Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 14th September 2010:
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08:22:28  <Stablean> <Zxilix> Could someone explain to me what the circles with trains going round are by the sawmill?
08:26:09  <kuch3n> SRN
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09:18:23  <kuch3n> Something left to do here?
09:18:34  <Ammler> !playercount
09:18:34  <Stablean> Ammler: Number of players: 2 (0 spectators)
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10:28:08  <Stablean> <kuch3n> fuck
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10:38:15  <V453000> !date
10:38:15  <Stablean> V453000: 10 Jan 2073
10:39:04  <kuch3n> V453000: Do you restart soon?
10:39:14  <V453000> today
10:39:27  <V453000> like 18:00 CET
10:39:44  <kuch3n> 20:00 gmt+2?
10:39:49  <V453000> mby sooner
10:40:02  <V453000> 20:00 gmt+3
10:43:04  <kuch3n> Is there a blog for the SRN System?
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10:43:52  <V453000> @blog SRNW
10:43:56  <Webster> Search Result for SRNW at #openttdcoop -
10:44:18  <V453000>
10:44:22  <V453000> this is the main one
10:44:47  <kuch3n> thanks
10:46:15  <V453000> yw
10:46:20  <V453000> @psgsave 121
10:46:20  <Webster> PSG 121 Archive entry;
10:46:33  <V453000> and this is one of the first ones where it has been used in larger scale
10:46:39  <V453000> good to start with :p
10:50:18  <kuch3n> I have to use the old new grf package (invalid train length) ?
10:50:27  <kuch3n> +Do
11:08:58  <V453000> try 7.3
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11:22:21  <V453000> ?
11:25:21  <kuch3n> Cant get it why i have to use Path Signals showing in the wrong way
11:26:48  <kuch3n> Or why it doesnt work :/
11:27:07  <V453000> trains dont like to go against them
11:27:11  <V453000> so it is like a penalty
11:27:30  <Ammler> V453000: there is no 7.3 to try :-)
11:27:55  <V453000> :<
11:27:59  <Stablean> <kuch3n> How can i  solve this? i cant use exit/entry signals here
11:28:33  <Ammler> there is also no 7.3 needed, 8.0 is completely compatible
11:29:31  <V453000> ok
11:29:47  <planetmaker> <kuch3n> I have to use the old new grf package (invalid train length) ? <-- that's a newgrf bug. And older versions won't solve that. Maybe newer of the very same newgrf. But... somehow I murkily remember that that particular newgrf has no updates.
11:29:49  <Ammler> else please report it as a bug :-)
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11:30:32  <kuch3n> Semms i have to use a other NewGrf
11:34:30  <planetmaker> when creating a new game: yes. When loading a game: don't change anything
11:35:07  <planetmaker> changing anything on an existing game will make things worse. Up to the point the whole thing goes bye bye into nirvana
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11:46:59  <Ammler> adding is mostly not a problem, removing is
12:09:16  <planetmaker> with emphasis on 'mostly'
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12:31:00  <Ammler> yes, and replacing includes removing :-)
12:43:51  <planetmaker> even adding can be a problem if in turn another newgrf decides to play the 'I don't like the new one, I disable myself' card
12:43:54  <planetmaker> which can well happen
12:53:03  <Ammler> yep, but that you should see
12:59:27  <planetmaker> how?
12:59:35  <planetmaker> (before it's too late)
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13:02:39  <Ammler> how can it be too late?
13:02:48  <Ammler> you go back to your save
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14:04:52  <kuch3n> Can someone destroy a piece of track which is unused
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15:02:47  <Ammler> kuch3n: you can destroy every piece of tracks...
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15:05:18  <kuch3n> Ammler: Its not owned by me :p
15:05:50  <Ammler> well, obviously not then :-)
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15:09:59  <greenlion> !date
15:09:59  <Stablean> greenlion: 17 Jul 2091
15:10:09  <greenlion> kuch3n, whose track is it?
15:11:08  <kuch3n> mks
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15:15:19  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey all
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15:29:34  <Stablean> <Mks> what track did you want?
15:29:36  <Stablean> <Mks> removed?
15:34:42  <Stablean> <kuch3n> @ !here
15:35:00  <Stablean> <Mks> thats not myh track
15:35:01  <Stablean> <Mks> its
15:35:04  <Stablean> <Mks> Vs track
15:35:23  <Stablean> <kuch3n> oh :)
15:35:35  <kuch3n> V453000: Are u there?
