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00:11:14 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 00:36:23 *** greenlion has quit IRC 00:38:57 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 00:39:00 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 00:39:01 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:01:01 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 02:01:04 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 02:01:04 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 02:29:56 <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game 04:36:08 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 04:43:07 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 04:43:10 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 04:43:11 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 06:33:36 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 06:37:57 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 06:38:02 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 06:38:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ^Spike^ 07:20:42 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer joined the game 07:21:23 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has joined company #3 07:21:23 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 07:43:54 *** greenlion has joined #openttdcoop.stable 08:02:42 <Stablean> *** kuch3n joined the game 08:14:30 <Stablean> *** Zxilix joined the game 08:22:28 <Stablean> <Zxilix> Could someone explain to me what the circles with trains going round are by the sawmill? 08:26:09 <kuch3n> SRN 08:27:05 <Stablean> *** Zxilix has left the game (leaving) 08:35:00 <Stablean> *** Zxilix joined the game 08:38:14 <Stablean> *** Zxilix has left the game (leaving) 08:56:34 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 08:56:54 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 09:18:23 <kuch3n> Something left to do here? 09:18:34 <Ammler> !playercount 09:18:34 <Stablean> Ammler: Number of players: 2 (0 spectators) 09:29:01 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 09:29:22 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 09:29:22 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 09:41:04 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 09:41:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 09:53:23 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 10:28:08 <Stablean> <kuch3n> fuck 10:30:05 <Stablean> *** sharpy joined the game 10:35:23 *** KenjiE20 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:35:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o KenjiE20 10:38:15 <V453000> !date 10:38:15 <Stablean> V453000: 10 Jan 2073 10:39:04 <kuch3n> V453000: Do you restart soon? 10:39:14 <V453000> today 10:39:27 <V453000> like 18:00 CET 10:39:44 <kuch3n> 20:00 gmt+2? 10:39:49 <V453000> mby sooner 10:40:02 <V453000> 20:00 gmt+3 10:43:04 <kuch3n> Is there a blog for the SRN System? 10:43:42 <Stablean> *** sharpy has left the game (leaving) 10:43:52 <V453000> @blog SRNW 10:43:56 <Webster> Search Result for SRNW at #openttdcoop - http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/?s=SRNW 10:44:18 <V453000> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2008/12/15/the-magic-of-srnw-self-regulating-networks/ 10:44:22 <V453000> this is the main one 10:44:47 <kuch3n> thanks 10:46:15 <V453000> yw 10:46:20 <V453000> @psgsave 121 10:46:20 <Webster> PSG 121 Archive entry; http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_121_-_130#gameid_121 10:46:33 <V453000> and this is one of the first ones where it has been used in larger scale 10:46:39 <V453000> good to start with :p 10:50:18 <kuch3n> I have to use the old new grf package (invalid train length) ? 10:50:27 <kuch3n> +Do 11:08:58 <V453000> try 7.3 11:21:21 *** Webster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 11:21:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Webster 11:22:21 <V453000> ? 11:25:21 <kuch3n> Cant get it why i have to use Path Signals showing in the wrong way 11:26:48 <kuch3n> Or why it doesnt work :/ 11:27:07 <V453000> trains dont like to go against them 11:27:11 <V453000> so it is like a penalty 11:27:30 <Ammler> V453000: there is no 7.3 to try :-) 11:27:55 <V453000> :< 11:27:59 <Stablean> <kuch3n> How can i solve this? i cant use exit/entry signals here 11:28:33 <Ammler> there is also no 7.3 needed, 8.0 is completely compatible 11:29:31 <V453000> ok 11:29:47 <planetmaker> <kuch3n> I have to use the old new grf package (invalid train length) ? <-- that's a newgrf bug. And older versions won't solve that. Maybe newer of the very same newgrf. But... somehow I murkily remember that that particular newgrf has no updates. 11:29:49 <Ammler> else please report it as a bug :-) 11:30:24 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 11:30:32 <kuch3n> Semms i have to use a other NewGrf 11:34:30 <planetmaker> when creating a new game: yes. When loading a game: don't change anything 11:35:07 <planetmaker> changing anything on an existing game will make things worse. Up to the point the whole thing goes bye bye into nirvana 11:41:30 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 11:46:59 <Ammler> adding is mostly not a problem, removing is 12:09:16 <planetmaker> with emphasis on 'mostly' 12:14:10 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 12:19:58 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 12:19:58 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 12:21:56 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (connection lost) 12:31:00 <Ammler> yes, and replacing includes removing :-) 12:43:51 <planetmaker> even