Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 19th September 2010:
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03:17:22  <Stablean> <CameronW.> umm...
03:17:42  <Stablean> <CameronW.> help?
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08:14:52  <V453000> !date
08:14:52  <Stablean> V453000:  4 Nov 2061
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09:02:12  <V453000> !players
09:02:14  <Stablean> V453000: Client 217 is V453000, a spectator
09:02:18  <V453000> !rcon move 217 3
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09:02:26  <V453000> !rcon move 217 9
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09:09:15  <V453000> !getsave
09:09:19  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
09:09:20  <V453000> !rcon ls
09:09:20  <Stablean> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory)
09:09:20  <Stablean> V453000: 1) StableTemp13.sav
09:09:21  <Stablean> V453000: 2) StableTrop05.sav
09:09:21  <Stablean> V453000: 3) StableArc05.sav
09:09:21  <Stablean> V453000: 4) StableTemp12fix.sav
09:09:22  <Stablean> V453000: you have 65 more messages
09:09:23  <V453000> !rcon load 1
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09:10:03  <V453000> !rcon unpause
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09:10:12  <V453000> rcon reset_company 1
09:10:23  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 1
09:10:24  <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted.
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09:25:37  <greenlion> !date
09:25:37  <Stablean> greenlion:  1 Jan 1900
09:25:42  <greenlion> !playercount
09:25:43  <Stablean> greenlion: Number of players: 0 (0 spectators)
09:26:41  <greenlion> start at 1900 and nobody yet started a company... this will be long game :)
09:30:17  <V453000> well since nobody joined yet ... :) 1 player
09:30:48  <V453000> it isnt a bit different game too, so I dont expect too many people playing it :) but it should be enjoyable
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09:32:24  <Stablean> <greenlion> ah, firs :)
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09:33:15  <Stablean> <greenlion> never played with it :)
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09:38:19  <Stablean> <greenlion> nightly feature to display production graph would have been handy here :)
09:39:37  <V453000> it makes quite sense
09:39:45  <V453000> it is easy to get used to it :)
09:39:54  <V453000> at least I did quite quickly ...
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09:44:41  <Mks> mm
09:44:47  <Mks> I have some issues
09:44:54  <Mks> doesn't work to download fish for some reason
09:46:52  <V453000> wtf :o its latest
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09:47:09  <Stablean> <greenlion> why do we have fish if ships are disabled? :)
09:47:20  <V453000> !rcon set max_ships 10
09:47:23  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh ships are disabled? :P
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09:48:15  <Stablean> <Mks> gah
09:48:18  <Stablean> <Mks> station spread 5????
09:48:25  <Stablean> <greenlion> really? :)
09:48:28  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
09:48:35  <Stablean> <Mks> thats low
09:48:49  <Stablean> <V453000> its firs you are supposed to have many industries instead of one drop
09:48:56  <Stablean> <greenlion> V453000 learns us to use shorter trains? :)
09:49:06  <Stablean> <Mks> well
09:49:16  <Stablean> <Mks> you can have 1 drop in firs as well
09:49:31  <Stablean> <V453000> sure, then suffer spread 5
09:49:34  <Stablean> <Mks> no HQs ?
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09:49:49  <Stablean> <V453000> HQs?
09:49:55  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
09:49:58  <Stablean> <Mks> whats it called
09:50:05  <Stablean> <Mks> that road set
09:50:19  <Stablean> <V453000> heqs?
09:50:25  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
09:50:27  <Stablean> <V453000> why that
09:50:37  <Stablean> <Mks> well nice set to FIRS
09:50:47  <Stablean> <V453000> it has quite poor stats of vehicles
09:50:59  <Stablean> <Mks> it has good cargo vehicles
09:51:11  <Stablean> <V453000> its not here.
09:51:13  <Stablean> <Mks> I know
09:51:15  <Stablean> <V453000> stop complaining :)
09:51:22  <Stablean> <V453000> it is useless
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09:51:50  <V453000> have fun :)
09:52:22  <Stablean> <Mks> so you mean in this game Ishould have 1 drop for each pickup?
09:52:24  <Stablean> <greenlion> where is oil produced?
09:52:35  <Stablean> <Mks> not all industries are here yet
09:52:41  <Stablean> <Mks> some come later
09:52:47  <Stablean> <Mks> some dissapear after a certain date
09:53:48  <Stablean> <greenlion> ah I see. but oil refineries are here and no oil platforms...
09:54:04  <Stablean> <Mks> there are oil wheels
09:54:08  <Stablean> <greenlion> found oil wells, yeah :)
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10:05:09  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
10:05:15  <SmatZ> alcohol <3
10:05:21  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
10:05:23  <Stablean> <Mks> make your own company pls
10:05:47  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Okay, no problem, just wanted to ask whether it is okay I joined you :)
10:06:14  <Stablean> <greenlion> C2H5OH: you should ask before join :)
10:06:40  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Not really: I see a company without password as an open invitation to join ;)
10:06:51  <Stablean> <Mks> forgot to set it
10:06:57  <Stablean> <Mks> I tend to do that
10:06:57  <Stablean> *** C2H5OH has joined spectators
10:07:09  <Stablean> <Mks> well you don't have to delete the train
10:07:23  <Stablean> <greenlion> Mks: why not set a default password?
10:07:37  <Stablean> <Mks> default password?
10:07:43  <Stablean> <Mks> like auto set pw?
10:08:09  <Stablean> <greenlion> yes, when setting password there is button "default passowrd"
10:08:16  <Stablean> *** C2H5OH has started a new company (#4)
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10:08:44  <Stablean> <greenlion> at my password is getting to set automatically
10:08:44  <Stablean> *** Mks has started a new company (#5)
10:08:51  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
10:08:53  <Stablean> <Mks> didn't know that
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10:09:28  <Stablean> * greenlion likes to press all unknown buttons :)
10:09:58  <Stablean> <Mks> lol
10:10:12  <Stablean> <Mks> guess thats a good future for me since I tend to forget set the password
10:11:37  <Stablean> <greenlion> autopilot should have a feature to reminding of empty passwords
10:12:02  <Stablean> <Mks> some servers have that
10:20:44  <Stablean> <Mks> c2h50h there is no reason to force trains to enter depots
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10:20:50  <Stablean> <Mks> since trains won't breakdown here
10:21:15  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Good point then :)
10:23:10  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Industries will only grow if you supply them with the right supplies here, right?
10:23:22  <Stablean> <V453000> about that
10:23:24  <Stablean> <Mks> well they should grow anyway I think
10:23:31  <Stablean> <Mks> the suppling only gives temporary boosts
10:23:58  <Stablean> <Mks> well I am not 100% sure but used to work that before in FIRS at least
10:24:06  <Stablean> <V453000> firs changes a lot
10:24:06  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Ah, okay, so there is no need to set up complex systems :P...
10:25:08  <Stablean> <Mks> like I said I am not sure :P
10:25:12  <Stablean> <Mks> do you know V?
10:25:19  <Stablean> <V453000> hm?
10:25:25  <Stablean> <Mks> how FIRS works atm?
10:25:27  <Stablean> <V453000> industries shouldnt die on their own
10:25:33  <Stablean> <V453000> nor close up
10:25:36  <Stablean> <V453000> with exceptions like power plants
10:25:42  <Stablean> <Mks> well power stations can
10:25:48  <Stablean> <Mks> it even sas dies in 29 months
10:25:50  <Stablean> <Mks> well can die
10:26:08  <Stablean> <Mks> can you deplete stuff in FIRS?
10:26:11  <Stablean> <V453000> no
10:26:13  <Stablean> <Mks> like limited amount of coal?