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16:00:57  <V453000> yes
16:01:07  <kuch3n> just solved :)
16:01:21  <planetmaker> he is always 'there'. Just the definition of 'there' varies ;-)
16:01:29  <V453000> :D
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16:03:21  <Stablean> <V453000> elo
16:03:31  <Stablean> <kuch3n> hi
16:03:50  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Using four Signals for a 9 Track Station
16:04:12  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
16:04:26  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Frundworth Mines
16:05:08  <Stablean> <V453000> :/
16:05:12  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ?
16:05:30  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont like it :)
16:05:45  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Not Crazy enough? :D
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16:07:55  <Stablean> <V453000> kind of :(
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16:18:11  <Stablean> <kuch3n> why i cant build huge stations like in New Sleburg?
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16:18:27  <Stablean> <V453000 #1> ?
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16:18:47  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Cant join the Stations
16:19:07  <Stablean> <V453000> station spread
16:19:26  <Stablean> <kuch3n> This is a marginal Station spread, isnt it?
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16:20:03  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
16:20:17  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Did you had a look at New Sleburg?
16:20:31  <Stablean> <V453000> I see it
16:21:22  <V453000> !getsave
16:21:23  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
16:21:24  <V453000> !rcon ls
16:21:24  <Stablean> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory)
16:21:24  <Stablean> V453000: 1) StableArc05.sav
16:21:25  <Stablean> V453000: 2) StableTemp12fix.sav
16:21:25  <Stablean> V453000: 3) StableTemp12.sav
16:21:25  <Stablean> V453000: 4) StableTemp11.sav
16:21:25  <Stablean> V453000: you have 63 more messages
16:21:39  <Stablean> <V453000> good ... any thoughts about a reset? :)
16:21:49  <Stablean> <kuch3n> A flatten one pls :p
16:21:56  <planetmaker> boooring
16:22:04  <Stablean> <V453000> map is ready and it isnt flat :p
16:22:07  <planetmaker> you can have flat toyland :-D
16:22:24  <V453000> toyland isnt that insane with opengfx :p
16:22:30  <V453000> mountainous toyland still
16:22:34  <planetmaker> :-)
16:22:34  <greenlion> reset is a radical way to removing unused track pieces :p
16:22:45  <V453000> !rcon load 1
16:22:47  <planetmaker> if's 100% effective, though
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16:22:56  <V453000> and reliable :)
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16:23:09  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 1
16:23:09  <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted.
16:23:13  <V453000> !rcon unpause
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16:23:16  <V453000> have fun :)
16:24:39  <greenlion> aha, 100 more RVs :)
16:24:54  <greenlion> why 0 ships, by the way?
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16:26:54  <planetmaker> hm... we should update to 1.0.4 :-)
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16:35:04  <planetmaker> so people, better get 1.0.4 fast ;-)
16:39:41  <Stablean> <sharpy> is competition allowed?
16:40:19  <Stablean> <greenlion> rules don't say otherwise :)
16:40:37  <Stablean> <sharpy> fair go
16:43:23  <Stablean> <V453000> David: careful about 90 degree turns :) trains will not go through these
16:43:31  <V453000> !rcon set max_roadveh 200
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16:46:55  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Last minutes to play 1.0.4-RC1 :)
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16:52:32  <planetmaker> quite the last minutes indeed ;-)
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16:56:28  <Stablean> <greenlion> bridges over the water are quite expensive, hehe
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17:11:21  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Hi
17:11:29  <Stablean> <greenlion> hi MrMouthy
17:11:39  <Stablean> <MrMouthy> Aint been here in a while :P
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17:25:56  <Stablean> <greenlion> woo, train crash
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17:28:10  <kuch3n> V453000: Can u reset my company pls?
17:28:18  <V453000> !companies
17:28:20  <Stablean> V453000: Company 1 (Blue): sharpy Transport
17:28:21  <Stablean> V453000: Company 2 (Green): greenlion Transport
17:28:21  <Stablean> V453000: Company 3 (Pink): kuch3n Transport
17:28:21  <Stablean> V453000: Company 4 (Red): David Transport
17:28:21  <Stablean> V453000: Company 5 (Orange): Timmaexx Transport
17:28:21  <Stablean> V453000: Company 6 (Yellow): DayDreamer Transport
17:28:22  <Stablean> V453000: Company 7 (Cream): Mks Transport
17:28:23  <Stablean> V453000: Company 9 (Brown): Fort Tronhill City Transport
17:28:27  <V453000> !sure but leave it first :p
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17:28:33  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 3
17:28:33  <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted.
17:28:38  <Stablean> <kuch3n> ty
17:28:40  <V453000> yw
17:28:46  <Stablean> *** kuch3n has started a new company (#3)
17:31:22  <Ammler>  still no 1.0.4?
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17:40:50  <planetmaker> !rcon save upgrade
17:40:50  <Stablean> planetmaker: Saving map...
