Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 20th September 2010:
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01:14:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i cant be bribed :P
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01:18:11  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> would you buy me out?
01:18:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how do you mean?
01:19:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're done playing?
01:19:20  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> if i buy an airplane the ultra high running costs on this server will bankrupt me and give you the option to buy me out
01:19:22  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> no
01:19:32  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> all the town authorities hate me
01:19:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
01:19:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure
01:21:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> first, stop all your trains
01:21:12  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> no need
01:21:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> second, give whats left to me
01:21:28  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> look at the running costs of aircraft
01:21:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> will go faster
01:21:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know, ridiculously high
01:21:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you're not hemorrhaging money yet
01:22:07  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> well i can buy some more !
01:22:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its easier to stop all of your trains
01:23:00  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> im hemopharing now
01:23:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no offer yet
01:24:10  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i have a feeling this will backfire
01:24:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, im only one here
01:24:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so they have to offer to me
01:27:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, first message now
01:27:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ... will be sold off or declared bankrupt etc
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01:35:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> look for local authority rating
01:47:21  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i could always knock off a tile or two
01:48:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> should do that on the other side
01:48:49  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> well i was thinking a tunnel from the city
01:49:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, you could do that when your ready
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01:55:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you still need to have a service between rutbridge and nunbourne?
01:55:34  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i wanted to have them diverge
01:56:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, but you might be able to do that, but then you wont have a service between rutbridge and nunbounre
01:56:24  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> how?
01:56:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, the line from nunbourne will go frome !here
01:56:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to about !here
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01:57:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and you can cross the red track near rutbridge
01:57:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> want me to give it a shot?
01:58:12  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> go ahead
01:59:31  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> how bout this
01:59:41  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> connect rutbridge to your line
01:59:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah
02:01:05  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> lookat the what is here sign
02:01:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what is there?
02:01:54  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> what did you mean by about here
02:02:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, the line from !here to !about here
02:05:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> from where to where do you want the express trains?
02:06:31  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i was originally going to do cardstone bay heights to meningville
02:09:10  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> im going to finish off the final portion of my 4 track line at the meningville end
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02:32:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you still there?
02:32:50  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> yes but im pretty tired
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02:35:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im off
02:35:32  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> see you in the maglev age then
02:35:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> decide what to do with the unused Harston stations
02:37:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh, and you may have noticed, i have some other cities too
02:37:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sarnford, Larfinghill, Bratborough and Grefingbourne
02:37:58  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> all very deep behind enemy lines
02:38:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you would like to connect them to rail, that would be lovely
02:38:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or just between them, without connecting them to exisiting rail
02:38:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> as you please
02:39:14  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> same
02:39:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ok
02:40:36  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> bye
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07:09:54  <Stablean> <greenlion> vehicles renames are global? then somebody renamed crappiest engine to "Teh Suck" :)
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10:19:13  <Mks> !date
10:19:13  <Stablean> Mks:  4 Jun 1980
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10:22:50  <Stablean> <Hirundo> hello
10:22:52  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
10:28:36  <planetmaker> moin
10:28:46  <planetmaker> !rcon companies
10:28:47  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:1(Green) Company Name: 'greenlion Transport'  Year Founded: 1900  Money: 25885509  Loan: 0  Value: 27565567  (T:38, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:47  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:2(Red) Company Name: 'Mks Transport'  Year Founded: 1900  Money: 422020642  Loan: 0  Value: 425466839  (T:225, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:47  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:3(Yellow) Company Name: 'jor[D]1 Transport'  Year Founded: 1901  Money: 15116688  Loan: 490000  Value: 14769540  (T:12, R:16, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:47  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:4(Dark Blue) Company Name: 'C2H5OH Transport'  Year Founded: 1901  Money: 203202714  Loan: 0  Value: 203793510  (T:57, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:48  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:5(Blue) Company Name: 'American Donations'  Year Founded: 1906  Money: 1234877  Loan: 240000  Value: 1011545  (T:2, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:48  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have 7 more messages
10:28:48  <Stablean> <Hirundo> moin
10:28:50  <Stablean> <davis> hi =)
10:28:56  <planetmaker> !more
10:28:56  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:6(Pink) Company Name: 'Hirundian Planet Factory'  Year Founded: 1913  Money: 197904833  Loan: 0  Value: 204084105  (T:116, R:24, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:56  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:7(Purple) Company Name: 'DayDreamer Transport'  Year Founded: 1918  Money: 83737649  Loan: 0  Value: 85939941  (T:110, R:30, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:56  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:9(White) Company Name: 'X-Team I.N.C.'  Year Founded: 1936  Money: 11364220  Loan: 500000  Value: 10933167  (T:7, R:51, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:57  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:10(Orange) Company Name: 'CameronW. Transport'  Year Founded: 1948  Money: 1327944  Loan: 0  Value: 1447801  (T:4, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:57  <Stablean> planetmaker: #:11(Brown) Company Name: 'Interborough Rapid Transit'  Year Founded: 1941  Money: 50729132  Loan: 0  Value: 51817265  (T:81, R:197, P:0, S:0) protected
10:28:58  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have 2 more messages
10:29:43  <planetmaker> hehe. Meanwhile you might be able to afford your CEO's own lear jet, Hirundo ;-)
10:30:06  <davis> :D
10:30:19  <Stablean> <Hirundo> we're currently operating at a loss this year
10:30:27  <Stablean> <Hirundo> autoreplace :)
10:30:48  <Stablean> <davis> i still like my steam engines :D
10:30:52  <planetmaker> :-)
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10:31:41  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
10:31:41  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP:
10:31:41  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #421  name: 'davis'  company: 12  IP:
10:31:42  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #406  name: 'Chimera'  company: 255  IP:
10:31:42  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #423  name: 'Mks'  company: 2  IP:
10:31:42  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #425  name: 'Hirundo'  company: 6  IP:
10:31:42  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have one more message
10:31:49  <V453000> !date
10:31:49  <Stablean> V453000: 17 Apr 1981
10:31:50  <planetmaker> !more
10:31:50  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #427  name: 'planetm4ker'  company: 255  IP:
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10:31:54  <Stablean> <davis> doh
10:31:56  <planetmaker> !rcon move 427 6
10:31:56  <Stablean> planetmaker: ERROR: Invalid client-id, check the command 'clients' for valid client-id's.
10:32:09  <V453000> wtf :D
10:32:18  <V453000> oh
10:32:23  <davis> server does not like you.
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10:32:35  <planetmaker> !rcon move 428 6
10:32:35  <Stablean> planetmaker: ERROR: Invalid client-id, check the command 'clients' for valid client-id's.
10:32:40  <planetmaker> !rcon clients
10:32:40  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP:
10:32:40  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #421  name: 'davis'  company: 12  IP:
10:32:40  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #406  name: 'Chimera'  company: 255  IP:
10:32:41  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #423  name: 'Mks'  company: 2  IP:
10:32:41  <Stablean> planetmaker: Client #425  name: 'Hirundo'  company: 6  IP:
10:32:42  <planetmaker> !more
10:32:43  <Stablean> planetmaker: you have no more messages
10:32:50  <planetmaker> hm mäh
10:33:06  <Stablean> <davis> typical noise of dissaproval of a german man? :D
10:33:33  <V453000> odd :O
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10:34:03  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
10:34:13  <Stablean> <davis> helloo
10:35:06  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm finally the fast trains eh :p
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10:36:38  <Stablean> <Hirundo> pm: perhaps we should setup a new steel mill
10:36:54  <planetmaker> seems I cannot setup anything anymore :-(
10:37:02  <Stablean> <Hirundo> why not?
10:37:27  <planetmaker> let's try to connect again...
10:37:50  <Stablean> <davis> Mks
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10:38:06  <Stablean> <davis> no offense but why do you spam a bunch of the industries you deliver to with senseless tracks?!
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10:38:15  <Stablean> <greenlion> silly oil wells does not want to grow more... :)
10:38:21  <Stablean> <davis> doesn't bother my game flow , but it just looks quite ugly to me
10:38:39  <Stablean> <V453000> davis: against idiots who attempt to steal from his industries I suppose :)
10:38:43  <planetmaker> Hirundo: but in any case that sounds like a good idea
10:38:45  <Stablean> <davis> no blocking?
10:38:47  <Stablean> <davis> :)
10:38:59  <Stablean> <V453000> this isnt blocking really
10:39:02  <Stablean> <V453000> blocking is offensive
10:39:10  <planetmaker> one for the MS. The other for the forge
10:39:22  <Stablean> <davis> well honestly I think that there is no "stealing"
10:39:26  <Stablean> <davis> since noone can own a industry
10:39:50  <Stablean> <davis> it's normal behaviour that you don't  try to destroy anyone else's lines by delivering to the same place
10:39:54  <Stablean> <davis> but that's just me I guess.
10:39:55  <planetmaker> V453000: but spamming pointless tracks, disallowing access is IMHO blocking
10:40:20  <Stablean> <davis> the blocking doesn't bother me , it just doesn't look nice :P
10:41:13  <Stablean> <davis> mks seems to be afk regardless.
10:41:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I think its fine :)
10:41:20  <Stablean> <Mks> well I got a train running on it so its not senless track
10:41:24  <Stablean> <davis> ...
