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13:05:18  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh your maglev trains are slow troy :)
13:05:26  <Stablean> <Mks> that universal track isn't very fast
13:05:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i know, a bitch\
13:06:03  <Stablean> <Mks> still you don't need to remake all trains so its quite nice
13:06:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> never tried replacing wit universal rail before,
13:06:11  <Stablean> <Mks> I didn't do like you thought
13:06:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> first time, dont know if its easier
13:06:25  <Stablean> <Mks> I just changed at the depots to universal
13:06:30  <Stablean> <Mks> then maglev directly after
13:06:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hhmmm
13:06:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thats better i guess
13:07:00  <Stablean> <Mks> it takes a bit longer that way thought sinc eyou have to wait for all trains to replace them self before you can transfer all to maglev
13:07:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> chance of jam, in my system (yours is better capable of that)
13:07:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Normally I just build new maglevs near the start station and copy orders
13:07:51  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah I don't really have that much trains yet
13:08:01  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
13:08:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I tink thats beter
13:08:37  <Stablean> <Mks> well one other way is to convert all to universal
13:08:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you should replace with maglev 2
13:09:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to convert all what?
13:09:03  <Stablean> <Mks> then tile after depot to maglev just that tile until all trains are maglev
13:09:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> rails?
13:09:16  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
13:09:22  <Stablean> <Mks> or monorails or whatever you have
13:09:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah thats what i just did, convert all rails
13:09:56  <Stablean> <Mks> I think the speed limit should be a bit higher
13:10:06  <Stablean> <Mks> like 60km/h same as depot enter speed at least
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13:10:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the speed limit for universal engine is 64 kp
13:10:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so it makes sense like that sorta speed
13:10:45  <Stablean> <Mks> well track speed is just 30km/h
13:10:55  <Stablean> <Mks> are there any universal engines?
13:11:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> one
13:11:11  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh
13:11:13  <Stablean> <Mks> mmm
13:11:19  <Stablean> <Mks> you know one other way then
13:11:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure>  `universal engine` top speed 64 kph
13:11:24  <Stablean> <Mks> its to replace all locos to that
13:11:30  <Stablean> <Mks> then convert to maglev
13:11:35  <Stablean> <Mks> and replace all to maglev trains
13:11:44  <Stablean> <Mks> its faster then using the universal rails
13:12:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> again, im not familiar with the universal rail concept
13:12:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but i possibly did the worst option :S
13:12:31  <Stablean> <Mks> not me either first time I've seen it
13:12:59  <Stablean> <Mks> the nice thing about it I guess is you never need to stop the traffic
13:13:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, the loss of income due to changing is not shorter cause of universal rail
13:14:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at least not how i did it
13:15:59  <Stablean> <Mks> still less work
13:16:01  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean
13:16:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> mks, do you know a good way to do a spill over using presignals?
13:16:12  <Stablean> <Mks> if you have alot of diffrent stations
13:16:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, less clicking of buttons
13:16:52  <Stablean> <Mks> well
13:16:55  <Stablean> <Mks> I know you can do it
13:17:02  <Stablean> <Mks> but I am no expert at doing it really
13:17:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thats make shift spill over
13:17:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you seem like a player with experience in those stuff
13:17:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so I should ask V or somethingg?
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13:18:45  <Stablean> <Mks> well V is pretty good at it thought best way is to design networks so you don't need one :P
13:19:11  <Stablean> <Mks> in your case I say you should delete some trains thought
13:19:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, I know, but take for instance this server:
13:19:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> If youre offline, but others are online
13:19:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and you expect industries to grow
13:19:59  <Stablean> <Mks> yes
13:20:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you want to have more trains able to serve them
13:20:06  <Stablean> <Mks> but
13:20:10  <Stablean> <Mks> your spill over won't ever help
13:20:13  <Stablean> <Mks> since station is to small
13:20:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> in the future, when your off
13:20:18  <Stablean> <Mks> its alrdy full more or less
13:20:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, i know, its built for less capacity and less rating
13:20:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you wont get 80+ rating with regular rail vehicles
13:21:22  <Stablean> <Mks> still you can have quite a bit to many trains without a spillover if station is big and not to close to a junction with other tracks
13:21:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it was about 4000 tonnes food, 70 % transported
13:21:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
13:22:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus, i want a spill over to regulate any waves  in production
13:22:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> less production, more production etc
13:22:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> normally i would use seperate rails
13:22:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so the two wont mix and inhibit eachother
13:23:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> a spill over would also help work away waiting trains while low production
13:23:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but its just a test
13:23:28  <Stablean> <Mks> kinda of one reason I don't connect as much as I can on this server since I know it last a long time and production will increase and mm then network won't be able to handle it
13:23:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I was thinking also about Vs SRN
13:24:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it didnt make muc money, but the idea is good
13:24:27  <Stablean> <Mks> well you can more or less only transport one type of cargo then
13:24:33  <Stablean> <Mks> per rail network
13:24:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus, you only have a fixed number of trains
13:24:50  <Stablean> <Mks> it is possible to transport diffrent with diffrent train lenght but
13:25:00  <Stablean> <Mks> well
13:25:10  <Stablean> <Mks> you can start out with one station size then increase it
13:25:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I dont know how a SRN allocates trains to  stations
13:25:47  <Stablean> <Mks> well it doesn't really
13:25:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can it equally distribute capacity?
