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Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 14th June 2010:
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08:01:31  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
08:01:33  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
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08:30:50  <Stablean> <tufekci> hi
08:30:52  <Stablean> <V453000> hello :)
08:30:52  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
08:31:06  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> hi
08:31:10  <Stablean> <Henri> am i onlyone for who the game is lagging?
08:31:16  <Stablean> <V453000> no
08:31:18  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> nope
08:31:24  <Stablean> <V453000> I have no idea why
08:31:47  <Stablean> <V453000> but it isnt that bad :)
08:31:59  <Stablean> <Henri> just like unused
08:32:10  <Stablean> <Henri> cant be cause my computer
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08:34:03  <Stablean> <Henri> .. hard lag spikes
08:34:09  <Stablean> <Henri> starts getting annoying
08:34:31  <Stablean> <V453000> I cant do shit about it if you want to hear that :)
08:34:36  <Stablean> <Henri> i know
08:34:58  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> Don't play on your iPhone :)
08:35:04  <Stablean> <Henri> lol:D?
08:35:14  <Stablean> <Henri> im playing on desktop computer
08:35:31  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> I bet you run Vista
08:35:39  <Stablean> <Henri> u lose:)
08:35:42  <Stablean> <Henri> windows 7
08:36:37  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> I've previously had problems with the amount of packages taking down my router
08:36:44  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> don't know if this can be related
08:37:02  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> It could be that it cannot keep up to speed
08:37:43  <Ammler> !screen
08:37:46  <Ammler> !date
08:37:46  <Stablean> *** Ammler made screenshot at 0002FD87: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/0002FD87.png
08:37:46  <Stablean> Ammler: 18 May 1967
08:37:47  <Ammler> !url
08:37:47  <Stablean> Ammler: www.openttdcoop.org/servers/stable
08:38:12  <V453000> !anything borked?
08:38:34  <Ammler> how come?
08:38:37  <V453000> im asking :)
08:38:46  <V453000> the server lags quite a bit
08:38:57  <Ammler> !server_status
08:38:57  <Stablean> Ammler:  10:38:57 up 14:23,  0 users,  load average: 1.14, 0.99, 0.91
08:38:58  <Stablean> Ammler: Cpu(s): 14.1%us,  4.6%sy,  0.8%ni, 78.1%id,  2.2%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.1%si,  0.0%st
08:38:58  <Stablean> Ammler:  8072 openttd   25  10 40892  18m 4416 R    4  0.9   1:13.72 ./stable -c openttd
08:39:15  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> And I haven't even starte building ships yet
08:39:30  <Ammler> I don't think, the server has issues
08:39:31  <Stablean> <V453000> there is a limit of 30 btw
08:39:52  <Stablean> <V453000> ok Ammler :)
08:40:14  <Ammler> and there aren't that many vehicels in the game
08:40:22  <Stablean> <V453000> indeed
08:40:24  <Ammler> well, if it laggs for everyone
08:40:46  <Ammler> we might need to look on the server
08:40:55  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> I haven't experienced any lag
08:41:01  <Stablean> <V453000> Im having just very minor spikes, nothing serious
08:42:05  <Ammler> on ps, we run games with use 10 times the cpu than here
08:42:15  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
08:42:21  <Stablean> <V453000> only 10? :P
08:42:33  <Ammler> 4% is it now
08:42:39  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
08:42:47  <Ammler> and 50% max should it be :-P
08:50:04  <Stablean> <V453000> btw how do you like this trainset? :)
08:50:15  <Stablean> <Henri> very nice
08:50:17  <Stablean> <V453000> I see tkjacobsen enjoys steamers as long as he can :P
08:51:12  <Stablean> <V453000> I was just asking because I would like to use this one a bit more often than others
08:51:16  <Stablean> <V453000> it is imo the best one :)
08:51:22  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> it feels more realistic
08:52:44  <Stablean> <V453000> well the best point is that this trainset is awesome for both pasengers and cargo, so on such servers as this one, everyone can choose
08:54:33  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> I'm not really sure what the big difference is, though
08:55:03  <Stablean> <V453000> well there is a nice variety of trains
08:55:15  <Stablean> <V453000> or you mean difference between passenger service and cargo?
08:55:18  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> yes, but I tend to choose one and stick with that
08:55:30  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> in this case, one for freight and one for passengers
08:56:05  <Stablean> <V453000> sure, mostly you choose one you like ... but they keep upgrading :) and in the end, you have a very nice choice, not only from 1 considerable
08:57:35  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> is the set made so that different trains are good for straight versus hilled railways
08:57:48  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah, that too
08:57:56  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> eg high velocity and low power and vice versa
08:57:58  <Stablean> <V453000> yea
08:58:00  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> ok, i see
08:58:15  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> only problem is the barrier of entry for new players
08:58:39  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> but it adds an extra dimension, on the other hand
08:58:39  <Stablean> <V453000> absolutely ... here you get the GEC class, which is a weak engine with 225 speed, and on the other hand you have the almighty AL-10 which has just awesome acceleration and 160 speed
08:58:42  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
08:59:39  <Stablean> <V453000> and a kinda jewel of this game I consider the EuroStar ... a slightly modified AsiaStar from the original trainset in how it looks, but it goes 289kmh and they have ~16000 power :)
08:59:45  <Stablean> <V453000> really like that one
09:00:15  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> those you are talking about are not around yet?
