Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 11th September 2010:
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10:13:29  <Stablean> <Mks> anyone here?
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10:50:06  <Stablean> <Mks> erhum kush
10:50:13  <Stablean> <Mks> azir I mean
10:50:23  <Stablean> <Mks> 4x4 line? :P
10:50:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hmm?
10:50:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What do you mean? o:
10:51:03  <Stablean> <Mks> planning to have loads of trains there?
10:51:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah.
10:51:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Look at the city networks
10:51:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As soon as I start to grow them.. ;)
10:51:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Baduff.
10:51:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
10:51:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But, dont worry, I'll abondon Frufingbridge and Gredinghead
10:52:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I've just built some stuff there for them not to get too angry while building.
10:52:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
10:52:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am doing quite some fun stuff at the moment. I am also terraforming a little much. :x
10:52:56  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I can see you do some TF
10:53:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But, I am also building tunnels on the way. So, it should get easier to cross the huge ass track.
10:53:21  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
10:53:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> At the moment, I am working at crossing your line spaceous, so you can expand it if you want.
10:53:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
10:53:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Some massive terraforming involved, though. s:
10:54:03  <Stablean> <Mks> I am not gona connect alot of cities Ithink
10:54:13  <Stablean> <Mks> might connect one to deliver goods but
10:54:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But that TF will yield some viaduct like bridges. =D
10:54:23  <Stablean> <Mks> not sure if my line can handle tracks enough
10:54:57  <Stablean> <Mks> I am not really in the mood of building a 3x3 line so
10:55:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, it's done.
10:55:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
10:55:29  <Stablean> <Mks> cause it means I would have to rebuild every crossing
10:56:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, this viaduct gives you enough space to expand to 8x
10:56:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ;)
10:56:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even 10x
10:56:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
10:57:50  <Stablean> <Mks> well the problem isn't really the line its the stations and the junctions
10:57:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah
11:01:34  <Stablean> <Mks> its one thing if you build a 3x3 line from the start then its easier to build then to rebuild to 3x line
11:02:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, if your network is wholebuilt, its gonna be a bitch to rebuild it.
11:02:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
11:03:26  <Stablean> <Mks> well my tracks aren't really full yet so shouldn't be a problem
11:08:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hah!
11:08:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Go to here
11:08:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There are already farms growing
11:08:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
11:08:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And look at the viaduct =D
11:08:48  <Stablean> <Mks> lots of tunnels and bridges
11:09:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, it's the viaduct that crosses your line
11:09:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The tunnels behind there
11:09:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I had to TF some to get them done.
11:09:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And farm are already occupying it. :D
11:09:33  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
11:09:47  <Stablean> <Mks> your almsot out of money now :P
11:09:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Still 11m
11:09:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
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11:10:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello.
11:10:25  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
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11:17:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello :o
11:22:16  <Stablean> <Mks> gah removed all signals by accident :P
11:22:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> rofl :p
11:22:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Especially you, who shouted out about the signal costs first. XD
11:22:47  <Stablean> <Mks> well
11:22:53  <Stablean> <Mks> money isn't a issue atm so
11:22:55  <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't matter now but
11:22:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I know :p
11:23:07  <Stablean> <Mks> lots of trains so a pain to put the signals back
11:23:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
11:27:38  <Stablean> <Mks> mm isn't 3CEX AC (Combined Cycle) a nice loco for you?
11:27:45  <Stablean> <Mks> 120km_/h to speed
11:27:52  <Stablean> <Mks> 24 000 hp
11:28:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I kinda like it, because it's cool.
11:28:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
11:28:23  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
11:28:29  <Stablean> <Mks> and mm lots of traction on it as well
11:28:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I'd like this line to be a shinkansen line. x:
11:28:44  <Stablean> <Mks> why don't you make it shinkasen then?
11:28:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am talking about the huge line I am building.
11:29:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It doesn't have any trains yet. XD
11:29:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The smaller pax lines will have all that japanese short distance rolling stock goodness.
11:30:42  <Stablean> <Mks> well you haven't built shinkasen tracks tho
11:30:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, it's not completely flat.
11:31:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But from what I gathered, forcing completely flat lines is rather discouraged here.
11:31:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I didn't want to terraform to get a completely flat track.
11:31:47  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
11:31:49  <Stablean> <Mks> but I mean
11:31:55  <Stablean> <Mks> the ingame shinkasen tracks
11:31:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I mostly terraformed for fun and to leave space for people (tunnels)
11:32:06  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
11:32:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And to get around obstacles, of course.
11:32:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (tunneling under it)
11:32:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, you mean the looks?
11:32:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> How can I choose a different rail style? o:
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11:32:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello :o
11:32:59  <Stablean> <Mks> well if you build maglev tracks
11:33:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, you mean that.
11:33:08  <Stablean> <Mks> you get the shinkasen tracks
11:33:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hah, well, yeah, I could upgrade my system.
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11:36:31  <Stablean> <Mks> is 8 plattforms enough for a terminus station?