10:26:21  <Stablean> <V453000> no, that thing is totally retarded :)
10:26:29  <Stablean> <V453000> I wouldnt ever make a game with that
10:26:51  <Stablean> <Mks> ECS works like that
10:26:55  <Stablean> <V453000> ECS is straight up retarded
10:26:57  <Stablean> <Mks> coal have limited amount of coal
10:27:07  <Stablean> <Mks> even thought it can find new coal
10:27:17  <Stablean> <Mks> so its not sure it will close
10:27:28  <Stablean> <V453000> it could be disabled
10:27:30  <Stablean> <V453000> but still
10:27:36  <Stablean> <V453000> ECS will never be here as long as I create maps
10:27:44  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
10:28:06  <Stablean> <Mks> but I do think its a bit silly production raise very fast to max in coal mines
10:28:16  <Stablean> <greenlion> V453000: why no ECS?
10:28:26  <Stablean> <V453000> because it is retarded :)
10:29:30  <Stablean> <V453000> you can get a mine of productions 2000+ in a few years
10:29:36  <Stablean> <V453000> which supports people doing point to point
10:29:57  <Stablean> <V453000> the other things are usually parametr-able but the high productions waste a lot of the rest
10:29:58  <Stablean> <Mks> I think in firs you hardly can get that high production no matter how long time you wait?
10:30:05  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: you can
10:30:15  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
10:30:15  <Stablean> <greenlion> I'm is doing crazy p2p network now, btw :)
10:30:32  <Stablean> <V453000> by supplying regularly you can get quite high productions
10:30:48  <Stablean> <Mks> doesn't supplying only give temp boost?
10:31:00  <Stablean> <V453000> well then supply every month :)
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10:37:53  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Did for somebody the industry grow already?
10:38:40  <Stablean> <Mks> not me
10:38:47  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Me neither...
10:39:47  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Mmm, but I'm trying to get a circle (wood-lumber-eng.sup.) up and running to find out :)
10:40:17  <V453000> it takes time
10:40:36  <V453000> and you really need to supply quite often I think :) small amounts are enough
10:40:47  <V453000> it has to be "just at least something"
10:41:00  <V453000> so it doesnt really matter if you deliver 1 or 100 crates
10:41:12  <planetmaker> yep ^
10:41:23  <planetmaker> 1 supply per month is enough. But per month is important
10:41:23  <V453000> :)
10:41:47  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Mmm, that's tough :)
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10:44:35  <Stablean> <Mks> so that mans TL 1 trains are better for the supplying mines and stuff?
10:45:14  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
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10:45:56  <Stablean> <Henri> dang
10:46:06  <Stablean> <Henri> i hate indrustry newgrfs :D
10:46:06  <Stablean> <Henri> cya
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10:46:14  <planetmaker> lol
10:46:49  <Stablean> <greenlion> wow, Henri said something other than "hi"...
10:47:06  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> He normally doesn't :)?
10:47:06  <Stablean> <Mks> I think firs is quite nice
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11:13:03  <Stablean> <greenlion> mmm... I think there was an order for train to wait until at least specified % of load, was it removed?
11:13:22  <Stablean> <Mks> no it should still be there
11:13:40  <Stablean> <Mks> its a conditional order jump
11:13:44  <Stablean> <greenlion> I see only conditional jumps
11:14:02  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its in that
11:14:07  <Stablean> <greenlion> but not "load until N%"...
11:14:12  <Stablean> <Mks> you can choice that then choice diffrent conditions
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11:15:04  <Stablean> <greenlion> conditional jumps make train run around platform and reversing...
11:15:11  <Stablean> <Mks> not really
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11:15:49  <Stablean> <Mks> I hardly ever use it thought so not really sure how to make it work but you can make it so it loads to like 50% then leave station
11:16:27  <Stablean> <greenlion> yes, I made it to work, but it looks not very nice...
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11:20:57  <Stablean> <ruarai> is buying shares disabled?
11:22:06  <Stablean> <greenlion> heh, and trains could be made to run two-way with payload - like one way oil, then refit, and backwards with
11:23:30  <Stablean> <ruarai> why cant i buy shares from companys?
11:23:49  <Stablean> <greenlion> ruarai: because it is disabled on this server
11:23:52  <Stablean> <ruarai> ok
11:23:54  <Stablean> <ruarai> thanks
11:24:16  <V453000> load until ??% is only in ttdpatch
11:25:39  <Stablean> <greenlion> V453000,  I think I've seen it in openttd year or two ago (perhaps a patched version or nightly)
11:25:59  <V453000> possibly :)
11:27:14  <greenlion> V453000, in this one:
11:27:46  <V453000> :)
11:28:10  <greenlion> a bit longer than two years though, if it is discontinued in 2006 :)
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12:05:17  <Stablean> <greenlion> hmm... lumber yard works strangely: it's said that it produces 2t of supplies per8t chemicals, but I'm delivering 100t of chemicals and it produces 72t of supplies...
12:05:57  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> It seems to be twisted: i'm supplying tons of lumber but hardly get any eng.sup...
12:06:25  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> 220 lumber -> 54 :(
12:07:25  <Stablean> <greenlion> true, it should should produce 72t per 96t of lumber, but not chemicals :(
12:07:36  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> So it's flipped...
12:08:02  <Stablean> <greenlion> wanna report a bug? :)
12:08:20  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Sure, but to the guys of the newGRF industries :)..
12:11:05  <greenlion> they have a bug tracker at  :)
12:11:07  <V453000> note the older version btw
12:11:21  <V453000> and better talk to planetmaker before doing a report :p
12:11:29  <V453000> he is the coder afaik
12:11:54  <Stablean> <greenlion> why not to talk to him via bugtracker? :)
12:13:21  <Ammler> [14:11] <V453000> he is the coder afaik <-- one of
12:13:49  <Ammler> yes, just use the tracker or forums
12:14:47  <greenlion> V453000, why not the latest version, btw?
12:15:37  <planetmaker> what, you don't play FIRS 0.4 here?!
12:15:47  <Ammler> !info
12:15:47  <Stablean> Ammler:
12:16:12  <planetmaker> meh :-(
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12:16:28  <planetmaker> what happened to the fact that #openttdcoop also was know for its careful selection of newgrf :-(
12:16:56  <Ammler> I assume, V made the game a year ago and loaded it today :-/
12:17:32  <planetmaker> unlikely. It runs SE rails 0.6.0 :-)
12:18:03  <greenlion> planetmaker, is it fixed in newer versions of FIRS?
12:18:06  <Ammler> greenlion: you miss something from mini-in?
12:18:11  <planetmaker> what?
12:18:23  <greenlion> Ammler, yes, load until N% orders
12:18:34  <greenlion> planetmaker, >lumber yard works strangely: it's said that it produces 2t of supplies per8t chemicals, but I'm delivering 100t of chemicals and it produces 72t of supplies...
12:18:42  <planetmaker> dunno
12:19:00  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> ~
12:19:23  <greenlion> planetmaker, ok, reporting a bug then :)
12:19:27  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Greenlion: it's also the reverse: 8t lumber should bring 6t, but does only 2t...
12:19:35  <planetmaker> greenlion: test in 0.4.0 or a nightly
12:19:38  <Ammler> greenlion: you tried with 0.4?
12:20:00  <V453000> when I saw the newest industries as "coloured boxes" in the newest FIRS, I really didnt want to make game with that :)
12:20:21  <Ammler> that is indeed quite ugly
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12:20:31  <Ammler> they are in teh release?
12:20:35  <V453000> ye
12:20:38  <planetmaker> yes
12:20:42  <Ammler> :-(
12:21:04  <Ammler> then we can't blame you :-P
12:21:12  <V453000> :)
12:21:31  <planetmaker> Hm... it didn't occur to me that that will be a problem for people
12:21:34  <V453000> well you can, but ... :p
12:21:51  <Ammler> planetmaker: I thought, that needs debug switch or so
12:22:10  <greenlion> will replacing FIRS version for saved game result in any meaningful results?