adding can be a problem if in turn another newgrf decides to play the 'I don't like the new one, I disable myself' card 12:43:54 <planetmaker> which can well happen 12:53:03 <Ammler> yep, but that you should see 12:59:27 <planetmaker> how? 12:59:35 <planetmaker> (before it's too late) 13:02:16 <Stablean> *** greenlion joined the game 13:02:39 <Ammler> how can it be too late? 13:02:48 <Ammler> you go back to your save 13:03:37 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 13:23:33 <Stablean> *** greenlion has left the game (connection lost) 13:37:12 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 13:37:24 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 13:37:24 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 13:47:58 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has joined spectators 14:04:52 <kuch3n> Can someone destroy a piece of track which is unused 14:18:25 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 14:18:58 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 14:18:58 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 14:30:15 <Stablean> *** {jor[D]1} joined the game 14:48:32 *** Vitus has joined #openttdcoop.stable 14:49:13 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has joined company #3 14:53:45 <Stablean> *** jor[D]1 has left the game (connection lost) 14:57:34 <Stablean> *** Chimera joined the game 15:00:01 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:00:05 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 15:00:07 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:02:47 <Ammler> kuch3n: you can destroy every piece of tracks... 15:03:40 <Stablean> *** Chimera has left the game (connection lost) 15:05:18 <kuch3n> Ammler: Its not owned by me :p 15:05:50 <Ammler> well, obviously not then :-) 15:09:30 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has joined spectators 15:09:46 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has left the game (connection lost) 15:09:59 <greenlion> !date 15:09:59 <Stablean> greenlion: 17 Jul 2091 15:10:09 <greenlion> kuch3n, whose track is it? 15:11:08 <kuch3n> mks 15:15:09 <Stablean> *** Vinnie joined the game 15:15:19 <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey all 15:18:10 <Stablean> *** Vinnie has left the game (connection lost) 15:28:43 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 15:29:34 <Stablean> <Mks> what track did you want? 15:29:36 <Stablean> <Mks> removed? 15:34:42 <Stablean> <kuch3n> @ !here 15:35:00 <Stablean> <Mks> thats not myh track 15:35:01 <Stablean> <Mks> its 15:35:04 <Stablean> <Mks> Vs track 15:35:23 <Stablean> <kuch3n> oh :) 15:35:35 <kuch3n> V453000: Are u there? 15:48:15 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer joined the game 16:00:57 <V453000> yes 16:01:07 <kuch3n> just solved :) 16:01:21 <planetmaker> he is always 'there'. Just the definition of 'there' varies ;-) 16:01:29 <V453000> :D 16:03:10 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 16:03:21 <Stablean> <V453000> elo 16:03:31 <Stablean> <kuch3n> hi 16:03:50 <Stablean> <kuch3n> Using four Signals for a 9 Track Station 16:04:12 <Stablean> <V453000> ? 16:04:26 <Stablean> <kuch3n> Frundworth Mines 16:05:08 <Stablean> <V453000> :/ 16:05:12 <Stablean> <kuch3n> ? 16:05:30 <Stablean> <V453000> I dont like it :) 16:05:45 <Stablean> <kuch3n> Not Crazy enough? :D 16:07:37 *** Vitus has quit IRC 16:07:55 <Stablean> <V453000> kind of :( 16:12:29 *** Timmaexx has joined #openttdcoop.stable 16:12:58 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (connection lost) 16:14:43 *** Vitus_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 16:17:27 <Stablean> *** V453000 #1 joined the game 16:17:40 *** Vitus__ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 16:18:11 <Stablean> <kuch3n> why i cant build huge stations like in New Sleburg? 16:18:11 *** Vitus__ has quit IRC 16:18:27 <Stablean> <V453000 #1> ? 16:18:35 <Stablean> *** V453000 #1 has changed his/her name to V453000 16:18:47 <Stablean> <kuch3n> Cant join the Stations 16:19:07 <Stablean> <V453000> station spread 16:19:26 <Stablean> <kuch3n> This is a marginal Station spread, isnt it? 16:19:57 <Stablean> *** greenlion joined the game 16:20:03 <Stablean> <V453000> ? 16:20:17 <Stablean> <kuch3n> Did you had a look at New Sleburg? 16:20:31 <Stablean> <V453000> I see it 16:21:22 <V453000> !getsave http://blog.openttdcoop.org/files/blog/V453000/StableArc05.sav 16:21:23 <Stablean> V453000: OK :-) 16:21:24 <V453000> !rcon ls 16:21:24 <Stablean> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory) 16:21:24 <Stablean> V453000: 1) StableArc05.sav 16:21:25 <Stablean> V453000: 2) StableTemp12fix.sav 16:21:25 <Stablean> V453000: 3) StableTemp12.sav 16:21:25 <Stablean> V453000: 4) StableTemp11.sav 16:21:25 <Stablean> V453000: you have 63 more messages 16:21:39 <Stablean> <V453000> good ... any thoughts about a reset? :) 16:21:49 <Stablean> <kuch3n> A flatten one pls :p 16:21:56 <planetmaker> boooring 16:22:04 <Stablean> <V453000> map is ready and it isnt flat :p 16:22:07 <planetmaker> you can have flat toyland :-D 16:22:24 <V453000> toyland isnt that insane with opengfx :p 16:22:30 <V453000> mountainous toyland still 16:22:34 <planetmaker> :-) 16:22:34 <greenlion> reset is a radical way to removing unused track pieces :p 16:22:45 <V453000> !rcon load 1 16:22:47 <planetmaker> if's 100% effective, though 16:22:51 *** Vitus_ has quit IRC 16:22:53 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players) 16:22:55 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer joined the game 16:22:56 <V453000> and reliable :) 16:22:57 <Stablean> *** kuch3n joined the game 16:23:01 