11:36:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, one plattform is enough for a terminus station if you throughput is small enough, isn't it? XD
11:37:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's all about the throughput you are going to g et.
11:37:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But, for this 8 track system
11:37:22  <Stablean> <Mks> well lots of trains I guess
11:37:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I have my doubts it will be enough
11:37:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But we have station spread 14
11:38:06  <Stablean> <Mks> I'll do a 14 station instead :P
11:38:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There will connect: 1 "platform" of trams and at least 2 short distance line platforms.
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11:38:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So, the max I could do would be 11 platforms for the shinkansen line.
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11:39:10  <Stablean> <Mks> I'll do a 12 plattform thingie
11:39:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That's the problem, that doesn't work.
11:39:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Just a metro of two platforms connecting to it would simply overload.
11:39:55  <Stablean> <Mks> why not?
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11:49:23  <Stablean> <Mks> mm lousy trams this game?
11:49:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The normal ones.
11:49:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. I guess.
11:49:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I'm a fan of the dutch tramset. XDD
11:49:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *XD
11:49:56  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
11:50:55  <Stablean> <Mks> mm maglev tracks but not shinkasen tracks strange
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12:03:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello :o
12:03:10  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hi
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12:10:19  <V453000> !rcon set max_station_spread
12:10:19  <Stablean> V453000: 'max_station_spread' is an unknown setting.
12:10:25  <V453000> !rcon set station_spread
12:10:26  <Stablean> V453000: Current value for 'station_spread' is: '14' (min: 4, max: 64)
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12:19:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> a
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12:19:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello
12:20:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
12:26:51  <Stablean> <Mks> you here azir?
12:26:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yes
12:27:07  <Stablean> <Mks> seems there was no shinkasen track grf this time?
12:27:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Seems so.
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12:30:40  <V453000> hmm, who set station spread to 14?
12:30:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> planetmaker
12:30:51  <Stablean> <Mks> was ammler I think
12:30:57  <Stablean> <Mks> or planetmaker
12:31:14  <V453000> I wonder why, but whatever
12:31:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> He joined in to the discussion on station spread we had and decided to change it.
12:32:54  <Stablean> <Mks> strange
12:33:00  <Stablean> <Mks> when you build maglev
12:33:10  <V453000> yes, landscape and train set is reversed
12:33:12  <Stablean> <Mks> it looks like the shinkasen tracks on the button
12:33:25  <V453000> I forgot that the grf order depends there
12:33:25  <Stablean> <Mks> but no shinkasen tracks its maglev
12:33:31  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
12:33:44  <V453000> narrow gauges are not there either
12:34:00  <V453000> although bridges may be "normal"
12:34:10  <Stablean> <Mks> whats narrow gauge?
12:34:15  <V453000> rail set
12:34:22  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
12:34:25  <V453000> the normal rails, but narrower
12:34:33  <Stablean> <Mks> I see
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12:36:57  <Stablean> <Mks> mm why did my oil wheel dissapear
12:37:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :x
12:37:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Maybe a shinkansen fell into it and plugged the oil pipe -> facily went bankrupt.
12:37:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
12:38:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *facility. s:
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12:39:49  <Stablean> <Mks> seems my 10 plattform power plant station is needed
12:40:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
12:41:47  <V453000> Mks: that doesnt have to do anything with station spread btw :p
12:42:03  <Stablean> <Mks> I know
12:42:05  <Stablean> <Mks> but
12:42:11  <Stablean> <Mks> but I might need 12 :)
12:42:27  <V453000> I said nothing to do :p
12:42:36  <V453000> you can make a waypoint in front of the station complex
12:42:41  <V453000> and then make as many platforms as you want
12:42:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> why dont build longer trains?
12:42:49  <V453000> and end it with another waypoint
12:42:55  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
12:43:05  <Stablean> <Mks> how will it unload then?
12:43:06  <V453000> 1. go non-stop via entrance WP, 2. go via exit WP
12:43:08  <V453000> easy
12:43:17  <V453000> as long as there is a demand, it will be unloaded automatically
12:43:22  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh but you can't do that at a load station right?
12:43:29  <V453000> well
12:43:33  <V453000> kind of not
12:43:47  <Stablean> <Mks> well V always complain about long trains
12:43:53  <Stablean> <Mks> so I made short this time
12:43:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
12:44:17  <V453000> I dont care what you do I am just telling you my opinion
12:44:40  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I know but you don't like long trains :P
12:45:07  <V453000> that is quite true :)
12:45:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I like long trains.
12:45:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
12:45:33  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah you like long slow trains :P
12:45:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
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12:53:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
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12:53:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hmm?
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12:53:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> troy mcclure transport to be sold off...
12:53:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> etc
12:54:16  <Stablean> <Mks> well you had a negative amount of cash I guess?
12:54:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Problem solved.
12:54:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
12:54:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> uhm, thanks
12:54:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sorry if you didn't want it, I should have asked first. s:
12:54:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ill pay you back in due time
12:54:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if time permits it
12:55:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You don't have to, lol..