17:40:51  <Stablean> planetmaker: Map successfully saved to upgrade.sav
17:40:58  <planetmaker> folks, update version!
17:41:01  <planetmaker> !rcon exit
17:41:02  <Stablean> Server has exited
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17:41:10  <greenlion> oops
17:41:11  <kuch3n> !help
17:41:21  <Ammler> planetmaker: :-(
17:41:24  <kuch3n> !dl lin64
17:41:26  <greenlion> ah, an update
17:41:30  <kuch3n> mhh
17:41:34  <Ammler> nobody likes to use my nice features :-P
17:41:48  <kuch3n> !ammler dl lin64
17:41:53  <kuch3n> mhh, doesnt work either
17:42:36  <planetmaker> of course it doesn't, kuch3n
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17:42:44  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
17:42:44  <Stablean> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Server ('
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17:42:47  <planetmaker> no server, no response ;-)
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17:43:33  <kuch3n> !dl lin64
17:43:33  <Stablean> kuch3n:
17:43:58  <planetmaker> @topic change 0 s/-RC1//
17:44:03  <planetmaker> @topic change 1 s/-RC1//
17:44:03  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome server. OpenTTD 1.0.4 | Admin channel (ask for op) | run !screen | IF you prepare map, read | Todo on next restart: lower screenshot frequency"
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17:44:32  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> omg
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17:44:39  <planetmaker> hm?
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17:46:07  <Mks> wich version
17:46:13  <Mks> 1.04 or 1.04 rc1?
17:46:16  <kuch3n> 1.04
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17:51:37  <Stablean> <trainel> hola
17:56:39  <Timmaexx> !dl lin64
17:56:39  <Stablean> Timmaexx:
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18:38:22  <kuch3n> how can i delete a train from a shared order?
18:39:02  <Stablean> <greenlion> kuch3n: select "end of shared orders" and delete - it will clear the list
18:39:02  <planetmaker> delete the 'shared' line
18:40:16  <kuch3n> I dont get it :/
18:40:34  <kuch3n> now i got it :D
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20:19:02  <Stablean> <R> wtf
20:19:05  <Stablean> <R> no coop here
20:22:01  <V453000> you can coop with someone :o people here are friendly
20:22:15  <Stablean> <R> i thought it will be one massive company
20:22:17  <Stablean> <R> with huge network
20:23:23  <greenlion> R, look at "public server"
20:30:53  <planetmaker> This is just our welcome server; but basically anyone can play as they like
20:31:10  <planetmaker> the real server runs a nightly and is called PublicServer
20:31:21  <planetmaker> join IRC on, channel #openttdcoop
20:31:40  <Stablean> <R> k thx for info
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20:35:53  <Stablean> <Acropolips> can someone help me see whats wrong with my track
20:35:56  <Stablean> <Acropolips> cant find the problem :s
20:36:16  <Stablean> <greenlion> what's the problem?
20:36:22  <Stablean> <Acropolips> trains wont go
20:36:28  <Stablean> <Acropolips> something is blocking
20:36:38  <Stablean> <Acropolips> help me find it? ive been looking for the past 10 minutes
20:36:56  <Stablean> <hopt> u can't make a 90 degree turn
20:37:02  <Stablean> <greenlion> you is missing piece of rail before depot
20:37:16  <Stablean> <Acropolips> make me a sign please?
20:37:17  <Stablean> <greenlion> and yes, you can't make 90 deg turns
20:37:46  <Stablean> <Acropolips> you cant do that in this server?
20:38:00  <Stablean> <greenlion> yes, that's the settings
20:38:27  <Stablean> <Acropolips> depot like this is good?
20:38:37  <Stablean> <greenlion> nope
20:38:49  <Stablean> <Acropolips> there is no 90 degree turn though
20:39:03  <Stablean> <NurikSakura> hello, guys! can you help me with a guide about those train signals? cause I'm looking at all these lines and my mind goes crazy =)
20:39:05  <Stablean> <greenlion> there is no straight rail
20:39:09  <Stablean> <hopt> place the depot in the square I demolished
20:39:32  <Stablean> <Acropolips> but i want my trains go to in there automatically
20:39:38  <Stablean> <Acropolips> which i why i put them like that
20:39:40  <Stablean> <NurikSakura> oh, forgot to say great please ^_^
20:39:42  <Stablean> <Acropolips> it works in other servers :s
20:39:44  <Stablean> <hopt>
20:39:46  <Stablean> <greenlion> NurikSakura: check the openttd wiki :)
20:40:10  <Stablean> <NurikSakura> I read it, but still have some questions =)
20:40:28  <Stablean> <greenlion> Acropolips: here breakdowns are disabled, so your trains won't need to go to depot
20:40:39  <Stablean> <NurikSakura> english is not my native, so sometimes I don't quite understand what is that written about..