12:22:19  <planetmaker> The point is, they're somewhat needed for the cargo chains
12:22:27  <planetmaker> and... I don't think the boxes hurt ;-)
12:22:43  <planetmaker> greenlion: yes. You'll get a nice crashed OpenTTD
12:23:01  <greenlion> planetmaker, :)
12:23:30  <Ammler> planetmaker: they remember me to the black boxes in opengfx
12:23:46  <planetmaker> Ammler: much nicer, though
12:24:20  <planetmaker> Actually what FIRS does there might be an interesting display option for industries, provided the boxes are in minimap colour
12:25:11  <Ammler> something for transparent mode maybe
12:25:31  <planetmaker> yes, like that
12:25:54  <Ammler> V453000: the problem is that firs is in dev, so an older version means a lot of bugs and such
12:26:04  <Ammler> and specially no support
12:26:33  <Ammler> that is like a patched server :-P
12:26:37  <Ammler> gäll planetmaker :-)
12:26:43  <planetmaker> the main point is: they're trying to tune the game play fun, the balance of industries
12:26:48  <planetmaker> And that changed a lot
12:27:04  <planetmaker> So anything related to that... is worthless from an old version
12:27:48  <V453000> Ammler: I know but I just cant use the newest version cause people would hate the boxes :)
12:28:10  <planetmaker> do they? I don't
12:28:10  <Ammler> well, I wouldn't mind that much
12:28:20  <planetmaker> and yes, we can use the newest
12:28:32  <Ammler> some might think they are funny :-)
12:28:33  <V453000> I would use the newest for my own game too
12:28:33  <planetmaker> and we should
12:28:45  <Ammler> oh
12:28:46  <planetmaker> what use is that? Why not here?
12:29:09  <Ammler> firs devs would prefer someone complaining about the boxes
12:29:20  <Ammler> then about a bug in unsupported version
12:29:31  <V453000> ._:
12:29:35  <Ammler> :-)
12:29:43  <planetmaker> I mean... this server has little value to me, if it doesn't generate reports about OpenTTD bugs or newgrf bugs
12:29:53  <planetmaker> That's the only reason I support this server
12:30:27  <planetmaker> stable servers are around plenty
12:32:05  <greenlion> mmm.... I cannot use standard train set with FIRS?
12:32:23  <planetmaker> you can. But you won't enjoy it ;-)
12:32:32  <planetmaker> you need a train set which supports the cargos
12:33:02  <planetmaker> nearly any will do. Except DBset
12:33:17  <Stablean> <Mks> why no DB?
12:33:23  <planetmaker> it misses some cargos
12:33:27  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
12:34:00  <V453000> it is better to mix sets for FIRS anyway imo :)
12:34:13  <V453000> so you get a special wagon for every cargo
12:34:14  <planetmaker> why?
12:34:16  <planetmaker> ah
12:34:33  <planetmaker> don't tell that the author of the DB set :-P
12:34:42  <V453000> why is that wrong to him ? :D
12:34:46  <planetmaker> he'll crucify you head down
12:34:57  <V453000> cause his train set isnt omni-potent and has to be filled with others?
12:35:04  <planetmaker> yes
12:35:12  <planetmaker> there can be only one and you MUST share his view
12:35:12  <V453000> hehe
12:35:20  <V453000> I see
12:35:26  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh why is FIRS not visable on bananas?
12:35:33  <V453000> Mks: same problem
12:35:34  <planetmaker> it isn't?!
12:35:35  <V453000> the author :)
12:35:45  <planetmaker> hm
12:35:45  <V453000> oh FIRS
12:35:50  <V453000> I thought DB :D
12:35:52  <planetmaker> oh. :-) I guess you have an excuse
12:35:59  <planetmaker> Might be that they made it nightly-only
12:36:07  <V453000> o_O :D
12:36:12  <Stablean> <Mks> why?
12:36:22  <planetmaker> using nightly-only features of OpenTTD
12:36:32  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
12:36:37  <planetmaker> and not being bothered to programme around them missing in stable
12:36:54  <planetmaker> I guess even I gave that advice :-P Just didn't kow it was followed ;-)
12:37:37  <planetmaker> maybe it was bad advice ;-)
12:38:16  <planetmaker> though ... there are already quite a number of things only trunk supports, but stable not
12:38:33  <planetmaker> FIRS is one of the main drivers in trunk development in the newgrf domain ;-)
12:41:39  <planetmaker> he... the double-size GUI -newgrf doesn't play well with the GUI ;-)
12:43:33  <Ammler> firs is maybe the only reason for 1.1 yet
12:43:51  <planetmaker> what? OpenTTD?
12:43:58  <planetmaker> The NewGRF-GUI!
12:44:09  <Ammler> well, that is just comfort
12:44:20  <planetmaker> I just closed 1.0.4 for creating a scenario. That's no fun
12:44:27  <Ammler> :-)
12:44:53  <planetmaker> and the Cargo-chain view
12:45:07  <planetmaker> which applies to ecs, too
12:45:11  <Ammler> that is also firs related :-)
12:45:15  <planetmaker> :-)
12:45:46  <planetmaker> hm, what else?
12:46:06  <planetmaker> minimap changes somewhat, I think
12:46:11  <planetmaker> but also FIRS-related :-P
12:49:00  <planetmaker> well. There is airport and newobjects support in trunk, too
12:49:04  <planetmaker> quite big features, too
12:49:23  <planetmaker> just not many newgrfs there (i.e. none)
12:49:57  <greenlion> planetmaker, bug is present in 0.4
12:50:01  <Stablean> <Mks> when will 1.1 be out?
12:50:11  <planetmaker> next year
12:50:21  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
12:50:23  <planetmaker> greenlion: nice to know
12:50:34  <planetmaker> do you make a bug report please? :-)
12:50:40  <planetmaker> and thanks for testing first
12:50:48  <planetmaker> that *really* helps
12:51:08  <planetmaker> maybe even attach you testgame
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12:51:16  <greenlion> planetmaker, filling the bug
12:51:21  <planetmaker> thanks :-)
12:51:22  <Stablean> <avdg> hi
12:53:52  <Stablean> <avdg> looks like its always quite busy here :p
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12:55:11  <greenlion> planetmaker,  :)
12:56:20  <planetmaker> thanks
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12:59:56  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi
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13:00:06  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you should set a company password ;-)
13:00:08  <Stablean> <fjb> Moin
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13:02:26  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh thnx
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13:02:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm?
13:02:46  <Stablean> <greenlion> nice, my oil wells are grown more than 2 times already :)
13:02:57  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh my coal mine haven't grown at all
13:03:07  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> My wood almost doubled :)
13:03:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: did you supply them monthly with engineering supplies?
13:03:27  <Stablean> <greenlion> do you bring supplies to it, Mks?
13:03:30  <Stablean> <Mks> no
13:03:34  <Stablean> <Mks> well not yet
13:03:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> then don't expect growth
13:04:10  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh so if you don't supply they won't grow at all?
13:04:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I think so
13:04:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> just random production changes
13:04:34  <Stablean> *** Hirundo joined the game
13:04:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> while supplies increase the growth chance
13:04:41  <Stablean> <Hirundo> hello
13:04:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hi Hirundo
13:04:49  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh oh
13:04:59  <Stablean> <Mks> I see
13:05:01  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you joined an empty company ;-)
13:05:16  <Stablean> <Hirundo> problem being?
13:05:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> none at all
13:05:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I just told the owner to set a password. Than he lost connection :-P
13:05:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> then you joined ;-)
13:06:34  <Stablean> <Hirundo> upon significant payment, I will join any company you want :)
13:06:44  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hehe :-)
13:06:46  <Stablean> <Hirundo> (in-game money not accepted)
13:06:56  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh :-(
13:07:02  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm...
13:07:06  <Stablean> <Hirundo> pity, there is no industry chains window
13:07:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes...
13:07:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and no FIRS 0.4 for stable either
13:07:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and no parameter window
13:07:36  <Stablean> <Hirundo> where does oil go?
13:07:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and... so many nice new things
13:07:38  <Stablean> <Mks> when will FIRS 0.4 support stable?
13:07:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> refinery
13:07:46  <Stablean> <Mks> or rather wht version stable is needed
13:07:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: never ;-)
13:07:58  <Stablean> <Mks> well firs 0.5 then?