12:55:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *lol.
12:55:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Didnt mean to make two dots. x:
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12:55:45  <Stablean> <V453000> hi there
12:55:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hellow
12:56:10  <Stablean> <V453000> hehe the tracks are nicely screwd up
12:56:12  <Stablean> <V453000> sorry for that :)
12:56:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
12:56:27  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah they are not even full maglev some kinda of mix
12:56:59  <Stablean> <V453000> I see
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13:03:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =O
13:04:01  <Stablean> <V453000> Aziroshin: see for example train E233 and try to refit it :p
13:04:05  <Stablean> <V453000> you will like that :)
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13:04:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =O
13:07:17  <V453000> many others have it too :p
13:07:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I've seen the older Shinkansen have such an option.
13:08:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, nice to see someone already harnesses the fact that some of my line is underground. =D
13:08:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ;p
13:08:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's the reason why I've left some more space around the facilities I tunneled under.
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13:14:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> wah, cool!!
13:14:46  <Stablean> <Mks> what?
13:14:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You can bridge over rice paddies without them getting removed. =D
13:14:58  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
13:15:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Looks so nice.
13:15:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My bridge is standing in all those rice paddies. x3
13:15:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But two rice paddies are missing. :(
13:15:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> regrow!!
13:16:28  <V453000> Aziroshin: call a local psychiatrist please :D :P
13:16:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
13:16:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What should I say when I call him?
13:16:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Two rice paddies are not regrowing!!
13:16:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> halp!!!
13:17:30  <V453000> exactly :D
13:17:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. xD
13:18:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> t3h precious ricepaddies. :[
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13:29:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sigh
13:29:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Troy, you're building a little close. :p
13:29:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> where at?
13:30:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Tunnington heights.
13:30:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I planned to grow and metro the cities mutown, tunnington and Quardhattan. Tunnington Heights would ahve to be e xtended
13:30:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> to be able to take the metro feeds.
13:30:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> This means that Tunnington heights will use the entire maximum of station spread.
13:30:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wait let me think abou tit
13:31:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
13:31:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay.
13:31:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thanks.
13:32:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Do you plan on taking these cities now btw?
13:32:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> taking cities?
13:32:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what do you mean?
13:32:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, taking as in networking and growing.
13:32:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, i want to let them grow
13:32:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but i dont want to that alone per se
13:33:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> btw, do you really need 14 platforms?
13:33:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I planned to grow these three cities to quite big sizes and build metro networks of their own inside of them.
13:33:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am rather affraid that huge station could not be enough at some point. :p
13:34:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, thats far in the future, isnt it?
13:34:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but okay
13:34:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I would have to finish the other station
13:34:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Then I would be able to start with the cities.
13:34:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> However, I wont have much time today anymore.
13:35:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you cant build on other peoples road, can you?
13:35:31  <Stablean> <Mks> you can't
13:35:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why?
13:35:43  <Stablean> <Mks> busses and such can use them but you can't build stations or such
13:35:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you can turn it on
13:36:01  <Stablean> <Mks> cause the company owns the roads your not allowed to build on em then
13:36:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i get that, but why isnt it turned on
13:36:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you can turn it on
13:36:50  <Stablean> <Mks> no
13:36:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well,now not no
13:37:04  <Stablean> <Mks> you can turn off city owned drive through stations
13:37:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but it is an option in the advanced settings
13:37:16  <Stablean> <Mks> its not
13:37:32  <Stablean> <Mks> only way to make that possible is to use the IS patch
13:37:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> stations>allow drive -through road stops on roads owned by competitors>off
13:38:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why do I see it in the advanced settings, if it is not really an option?
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13:38:54  <Stablean> <Mks> not sure what that does
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13:39:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I wont be able to extend my tram network there now.
13:39:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> you're not sure what that option does?
13:39:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> it says so
13:39:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thanks
13:40:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am really a little affraid my metro plans will be crossed out. =\
13:40:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> i do need some roads tho, later
13:40:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I kinda planned this for many centuries.
13:40:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> but i will just build the stations then, and you build the road connecting them?
13:40:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, we will have to decide who builds where I guess.
13:41:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I intend to feed that huge station there with loads of passengers.
13:41:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> can you build the roads between them
13:42:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Building the metro and planning the city takes me some time.
13:42:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It got even harder now, I am not sure what to decide on now. =\
13:44:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> you should be able to extend the tramways now
13:44:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Tramways can be built on other's roads
13:44:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I wont be able to build stations
13:44:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure #1> i kept the number of roads to a minimum
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13:49:20  <Ammler> !playercount
13:49:21  <Stablean> Ammler: Number of players: 4
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13:57:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you wis to  connect frufingbridge and Gredinghead too?
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13:57:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am going to abondon them.
13:57:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so no problem if I connect them?
13:57:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You can.
13:58:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I just built stuff there to buidl up reputation my track building might ruin.