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20:43:42  <Stablean> <Acropolips> are ships disabled?
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20:43:47  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
20:43:49  <Stablean> <Acropolips> kk
20:44:41  <Stablean> <Mks> spike you know how to build logic gates I guess?
20:46:17  <Stablean> <Spike> who... me?
20:46:23  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
20:46:40  <Stablean> <Spike> depends
20:47:00  <Stablean> <Mks> only know how to sometimes? :)
20:47:14  <Stablean> <Spike> in special situations where i've read the wiki or seen examples :D
20:47:32  <Stablean> <Spike> logic isn't my thing.. :) i'm more for general building hubs or supporting builds :)
20:47:34  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh so not something your an expert of
20:48:40  <Stablean> <Mks> I wana build an SRN network but mm to be honest I don't know how to :)
20:49:13  <Stablean> <Spike> hmmm srnw...
20:49:33  <Stablean> <Spike> it usually starts with a loop :)
20:49:39  <Stablean> <Mks> haha
20:49:41  <Stablean> <Mks> well
20:49:48  <Stablean> <Mks> I could probarbly build the network
20:49:55  <Stablean> <Mks> if you skip the logic gates ans such :P
20:49:59  <Stablean> <Mks> the important stuff :)
20:50:07  <Stablean> <Spike> you don't need logic gates for SRNW
20:50:13  <Stablean> <Spike> can also use dummy feeders
20:50:19  <Stablean> <Spike> requires no logic at all
20:50:49  <Stablean> <Mks> well I know V did both logic stations and dummy feeders but
20:51:07  <Stablean> <Mks> logic seems more fun only need 1 station then
20:51:37  <^Spike^> what you can also do (and what we did in some game)
20:51:40  <^Spike^> have a big loop
20:51:48  <^Spike^> and in that big loop have small loops
20:52:02  <^Spike^> with BBH/SLH or whatever you call it
20:52:09  <^Spike^> leave it..
20:52:11  <^Spike^> fail plan
20:52:11  <^Spike^> :)
20:52:16  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
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21:12:43  <Stablean> <hopt> I couldn't find this rule in rules
21:12:58  <Stablean> <hopt> I  believe, it's competition
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21:13:35  <V453000> ask yourself, do you NEED to steal from others cargoes?
21:14:04  <Stablean> <hopt> what't bad in it?
21:14:37  <Stablean> <hopt> if there was no "stealing" we'd still all ride horse carriages
21:15:35  <Stablean> <Mks> mmm
21:15:47  <Stablean> <Mks> its even worse to steal from a secondary industry
21:16:01  <Stablean> <Mks> without acually delivering anything yourself
21:16:15  <Stablean> <Mks> if you ask me I don't think that is ok
21:16:39  <Stablean> <Mks> cause thats not really competion
21:17:24  <Stablean> <hopt> There's a general rule saying that server rules shouldn't prevent from stealing
21:18:03  <V453000> even with delivering anything it is stupid, Mks ... OpenTTD just doesnt work that way
21:18:22  <Mks> well yeah
21:18:31  <Mks> should be a rule against it :)
21:18:49  <V453000> I am the law :p
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21:19:57  <Stablean> <Mks> mm he left?
21:20:17  <Stablean> <Mks> you know when stable is a the normal version its always more ppl playing
21:20:23  <Stablean> <Mks> compared the when the RC was used
21:21:16  <V453000> normal :)
21:21:38  <V453000> but it takes time until people update :p
21:21:40  <Mks> well stable then
21:21:40  <V453000> !playercount
21:21:41  <Stablean> V453000: Number of players: 3 (0 spectators)
21:21:51  <Mks> yeah but lots of new players have started companies
21:22:01  <V453000> !companies
21:22:04  <Stablean> V453000: Company 1 (Orange): NS
21:22:04  <Stablean> V453000: Company 2 (Green): greenlion Transport
21:22:04  <Stablean> V453000: Company 3 (Dark Blue): kuch3n Transport
21:22:04  <Stablean> V453000: Company 4 (Red): David Transport
21:22:05  <Stablean> V453000: Company 5 (Purple): Timmaexx Transport
21:22:05  <Stablean> V453000: Company 6 (Yellow): DayDreamer Transport
21:22:05  <Stablean> V453000: Company 7 (Cream): Mks Transport
21:22:07  <Mks> compared to when RC3 or what it was was used
21:22:07  <Stablean> V453000: Company 8 (White): trainel Transport
21:22:07  <Stablean> V453000: Company 9 (Pale Green): Acropolips Transport
21:22:09  <Stablean> V453000: Company 10 (Pink): hopt Transport
21:22:51  <Mks> so about the "stealing"
21:22:57  <Mks> its allowed but not really liked?