13:07:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> OpenTTD 1.1 probably
13:08:05  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh a long time then
13:08:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> maybe 0.5... if it's worth the effort
13:08:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> maybe it is
13:08:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's up to andy to decide
13:08:36  <Stablean> <Mks> if you stop suppling a mine will it decrease production then?
13:08:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> dunno
13:08:51  <Stablean> <Mks> why does 0.3 support stable then?
13:09:01  <Stablean> <greenlion> erhm, what does it mean FIRS 0.4 is not supported by stable? and I was testing it on 1.0.4 :)
13:09:01  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> less advanced code
13:09:07  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
13:09:24  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> greenlion: ok, might be that one can run it :-)
13:09:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but you cannot download it with a stable version ;-)
13:09:40  <Stablean> <greenlion> ah, ok :)
13:09:51  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> point is that at least industry placement code might not work as expected
13:10:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> and no precautions are taken for the missing features in OpenTTD which firs makes use of
13:10:46  <Stablean> <Mks> is there any other thing that makes engineering supplies other then machine shop?
13:10:56  <Stablean> <greenlion> lumber yard
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13:11:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm, damn... wrong button :-P
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13:11:45  <planetmaker> !rcon reset_company 7
13:11:45  <Stablean> planetmaker: Company deleted.
13:11:58  <Stablean> <greenlion> Mks, but beware of swapped production for lumber and chemicals in lumber yard :)
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13:13:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Hirundo: mind if I join you?
13:13:36  <Stablean> <Hirundo> not at all
13:14:04  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
13:14:05  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP:
13:14:05  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #264  name: 'Hirundo'  company: 6  IP:
13:14:05  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #228  name: 'Mks'  company: 2  IP:
13:14:06  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #234  name: 'C2H5OH'  company: 4  IP:
13:14:06  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #258  name: 'planetm4ker'  company: 255  IP:
13:14:06  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have one more message
13:14:13  <planetmaker> !rcon move 258 6
13:14:14  <Stablean> planetmaker: *** planetm4ker has joined company #6
13:14:31  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh, no need for a password removal ;-)
13:14:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but thanks :-)
13:15:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> new forests are also nicer in FIRS 0.4
13:15:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> what are your plans, Hirundo?
13:16:09  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I built one oil line for a starter
13:16:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I see that. But... as money is limited, I don't want to spend that on things you don't like ;-)
13:16:35  <Stablean> <Hirundo> my next plan was to feed the steel mill next to that
13:16:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ah
13:16:49  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ok
13:17:01  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I assume, steel is needed for supplies
13:17:23  <Stablean> <greenlion> you can produce supplies from fuel oil
13:17:51  <Stablean> <greenlion> and chemicals
13:17:57  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> he. might even be worth to open a nightly with firs 0.3, pause it and use it for industry chain view :-P
13:18:15  <Stablean> <greenlion> better open docs in browser :)
13:18:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Hirundo: !this?
13:18:31  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> greenlion: docs can be out-dated ;-)
13:18:39  <Stablean> <Hirundo> yup
13:18:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> TL5?
13:18:55  <Stablean> <greenlion> planetm4ker: true :)
13:19:31  <Stablean> <Hirundo> the trains I have currently are a bit underpowered
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13:20:02  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> as little slopes as possible :-)
13:23:48  <Stablean> <Mks> can junkyards increase production
13:23:52  <Stablean> <Mks> or are they a fixed?
13:23:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> dunno
13:24:13  <Stablean> <Hirundo> they increase with Eng Supplie
13:24:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> which engine, Hirundo?
13:25:12  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I used the 10-wheeler now, yet to see how it performs
13:25:30  <Stablean> <Hirundo> though without a correct refit it will go nowhere :)
13:25:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I see a 4-4-0 and not 4-6-0. But I'd opt for 4-6-0 Ten Wheeler
13:26:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> o_O
13:26:35  <Stablean> <Hirundo> 4-4-0 on the oil trains really slows down, it doesn't even reach top speed
13:28:26  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... German translation of this train set is only partially done
13:28:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> "Dienstwagen" in the error message, "Caboose" in the purchase menu
13:30:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-D
13:30:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> A steel mill without ore supply ;-)
13:30:50  <Stablean> <Mks> where?
13:30:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ours
13:31:00  <Stablean> <Hirundo> it's not realistic!!
13:31:02  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
13:31:04  <Stablean> <Mks> well
13:31:10  <Stablean> <Mks> you don't need to supply iron ore :)
13:31:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we all have to die.
13:31:12  <Stablean> <Mks> coal is fine
13:31:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: I know ;-)
13:32:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> nice. Train pays 33% of the purchase price with one delivery ;-)
13:32:44  <Stablean> <Hirundo> now, let's connect the machine shop up north
13:33:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> sign?
13:33:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> k
13:33:52  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> track left or right of lake?
13:33:54  <Stablean> <Hirundo> we can dump fuel oil + steel there
13:34:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I say left
13:34:37  <Stablean> <Hirundo> hmpf, bridges are kind of expensive :(
13:35:00  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-O
13:35:04  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> lool
13:35:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so... left = West?
13:35:34  <Stablean> <Hirundo> although... if you can bridge w/o terraform it's only 10k/bridge
13:35:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh
13:36:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> then let's do that
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13:36:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> though...
13:36:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> given your track connection: go around
13:36:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ok :-)
13:37:04  <Stablean> <Mks> wow
13:37:10  <Stablean> <Mks> whats up with the tree cost
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13:39:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Hirundo: separate stations for drop + pickup?
13:39:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes, rightß
13:39:50  <Stablean> <Hirundo> at least for the steel mill
13:40:00  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I meant machine shop
13:40:14  <Stablean> <Hirundo> yes, while you're at it
13:41:03  <Stablean> <Hirundo> mikado or ten-wheeler/
13:43:04  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> good question
13:43:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> for steel?
13:43:35  <Stablean> <Hirundo> steel / fuel oil
13:43:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm
13:45:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> take the faster one
13:45:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but... it doesn't reach the max speed?
13:45:44  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'll examine the scrap train
13:46:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> other question: how to distribute the eng supplies?
13:46:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> make a depot and from there by car?
13:46:58  <Stablean> <Hirundo> we'll see once we have money
13:47:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
13:48:37  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'll re-use the scrap metal configuration of Ten-Weeler+6 flatcars + caboose
13:48:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> k
13:50:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I like the depot idea...
13:50:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> vehicles allow smaller deliveries
13:50:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thus they spread out more evenly
13:51:06  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> depot=transfer station
13:51:29  <Stablean> <Hirundo> fine by me
13:51:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm. 40k gone? Train?
13:51:53  <Stablean> <Hirundo> fuel oil trains
13:52:44  <Stablean> <Hirundo> Mks, one of your trains is stuck at the junk yard
13:53:09  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
13:58:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... 32km/h is not fast for the supply trucks
14:00:33  <Stablean> <Hirundo> the next alternative is some sort of cheap engine + wagon, but that's quite a lot more expensive
14:00:56  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I build that now
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14:01:51  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> crap
14:02:06  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I may not build a station :-(
14:02:08  <Stablean> <Hirundo> where?
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14:02:16  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Senfingfield
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14:03:21  <Stablean> <Hirundo> shall we just re-use the existing rail inrastructure, at least for the others
14:03:35  <Stablean> <Hirundo> nvm
14:03:43  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh sorry :-)
14:04:05  <Stablean> <Hirundo> where does sand/gravel go?
14:04:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> glass requires sand
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14:05:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... forgot refit :-P
14:07:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I repaid a bit loan
14:09:05  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm...
14:09:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I guess we need to make a drop station near every industry which needs it. And then use these small vehicles to acutally deliver it
14:09:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> this is really inefficient
14:10:05  <Stablean> <Hirundo> because?
14:10:30  <planetmaker> look at the vehicles...
14:10:38  <planetmaker> you need A LOT
14:10:48  <planetmaker> and the supplies just gather dust
14:11:21  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'll be back in a few mins to look at it
14:11:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> k
14:15:32  <Stablean> <Mks> can you make a train to unload 50% then leave for next station?