09:00:21  <Stablean> <V453000> 1990s
09:00:23  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> otherwise I'm not seeing them
09:00:25  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> ok
09:06:23  <Stablean> <V453000> Henri: you got unelectrified tracks there
09:06:33  <Stablean> <Henri> ops
09:06:35  <Stablean> <Henri> thsnksd
09:06:44  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
09:17:39  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> leaving
09:17:41  <Stablean> <tkjacobsen> bye
09:17:43  <Stablean> <Henri> bye
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09:40:25  <Stablean> <Henri> woot, llrr mainline done
09:41:41  <Stablean> <V453000> pawnage :)
09:48:43  <Stablean> <Henri> i got question
09:48:49  <Stablean> <V453000> ask away :)
09:48:59  <Stablean> <Henri> when i autoreplace livestoct van to tta tanker wagon
09:49:10  <Stablean> <Henri> does is automatically refit to livestoc?
09:49:12  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
09:49:16  <Stablean> <Henri> ok, thanks
09:49:22  <Stablean> <V453000> and dont forget to apply automatic wagon remove ;)
09:49:33  <Stablean> <Henri> yep:P i learnt from last time
09:50:01  <Stablean> <V453000> one more note: if you have any wagon or train that is refit to any kind of cargo and you are refitting it to a new wagon, if the new wagon isnt able to carry that cargo, it will not refit
09:50:31  <Stablean> <Henri> ok, good
09:50:55  <Stablean> <V453000> useful to know sometimes because you can for example have from the start of thegame some wagons that carry anything - example, iron ore and coal ... and later on you get specialized wagons ... all you have to do is just autoreplace ones first, the other later
09:51:17  <Stablean> <Henri> yep
09:51:17  <Stablean> <V453000> it is best to have trains in groups and set them these autoreplaces manually though
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10:15:35  <V453000> I see this bug isnt fixed yet
10:15:36  <V453000> -.-
10:15:52  <Stablean> <Henri> or busted going other company:D?
10:16:02  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
10:16:05  <Stablean> <V453000> no
10:16:12  <Stablean> <V453000> it occurs when you change colours
10:16:26  <Stablean> <Henri> oh, ok
10:17:05  <Stablean> <V453000> hehe, these towns are getting large
10:17:12  <Stablean> <Henri> yep
10:21:33  <Stablean> <V453000> wtf ... I have vehicles for testing even though I dont get the offer to test them
10:21:44  <Stablean> <V453000> I always see that there is a new vehicle but I already have it
10:22:18  <Stablean> <Henri> :D
10:30:02  <Stablean> <V453000> holy F :D
10:30:13  <Stablean> <V453000> 4500 passengers in a Sbahn station
10:30:15  <Stablean> <V453000> damn
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10:32:42  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
10:32:45  <Stablean> <learningottd> heya
10:36:11  <Stablean> <V453000> damn passengers :d
10:36:19  <Stablean> <Henri> cant handle them?
10:36:19  <Stablean> <V453000> why dont they stay at home and travel
10:36:26  <Stablean> <V453000> its fine so far :)
10:36:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> -_-
10:36:30  <Stablean> <Henri> :D
10:36:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> youve grown the cities alot
10:36:59  <Stablean> <learningottd> maybe you should get more trains :p
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10:37:11  <Stablean> <V453000> I will need some better infrastructure first :p
10:37:31  <Stablean> <learningottd> me thinks your exit f
10:37:44  <Stablean> <learningottd> exit at tardingbury isnt very balanced ;)
10:38:37  <Stablean> <learningottd> yup its a big line now henri
10:38:43  <Stablean> <Henri> :P
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10:41:12  <Stablean> <Halo444> hello
10:41:14  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
10:41:16  <Stablean> <Henri> hui
10:41:18  <Stablean> <Henri> hi*
10:41:20  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> hi
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10:41:56  <Stablean> <Halo444> v4. do you ever sleep? :D
10:42:02  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
10:42:36  <planetmaker> probably between 2:42 and 2:58 and 3:14 and 3:29 ;-)
10:42:50  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah
10:42:54  <Stablean> <V453000> today I overslept
10:42:58  <Stablean> <V453000> and added up to 3:33
10:42:59  <Stablean> <Halo444> ^__^
10:43:19  <planetmaker> how dare you?
10:43:31  <Stablean> <V453000> too lazy to wake up, you know
10:43:57  <Stablean> <Halo444> i know
10:44:29  <planetmaker> understandable
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10:48:41  <Ammler> V453000: you own us those 4 minutes, when will you get those us back?
10:49:02  <V453000> hmm
10:49:11  <V453000> I think I will write another blog? :P
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10:49:21  <Ammler> :-F
10:49:28  <V453000> nah :) not now
10:49:47  <Ammler> in 4 minustes, you can write 2 blogs
10:49:59  <Stablean> <V453000> I can write 2 blogs in 4 days
10:50:08  <Ammler> :-)
10:50:31  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> V4 , more buses = more population growth?