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 16:23:03 <Stablean> *** greenlion joined the game 16:23:05 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 16:23:07 <Stablean> *** greenlion has started a new company (#2) 16:23:09 <V453000> !rcon reset_company 1 16:23:09 <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted. 16:23:13 <V453000> !rcon unpause 16:23:15 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (manual) 16:23:16 <V453000> have fun :) 16:24:39 <greenlion> aha, 100 more RVs :) 16:24:54 <greenlion> why 0 ships, by the way? 16:25:52 <Stablean> *** sharpy joined the game 16:26:54 <planetmaker> hm... we should update to 1.0.4 :-) 16:32:57 <Stablean> *** kuch3n has started a new company (#3) 16:33:35 <Stablean> *** David joined the game 16:35:04 <planetmaker> so people, better get 1.0.4 fast ;-) 16:39:41 <Stablean> <sharpy> is competition allowed? 16:40:19 <Stablean> <greenlion> rules don't say otherwise :) 16:40:37 <Stablean> <sharpy> fair go 16:43:23 <Stablean> <V453000> David: careful about 90 degree turns :) trains will not go through these 16:43:31 <V453000> !rcon set max_roadveh 200 16:45:05 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 16:46:10 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx joined the game 16:46:55 <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Last minutes to play 1.0.4-RC1 :) 16:51:13 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx has started a new company (#5) 16:52:02 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has started a new company (#6) 16:52:32 <planetmaker> quite the last minutes indeed ;-) 16:56:24 <Stablean> *** {jor[D]1} joined the game 16:56:28 <Stablean> <greenlion> bridges over the water are quite expensive, hehe 16:56:45 <Stablean> *** David has joined company #7 16:57:15 <Stablean> *** jor[D]1 has left the game (leaving) 16:57:19 <Stablean> *** David has left the game (leaving) 17:08:57 <Stablean> *** Mks has started a new company (#7) 17:09:47 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx has left the game (leaving) 17:11:14 <Stablean> *** MrMouthy joined the game 17:11:21 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi 17:11:29 <Stablean> <greenlion> hi MrMouthy 17:11:39 <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Aint been here in a while :P 17:14:14 <Stablean> *** MrMouthy has left the game (leaving) 17:20:13 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 17:21:01 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#9) 17:23:01 <Stablean> *** sharpy has left the game (leaving) 17:25:56 <Stablean> <greenlion> woo, train crash 17:26:48 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 17:28:10 <kuch3n> V453000: Can u reset my company pls? 17:28:18 <V453000> !companies 17:28:20 <Stablean> V453000: Company 1 (Blue): sharpy Transport 17:28:21 <Stablean> V453000: Company 2 (Green): greenlion Transport 17:28:21 <Stablean> V453000: Company 3 (Pink): kuch3n Transport 17:28:21 <Stablean> V453000: Company 4 (Red): David Transport 17:28:21 <Stablean> V453000: Company 5 (Orange): Timmaexx Transport 17:28:21 <Stablean> V453000: Company 6 (Yellow): DayDreamer Transport 17:28:22 <Stablean> V453000: Company 7 (Cream): Mks Transport 17:28:23 <Stablean> V453000: Company 9 (Brown): Fort Tronhill City Transport 17:28:27 <V453000> !sure but leave it first :p 17:28:32 <Stablean> *** kuch3n has joined spectators 17:28:33 <V453000> !rcon reset_company 3 17:28:33 <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted. 17:28:38 <Stablean> <kuch3n> ty 17:28:40 <V453000> yw 17:28:46 <Stablean> *** kuch3n has started a new company (#3) 17:31:22 <Ammler> still no 1.0.4? 17:40:12 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 17:40:50 <planetmaker> !rcon save upgrade 17:40:50 <Stablean> planetmaker: Saving map... 17:40:51 <Stablean> planetmaker: Map successfully saved to upgrade.sav 17:40:58 <planetmaker> folks, update version! 17:41:01 <planetmaker> !rcon exit 17:41:02 <Stablean> Server has exited 17:41:02 *** Stablean has quit IRC 17:41:10 <greenlion> oops 17:41:11 <kuch3n> !help 17:41:21 <Ammler> planetmaker: :-( 17:41:24 <kuch3n> !dl lin64 17:41:26 <greenlion> ah, an update 17:41:30 <kuch3n> mhh 17:41:34 <Ammler> nobody likes to use my nice features :-P 17:41:48 <kuch3n> !ammler dl lin64 17:41:53 <kuch3n> mhh, doesnt work either 17:42:36 <planetmaker> of course it doesn't, kuch3n 17:42:44 *** Stablean has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:42:44 <Stablean> Autopilot engaged 17:42:44 <Stablean> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Server (www.openttdcoop.org)' 17:42:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Stablean 17:42:47 <planetmaker> no server, no response ;-) 17:43:21 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 17:43:22 <Stablean> *** greenlion joined the game 17:43:33 <kuch3n> !dl lin64 17:43:33 <Stablean> kuch3n: http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.0.4/openttd-1.0.4-linux-generic-amd64.tar.bz2 17:43:58 <planetmaker> @topic change 0 s/-RC1// 17:44:03 <planetmaker> @topic change 1 s/-RC1// 17:44:03 *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome server. OpenTTD 1.0.4 | Admin channel (ask for op) | run !screen | IF you prepare map, read http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Map_Preparation | Todo on next restart: lower screenshot frequency" 17:44:30 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer joined the game 17:44:32 <Stablean> <DayDreamer> omg 17:44:38 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has joined company #6 17:44:39 <planetmaker> hm? 17:45:04 <Stablean> *** kuch3n joined the game 17:45:51 <Stablean> *** planetm4ker joined the game 17:46:07 <Mks> wich version 17:46:13 <Mks> 1.04 or 1.04 rc1? 