Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 30th June 2011:
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00:00:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> too flat :P
00:00:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh, compared to this one
00:00:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes :P
00:00:12  <Stablean> <Sylf> you liked the last game?
00:00:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm
00:00:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> hilly and somewhat watery
00:00:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no UKRS2 and UKRS2+
00:00:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> were some problems with it
00:00:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> what's the prob?
00:00:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> actually, just with UKRS2+
00:00:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> doubling engines didnt double power
00:00:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> D:
00:00:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I localised the problem to UKRS2+
00:01:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> that sucks
00:01:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> I wonder it's been reported
00:01:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> UKRS(2) and 2cc?
00:01:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I've reported it on the TTforums
00:01:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> k
00:01:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> Maybe FIRS 2cc
00:01:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no weight multiplier
00:01:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> FIRS+2cc
00:01:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only 2cc?
00:01:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> I wonder 2cc 1.0 supports the latest FIRS?
00:01:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still cant carry alcohol by train?
00:02:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you werent able to load the latest FIRS, you know :P
00:02:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at least the nml beta :)
00:02:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah, we'll use the non-beta
00:02:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> k
00:02:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> japanese style landshap
00:02:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> japanese cities are denser right?
00:03:21  <Stablean> <Sylf> is it?
00:03:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and errmm... Latvian town names?
00:03:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> never seen that :D
00:03:40  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
00:03:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I dont know, you can load japanese cities too :P
00:03:42  <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators
00:03:42  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
00:03:54  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has paused the server.
00:04:03  <Stablean> <Player> So hai.
00:04:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
00:04:07  <Stablean> <Player> hmmm
00:04:15  <Stablean> <Player> Where do i change my name?
00:04:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there's a new map in the making, so starting a company is useless
00:04:23  <Stablean> <Sylf> type !name
00:04:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> try !name <newname>
00:04:30  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to Chralex
00:04:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> btw, we'll be resetting this game again soon
00:04:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> so don't bother start building yet
00:04:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> got my requests, Sylf?
00:04:48  <Stablean> <Chralex> I make a little bussniess meanwhile until we reset.
00:04:58  <Stablean> <Chralex> or what
00:05:04  <Stablean> <Chralex> Paused D:
00:05:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure, but it's useless
00:05:18  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has enabled autopause mode.
00:05:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> what was the request?
00:05:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> all the newgrfs
00:05:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
00:05:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> What I have so far is 2cc, FIRS, Japanese Building
00:05:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> jap, 2cc, FIRS,
00:05:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm
00:05:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok, got it
00:05:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> and eGRVTS
00:05:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Latvian town names
00:06:00  <Stablean> <Sylf> South African Names :p
00:06:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or anything out of the ordinary :P
00:06:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seen that already
00:06:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> fine
00:06:19  <Stablean> <Chralex> damn
00:06:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> hrm
00:06:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just start a company Chralex
00:06:32  <Stablean> *** Chralex has started a new company (#2)
00:06:34  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
00:06:39  <Stablean> <Chralex> oh.
00:06:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ow, just one trainset?
00:06:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> Esperanto?
00:07:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or TRS?
00:07:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hehe, nice
00:07:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure, Esperanto
00:07:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh, Chralex
00:07:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you need to read the !rules
00:08:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok, got the map ready
00:08:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
00:08:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> uploading....
00:09:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you need to download some files too, Chralex :P
00:09:03  <Stablean> <Chralex> So it's over soon.
00:09:11  <Sylf> !rcon ls
00:09:12  <Stablean> Sylf: 0) .. (Parent directory)
00:09:12  <Stablean> Sylf: 1) archive/ (Directory)
00:09:12  <Stablean> Sylf: 2) StableTempS02a.sav
00:09:12  <Stablean> Sylf: 3) StableTempS02.sav
00:09:12  <Stablean> Sylf: 4) StableTempS01.sav
00:09:13  <Stablean> Sylf: you have 22 more messages
00:09:19  <Sylf> !rcon load 2
00:09:21  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
00:09:26  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game
00:09:30  <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game
00:09:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> BAH
00:09:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm
00:09:37  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#1)
00:09:37  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
00:09:52  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has paused the server.
00:09:54  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
00:10:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> I didn't remove BATS
00:10:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> gotta recreate the map again
00:10:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you know no newgrf isloaded?
00:10:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Chralex?
00:10:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you need some new files too
00:10:51  <Stablean> <Player> Okay.
00:10:57  <Stablean> <Player> Shit old name
00:11:03  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to chralex
00:11:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> most can be downloaded automatically, but some need to be downloaded manually
00:11:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I think
00:11:10  <Stablean> <chralex> Where?
00:11:16  <Stablean> <chralex> Do i need to rejoin?=
00:11:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Sylf, some help please
00:11:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> should be a link on the openttdcoop web page
00:11:51  <Stablean> <chralex> Could you link it here?
00:11:55  <Stablean> <chralex> or wait
00:11:58  <Stablean> <chralex> I can't press links
00:12:00  <Stablean> <chralex> here
00:12:06  <Sylf> !rcon ls
00:12:06  <Stablean> Sylf: 0) .. (Parent directory)
00:12:06  <Stablean> Sylf: 1) archive/ (Directory)
00:12:06  <Stablean> Sylf: 2) StableTempS02b.sav
00:12:06  <Stablean> Sylf: 3) StableTempS02a.sav
00:12:06  <Stablean> Sylf: 4) StableTempS02.sav
00:12:07  <Stablean> Sylf: you have 23 more messages
00:12:08  <Sylf> !rcon load 2
00:12:10  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
00:12:16  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game
00:12:17  <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game
00:12:28  <Stablean> <Player> I'll go download the files
00:12:37  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to Chralex
00:12:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> DAMN
00:12:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Sylf, Newgrf?
00:12:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ;)
00:12:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll wait ;)
00:12:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> the server doesn't have Esperanto town name grf
00:12:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> probably
00:13:00  <Stablean> *** Chralex has left the game (leaving)
00:15:02  <Sylf> th attempt...