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14:01:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Do you need a lot of room down there?
14:01:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> where?
14:01:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The three cities.
14:01:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> tunnford, ltl drendhead and mutown?
14:01:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yes
14:02:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, its just so they develop on the other side of the station too
14:02:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> built extra roads to expand to 4 track station, if desired
14:02:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So, these stations are all you will be going to build?
14:02:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> On how many bus stations are you planning?
14:03:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so i dont act like one
14:03:41  <Stablean> <Mks> whats up with these oil wheels 100% serviced and still dissapear
14:04:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oil wells are the history
14:04:15  <Stablean> <Mks> why?
14:04:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> instead,  oilfields are taking over
14:04:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dont know, game mechanics
14:04:31  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
14:04:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its on solo too
14:04:37  <Stablean> <Mks> there is a grf for it tho aint it?
14:04:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I'll let you finish your train network down there.
14:10:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> um, would you remove the tramway tracks in those cities you left behind, too?
14:10:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Sure.
14:10:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I thought you might find it useful. XD
14:10:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cant build stations on it
14:10:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yuck
14:11:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If you want to have a 4 track station in tunnington
14:11:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Build it now. :p
14:11:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thinking...
14:11:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> see sign
14:12:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> this is the station area
14:12:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so yes?
14:12:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> See, i was going to use the entire area you are building on right now.
14:12:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am just adapting, gnawing my teeth doing so. :p
14:13:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I've planned on this from like the 60s or something.
14:15:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Don't bend yourself too much now.
14:15:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even if you build there, these three cities were going to be part of one huge network.
14:15:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If you really want to build in these three cities, I will have to adapt
14:15:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> no matter what.
14:15:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> those cities are still small and have plenty of space to expand
14:16:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus, they dont already have a big station next to it
14:16:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I can't do everything at once.
14:16:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Also, I am not playing nonstop. :p
14:16:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So, if you want to build there, I will have to adapt. So, I'll adapt.
14:16:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, if you want, i can join you?
14:17:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well?
14:17:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I wont mind cooperating. But I'd rather like doing it from the beginning. =\
14:18:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The things I want to build will still have to be adapted.
14:18:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what if i let myself be broke
14:18:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and you take me over?
14:18:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Nah, no reason to. I'd rather stuff you with money so you can move to different cities without issues. :p
14:18:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> youll already have the netweork
14:19:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, but if we cooperate,  you would still have a say in those cities, i move to
14:19:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I only planned for the cities I connected already
14:19:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> its one of the reason why I connected all of them.
14:19:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I don't care about all the other cities on the map. o:
14:19:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You can have the mall.
14:19:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
14:20:23  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You can even build in the c ities I connected, it's just that I won't like it. It's not like I have any right to reserve anything or something.
14:20:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you would like those bottom 3 cities too? tunnford etc..
14:21:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, the three cities I would have connected.
14:21:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If I would not have been that slow or played all the time since map start, I guess the network there would be already standing in part at least.
14:22:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, im renewing my offer:  my network for cooperation
14:23:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But we build seperate?
14:23:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you would like that
14:23:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Fine.
14:23:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
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14:24:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
14:25:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The bankrupcy train
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14:25:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess I should have put up a sign that I intended stuff there. But, I am not sure whether people would respect that anyway. s:
14:28:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It is losing money in an extremely slow fashion
14:28:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Go and build an airplane.
14:28:37  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> :p
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14:29:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cras?
14:30:11  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Uhm, I have no idea about the airplanes in the game
14:30:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Any airplane should ruin your company in an instant.
14:30:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Except it's earning a lot, of course.
14:30:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, im  seein it
14:30:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Just shut down the plane in an instant as soon as we take over.
14:30:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
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14:31:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, there we go
14:31:31  <Stablean> <greenlion> wow, condorde on small airport :)
14:31:41  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
14:32:48  <Stablean> <Mks> well you can't make profit with airplanes on this server
14:32:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thats not the idea
14:33:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But you can go bankrupt quickly.
14:33:01  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
14:33:15  <Stablean> <Mks> yes ofc
14:33:29  <Stablean> <Mks> unless you make ALOTof money then you can have a few airplanes
14:34:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> airports should be changed to not have any catching area at all.
14:34:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> They would have to be fed.
14:34:14  <Stablean> <Mks> that makes no sense
14:34:28  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean some airports are acually inside the city
14:34:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, okay, a very small catching area.
14:34:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i wanna buy...
14:35:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It didn't pop up so far.
14:35:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay.
14:35:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
14:36:20  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Mind if I redesign stuff down there?
14:36:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, go ahead
14:36:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Good.
14:36:54  <Stablean> <Mks> yellow is taking over the map
14:37:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, we are cooperating.
14:37:13  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I know
14:40:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> brb, client restart.
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15:07:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, my station is hosed. In the middle of the building site, a forest appeared.
15:07:52  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xP
15:08:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that sucks
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15:09:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> it will take centuries for it to disappear..