10:50:39  <Stablean> <V453000> not exactly
10:50:43  <Stablean> <V453000> but it could be so
10:50:43  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> then?
10:50:46  <planetmaker> V453000, you should jump with SmatZ into the car on Saturday morning :-)
10:51:20  <Stablean> <V453000> you just need some busses to serve the city to give it the bus bonus growth, then it doesnt matter, just take as much as you can
10:51:24  <Stablean> <V453000> this saturday already?
10:51:30  <planetmaker> yup
10:51:33  <V453000> ooh
10:51:38  <Stablean> <Halo444> monday
10:51:54  <Stablean> <V453000> I will see
10:51:56  <planetmaker> nope, then it's, too late, Halo444
10:52:04  <planetmaker> ;-)
10:52:14  <Stablean> <V453000> but im not sure If I have anything to do there among the devs :P
10:52:20  <Stablean> <V453000> my opengfx signals are kinda stuck atm :D
10:52:33  <planetmaker> so what? It's just a nice get-together
10:52:45  <Stablean> <V453000> devs are dangerous
10:52:47  <Stablean> <V453000> and they bite
10:52:48  <Ammler> it isn't a dev meeting
10:52:50  <planetmaker> nor are Eddi, Zuu and __ln__ devs nor myself
10:52:57  <planetmaker> it's a general OpenTTD party
10:52:59  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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10:53:03  <Stablean> <V453000> ook
10:53:10  <Ammler> I guess, there will be more beer then coding :-P
10:53:17  <Stablean> <V453000> awesome :d
10:53:18  <planetmaker> :-D
10:53:21  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
10:53:29  <planetmaker> I plan to go buy beer today :-)
10:53:38  <Ammler> a barrel :-P
10:53:50  <PeterT> SmatZ will be in here in a second :-D
10:53:55  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
10:54:21  <planetmaker> I thought so... but barrels are expensive and hard to recycle and I'd need to rent a thing to get the beer from it.
10:54:37  <planetmaker> recycle in terms of "continue to drink it the other day"
10:54:42  <SmatZ> beer beer beer
10:54:47  <Stablean> <V453000> :d
10:54:49  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
10:54:51  <PeterT> :D
10:54:53  <planetmaker> :-D
10:55:01  <Ammler> hmm, transporting from CH to you is also bad idea... :-P
10:55:16  <planetmaker> :-)
10:55:46  <planetmaker> though you Czech guys could bring some of your beer, if you feel like ;-)
10:55:55  <SmatZ> sure :)
10:55:59  <Stablean> <V453000> as if I was waiting for that sentence :D
10:56:03  <SmatZ> better beer than vodka...
10:56:09  <SmatZ> I don't want to get dead-drunk :-p
10:56:11  <Stablean> <V453000> indeed
10:56:11  <planetmaker> :-)
10:56:30  <Ammler> I could bring the booze, I have something better than vodka :-P
10:56:58  <SmatZ> :-)
10:57:06  <Ammler> something for the later evening to get better to sleep ;-)
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10:57:25  <planetmaker> Ammler, whatever :-)
10:57:35  <planetmaker> I'll be happy about any local specialities.
10:57:46  <planetmaker> Bringing Heineken would not really do it. I could get that here, too
10:57:48  <planetmaker> Easier
10:58:13  <Stablean> <V453000> I think it would be easier to search for places where heineken is unavailable than where it actually isnt :D
10:58:14  <planetmaker> I like things which I don't get here :-)
10:58:23  <planetmaker> V453000, indeed ;-)
11:00:48  <Stablean> <V453000> there should be also orders for cities
11:00:54  <Stablean> <V453000> grow here, grow there
11:01:09  <Stablean> <V453000> if load percentage <10% then dont grow
11:01:11  <Stablean> <V453000> etc :d
11:12:02  <Stablean> <V453000> I hate trains
11:12:08  <Stablean> <V453000> lets get some lunch
11:12:10  <Stablean> <V453000> later ;)
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11:56:57  <Stablean> <Henri> v!
11:57:36  <Stablean> <Henri> V453000: your rails are locked to dead
11:58:02  <Stablean> <Henri> im gonna go afk too, but hope u notice when coming back
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12:08:31  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
12:08:47  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> I only have 5 aircrafts and I can't buy anymore , why is that?
