Log for on 28th May 2013:
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01:18:13  <V453000> not perfect, the B 1-2 logic lines need cloning to the rest, but acceptable for now
01:19:35  <Mazur> Congrats.
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05:40:35  <V453000> that was unfortunately regarding only one station Mazur :P
05:41:58  <V453000> !info
05:41:58  <ProZone> V453000: #:1(Orange) Company Name: 'Don't Try This At Home'  Year Founded: 2050  Money: 140879690391  Loan: 0  Value: 140904630247  (T:3932, R:6, P:1, S:0) unprotected
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05:43:34  <V453000> !password
05:43:34  <ProZone> V453000: endear
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05:43:51  <ProZone> <V453000> moo
05:44:19  <ProZone> <Sylf> pretty insane
05:44:47  <ProZone> <V453000> it is in a kind of bad state atm
05:44:53  <ProZone> <V453000> need to fix some things
05:45:03  <ProZone> <V453000> but other than that, works like a charm
05:45:55  <ProZone> <V453000> 07 is my pet :)
05:46:01  <ProZone> <V453000> so far
05:48:03  <ProZone> <Sylf> I saw that, and I juts gave up on making anything worth while on here
05:49:21  <ProZone> <V453000> :d
05:49:21  <ProZone> <V453000> :(
05:50:39  <ProZone> <Sylf> anyway.   I'm gonna head out.
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05:50:45  <ProZone> <V453000> me too
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08:49:47  <V453000> !password for mayhem
08:49:47  <ProZone> V453000: forage
08:49:55  <V453000> foraging it is
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12:27:07  <Vinnie> !password
12:27:07  <ProZone> Vinnie: goners
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15:21:28  <ProZone> Maraxus: hairdo
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17:11:13  <V453000> !password
17:11:13  <ProZone> V453000: hairdo
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18:35:03  <BiG_MeEcH> hi
18:35:28  <BiG_MeEcH> what do I need to do to become pro? xD
18:35:40  <V453000> Meech people cannot become pro
18:35:51  <V453000> to be able to join pro zone however, you dont need to do anything
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18:35:54  <BiG_MeEcH> what do I need to do to join prozone? xD
18:36:02  <Vinnie_nl> !password
18:36:02  <ProZone> Vinnie_nl: pamper
18:36:03  <V453000> just join
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18:36:19  <BiG_MeEcH> !dl lin64
18:36:19  <ProZone> BiG_MeEcH:
18:36:28  <V453000> same revision as PS
18:36:58  <BiG_MeEcH> its been a while since ive been here at all
18:37:09  <ProZone> <V453000> irrelevant
18:37:11  <ProZone> <V453000> :P
18:37:21  <BiG_MeEcH> totally relevant
18:37:29  <BiG_MeEcH> I was on r25135 or something
18:37:45  <ProZone> <V453000> yes because you are retarded and behind
18:37:45  <ProZone> <V453000> :>
18:37:59  <ProZone> <Vinnie> that was smooth
18:39:09  <ProZone> <V453000> I think I should be gotten rid of all errors in this station
18:39:11  <BiG_MeEcH> !password
18:39:11  <ProZone> BiG_MeEcH: pamper
18:39:12  <ProZone> <V453000> it took forever :s
18:39:26  <ProZone> <Vinnie> looks complicated enough
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18:39:43  <ProZone> <V453000> the idea is fairly simple, execution requires many additions though
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18:40:37  <BiG_MeEcH> lol oh well
18:40:58  <V453000>
18:40:59  <V453000> here
18:41:03  <V453000> wait a sec for it to upload
18:43:04  <BiG_MeEcH> maybe ill try later to visit
18:43:13  <ProZone> <V453000> it will only get heavier
18:43:31  <ProZone> <V453000> I sold 1800 trains since yesterday, slowly increasing back
18:43:41  <ProZone> <Vinnie> when did you last empty the not full load detector?
18:43:51  <ProZone> <V453000> not long ago, still issues in my station
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18:44:09  <ProZone> <Vinnie> mind if i clear again?
18:44:21  <V453000> holy shit Thraxian alive :) hello
18:44:25  <ProZone> <V453000> nope
18:44:40  <BiG_MeEcH> lol wtf xD
18:45:32  <Thraxian> yes, I'm back from "makes some little members"....
18:45:38  <ProZone> <V453000> :P
18:45:49  <Thraxian> Son #3 was born on the 13th.