15:10:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> near tunington heights
15:10:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or where?
15:10:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Pondinghall
15:11:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> brain cracker
15:11:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dont know how to solve it
15:11:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> perhaps build around it
15:11:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There is only one solution
15:11:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The station will have to move.
15:11:56  <Stablean> <greenlion> build under?
15:11:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I used most of my reputation with the city.
15:12:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Thats the problem
15:12:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Its the station
15:12:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There are going to be lots of junctions, bridges, signals..
15:12:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I cant make that underground.
15:12:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And stretching it into the track would kinda defeat everything efficient I've built into it.
15:13:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It means I won't be able to comlete the project for long.
15:13:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I first will have to rebuild my reputation with the city.
15:13:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that shouldnt be too hard
15:14:12  <Stablean> <greenlion> can you move station to lartburg springs?
15:14:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> destroy everything (that isnt yours) in the surrounding
15:14:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and then
15:14:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> TREEESSSSSS
15:14:30  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Won't destroying trees break my reputation throw the floor? :p
15:14:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *through
15:14:41  <Stablean> <greenlion> or bribe...
15:14:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, but when you replant all those trees, it will be better
15:15:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> because you cant go below appalling
15:15:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am considering bribing, but I really object it.
15:15:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, let me try and  it
15:15:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its wronnley market?
15:15:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I dont want bribery
15:15:29  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Dx
15:16:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> .. it really works. Cheat. xP
15:16:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wronnley market>good
15:17:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Nice to see it works, but let's not do it again. It's kinda an endless device of reputation.
15:18:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That forest offered 270t before, now it offers 117t
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15:18:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Who knows, maybe it's going to go away. =D
15:18:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Even though I have to admit, that the station is not perfectly positioned anyway.
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15:46:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Pondinghall station
15:46:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I kinda finished the skelegton
15:46:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *skeleton
15:47:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, the coal lines were just there to get money early on.
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15:51:07  <Stablean> Server has exited
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15:51:35  <Mks> gah
15:51:39  <Mks> did the server crash?
15:51:51  <greenlion> :(
15:53:45  <Mks> !date
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16:27:49  <Ammler>  seg fault
16:31:09  <Ammler> [2010-09-11 17:51:01]            CmdStartStopVehicle              Mks  date:2044-04-05  tile:00011A30  p1:000001A7 p2:00000000 text: price:0
16:31:11  <Ammler> Crash encountered, generating crash log...
16:31:12  <Ammler> Server has exited
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16:33:24  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
16:33:25  <Stablean> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Server ('
16:33:25  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Stablean
16:33:44  <Ammler> !playercount
16:33:45  <Stablean> Ammler: Number of players: 0
16:33:48  <Ammler> hmm
16:33:50  <Aziroshin> xD
16:34:01  <Ammler> where is the spec count?
16:34:58  <Aziroshin> spec count?
16:35:02  <Ammler> !reload config
16:35:02  <Stablean> Ammler: config reloaded
16:35:06  <Ammler> !playercount
16:35:06  <Stablean> Ammler: Number of players: 0 (0 spectators)
16:35:12  <Aziroshin> Ah, spectators. XD
16:35:28  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
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16:35:45  <Ammler> greenlion: were you online as it crashed?
16:35:55  <Aziroshin> I was online when it crashed.
16:35:58  <greenlion> Ammler, yep
16:36:06  <Ammler> is the game state ok?
16:36:28  <greenlion> Ammler, seems so. last changes I made are here
16:36:36  <Ammler> fine :-)
16:36:45  <Ammler> SmatZ: will take care about the crash
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16:36:50  <Ammler> so blame him
16:36:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, the pws are gone, butI guess that's normal.
16:37:08  <Ammler> yes, passwords are lost during reload
16:37:19  <Ammler> (not saved in the saves)
16:37:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I figured@not saved. :p
16:37:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> They are only kept in memory.
16:37:44  <Ammler> yep :-)
16:38:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess it's because of the "streaming server" concept I've heard about.
16:39:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> In a broader sense.
16:40:40  <Ammler> no, it is simply because if it would be saved in the save the clients would get the pws too
16:41:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That's what I mean. The server would have to handle this on its own, but that probably wouldn't be that easy, or by the design even "impossible".
16:41:25  <Ammler> there is a patch flying around...
16:41:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I see. Proof of concept. XD
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16:43:56  <SmatZ> Ammler: any clue where crash data are stored?
16:44:04  <Ammler> none
16:44:16  <Ammler> it only said, it does generate those
16:44:23  <Ammler> but the crash files are old
16:44:33  <SmatZ> yeah :(
16:44:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It only says it but creates none?
16:44:51  <Ammler> I pasted the end of the game.log
16:45:04  <Ammler>
16:45:28  <SmatZ> CmdStartStopVehicle probably didn't cause the crash
16:45:49  <Ammler> I agree, maybe it was simple OOM?
16:46:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Out of mana. XD
16:46:27  <SmatZ> Ammler: did it say where are the crash files saved to?