00:15:07  <Sylf> 4th
00:15:30  <Sylf> !rcon ls
00:15:30  <Stablean> Sylf: 0) .. (Parent directory)
00:15:30  <Stablean> Sylf: 1) archive/ (Directory)
00:15:30  <Stablean> Sylf: 2) StableTempS02c.sav
00:15:30  <Stablean> Sylf: 3) StableTempS02b.sav
00:15:30  <Stablean> Sylf: 4) StableTempS02a.sav
00:15:31  <Stablean> Sylf: you have 24 more messages
00:15:35  <Sylf> !rcon load 2
00:15:37  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
00:15:42  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game
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00:15:46  <Sylf> !auto
00:15:46  <Stablean> *** Sylf has enabled autopause mode.
00:15:47  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players)
00:15:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> French?
00:15:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> Catalan
00:16:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, okay
00:16:14  <Stablean> <Sylf> No habla catalunia, but who cares :D
00:16:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do oil wells die?
00:16:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> nope
00:16:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> not in FIRS
00:17:46  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has started a new company (#2)
00:17:46  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
00:19:43  <Sylf> !rcon reset_company 1
00:19:43  <Stablean> Sylf: CmdWantEnginePreview     Troy McClure  date:1920-02-24  tile:00000000  p1:000001AF p2:00000000 text: price:0
00:19:43  <Stablean> Sylf: CmdWantEnginePreview     Troy McClure  date:1920-02-24  tile:00000000  p1:0000019D p2:00000000 text: price:0
00:19:43  <Stablean> Sylf: Company deleted.
00:20:40  <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving)
00:55:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> err, Sylf?
00:56:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Sylf, if you read this:
00:57:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> pbs signals are very slow to respond;
00:57:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> trains almost have to stop before it, before it even works
00:58:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> @@(clcalc rail 1)
00:58:25  <Webster> Stablean: A rail Curve Length of 1 (1 half tiles) gives a speed of 88km/h or 55mph
01:01:42  <Stablean> *** Anson joined the game
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01:23:58  <Stablean> *** Anson has started a new company (#1)
01:28:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Anson, I advise you to use as less PBS signals as possible
01:29:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> err
01:29:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> your steel mil ljust died
01:29:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :S
01:30:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Anson?
01:31:18  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ?
01:31:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> your steelmill died
01:31:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> aka: your line is useless now :S
01:31:56  <Stablean> <Anson> thanks for info
01:32:02  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate that on firs ...
01:32:08  <Stablean> <Anson> you need to study the map a bit
01:32:22  <Stablean> <Anson> and in half a year, 3 of 4 steel mills are gone :-(
01:32:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and nog get unlucky the industry dies on you :P
01:32:55  <Stablean> <Anson> on the last map, i connected an iron ore mine
01:33:05  <Stablean> <Anson> when the first train was loaded at 90%, it died
01:33:33  <Stablean> <Anson> then i wanted to connect a power plant at the same station as drop ... guess what ?
01:33:52  <Stablean> <Anson> when i had reversed everything from pickup to drop, the power plant died too
01:34:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, only  one steelmill left
01:34:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> according to my information, Power Plants never die
01:34:28  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... 3 of 4 died while i was building
01:35:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> enough to start over again
01:35:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
01:35:21  <Stablean> <Anson> thanks
01:47:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're very slow, Anson, you know that?
01:52:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Im keeping it alive for now ;)
01:53:12  <Stablean> <Anson> but there is another problem now ... you were the first to serve that indistry
01:53:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> np
01:53:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I allow it
01:53:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> btw, hate to see you without any industries at all
01:53:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just because you have bad luck with having potentially 2 steel mills die
01:54:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> btw, why are you so slow?
01:55:14  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't want to simply pull a straight line uphill and downhill, long distance, and then get money, but having the first price in the ugly track laying contest :-)
01:55:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no competition here :P
01:55:39  <Stablean> <Anson> from solo games, i am used to building while paused
01:55:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're not having a lag right now or something?
01:56:17  <Stablean> <Anson> you mean computer being laggy, or connection ? ... no, perfect
01:56:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> k
01:56:47  <Stablean> <Anson> sometimes, i even think that network games run more smothly than local games :-)
01:56:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> could be
01:57:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> depends on what you're doing with local games
01:57:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lots of traffic, big cities and lots of planes/ships take up a lot of CPU
01:58:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hehe :P
01:59:00  <Stablean> <Anson> lol ... i don't think trains will like that track :-)
01:59:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bye
02:00:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im off :P
02:00:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> good luck crawling your trains to their destination
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02:10:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see it?
02:11:40  <Stablean> <Mazur> Waiting for a train to come there.
02:11:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> did you do anything?
02:11:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seem to be a lot faster now
02:11:58  <Stablean> <Mazur> No.
02:12:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> #2
02:12:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> check the only !here left
02:13:14  <Stablean> <Mazur> Hm, yes, that IS odd, that the train gets stopped for a clear stretch.
02:13:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
02:13:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I put "show reserved tracks" on
02:13:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but nothing suspicious
02:13:52  <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game
02:13:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you want, you can join my company to check around
02:13:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, Sylf
02:14:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> don't ask me
02:14:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> I don't have a fix for it either
02:14:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but can you at leas acknowledge it's existence
02:14:29  <Stablean> <Mazur> I've no idea what anyone changed to cause this.
02:14:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just say you see it too?
02:14:53  <Stablean> <Anson> sorry, what are you talking about ?
02:14:55  <Stablean> <Mazur> And no idea where to look to solve it, expecially not at this time of day.
02:15:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> slow pbs, anson
02:15:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> np Mazur
02:15:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thanks for checking anyway
02:15:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> @Sylf, try looking !here
02:15:26  <Stablean> <Mazur> Trains getting stopped by every PBS, even when all tracks are clear.