18:45:55  <ProZone> <V453000> :)
18:46:01  <ProZone> <V453000> congratulations
18:46:43  <Thraxian> Thanks.  So, besides Vinne's promotion (GRATS!), what's new?
18:46:55  <BiG_MeEcH> how long did it take to build over lincombe cross?
18:47:08  <V453000> enormous level of insanity and new contraptions, I have my own train set, many of the wiki pages updated
18:47:27  <V453000> not terribly long BiG_MeEcH
18:47:59  <V453000> the big two srnw stations are taking considerably longer
18:48:13  <BiG_MeEcH> looks insane
18:48:32  <V453000> NO
18:48:37  <V453000> how dare you say that
18:48:52  <BiG_MeEcH> YOu need to deliver the goods now :D
18:49:11  <ProZone> <V453000> ships would probably work there
18:49:13  <ProZone> <V453000> but nah :P
18:50:15  <BiG_MeEcH> how are you getting almost perfect train symmetry going into the oil drop?
18:50:19  <tycoondemon> !password
18:50:19  <ProZone> tycoondemon: tether
18:50:25  <ProZone> <Vinnie> that extra gate made it extra complex
18:50:26  <V453000> @@pzg13
18:50:30  <V453000> BiG_MeEcH: ^
18:50:40  <V453000> not valid you bitch
18:50:42  <V453000> @pzg13
18:50:43  <Webster> ProZone Game 13: Timed (aka insane) SML at #openttdcoop -
18:50:48  <BiG_MeEcH> xD
18:50:49  <V453000> iz explained there
18:50:59  <tycoondemon> !password
18:50:59  <ProZone> tycoondemon: ripest
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18:51:15  <BiG_MeEcH> its sick how they're filling in empty spots
18:51:16  <ProZone> <V453000> hi
18:51:22  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hello
18:51:23  <V453000> yes :)
18:51:49  <V453000> also absolutely extreme on cpu, as there are many of them choosing pathfinding at the same time
18:52:05  <BiG_MeEcH> im not lagging here in sp. :\
18:52:12  <V453000> thats normal
18:56:57  <ProZone> <V453000> I am on teamspeak now if you wanted to join btw
19:01:29  <ProZone> <Vinnie> 146908 crates
19:01:35  <ProZone> <V453000> I have a strange feeling that the "fixed" tm version with another gate is breaking too
19:01:45  <ProZone> <V453000> hm :) back to where we were already :)
19:02:01  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :O
19:02:12  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> challenge is what drives us
19:02:22  <ProZone> <V453000> not really :)
19:02:36  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> boredem?
19:02:39  <ProZone> <Vinnie> oke teamspeak
19:02:49  <ProZone> <V453000> just wanting to make the game work properly :)
19:02:56  <ProZone> <V453000> challenge of this concept has already been done :)
19:04:10  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> perfectin
19:04:13  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> perfection
19:04:21  <tycoondemon> !ts
19:05:12  <Mazur> Eli    cuts wood.
19:26:01  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> empty train escaped :S
19:26:19  <ProZone> <V453000> yeah very rarely but sometimes your station still releases one
19:29:38  <ProZone> <V453000> wtf are you doing :d
19:30:05  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> trying out madness
19:30:15  <BiG_MeEcH> I told him to do it :P
19:30:21  <ProZone> <V453000> uhm
19:30:52  <BiG_MeEcH> I know you'd be okay with it :D
19:31:19  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> i dont get how the depot of ass works
19:31:25  <ProZone> <V453000> tycoondemon: your station in the overflow is brutally broken
19:31:39  <ProZone> <V453000> I would actually even suggest deleting it, it would need total rebuild anyway
19:31:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> what is broken
19:31:43  <ProZone> <V453000> the logic isnt working at all
19:31:54  <ProZone> <V453000> 1. you need to have waiting bays for each platform
19:32:02  <ProZone> <V453000> 2. the release is uber weird, you should only need 1 not gate
19:32:28  <ProZone> <V453000> 3., again, the position is really wtf, why would you build it in the overflow (yet that isnt a massive problem, it just makes it terribly hard to read there)
19:33:03  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well the position is there because I like it there
19:33:19  <ProZone> <V453000> also the pf trap to the reverser is totally not necessary
19:33:22  <ProZone> <V453000> 2way signals handle that
19:33:24  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but the logic is failing because I am just not thinking right
19:33:34  <ProZone> <V453000> honestly, delete and try again
19:33:37  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> the reverser is more for looks :P
19:33:47  <ProZone> <V453000> fixing this will only make you confused more
19:34:01  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> :S
19:35:15  <ProZone> <V453000> you got some random gates everywhere which arent doing anything
19:35:37  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well I can explain my train of thought
19:35:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> excuse the pun
19:35:51  <ProZone> <V453000> you can try
19:36:07  <ProZone> <V453000> but I will probably still insist on it being moved elsewhere
19:36:18  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I need to understand
19:36:24  <ProZone> <V453000> and that is good
19:36:30  <ProZone> <V453000> but honestly I dont want to bother to fix stuff at that area
19:36:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> then dont
19:36:47  <ProZone> <V453000> if you try it again in anotehr area, I can help you
19:37:01  <ProZone> <V453000> something is releasing empty trains and we dont know what
19:37:05  <ProZone> <V453000> we need to discover that
19:37:07  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but do you understand what I was trying to do?