13:25:52  <Stablean> <Mks> trains just go around
13:26:06  <Stablean> <Mks> you have to have quite alot of trains for it to work
13:26:12  <Stablean> <Mks> it doesn't work if you have a few trains
13:26:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well theres a serious drawback
13:26:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you need lots of trains, while capacity is quite low
13:26:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> running costs are high, if you want to look at that
13:27:22  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah well if you just transport cargo fairly long it doesn't have to be an issue
13:27:26  <Stablean> <Mks> + running cost isn'
13:27:28  <Stablean> <Mks>
13:27:34  <Stablean> <Mks> isn't that high on this server
13:27:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know
13:27:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but for an economic stance, you want to maximize income and decrease costs
13:28:05  <Stablean> <Mks> wow your income sure went up after your convertion to maglev
13:28:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure, you can use your kirby paul tank to 2100
13:28:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah. tripled :P
13:28:34  <Stablean> <Mks> but you don't build a SRNW network for money income
13:28:44  <Stablean> <Mks> + the thing is money really isn't an issue in this game
13:29:16  <Stablean> <Mks> you need to upgrade your bridges
13:29:19  <Stablean> <Mks> they slow down the trains
13:29:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, but i like to keep it somewhat real
13:29:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> andSRN are interestin, but not very real
13:30:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thhats whats interests me in playing this
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14:29:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> mks?
15:00:46  <Stablean> <Mks> troy I guess you gona upgrade to the fastest loco later?
15:00:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> already busy with it
15:01:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to #3
15:01:11  <Stablean> <Mks> I meant #4?
15:01:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not out yet :P
15:01:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why?
15:01:24  <Stablean> <DamianK> can any one lend me 150000 euro
15:01:26  <Stablean> <DamianK> ?
15:01:26  <Stablean> <Mks> well I know but when it is
15:01:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ?
15:01:56  <Stablean> <DamianK> thanks
15:02:12  <Stablean> <Mks> np
15:02:16  <Stablean> <Mks> well
15:02:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> should be soon
15:02:21  <Stablean> <Mks> I won't upgrade to 4
15:02:27  <Stablean> <Mks> since its a dual head loco
15:02:36  <Stablean> <Mks> and I have 2 locos on each train
15:02:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> k
15:02:52  <Stablean> <Mks> so that would mean only 2 wagons left :P
15:03:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
15:03:28  <Stablean> <Mks> 4  parts loco 2 parts wagons not so good train :)
15:03:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, well, im working with longer trains
15:03:42  <Stablean> <Mks> I know
15:03:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not much trouble
15:04:39  <Stablean> <Mks> I got the faster loco now :P
15:04:46  <Stablean> <Mks> built a test train but acceleration seems a bit slow
15:06:46  <Stablean> <Mks> I have a trainset with a 888km/h loco
15:06:52  <Stablean> <Mks> 860 maybe
15:07:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how is thhat possible
15:07:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which is it?
15:07:13  <Stablean> <Mks> its a maglev loco
15:07:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you have two slow bridges
15:08:18  <Stablean> <Mks> 861
15:08:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
15:08:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> again: you also have slow bridges
15:08:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> made a sign
15:08:58  <Stablean> <Mks> k thnx
15:09:04  <Stablean> <Mks> forgot to replace all :P
15:09:15  <Stablean> <Mks> tho that bridge is a bit slow as well I wish I could get the faster one
15:09:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how do you make a sign that says !here
15:09:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, live with it
15:10:02  <Stablean> <Mks> like any other sign just type "!here!
15:10:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
15:10:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> perhaps there was a shortkey for it
15:10:27  <Stablean> <Mks> the thing to use ! is that it ends up at the top of the sign list
15:10:33  <Stablean> <Mks> naa
15:10:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> aaaah
15:10:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
15:41:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why is lumber mill prohibited?
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15:51:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Damian, would you stop stealin my food?
15:52:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thx
15:52:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dude?
15:52:33  <Stablean> <DamianK> what?
15:52:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> could you stop stealing my food?
15:53:06  <Stablean> <DamianK> your food?
15:53:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
15:53:46  <Stablean> <DamianK> why is it yours?