02:15:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm not seeing it clearly yet
02:15:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> try when #2 exits
02:15:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, wait
02:16:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that wont give a problem
02:16:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> when 11 enters
02:16:09  <Stablean> <Anson> when the train just left, it took a second until "reserved path" was shown, and another second until the train started moving
02:16:17  <Stablean> <Mazur> They actuallt act like regular signals at that: staying red even when a path is clear.
02:16:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
02:16:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> very erratic
02:16:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sometimes very slow, sometimes quite fast
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02:16:54  <Stablean> <Anson> PBS always stays red ... that is normal ... they only switch to green for a moment when they reserve a path
02:17:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not the problem Anson
02:17:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> they stay red even IF there is a clear path
02:17:35  <Stablean> <Mazur> No, they look red, but they are "Orange".
02:17:37  <Stablean> <Anson> there is one parameter for those signals, whether trains shall stop at them and then continue when a path can be found
02:17:47  <Stablean> <Anson> in the last game, that had to be enabled afterwards
02:18:02  <TroyMcClure>
02:18:14  <TroyMcClure> dont know if it's up to date
02:18:21  <TroyMcClure> but it has several detailed options
02:18:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> what the
02:18:23  <Mazur> It;s not.
02:18:26  <Stablean> <Anson> how do i see parameters with console commands and how can i change them ?
02:18:36  <TroyMcClure> only thing I could find on it ;S
02:18:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> Only 2 refineries >_<
02:19:02  <Stablean> <Sylf> what parameters?
02:19:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> you can usually use set command
02:19:37  <Stablean> <Anson> there are KLOTS of parameters for pathfinder etc ... one of them determines whether trains shall stop at every PBS before driving on
02:19:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ya sure, Mazur, it looks like it's in 1.1.0
02:19:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> you can see most params using "set"
02:19:42  <Mazur> If you;re an admin, with multiuser games.
02:19:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ?
02:20:04  <Mazur> That was to Andom.
02:20:07  <Mazur> Ansom.
02:20:18  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe intended to simulate real life, when the train driver has to stop first, ask for permission to use a specific path, and then may enter the block
02:20:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> Do you have the param name?
02:20:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> pf.path_backoff_interval
02:20:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> think that one
02:21:00  <TroyMcClure> pf.path_backoff_interval
02:21:10  <TroyMcClure> Ticks between checks for a free path. Increase if you have a slow computer. Set to 255 to disable path look-ahead if you don't want to use advanced signals.
02:21:11  <Stablean> <Anson> not exactly ... but something like ... or something
02:21:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> but that one doesn't force a stop at PBS
02:21:47  <TroyMcClure> otherwise this one:
02:21:48  <TroyMcClure> pf.wait_for_pbs_path
02:21:54  <TroyMcClure> How long to wait for a path reservation (in days). Set this value to 255 if you don't want trains to ever turn around at a path signal on their own.
02:21:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> wait_for_pbs_path
02:21:57  <Stablean> <Anson> i know for sure that there is such a parameter since in last game, trains stopped at every PBS and then someone changed it
02:22:08  <TroyMcClure> the other ones are all penalties
02:22:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
02:22:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> there's no such setting
02:22:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> trains never stop at EVERY PBS
02:22:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> They will stop if a given train can't secure a free path
02:23:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll try one on a free lane
02:23:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's why it's called PATH based signal, as opposed to block signals
02:23:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> like !this
02:23:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> what the...
02:23:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hate to say it, but they seem to stop always
02:24:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> would pm know?
02:24:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> dunno
02:24:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you have no idea?
02:25:05  <Stablean> <Sylf> post a save game of this on tt-forums and ask
02:25:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
02:25:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cant be bothered with doing all that
02:25:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> game still functions with it
02:25:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wait for tomorrow
02:25:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> see if anyone else might know
02:26:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> CB, V or something
02:26:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Anson, any idea who changed it?
02:27:03  <Mazur> I can see the bug being noticed the 26th, in the log.  But not who fixed it or how.
02:27:24  <Mazur> It's supposed to have been reported, but no such report on flyspray.
02:27:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> my log doesn't go that far back
02:27:41  <Stablean> <Anson> wasn't it some admin, and sylf noted "ok, I'll have to remember to run !default" on a new game" ... or something similar
02:28:09  <Sylf> !default
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02:29:12  <Sylf> brb
02:29:19  <Sylf> gonna do some experimnts offline
02:29:28  <TroyMcClure> good luck
02:29:30  <TroyMcClure> im off too
02:29:56  <TroyMcClure> A message is left at the welcome board
02:29:57  <TroyMcClure> c
02:30:09  <TroyMcClure> remove it if you fixed it, otherwise keep it
02:30:12  <TroyMcClure> bb
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02:31:52  <Mazur> @default
02:31:52  <Webster> Mazur: (default <name>) -- Returns the default value of the configuration variable <name>.
02:32:05  * Mazur is off.
02:32:08  <Mazur> BYe.
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02:33:03  <Stablean> <Anson> @default yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:35:03  <Mazur> That's a different thing, it forces trains to avoid tracks where the first signal is red.
02:42:25  <Stablean> <Anson> in the last game, that parameter was set incorrectly too ... then some admin changed all pbs and similar parameters by calling some script or whatever
02:42:43  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe, similar has to be done on this new game too
02:43:17  <Stablean> <Anson> since you had typed @default, i wanted to try and look at that parameter ... but it seems to not work
02:43:33  <Stablean> <Anson> @@default yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:43:33  <Webster> Stablean: (default <name>) -- Returns the default value of the configuration variable <name>.
02:44:11  <Sylf> @default yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:44:36  <Sylf> I think you have to use parenthesis
02:44:46  <Sylf> like @@default (yapf...
02:44:46  <Webster> Sylf: (default <name>) -- Returns the default value of the configuration variable <name>.
02:45:01  <Sylf> like @@default (yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol)
02:45:01  <Webster> Sylf: (default <name>) -- Returns the default value of the configuration variable <name>.