21:24:07  <V453000> depends really
21:24:22  <V453000> if you share a coal mine, who cares ... of course depending on circumstances
21:24:39  <V453000> but if someone just steals 50% of your goods (possibly a noob), I have usually no mercy
21:26:25  <V453000> that is why I dont want to make the rules
21:26:32  <V453000> because it really depends
21:27:07  <Mks> well
21:27:13  <Mks> take a look at hopt
21:27:14  <V453000> and I think that if someone is a normal person who isnt really rude against others, I believe stealing is not really liked
21:27:20  <Mks> if you haven't what do you think of that?
21:27:58  <Stablean> <Mks> well atm he has a jam but you can see the stations
21:28:12  <Stablean> <greenlion> so, to share a coal mine is ok? :)
21:28:26  <Stablean> <Mks> well if you ask V it depends :P
21:28:48  <V453000> seriously, why would you need to share it
21:28:56  <Stablean> <greenlion> like mine Lubourne Bridge Height station
21:29:11  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I've seen that
21:29:12  <V453000> !dl win32
21:29:12  <Stablean> V453000:
21:29:34  <Stablean> <Mks> its acually 2 coal mines close to each other tho
21:29:48  <Stablean> <greenlion> yep
21:29:59  <Stablean> <Mks> well I think normally its not needed to share coal mines
21:30:06  <Stablean> <Mks> there usually are tons of things not connected
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21:30:57  <Stablean> <Mks> see signs !share
21:31:02  <Ammler> V453000: there is one rule: do what you allow other to do to you
21:31:27  <V453000> Ammler: quite :)
21:32:04  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: coal is totally fine with me, goods are absolutely rude imo
21:32:18  <Ammler> and it specially no stealing if you connect to industry serviced from an absent player
21:32:34  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah even tho I would prefer the coal not either but its not that big deal
21:32:58  <Stablean> <V453000> I think primaries could at least grow faster that way
21:33:05  <Stablean> <V453000> but steling from secondaries is disgusting
21:33:11  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
21:33:28  <Ammler> you shouldn't call it "stealing" :-)
21:33:35  <V453000> it is actually :)
21:33:39  <V453000> what else would it be :)
21:33:40  <Stablean> <Mks> well it is
21:33:45  <Ammler> stealing implicit bad behavior already
21:33:58  <V453000> this is bad behavior
21:34:01  <Ammler> competition :-)
21:34:02  <Stablean> <Mks> well primary might not be stealing really
21:34:20  <Stablean> <Mks> but secondary without acually delivering anything to a factory and taking the goods
21:34:23  <Stablean> <Mks> thats stealing
21:34:28  <V453000> stealing half your goods from factory has nothing to do with nice friendly gameplay :)
21:34:47  <Ammler> Mks: not if you are self too stupid to transport your goods
21:35:00  <V453000> still
21:35:05  <V453000> even if you dont transport them
21:35:07  <V453000> I consider it bad
21:35:12  <Ammler> why?
21:35:14  <Stablean> <Mks> well thats one thing maybe
21:35:36  <Ammler> it is actually a very good starting point
21:35:54  <Ammler> transport goods from someone else :-)
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21:36:07  <Stablean> <Mks> thats just being mean
21:36:26  <V453000> who cares about starthing point :) friendly people here would always borrow you money at that stage of the game already
21:36:28  <Stablean> <Mks> but I mean its ok if you ask the company feeding the factory
21:36:48  <Stablean> <Mks> like V sawmill
21:36:55  <Stablean> <Mks> tho it was impossible to get close to it :)
21:38:20  <V453000> well sure
21:38:28  <V453000> thats someting different :)
21:38:38  <Ammler> V453000: if you like to be nice, you can play coop :-)
21:38:49  <V453000> coop has nothing to do with it :)
21:39:02  <Ammler> what is the sense to play nice with different companies?
21:39:08  <V453000> why not
21:39:28  <V453000> rather, why would you need to sabotage others
21:39:49  <Ammler> nono, that is not what i mean
21:39:53  <V453000> 99.9% people here should rather focus on improving their own network :)
21:40:42  <Stablean> <greenlion> wondering who is remainder 0.01%...