15:54:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> because im the supplier of every item to be processed to food
15:54:48  <Stablean> <DamianK> ohh do not worry will start bringing products needed for production soon
15:55:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> get your own food processing plant
15:55:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i will pay for it, but please dont do this
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15:55:35  <Stablean> <Mks> well troy your stealing from a company as well
15:55:35  <Stablean> <DamianK> let's just shre it
15:55:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> uhm
15:55:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no
15:55:55  <Stablean> <Mks> depends on how you see it
15:56:01  <Stablean> <Mks> Paston
15:56:12  <Stablean> <Mks> I know he don't acually deliver the food but still
15:56:15  <Stablean> <DamianK> is he ??????? heheheh and he's got the nerw to teach me ?
15:56:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> he never started a service of his own
15:56:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
15:56:36  <Stablean> <Mks> yes and thats why I say thats a bit diffrent
15:56:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if he told me to leave, i would do so right awayhc
15:57:04  <Stablean> <DamianK> sooo is there a rule saying I can not use the same plant as other player ?
15:57:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> as you can see, hes still working with wills 2-8-0-
15:57:22  <Stablean> <Mks> its not really a rule but
15:57:38  <Stablean> <Mks> taking food for example from another player ain't good
15:57:45  <Stablean> <Mks> you can get banned for it
15:57:52  <Stablean> <Mks> depends on how nice the moderators are
15:58:06  <Stablean> <DamianK> but I want to suply tha plant as well
15:58:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> light blue wasnt online when i took from paston
15:58:26  <Stablean> <Mks> it would be better ifyou used another plant
15:58:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i am, when you are taking from me
15:59:12  <Stablean> <Mks> if you can't find a plant I am sure Troy will build one for you
15:59:14  <Stablean> <DamianK> ok now I spent cash and time on construction
15:59:17  <Stablean> <Mks> wherever you want to have it
15:59:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Ill build you a plant at !ere
15:59:39  <Stablean> <DamianK> I can do it my self
16:49:34  <Stablean> <Mks> DamianK Wruntbourne won't grow unless your support it with both food and water
16:49:46  <Stablean> <DamianK> I know
16:49:56  <Stablean> <DamianK>  connected 2 lines with watr :)
16:50:02  <Stablean> <DamianK> water :)
16:50:04  <Stablean> <Mks> I see
16:50:11  <Stablean> <DamianK> but thanks
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17:03:07  <Stablean> <DamianK> hej, those universal rail - what does it mean ?
17:03:18  <Stablean> <Mks> it means all kinds of trains can run on it
17:03:28  <Stablean> <DamianK> can players share it ?
17:03:30  <Stablean> <Mks> both maglev and monorail and erail locos can use universal rail
17:03:32  <Stablean> <Mks> no
17:03:39  <Stablean> <DamianK> oh ok
17:03:42  <Stablean> <Mks> but you can run maglev trains on it
17:03:43  <Stablean> <DamianK> thanks
17:03:54  <Stablean> <Mks> its mostly to make it easier to upgrade to maglev
17:04:04  <Stablean> <DamianK> why does it say 30km/h
17:04:14  <Stablean> <DamianK> ?
17:04:17  <Stablean> <Mks> cause the max speed on those tracks is 30km/h
17:04:27  <Stablean> <Mks> so all trains will go in that speed on those rails
17:04:35  <Stablean> <DamianK> that is stiupid
17:04:45  <Stablean> <DamianK> don't want that than
17:05:21  <Stablean> <Mks> like I said its if you have erail you can then use it to automaticlly upgrade to maglev once it gets to game without the need of deleting all trains
17:06:41  <Stablean> <Mks> there also is one loco that can run on all types of tracks but its limited to 64km/h
17:07:24  <Stablean> <DamianK> do not see any reason to use it at all :)
17:07:50  <Stablean> <Mks> only reason to use it is before maglev is available
17:07:53  <Stablean> <Mks> so you can upgrade easier
17:07:59  <Stablean> <Mks> but right now its quite pointless
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17:45:35  <Stablean> <DamianK> can we use planes ?????????
17:45:45  <Stablean> <Mks> you can but you will go bankrupt
17:45:59  <Stablean> <Mks> the running cost for planes is insanly high
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17:50:18  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey all
17:50:22  <Stablean> <Mks> h
17:50:24  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
17:50:30  <Stablean> <DamianK> hello m8
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17:52:14  <Stablean> <Mks> I got a test track for universal track if you wana see how it works
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17:59:46  <V453000> !date
17:59:46  <Stablean> V453000: 11 Jul 2049
17:59:49  <V453000> elo
17:59:53  <Stablean> <Mks> hiya
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18:02:06  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
18:02:13  <Stablean> <Mks> why can't I make a loop of train replacements
18:02:23  <Stablean> <Mks> like replace Lev1 with X2001
18:02:29  <Stablean> <Mks> then replace X2001 with Lev1?