19:37:11  <ProZone> <V453000> honestly, no
19:38:19  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> how can you say then that what I do is wrong?
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19:38:38  <ProZone> <V453000> hello :)
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19:38:57  <Thraxian> "Your computer is too slow to keep up with the server"
19:39:29  <Thraxian> I'm running an AMD Phenom II X6 1045T 2.7Ghz processor with 8GB ram....what more can I do?
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19:39:41  <V453000> you can get a save at least if you want Thraxian  :)
19:39:46  <V453000> uploading
19:39:57  <V453000> there is 3000 trains now
19:40:05  <V453000> this game is absolute extreme on cpu requirements
19:40:28  <ProZone> <Vinnie> can i explain tycoondemon?
19:40:28  <Thraxian> I just want to peek at it, see what's going on.  It's been a while, and I'm curious about new constructions....
19:40:47  <V453000> hard to do, can pause, but that is all
19:40:52  <V453000> or you can get teh save :P
19:41:10  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> explain what vinnie?
19:41:14  <Thraxian> I don't really care much for the water canal rail lines on the PS - is that the new standard, or something that's just going in this game?
19:41:19  <ProZone> <Vinnie> about the overflow?
19:41:43  <V453000> the canal rails are one of the newer wtf of my train set :) it is rather exceptional to be used
19:42:03  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes vinnie
19:42:13  <ProZone> <V453000> anyway, no empty trains now
19:42:19  <ProZone> <V453000> so I think we have a clear answer
19:42:34  <Thraxian> I'm just used to the old signals and's definitely an adjustment to get used to the new signal format.
19:42:54  <ProZone> <Vinnie> oke you are detecting trains at signal blocks !#1 to !#4
19:43:01  <V453000> it for sure is and admittedly the signals arent as good as they could be, so something for future versions :)
19:43:10  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I just declared that I let escape an empty train by accident
19:43:28  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> 21:29
19:43:46  <ProZone> <Vinnie> you see those four signalblocks?
19:43:52  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes
19:43:54  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> vinnie
19:44:12  <ProZone> <Vinnie> 1 2 and 3 can be triggered by one train at the same time
19:44:28  <ProZone> <Vinnie> so basicly you have a 2 train waiting bay
19:45:07  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> hmmm
19:45:21  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so only the end and the start should be detected?
19:45:21  <ProZone> <Vinnie> to prevent this we use a waiting bay infront of each platform and not a mainline infront
19:45:28  <ProZone> <Vinnie> like the rest of your station does
19:46:21  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ok
19:47:10  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so a waiting bay per platform is the only way
19:47:16  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> ?
19:47:18  <ProZone> <Vinnie> wo trains wait you release dummies for 4 trains
19:47:33  <ProZone> <Vinnie> it is the safest way, least complicated
19:47:43  <ProZone> <Vinnie> *two
19:48:33  <ProZone> <Vinnie> then your presignal stays open for time X until the dummies have unloaded
19:48:53  <ProZone> <Vinnie> you don't know how many trains go trough
19:49:17  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes, that is why there is a second or at the entrance
19:49:31  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so when there are trains loading , dont enter
19:49:35  <Thraxian> I have a headache now.  I'll be back when things get a bit less insane.