02:45:14  <Sylf> hrm
02:45:21  <Sylf> oh well
02:45:32  <Mazur> @default pf.yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:45:36  <TroyMcClure> @default yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:45:43  <Mazur> @default yapf.rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:45:51  <Sylf> drop yapf?
02:45:56  <TroyMcClure> when in game, you need to use 2@
02:46:09  <Mazur> But I'm not in game.
02:46:10  <Sylf> @default rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:46:19  <Mazur> @default rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:46:20  <Sylf> dunno
02:46:23  <TroyMcClure> perhaps that's why it doesnt work :P
02:46:23  <Sylf> anyway
02:46:40  <Sylf> @@default rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:46:46  <Sylf> :p @@default rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:46:46  <Webster> Sylf: (default <name>) -- Returns the default value of the configuration variable <name>.
02:47:05  <Sylf> I forgot how to use it... anyway.
02:47:16  <Mazur> @@default rail_firstred_twoway_eol
02:47:20  <TroyMcClure> can't you summon an index of (a number of) configuration variables
02:47:36  <Mazur> Not that I know of.
02:47:44  <TroyMcClure> like @index config
02:48:00  <Sylf> dump all variables?
02:48:11  <TroyMcClure> it's worth a try :P
02:51:40  <Mazur> !setdef
02:51:40  <Stablean> *** Mazur has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
02:51:59  <Mazur> You're welcome.
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02:52:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's it?
02:52:35  <Stablean> <Anson> trains pass through the PBS without waiting now ... as far as i can see
02:52:36  <Mazur> I suppsoe so.
02:52:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, need to remember that
02:53:17  <Mazur> <exclam>setdef
02:53:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can anyone do that, or just admin?
02:53:21  <Mazur> Admin
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02:53:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, i;ll keep a notice :P
02:53:51  <Mazur> Did someone leave a message on the message board?
02:53:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah
02:53:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i'll remove it
02:54:03  <Mazur> My point.
02:54:07  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, just what i wrote above ... that Syld said on the last game "have to remember to run defaults :-)
02:54:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hehe:P
02:54:27  <Mazur> <exclam>setdef
02:54:44  <Mazur> Not "defaults"
02:54:48  <Mazur> Stop confusing us.
02:54:52  <Mazur> ;-)
02:55:00  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, ir whatever ... i don't remember that as long as i am not admin :-)
02:55:05  <Sylf> the setting in question must be wait for pbs path
02:55:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but <exclam>setdef alone will do the trick?
02:55:42  <Mazur> Yes.
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02:56:00  <Sylf> hrm, maybe not...
02:56:01  <Mazur> I agree, Sylf.
02:56:18  <Sylf> it was 255 to start with, and it still is
02:56:27  <Mazur> wait_for_pbs_path
02:56:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seems to be function just fine now
02:56:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that setting determines if and when trains turn around at a signal if they cant find  a free path
02:57:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 255 is fine
02:57:14  <Sylf> I want to find what the setting that I still don't have
02:57:34  <Sylf> I know I will forget setdef again
02:57:35  <Mazur> path+backoff_interval?
02:57:54  <Mazur> I will, too, Sylf, but it;s in my IRC logs.
02:58:01  <Sylf> yeah, it was 255, now it's 1
02:58:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I;ll remember you next time, Sylf
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02:58:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> untill that time
02:58:43  <Sylf> !rcon set path_backoff_interval 255
02:58:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's on the message board :D
02:58:58  <Sylf> is it broken now?
02:59:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope
02:59:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seems to be working excellent so far
02:59:34  <Sylf> nope, it's broken
02:59:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope
02:59:38  <Sylf> !rcon set path_backoff_interval 1
02:59:46  <Sylf> should be fixed again
02:59:53  <Mazur> Have fnu, I'm a goner.
02:59:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you changed it just ago?
02:59:57  <Sylf> so the culprit is path_backoff_interval
03:00:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it works now
03:00:15  <Mazur> He did.
03:00:19  <Mazur> twice.
03:00:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> k
03:00:22  <Sylf> I changed that in the local config file too
03:00:34  <Sylf> This shouldn't be a prob in the future
03:01:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> and I forgot to reset the weight multiplier :p
03:02:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I guess 2 will do
03:02:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dont know the settings for each trainset
03:02:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I thougth NARS was 4,6 and/or 8
03:02:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> UKRS was 1
03:02:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but 2cc i dont know
03:03:08  <Stablean> <Sylf> good weight multiplier for each trainset?
03:03:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes,
03:03:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> I change those on a whim
03:03:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V uses 6 or 8 on NARS often
03:03:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
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03:03:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and on a previous game he said: what x2, UKRS has difficulty enough as it is :P
03:03:52  <Stablean> <Sylf> the thing with 2cc is that they have really big wagons
03:04:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 2 seems to be fine for the moment
03:04:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it slows down a bit, but not too much
03:04:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> the "long" type wagons have something like 50tonnes capacity?  or bigger?
03:04:56  <Stablean> <Sylf> so it'll take extra oomph to accelerate
03:04:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only short available
03:05:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah, short wagons only for a few decades to come
03:05:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> longer a heavier, but you dont need to pull as much
03:05:57  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate the weights :-( ... at the start of a game when you have no money to terraform and need to go up and down, double engines would be needed but are costly .. and when you have money to pay for double engines, you simply can change the landscape, build tunnels and bridges, whatever :-) :-(
03:06:15  <Stablean> <Anson> but without weights and associated problems, it would be boring :-)
03:06:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, you could go for the royal hudson now
03:06:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> in the beginning, just pick the most powerful engines, not the fastest
03:06:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but they are expensive
03:06:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to buy and to run :P
03:06:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> nor the cheapest
03:06:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 222,656 to buy, 18,450 to run
03:07:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still doubting between the SNCF 140C and NS Class 6300
03:07:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> anyway... I'm off again
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03:07:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> + 110 hp, +4,800 running costs
03:08:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no hurry, so I'll check back later
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03:09:40  <Stablean> <Anson> the yellow trainsslow down from 80 to 20 uphill ...