16:46:41  <SmatZ> or you have no chance to see the crash output
16:46:46  <SmatZ> because screen was closed
16:46:52  <SmatZ> (how comes it was closed?)
16:47:03  <Ammler> it does close on exit
16:47:06  <Ammler> but we have the log
16:47:21  <SmatZ> where?
16:47:26  <Ammler> I pasted
16:47:39  <SmatZ> [18:45:06] <Ammler> <== is overwritten by new log
16:47:45  <Ammler> yeah :-(
16:47:50  <Ammler> sorry :-P
16:47:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
16:47:59  <SmatZ> :)
16:48:12  <Ammler> I pasted the last lines from the log
16:48:23  <Ammler> you think, there would be more infos before?
16:48:47  <SmatZ> there should be
16:49:02  <SmatZ> the crash log should be printed
16:49:10  <SmatZ> but if it wasn't, something very serious happened
16:49:11  <Ammler> not, if it is a oom
16:49:13  <SmatZ> like OOM :)
16:49:33  <Ammler> such things can happen on the vps
16:49:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Makes sense. If the process ends that way, I guess the kernel won't bubble around long with it. :o
16:50:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Something external would have to monitor the process for such errors, if not something eludes me now.
16:50:16  <Ammler> if there wouldn't be the company pw issue, we could make a daily restart
16:50:38  <Ammler> oh well
16:50:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Can't the auto pilot manipulate company passwords?
16:50:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or be made to do it?
16:50:51  <Ammler> this happens once or twice a year?
16:51:00  <SmatZ> ;)
16:51:18  <Ammler> we can start debugging, if it happens again :-P
16:51:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I haven't seen stable crashing too much.
16:53:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> A way to check for OOM would be to monitor RAM usage.
16:53:50  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But, I guess it's rather babysteppish to poke around like this. XD
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16:57:08  <greenlion> if it was OOM it should have written in dmesg
16:57:56  <Ammler> how to read that?
16:58:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> dmesg
16:58:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's the command.
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17:03:43  <Ammler> empty
17:03:59  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
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17:05:06  <greenlion> hi Henri
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17:36:59  <Stablean> <V453000> hithere
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19:16:32  <Mks> !date
19:16:32  <Stablean> Mks: 17 Oct 2045
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21:36:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oi ^Spike^
21:36:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi Aziroshin
21:37:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Hello
21:37:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> see you have gone for terminuses this time
21:37:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> with full speed corners
21:37:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I've gone for terminus before.
21:38:04  <^Spike^> chris that you have a diff IP doesn't by terms mean you are unbanned
21:38:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no trains though
21:38:07  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> V also said that the network youve seen back there was the worst I've built so far. :p
21:38:15  <^Spike^> what you expect to happen between now... and eh... 10 minutes?
21:38:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i odn
21:38:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> dont
21:38:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> nothing
21:38:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i have same IP
21:38:36  <^Spike^> no you don't... else you couldn't have joined the room
21:38:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i have been asking you why for last 2 days
21:38:41  <^Spike^> when i kicked you out banlist was 2
21:38:42  <^Spike^> so...
21:38:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, no trains. I guess it's because the thing is not completely done yet, right. :p
21:38:45  <^Spike^> that means you had a diff IP
21:38:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i havent changed my IP once
21:39:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you can check
21:39:18  <^Spike^> (23:39:12)  Chris_Booth was "New Now Know How" (
21:39:22  <^Spike^> (23:39:13)  Chris_Booth was "New Now Know How" (
21:39:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i didnt change it
21:39:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i am still asking when you banned me
21:39:56  <^Spike^> when... let's see... 2 days ago... yesterday....
21:40:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes well lets not discuss you actions in this channel shall we
21:40:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> don't want to make you look bad now do we?
21:42:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And, you got banned after you went at me like you did back there. I don't mind criticism, but you were kinda aggressive in your tone. For what reason? I had done nothing to you.
21:42:17  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It wasn't my intention to get you banned, however, it seemed like it added up with other things.
21:42:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no but you did break the rules
21:42:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and that isnt the sole reason i got banned from here
21:42:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You did not shoot at the terraforming. You shot at my network in general.
21:42:48  <^Spike^> chris.. what rule he broke
21:42:50  <Ammler> Chris Booth, you aren't allowed to join stable
21:42:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Also, I've learned that I did nothing wrong and that I was alright.
21:43:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So, I did not break the rules after all.
21:43:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you TFed to much
21:43:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I will go on here as much as i like ammler
21:43:34  <Ammler> :-(
21:43:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
21:43:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> If V doesnt get banned for upsetting people why should I?
21:43:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I will change my IP as much as I like
21:44:12  <Ammler> CB, that is not how it works
21:44:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> it is
21:44:33  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My terraforming was within what is okay, so it seemed after all.