19:49:53  <V453000> unlikely :P but there is probably going to be a new PS game tonight
19:50:09  <V453000> browse the archives for a bit :)
19:50:17  <ProZone> <Vinnie> your second OR gate does nothing
19:50:24  <ProZone> <Vinnie> it triggers when a train exit station !here
19:50:45  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> or when there is a train in the platform
19:50:59  <ProZone> <Vinnie> only if all 4 are full
19:51:09  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> right
19:51:17  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is not good
19:51:20  <ProZone> <Vinnie> but you see the station itself
19:51:52  <ProZone> <Vinnie> it is dummyoa, the same station that has all your dummies loading 24/7
19:52:02  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes
19:52:04  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> this I know
19:52:07  <ProZone> <Vinnie> so they load first, then your train loads
19:52:21  <ProZone> <Vinnie> but it only loads when there is oil
19:52:29  <ProZone> <Vinnie> otherwise they imideatly leave
19:52:33  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but if the dummy trains do there work in propper order, there should always be enough
19:52:35  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> oil
19:54:11  <ProZone> <V453000> dummies load the cargo before the real trains can get into the station and load it
19:54:15  <ProZone> <V453000> ^
19:55:11  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so where is the problem that dummy and load station are the same?
19:55:25  <ProZone> <Vinnie> that would be the short version
19:56:05  <ProZone> <V453000> because dummy from the large stations STEALS the cargo when the dummies at the small station unload it
19:56:07  <ProZone> <Vinnie> but what do you want it to do?
19:56:09  <ProZone> <V453000> meaning the pickup trains have nothing to pickup
19:57:15  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> right
19:58:03  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> first I thought: I want to remove the excess from the loading station
19:58:21  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> then I thought, that would be too complicated
19:58:32  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> because I cannot mesure if there is an excess in the loading station
19:58:54  <ProZone> <Vinnie> you mean the 2 bilion oil in loadingoa?
19:58:54  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so then I thought, I will just try to make a station with a not gate and waiting bay
19:58:56  <ProZone> <V453000> which is why you SEPARATE the stations as vinnie said
19:59:31  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but the extra problem is that I confused dummy with loading
19:59:49  <ProZone> <Vinnie> that would not fix the problem
20:00:03  <ProZone> <V453000> it is a separate station, you need to build it as one
20:00:03  <ProZone> <V453000> period
20:00:05  <ProZone> <Vinnie> then the logic is to complicated to work flawless
20:02:25  <ProZone> <Vinnie> basicly what you want is the sequential entry V1 by mfb
20:02:47  <ProZone> <Vinnie> only as the overflow for your loadingoa load
20:03:09  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> so there ar three problems:
20:03:23  <ProZone> <Vinnie> but that will jam eventually, so your overflow needs an overflow back to your first station
20:03:49  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> yes vinnie, I wanted to try V1
20:04:07  <ProZone> <V453000> why is it called capital V anyway
20:04:09  <ProZone> <V453000> .
20:04:20  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> because we like you nick V
20:04:27  <ProZone> <V453000> not an option
20:04:57  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but to wind up there are three misthoughts of min:
20:05:42  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> 1: full load "steals" from load if available, even thought I would think there wass an excess
20:05:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> 2: I confused dummy with loading station
20:06:14  <ProZone> <Vinnie> both right
20:07:01  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> 3: v1 is not possible if there is stealing (dummyoa) or no oil  industry supply (loadingoa)
20:07:15  <ProZone> <Vinnie> basicly you get the extra load because your waiting bays don't fill up fast enough
20:08:42  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and why did I try it? to try out train logic and stuff, but my assumptions where wrong
20:09:54  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> the reversers are only there for me to understand pbs
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20:10:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> thank you vinnie, for having the patience for an ill equiped mind
20:10:55  <ProZone> <Vinnie> so what are you going to do?
20:11:58  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well, I am out of time, so cutting off the track, wich I did, so no harm is done to ML network
20:12:29  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> otherwise I'd say destroy, and rebuild, because I understand a lot more now
20:12:55  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> but I still believe there are some random factor now and then in srnw
20:13:09  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> believe is rather; have a feeling
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20:15:41  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> I like the station designs I see here
20:15:51  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> the make me think in new ways, wich is nice
20:15:54  <ProZone> <V453000> against expectation we got quite creative
20:16:12  <ProZone> <V453000> I didnt think we would get anywhere too much further than we knew before
20:16:16  <ProZone> <V453000> but most of the stations are actually unique
20:16:26  <ProZone> <V453000> in some way
20:16:44  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> that is the best about coop imho
20:17:06  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> everybody has some diffent aspect, wich not every other person could have thought about
20:17:14  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> and then you learn something new
20:19:08  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> well gtg
20:19:16  <ProZone> <tycoondemon> nn, and gg, and tnx
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20:19:50  <ProZone> <Vinnie> cya
20:29:25  <Vinnie_nl>
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