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03:39:33  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ah this kind I like :P
03:44:19  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ouches
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06:27:44  <Stablean> <doonz> hello
06:27:50  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
06:27:56  <Stablean> <doonz> hihi :D
06:28:10  <Stablean> <doonz> wow the grfs are strange
06:28:17  <Stablean> <Anson> V told me how to improve my hidden depot construction ... did you see it ?
06:28:23  <Stablean> <doonz> no :(
06:28:31  <Stablean> <doonz> what did you change?
06:28:38  <Stablean> <Anson> just have a look at my stations ... i use it now
06:29:16  <Stablean> <Anson> it is a little easier than the old one, and even improves it by eliminating one rare case when trains start to queue until the next platforms is free again
06:29:46  <Stablean> <doonz> i see
06:29:52  <Stablean> <doonz> why dont you have an exit sign here
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06:30:04  <Stablean> <Anson> removing the entry signal (replaced by a normal signal) and removed the combo completely (thus avoiding the mentioned problem and making the path one tile shorter)
06:30:06  <Stablean> <doonz> at !here
06:30:51  <Stablean> <Anson> that is the improvement ... the combo was removed there
06:30:57  <Stablean> <doonz> o ic
06:31:05  <Stablean> <doonz> so the other ones should be normal signals?
06:31:09  <Stablean> <Anson> and the next signal next to the !here sign is a normal signal, no entry
06:31:39  <Stablean> <Anson> the depot has an invisible signal which adjusts to the signals around it
06:32:05  <Stablean> <Anson> i thought that a combo or other signal would be needed to make the invisible signal an entry signal
06:32:20  <Stablean> <doonz> so the entry signal isnt required?
06:32:42  <Stablean> <Anson> but it is good enough to have the platforms' exit signals, and the depot will have an entry signal
06:33:17  <Stablean> <Anson> and when that combo is not needed, also the entry signal at the entry track is not needed
06:33:24  <Stablean> <doonz> so @ !here, should this be a normal signal?
06:34:47  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, it may be a normal signal, but an exit is just as good ... it would only matter when there are other signals in front of it
06:36:14  <Stablean> <doonz> hmm these industries are strange :p
06:37:34  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... the pribciple of FIRS is that production is increased when there are monthly supplies, and to get them, you need other industries, etc
06:37:45  <Stablean> <Anson> without them, only ome basic rate is available
06:37:47  <Stablean> <doonz> oh ic
06:38:17  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the yellow company
06:38:33  <Stablean> <Anson> it shuffles around all types of cargo between the stations,
06:39:27  <Stablean> <doonz> where do you take coal?
06:39:47  <Stablean> <Anson> since there are so many different industries, it is difficult to handle them all, but yellow seems to have found a good location fast where they are all available and can be used to improve each other
06:40:15  <Stablean> <Anson> do you know the "display chain" button ? :-)
06:40:25  <Stablean> <doonz> OH
06:40:28  <Stablean> <doonz> i didnt think of that
06:40:30  <Stablean> <doonz> lol
06:40:30  <Stablean> <doonz> :p
06:40:32  <Stablean> <doonz> im so noob
06:40:54  <Stablean> <Anson> with the normal industries, you know what needs what (mostly)
06:41:12  <Stablean> <doonz> steel mills accept coal? hm. haha
06:42:02  <Stablean> <Anson> with that button, and also
06:42:21  <Stablean> <Anson> with the "show in minimap", you can learn a bit
06:42:40  <Stablean> <Anson> but mostly, look at the other stations to see tricks how to deliver the supplies in time
06:43:12  <Stablean> <Anson> about steel mills : you make steel from iron ore ... but how do you heat it ? with coal ! :-)
06:43:38  <Stablean> <doonz> wow
06:43:46  <Stablean> <doonz> there arent that many industries atm that accept coal!
06:43:50  <Stablean> <Anson> that's also why production increases if both arrive in the same month :-)
06:44:00  <Stablean> <doonz> :D
06:44:08  <Stablean> <Anson> when i started, there were four steel mills
06:45:02  <Stablean> <doonz> looks like i wont be delivering coal :p
06:45:04  <Stablean> <Anson> when i had planned everything, 2 of them were gone ... and when i had built the first coal and iron pickups, the third was gone and i had to start over at the only steel mill which is left now
06:45:11  <Stablean> <doonz> ouch
06:45:17  <Stablean> <doonz> that happened to you last game aswell :p
06:45:33  <Stablean> <Anson> this type of game requires people working together if you want to get everything
06:47:06  <Stablean> <Anson> quite often, someone can transport coal or something else, but needs metal ... thus he offers to supply a steel mill with additional resources and gets permission to take some steel
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06:49:36  <Stablean> <doonz> ]hmm lol
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08:55:40  <V453000> !date
08:55:40  <Stablean> V453000: 18 Jan 1958
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08:57:12  <Stablean> <V453000> hello
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09:30:59  <Stablean> <Player> help
09:31:17  <Stablean> <Player> how get to console
09:32:39  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
09:32:53  <Stablean> <Player> hi
09:33:04  <Stablean> <Anson> the key left of the "1" ... for me it is ^ ... twice
09:33:22  <Stablean> <Anson> changing name with "!name xxx"
09:33:41  <Stablean> <Anson> or set it in the main screen of openTTD
09:35:18  <Stablean> <Player> hmm, hard to work out
09:35:38  <Stablean> <Anson> what is hard ?
09:35:59  <Stablean> <Anson> change name by typing "!name xxx"
09:35:59  <Stablean> <Player> trying to change name lol
09:36:19  <Stablean> <Player> "!name Peter"
09:36:29  <Stablean> <Anson> without the "
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09:36:49  <Stablean> <Peter> ahh
09:36:52  <Stablean> <Anson> easy :-)
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09:55:18  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hi
09:55:42  <Stablean> <Peter> hi
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10:12:22  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hey doonz
10:12:25  <Stablean> <doonz> hey mate
10:12:43  <Stablean> <doonz> :)
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10:29:08  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> AFK
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11:16:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> lol
11:16:26  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hey CB
11:16:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi
11:16:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> someone forgot to change YAPF again
11:17:02  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or use !setdef
11:17:02  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> ?