21:44:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Members such as you and V and Spike need to set examples
21:44:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> That expamle as i recall was shoot now ask later
21:44:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> good to know
21:44:53  <Ammler> well, you are a bad one
21:45:06  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> good to know
21:46:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> as far as i can see i have done nothing wrong and nothing that members have not done
21:46:15  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> actualy i have done things not even half as bad as members
21:46:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so i am staying
21:47:58  <Ammler> CB, it isn't about your building
21:48:08  <Ammler> there are not many building rules here
21:48:12  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I never talked about building
21:48:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Its about me getting told off for something which i had a right to complain about
21:48:56  <Ammler> yes, on ps maybe
21:49:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and when other people (no names mentioned) upset players Spike comes along and calms them done and nothing ever gets said
21:49:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> isn't that right Spike!
21:51:26  <Stablean> *** Chris Booth has started a new company (#5)
21:51:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> well if you dont mind i am buildoing
21:52:08  <^Spike^> !rcon kick 23
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22:48:48  <CB> hi Ammler
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22:52:30  <Booth> Mks you have some missing signals
22:52:45  <Stablean> <Mks> more then 1 place?
22:52:55  <Stablean> <Mks> I noticed 1 place that stoped the trains
22:53:12  <Booth> no just one jaming place
22:53:40  <Stablean> <Mks> well its fixed now I think
22:54:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Mks, is your Slendingbury line finished?
22:54:41  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
22:54:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am going to extend Wronnley and Pondinghall now. In case you would like to extend the lines next to these cities, now would be the time to decide.
22:54:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
22:55:19  <Stablean> <Mks> naa its gona be a two city rail only
22:55:25  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay.
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23:05:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The big termini I've built by the way
23:05:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Are inspired by your power plant roro.
23:05:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Mks.
23:05:18  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
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23:05:37  <Stablean> <Mks> at pndfinghall?
23:05:43  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Both.
23:05:49  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
23:05:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, not entirely, I've seen such designs before.
23:06:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> And not everything, but some parts of it have been inspired.
23:06:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:06:10  <Stablean> <Mks> wow my power plant drop off can't handle the trains
23:06:53  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But, pondinghall has an error. I guess I was spaced out or something.
23:07:04  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh it doesn't work?
23:07:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Nah, it's not such a subtle error.
23:07:21  <Stablean> <Mks> I guess 10 plattforms ain't enough for 200 trains
23:07:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Heh
23:07:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's a simple one - I forgot an entire facility.
23:08:09  <Stablean> <Mks> can't really rebuild it either its to messed up in that area
23:08:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xD
23:08:39  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> If you need me to remove some buildings in Little Drendhead valley, say something.
23:09:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> ooogh
23:09:06  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That's some jam.
23:09:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:09:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But at least it's not deadlocked.
23:09:49  <Stablean> <Mks> not sure how to fix it
23:10:00  <Stablean> <Mks> if its possible to make the signaling better somehow
23:11:16  <Stablean> <Mks> well the use of pre signals seem to have reduced it at least
23:11:34  <Stablean> <Mks> well
23:11:38  <Stablean> <Mks> sure builds up fast :P
23:13:58  <Stablean> <Mks> any expert around that c an help me fix that station?
23:28:33  <Stablean> <Mks> yey I added another 4 plattforms seem to fixed it
23:28:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> =D
23:30:15  <Stablean> <Mks> azir how do you like my addon plattforms?
23:30:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Tunnel =D
23:31:13  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah only solution
23:31:19  <Stablean> <Mks> a bit lack of space
23:31:42  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Oh, you've seen some of my networks. I know what it means when almost every single tile is occupied.
23:31:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:32:47  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I kinda like the addon plattforms, especially the tunneling. The only sore point is that they are not all on the same level (as in, that they are like 2 tiles behind the other platforms)
23:33:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> But I guess that's just me. XD
23:33:39  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but its due to lack of space
23:33:59  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, yeah, I see that there.
23:34:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The trains would not fit onto the piece of track if they wouldnt be like that.
23:34:20  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
23:34:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> So Ill scratch that with the sore point, it's good.
23:34:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> yey.
23:35:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> My first shinkansen tested successfully.
23:35:05  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:35:19  <Stablean> <Mks> the tunnel from the exit is a bit long but only 4 plattforms so should be ok
23:35:54  <Stablean> <Mks> now you just have to fill the lines then
23:35:56  <Stablean> <Mks> btw
23:35:58  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There's room for a second tunnel if you'd have run into problem.
23:36:05  <Stablean> <Mks> do you know there is a 300km/h loco for normal rail now?
23:36:13  <Stablean> <Mks> you can't transport cargo with it tho
23:36:31  <Stablean> <Mks> the CT60
23:36:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Ah, yeah, from the other trainset.
23:37:08  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Not really interested in it, I am the one that wished for the japanese trainset this map.
23:37:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:37:16  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
23:38:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I like the new platforms you've added. They're fun. XD
23:39:12  <Stablean> <Mks> at least the removed the jam
23:39:26  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, and I like the style.
23:39:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Of these new platforms.