10:41:28  <Stablean> <davis> yes it is
10:41:36  <Stablean> <V453000> Mks: dont bullshit us at least
10:41:44  <Stablean> <Mks> :P
10:41:54  <Stablean> <Mks> but its like you said V I don't want others to "steal"
10:42:00  <Stablean> <Mks> since I can't build a large station
10:42:08  <Stablean> <davis> there is no stealing
10:42:08  <Stablean> <Mks> well
10:42:27  <Stablean> <Mks> if I deliver tons of stuff to an industry and someone tries to transport that its "stealing"
10:42:33  <Stablean> <Hirundo> it is *not*
10:42:40  <Stablean> <V453000> although Mks, you know too well that people who steal are deleted by me so it is quite pointless :p
10:42:52  <Stablean> <davis>
10:42:58  <Stablean> <davis> first rule , thanks
10:43:10  <Stablean> <V453000> davis: we are not
10:43:21  <planetmaker> V453000: this server knows no stealing
10:43:37  <V453000> ...
10:43:40  <planetmaker> any competition goes
10:43:51  <V453000> if you want to let people behave like asses, allow it ;)
10:43:53  <Stablean> <davis> well those are some general multiplayer rules that I think fit on pretty much any game
10:44:22  <planetmaker> You have strange definition of 'stealing'. If I take the goods of a factory someone ships the grain. What do I steal? Nothing
10:44:46  <Stablean> <V453000> good, I still think that carrying out others goods is just royally rude and spawns nothing else but hate, therefore I consider it retarded and I disallow it :)
10:44:48  <Stablean> <Mks> well you steal the goods
10:45:03  <planetmaker> It's not rude the least
10:45:05  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean if you don't deliver grain
10:45:07  <Stablean> <davis> i'm not arguing that it can be annoying that other players take advantage of "your" delivered industries however
10:45:18  <Stablean> <davis> especialy on a server like this with some connetion to the irc community
10:45:21  <planetmaker> V453000: uhm... please don't ban people on that basis
10:45:23  <Stablean> <davis> fairplay is fairly familiar
10:45:26  <planetmaker> that's not in our rules
10:45:33  <planetmaker> So moderate by the rules
10:45:42  <V453000> pm: well when the person who is delivering it does actually agree with your taking of goods, then it is fine
10:45:52  <V453000> but usually the second person comes just as an invader
10:45:54  <planetmaker> V453000: there's no agreement needed
10:46:02  <V453000> then it is rude
10:46:07  <planetmaker> no
10:46:33  <Stablean> <Hirundo> If I spot a factory that's outputting 1k/month with no-one transporting it... I know what to do :)
10:46:36  <planetmaker> why is it ruder than transporting coal from the same mine?
10:46:46  <planetmaker> exactly, Hirundo
10:47:00  <V453000> cause the coal is just "the source" and you have like 10 coal mines all around the map
10:47:04  <Stablean> <Mks> well if noone is transporting it its a bit diffrence
10:47:09  <planetmaker> V453000: and like 10 factories
10:47:11  <V453000> as Mks said
10:47:17  <Stablean> <Mks> but if the player is transporting and a company just try to leach
10:47:19  <Stablean> <davis> it's all a matter of fairplay , which is fairly uncommon on normal public servers , but i'd think players from the "irc community" would be able to play fair.
10:47:22  <V453000> pm: but you dont usually service 10 factories
10:47:28  <planetmaker> So?
10:47:42  <planetmaker> There is no difference
10:47:57  <V453000> well, so you might care about your one factory more than about one of your 10 coal mines
10:48:18  <planetmaker> I might care about one coal mine more than about all other industries
10:48:18  <V453000> especially when you start to have jams just because there is suddenly not enough goods
10:48:31  <planetmaker> same for coal
10:49:09  <V453000> cant agree :) we talked about this multiple times already but I think we cant agree ever
10:49:17  <planetmaker> <-- we allow all competition
10:49:22  <planetmaker> Transporting anything is fine
10:49:24  <V453000> officially
10:49:49  <planetmaker> Yes. and PLEASE don't then make personal rules which are just valid only because you play (too)
10:49:55  <Stablean> <davis> so transporting anything is fine means that we are allowed to "posses" industries for our own by blocking the access?
10:49:58  <planetmaker> that resorts to unfair or favourism
10:50:08  <planetmaker> davis: no
10:50:11  <planetmaker> No blocking ever
10:50:15  <Stablean> <davis> here we go Mks
10:50:18  <V453000> I rather use "human" bent-able rules so that asses get rid of :p
10:50:37  <planetmaker> V453000: that's just the euphemism for favourism
10:51:06  <V453000> and a way how to improve the general atmosphere in game
10:51:22  <planetmaker> I think we decided for good reasons to _write_ down the server rules
10:51:43  <V453000> yes, but situation changed quite a bit I think :) there a lot better players now
10:51:47  <planetmaker> either all or nothing. stealing
10:51:59  <planetmaker> everything else is bullshit
10:52:03  <V453000> rather nothing works here
10:52:06  <V453000> already
10:52:12  <Stablean> <Mks> so you think even if I ask someone not to take my cargo
10:52:13  <planetmaker> and you argue for *some*. which is ... not understandable
10:52:20  <Stablean> <Mks> its still ok to take the cargo?
10:52:20  <planetmaker> Mks: yes
10:52:24  <Stablean> <davis> if they are being a uptight asshole , yes it is
10:52:38  <V453000> yes, and we want no assholes :p
10:52:47  <V453000> well at least I dont
10:52:51  <Stablean> <davis> me neither
10:53:06  <planetmaker> If you want no competition, you can play on the main server
10:53:08  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I tend to compete only with those that try to block me. Does that make me an asshole?
10:53:18  <Stablean> <davis> makes you stubborn :p
10:53:19  <planetmaker> This is a 'normal' gameplay
10:53:35  <V453000> pm: I am rarely playing here and it still is totally different :) even when you dont compete/steal/whatever
10:53:54  <planetmaker> that's what I'm saying
10:54:17  <Stablean> <Mks> most players that try to steal are real idiots
10:54:22  <planetmaker> But disallowing competition... why?
10:54:28  <planetmaker> why selectively?
10:54:29  <Stablean> <Mks> so you mean you like them no mather what they do?
10:54:40  <Stablean> <davis> since this server is still called "OpenttdCOOP" public server
10:54:46  <planetmaker> I don't *like* nor do I do that usually myself
10:54:51  <V453000> davis: openttdcoop is our organization
10:54:56  <Stablean> <davis> i think people should try to play "with" each other , more than against each other
10:55:02  <planetmaker> But I can cope with it and it is a challange. I do the same as Hirundo just said
10:55:07  <Stablean> <davis> hey , don't crit my logic :P
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10:56:30  <planetmaker> I personally like the coexistence, too. But having fuzzy rules on where you may or may not transport cargo from industries... that's bad
10:56:42  <Stablean> <davis> yeah
10:57:12  <Stablean> <davis> doing that you could limit cities to one player too
10:57:19  <V453000> well in 90% cases it looks like there is a person who has quite a nice network, then comes an idiot who cant even build signals and steals a large amount of his goods ... is that normal?
10:57:30  <Stablean> <Mks> and mm about the blocking secondary industries then building a station that blocks access to it and is used is still blocking and not allowed?
10:58:48  <Stablean> <davis> it happens
11:01:04  <planetmaker> V453000: what's so bad about that?
11:01:11  <V453000> are you serious?
11:01:21  <Stablean> <Mks> it ruins gameplay if you ask me
11:01:24  <planetmaker> If someone tries to transport goods from a factory I service, I don't provide good service
11:01:43  <planetmaker> And a factory can easily accomodate two players
11:01:52  <V453000> as Mks said
11:01:55  <Stablean> <Mks> you can service it 100% and they can still do it
11:02:08  <planetmaker> If you service it 100% they won't get anything
11:02:18  <Stablean> <Mks> well they will eventually
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11:02:27  <Stablean> <Mks> cause its only with maglev you can transport 100%
11:02:33  <Stablean> <davis> not true
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11:02:43  <Stablean> <davis> seen something being transported 100% on this game already
11:02:46  <planetmaker> the share for p1% and p2% transportation is about p1% for you and p2% for the other
11:02:59  <planetmaker> err... p1*p2 % for the other
11:03:03  <Stablean> <Hirundo> with statues and new engines you can get pretty close to 100%
11:03:14  <planetmaker> I got several times exactly 100%
11:03:27  <Stablean> <Mks> well have you had 100% more then limited time?
11:03:28  <planetmaker> And I did it with rail
11:03:40  <planetmaker> I can keep 90%
11:03:50  <Stablean> <Mks> and in a high production industry
11:03:55  <planetmaker> and... if you're better than the other you don't loose
11:04:03  <planetmaker> so I don't see the problem
11:04:06  <Stablean> <Mks> you still lose some
11:04:09  <planetmaker> no
11:04:12  <Stablean> <Mks> even if your "better"
11:04:22  <planetmaker> you only loose what you don't transport anyway
11:04:33  <planetmaker> Look at the game mechanics how goods are distributed
11:04:43  <planetmaker> if you're better you don't
11:06:01  <V453000> even if it is so, it causes uncomfortable atmosphere
11:06:20  <Stablean> <davis> so do eyehurting blocking atempts :P
11:07:32  <Stablean> <Hirundo> pm: I have an idea: What if we dump eng. supplies at drop points (steel mill), and attach a wagon for them to each train to carry them back
11:08:20  <planetmaker> Hirundo: I think that's not frequent enough.