18:02:37  <V453000> cause it makes no sense? :)
18:02:55  <V453000> cycling :)
18:03:16  <V453000> btw why would you need that
18:03:22  <V453000> just stop one and start the other :)
18:04:19  <Stablean> <Mks> well
18:04:34  <Stablean> <Mks> cause then you could make a train that uses two diffrent types of tracks
18:04:40  <Stablean> <Mks> like you have 1 newer maglev network
18:04:46  <Stablean> <Mks> and one older erail
18:04:52  <Stablean> <Mks> or even erail and normal rail
18:05:14  <Stablean> <Mks> then you might have to take the train a bit where no erail is and need to use a disel loco
18:06:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> changing locs and wheel bases is normal
18:06:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at a border transition, into another country with different rail width
18:06:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or electricity voltage (or AC/DC)
18:07:58  <V453000> Mks: just use 1 network :)
18:14:22  <Stablean> <Mks> well
18:14:30  <Stablean> <Mks> it was for the fun of being able to mix network
18:14:32  <Stablean> <Mks> but I guess its not possible
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18:15:14  <Stablean> <V453000> aand hi :)
18:15:16  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
18:18:23  <Stablean> <Mks> your network ain't working very well Troy
18:18:38  <Stablean> <Mks> some parts that can't handle it
18:18:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why's that
18:18:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah yeah
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18:40:38  <Stablean> <Mks> yikes
18:40:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ?
18:40:58  <Stablean> <Mks> its not good to be blamed for bad things when trying to bribe a town
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18:48:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> should have done that before
18:48:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> changing wagons
18:48:51  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe yeah I did it a while ago but not when maglev came out
18:49:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well its a difference of 15-20% in capacity
18:49:52  <Stablean> <Mks> its not a big diffrence on this set compared to some others thought
18:50:26  <Stablean> <Mks> how can I reach higher station rating then 93%
18:50:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, but its the difference of driving 15% more trains
18:50:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> station rating?
18:50:59  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
18:51:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> uhm,statue in town, advertisement campaign (temporary)
18:51:20  <Stablean> <Mks> well to much work I want 100% :P
18:51:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> RoRo station
18:51:45  <Stablean> <Mks> well I do have that but don't seem to get above 93% anyway
18:52:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> this is strange
18:52:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> my dropoff station is collecting cargo
18:52:48  <Stablean> <Mks> well
18:52:58  <Stablean> <Mks> your picking up cargo at it as well?
18:53:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, i keep it separated
18:53:10  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh dropoff
18:53:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well maybe some train went there
18:53:41  <V453000> terminus and roro stations have no difference afaik :)
18:53:51  <V453000> at least related to station rating
18:53:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, had the trains set up with go to
18:54:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and not go to non stop
18:54:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so probably a train stopped there
18:54:27  <Stablean> <Mks> the food should dissapear after a while
18:54:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> station rating also depends on the speed  of entering vehicles
18:54:43  <Stablean> <Mks> well I know it helps to have new trains for some reason with station rating
18:54:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
18:55:04  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but the speed
18:55:06  <Stablean> <Mks> has a cap
18:55:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure>
18:55:22  <Stablean> <Mks> its 180km/h or something
18:55:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> right
18:55:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you get points for newer trains
18:55:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> up to 13%
18:55:46  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
18:56:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im searching for a 75% but i cant find it
18:56:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which of your stations is it?
18:58:01  <Stablean> <Mks> well more then 1
18:58:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no,i dont have anything more than 93%
18:58:10  <Stablean> <Mks> but grunham heights for example
18:58:20  <Stablean> <Mks> seems 93% is max you can get
18:58:26  <Stablean> <Mks> without advertising
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18:58:38  <Stablean> <Mks> and it doesn't work unless station is within 20 tiles from town center
19:00:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, I added all the possible percentages
19:01:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and you can have (theoretically) a rating up to 107%
19:01:26  <Stablean> <Mks> 100% is max
19:01:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, should make sense
19:01:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but i added all the possible figures (without advertising) and you can get 107
19:02:33  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh yes I read wrong
19:02:47  <Stablean> <Mks> you do need to leave station every 9th day thought
19:02:49  <Stablean> <Mks> but
19:02:52  <Stablean> <Mks> my trains do that
19:03:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, youre missing 14%
19:03:24  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah stuck at 93
19:03:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im guessing it has something to do with the cargo
19:03:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cause 1001 to 1500 cargo waiting at your station = -14%
19:03:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which is exactly needed
19:03:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but dont exactly understand how
19:05:07  <Stablean> <Mks> damnit I think I made my town drop to small
19:05:18  <Stablean> <Mks> only 6 plattforms
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19:17:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, im off
19:17:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ciao
19:18:08  <Stablean> <Mks> bye
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