11:17:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> check the message board
11:18:59  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oh
11:19:09  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Saw that, no idea what it means...
11:19:12  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh
11:19:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> mean that things like overflows or 2 way signals will not work as expected
11:19:44  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> YAPF is on for trains and RV's though?
11:19:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> since the openttd.cfg is wrong
11:20:00  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> :/
11:20:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its just the name of the path finder
11:20:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but you can set priortiys / penalties of signals or crossings
11:20:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and stations
11:20:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so that you get coop style networks
11:20:36  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oh, yeah i remember V talking about that
11:20:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> without it you can't make overflows
11:20:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> trains will wait at a red 2 way
11:21:14  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and reverse PBS is as much good as a poke in the eye with a shitty stick
11:21:21  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> :P
11:21:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so that is why we have !setdef
11:21:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so I guess this is another sylf map
11:22:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hmpf
11:22:07  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Well it doesnt look V-made...
11:22:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh well
11:23:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I will not be playing this until !setdef is used in IRC be an admin to fix the signals
11:23:55  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Call an admin? :P
11:24:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> can't
11:24:21  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Why not..?
11:24:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am prity sure that planetmaker set ignor on my !admin calls
11:24:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so no one gets them
11:24:52  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> LOL because of the ban?
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11:25:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no because of what was said befor the ban
11:25:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> anyway its lunch times
11:25:27  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> toodles
11:25:29  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> BB
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11:35:07  <Ammler> Sylf: no idea if you know in the meantime, you do update bananas with !content
11:35:09  <Ammler> !content
11:35:10  <Stablean> Ammler: Connection established
11:35:14  <Stablean> Ammler: Expect timeout triggered!
11:35:14  <Stablean> Ammler: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:35:18  <Ammler> !content
11:35:20  <Stablean> Ammler: Expect timeout triggered!
11:35:22  <Stablean> Ammler: Downloading 7 file(s) (1258692 bytes)
11:35:22  <Stablean> Ammler: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:35:27  <Ammler> it is buggy
11:35:37  <Ammler> you need to execute it twice
11:35:47  <Ammler> after that
11:35:49  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Ammler, can you do that !setdef thing that CB was talkng about please?
11:35:55  <Ammler> !rcon rescan_newgrf
11:35:56  <Stablean> Ammler: CmdRemoveSingleRail           MrD2DG  date:1969-10-24  tile:0003A6E2  p1:00000001 p2:00000004 text: price:-53
11:35:56  <Stablean> Ammler: dbg: [misc] The file 'content_download/data/AveiMils_PIGM-0.3.tar' isn't a valid tar-file
11:35:56  <Stablean> Ammler: dbg: [misc] The file 'content_download/data/AveiMils_PIGM-0.3.tar' isn't a valid tar-file
11:36:10  <Ammler> !setdef
11:36:10  <Stablean> *** Ammler has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
11:39:24  <Ammler> !rcon rescan_newgrf
11:39:25  <Stablean> Ammler: CmdBuildSingleSignal           MrD2DG  date:1970-01-25  tile:0003A2E1  p1:00005000 p2:00000000 text: price:48
11:39:25  <Stablean> Ammler: CmdBuildSingleSignal           MrD2DG  date:1970-01-26  tile:0003A2E1  p1:00005000 p2:00000000 text: price:0
11:39:41  <Ammler> !content
11:39:42  <Stablean> Ammler: Connection established
11:39:44  <Stablean> Ammler: Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
11:39:44  <Stablean> Ammler: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
11:39:47  <Ammler> !content
11:39:49  <Stablean> Ammler: Expect timeout triggered!
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11:39:51  <Stablean> Ammler: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
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12:26:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Anson?
12:26:34  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, just returned
12:26:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
12:26:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> could you delete !this bridge for a moment?
12:26:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the two actually
12:27:33  <Stablean> <Anson> too bad that i am often called away and need to go AFK fast, and sometimes can't come back as planned (or simply fall asleep after some chores) :-(
12:27:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, you're here now
12:27:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> will take 10 secs tops
12:29:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that was it
12:29:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but increasing length of bridge is not a luxure
12:30:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thanks
12:31:07  <Stablean> <Anson> did you see my small transports with carriages ?
12:31:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope
12:31:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> should be fine
12:31:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hehe
12:32:11  <Stablean> <Anson> i thought to make it at least a bit optically nice, when using this trick (which many people use on firs), but 0 hp is just too weak and takes 150+ days for a trip, not something between 20-30 as intended
12:32:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you also need farm supplies tho
12:32:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, tried that first too
12:32:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
12:32:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
12:33:13  <Stablean> <Anson> in another game, i did it with a horse carriage, and it worked, but that might have been a different car set or whatever
12:33:32  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe shorter distance too, not 3 tiles :-)
12:34:47  <Stablean> <Anson> but as it is now : what is the use of 1-4 horse carriages with ZERO hp ? ... they can't even accelerate beyons 1 kph when empty
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12:35:56  <Stablean> <Anson> one of them reached top speed 11 kph once : downhill ... to be slowed to 1 kph again when on flat land
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13:17:42  <planetmaker> I'm pretty sure I did not set any ignore on anyones admin calls. It's simply I'm not around Chris Booth
13:17:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> CB long gone
13:18:09  <planetmaker> well, tell him :-P
13:18:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what did he say about it?
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13:33:13  <Stablean> <V453000> elo
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13:33:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
13:33:31  <Stablean> <V453000> what is with setdef
13:33:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> last night, we had some trouble with pbs settings
13:33:52  <Stablean> <V453000> slow pbs?