11:08:28  <planetmaker> trains with vehicle feeders is better
11:08:53  <planetmaker> you need continuous feed of supplies. Not big dumps. And trains may only go every few months
11:09:14  <Stablean> <Hirundo> good point
11:09:34  <Stablean> <Mks> you have a jam hirundo
11:09:48  <Stablean> <Hirundo> where?
11:09:57  <Stablean> <Mks> at !here
11:10:37  <Stablean> <Mks> either make the waiting line longer
11:10:39  <Stablean> <Mks> add plattforms
11:10:41  <Stablean> <Mks> or
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11:10:53  <Stablean> <V453000> hi :)
11:10:53  <Stablean> <Mks> make a overload
11:11:03  <Stablean> <V453000> overflow
11:11:36  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah meant that
11:11:51  <Stablean> <Mks> V is pretty good at building those
11:14:08  <Stablean> <V453000> you shouldnt need that for normal industries and non jamming network :)
11:14:22  <Stablean> <Mks> well he does a transfer
11:14:27  <Stablean> <Mks> so sometimes h needs alot more trains
11:14:35  <Stablean> <Mks> so kinda of need it I guess
11:14:44  <Stablean> <Hirundo> autoreplace improved transportation by 30%, therefore there were too many trains
11:15:03  <Stablean> <V453000> most likely :)
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11:15:23  <Stablean> <Mks> when do we get the 201 km/h train?
11:15:32  <Stablean> <V453000> you have it
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11:15:38  <Stablean> <Mks> ohhh
11:15:41  <Stablean> <Mks> why ain't I using it then
11:15:59  <Stablean> <V453000> dont ask me :)
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11:19:31  <Stablean> <Mks> gah all my bridges are to slow now
11:21:09  <planetmaker> hm...
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11:27:21  <Hirundo> bye
11:27:26  <Stablean> <Mks> bye
11:27:28  <Stablean> <davis> bye
11:30:03  <Stablean> <Mks> phew think I've upgraded all bridges now not sure thought
11:30:09  <Stablean> <Mks> hard to follow my own tracks on this map
11:30:10  <planetmaker> bye Hirundo
11:32:00  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh yeah you don't need the stupid caboose anymore
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11:50:58  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hi
11:51:08  <Stablean> <davis> hey =)
11:51:10  <Stablean> <Mks> hi
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11:51:20  <kuch3n> Hi
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11:53:43  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Nearly everything connected :/
11:53:55  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> there is no car for farm supplies?
11:53:55  <Stablean> <davis> pretty much yeah
11:54:02  <Stablean> <davis> i think there is?
11:54:12  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> i dont see it
11:54:12  <Stablean> <davis> kuch3n , there's still pax to connect
11:54:15  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Pretty much Industrys
11:54:32  <Stablean> <davis> express car
11:54:42  <Stablean> <davis> refittable to farm supplies
11:54:44  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> rod car
11:54:47  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> road
11:54:53  <Stablean> <davis> oh
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11:55:11  <Stablean> <davis> yeah i don't think that vehicle set is first compatible yet
11:55:28  <Stablean> <davis> kuch3n , if you want , you can join my company too , allthough since aou already founded your own haha
11:56:12  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Nope, sorry ; )
11:56:15  <Stablean> <davis> :p
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12:06:20  <Stablean> <Mks> still alot to connect kuch3n
12:06:22  <Stablean> <Mks> tho alot is connected
12:07:16  <V453000> prospect moar? :p
12:07:28  <Stablean> <Mks> I won't connect more now
12:07:41  <Stablean> <Mks> my network is finnished well I'll add more trains if needed
12:07:58  <Stablean> <Mks> everything gets supplies now so
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12:32:40  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> omg ships are so expensive :D
12:33:02  <Stablean> <davis> haha
12:33:31  <Stablean> <kuch3n> I dont get the clue about the Bilevel Passenger Car
12:34:04  <Stablean> <davis> me neither o_O
12:35:01  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> no there
12:35:39  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> thank you
12:36:04  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> no
12:36:13  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i wanted to place my own road on it
12:38:12  <Stablean> <Mks> anyone using ships?
12:38:30  <Stablean> <davis> daydreamer is
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12:38:40  <Stablean> <Henri> hi
12:38:40  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> yes me
12:38:42  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hi
12:38:44  <Stablean> <davis> hi Henri
12:39:07  <Stablean> <Mks> you know that ship won't make any profit :)
12:39:35  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> i using them only for transfer
12:39:45  <Stablean> <Mks> still they are very expensive
12:39:51  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> its a status symbol
12:39:53  <Stablean> <davis> would anyone mind removing a house for me? local authorities hate me
12:40:01  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> heh, i see it now :D
12:40:24  <Stablean> <Mks> put a sign where
12:40:26  <Stablean> <davis> "bomb me"
12:40:40  <Stablean> <davis> thanks :D
12:40:57  <Stablean> <davis> didn't even see that second one haha , thanks again
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12:46:25  <Stablean> <davis> jord1 ,  love your urban rail system at Meningville
12:48:14  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Is Tram better than Buses?
12:48:17  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Are Trams*
12:48:35  <Stablean> <davis> i don't think it makes much of an differences though trams sure do look better
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12:54:56  <Stablean> <greenlion> it'll be non-ending loop of crashes...
12:55:01  <Stablean> <davis> ?
12:55:07  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> or not
12:55:13  <Stablean> <Mks> don't have crossings its bad
12:55:29  <Stablean> <davis> oh yeah it will be
12:55:35  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i dont own the road
12:56:33  <Stablean> <greenlion> ask the owner to build the bridge :)
12:56:42  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> jor?
12:56:55  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> yes?
12:57:14  <Stablean> <davis> mind building a roadbridge !here?
12:57:25  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> could you kindly build a bridge over your tracks at the sign !here so my vehicles will stop being destroyed
12:57:27  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> How to get it fit in that space?
12:57:34  <Stablean> <davis> remove the crossing
12:57:36  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> wait for the buses to move again
12:57:55  <kuch3n> Is it possible to do a signalling trains wont block each other on one signalling block?
12:57:58  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Maybe i fixed it now
12:58:01  <Stablean> <greenlion> Drivebyhobo: reverse them and stop all until resolved
12:58:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Fixed
12:58:20  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> if the cue is gone
13:01:44  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Brown see !here
13:01:59  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> yes?
13:02:13  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Can you seel that part?
13:02:27  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> sel**
13:02:36  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> ?
13:02:45  <Stablean> <davis> sell?
13:02:49  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> at !here you bought a piece of land
13:02:55  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> sell* :P
13:02:58  <Stablean> <davis> ;)
13:07:32  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> LOL
13:07:40  <Stablean> <davis> what
13:07:46  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Bleu's network is strange
13:07:59  <Stablean> <davis> my blue or other blue?
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13:08:11  <Stablean> <davis> that'd be me
13:08:13  <Stablean> <davis> haha
13:08:20  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> looks weird
13:08:28  <Stablean> <davis> yeah , it works tho
13:08:39  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> It isn't used at all
13:08:42  <Stablean> <davis> not yet
13:08:50  <Stablean> <davis> will connect it in a few
13:08:56  <Stablean> <davis> doesn't accept a thing yet
13:10:30  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Damm
13:10:36  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> that stupid road
13:10:50  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> still one part
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13:14:45  <Stablean> <davis> Chimera , would you mind removing the road !here ?
13:15:01  <Stablean> <Chimera #1> sure
13:15:21  <Stablean> <davis> you gotta do that afterall it's your road :P
13:16:19  <Stablean> <davis> going to build some infrastructure here haha
13:16:34  <Stablean> <Chimera #1> well when it's done i'll just let my busses use it :D
13:17:46  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> at !ba dneed a re doing
13:18:08  <Stablean> <Chimera #1> not mine it's yours
13:18:12  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> It's not real highway there
13:18:25  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> he tiles beneath bad
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13:20:12  <Stablean> <Chimera #1> well think i removed all my pieces from there
13:27:04  <Stablean> <davis> A1 = Autobahn1?
13:27:14  <Stablean> <kuch3n> god, no autobahn pls -.-"
13:27:24  <Stablean> <davis> Motorway would make more sense :p
13:27:50  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Germany's Autobahn is the one and only Motorway over the World
13:27:56  <Stablean> <davis> haha
13:28:14  <Stablean> <davis> at least we can go as fast as we want there
13:28:17  <Stablean> <davis> at certain aprts
13:28:19  <Stablean> <davis> parts*
13:28:44  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> well you germans have wierd porn
13:28:48  <Stablean> <davis> lol
13:29:20  <kuch3n> "Massagesalon Elvira"
13:29:33  <kuch3n> watch only subtiled
13:29:49  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i was thinking more along
13:29:51  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo>
13:29:52  <Webster> Title: Zeichentrickparad - max und moritz - XNXX.COM (at
13:29:57  <Stablean> <davis> lol
13:30:03  <Stablean> <davis> porn nerd :I
13:30:10  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> im not
13:30:18  <Stablean> <davis> jk around
13:33:39  <V453000> want a ban?
13:33:47  <Stablean> <davis> haha
13:36:21  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> You may use my tram tracks
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13:37:55  <davis> .
13:38:10  <davis> hm
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13:39:06  <davis> did the server crash?