21:40:43  <Ammler> if you like to play nice, you could use the head2head server
21:41:10  <V453000> no need for that :)
21:41:16  <V453000> but yes, that is kind of the style
21:41:24  <V453000> but here you can still "touch"
21:42:03  <V453000> and since stealing makes only hate, I cant support it
21:42:51  <V453000> and I think we have enough polite and intelligent people here to be friendly :)
21:43:06  <Stablean> <Mks> most ppl here are friendly
21:43:10  <Ammler> we need a "hate" server
21:43:14  <Stablean> <Mks> usually when new people enters
21:43:16  <Stablean> <Mks> lol
21:43:18  <Ammler> there is too much love in openttd
21:43:23  <Stablean> <Mks> why do you want a hate server
21:43:29  <Ammler> :-)
21:43:33  <Stablean> <Mks> noone would play there :P
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21:43:58  <Ammler> there was once a DEATHMATCH server
21:44:07  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh how did that work?
21:44:22  <Ammler> you were allowed to do whatever you like to win
21:44:34  <Stablean> <Mks> like even block other players?
21:44:44  <Ammler> yes, mainly that
21:44:44  <Stablean> <Mks> buy land next to station and stuff?
21:45:17  <Stablean> <Mks> so did that server have alot of players?
21:45:20  <V453000> Ammler: go code OpenTTD as a FPS super-gore shooter :P except instead of gore there would be trains and rails
21:45:24  <Ammler> you terraformed to waterlevel, build bridges, so others really weren't able to transfer
21:47:45  <Stablean> <Mks> V did you finnish your station in last game?
21:49:02  <V453000> no
21:49:10  <V453000> the network was left unfinished :)
21:49:25  <Mks> ahh
21:49:54  <Stablean> <V453000> I tested what I needed to know
21:50:03  <Mks> I see
21:50:05  <Stablean> <V453000> so I quite didnt really need to finish it completely
21:50:40  <Mks> you can't start out a game by build a SRN right? you need to make some money first?
21:50:48  <Stablean> <V453000> I could
21:50:52  <Stablean> <V453000> no problem really
21:51:10  <Stablean> <V453000> depends of course
21:51:22  <Stablean> <Mks> well I mean you need some "dummy" trains
21:51:26  <Stablean> <V453000> the one I did last time wasnt really possible to do from the very start
21:51:35  <Stablean> <V453000> well you can have dummies even from the start
21:51:41  <Stablean> <V453000> no matter really
21:51:50  <Stablean> <Mks> they do cost some moeny
21:52:02  <Stablean> <V453000> depends on train set of course
21:52:08  <Stablean> <V453000> but it is possible with most of them
21:52:29  <Stablean> <V453000> and in the beginning trains usually are cheap so you should really be able to easily start off with SRNW
21:52:53  <Stablean> <V453000> althouth if you are making something more complicated that reacts all on itself like in a cycle, you basically cant do that usually :)
21:53:11  <Stablean> <Mks> thats what you did right?
21:53:29  <Stablean> <V453000> quite
21:53:45  <Stablean> <V453000> see for example PSG 180
21:53:57  <Stablean> <V453000> we were building for at least 2 weeks before the first trains ran
21:54:04  <Stablean> <Mks> wow
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21:54:16  <Stablean> <V453000> just because the main lines needed to be ready
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21:55:50  <Mks> ahh
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21:56:18  <Stablean> <V453000> sure, it was insane, but I think that is the true SRNW :)
21:56:30  <Stablean> <V453000> like ... totally self everything :)
21:56:46  <Mks> hehe
21:56:57  <Mks> !date
21:56:58  <Stablean> Mks:  1 Jan 1953
21:57:50  <Mks> I want to build a simple SRNW but not really sure where to start
21:58:08  <Stablean> <V453000> seen psg 121?
21:58:18  <Stablean> <V453000> if not, see that one
21:58:24  <Stablean> <V453000> there it is quite simple
21:58:34  <Stablean> <Mks> I never seen a simple PS game :)
21:58:40  <Stablean> <V453000> sure
21:58:54  <Stablean> <V453000> but in terms of SRNW basic style ;)
21:58:57  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean it might start out fairly simple but usually quite complex in the end
21:59:25  <Stablean> <V453000> not quite
21:59:32  <Stablean> <V453000> in SRNW the way how it works is kept
21:59:38  <Stablean> <V453000> you just add / enlarge stations
21:59:48  <Stablean> <V453000> which can actually keep their shape too, just be multiplied
22:00:12  <Mks> I see
22:00:36  <Mks> whats the H2H server?
22:01:38  <Stablean> <V453000> a patched server where you can have 2 4 or 8 (I think no more) spaces for players
22:01:41  <Stablean> <V453000> one space = one company
22:01:45  <Mks> mm Dev server and stable server on openttdcoop homepage is the same?
22:01:49  <Stablean> <V453000> and the spaces are exactly the same in the start
22:02:23  <Mks> like you can only build at parts of the map?
22:02:36  <V453000> yes
22:02:48  <V453000> only on your part
22:03:10  <V453000> so everyone has a separate working space, cant be interrupted, and everyone has equal conditions
22:03:27  <Mks> ohh
22:03:57  <Mks> is there a goal like when someone reach it the server ends?