14:15:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> no
14:15:46  <Stablean> <Mks> aww
14:16:35  <Stablean> <Mks> but you can make a train load 50% then go for next station right?
14:16:41  <Stablean> <Mks> why can't I make the revesre
14:16:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> no
14:17:19  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh doesn't conditional orders work like that?
14:17:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> no ;-)
14:17:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you can just load (whatever is there) and then decide upon the load percentage what to do next
14:18:13  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh but I wana do that with unload
14:18:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you unload all or nothing
14:18:40  <Stablean> <Mks> :(
14:18:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> same with load: either load all what is there. or load till the vehicle is full
14:19:55  <Stablean> <Hirundo> back
14:19:57  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah but with conditional order you can make it leave at 50% for another station right?
14:20:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> no
14:20:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> wb Hirundo
14:21:24  <Stablean> <Hirundo> HEQS would be nice for this
14:21:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes :-)
14:23:03  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I guess, the RV concept works for shorter distances
14:23:28  <Stablean> <Mks> the problem with RVs is you need so damn many if distance gets a bit high
14:23:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes
14:23:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> implementing it for the ore mine
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14:28:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-) That area now needs serious re-building
14:28:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or in 5 years
14:29:03  <Stablean> <Hirundo> what area/
14:29:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> machine shop
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14:29:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's ugly as hell
14:29:37  <Stablean> <Hirundo> indeed
14:30:22  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'll tackle that
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14:36:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that should suffice for a bit
14:37:28  <Stablean> <Hirundo> now, trains coming to MS pickup from the south side can't reserve a path
14:37:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm?
14:38:04  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ah
14:38:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes
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14:38:30  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> solved ;-)
14:39:22  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#10)
14:39:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> size 5
14:39:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :S
14:40:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> coal mine already doubled production
14:41:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
14:41:29  <Stablean> <Hirundo> nice, how the MS  has large dump trucks and tractors in 1920
14:41:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> haha :-)
14:41:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> they have their private engineer
14:42:05  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but they don't do business with us
14:42:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-(
14:42:48  <Stablean> <Hirundo> 800k to spend, what's next
14:42:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> 800k?
14:43:11  <Stablean> <Hirundo> yes
14:43:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh, you mean we _can_ spend?
14:43:41  <Stablean> <Hirundo> including loan, yes
14:43:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> what does accept fuel?
14:44:05  <Stablean> <Hirundo> machine shop
14:44:07  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm, we do that :-P
14:44:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> some farms?
14:44:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we have farm supplies potentially
14:44:31  <Stablean> <Hirundo> do they increase production fast/
14:44:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not sure
14:44:47  <Stablean> <Hirundo> hmm... I seem to have trouble writing question marks today
14:44:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
14:45:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we could be funny and move to another machine shop, further away :-)
14:45:30  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> A zeppelin costs 7 million/year :(?
14:45:37  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hehe
14:45:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> C2H5OH: yes. Air is just for eye candy
14:45:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> And think of the expensive helium
14:46:03  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> LOL, see who'll be the first to afford a plane :P
14:46:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep
14:46:20  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I think, we need more long-distance transportation
14:46:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes
14:46:43  <Stablean> <Hirundo> is there a nice glass works available somehwere?
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14:49:05  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> difficult
14:49:06  <Stablean> <Hirundo> what about transporting all our sand/gravel to !cement?
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14:49:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> sure, why not
14:49:44  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> mind, if I nevertheless start with some farms?
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14:49:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I think we can do both
14:50:19  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'm gonna eat something first, before it gets cold
14:50:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
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14:50:36  <Stablean> <Hirundo> go ahead and do what you like most
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15:13:44  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we got one long-distance ore mine
15:14:00  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I see
15:14:43  <Stablean> <Hirundo> do we build rail or e-rail?
15:14:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I built elrail
15:15:02  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but mine is set to 'most used'
15:15:27  <Stablean> <Hirundo> mine too, I wondered why the erail tool opened automagically
15:17:32  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'm constructing a cement line
15:17:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yup
15:17:49  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the ore mine was only my excuse to make the line profitable right now ;-)
15:17:57  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's my tracks to the farms actually :-P
15:19:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm. Brown is stealing our supplies
15:19:46  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> its only 6 tons
15:20:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I don't complain. It's by the rules
15:20:17  <Stablean> <Hirundo> we'll just buy exclusive rights when we get really rich :)
15:20:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> like that. And there are some tricks to get our rating to 100%, if needed ;-)
15:20:36  <Stablean> <Mks> you can't buy exlusive
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15:24:14  <Ammler> !players
15:24:17  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 295 (Pink) is Hirundo, in company 6 (Hirundo Transport)
15:24:17  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 228 (Red) is Mks, in company 2 (Mks Transport)
15:24:17  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 274 (Brown) is Drivebyhobo, in company 8 (Drivebyhobo Transport)
15:24:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 234 (Dark Blue) is C2H5OH, in company 4 (C2H5OH Transport)
15:24:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 258 (Pink) is planetm4ker, in company 6 (Hirundo Transport)
15:24:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 272 (Purple) is DayDreamer, in company 7 (DayDreamer Transport)
15:24:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 289 (Yellow) is jor[D]1, in company 3 (jor[D]1 Transport)
15:24:20  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 293 (Green) is greenlion, in company 1 (greenlion Transport)
15:24:20  <Stablean> Ammler: Client 297 (Pale Green) is Brent9000°, in company 10 (Brent9000° Transport)
15:24:31  <Ammler> !info
15:24:31  <Stablean> Ammler:
15:29:01  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#11)
15:30:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Hirundo: what about the Alco/GE Boxcab?
15:30:41  <Stablean> <Hirundo> looks fairly interesting, I think it can pull a TL5 train
15:30:55  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> or rather still the 4-4-2? I'll give it a try, I guess (the Alco)
15:31:07  <Stablean> <Hirundo> does it need a caboose?
15:31:19  <Stablean> <Mks> all trains need caboose if they are to long
15:32:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> he. You spend money fast ;-)
15:32:25  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I did some tf here and there
15:32:31  <Stablean> <Hirundo> line is done
15:32:35  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
15:34:20  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> arg
15:34:26  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> no vehicles to transport lifestock :-(
15:34:34  <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh
15:34:36  <Stablean> <Mks> really?
15:34:46  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> street vehicles
15:34:54  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
15:34:58  <Stablean> <Hirundo> pm, could you finish the sand stuff (some transfers +vehicles)?
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15:35:26  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'll have to make a 2h public transportation trip w/o  internet access :(
15:35:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> right. where do I have to look?
15:35:52  <Stablean> <Hirundo> near the refinery
15:35:57  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ok
15:36:34  <Stablean> <Hirundo> goodbye
15:36:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> cu
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15:36:52  <Stablean> <Amm1er> nice networks
15:37:26  <Stablean> * greenlion doesn't believe his network is nice :)
15:37:29  <Stablean> <Amm1er> are the streamers faster then diesel?
15:37:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> same thing
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15:37:49  <Stablean> <greenlion> no diesel available
15:37:59  <Stablean> <Amm1er> well, nice in the sense the "are" networks :-)
15:38:28  <Stablean> <Amm1er> oh, Elektric already :-o
15:38:52  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> when is this game going to end?
15:39:02  <Stablean> <Mks> around 2100
15:39:02  <Stablean> <Amm1er> in around 200 years?
15:41:38  <Stablean> <Amm1er> tf is quite expensive, you shouldn't you it too much ;-)
15:41:46  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep
15:41:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> quite so
15:41:58  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> quite good so :-)
15:42:04  <Stablean> <Amm1er> :-)
15:42:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I can afford 28x terraforming right now
15:42:52  <Stablean> <Mks> not water :)
15:43:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep. water is insane.