12:08:53  <Stablean> <V453000> limit
12:08:56  <Stablean> <V453000> you cant buy more
12:08:58  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> why? O.O
12:09:00  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> :|
12:09:03  <Stablean> <V453000> why yes
12:09:05  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> not funny! T_T
12:09:07  <Stablean> <V453000> planes are boring
12:09:18  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> what would you like me to do xD ya have everything
12:09:30  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
12:09:40  <Stablean> <V453000> im not competing with anyone :)
12:09:50  <Stablean> <V453000> aiplanes are just dumb. face it :)
12:09:52  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> still... xD you're too good to be matched
12:12:35  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> there are no valuables on this map xD
12:12:46  <Stablean> <V453000> valuables are from banks
12:12:58  <Stablean> <V453000> but nobody transports them because banks cant increase production
12:13:05  <Stablean> <V453000> or ... the production never gets high
12:13:07  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> oh I see
12:14:09  <planetmaker> !info
12:14:09  <Stablean> planetmaker: www.openttdcoop.org/servers/stable
12:14:17  <planetmaker> !rcon companies
12:14:17  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:1(Dark Blue) Company Name: 'V453000 Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 65897844  Loan: 0  Value: 74784809  (T:166, R:204, P:0, S:0) protected
12:14:17  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:2(Pink) Company Name: 'tufekci Transport'  Year Founded: 1967  Money: 107008  Loan: 140000  Value: 1  (T:2, R:0, P:1, S:0) unprotected
12:14:17  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:3(Orange) Company Name: 'WoodAndLove'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 1780633  Loan: 0  Value: 3067606  (T:0, R:22, P:5, S:0) protected
12:14:17  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:4(Green) Company Name: 'Halo444 Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 520790  Loan: 0  Value: 1245321  (T:3, R:31, P:2, S:0) protected
12:14:17  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:5(Blue) Company Name: 'tkjacobsen Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 37705975  Loan: 0  Value: 38198586  (T:64, R:37, P:0, S:0) protected
12:14:19  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have 3 more messages
12:14:22  <planetmaker> !more
12:14:22  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:6(Light Blue) Company Name: 'learningottd Transport'  Year Founded: 1950  Money: 40098657  Loan: 0  Value: 43786970  (T:157, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
12:14:22  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:7(Mauve) Company Name: 'Razor Transport'  Year Founded: 1952  Money: 5986412  Loan: 210000  Value: 5882285  (T:16, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
12:14:22  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:8(Red) Company Name: 'Mozilla Transport'  Year Founded: 1974  Money: 45781  Loan: 500000  Value: 1  (T:2, R:10, P:0, S:0) protected
12:17:35  <Ammler> !screen
12:17:37  <Stablean> *** Ammler made screenshot at 00034E30: http://ps.openttdcoop.org/stable/webcam/00034E30.png
12:20:49  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> is there a way to tell your bus to go through all the stations from a town without clicking each one of them?
12:21:04  <Stablean> <V453000> no
12:21:14  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> God
12:21:23  <Stablean> <V453000> is it really that much effort ? :)
12:21:30  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> when there are 20+ ? xD
12:21:40  <Stablean> <V453000> still ok
12:21:40  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> and +10 busses?
12:22:02  <Stablean> <V453000> you can share orders of busses
12:22:10  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> oh
12:22:10  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> how?
12:22:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ctrl+clone clone them
12:22:32  <Stablean> <Nagasaky> oh
12:24:35  <planetmaker> or ctrl+go-to orders
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12:38:42  <Stablean> <V453000> hi romazoon
12:38:49  <Stablean> <romazoon> hi all
12:38:59  <Stablean> <V453000> xi is offline? :)
12:39:21  <Stablean> <romazoon> server went off just a few minuts ago i don t know why
12:39:24  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh
12:39:42  <Stablean> <V453000> was just wondering :)
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12:42:59  <Stablean> <V453000> duh :)
12:43:53  <Stablean> <romazoon> hey v45300, nice hub station ! especially the 20k people waiting there ! XD
12:44:19  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm, thanks ... that is just remaining there because the western cities are at the moment stronger
12:44:25  <Stablean> <V453000> and there was a jam in the east :)
12:44:27  <Stablean> <V453000> it will be better
12:45:32  <Stablean> <romazoon> well good luck with it then :)
12:48:23  <Stablean> <romazoon> bb
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12:48:27  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
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13:37:11  <Stablean> <V453000> just ask lol :)
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13:37:31  <Stablean> <V453000> hm, that solves it too
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13:44:38  <Stablean> <Joshua> V453000?
13:45:04  <Stablean> <V453000> yea?
13:45:19  <Stablean> <Joshua> nothing...you've already solved the problem ;)
13:45:47  <Stablean> <V453000> wtf :)
13:45:58  <Stablean> <V453000> and why the hell is that retarded train there
13:46:20  <Stablean> <Joshua> just to do something ;);)
13:47:18  <Stablean> <V453000> ...
13:47:25  <Stablean> <Joshua> ahah XDXD
13:47:29  <Stablean> <V453000> omg
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13:48:09  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 9
13:48:09  <Stablean> V453000: ERROR: Cannot remove company: a client is connected to that company.
13:48:09  <Stablean> V453000: - Remove an idle company from the game. Usage: 'reset_company <company-id>'
13:48:09  <Stablean> V453000: - For company-id's, see the list of companies from the dropdown menu. Company 1 is 1, etc.
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13:48:37  <Stablean> <Joshua> just a little bug
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13:59:08  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 9
13:59:08  <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted.