17:46:16 <kuch3n> 1.04 17:48:00 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 17:51:25 <Stablean> *** trainel joined the game 17:51:37 <Stablean> <trainel> hola 17:56:39 <Timmaexx> !dl lin64 17:56:39 <Stablean> Timmaexx: http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.0.4/openttd-1.0.4-linux-generic-amd64.tar.bz2 17:56:42 <Stablean> *** trainel has started a new company (#8) 17:57:28 <Stablean> *** planetm4ker has left the game (leaving) 18:00:57 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx joined the game 18:06:46 <Stablean> *** Timmaexx has left the game (leaving) 18:06:55 *** Timmaexx has quit IRC 18:06:56 <Stablean> *** hopt joined the game 18:14:13 <Stablean> *** Emiel joined the game 18:17:15 <Stablean> *** trainel has left the game (leaving) 18:17:19 <Stablean> *** Emiel has left the game (connection lost) 18:20:21 *** leg3nd has quit IRC 18:24:42 <Stablean> *** wesper (NL) joined the game 18:25:15 <Stablean> *** wesper (NL) has joined company #1 18:38:22 <kuch3n> how can i delete a train from a shared order? 18:39:02 <Stablean> <greenlion> kuch3n: select "end of shared orders" and delete - it will clear the list 18:39:02 <planetmaker> delete the 'shared' line 18:40:16 <kuch3n> I dont get it :/ 18:40:34 <kuch3n> now i got it :D 19:22:47 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 19:23:09 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:23:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 19:35:15 <Stablean> *** Plop joined the game 19:36:16 <Stablean> *** Plop has left the game (leaving) 19:41:44 <Stablean> *** wesper (NL) has left the game (connection lost) 19:43:14 <Stablean> *** wesper (NL) joined the game 19:44:02 *** ^Spike^ has quit IRC 19:45:03 *** ^Spike^ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:45:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ^Spike^ 19:59:22 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 20:11:16 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 20:11:19 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:11:20 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 20:14:49 <Stablean> *** Acropolips joined the game 20:16:38 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has left the game (leaving) 20:17:02 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has joined spectators 20:17:12 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has left the game (leaving) 20:17:42 <Stablean> *** R joined the game 20:18:50 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 20:19:02 <Stablean> <R> wtf 20:19:05 <Stablean> <R> no coop here 20:22:01 <V453000> you can coop with someone :o people here are friendly 20:22:15 <Stablean> <R> i thought it will be one massive company 20:22:17 <Stablean> <R> with huge network 20:23:23 <greenlion> R, look at "public server" 20:30:53 <planetmaker> This is just our welcome server; but basically anyone can play as they like 20:31:10 <planetmaker> the real server runs a nightly and is called PublicServer 20:31:21 <planetmaker> join IRC on oftc.net, channel #openttdcoop 20:31:40 <Stablean> <R> k thx for info 20:33:04 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to NurikSakura 20:33:08 <Stablean> *** Giddorah joined the game 20:34:26 <Stablean> *** Giddorah has left the game (leaving) 20:34:58 <Stablean> *** wesper (NL) has left the game (leaving) 20:35:53 <Stablean> <Acropolips> can someone help me see whats wrong with my track 20:35:56 <Stablean> <Acropolips> cant find the problem :s 20:36:16 <Stablean> <greenlion> what's the problem? 20:36:22 <Stablean> <Acropolips> trains wont go 20:36:28 <Stablean> <Acropolips> something is blocking 20:36:38 <Stablean> <Acropolips> help me find it? ive been looking for the past 10 minutes 20:36:56 <Stablean> <hopt> u can't make a 90 degree turn 20:37:02 <Stablean> <greenlion> you is missing piece of rail before depot 20:37:16 <Stablean> <Acropolips> make me a sign please? 20:37:17 <Stablean> <greenlion> and yes, you can't make 90 deg turns 20:37:46 <Stablean> <Acropolips> you cant do that in this server? 20:38:00 <Stablean> <greenlion> yes, that's the settings 20:38:27 <Stablean> <Acropolips> depot like this is good? 20:38:37 <Stablean> <greenlion> nope 20:38:49 <Stablean> <Acropolips> there is no 90 degree turn though 20:39:03 <Stablean> <NurikSakura> hello, guys! can you help me with a guide about those train signals? cause I'm looking at all these lines and my mind goes crazy =) 20:39:05 <Stablean> <greenlion> there is no straight rail 20:39:09 <Stablean> <hopt> place the depot in the square I demolished 20:39:32 <Stablean> <Acropolips> but i want my trains go to in there automatically 20:39:38 <Stablean> <Acropolips> which i why i put them like that 20:39:40 <Stablean> <NurikSakura> oh, forgot to say great please ^_^ 20:39:42 <Stablean> <Acropolips> it works in other servers :s 20:39:44 <Stablean> <hopt> http://wiki.openttd.org/Signals 20:39:46 <Stablean> <greenlion> NurikSakura: check the openttd wiki :) 20:40:10 <Stablean> <NurikSakura> I read it, but still have some questions =) 20:40:28 <Stablean> <greenlion> Acropolips: here breakdowns are disabled, so your trains won't need to go to depot 20:40:39 <Stablean> <NurikSakura> english is not my native, so sometimes I don't quite understand what is that written about.. 20:42:39 <Stablean> *** NurikSakura has left the game (leaving) 20:43:42 <Stablean> <Acropolips> are ships disabled? 20:43:42 <Stablean> *** Spike joined the game 20:43:47 <Stablean> <Mks> yes 20:43:49 <Stablean> <Acropolips> kk 20:44:41 <Stablean> <Mks> spike you know how to build logic gates I guess? 