15:43:19  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> which is also good
15:43:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> these values should be default
15:43:31  <Stablean> <Mks> lol
15:43:39  <Stablean> <Amm1er> hehe
15:43:39  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I'm not joking
15:43:41  <Stablean> <Mks> still its only a problem in the begining of the game
15:43:48  <Stablean> <Amm1er> I can't tf one tile on water :-(
15:43:50  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean later on doesn't matter you can TF alot anyway
15:44:27  <Stablean> <Mks> even the game where TF prices was 10x what they are here
15:44:29  <Stablean> <Mks> in the end you could TF
15:44:37  <Stablean> <Mks> tho was impossible in the begining
15:45:00  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> the beginning is quite important
15:45:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> those who hold through to a big network don't want to ruin the game usually
15:45:18  <Stablean> <Amm1er> yeah, but that is fine, so admin only needs to be sure, a troll doesn't join a unpassworded company
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15:46:11  <Ammler> !companies
15:46:14  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 1 (Green): greenlion Transport
15:46:14  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 2 (Red): Mks Transport
15:46:14  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 3 (Yellow): jor[D]1 Transport
15:46:14  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 4 (Dark Blue): C2H5OH Transport
15:46:15  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 5 (Blue): American Donations
15:46:15  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 6 (Pink): Hirundo Transport
15:46:15  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 7 (Purple): DayDreamer Transport
15:46:16  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 8 (Brown): Drivebyhobo Transport
15:46:16  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 10 (Pale Green): Brent9000° Transport
15:46:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 11 (Orange): Buninghall Transport
15:46:18  <Stablean> Ammler: Company 12 (Light Blue): Amm1er Transport
15:46:20  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh not vehicles in your company ammler?
15:46:20  <Ammler> !rcon reset_company 12
15:46:21  <Stablean> Ammler: Company deleted.
15:46:46  <Stablean> <Amm1er> I tfed too much
15:46:52  <Stablean> <Amm1er> :-D
15:46:52  <Stablean> <greenlion> no his company already :)
15:47:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> lol, Amm1er
15:47:13  <Stablean> <Mks> lol you made a company to TF?
15:47:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you often do that, eh?
15:47:35  <Stablean> <Amm1er> well, as spec, you can't try such things
15:47:55  <Stablean> <Amm1er> and I don't wan't to make a existing company bankrupt :-P
15:48:05  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Drivebyhobo, any reason to place random tracks?
15:48:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> at !here?
15:48:30  <Stablean> <greenlion> woo, who is destructing around my tracks
15:48:35  <Stablean> <Amm1er> or shall I join pm and make this lake a nice farm ground?
15:48:49  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> wait what?
15:48:53  <Stablean> <Amm1er> :-D
15:49:05  <Stablean> <greenlion> C2H5OH: go away :)
15:49:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Drivebyhobo: what tracks are that at !here ?
15:49:47  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> ?
15:50:01  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> look at the sign !here
15:50:17  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> its not there randomly
15:50:57  <Stablean> <greenlion> hey, C2H5OH now plant some trees there :)
15:51:19  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> But then I can't see what you built :P...
15:51:37  <Stablean> <greenlion> C2H5OH: turn on transparency, dude :)
15:51:51  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> I know :)
15:51:53  <Stablean> <Amm1er> lol, does he bulldoze?
15:51:59  <Stablean> <greenlion> yes :)
15:52:05  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Trees are expensive :)
15:52:21  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah whats up with the price of trees?
15:52:29  <Stablean> <Mks> if you mess up you can't go near a city
15:52:47  <Stablean> <Amm1er> then don't mess up :-)
15:53:05  <Stablean> <Mks> well all you have to do is place a station wrong to mess up
15:53:08  <Stablean> <Amm1er> ask another company to make the "ugly" work for you
15:53:14  <Stablean> <Mks> or you might need to build a second station
15:53:21  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> Hope you like the light green trees :)?
15:54:05  <Stablean> <greenlion> C2H5OH: they're fine :)
15:54:22  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's why I've been asking ;-)
15:54:24  <Stablean> <Amm1er> red, you have more loks than waggons :-P
15:54:31  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I needed exactly there to build my supply chains
15:54:43  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> They cost about 15.000 $/a piece :)
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16:02:31  <Stablean> <C2H5OH> I got to be going, does anybody want my company/some money?
16:02:53  <Stablean> <Mks> game will pobarbly still be here tomorrow
16:03:58  <Stablean> <Mks> whats the best way to fix when you wish to deliver supplies from same industry to 2 diffrent locations?
16:04:06  <Stablean> <Mks> is it better to have 2 stations?
16:04:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> mks: orders
16:04:23  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> a->b->->c
16:04:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well
16:04:33  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> a->b->a->c
16:04:35  <Stablean> <Mks> you said I couldn't unload hafl at one station
16:04:45  <Stablean> <Mks> if I could I would
16:04:55  <Stablean> <greenlion> planetm4ker: and if distance from a to b and to c is different?
16:04:57  <Stablean> <Mks> like transport 10 tons to A and 10 tons to B
16:05:08  <Stablean> <Mks> from C
16:05:10  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> greenlion: yes, so what?
16:05:34  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> if I have one vehicle doing ABAC it will exactly deliver 50% to B and C
16:05:38  <Stablean> <greenlion> mmm... wait
16:05:41  <Stablean> <Mks> ahhh I get it
16:05:51  <Stablean> <greenlion> yes, right
16:05:55  <Stablean> <Mks> so thats better then having 2 diffrent orders?
16:06:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Drivebyhobo: build a terminus station at the wood
16:06:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> easier
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16:06:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> like !here
16:06:30  <Stablean> *** C2H5OH has left the game (leaving)
16:06:35  <Stablean> <Mks> and makes it easy to add another drop I guess?
16:06:45  <Stablean> <Mks> so if you have load at A then drop off B C D
16:06:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Mks: look at my supply distribution
16:06:51  <Stablean> <Mks> will it be like 33% on each then?
16:06:54  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> at the order of those trains
16:09:42  <Stablean> <greenlion> nice, my oil wells still on top of industries list by production :)
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16:26:57  <Stablean> <Mks> seems like everything almost is connected in FIRS so connect that then that and it never ends
16:27:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yep
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16:32:26  <Stablean> <Mks> why do only 1 farm get the supplies even tho the station cover both?
16:32:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> nearest always gets
16:32:53  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh so I need two stations then to fix that?
16:33:00  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes
16:33:06  <Stablean> <Mks> dang
16:33:12  <Stablean> <Mks> its not alot of space there :P
16:33:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> unless you deliver so many (64k / month?) that the other one gets some, too ;-)
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17:01:52  <Stablean> <Mks> planetmaker are you suppling all your industries with what they need?
17:02:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I try. But I don't think all
17:02:46  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> like, I don't have manufacturing supplies
17:02:52  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> so obviously the meat packer won't get any
17:03:03  <Stablean> *** sharpy has left the game (connection lost)
17:03:05  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh but you have sand so you can make manufactring
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17:03:37  <Stablean> <BennyCZ> ahoj
17:03:44  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> actually a good idea, mks :-)
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17:07:38  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> mks... the cement plant produces goods...
17:07:42  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not supplies
17:07:56  <Stablean> <Mks> I am not using a cement plant
17:08:17  <Stablean> <Mks> you can deliver sand to a glass works
17:08:24  <Stablean> <Mks> to get manufacturing supplies
17:08:32  <Stablean> <Mks> you get goods as well thought
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17:28:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> o_O
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17:28:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> 1km/h is NOT good ;-)
17:28:39  <Stablean> <Mks> no
17:28:41  <Stablean> <Mks> not really
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18:01:56  <Hirundo> planetmaker: bankrupt yet?
18:02:02  <planetmaker> what?
18:02:10  <planetmaker> hey :-)
18:02:15  <planetmaker> not quite
18:02:28  <planetmaker> But my latest engine replacement *might* not have been the best choice.
18:02:41  <planetmaker> I overlooked TE. But on average it might still be better
18:02:42  <Hirundo> Do I need to help pushing?