13:59:25  <Ammler> !rcon list_settings
13:59:26  <Stablean> Ammler: All settings with their current value:
13:59:26  <Stablean> Ammler: difficulty.max_no_competitors = 0
13:59:26  <Stablean> Ammler: difficulty.number_towns = 1
13:59:26  <Stablean> Ammler: difficulty.number_industries = 3
13:59:26  <Stablean> Ammler: difficulty.max_loan = 500000
13:59:27  <Stablean> Ammler: you have 254 more messages
13:59:31  <Ammler> !rcon list_settings autoclean
13:59:31  <Stablean> Ammler: All settings with their current value:
13:59:31  <Stablean> Ammler: network.autoclean_companies = on
13:59:32  <Stablean> Ammler: network.autoclean_unprotected = 0
13:59:32  <Stablean> Ammler: network.autoclean_protected = 0
13:59:32  <Stablean> Ammler: network.autoclean_novehicles = 1
13:59:33  <Stablean> Ammler: you have one more message
13:59:45  <Ammler> !rcon set autoclean_unprotected 1
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14:24:29  <Stablean> <Player> Hello !
14:24:32  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
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15:37:04  <Stablean> <V453000> čau
15:37:22  <Stablean> <janosik> cau
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15:42:28  <Stablean> <Henri> wow
15:42:30  <Stablean> <Henri> eurostar
15:42:40  <Stablean> <V453000> you bitch!
15:42:43  <Stablean> <Henri> :D
15:42:54  <Stablean> <Henri> yoo bad i cant use it for freight
15:42:58  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
15:43:01  <Stablean> <Henri> too*
15:43:20  <Stablean> <Henri> could u say when the last train of this set comes?
15:43:26  <Stablean> <V453000> late
15:43:28  <Stablean> <Henri> and is there maglev and monorail?
15:43:34  <Stablean> <V453000> there is a maglev too
15:43:38  <Stablean> <V453000> but only pax and goods
15:43:44  <Stablean> <Henri> okay
15:43:54  <Stablean> <V453000> and how has pax?
15:43:56  <Stablean> <V453000> :P
15:43:56  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
15:44:10  <Stablean> <Henri> what u mean=?
15:44:24  <Stablean> <V453000> nothing :)
15:44:28  <Stablean> <Henri> ok
15:45:10  <Stablean> <V453000> I was just trying annoy you that I will have maglevs and you wont ;)
15:45:21  <Stablean> <Henri> okay:P
15:46:23  <Stablean> <V453000> but the fastest cargo locomotives are available already
15:46:41  <Stablean> <V453000> in ~2016-18 comes the most powerful one
15:46:55  <Stablean> <Henri> okay
15:46:57  <Stablean> <V453000> 2011-13 pax maglev
15:47:03  <Stablean> <V453000> after 2020 goods
15:47:15  <Stablean> <V453000> and then it is some local locomotives and weird things
15:49:15  <Stablean> <Henri> I  go shower nor
15:49:17  <Stablean> <Henri> now
15:49:19  <Stablean> <Henri> afk again
15:49:19  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
15:58:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ahaha
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17:23:00  <Stablean> <V453000> ello again
17:23:02  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
17:23:09  <Stablean> <V453000> I got em too Henri :P
17:23:11  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
17:23:26  <Stablean> <Henri> u got what too?
17:23:32  <Stablean> <V453000> eurostars
17:23:35  <Stablean> <Henri> :)
17:24:06  <Stablean> <V453000> btw you can use them for goods
17:24:12  <Stablean> <V453000> but only 88 capacity for TL3
17:24:22  <Stablean> <Henri> :/
17:24:29  <Stablean> <Henri> it would be usless
17:24:38  <Stablean> <Henri> speed will be still the same due other trains on ml
17:24:48  <Stablean> <V453000> indeed
17:24:54  <Stablean> <V453000> youd have to use a separate line
17:25:22  <Stablean> <Henri> naw, ill let them be
17:25:28  <Stablean> <V453000> ye
17:27:18  <Stablean> <Henri> production is getting nice
17:27:31  <Stablean> <Henri> cnham farm -  477 livestock
17:27:37  <Stablean> <Henri> cunham*
17:27:39  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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19:38:16  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
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19:55:51  <V453000> !date
19:55:52  <Stablean> V453000: 24 Jan 2006
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20:04:47  <Stablean> <Henri> aww, bad crash
20:05:15  <Stablean> <Stefan> tsja
20:05:25  <Stablean> <Henri> tsja?
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20:56:11  <Stablean> <Henri> dang
20:58:21  <Stablean> <Henri> lol
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21:02:31  <Stablean> <Halo444> hello
21:02:33  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
21:02:43  <Stablean> <Stefan> hi
21:05:53  <V453000> !date
21:05:53  <Stablean> V453000:  2 May 2010
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21:19:18  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
21:19:20  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
21:19:35  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh maglev
21:19:37  <Stablean> <V453000> wee
21:19:45  <Stablean> <Henri> yep
21:20:09  <Stablean> <Henri> and i have the cool thing replacing all trains manually:)
21:20:26  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
21:20:57  <Stablean> <Henri> um? cant replace trains and tracks together?
21:20:59  <Stablean> <Henri> or can?
21:21:17  <Stablean> <V453000> you haveto depot them first
21:22:16  <Stablean> <V453000> but there is a grf with ultimately compatible tracks afaik
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21:23:05  <Stablean> <Henri> afaik?