20:46:17 <Stablean> <Spike> who... me? 20:46:23 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah 20:46:40 <Stablean> <Spike> depends 20:47:00 <Stablean> <Mks> only know how to sometimes? :) 20:47:14 <Stablean> <Spike> in special situations where i've read the wiki or seen examples :D 20:47:32 <Stablean> <Spike> logic isn't my thing.. :) i'm more for general building hubs or supporting builds :) 20:47:34 <Stablean> <Mks> ahh so not something your an expert of 20:48:40 <Stablean> <Mks> I wana build an SRN network but mm to be honest I don't know how to :) 20:49:13 <Stablean> <Spike> hmmm srnw... 20:49:33 <Stablean> <Spike> it usually starts with a loop :) 20:49:39 <Stablean> <Mks> haha 20:49:41 <Stablean> <Mks> well 20:49:48 <Stablean> <Mks> I could probarbly build the network 20:49:55 <Stablean> <Mks> if you skip the logic gates ans such :P 20:49:59 <Stablean> <Mks> the important stuff :) 20:50:07 <Stablean> <Spike> you don't need logic gates for SRNW 20:50:13 <Stablean> <Spike> can also use dummy feeders 20:50:19 <Stablean> <Spike> requires no logic at all 20:50:49 <Stablean> <Mks> well I know V did both logic stations and dummy feeders but 20:51:07 <Stablean> <Mks> logic seems more fun only need 1 station then 20:51:37 <^Spike^> what you can also do (and what we did in some game) 20:51:40 <^Spike^> have a big loop 20:51:48 <^Spike^> and in that big loop have small loops 20:52:02 <^Spike^> with BBH/SLH or whatever you call it 20:52:09 <^Spike^> leave it.. 20:52:11 <^Spike^> fail plan 20:52:11 <^Spike^> :) 20:52:16 <Stablean> <Mks> hehe 20:53:24 <Stablean> *** Spike has left the game (leaving) 20:53:40 <Stablean> *** MrMouthy joined the game 20:54:59 <Stablean> *** MrMouthy has left the game (leaving) 20:57:52 <Stablean> *** R has left the game (leaving) 21:07:45 <Stablean> *** Acropolips has left the game (leaving) 21:10:40 <Stablean> *** DayDreamer has left the game (leaving) 21:12:43 <Stablean> <hopt> I couldn't find this rule in rules 21:12:58 <Stablean> <hopt> I believe, it's competition 21:13:08 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 21:13:27 *** [com]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:13:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [com]buster 21:13:35 <V453000> ask yourself, do you NEED to steal from others cargoes? 21:14:04 <Stablean> <hopt> what't bad in it? 21:14:37 <Stablean> <hopt> if there was no "stealing" we'd still all ride horse carriages 21:15:35 <Stablean> <Mks> mmm 21:15:47 <Stablean> <Mks> its even worse to steal from a secondary industry 21:16:01 <Stablean> <Mks> without acually delivering anything yourself 21:16:15 <Stablean> <Mks> if you ask me I don't think that is ok 21:16:39 <Stablean> <Mks> cause thats not really competion 21:17:24 <Stablean> <hopt> There's a general rule saying that server rules shouldn't prevent from stealing 21:18:03 <V453000> even with delivering anything it is stupid, Mks ... OpenTTD just doesnt work that way 21:18:22 <Mks> well yeah 21:18:31 <Mks> should be a rule against it :) 21:18:49 <V453000> I am the law :p 21:19:19 <Stablean> *** hopt has left the game (leaving) 21:19:57 <Stablean> <Mks> mm he left? 21:20:17 <Stablean> <Mks> you know when stable is a the normal version its always more ppl playing 21:20:23 <Stablean> <Mks> compared the when the RC was used 21:21:16 <V453000> normal :) 21:21:38 <V453000> but it takes time until people update :p 21:21:40 <Mks> well stable then 21:21:40 <V453000> !playercount 21:21:41 <Stablean> V453000: Number of players: 3 (0 spectators) 21:21:51 <Mks> yeah but lots of new players have started companies 21:22:01 <V453000> !companies 21:22:04 <Stablean> V453000: Company 1 (Orange): NS 21:22:04 <Stablean> V453000: Company 2 (Green): greenlion Transport 21:22:04 <Stablean> V453000: Company 3 (Dark Blue): kuch3n Transport 21:22:04 <Stablean> V453000: Company 4 (Red): David Transport 21:22:05 <Stablean> V453000: Company 5 (Purple): Timmaexx Transport 21:22:05 <Stablean> V453000: Company 6 (Yellow): DayDreamer Transport 21:22:05 <Stablean> V453000: Company 7 (Cream): Mks Transport 21:22:07 <Mks> compared to when RC3 or what it was was used 21:22:07 <Stablean> V453000: Company 8 (White): trainel Transport 21:22:07 <Stablean> V453000: Company 9 (Pale Green): Acropolips Transport 21:22:09 <Stablean> V453000: Company 10 (Pink): hopt Transport 21:22:51 <Mks> so about the "stealing" 21:22:57 <Mks> its allowed but not really liked? 21:24:07 <V453000> depends really 21:24:22 <V453000> if you share a coal mine, who cares ... of course depending on circumstances 21:24:39 <V453000> but if someone just steals 50% of your goods (possibly a noob), I have usually no mercy 21:26:25 <V453000> that is why I dont want to make the rules 21:26:32 <V453000> because it really depends 21:27:07 <Mks> well 21:27:13 <Mks> take a look at hopt 21:27:14 <V453000> and I think that if someone is a normal person who isnt really rude against others, I believe stealing is not really liked 21:27:20 <Mks> if you haven't what do you think of that? 21:27:58 <Stablean> <Mks> well atm he has a jam but you can see the stations 21:28:12 <Stablean> <greenlion> so, to share a coal mine is ok? :) 21:28:26 <Stablean> <Mks> well if you ask V it depends :P 21:28:48 <V453000> seriously, why would you need to share it 21:28:56 <Stablean> <greenlion> like mine Lubourne Bridge Height station 21:29:11 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I've seen that 21:29:12 <V453000> !dl win32 21:29:12 <Stablean> V453000: http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.0.4/openttd-1.0.4-windows-win32.zip 21:29:34 <Stablean> <Mks> its acually 2 coal mines close to each other tho 21:29:48 <Stablean> <greenlion> yep 21:29:59 <Stablean> <Mks> well I think normally its not needed to share coal mines 21:30:06 <Stablean> <Mks> there usually are tons of things not connected 21:30:31 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 21:30:57 <Stablean> <Mks> see signs !share 21:31:02 <Ammler> V453000: there is one rule: do what you allow other to do to you 21:31:27 <V453000> Ammler: quite :) 21:32:04 <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: coal is totally fine with me, goods are absolutely rude imo 21:32:18 <Ammler> and it specially no stealing if you connect to industry serviced from an absent player 21:32:34 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah even tho I would prefer the coal not either but its not that big deal 21:32:58 <Stablean> <V453000> I think primaries could at least grow faster that way 21:33:05 <Stablean> <V453000> but steling from secondaries is disgusting 21:33:11 <Stablean> <Mks> yeah 21:33:28 <Ammler> you shouldn't call it "stealing" :-) 21:33:35 <V453000> it is actually :) 21:33:39 <V453000> what else would it be :) 21:33:40 <Stablean> <Mks> well it is 21:33:45 <Ammler> stealing implicit bad behavior already 21:33:58 <V453000> this is bad behavior 21:34:01 <Ammler> competition :-) 21:34:02 <Stablean> <Mks> well primary might not be stealing really 21:34:20 <Stablean> <Mks> but secondary without acually delivering anything to a factory and taking the goods 21:34:23 <Stablean> <Mks> thats stealing 21:34:28 <V453000> stealing half your goods from factory has nothing to do with nice friendly gameplay :) 21:34:47 <Ammler> Mks: not if you are self too stupid to transport your goods 21:35:00 <V453000> still 21:35:05 <V453000> even if you dont transport them 21:35:07 <V453000> I consider it bad 21:35:12 <Ammler> why? 21:35:14 <Stablean> <Mks> well thats one thing maybe 21:35:36 <Ammler> it is actually a very good starting point 21:35:54 <Ammler> transport goods from someone else :-) 21:35:58 <Stablean> *** V453000 has joined spectators 21:36:07 <Stablean> <Mks> thats just being mean 21:36:26 <V453000> who cares about starthing point :) friendly people here would always borrow you money at that stage of the game already 21:36:28 <Stablean> <Mks> but I mean its ok if you ask the company feeding the factory 21:36:48 <Stablean> <Mks> like V sawmill 21:36:55 <Stablean> <Mks> tho it was impossible to get close to it :) 21:38:20 <V453000> well sure 21:38:28 <V453000> thats someting different :) 21:38:38 <Ammler> V453000: if you like to be nice, you can play coop :-) 21:38:49 <V453000> coop has nothing to do with it :) 21:39:02 <Ammler> what is the sense to play nice with different companies? 21:39:08 <V453000> why not 21:39:28 <V453000> rather, why would you need to sabotage others 21:39:49 <Ammler> nono, that is not what i mean 21:39:53 <V453000> 99.9% people here should rather focus on improving their own network :) 21:40:42 <Stablean> <greenlion> wondering who is remainder 0.01%... 21:40:43 <Ammler> if you like to play nice, you could use the head2head server 21:41:10 <V453000> no need for that :) 21:41:16 <V453000> but yes, that is kind of the style 21:41:24 <V453000> but here you can still "touch" 21:42:03 <V453000> and since stealing makes only hate, I cant support it 21:42:51 <V453000> and I think we have enough polite and intelligent people here to be friendly :) 21:43:06 <Stablean> <Mks> most ppl here are friendly 21:43:10 <Ammler> we need a "hate" server 21:43:14 <Stablean> <Mks> usually when new people enters 21:43:16 <Stablean> <Mks> lol 21:43:18 <Ammler> there is too much love in openttd 21:43:23 <Stablean> <Mks> why do you want a hate server 21:43:29 <Ammler> :-) 21:43:33 <Stablean> <Mks> noone would play there :P 21:43:34 <Stablean> *** Florian(NL) joined the game 21:43:58 <Ammler> there was once a DEATHMATCH server 21:44:07 <Stablean> <Mks> ohh how did that work? 21:44:22 <Ammler> you were allowed to do whatever you like to win 21:44:34 <Stablean> <Mks> like even block other players? 21:44:44 <Ammler> yes, mainly that 21:44:44 <Stablean> <Mks> buy land next to station and stuff? 21:45:17 <Stablean> <Mks> so did that server have alot of players? 21:45:20 <V453000> Ammler: go code OpenTTD as a FPS super-gore shooter :P except instead of gore there would be trains and rails 21:45:24 <Ammler> you terraformed to waterlevel, build bridges, so others really weren't able to transfer 21:47:45 <Stablean> <Mks> V did you finnish your station in last game? 21:49:02 <V453000> no 21:49:10 <V453000> the network was left unfinished :) 21:49:25 <Mks> ahh 21:49:54 <Stablean> <V453000> I tested what I needed to know 21:50:03 <Mks> I see 21:50:05 <Stablean> <V453000> so I quite didnt really need to finish it completely 21:50:40 <Mks> you can't start out a game by build a SRN right? you need to make some money first? 21:50:48 <Stablean> <V453000> I could 21:50:52 <Stablean> <V453000> no problem really 21:51:10 <Stablean> <V453000> depends of course 21:51:22 <Stablean> <Mks> well I mean you need some "dummy" trains 21:51:26 <Stablean> <V453000> the one I did last time wasnt really possible to do from the very start 21:51:35 <Stablean> <V453000> well you can have dummies even from the start 21:51:41 <Stablean> <V453000> no matter really 21:51:50 <Stablean> <Mks> they do cost some moeny 21:52:02 <Stablean> <V453000> depends on train set of course 21:52:08 <Stablean> <V453000> but it is possible with most of them 21:52:29 <Stablean> <V453000> and in the beginning trains usually are cheap so you should really be able to easily start off with SRNW 21:52:53 <Stablean> <V453000> althouth if you are making something more complicated that reacts all on itself like in a cycle, you basically cant do that usually :) 21:53:11 <Stablean> <Mks> thats what you did right? 