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13:39:57  <davis> apparantly haha
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13:43:05  <V453000> hmm
13:43:07  <V453000> just some kind of a lag
13:43:10  <V453000> no crash :)
13:43:17  <Stablean> <davis> ah
13:47:26  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> see !here
13:47:32  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> your bus is stopped
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14:19:37  <Ammler> !server_status
14:19:37  <Stablean> Ammler:  16:19pm  up 32 days  4:07,  1 user,  load average: 0.90, 1.10, 1.17
14:19:38  <Stablean> Ammler: Cpu(s): 10.3% us,  1.5% sy,  5.4% ni, 82.6% id,  0.2% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
14:19:38  <Stablean> Ammler: 30249 ottdc     26  10 86308  33m 4360 R   55  1.6 771:43.87 ./stable -c openttd
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14:26:55  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Singals in Tunnels are upcomming?
14:27:08  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Would be nice for my metro
14:27:14  <Stablean> <davis> more or less I suppose
14:27:18  <Stablean> <Chimera> i belive there's a mod that makes tunnels behave like they're all full with signals
14:27:26  <Stablean> <davis> ye
14:27:44  <Stablean> <kuch3n> Can someone help me at Muntway Sawmill?
14:28:01  <Stablean> <Chimera> would make for elegant solutions rather then doubling tunnels and bridges
14:28:07  <Stablean> <davis> whats the problem?
14:28:11  <Stablean> <kuch3n> i got it now :>
14:28:13  <Stablean> <davis> kk
14:29:38  <V453000> would rather make the game more noob friendly :p nothing else would change
14:30:21  <planetmaker> he. The server status is not good ;-)
14:30:22  <Stablean> <Chimera> well makes room for rather elegant design ... then having to triple/quadruple tunnels depending on range
14:30:27  <V453000> !date
14:30:28  <Stablean> V453000: 30 Jun 1997
14:30:31  <greenlion> better will be to have junctions in tunnels :)
14:30:38  <V453000> pm: solved no later than tomorrow :p
14:30:43  <Stablean> <davis> i'd love some 2nd underground layer
14:30:53  <Stablean> <davis> but that's apparantly A LOT of work
14:31:10  <V453000> just play the game as it is and dont invent crap :p
14:31:21  <Stablean> <davis> haha
14:31:27  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> typical freight elitist
14:31:29  <Stablean> <davis> go back to ttd then :D
14:31:41  <greenlion> TT!
14:31:49  <Stablean> <davis> i started with ttd
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14:32:01  <V453000> the difference between openttd and ttd is quite large :P
14:32:11  <Stablean> <davis> indeed it is.
14:32:26  <V453000> but not all changes "to make it easier" are good imo ;)
14:32:40  <V453000> already PBS made people use brain 50% less
14:33:05  <Stablean> <Chimera> I like PBS :D
14:33:18  <V453000> exactly
14:33:25  <Stablean> <davis> yeah i didn't see a train getting loss in ever
14:33:28  <Stablean> <Chimera> and you do need brain to make use of it :D
14:33:34  <kuch3n> I use it only for station entrance
14:33:34  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> i like them also
14:34:03  <V453000> yes sure, you can make a good use of them
14:34:20  <kuch3n> and for bridges
14:34:21  <V453000> but in general, when people used pre-signals, they rather thought about the game more :p
14:34:48  <Stablean> <Chimera> hehe well PBS does make terminus style stations more efficient if used right
14:35:21  <V453000> that isnt true :)
14:35:33  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> that is true
14:36:17  <V453000> if you have a proper terminus, you dont have more than 2 platforms per "X" and the loading time of the trains is long enough so that even pre-signal X i sufficient for 2 platforms
14:36:20  <V453000> therefore, it is the same :)
14:36:21  <Stablean> <Chimera> check !PBS i think it's a nice elegant terminus design :D
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14:38:28  <V453000> !rcon set path_backoff_interval
14:38:28  <Stablean> V453000: Current value for 'path_backoff_interval' is: '1' (min: 1, max: 255)
14:38:30  <V453000> !rcon set path_backoff_interval 10
14:38:33  <V453000> !server_status
14:38:33  <Stablean> V453000:  16:38pm  up 32 days  4:26,  1 user,  load average: 0.83, 1.08, 1.21
14:38:34  <Stablean> V453000: Cpu(s): 10.3% us,  1.5% sy,  5.4% ni, 82.6% id,  0.2% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
14:38:34  <Stablean> V453000: 30249 ottdc     26  10 86308  33m 4360 S   46  1.6 783:00.99 ./stable -c openttd
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14:43:20  <Stablean> <V453000> chimera you must be kidding :)
14:43:31  <Stablean> <davis> ?
14:43:39  <Stablean> <Chimera> why ?
14:43:49  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> with your pbs
14:43:51  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> :D
14:43:53  <Stablean> <V453000> cause that station isnt good really :p
14:44:10  <Stablean> <Chimera> it's simple and elegant .. and without blocked juctions
14:44:22  <Stablean> <V453000> ugh
14:44:38  <Stablean> <V453000> elegant = doesnt work? :p
14:44:41  <Stablean> <Chimera> oky let me put some more trains to it to see how it works :D
14:44:44  <Stablean> <V453000> or ... works badly? :p
14:44:52  <Stablean> <V453000> dude...
14:44:54  <Stablean> <V453000> I know how it works :)
14:45:44  <Stablean> <davis> what station?
14:46:58  <Stablean> <Mks> what station are you talking about?
14:47:06  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> see !pbs
14:47:08  <Stablean> <greenlion> V,  if it'd be made with pre-signals in exactly same layout would it work better?
14:47:21  <Stablean> <davis> aye
14:47:53  <Stablean> <V453000> who was talking about the same layout
14:48:05  <Stablean> <V453000> and btw this isnt a proper terminus by far
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14:48:43  <kuch3n> Why PBS for exit?
14:48:54  <Stablean> <V453000> the main part of terminus (and the one where PBS/pre-signals come into discussion), is !this
14:49:10  <Stablean> <V453000> that "X" needs to be fast enough to let in the trains to make the platforms full
14:49:51  <Stablean> <V453000> if trains load for long enough, braking spaces are built, and trains are fast enough, pre-signals and PBS work the same, pre-signals can be even better due to faster response time
14:50:19  <Stablean> <V453000> kuch3n: that is just a "spammed" PBS, not doing anything ;)
14:50:45  <Stablean> <Chimera> yep
14:51:17  <Stablean> <Mks> whats wrong with !this station?
14:51:55  <Stablean> <greenlion> only problem I can see is CL in it...
14:52:14  <Stablean> <Chimera> noting ....
14:52:18  <Stablean> <Mks> well in the station area is no CL faults
14:52:45  <Stablean> <greenlion> and "this?" sign
14:53:01  <Stablean> <V453000> only minor slow
14:53:18  <Stablean> <V453000> with this slow trains, so short trains being quite far away from the station already
14:54:10  <Stablean> <Mks> what can be improved on it thought?
14:54:14  <Stablean> <Mks> except maybe breaking areas
14:54:46  <Stablean> <V453000> well, this is just a small station
14:55:02  <Stablean> <V453000> make a station that accepts full line throughput :p
14:55:13  <Stablean> <V453000> you will need like 6-8 platforms
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14:56:11  <Stablean> <Mks> well best way to increase then wouldn't it be to make it ro ro?
14:56:36  <Stablean> <Mks> any 6-8 plattforms is not possible in this game due to very low station spread
14:56:55  <Stablean> <V453000> I wasnt talking about this game but in general ;)
14:56:57  <Stablean> <Chimera> well I don't see trains standing in line waiting to be serviced :D so it's ok imo :D
14:57:03  <greenlion> Mks, possible with waypoints :)
14:57:21  <Stablean> <V453000> it is ok but you cant demonstrate if PBS or pre-signals are better in larger scale ;)
14:58:28  <Stablean> <Mks> well a drop you can fix with waypoints yes but not a loading station
14:58:53  <Stablean> <V453000> roro works well
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14:58:55  <Stablean> <V453000> as you said
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15:21:20  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> can you overbridge my rails?
15:21:34  <Stablean> <davis> who?
15:21:40  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hobo
15:21:42  <Stablean> <davis> ah
15:21:56  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> what exactly
15:22:30  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> thank you
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15:27:14  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello all
15:27:40  <V453000> hi
15:27:42  <Stablean> <Chimera> hey
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15:34:39  <Stablean> <davis> getting crowded here
15:34:49  <Stablean> <Vinnie> really :P
15:35:05  <Stablean> <Chimera> it's nice :D
15:35:11  <Stablean> <davis> haha
15:35:21  <Stablean> <Chimera> btw can we have this complex industries in the future as well ? :D
15:35:33  <Stablean> <davis> hm?
15:36:16  <Stablean> <davis> in future games you mean?
15:36:19  <Stablean> <Chimera> yep
15:36:27  <Stablean> <davis> I guess that's up to the admins
15:36:29  <Stablean> <Chimera> i kinda got addicted to it :D
15:36:51  <Stablean> <davis> i didn't realy get to use it so far , when I joined all the industries were kinda connected
15:36:56  <Stablean> <Vinnie> ask V453000 for it
15:36:58  <Stablean> <davis> so I went for pax :P
15:37:13  <V453000> not very often probably
15:37:26  <V453000> at least ... when the next version comes up
15:37:27  <Stablean> <davis> why
15:37:34  <V453000> it is bad to use old versions and the new one sucks :p
15:39:21  <Stablean> <Vinnie> oops yellow
15:41:16  <Stablean> <Mks> why do the new one suck?
15:41:42  <V453000> Mks: test it
15:41:50  <V453000> there are some industries that arent drawn
15:42:01  <V453000> so they look just like "coloured boxes"
15:42:12  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
15:42:14  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
15:42:27  <Stablean> <Mks> but why do they have it like that?