13:33:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> took them way too long to figure out a path
13:33:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
13:34:06  <Stablean> <V453000> hehe, dont use PBS in the first place noobs
13:34:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Anson recalled the same problem a game ago
13:34:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and someone changed it according to him
13:34:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so I called Mazur and Sylf later
13:34:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that seamed to be the command that worked
13:35:00  <Stablean> <V453000> yes, it sets the backoff interval to 1
13:35:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
13:35:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Sylf changed the local config (?) file too, so this wouldnt occur in the next game
13:35:59  <Stablean> <V453000> hm :)
13:36:09  <Stablean> <V453000> it would not hurt to penalize PBS though
13:36:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
13:36:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I thought about it that you might have done this on purpose
13:36:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> too screw people using pbs :P
13:37:02  <Stablean> <V453000> no, i just agreed with it so I did not "fix" it by your desires
13:37:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> he :P
13:39:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so you didnt actually do it on purpose?
13:39:27  <Stablean> <V453000> I had no influence on it, it is not my map
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13:39:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, but the local config file
13:39:49  <V453000> local config of the one who created the map
13:39:53  <V453000> which is ... Sylf I suppose :)
13:39:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, okay
13:39:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, it was Sylf
13:40:56  <V453000> not interested in PS?
13:41:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, not since you thought i was no good
13:41:27  <Stablean> <DUJ> Црфе шы ьуфт ЗЫ
13:41:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that does not make sense,, DUJ
13:41:58  <Stablean> <DUJ> What is mean PS
13:42:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> PS is Public Server
13:42:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> this is the Welcome Server
13:42:28  <Stablean> <DUJ> Ok, thanks!
13:42:40  <V453000> that i think you built shit once does not mean I think you should not try again :)
13:42:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know, i;m building now :P
13:43:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're alright as an admin, but I dont like people shouting at me for what i've did wrong
13:43:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> perhaps later :P
13:43:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or do you need me for you to build on PS?
13:44:41  <V453000> it is nice to have people there :)
13:44:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
13:51:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> DUJ: no teletransport cargo or pax
13:51:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and keep a bit away from other people's rails
13:51:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it can be really annoying
13:52:10  <Stablean> <DUJ> Ok, no problems
14:02:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm, DUJ
14:02:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> are you going to do anything else with those cities, except grow them?
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14:43:18  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> hi
14:43:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
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15:16:14  <Stablean> <DUJ> Why so much payment of vessels&
15:16:44  <Stablean> <DUJ> what the hell?
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16:33:42  <Stablean> <dh2k3> hey Chris
16:33:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi dh2k3
16:34:03  <Stablean> <dh2k3> hope you don't mind me doing what we did the last time :)
16:34:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> which is?
16:35:00  <Stablean> <dh2k3> I help you and you help me and in this case it's you supplying building materials while I take the scrap metal to a steel mille :)
16:35:03  <Stablean> <dh2k3> mill*
16:35:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> thats fine
16:35:21  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am sure Troy or who ever allowed it
16:35:43  <Stablean> <dh2k3> not sure as I just joined about 30mins ago
16:36:09  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I don't think we are taking metal
16:36:23  <Stablean> <dh2k3> what about Anson?
16:36:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you can drop metal where you like
16:36:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Puigventós Machine Shop would be ideal
16:36:58  <Stablean> <dh2k3> you've got two high producing forests
16:37:12  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its not my company
16:37:22  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ah
16:37:28  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its Troys
16:37:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I will join later is troy allows me
16:37:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but if Troy is supplying them I would think he wanted to use them
16:38:15  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so you may want to use them for now but move them if Troy asks you
16:39:02  <Stablean> <dh2k3> food for thought then
16:49:36  <Stablean> <dh2k3> noticed max train length is 6 now
16:51:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> with 2cc 6 is very long
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16:53:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am off now
16:53:36  <Stablean> <dh2k3> alright Chris
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17:11:03  <Stablean> <dh2k3> yo Anson
17:11:21  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
17:12:02  <Stablean> <Anson> can you imagine someone wondering why a train drops supplies and they vanish instead of being delivered slowly to a mine ?
17:12:21  <Stablean> <dh2k3> I can imagine
17:12:37  <Stablean> <Anson> and the reason for this to happen ?
17:14:18  <Stablean> <dh2k3> yo think Troy would mind me keeping him and you company?
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17:15:25  <Stablean> <BennyCZ> ups
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17:29:35  <Stablean> <insulfrog> hi all
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17:33:41  <Stablean> <dh2k3> see Anson is working :)
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17:35:41  <Stablean> <Anson> because of RL, i often have to sudeenly go AFK and return a bit later or much later, or simply fall asleep when returning to the comp at 5am :-(
17:36:34  <Stablean> <Anson> thus i was very glad that i could change drop orders for my supply trains before my last extended AFK ... now my mines at least had a chance to grow
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17:39:09  <Stablean> <Anson> and yellow has a tight grip on my mill now ... but i think they might be able to use it better than i can ... don't have the time to build a metal pickup there myself ... at least not a big one
17:39:23  <Stablean> <dh2k3> u mean me Anson?
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17:40:29  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... rails on one side, station on the other ... but as i said : i won't be able to use metal much ...
17:40:44  <Stablean> <dh2k3> right now I'm just supplying coal, and scrap metal
17:41:26  <Stablean> <Anson> would you be interested in doing the metal business ? ... i only might take a tiny little of it later ... and i need supplies for a forest :-)
17:41:42  <Stablean> <dh2k3> depends on what Troy wants
17:42:08  <Stablean> <Anson> i saw your big drop ... and dropping may be done without asking :-) ... but you may also get the metal, or at least most of it ... with permission :-)
17:42:42  <Stablean> <dh2k3> I mean I can send the metal to his plant but not sure I mean all I am doing is supplying coal, scrap metal, and oil
17:45:16  <Stablean> <dh2k3> livestock hmm
17:50:46  <Stablean> <insulfrog> gotta go
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17:51:34  <Stablean> <dh2k3> noooooooo
17:51:40  <Stablean> <dh2k3> there goes the money :(
17:52:58  <Stablean> <Anson> terraformed water ? accidentally, or was it at least for a good reason ? .-)
17:54:06  <Stablean> <dh2k3> industry went away
17:57:03  <Stablean> <dh2k3> anybody have 2mil?