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18:02:47  <planetmaker> as it's 50% faster
18:03:00  <planetmaker> yes, sometimes :-P
18:03:28  <Stablean> *** Hirundo joined the game
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18:04:22  <planetmaker> !rcon companies
18:04:22  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:1(Green) Company Name: 'greenlion Transport'  Year Founded: 1900  Money: 4293553  Loan: 0  Value: 6007648  (T:27, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
18:04:23  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:2(Red) Company Name: 'Mks Transport'  Year Founded: 1900  Money: 2543960  Loan: 0  Value: 10941241  (T:98, R:17, P:0, S:0) protected
18:04:23  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:3(Yellow) Company Name: 'jor[D]1 Transport'  Year Founded: 1901  Money: 1607630  Loan: 480000  Value: 1256938  (T:7, R:16, P:0, S:0) protected
18:04:23  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:4(Dark Blue) Company Name: 'C2H5OH Transport'  Year Founded: 1901  Money: 29763215  Loan: 0  Value: 30187645  (T:57, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
18:04:23  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:5(Blue) Company Name: 'American Donations'  Year Founded: 1906  Money: 1366258  Loan: 240000  Value: 1143125  (T:2, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
18:04:24  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have 4 more messages
18:04:27  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
18:04:27  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP:
18:04:27  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #329  name: 'planetm4ker'  company: 255  IP:
18:04:27  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #228  name: 'Mks'  company: 2  IP:
18:04:28  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #274  name: 'Drivebyhobo'  company: 8  IP:
18:04:28  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #319  name: 'greenlion'  company: 1  IP:
18:04:30  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have 3 more messages
18:04:37  <planetmaker> !rcon move 329 6
18:04:37  <Stablean> planetmaker: *** planetm4ker has joined company #6
18:04:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ho
18:04:50  <Stablean> <Hirundo> TE is limiting only up to around 36 km/h for the hudson
18:05:23  <Stablean> <Mks> mm slow trains?
18:05:29  <Stablean> <Mks> your not using the 177km/h steam loco?
18:05:40  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I do
18:05:51  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh not all trains?
18:05:57  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not yet
18:06:10  <Stablean> <Hirundo> Force = min(TE, Power/speed), the 2nd term becomes dominant fairly quickly
18:06:14  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> obviously some didn't get replaced automatically so far
18:07:13  <Stablean> <Mks> I see
18:07:19  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'm gonna connect some more mines / sand pits / etc, ok?
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18:10:04  <Stablean> <Mks> to much rails :P
18:10:09  <Stablean> <Mks> hard to connect some things
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18:14:06  <Stablean> <Hirundo> should newly built trains use the 177 km/h engine or the boxcab?
18:15:11  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... gotta fix some makefiles
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18:26:02  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
18:26:06  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
18:26:08  <Stablean> <Chimera> hey
18:26:08  <Stablean> <greenlion> hi
18:26:14  <Stablean> <V453000> how is it? :)
18:26:14  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hou
18:26:24  <Stablean> <Mks> to much rails in the way
18:26:30  <Stablean> <V453000> I see :)
18:26:30  <Stablean> <V453000> god
18:26:32  <Stablean> <V453000> good
18:27:05  <Stablean> <Mks> is that good?
18:27:31  <Stablean> <greenlion> with such low station spread it is hard to grow industry  infinetely :)
18:27:56  <Stablean> <Mks> well its acually a enough for 1 maxed out mine but
18:28:10  <Stablean> <Mks> harder with the secondary industries I would say
18:28:13  <Stablean> <Chimera> omg the industries settings look rather complex :D
18:28:48  <Stablean> <V453000> DD: train 28
18:28:48  <Stablean> <greenlion> which mine have you maxed, Mks?
18:29:00  <Stablean> <Mks> I haven't maxed out any
18:29:02  <Stablean> <Mks> but
18:29:14  <Stablean> <Mks> I know its enough from other servers
18:29:28  <Stablean> <Mks> acually a station spread of 3 would work
18:29:40  <Stablean> <V453000> do you think I make settings regarding other servers? ...
18:29:54  <Stablean> <Mks> err other game I mean
18:29:54  <Stablean> <V453000> almost an insult :p
18:30:08  <Stablean> <V453000> other game? Starcraft?
18:30:08  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
18:30:20  <Stablean> <greenlion> what is limit for primary industy production?
18:30:42  <Stablean> <V453000> dunno, probably same as for standard ones?
18:30:45  <Stablean> <V453000> really dont know :)
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18:31:19  <V453000> meh :)
18:31:31  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
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18:31:45  <Stablean> <Mks> fírs is quite complex
18:31:47  <Stablean> <Mks> I only have 1 coal mine
18:31:53  <Stablean> <Mks> and 106 trains
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18:41:29  <Stablean> <Chimera> hmm this kinda gives me ideeas of huge industrial complexes :D
18:51:13  <Hirundo> planetmaker: why did you build all those bridges next to the steel mill (looks like a half-finished junction) ?
18:51:28  <planetmaker> Hirundo: yes
18:51:34  <planetmaker> that's it exactly
18:51:43  <planetmaker> actually the junction is finished...
18:51:54  <planetmaker> but meanwhile it got nearly impossible to connect tracks
18:51:54  <Stablean> <Hirundo> just connected to the void
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18:53:16  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
18:53:16  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP:
18:53:16  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #333  name: 'Drivebyhobo'  company: 8  IP:
18:53:16  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #228  name: 'Mks'  company: 2  IP:
18:53:17  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #335  name: 'Chimera'  company: 9  IP:
18:53:17  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #319  name: 'greenlion'  company: 1  IP:
18:53:18  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have 4 more messages
18:53:21  <planetmaker> !more
18:53:21  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #325  name: 'Hirundo'  company: 6  IP:
18:53:22  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #339  name: 'Brent9000°'  company: 10  IP:
18:53:22  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #272  name: 'DayDreamer'  company: 7  IP:
18:53:22  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #341  name: 'planetm4ker'  company: 255  IP:
18:53:28  <planetmaker> !rcon move 341 6
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18:54:24  <Stablean> <Hirundo> foundry?
18:54:57  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'm still resolving jams etc
18:55:24  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I'd prefer not to crowd that area further
18:55:42  <Stablean> <Hirundo> It's better to use a different foundry, I think
18:55:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> maybe, yes
18:56:06  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> that's what I left with: solving jams here and there. Improving junctions
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18:56:41  <Stablean> <Hirundo> that's my plan too, just tidy up the whole network so there's room for expanding again
18:56:57  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> o_O you built quite a shortcut there
18:57:18  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> to exactly that junction I re-built just before I left :-)
18:57:32  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I had to get rid of the passing lanes at the steel mill
18:57:42  <Stablean> <Hirundo> They blocked the much-needed expansion
18:57:46  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> passing lane?
18:57:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> oh. there
18:58:31  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> is it me or does the server lag?
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19:03:15  <Stablean> <Hirundo> sending all trains for servicing = not a good idea
19:03:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
19:07:29  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I stil feel that (reverse side of 1way pbs signal  == safe waiting point) is a misfeature
19:07:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> uhm... it's implemented
19:07:54  <Stablean> <Hirundo> at least, when combined with YAPF's habit to pick a random track when lost
19:08:24  <Stablean> <greenlion> hmm... I thought reverse side is not waiting point
19:09:09  <Stablean> <Chimera> ouch
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19:12:09  <Stablean> <Chimera> ups ty :D
19:16:29  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I just inaugurated a trans-map goods service
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19:18:48  <Stablean> <Hirundo> pm: would you mind refitting your goods trains to goods?
19:19:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> yes. :-P
19:19:48  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hard to do, if they already are :-)
19:19:52  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> thanks
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19:23:00  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> Hirundo: that needed to go temporarily
19:23:04  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> trains didn't find their way
19:23:10  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I notice
19:23:12  <Stablean> <Hirundo> d
19:23:35  <planetmaker> !setdef
19:23:36  <Stablean> *** planetmaker has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
19:23:46  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why does it wait?