15:42:29  <V453000> but when a proper version comes out, we can have it again :p
15:42:31  <Stablean> <Chimera> meaning it's not actually a new version .. but rather an unfinished vershion
15:42:34  <V453000> Mks: dont ask me
15:44:12  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i will be back in next game when i have some space to build :)
15:44:14  <Stablean> <Vinnie> bye all
15:44:20  <Stablean> <davis> bye =)
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15:52:33  <Stablean> <Chimera> lol damn you were fast :D
15:52:53  <Stablean> <davis> ?
15:53:19  <Stablean> <Chimera> daydreamer :D... i just prospected for those wells :P
15:53:30  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> sry :D
15:53:38  <Stablean> <davis> haha
15:54:52  <Stablean> <davis> my network is awfully crippled , but I love building unorganised , and it works so I guess it's okay :D
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15:55:52  <Stablean> <davis> :D
15:55:55  <Stablean> <davis> 15 companies haha
15:56:11  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> it wont last long with his track recoard
15:56:25  <Stablean> <davis> hm?
15:56:52  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> hes started like 3 companies in this game and they all died  in the most gruesome way imaginable
15:57:05  <Stablean> <davis> how's that even possible
15:57:08  <Stablean> <davis> landscaping is expensive , just btw
15:57:19  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> he bought 12 airplanes
15:57:23  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> you do the math
15:57:23  <Stablean> <davis> :D
15:57:35  <V453000> :D
16:00:31  <Stablean> <Mks> is max production in FIRS 1080 in a primary industry?
16:01:29  <greenlion> Mks: about 1300 was for my wells
16:01:39  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh
16:01:56  <greenlion> and doesn't want to grow more :(
16:03:58  <Stablean> <davis> pasta
16:04:00  <Stablean> <davis> :D
16:04:14  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> :p
16:04:26  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> You have spaghettie tracks
16:04:43  <Stablean> <davis> yepyep
16:05:03  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Why didn't you make a main line with side lines?
16:05:24  <Stablean> <davis> cause i didn't feel like planning
16:05:37  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> I didn't plan either
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16:05:52  <Stablean> <davis> you did start somewhat earlier though
16:05:58  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> But when i make new line i just connect them to the old
16:06:02  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> :P
16:06:14  <Stablean> <davis> I do too haha , but I don't do mainlines / sidelines
16:06:17  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> A bit chaotic between thos towns
16:06:39  <Stablean> <davis> actually yeah , i might go the way around them
16:06:51  <Stablean> <Mks> davis how do you acually intend to go anywhere with those lines?
16:06:58  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Highway, metro tracks, trains of different persons, roads etc.
16:07:07  <Stablean> <davis> to mars :P
16:07:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> All in that tight space
16:07:43  <Stablean> <Mks> space certainly is an issue at parts of the map
16:07:57  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Just build undergroud :P
16:08:07  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> See my metro lines
16:08:23  <Stablean> <davis> requires lots of landscaping which according to the rules is not too welcome.
16:08:34  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> most where running above groend first
16:09:04  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Bad that the station spread didn't allow me to build a big passenger terminal
16:09:21  <V453000> what is the reason to make city train networks underground? :D
16:09:22  <Stablean> <davis> yeah station size is realy small on this game
16:09:49  <V453000> make multiple smaller terminals :p
16:09:52  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> The reason is tha tyou don't have to destroy buildings to create a fast city transport system
16:10:01  <V453000> he
16:10:02  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> I did
16:10:24  <V453000> but when you do it too much underground, you have not enough capacity of rails and you cant transport all the pax from the extra buildings anyway ;)
16:10:36  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> it looks cool
16:10:56  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Yeah i like to create nice trcks not those hughe unreal things
16:11:11  <V453000> game = unreal btw :p
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16:11:16  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> i know
16:11:47  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> what other alternative is there
16:11:51  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> simutrans?
16:11:56  <V453000> ?
16:12:02  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> ?
16:12:09  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> ?
16:12:14  <Stablean> <davis> :)
16:12:16  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> the only other big transport game out there is simutrans right?
16:12:24  <V453000> no idea
16:12:28  <V453000> why
16:12:32  <Stablean> <davis> there are a bunch , but most of them get boring rather quick
16:12:34  <V453000> openttd is imo supposed to be mad :p not realistic
16:12:42  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> you cna make hughe infrastructure in simscity
16:13:00  <Stablean> <Mks> we need larger map like 8kx8k :)
16:13:12  <Stablean> <davis> those would be nice to play with 15+ players
16:13:30  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah only problem is they would lag
16:13:31  <Stablean> <Mks> alot
16:13:34  <Stablean> <davis> ye
16:13:41  <V453000> and you would get lost in it
16:13:44  <V453000> alot
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16:13:57  <V453000> 512*1024 is the last reasonable size imo
16:13:59  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Lees companies more players in one company?
16:14:01  <Stablean> <Mks> well you could allow like 30-40 companies on such a map
16:14:04  <V453000> although 512x512 is enough
16:14:12  <Stablean> <davis> yeah I actually like playing in one companie with like 2-3 others
16:14:31  <V453000> davis: find a mate then :p I believe on this server are several available :)
16:14:42  <Stablean> <davis> haha
16:14:45  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Undersea tunnel would be good
16:14:58  <V453000> another shitty idea :P
16:15:01  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah that would be a nice future
16:15:07  <Stablean> <Mks> no its a realistic idea
16:15:09  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Can you create a nice netherland
16:15:15  <Stablean> <davis> haha isn't there already a patch doing that?
16:15:27  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> realy?
16:15:29  <Stablean> <davis> I believe i've seen something like that on the forums
16:15:45  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> i wanna have in openttd copy & paste function :P
16:15:48  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> WOW some one is using horses still
16:16:06  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Horsse onver the highway :(
16:16:08  <Stablean> <Mks> mm auto complete track would be nice
16:16:18  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> like in rct3 :D
16:16:20  <davis>
16:16:24  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Can't you think of a route your self?
16:16:29  <V453000> you could let the computer play on its own already :p
16:16:42  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Davis ottd doesn't have a copy paste
16:16:52  <Stablean> <davis> irc does .
16:16:52  <Stablean> <Mks> well I can ofc but like set a CL and it builds according to that nearest way
16:16:58  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> some version have it
16:17:02  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> versions
16:17:05  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> and i am to lazy to do unhandy things for the link
16:17:07  <V453000> there is a patch for it :p
16:17:25  <davis> it's actually the excact thing you suggested :D
16:17:25  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> the patch doesnt for in multiplayer
16:17:29  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> work
16:17:44  <V453000> it does
16:17:52  <V453000> it is a client patch afaik
16:17:56  <Stablean> <Mks> they should make the game so it doesn't lag even on large maps with lots of vehicles
16:18:06  <Stablean> <davis> THEY SHOULD MAKE IT 3D TOO
16:18:09  <Stablean> <davis> omgomg -_-'
16:18:10  <V453000> Mks: like with no pathfinder? :p
16:18:16  <V453000> 4D!
16:18:17  <Stablean> <Mks> like 2kx2k and 8000 vehicles and no lag
16:18:25  <Stablean> <Mks> well
16:18:26  <greenlion> how about 5D?
16:18:31  <Stablean> <Mks> is it always server lag?
16:18:33  <Stablean> <Mks> or is it client side lag?
16:18:39  <Stablean> <davis> both
16:18:49  <Stablean> <Mks> I mean wouldn't just getting a super computer as server work then?
16:19:14  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Maybe combine the Super Computer and SErver to SUPER SERVER
16:19:24  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> is expensive :p
16:20:52  <Stablean> <Mks> but I mean this game is from lik 1995?
16:21:01  <Stablean> <Mks> shoudln't be any problem on new computers
16:21:05  <Stablean> <davis> openttd is from 2010
16:21:16  <Stablean> <Mks> no its not really
16:21:20  <Stablean> <Mks> only latest version
16:21:26  <Stablean> <Chimera> well i kinda have problems when I zoom out max :D
16:21:32  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Original ttd is from 1995 or even before?
16:21:42  <Stablean> <davis> somewhat around that time ye
16:21:46  <greenlion> Mks, no it is not. do you remember how "well" PF was working in TTD? :)
16:22:07  <Stablean> <davis> rain 125 is lost
16:22:09  <Stablean> <Mks> no can't say I do
16:22:21  <Stablean> <Mks> been a long time since I played the original
16:22:26  <Stablean> <davis> train even
16:22:44  <Stablean> <Mks> you mean the orignal PF suck?
16:23:00  <Stablean> <davis> ohyes it does
16:23:00  <V453000> well quite a difference from YAPF :P
16:23:09  <greenlion> Mks, now there is all advanced kinds of signals and PFs and all other things and it all eats CPU time...
16:23:40  <Stablean> <Mks> well you can't play with the orginal PF anymore
16:23:52  <Stablean> <Mks> but NPF is that alot worse then YAPF?
16:24:42  <Stablean> <davis> play a round of ttd and you'll see
16:25:32  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Ps. invisible trees and buildings will remove some lagg
16:25:35  <V453000> (I doubt you will finish the round :P)
16:25:46  <Stablean> <davis> haha
16:26:01  <Stablean> <davis> there was this one scenario on ttd I used to love
16:26:05  <Stablean> <davis> Megarail?