23:39:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:40:06  <Stablean> <Mks> you can build a more advanced station like that somehow like if plattforms full go to next set just can't remeber how you do it really
23:41:11  <Stablean> <Mks> only problem is I don't think my tracks can handle much more trains
23:41:21  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, you would have to expand then.
23:41:44  <Stablean> <Mks> all trains go to the same area so mm
23:42:05  <Stablean> <Mks> I won't expand them tho
23:42:08  <Stablean> <Mks> way to much work
23:42:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I guess
23:42:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's kinda the work of a map on stable.
23:42:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> time-wise.
23:43:06  <Stablean> <Mks> should have done that expansion alot earlier then to make it any good
23:43:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Or from the almost-beginning.
23:43:26  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah thats the best
23:43:28  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> As in, get basic money stock, then plan bigger.
23:43:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> You see this 8x8 track here
23:43:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I had no intention to make this a 2x2 and then expand it or something.
23:43:48  <Stablean> <Mks> not really used :P
23:43:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:43:54  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, but that has different reasons.
23:44:00  <Stablean> <Mks> tho you don't use double tunnels and stuff
23:44:02  <Stablean> <Mks> so
23:44:04  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It wasn't complete at around 6 PM
23:44:07  <Stablean> <Mks> you need more tracks
23:44:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Then I was occupied with other things.
23:44:38  <Stablean> <Mks> at least your 8 track wouldn't be able the handle the amount of trains on my track
23:45:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> What is it?
23:45:58  <Stablean> <Mks> your 8 track shinkasen
23:46:04  <Stablean> <Mks> since it only has 1 tunnel per track
23:46:35  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I took are the tunnels, almost all ofthem, at least, aren't longer than the trains running on the track.
23:46:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> *care
23:46:58  <Stablean> <Mks> well your longest gap is 17
23:47:17  <Stablean> <Mks> so if you want to fill the tracks to the max you need 3 tunnels/bridges per track
23:47:24  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> gap?
23:47:34  <Stablean> <Mks> well its a bridge
23:47:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Between signals, I guess.
23:47:39  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
23:47:45  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, I guess its a bridge.
23:47:55  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The tunnel length isnt a problem.
23:48:30  <Stablean> <Mks> well acually as soon as the tunnel is longer then 2 tiles you need 2 tunnels per track
23:48:32  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, that bridge..
23:48:38  <Stablean> <Mks> if you want to max out the use of the tracks
23:49:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Yeah, and I see why.
23:50:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, it won't matter. This track is like that now and that's it.
23:50:00  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:50:16  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The tunnels and bridges are fun.
23:50:18  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
23:50:20  <Stablean> <Mks> and really
23:50:34  <Stablean> <Mks> you can have quite alot of trains before it becomes a problem
23:50:36  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I guess.
23:50:40  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It's 8 tracks, after all.
23:50:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> XD
23:50:48  <Stablean> <Mks> but if you have trains like 3-4 tiles bettwen each train then it becomes a problem
23:51:38  <Stablean> <Mks> you only have 1 train so far?
23:51:44  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It was there to test.
23:51:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I am now goingto duplicate.
23:52:05  <Stablean> <Mks> only pax? or gona do mail as well?
23:52:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Mai ltoo, but not instantly.
23:52:57  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> There's not that much to transport yet.
23:53:01  <Stablean> <Mks> I use the 500 series for mail
23:53:03  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The cities need to grow now.
23:53:06  <Stablean> <Mks> and the N700 for pax
23:54:09  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I'll have to use the N700 for both
23:54:19  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> The slower one would slow out the pax trains.
23:54:26  <Stablean> <Mks> I want to see diffrence bettwen them
23:54:32  <Stablean> <Mks> no the 500 series and the N700 have the same speed
23:54:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I see.
23:54:40  <Stablean> <Mks> so works fine
23:54:56  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I thought I've only seen one 300ish train.
23:55:03  <Stablean> <Mks> there are 2
23:55:07  <Stablean> <Mks> the blue/grey
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23:55:46  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I thought about series 0 first
23:55:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Problem:
23:56:02  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> No shinkansen tracks. XD
23:56:16  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
23:56:27  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> series 0 'd look kinda weird with maglev tracks.
23:56:58  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
23:57:12  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Look ate Pondinghall btw.
23:57:14  <Stablean> <Mks> N700 and 500 looks alright
23:57:14  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> See that wood?
23:57:22  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> It spawned in the middle of my fucking building site.
23:57:29  <Stablean> <Mks> ouch
23:57:31  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I had to shift almost all of the station over there.
23:57:34  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xP
23:57:39  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
23:57:49  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> That was hell, because the town hated me for destroying all those trees.
23:57:51  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> xP
23:58:13  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> I was there with unfinished tracks and like
23:58:15  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Okay, it's not true.
23:58:38  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> (that's what I was like, I mean. XD)
23:58:48  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> "it can't be."
23:59:10  <Stablean> <Aziroshin> Well, one more reason to shift it over. The station wasn't in a good position anyway.

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