19:23:52  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> ah
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19:25:40  <Stablean> <Hirundo> any objections against unifying the eng. and farm supplies pickup?
19:25:49  <V453000> pm: setdef should be always on when I create games ;)
19:26:13  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
19:26:27  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> re-applying doesn't hurt
19:26:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> what is the cargo weight multiplier?
19:27:05  <V453000> the freight_trains ?
19:27:16  <V453000> 1 should be almost always
19:27:23  <V453000> !rcon set freight_trains
19:27:23  <Stablean> V453000: Current value for 'freight_trains' is: '1' (min: 1, max: 255)
19:27:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hard to believe
19:27:33  <V453000> I rarely set it higher
19:27:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> double traction slowing down on uphill
19:27:47  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> 2nd most powerful engines
19:28:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... I want advanced replace ;-)
19:28:50  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> regex replace :-P
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19:31:28  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> o_O
19:31:42  <greenlion_> 
19:31:56  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> a whole set of trains obviously doing loss.
19:31:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> something's wrong
19:32:26  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I just added a missing junction piece, that might help
19:32:45  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> for ore trains from the North?
19:32:54  <Stablean> <Hirundo> yup
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19:40:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I upgraded all those long-distance ore mines to double-traction pensylvania
19:40:47  <Stablean> <Chimera> jord you're around ?
19:40:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hes not
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19:48:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... you removed the FS pickup?
19:48:23  <Stablean> <Hirundo> yes
19:48:44  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> why?
19:48:53  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it makes sense to have it a separate station
19:49:46  <Stablean> <Hirundo> It could be re-separated now, now there's room
19:50:12  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> uhm... room?
19:50:32  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> honestly... I'd just use another MS ;-)
19:51:43  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> hm... the other one is also crowded...
19:51:45  <Stablean> <Hirundo> MS pickup is 4 platforms now, that should do for some time
19:52:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> not really
19:52:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we need to have excellent service there
19:52:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> we cannot afford to loose that by doubling with FS
19:53:15  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> I separated it for that exact reason
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19:59:25  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> you played too much on goal servers
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20:04:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> merger?
20:04:54  <Stablean> <Hirundo> 1 pound for a transport company is peanuts :)
20:05:02  <Stablean> <Hirundo> even if it has a negative value
20:05:08  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-)
20:05:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, thats a takeover, i just saw  merger
20:05:21  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> it's realistic :-P
20:05:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
20:06:52  * V453000 was thinking about a merger in a different way :)
20:07:41  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> lol :-) @ running costs air
20:08:15  <V453000> see ships :p
20:08:17  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> tripple our annual earnings
20:08:28  <Stablean> <Hirundo> time to increase our annual earnings, then
20:08:33  <V453000> im not sure which is higher but still :)
20:08:36  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> just saw it when I was offered to test a plane
20:08:43  <V453000> :D
20:08:51  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> 6.5M per year for a 44 pax plane @ 400 km/h
20:09:00  <V453000> with 1/2 speed :p
20:09:03  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> :-P
20:09:09  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> trains do 160km/h
20:09:49  <Stablean> <Mks> 177 even on trains
20:09:59  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> 185 even, if I wanted
20:10:01  <Stablean> <planetm4ker> but not ours
20:10:09  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
20:10:22  <V453000> !date
20:10:22  <Stablean> V453000: 12 Jun 1943
20:10:24  <V453000> hehe
20:10:25  <Stablean> <Mks> so slow trains
20:10:29  <V453000> fastest for quite some time :p
20:10:35  <Stablean> <Mks> and weak trains
20:10:36  <V453000> Mks: it is 1943
20:10:38  <V453000> whad would you want
20:10:42  <Stablean> <Mks> well they are fast int he begining yes
20:10:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> mks,still problems with # 57
20:10:48  <Stablean> <Mks> but they never acually get faster
20:10:53  <V453000> 201
20:10:57  <V453000> is enough I guess
20:11:31  <V453000> btw there is a reason why we use this train set so rarely :p
20:11:38  <V453000> but with FIRS it is quite good
20:11:46  <V453000> (in compare with others)
20:15:17  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh why is it good with FIRS?
20:15:38  <V453000> 2cc set sucks royally, UKRS has basically 4 wagons and I am not sure if fully compatible (but I think it is), Tropic Refurbishment doesnt support additional cargoes, what set am I missing?
20:16:08  <Stablean> <Mks> mm
20:16:14  <Stablean> <Mks> those that are used here I guess
20:16:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well orginal set also
20:16:40  <V453000> original set isnt compatible with firs afaik
20:16:48  <V453000> and if it is, it is ugly :)
20:16:51  <V453000> with it
20:17:18  <V453000> NARS has quite nice wagons ... for example gravel being grey, that isnt in any other :p
20:19:01  <V453000> sure, trains suck ... :) but the steamers are nice for the start, then GG1 is cool ... and well then the AEM7 in the end isnt anyhow very good but 2x TL3 is quite good I think
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20:27:19  <Stablean> <Hirundo> the company I bought for 1 pound actually makes quite a nice profit :)
20:27:56  <planetmaker> :-)
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20:56:18  <Ammler> [22:16] <V453000> original set isnt compatible with firs afaik <-- you need old-waggons-new-cargos.grf
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21:08:25  <V453000> Ammler: does that actually work completely though?
21:08:33  <V453000> not sure
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21:09:13  <Ammler> me neither, and it is still ugly
21:09:22  <Ammler> as no graphics
21:14:31  <V453000> :)
21:14:39  <V453000> without a doubt
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21:21:09  <Stablean> <Mks> can't you mix NARS with something for better locos?
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21:27:09  <V453000> Mks: no
21:27:14  <V453000> totally incompatible with any other set
21:27:22  <Stablean> <CameronW.> ty
21:27:25  <V453000> technically (NARS will disable when any other set is added)
21:29:15  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> gn
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21:29:39  <Stablean> <CameronW.> gn
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21:37:36  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> what is usually the town growth speed here?
21:41:20  <V453000> 1
21:41:21  <V453000> slow
21:41:31  <V453000> !rcon set town_growth_rate
21:41:32  <Stablean> V453000: Current value for 'town_growth_rate' is: '1' (min: 0, max: 4)
21:41:47  <V453000> when you play for like 100 or more years, you tend to get large towns even with this ;)
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21:54:56  <planetmaker> [23:27]	<V453000>	technically (NARS will disable when any other set is added) <-- read the readme ;-)
21:55:20  <Stablean> <Mks> why does NARS work like that?
21:55:34  <V453000> ask coder
21:55:48  <Stablean> <Mks> well
21:55:54  <Stablean> <Mks> still
21:56:05  <Stablean> <Mks> could be something thats in openttd as well
21:56:26  <V453000> I guess he is thinking that his train set is uber amazing and none can be so rude to stand in one game with it
21:56:34  <V453000> well all others dont do it :p
21:56:57  <Stablean> <Mks> shouldn't be possible to code a newgrf like that
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22:08:57  <Stablean> <davis> -
22:09:01  <davis> here we go
22:09:02  <davis> !rules
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22:56:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hobo? you there?
22:56:44  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> yea
22:56:54  <Stablean> <davis> :)
22:56:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i wanna do something, for you
22:57:13  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i am dubious of offers from televsion pitchmen
22:57:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you remove those bridges at !here
22:57:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ill build a bridge over them
22:57:47  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> what did you want me to do again
22:57:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> remove bridges, build straight line
22:58:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ill build bridges over those
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23:18:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hobo, still there?
23:18:53  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i am going to be here until i finish my meningville to cardstone bay line
23:20:33  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> alright then
23:21:36  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> could you look at cardstone bay?
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23:27:40  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
23:27:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
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23:33:58  <V453000> gnight
23:34:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> night
23:34:14  <Stablean> <davis> night
23:34:17  <V453000> dont play all night :P
23:34:29  <davis> haha i'll try
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23:38:55  <Stablean> <davis> hey Mks
23:39:22  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
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