16:26:07  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> i dont have any lags with trees and building
16:26:09  <Stablean> <Mks> well point to point should work quite well
16:26:11  <Stablean> <davis> i think it was named like that
16:26:31  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Daydreame rin the busy city only
16:26:37  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> north of the map
16:29:53  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> lol 1/5 of all inhabitants of this map live in one city
16:30:03  <Stablean> <davis> :D
16:30:17  <Stablean> <davis> 1/10 in another one
16:30:23  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> G2g
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16:30:27  <Stablean> <davis> laters
16:32:01  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh there is a patch for maps of a size of 1048576
16:32:12  <Stablean> <Mks> this like never find your own tracks even
16:32:29  <Stablean> <davis> well you can always click one of your trains
16:32:35  <Stablean> <davis> and use the "eye" button to find it
16:34:10  <Stablean> <Mks> well true
16:34:16  <Stablean> <Mks> but what if you only built tracks
16:34:18  <Stablean> <Mks> no trains :P
16:34:27  <Stablean> <davis> you shouldn't zoom out that far then
16:34:29  <Stablean> <davis> or use the map
16:34:37  <Stablean> <davis> or place your HQ near the tracks
16:34:50  <Stablean> <Mks> ofc you can find it but will be a big a map
16:34:55  <Stablean> <davis> true
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16:35:58  <Stablean> <davis> hey kate
16:36:33  <Stablean> <Kate> hey
16:37:27  <Stablean> <davis> hows opensfx coming along btw , music wise?
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17:21:05  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> look at my beautiful avatar, that is me :D
17:28:48  <Stablean> <davis> yay
17:28:56  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> nice
17:29:06  <Stablean> <davis> yeah gonna sacrafice all of them
17:29:08  <Stablean> <davis> haha
17:29:17  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> lool
17:30:56  <Stablean> <davis> for some reason they all ignored presignals and therefore blocked
17:31:04  <Stablean> <davis> or well jammed
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17:36:24  <Stablean> <Chimera> thnx jor for taking care of my buses
17:36:28  <Stablean> <Chimera> :D
17:36:35  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> :p
17:36:59  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> WAs just building highways to connect citty's
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17:55:49  <Stablean> <davis> eww ugly maglevs
17:56:57  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> ew metro stations in the middle of nowhere
17:57:02  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Where?
17:57:15  <Stablean> <davis> maglevs are just ugly :P
17:57:16  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> sutton i think
17:57:34  <Stablean> <davis> haha well city is going to grow there =)
17:57:41  <Stablean> <davis> maglevs arn't going to get any prettier
17:58:15  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> in the middle of suttonw is a useless tunnel opening
17:58:53  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Suttowen metro is strange
17:58:55  <Stablean> <davis> it's 2 tunnels if you'd look closely
17:59:26  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> It is a web with a kind of amrs at the end the statiosn
17:59:52  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> I rather use metro line from A via B,C,D... To E
17:59:58  <Stablean> <davis> shrugs
18:01:26  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i dont see how the layout makes no sense from a commuters view
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18:03:39  <Stablean> <davis> Brents company is still alive btw
18:04:26  <Stablean> <davis> is there any kind of night and day mod for ottd?
18:04:32  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> no
18:04:42  <Stablean> <davis> it's a shame
18:04:48  <Stablean> <davis> cities would look good at night :D
18:05:02  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> id rather have 32bpp
18:05:10  <Stablean> <davis> haha
18:05:14  <Stablean> <davis> extra zoom level?
18:05:29  <V453000> !date
18:05:30  <Stablean> V453000:  1 Nov 2011
18:05:30  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> no keep the extra zoom just the 32bpp
18:05:46  <V453000> lmao day and night :D
18:05:55  <V453000> would be like flickering black? :D
18:05:59  <Stablean> <davis> haha I seen a mockup on the forums a few years back
18:06:03  <Stablean> <davis> and it looked pretty damn good
18:06:29  <Stablean> <davis> but yeah , that would only work with some different time settings
18:06:47  <greenlion> should be like in polar areas - half year night, half year day :)
18:07:04  <Stablean> <Chimera> we'll just imagine that this thing is taking place at some temperate north pole :D
18:07:06  <Stablean> <davis> haha well like every 5 minutes or every 10 minutes would be reasonable
18:07:16  <Stablean> <Chimera> 6 months of day and 6 months of night :D
18:16:12  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hoho check missing
18:16:22  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> hobo
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18:34:19  <Stablean> <davis> keep terraforming low
18:34:19  <Stablean> <davis> lol.
18:34:53  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> its not like covering the world in tracks isnt terraforming
18:35:23  <Stablean> <davis> quit making up excuses for filling up a whole lake
18:35:51  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> This game could work with half the tracks i think
18:36:16  <Stablean> <Mks> well probarbly even less if it was 1 company
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18:36:51  <Stablean> <davis> oh well , ignore the rules.
18:37:32  <V453000> whats going on?
18:37:50  <Stablean> <davis> massive land raising on water
18:37:56  <Stablean> <davis> shrugs.
18:38:02  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> thats not what it is
18:38:10  <Stablean> <davis> that's excactly what it is
18:38:18  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> i didnt raise land
18:38:32  <Stablean> <davis> so the water turned into land by magic?
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18:39:11  <Stablean> <V453000> wher?
18:39:15  <Stablean> <davis> Cardstone
18:39:27  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :)
18:39:50  <Stablean> <davis> whatever is nessecery to build massive 4 tracks maglev lines :s
18:40:03  <Stablean> <V453000> so what :)
18:40:21  <Stablean> <V453000> its fine
18:40:27  <Stablean> <davis> I probably missunderstood the definition of keeping terraforming low
18:40:41  <Stablean> <V453000> well this is reasonable
18:40:50  <Stablean> <V453000> and it doesnt really break the map for others
18:41:02  <Stablean> <V453000> but when you delete mountains it looks ugly
18:41:16  <Stablean> <V453000> and there is no reason for it
18:41:22  <Stablean> <davis> how does it look ugly if you delete mountains , but doesn't look ugly if you fill up lakes?
18:41:24  <Stablean> <V453000> this is quite fine I think
18:41:35  <Stablean> <V453000> can you recognize that the lake was larger before?
18:41:38  <Stablean> <V453000> almost not
18:41:45  <Stablean> <davis> :s
18:42:08  <Stablean> <V453000> with rough settings we use it is quite hard to make a half of a mountain look natural, when it is missing
18:42:57  <Stablean> <davis> I guess i'm used to "slim to none" terraforming.
18:43:05  <Stablean> <V453000> sure, why not :)
18:43:13  <Stablean> <V453000> always better
18:43:23  <Stablean> <V453000> but doing it the "stealthy  way" doesnt hurt either :p
18:43:32  <Stablean> <davis> hurts me :P
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18:44:04  <Stablean> <V453000> then just note the result not the process :)
18:44:12  <Stablean> <davis> supposedly.
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18:46:43  <Stablean> <Mks> well I think V mean like when you cut a path throught a mountain
18:46:49  <Stablean> <Mks> thats quite ugly
18:47:08  <Stablean> <davis> yeah I just like to keep the terrain untouched as far as it's possible
18:47:23  <Stablean> <Mks> the locos this game is really weak thought
18:47:44  <V453000> Mks: dont even think about it :)
18:47:52  <Stablean> <Mks> about what? :)
18:48:29  <V453000> tfing in order to keep trains going on flat :p
18:48:34  <greenlion> inflation is turned off here, btw?
18:48:41  <Stablean> <Mks> this map isn't that hilly thought so not really that big problem
18:49:05  <Stablean> <Mks> well if we used original acceleration flat is kinda of a must
18:49:10  <V453000> inflation is tarded
18:49:32  <V453000> original acceleration isnt an option for reasonable play :p
18:49:34  <greenlion> V453000, why? :)
18:49:52  <V453000> you dont know anything with it
18:50:12  <V453000> it can be nice to compare like profit in 1920, and in 2020
18:50:16  <V453000> with inflation you cant
18:50:18  <V453000> etc
18:50:26  <V453000> also I think it is a bit broken
18:50:36  <V453000> like ... trains make less profit, but they cost more
18:50:43  <V453000> but that isnt sure :)
18:51:06  <Stablean> <Mks> I've noticed with inflation its almost impossible to start late in a game
18:51:14  <Stablean> <Mks> cause 1 train cost about all your loan
18:51:31  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> well hopefully you can get a donation
18:51:32  <greenlion> V453000, you can, you just need to make correction on inflation :)
18:51:51  <V453000> still
18:51:54  <V453000> no reason why to have inflation
18:52:06  <greenlion> growing TF cost? :)
18:52:14  <V453000> when incomes grow too?
18:52:17  <V453000> pointless
18:52:31  <greenlion> hmm...
18:52:43  <V453000> I think inflation is nothing but for prople who are shitting their pants by seeing large cash numbers
18:52:52  <V453000> besides, it works weirdly :)
18:53:04  <Stablean> <Mks> can I wish for a game?
18:53:08  <V453000> ?
18:53:36  <V453000> what do you wish?
18:53:45  <Stablean> <Mks> well a mm 500x1000 game with LOTS of water
18:53:53  <Stablean> <Mks> and some island
18:54:03  <Stablean> <Mks> like one game we hade some time ago but even more water
18:54:06  <V453000> you shall have it
18:54:16  <greenlion> and enable ships then :)
18:54:16  <Stablean> <Mks> also with even higher TF cost then that game
18:54:22  <V453000> ok
18:54:36  <V453000> greenlion: if allow, then allow the same way they are here now
18:54:44  <Stablean> <Mks> or mm can you set water TF diffrent from land TF or are they linked?