22:04:37  <Stablean> <V453000> well I know only of one game played
22:04:47  <Stablean> <V453000> which was for like 10 years and who reaches .. whatever
22:04:50  <Stablean> <V453000> wins
22:04:52  <Mks> ahhh
22:05:34  <Mks> sounds like luukland servers except you don't have your own space there but its like 10 years then the game ends at least on the city builder servers
22:05:58  <V453000> luukland servers are super noob
22:06:03  <Mks> haha
22:06:24  <Mks> why are they super noob?
22:06:47  <V453000> you ever seen it?
22:06:52  <Mks> yeah I've played there
22:07:01  <V453000> world treasury of noobness reigns there from what I have seen
22:07:05  <Mks> luukland got angry on me cause I mentioned openttcoop
22:07:13  <Stablean> <V453000> lol
22:08:06  <Mks> well I know most networks are quite n00bish on his server
22:08:36  <Mks> also the CB server even tho I kinda of like the concept of the CB I am not really into building stuff as fast as possible to be able to win
22:10:00  <V453000> I have never seen a person who would actually be a tiny pinch better than an utter noob on a goal server
22:10:04  <V453000> especially city builders
22:11:21  <Mks> the thing I like on the CB server is kinda of neat you need to deliver X amount of that and whatever
22:11:28  <Mks> to acually make the town grow
22:12:03  <Mks> thought I would like do that where it doesn't end after 10 years and can continue to make a nice support network for the town
22:12:35  <V453000> well ... you can play that anywere
22:12:48  <V453000> but the very concept of the reset in every 3 hours and hurry hurry, as noob as possible ...
22:13:00  <Mks> that I can agree to
22:13:38  <Mks> well more like how luukland server patched the CB server you can't really play that anywhere :)
22:13:46  <Mks> but I am not to fond of the 3 hour reset
22:14:10  <Mks> I think the stable server is nice no set reset time and uses lots of nice newgrf
22:14:49  <Stablean> <V453000> I wouldnt compare this server to others :p
22:16:40  <V453000> people here are so different and it is the only server with proper config where trains dont reverse on signals and such
22:17:18  <Mks> most ppl who play on stable doesn't play on PS thought?
22:18:14  <V453000> nobody I know
22:18:19  <V453000> or rarely
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22:19:25  <Mks> well you play on PS I guess?
22:19:30  <Mks> and stable :)
22:19:52  <V453000> and pz :p
22:20:16  <Mks> hehe
22:21:06  <V453000> as normal ... there are games on PS I dont even play a bit, there are games when I am there all days like psg 180 or 186
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22:24:27  <Mks> ahh
22:24:28  <Mks> well
22:24:31  <Mks> this game now on PS
22:24:34  <Mks> its your plan right?
22:24:37  <V453000> no
22:24:51  <V453000> I only have there the goods producing area
22:24:52  <Mks> ahh kriokamera
22:24:58  <V453000> Combuster :p
22:25:02  <Mks> you have only added tons of signs :)
22:25:21  <V453000> :
22:25:22  <V453000> )
22:25:40  <Mks> some stations seem way over sized
22:26:37  <V453000> almost all of them actually
22:27:40  <Mks> hehe
22:28:14  <Mks> the game is at the end? I mean seems mostly polishing going on?
22:29:04  <V453000> I think so
22:29:16  <V453000> although I cant say I consider it successfully finished :)
22:29:57  <V453000> plan flaws are visible too much and you cant really do that much about it now
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22:30:37  <Mks> ahh
22:30:46  <Mks> the plan seems to be deleted so don't know what it is
22:30:52  <Mks> only that kriokamera plan is left
22:31:07  <Mks> never mind found it
22:31:13  <V453000> srsly
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22:31:15  <V453000> ye
22:33:41  <Mks> what flaws are there in the plan?
22:33:55  <V453000> traffic spread
22:34:01  <V453000> north = nothing
22:34:04  <V453000> south = low
22:34:13  <V453000> west = total overload
22:34:31  <V453000> from the connections in the plan it is quite easy to predict imo
22:35:17  <Mks> ahh yeah true
22:35:26  <Mks> not to good to combine coal with anything
22:35:54  <Mks> at least not with something thats both pickup and drop
22:36:02  <V453000> coal doesnt need to be a problem :)
22:36:12  <V453000> coal actually is one of the least dangerous cargoes
22:36:16  <V453000> wood is
22:36:27  <Mks> ohh
22:36:30  <V453000> coal doesnt produce anything
22:36:35  <Mks> ahh true
22:36:43  <Mks> but coal still tend to be alot
22:37:10  <V453000> can
22:37:12  <V453000> doesnt need to
22:37:16  <V453000> only if you overload it
22:37:22  <V453000> which is easy to do with any other industry as ewll
22:37:44  <V453000> coal is only considered as a majority cargo because most people start with it so it has the most time to grow
22:37:52  <Mks> ahh
22:37:56  <V453000> which is a hugely wrong though
22:37:57  <V453000> t
22:38:08  <V453000> in coop where we treat it as all other cargoes, it rather tends to be lower
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22:38:30  <V453000> for example quite classic is to combine two weaker cargoes - iron ore and coal
22:38:42  <V453000> depends on the map
22:38:52  <Mks> why is iron or weaker then wood?