21:23:11  <Stablean> <V453000> as far as I know
21:23:22  <Stablean> <Henri> what does it mean?
21:24:02  <Stablean> <V453000> that I think it is so
21:24:15  <Stablean> <Henri> oh
21:24:25  <Stablean> <Henri> by bad, no native english
21:24:51  <Stablean> <Henri> but which grf it is?
21:25:07  <Stablean> <V453000> I have it saved somewhere
21:25:09  <Stablean> <V453000> dont know
21:25:13  <Stablean> <V453000> never used it
21:25:29  <Stablean> <Henri> so still need to replace manually this game
21:25:31  <Stablean> <Henri> but thanks :)
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21:31:30  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh hi :)
21:31:34  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> hi hi
21:31:53  <Stablean> <V453000> havent seen you in a while :)
21:32:03  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> been staying busy, unfortunately
21:32:13  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
21:32:24  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> going ICE, huh?
21:32:33  <Stablean> <V453000> ye
21:32:43  <Stablean> <V453000> wanna join?
21:32:59  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> what happened to your profits this year?
21:33:03  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> they've plummeted
21:33:09  <Stablean> <V453000> im turning them to maglev
21:33:11  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> ah
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21:36:28  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> do you need me to join?  what's next?
21:36:51  <Stablean> <V453000> im on the PS, just hopped in ... but im going to see how it can cope with the current pax inflow
21:37:13  <Stablean> <V453000> but since even the Sbahns can get a lot of improvement, I think no new cities needed
21:37:15  <Stablean> <Thraxian|Work> haven't been on PS in a while either - things exciting over there?
21:37:26  <Stablean> <V453000> there is a CL10 ICE pax game
21:37:37  <Stablean> <V453000> kinda fun :)
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21:40:05  <Stablean> <Henri> dang.
21:55:42  <Stablean> <V453000> shit I love this trainset
21:55:44  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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21:58:15  <Stablean> <Henri> quick question
21:58:19  <Stablean> <Henri> whats the train limit?
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22:04:07  <Stablean> <V453000> 1000
22:04:14  <Stablean> <Henri> thanks
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22:04:22  <Stablean> <V453000> you can see that in the advanced options - vehicles
22:04:48  <Stablean> <Henri> oh
22:04:54  <Stablean> <Henri> now i know
22:07:19  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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22:15:46  <Stablean> <Henri> good night everyone
22:15:49  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
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22:24:59  <V453000> hi
22:25:01  <V453000> :)
22:25:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> yohoo
22:25:05  <V453000> once again, Henri just left
22:25:12  <Stablean> <learningottd> you helped a bit to build?
22:25:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> aaah k :(
22:25:15  <V453000> 5 minutes before you came
22:25:18  <V453000> no I didnt
22:25:30  <Stablean> <learningottd> oh ok. he's gotten better :)
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22:28:28  <V453000> :)
22:28:31  <V453000> of course
22:28:42  <V453000> you are getting better with every game
22:28:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> factory stations looks nice
22:28:50  <V453000> everybody is
22:29:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah i guess :) maybe someday we're ready for the big league
22:29:23  <V453000> pretty soon tbh
22:29:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> ^^
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22:30:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> think i might have to show him the ottdcoop hierarchy
22:30:26  <Stablean> <learningottd> but otherwise its nice
22:30:32  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
22:30:39  <Stablean> <V453000> the steamers are kinda dissapointing :)
22:30:49  <Stablean> <learningottd> steamers?
22:30:55  <Stablean> <V453000> steam locomotives
22:31:17  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm what? :p
22:31:40  <V453000> @dict steamer
22:31:41  <Webster> V453000: wn: steamer n 1: a clam that is usually steamed in the shell [syn: {soft-shell clam}, {steamer clam}, {long-neck clam}] 2: a cooking utensil that can be used to cook food by steaming it 3: a ship powered by one or more steam engines [syn: {steamship}] 4: an edible clam with thin oval-shaped shell found in coastal regions of the United States and Europe [syn: {soft-shell clam}, (1 more message)
22:31:48  <V453000> duh
22:31:51  <V453000> @dict steam
22:31:52  <Webster> V453000: wn: steam n : water at boiling temperature diffused in the atmosphere v 1: travel by means of steam power; "The ship steamed off into the Pacific" 2: emit steam; "The rain forest was literally steaming" 3: rise as vapor 4: get very angry; "her indifference to his amorous advances really steamed the young man" 5: clean by means of steaming; "steam-clean the upholstered sofa" (1 more message)
22:32:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> i know the concept of a steam train ^^
22:32:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> but is there any here?
22:32:33  <Stablean> <V453000> oh lol tha is tkjacobsen
22:32:35  <Stablean> <V453000> blue :)
22:32:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> aaah :)
22:32:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah i also thought for a sec that track belonged to us
22:32:57  <Stablean> <V453000> I just somehow thought that is yours too
22:33:00  <Stablean> <learningottd> almost same color
22:33:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm just one question. those overflows at factory drop works?
22:34:12  <Stablean> <V453000> no :)
22:34:26  <Stablean> <learningottd> havent really figured that one out yet
22:34:41  <Stablean> <V453000> have you read my blog article on overflows?