18:54:52  <V453000> they are separate
18:55:02  <Stablean> <Mks> so we can have insane water tf
18:55:09  <V453000> quite
18:55:13  <Stablean> <Mks> and similar land to here
18:55:17  <Stablean> <Mks> need to be that
18:55:22  <V453000> yes, or cheaper land
18:55:32  <V453000> any
18:55:37  <Stablean> <davis> i'd love some arctic game again
18:55:41  <Stablean> <davis> with nars
18:56:04  <V453000> forget about nars for some time ;)
18:56:04  <Stablean> <davis> and well all the american grf's
18:56:04  <Stablean> <davis> haha aw.
18:56:04  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah land can be same or a little pricier then here but water so islands stay should be like 100x what it is here
18:56:09  <V453000> north american roads and cities arent on bananas
18:56:23  <Stablean> <davis> you sure?
18:56:27  <V453000> yes
18:56:37  <greenlion> Mks, with bigger water TF it would be impossible to build bridges not on non-straight land...
18:56:49  <Stablean> <davis> nars is on bananas
18:56:54  <Stablean> <davis> v1 at least
18:56:57  <V453000> davis: yes nars is played now
18:57:02  <V453000> but not roads and cities
18:57:06  <Stablean> <davis> ah.
18:57:09  <V453000> (which are also American newgrfs)
18:57:25  <planetmaker> davis: complain to their authors and / or bug them
18:57:32  <planetmaker> But I fear they care **** about OpenTTD
18:57:37  <V453000> :)
18:57:43  <Stablean> <davis> ttdpatch fanatics?
18:57:46  <planetmaker> ^^^
18:57:51  <V453000> hehe bingo
18:57:55  <Stablean> <Mks> well island game needs insane water TF
18:58:22  <Stablean> <davis> indeed
18:59:24  <Stablean> <davis> this game going to run till 2050?
18:59:27  <V453000> right, I will prepare something fancy :p
18:59:35  <V453000> ukrs?
18:59:39  <Stablean> <davis> or dbset
18:59:46  <V453000> dbset isnt on bananas
18:59:51  <Stablean> <davis> dammit
18:59:53  <V453000> super ttdpatch fanatic author :p
19:00:13  <Stablean> <davis> ukrs it is then
19:00:33  <V453000> ukrs is the best train set imo :) by its versatility
19:00:55  <Stablean> <davis> it's nice , I just don't like the fact that the passenger steam engines do use company colors
19:01:11  <Stablean> <davis> haha
19:01:16  <V453000> ? :D just recolour them
19:01:22  <planetmaker> yeah... good sets on bananas are only Japanese, 2cc, NARS, NARS2, UKRS. Anything I miss?
19:01:52  <V453000> you said 2cc wrongly :P
19:01:53  <planetmaker> well. 'only' ;-)
19:01:57  <V453000> I think you dont miss anything
19:02:02  <V453000> oh
19:02:05  <Stablean> <davis> japanese train set isn't all bad either
19:02:06  <V453000> Tropic Refurbishment :p
19:02:11  <planetmaker> right. true
19:02:34  <V453000> japanese is good but you have to be either in mood for a pax game
19:02:50  <V453000> or I add tropic refurbishment to it to fill the hole and add nice freight trains
19:02:51  <Stablean> <davis> haha yeah true
19:03:07  <V453000> cause tropic refurbishment has sucky pax, they fit nicely together
19:03:40  <Stablean> <davis> didn't play a tropic game in ever
19:03:49  <V453000> not tropic
19:03:55  <V453000> but tropic refurbishment set :p
19:03:58  <V453000> it is usable in any climate
19:04:06  <Stablean> <davis> ah i see.
19:04:54  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh is there anyway to disable long bridges
19:04:58  <Stablean> <Mks> so ppl stay on the islands
19:05:14  <Stablean> <davis> you can modify bridge costs I suppose
19:05:19  <V453000> making insane water TF costs and making diagonal edges of islands
19:05:30  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
19:05:33  <Stablean> <Mks> well true
19:05:44  <Stablean> <Mks> there is a newgrf tho that limits the lenght of bridges?
19:05:51  <V453000> I think so
19:06:07  <V453000> but I think it fucks up bridges overall
19:06:10  <V453000> not just lenght
19:06:29  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh well making diagonal land things doesn't really matter
19:06:34  <greenlion> just make bridge higher to overcome this :)
19:06:39  <Stablean> <Mks> then you just make the bridge from flat land to flat land
19:06:44  <V453000> true
19:06:50  <V453000> meh :)
19:07:09  <Stablean> <Mks> well set mm orginal or ukrs or tropic I guess
19:07:11  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Another highway finishe
19:07:15  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> finished*
19:07:25  <V453000> original was in .. last game?
19:07:29  <V453000> or the game before
19:07:31  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah
19:07:35  <Stablean> <Mks> last game I think
19:07:38  <Stablean> <Mks> so guess ukrs then
19:07:59  <Stablean> <davis> firs yes/no?
19:08:03  <V453000> no :)
19:08:07  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> yes
19:08:11  <Stablean> <davis> admin said no :p
19:08:12  <greenlion> ukrs wasn't in previous game?
19:08:16  <Stablean> <davis> please allow  bigger station tho
19:08:20  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> but i said yes
19:08:39  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh expensive short and slow bridges newgrf is on bananas
19:09:15  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> But bridges are not always slow, in rela ther are a lot of fast bridges
19:09:21  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> real*
19:12:21  <Stablean> <Mks> well that newgrf isn't that bad has some issues
19:12:25  <Stablean> <Mks> no long bridges
19:12:33  <Stablean> <Mks> fastest bridge is 241 km/h
19:13:14  <Stablean> <Mks> biggest problem is if you make a bridge 4 tiles max speed is 160km/h
19:13:30  <V453000> then make 5 tiles :p
19:14:34  <Stablean> <Mks> so if the game has no maglev it should work
19:15:01  <Stablean> <davis> no maglev = awesome
19:15:13  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> no maglev :)
19:15:15  <Stablean> <Mks> and have to use standard bridges ofc can't use the total bridge renewal set
19:15:25  <Stablean> <Mks> I tried but mm they don't work togeather
19:15:27  <Stablean> <davis> i like renewal tho :I
19:16:41  <Stablean> <Mks> yeah its quite nice
19:17:52  <V453000> hmm
19:17:59  <V453000> water tile costs 30M :)
19:18:10  <Stablean> <jor[D]1> Mening ville has a lack of building space :p
19:18:12  <Stablean> <davis> sounds reasonable
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19:29:05  <Stablean> <Mks> that should be enough expensive I guess :)
19:29:29  <Stablean> <davis> I could afford almost 3 tiles water tfing now :D
19:30:59  <Stablean> <Mks> lol
19:31:09  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> wtf?
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19:31:19  <Stablean> <davis> if one tile is going to cost 30 million
19:31:29  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> ah :D
19:31:31  <Stablean> <Mks> I could afford 30
19:31:52  <V453000> sounds good then :D
19:31:54  <Stablean> <davis> to my defense , i didn't aim for max profit this game
19:31:55  <Stablean> <davis> :P
19:31:59  <V453000> btw
19:32:15  <V453000> oh nvm
19:32:15  <V453000> :)
19:32:23  <Stablean> <davis> haha what?
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19:33:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> why is that?
19:33:43  <Stablean> <DayDreamer> for your poor company
19:34:01  <Stablean> <davis> hahaha
19:34:37  <Stablean> <Mks> what?
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19:47:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> first need to smoothen things out
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19:51:05  <V453000> hmm I think I will make it watery and separate-ish, but not totally separate ;) that is not very practical
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19:55:19  <planetmaker> yes?
19:55:31  <Stablean> <Chimera> is it fair to block someone's tracks
19:55:41  <Stablean> <Chimera> at !help
19:55:45  <Stablean> <Chimera> he removed them now
19:55:49  <Stablean> <davis> no blocking
19:56:04  <planetmaker> no blocking
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19:56:38  <Stablean> <Chimera> problem was solved
19:56:41  <Stablean> <V453000> im here and with me comes the law :p
19:56:50  <Stablean> <Chimera> player blocking removed them when I asked for an admin
19:57:02  <Stablean> <V453000> well at least it worked :p
19:57:05  <davis>
19:57:11  <davis> m72 law
19:57:27  <V453000> that isnt train davis
19:57:41  <davis> it sure looks like a train to me!
19:58:06  <V453000> hmm
19:58:14  <V453000> and then tell me that people playing openttd are sane :p
19:58:22  <Stablean> <davis> hahaha
19:58:24  <Stablean> <davis> false.