22:39:17  <V453000> wood in temperate is normal
22:39:57  <Mks> well I did only iron ore last game here
22:40:06  <Mks> well steel and goods also but only from the iron ore
22:40:21  <Mks> I had only 4 mines and ended up with around 400 trains
22:40:38  <Mks> even tho 4 more mines from other companies did feed my steel mill
22:44:26  <V453000> sure
22:44:29  <V453000> any cargo can get high
22:44:47  <V453000> but with some scenarios some get higher
22:45:04  <V453000> in temperate with low water it is really balanced with exception of oil
22:45:24  <V453000> in arctic wood is always strong, farms depend on how much lowlands there is
22:45:57  <V453000> tropic is quite different so I wouldnt discuss that :)
22:47:26  <Mks> mm considering only 1000 trains in the PS game atm the lines are way overbuilt, but I guess its planned to run a long time still so it will be another 1000 trains?
22:47:42  <V453000> no
22:48:02  <V453000> this is almost over :)
22:48:10  <Mks> and only 1000 trains?
22:48:25  <V453000> I would expect a bit more like up to 1300
22:49:22  <Mks> still not that many trains on that network
22:49:40  <Mks> though I guess the plan flaw is an issue cause parts of the network will get overloaded
22:50:32  <Mks> hardly any trains on your SLH02 :(
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23:19:43  <Stablean> *** Mks has left the game (leaving)
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23:35:25  <Stablean> <sharpy> someones stolen my company
23:35:29  <Stablean> <sharpy> not happy
23:35:57  <greenlion> :( and V453000 seem to be away
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23:50:17  <SmatZ> :(
23:51:00  <SmatZ> what happened
23:51:01  <SmatZ> ?
23:52:25  <greenlion> SmatZ, ask sharpy (he is on main channel). I guess his company didn't had a password and somebody came in and setup password / did some other nasty things
23:55:00  <SmatZ> people should set passwords :-/
23:55:05  <Stablean> *** sharpy joined the game
23:55:09  <Stablean> <sharpy> the one called NS
23:55:32  <Stablean> <sharpy> that was mine, i left it for a few hours and i came back just now to find it with different password and colours
23:55:43  <SmatZ> :(
23:55:57  <SmatZ> not sure if anything can be done now
23:56:05  <Stablean> <sharpy> nah no point
23:56:11  <Stablean> <sharpy> it happened last game too
23:56:20  <SmatZ> don't forget to set a password :p
23:56:31  <Stablean> <sharpy> i did! thats the baffling thing
23:56:49  <Stablean> <sharpy> why would someone crack my password just to use an ottd company
23:56:54  <SmatZ> hmm
23:57:01  <greenlion> may be a bot?
23:57:08  <SmatZ> maybe there was a server restart
23:57:12  <Stablean> <sharpy> might be i guess
23:57:14  <SmatZ> so passwords were reset
23:57:20  <Stablean> <sharpy> ah that might be it
23:57:25  <SmatZ> there was when game was updated to 1.0.4
23:57:26  <greenlion> nope, there weren't restart
23:57:26  <Stablean> <sharpy> the version changed
23:57:29  <SmatZ> :/
23:57:45  <Stablean> <sharpy> odd
23:57:47  <Stablean> <sharpy> h
23:57:55  <greenlion> ah, yeah. right. in the beginning
23:57:57  <Stablean> <sharpy> they've done some mods too so its not all bad
23:57:58  <SmatZ> :(
23:58:27  <SmatZ> !rcon set autoclean_unprotected
23:58:27  <Stablean> SmatZ: Current value for 'autoclean_unprotected' is: '0' (min: (0) 0, max: 240)
23:58:30  <Stablean> <sharpy> some horrific CL issues but meh
23:58:33  <SmatZ> :)
23:58:45  <Stablean> <sharpy> will try and set a better password next time
23:59:08  <SmatZ> ok, if you don't see that as a big problem :)
23:59:25  <Stablean> <sharpy> if it happens again i might be a bit annoyed :p

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