21:53:29 <Stablean> <V453000> quite 21:53:45 <Stablean> <V453000> see for example PSG 180 21:53:57 <Stablean> <V453000> we were building for at least 2 weeks before the first trains ran 21:54:04 <Stablean> <Mks> wow 21:54:08 *** ODM has quit IRC 21:54:16 <Stablean> <V453000> just because the main lines needed to be ready 21:54:16 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (connection lost) 21:55:50 <Mks> ahh 21:55:54 <Stablean> *** Mks joined the game 21:56:18 <Stablean> <V453000> sure, it was insane, but I think that is the true SRNW :) 21:56:30 <Stablean> <V453000> like ... totally self everything :) 21:56:46 <Mks> hehe 21:56:57 <Mks> !date 21:56:58 <Stablean> Mks: 1 Jan 1953 21:57:50 <Mks> I want to build a simple SRNW but not really sure where to start 21:58:08 <Stablean> <V453000> seen psg 121? 21:58:18 <Stablean> <V453000> if not, see that one 21:58:24 <Stablean> <V453000> there it is quite simple 21:58:34 <Stablean> <Mks> I never seen a simple PS game :) 21:58:40 <Stablean> <V453000> sure 21:58:54 <Stablean> <V453000> but in terms of SRNW basic style ;) 21:58:57 <Stablean> <Mks> I mean it might start out fairly simple but usually quite complex in the end 21:59:25 <Stablean> <V453000> not quite 21:59:32 <Stablean> <V453000> in SRNW the way how it works is kept 21:59:38 <Stablean> <V453000> you just add / enlarge stations 21:59:48 <Stablean> <V453000> which can actually keep their shape too, just be multiplied 22:00:12 <Mks> I see 22:00:36 <Mks> whats the H2H server? 22:01:38 <Stablean> <V453000> a patched server where you can have 2 4 or 8 (I think no more) spaces for players 22:01:41 <Stablean> <V453000> one space = one company 22:01:45 <Mks> mm Dev server and stable server on openttdcoop homepage is the same? 22:01:49 <Stablean> <V453000> and the spaces are exactly the same in the start 22:02:23 <Mks> like you can only build at parts of the map? 22:02:36 <V453000> yes 22:02:48 <V453000> only on your part 22:03:10 <V453000> so everyone has a separate working space, cant be interrupted, and everyone has equal conditions 22:03:27 <Mks> ohh 22:03:57 <Mks> is there a goal like when someone reach it the server ends? 22:04:37 <Stablean> <V453000> well I know only of one game played 22:04:47 <Stablean> <V453000> which was for like 10 years and who reaches .. whatever 22:04:50 <Stablean> <V453000> wins 22:04:52 <Mks> ahhh 22:05:34 <Mks> sounds like luukland servers except you don't have your own space there but its like 10 years then the game ends at least on the city builder servers 22:05:58 <V453000> luukland servers are super noob 22:06:03 <Mks> haha 22:06:24 <Mks> why are they super noob? 22:06:47 <V453000> you ever seen it? 22:06:52 <Mks> yeah I've played there 22:07:01 <V453000> world treasury of noobness reigns there from what I have seen 22:07:05 <Mks> luukland got angry on me cause I mentioned openttcoop 22:07:13 <Stablean> <V453000> lol 22:08:06 <Mks> well I know most networks are quite n00bish on his server 22:08:36 <Mks> also the CB server even tho I kinda of like the concept of the CB I am not really into building stuff as fast as possible to be able to win 22:10:00 <V453000> I have never seen a person who would actually be a tiny pinch better than an utter noob on a goal server 22:10:04 <V453000> especially city builders 22:11:21 <Mks> the thing I like on the CB server is kinda of neat you need to deliver X amount of that and whatever 22:11:28 <Mks> to acually make the town grow 22:12:03 <Mks> thought I would like do that where it doesn't end after 10 years and can continue to make a nice support network for the town 22:12:35 <V453000> well ... you can play that anywere 22:12:48 <V453000> but the very concept of the reset in every 3 hours and hurry hurry, as noob as possible ... 22:13:00 <Mks> that I can agree to 22:13:38 <Mks> well more like how luukland server patched the CB server you can't really play that anywhere :) 22:13:46 <Mks> but I am not to fond of the 3 hour reset 22:14:10 <Mks> I think the stable server is nice no set reset time and uses lots of nice newgrf 22:14:49 <Stablean> <V453000> I wouldnt compare this server to others :p 22:16:40 <V453000> people here are so different and it is the only server with proper config where trains dont reverse on signals and such 22:17:18 <Mks> most ppl who play on stable doesn't play on PS thought? 22:18:14 <V453000> nobody I know 22:18:19 <V453000> or rarely 22:19:11 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 22:19:25 <Mks> well you play on PS I guess? 22:19:30 <Mks> and stable :) 22:19:52 <V453000> and pz :p 22:20:16 <Mks> hehe 22:21:06 <V453000> as normal ... there are games on PS I dont even play a bit, there are games when I am there all days like psg 180 or 186 22:22:19 <Stablean> *** Florian(NL) has left the game (leaving) 22:24:27 <Mks> ahh 22:24:28 <Mks> well 22:24:31 <Mks> this game now on PS 22:24:34 <Mks> its your plan right? 