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20:04:34  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> something is very broken
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20:12:14  <V453000> !server_status
20:12:14  <Stablean> V453000:  22:12pm  up 32 days 10:00,  2 users,  load average: 0.84, 1.25, 1.36
20:12:14  <Stablean> V453000: Cpu(s): 10.3% us,  1.5% sy,  5.4% ni, 82.5% id,  0.2% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
20:12:15  <Stablean> V453000: 30249 ottdc     26  10 86308  35m 4360 R   53  1.7 959:44.02 ./stable -c openttd
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20:33:43  <Stablean> <V453000> ooh I only now noticed that we have 2 people cooping here :) lovly
20:34:14  <Stablean> <davis> didn't notice that either
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20:35:23  <V453000> gnight people
20:35:29  <Stablean> <Chimera> nn
20:35:35  <Stablean> <davis> gnight
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20:36:31  <SmatZ> night V453000
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20:37:09  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> on the south maglev
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20:44:23  <Stablean> <davis> does anyone know where I get the original ttd music , I believe I lost my cd and my current music file seems to be corrupt :P
20:45:37  <V453000> buy another one :p
20:46:23  <greenlion> or google "download ttd" :)
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20:47:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> added another feeder to cardstone bay heights
20:48:25  <Stablean> <Drivebyhobo> not sure where to send the sarnford line
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20:51:44  <davis> here we go , beautiful ttd music haha
20:52:58  <V453000> hehe, still the nostalgy :)
20:53:16  <davis> yeah i feel like freaking 11 again haha
20:53:27  <Stablean> <Mks> I have the original dos version off ttd deluxe
20:53:34  <Stablean> <Mks> well if I knew where is was
20:53:45  <Stablean> <davis> yeah I got the original win version somewhere
20:53:47  <Stablean> <davis> with Megarail
20:53:51  <Stablean> <davis> and the demos
20:53:53  <Stablean> <davis> etc etc
20:54:15  <Stablean> <Mks> I liked the scenarios tobad there is none like that really know
20:54:22  <Stablean> <Mks> I know you can download some but they aren't the same
20:54:43  <V453000> true
20:54:48  <V453000> the new ones suck donkey asses
20:54:54  <Stablean> <Mks> hehe
20:55:00  <Stablean> <davis> I can only remember Megarail tbh
20:55:16  <Stablean> <Mks> so island map won't be all island but connected by land?
20:55:22  <V453000> a little
20:55:25  <V453000> I will see
20:55:34  <Stablean> <Mks> ahh
20:55:40  <Stablean> <davis> anyone wants to teamup for the next game? haha
20:55:40  <V453000> I will finish it tomorrow :p I will probably add some dozer-ing from myself :p
20:55:46  <Hirundo> planetmaker: how is our company doing?
20:56:05  <Stablean> <Chimera> i want :D
20:56:06  <V453000> hirundo: it is fucked :P
20:56:13  <Stablean> <davis> hahaha
20:56:14  <Hirundo> in what sense?
20:56:19  <Stablean> <davis> 15 million a year Hirundo
20:56:53  <Hirundo> That seems about fine :)
20:56:57  <Stablean> <davis> your company did just hit 1 billion  €
20:57:03  <Stablean> <davis> in Bank Balance
20:57:05  <Stablean> <davis> and value
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21:02:56  <Hirundo> date?
21:03:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 30-8-2023
21:03:10  <Stablean> <davis> 1 sep 2023
21:03:12  <Stablean> <davis> haha
21:03:40  <V453000> Hirundo: !date works too :p
21:03:41  <V453000> !date
21:03:41  <Stablean> V453000: 16 Sep 2023
21:04:02  <Stablean> <davis> time to start a new game :D
21:04:47  <V453000> tomorrow
21:04:55  <Stablean> <davis> what time? ~
21:05:05  <V453000> 27:00 CET
21:05:11  <Stablean> <davis> 27 :D
21:05:15  <V453000> :P
21:05:27  <Stablean> <davis> i take that as 3 in the morning , your call!
21:05:30  <Ammler> donation?
21:05:33  <Stablean> <davis> you got 4 more hours
21:05:41  <V453000> hehe
21:05:52  <Stablean> <davis> hey Ammler =)
21:05:57  <V453000> most likely sometime in the afternoon .. expect like 14:00 CET
21:06:08  <Stablean> <davis> yeah that's about the time I get up
21:06:10  <Stablean> <davis> sounds good
21:06:18  <V453000> (that is the latest time since I have to leave house then) :)
21:06:29  <V453000> but I dont wake much earlier so thats fine :P
21:06:30  <Stablean> <davis> haha work?
21:06:35  <V453000> no, girl
21:06:42  <Stablean> <davis> just as bad
21:06:44  <Stablean> <davis> but more fun.
21:06:52  <V453000> :D
21:08:02  <Stablean> <Mks> you wake up at like 13 CET and mm go to bed now?
21:08:12  <Stablean> <Mks> do you sleep 14 hours a night?
21:08:22  <Stablean> <davis> I can sleep up to 18 hours
21:08:28  <Stablean> <davis> which is totaly amazing imho
21:08:30  <V453000> :D
21:08:42  <V453000> if I sleep more than like 10 hours then I am sleepy the whole next 2 days
21:08:45  <Stablean> <Mks> well most I've ever sleept is like 36 hours
21:08:55  <Stablean> <Mks> but thats not normal
21:08:55  <V453000> thirty fucking six? D:
21:08:57  <Stablean> <davis> that one time I was like , it's not even bright outside yet i'll go back to sleep
21:09:07  <Stablean> <Mks> well I didn't sleep for 48 hours before
21:09:09  <Stablean> <davis> it was dark outside again since it was like 23 :D
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21:12:44  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I have to search a lot before finding a train on that RRLL maglev
21:13:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, 4 tracks was a lot
21:13:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> overcapacity
21:13:45  <V453000> never underestimate the ultimate POWER of the idiotic trains! Able to flood every line ._.
21:14:23  <V453000> true that my 32-lined main line wasnt filled at all back then :D
21:14:38  <Stablean> <davis> :D
21:15:09  <V453000> was just too large :) I got bored way sooner before any trains were out :)
21:15:29  <V453000> I rather like to start with L_R, and end with ... well .. as high as I can =D
21:18:20  <Stablean> <Hirundo> ouch
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21:30:46  <Stablean> <Mks> well starting with LL RR can be ok if you plan to build a main line
21:31:35  <V453000> well anything is ok
21:31:51  <V453000> but the point is, starting with L_R means you have fun all the time :)
21:32:00  <V453000> as in, trains run still :p
21:32:07  <V453000> it takes some time to build up LL_RR
21:33:05  <V453000> for example like this:
21:33:05  <V453000>
21:33:17  <V453000>
21:33:26  <V453000> 1927 and 2080 :p
21:33:37  <davis> 2nd one looks quite ugly haha
21:33:53  <V453000> duh :)
21:34:17  <V453000> one of the games I enjoyed the most
21:34:38  <Stablean> <davis> haha i don't like HUGE networks
21:34:40  <Stablean> <davis> shrugs
21:34:48  <V453000> meeeh :D
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21:50:30  <Mks> is that PS game?
21:50:42  <V453000> no
21:50:43  <V453000> my SP
21:51:05  <Mks> ohh
21:51:06  <V453000> available here
21:51:09  <Mks> more tracks then land :P
21:51:19  <V453000> note that it is very old btw :p
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22:05:01  <Stablean> <Mks> ohh crocodile loco
22:07:09  <V453000> bad accel iirc
22:08:24  <Mks> funny name
22:08:33  <Mks> mm whats good about the norwegian set?
22:08:36  <Mks> never used that one
22:08:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Is there a Dutch train set?
22:09:01  <Stablean> <Hirundo> yes
22:09:03  <davis> I think there is one , not sure whether it's finished tho
22:09:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> k
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22:15:27  <V453000> Mks: norwegian train set is a very nice one if you want to start using newgrfs
22:15:51  <V453000> it replaces only engines, there arent that many, they are good, nice :)
22:16:08  <V453000> dutch train set is shit afaik
22:16:12  <V453000> maybe not finished but shit :)
22:16:20  <Stablean> <davis> honestly i don't think you need some new grf beginners set
22:16:28  <Stablean> <davis> i jumped in the cold water with UKRS and got along just fine
22:16:35  <Stablean> <Hirundo> <- although dutch, I have never played with it
22:16:47  <Stablean> <CameronW.> :O
22:16:49  <Stablean> <davis> knokken
22:16:54  <V453000> hirundo: I played with czech set ONCE ... that was the last time :)
22:17:14  <V453000> davis: I dont say necessary or inroduction only :) it is still nice
22:17:20  <Stablean> <davis> the czech railset was nice
22:17:25  <V453000> no it isnt
22:17:30  <Stablean> <davis> but not compatible with crossings or bridges
22:17:30  <V453000> oh rails
22:17:32  <Stablean> <davis> haha
22:17:32  <Stablean> <CameronW.> i normally don't play with nars...or anything else for that matter.
22:17:33  <V453000> yes these are :)
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22:27:41  <Mks> ohh can't find norwegian on bananas
22:29:52  <V453000> it isnt there
22:31:21  <Mks> aww why not?
22:32:26  <V453000> again, ask author not me
22:32:35  <V453000> :)
22:34:04  <Mks> stupid authors :P
22:34:19  <Mks> everything should be on bananas
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22:49:13  <Stablean> <davis> I wanted to crash those.
22:49:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, would say that too
22:49:48  <Stablean> <davis> I pressed ignore signal :P
22:57:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hirundo? were you inviting people to joinyou  next game?
22:57:45  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I have not been inviting anyone, though I am always open for bribery :)
22:58:03  <Stablean> <davis> haha
22:58:12  <Stablean> <davis> i sure would like to team up
22:59:31  <Stablean> <Hirundo> I doubt that I'll actually play much, if any, in the coming week
22:59:53  <Stablean> <davis> :/
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23:10:00  <Stablean> <Hirundo> anyone from Brent 9000 around?
23:13:47  <Stablean> <davis> don't think so
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23:30:17  <Hirundo> goodnight
23:30:32  <davis> night
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