22:34:43  <Stablean> <learningottd> you need to have a loop with depots to make overflow work?
22:34:49  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah somewhat
22:34:53  <Stablean> <V453000> ook
22:34:57  <Stablean> <V453000> well
22:35:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> and looked at the latest public game also
22:35:11  <Stablean> <V453000> the point is you need to somehow detect that there are trains waiting
22:35:22  <Stablean> <V453000> and from that point, divert the others somewhere else
22:35:28  <Stablean> <V453000> for that we use 2way signals
22:35:42  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm can you build a quick example somewhere on the map?
22:35:44  <Stablean> <V453000> if a 2way signal is red, no more trains will go there
22:36:40  <Stablean> <learningottd> its a nice trick for a pickup station
22:37:05  <Stablean> <V453000> see this
22:37:11  <Stablean> <V453000> you see?
22:37:17  <Stablean> <learningottd> ya
22:37:19  <Stablean> <V453000> I have two trains going into that station
22:37:23  <Stablean> <V453000> now what will happen:
22:37:29  <Stablean> <V453000> first one will start loading
22:37:35  <Stablean> <V453000> and occupy that block
22:37:45  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhms
22:37:48  <Stablean> <V453000> so the second one will detect a red 2way signal
22:37:52  <Stablean> <V453000> and pick ANY other path
22:37:55  <Stablean> <V453000> thus, the depot
22:38:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> err
22:38:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ANY ... even ifthere isnt a depot :)
22:38:25  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm
22:38:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> two way block?
22:38:40  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
22:38:46  <Stablean> <learningottd> thats the magic trick? :p
22:38:56  <Stablean> <learningottd> tried with pbs etc but nothing worked
22:39:02  <Stablean> <V453000> PBS is dumb
22:39:12  <Stablean> <V453000> in overflows, this applies twice :)
22:39:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> ^^
22:39:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> so the exit signal is like a prio now?
22:39:49  <Stablean> <V453000> kind of
22:40:00  <Stablean> <V453000> when the platform is occupied, trains will not leave overflow
22:40:10  <Stablean> <learningottd> train moves from the platform the train in waiting bay starts moving again i guess
22:40:14  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah ok
22:40:48  <Stablean> <learningottd> its a cute trick
22:40:50  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
22:40:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> can spam endless goods train for pickup
22:41:12  <Stablean> <learningottd> but you need to make a loop?
22:41:15  <Stablean> <V453000> if you try to copy the designs I have shown in the advanced building revue 04, you should get it :)
22:41:33  <Stablean> <V453000> well an overflow basically always works as some kind of loop
22:41:41  <Stablean> <V453000> no matter how you build it
22:41:54  <Stablean> <learningottd> so you cant have something like this?
22:42:00  <Stablean> <V453000> you can
22:42:02  <Stablean> <learningottd> a depot right before station entrance
22:42:02  <Stablean> <V453000> see now :
22:42:33  <Stablean> <V453000> this is one more magic
22:42:39  <Stablean> <learningottd> -_-
22:42:42  <Stablean> <V453000> because the 2way is red, they will not go into the station
22:42:58  <Stablean> <V453000> but because it is a  red exit/combo, they will not even leave the depot
22:43:08  <Stablean> <learningottd> but if you put any signals beyond the 2way signal
22:43:15  <Stablean> <learningottd> this wont work?
22:43:17  <Stablean> <V453000> because there is a built-in signal in the depot
22:43:23  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont know where exactly :)
22:43:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah nice :D
22:43:29  <Stablean> <V453000> but probably not
22:43:35  <Stablean> <learningottd> but uhm like this...
22:44:07  <Stablean> <learningottd> like if you have a 10 platform station or something
22:44:31  <Stablean> <V453000> yes, sure
22:44:33  <Stablean> <V453000> see now
22:44:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhm
22:44:51  <Stablean> <V453000> I wil show you the most advanced overflow
22:44:57  <Stablean> <V453000> you can use what you can :)
22:45:06  <Stablean> <learningottd> ^^
22:45:25  <Stablean> <V453000> lets say we have this station
22:45:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> allright
22:46:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> lol sup
22:48:06  <Stablean> <learningottd> ok i understand the loop infront of the station
22:50:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> ah so thats why such a long prio
22:51:03  <Stablean> <V453000> the long prio is just to show how it works
22:51:09  <Stablean> <V453000> so it will occur more often
22:51:12  <Stablean> <learningottd> oki
22:52:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> uhm
22:53:06  <Stablean> <learningottd> from where
22:53:21  <Stablean> <learningottd> errr... how does the overflow train know if a platform is open?