22:24:37 <V453000> no 22:24:51 <V453000> I only have there the goods producing area 22:24:52 <Mks> ahh kriokamera 22:24:58 <V453000> Combuster :p 22:25:02 <Mks> you have only added tons of signs :) 22:25:21 <V453000> : 22:25:22 <V453000> ) 22:25:40 <Mks> some stations seem way over sized 22:26:37 <V453000> almost all of them actually 22:27:40 <Mks> hehe 22:28:14 <Mks> the game is at the end? I mean seems mostly polishing going on? 22:29:04 <V453000> I think so 22:29:16 <V453000> although I cant say I consider it successfully finished :) 22:29:57 <V453000> plan flaws are visible too much and you cant really do that much about it now 22:30:24 <Stablean> *** kuch3n has left the game (connection lost) 22:30:37 <Mks> ahh 22:30:46 <Mks> the plan seems to be deleted so don't know what it is 22:30:52 <Mks> only that kriokamera plan is left 22:31:07 <Mks> never mind found it 22:31:13 <V453000> srsly 22:31:14 *** kuch3n_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 22:31:15 <V453000> ye 22:33:41 <Mks> what flaws are there in the plan? 22:33:55 <V453000> traffic spread 22:34:01 <V453000> north = nothing 22:34:04 <V453000> south = low 22:34:13 <V453000> west = total overload 22:34:31 <V453000> from the connections in the plan it is quite easy to predict imo 22:35:17 <Mks> ahh yeah true 22:35:26 <Mks> not to good to combine coal with anything 22:35:54 <Mks> at least not with something thats both pickup and drop 22:36:02 <V453000> coal doesnt need to be a problem :) 22:36:12 <V453000> coal actually is one of the least dangerous cargoes 22:36:16 <V453000> wood is 22:36:27 <Mks> ohh 22:36:30 <V453000> coal doesnt produce anything 22:36:35 <Mks> ahh true 22:36:43 <Mks> but coal still tend to be alot 22:37:10 <V453000> can 22:37:12 <V453000> doesnt need to 22:37:16 <V453000> only if you overload it 22:37:22 <V453000> which is easy to do with any other industry as ewll 22:37:44 <V453000> coal is only considered as a majority cargo because most people start with it so it has the most time to grow 22:37:52 <Mks> ahh 22:37:56 <V453000> which is a hugely wrong though 22:37:57 <V453000> t 22:38:08 <V453000> in coop where we treat it as all other cargoes, it rather tends to be lower 22:38:16 *** kuch3n has quit IRC 22:38:30 <V453000> for example quite classic is to combine two weaker cargoes - iron ore and coal 22:38:42 <V453000> depends on the map 22:38:52 <Mks> why is iron or weaker then wood? 22:39:17 <V453000> wood in temperate is normal 22:39:57 <Mks> well I did only iron ore last game here 22:40:06 <Mks> well steel and goods also but only from the iron ore 22:40:21 <Mks> I had only 4 mines and ended up with around 400 trains 22:40:38 <Mks> even tho 4 more mines from other companies did feed my steel mill 22:44:26 <V453000> sure 22:44:29 <V453000> any cargo can get high 22:44:47 <V453000> but with some scenarios some get higher 22:45:04 <V453000> in temperate with low water it is really balanced with exception of oil 22:45:24 <V453000> in arctic wood is always strong, farms depend on how much lowlands there is 22:45:57 <V453000> tropic is quite different so I wouldnt discuss that :) 22:47:26 <Mks> mm considering only 1000 trains in the PS game atm the lines are way overbuilt, but I guess its planned to run a long time still so it will be another 1000 trains? 22:47:42 <V453000> no 22:48:02 <V453000> this is almost over :) 22:48:10 <Mks> and only 1000 trains? 22:48:25 <V453000> I would expect a bit more like up to 1300 22:49:22 <Mks> still not that many trains on that network 22:49:40 <Mks> though I guess the plan flaw is an issue cause parts of the network will get overloaded 22:50:32 <Mks> hardly any trains on your SLH02 :( 22:55:14 *** [com]buster has quit IRC 22:55:17 *** [alt]buster has joined #openttdcoop.stable 22:55:18 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 22:59:44 *** ^Spike^ has quit IRC 23:19:43 <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving) 23:34:13 <Stablean> *** sharpy joined the game 23:35:25 <Stablean> <sharpy> someones stolen my company 23:35:29 <Stablean> <sharpy> not happy 23:35:57 <greenlion> :( and V453000 seem to be away 23:38:25 <Stablean> *** sharpy has left the game (connection lost) 23:49:27 *** KenjiE20 has quit IRC 23:50:17 <SmatZ> :( 23:51:00 <SmatZ> what happened 23:51:01 <SmatZ> ? 23:52:25 <greenlion> SmatZ, ask sharpy (he is on main channel). I guess his company didn't had a password and somebody came in and setup password / did some other nasty things 23:55:00 <SmatZ> people should set passwords :-/ 23:55:05 <Stablean> *** sharpy joined the game 23:55:09 <Stablean> <sharpy> the one called NS 23:55:32 <Stablean> <sharpy> that was mine, i left it for a few hours and i came back just now to find it with different password and colours 23:55:43 <SmatZ> :( 23:55:57 <SmatZ> not sure if anything can be done now 23:56:05 <Stablean> <sharpy> nah no point 23:56:11 <Stablean> <sharpy> it happened last game too 23:56:20 <SmatZ> don't forget to set a password :p 23:56:31 <Stablean> <sharpy> i did! thats the baffling thing 23:56:49 <Stablean> <sharpy> why would someone crack my password just to use an ottd company 23:56:54 <SmatZ> hmm 23:57:01 <greenlion> may be a bot? 23:57:08 <SmatZ> maybe there was a server restart 23:57:12 <Stablean> <sharpy> might be i guess 23:57:14 <SmatZ> so passwords were reset 23:57:20 <Stablean> <sharpy> ah that might be it 23:57:25 <SmatZ> there was when game was updated to 1.0.4 23:57:26 <greenlion> nope, there weren't restart 23:57:26 <Stablean> <sharpy> the version changed 23:57:29 <SmatZ> :/ 23:57:45 <Stablean> <sharpy> odd 23:57:47 <Stablean> <sharpy> h 23:57:55 <greenlion> ah, yeah. right. in the beginning 23:57:57 <Stablean> <sharpy> they've done some mods too so its not all bad 23:57:58 <SmatZ> :( 23:58:27 <SmatZ> !rcon set autoclean_unprotected 23:58:27 <Stablean> SmatZ: Current value for 'autoclean_unprotected' is: '0' (min: (0) 0, max: 240) 23:58:30 <Stablean> <sharpy> some horrific CL issues but meh 23:58:33 <SmatZ> :) 23:58:45 <Stablean> <sharpy> will try and set a better password next time 23:59:08 <SmatZ> ok, if you don't see that as a big problem :) 23:59:25 <Stablean> <sharpy> if it happens again i might be a bit annoyed :p