22:53:52  <Stablean> <V453000> see the signals behind the station
22:54:18  <Stablean> <learningottd> seems like the train leaves depot even if platform is taken
22:55:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> i assume youre a programmer as profession ;)
22:55:11  <Stablean> <V453000> yes, because there is one mistake and that is the slow response time
22:55:17  <Stablean> <V453000> no im not
22:55:19  <Stablean> <V453000> I hate programming
22:55:19  <Stablean> <learningottd> :p
22:55:38  <Stablean> <V453000> see this :
22:55:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhm
22:56:18  <Stablean> <V453000> now they shouldnt leave if there are all taken
22:56:36  <Stablean> <V453000> because they also see if there is a train coming in front of them
22:56:46  <Stablean> <V453000> see? :)
22:56:52  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah ^^
22:57:18  <Stablean> <learningottd> i guess that waiting bay is inevitable
22:57:37  <Stablean> <V453000> when they were leaving even when there was no one empty, was because the second train was in the  are between that release signal and entrances to stations
22:57:47  <Stablean> <V453000> waiting bay doesnt hurt :)
22:57:53  <Stablean> <learningottd> yah i figured
22:57:59  <Stablean> <learningottd> trains dont come in fast enough
22:57:59  <Stablean> <V453000> and it is the best way how to work with a depot
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22:58:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> it looks very good
22:58:20  <Stablean> <learningottd> can make hundreds of pickup trains for each station ;)
22:58:42  <Stablean> <V453000> this design is quite a superb overflow imo
22:58:57  <Stablean> <learningottd> gonna be shitty complicated with alot of platforms and dual/triple incomming tracks :p
22:59:07  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
22:59:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> but thats probably the fun with it ^^
22:59:15  <Stablean> <V453000> with more tracks it is way more fun
22:59:33  <Stablean> <learningottd> or headaches whatever comes first :)
22:59:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> need to practice this i think
22:59:44  <Stablean> <learningottd> looks mighty pro
22:59:47  <Stablean> <V453000> what you should mostly do is take all tracks to all platforms, and then join the overflow to all incoming lines
23:00:09  <Stablean> <learningottd> yeah ok
23:00:15  <Stablean> <V453000> its just toying with presignals :)
23:00:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> ive seen some very complicated things youve made with presignals
23:00:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> and logic gates etc
23:00:59  <Stablean> <V453000> logic gates are a bit another level :)
23:01:13  <Stablean> <V453000> for this purpose it is enough wih signals :)
23:01:21  <Stablean> <learningottd> i understood why there has to be many guys working on the same map, else its gonna take a looong time
23:01:23  <Stablean> <learningottd> ya
23:01:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> train injection etc is the last thing im gonna learn ;)
23:02:22  <Stablean> <learningottd> gonna have to find a way to make those overflows with the 2track layout on stations like this
23:02:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> like the goods pickup here
23:02:56  <Stablean> <V453000> I think it could be easier than you think :)
23:03:08  <Stablean> <learningottd> ill have it as my homework for tomorrow
23:03:18  <Stablean> <V453000> ok :)
23:03:28  <Stablean> <V453000> I will leave this example alive ;)
23:03:35  <Stablean> <learningottd> allright thanks for help man. next time im gonna make a whole lot of overflows
23:03:41  <Stablean> <learningottd> nice
23:03:43  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
23:03:45  <Stablean> <V453000> no problem
23:04:04  <Stablean> <learningottd> allright off to bed for me then. nn!
23:04:11  <Stablean> <V453000> again, if you need inspiration or just to see the possibilities, see the blog article :)
23:04:13  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
23:04:15  <Stablean> <V453000> me too
23:04:18  <Stablean> <learningottd> well its juist that
23:04:28  <Stablean> <learningottd> when its written and not illustrated alot
23:04:38  <Stablean> <V453000> there are many images :)
23:04:45  <Stablean> <V453000> one or each overflow type
23:04:51  <Stablean> <learningottd> its kinda hard to understand when i dont grasp the whole presignal thingy
23:04:53  <Stablean> <V453000> there cant be more :)
23:04:55  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah
23:04:58  <Stablean> <V453000> presignals are key
23:05:13  <Stablean> <learningottd> i think the best would be a working example .sav ^^
23:05:27  <Stablean> <learningottd> alot easier to study and understand it then imo
23:05:51  <Stablean> <learningottd> i mean if you add the .sav that you made the images from
23:06:10  <Stablean> <V453000> isnt it there?
23:06:12  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont know
23:06:20  <Stablean> <learningottd> dont think i saw it
23:06:26  <Stablean> <learningottd> but if its there thats my bad :p
23:07:10  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm it isnt there
23:07:20  <Stablean> <V453000> but anyways ... savegame doesnt help much
23:07:27  <Stablean> <V453000> you need to reproduce it
23:07:35  <Stablean> <learningottd> mhm
23:07:53  <Stablean> <learningottd> for me its easier anyway :)
23:07:53  <Stablean> <V453000> also I dont want people just to copy it :)
23:07:55  <Stablean> <V453000> but to think
23:08:03  <Stablean> <learningottd> yup
23:08:25  <Stablean> <learningottd> but first one need to be comfortable with the concept before expanding it into something else
23:08:47  <Stablean> <learningottd> but it all boils down into experience -.-
23:09:18  <Stablean> <V453000> sure :)
23:09:24  <Stablean> <V453000> just leave it some time
23:09:34  <Stablean> <learningottd> anywho i got some fine japanese porn to watch now, so im off ;)
23:09:38  <Stablean> <learningottd> gn again!
23:09:40  <Stablean> <V453000> xD
23:09:42  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
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