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18:12:51  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i have only one mill ... a steel mill :-)
18:13:13  <Stablean> <dh2k3> need 2 to build a dairy mill
18:15:31  <Stablean> <dh2k3> now another 1.2 and I'm good :)
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18:35:55  <Stablean> <dh2k3> hey Troy
18:36:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi dh2k3
18:36:09  <Stablean> <dh2k3> you in need of metal?
18:36:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I was going to transport it sooner or later, yeah
18:37:04  <Stablean> <dh2k3> right now I'm just supplying it with coal and scrap metal
18:37:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm
18:37:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> You know what
18:37:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im going to redo my network
18:37:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> andwont besupplying there anymore
18:38:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so you and Anson can fight it out :P
18:38:18  <Stablean> <dh2k3> :P
18:38:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do you really want to keep those scrap yards at camprodon?
18:39:20  <Stablean> <dh2k3> up to you if you'll continue to supply them
18:39:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, i would like to make use of them
18:40:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> are you going to be on for a while?
18:40:31  <Stablean> <dh2k3> not for much longer as I have to leave in 1hr
18:41:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can i have your pw then,since im going to build a big rebuild
18:41:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> some of your rails will only have to be moved slightly
18:41:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and ill supply ES in return :P
18:41:40  <Stablean> <dh2k3> that works
18:41:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> k
18:41:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thx
18:42:57  <Stablean> <Anson> as i already said : i probably won't have any need for lots of metal ... besides maybe a small station in the future for my own use, you can use my metal
18:43:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> was probably just shipping it to my machine shop
18:43:35  <Stablean> <dh2k3> that was the plan
18:44:40  <Stablean> <dh2k3> except those bridges costs millions
18:44:40  <Stablean> <Anson> i just changed orders for my only coal mine, to make the forest grow ... when/if i have the time later and remember, i might split trains to supply both industries ... until then, steel mill will get no more coal from me
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18:51:45  <Stablean> <Anson> openTTD is smart enough to refit wagons/trucks when autoreplacing them and the new choice has another default cargo, right ?
18:51:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah
18:52:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if it is right wagon/truck
18:52:36  <Stablean> <Anson> why doesn't openTTD have the same intelligence when it comes to buying new vehicles ... when i have a filter for wood and buy a wagon, i forget most of the time to refit it for wood afterwards :-(
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18:53:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that would only show the available
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18:54:30  <Stablean> <Anson> setting a filter shows what is available .. but when i buy it, it may have any other default cargo and i need to refit it myself
18:54:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
18:54:56  <Stablean> <Anson> since i already had selected a cargo type, it would be nice to have some "automatic refit" to that type of cargo
18:55:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that might be an idea
18:55:31  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe like many other options ingame ... click to buy, ctrl-clik to buy&refit ?
18:56:50  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, and an additional option on autoreplace would be nice too ... currently, it lists all wagons which have any cargo in common with the current wagon
18:57:30  <Stablean> <Anson> i would like an option that reduces the shown wagons to only those which match the current (re)fitting
18:57:48  <Stablean> <dh2k3> and to add cars equal to the station length
18:58:35  <Stablean> <dh2k3> um what happened to the scrap trains Troy?
18:58:45  <Stablean> <Anson> who uses the refit order in the order list might want it as it is, but some wagons can transport all types of cargo, and then the list of possible replacements is veeeeeerrrrrryyyyy long :-(
18:58:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> they're gone
18:59:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I thought it was clear i wanted to take it :S
18:59:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus the rails were interfering
18:59:22  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ah
18:59:24  <Stablean> <Anson> they were scrapped :-)
18:59:44  <Stablean> <dh2k3> tell the road vehicles that then :P
18:59:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, missed them
19:00:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I probably thought they were my own :P
19:00:18  <Stablean> <dh2k3> nope transfer service
19:02:51  <Stablean> <dh2k3> dear town on Riunegrede Francoli please let me build a truck station ok?
19:03:45  <Stablean> <dh2k3> no :(
19:03:45  <Stablean> <dh2k3> why I outta :P
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19:15:31  <Stablean> <Anson> is my math flawed, or how is the production calculated ? .... example :
19:16:01  <Stablean> <Anson> a train delivers 150 coal, and lime kiln produces 4t farm supplies for 8t coal
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19:16:33  <Stablean> <Anson> that would be 75t ? ... and even with 66% transportation rating, it should be at least 50t ?
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19:17:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I have no idea Anson
19:17:18  <Stablean> <Anson> but every time a full coal train with 150t is unloaded, i only get 24 or 25 supplies
19:17:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which is 1/6
19:17:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
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19:19:38  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe it multiplies ... first the production rate is used (4t for 8t), then the factory rating of 66% and then the station rating of 66%, for a total of 1/2 x 2/3 x 2/3 = 4/18 = 2/9, less than 20% ....
20:33:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Anson?
20:41:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi Chris
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20:41:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi Troy McClure
20:41:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> pm told me tell to tell you something
20:41:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> me?
20:41:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what?
20:41:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> something about that he doesnt have any blocks for admin requests by persons
20:41:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> he just wasnt around
20:42:06  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh I am amazed
20:42:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I told people that you would move your supplies if they took your industries
20:42:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh, not a big problem
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20:42:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see :P
20:43:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh ok
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20:43:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> party rock is in the house tonight
20:43:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I liked your !sedef signs
20:44:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hehe
20:44:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> setdef
20:44:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> some problemswith slow pbs earlier
20:44:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
20:44:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its been an issue in the last 3 games
20:44:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> local config files at Sylf's end
20:45:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> did he make the last 3 games?
20:45:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes not like he doesn't know how to change it
20:45:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
20:45:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> he should know the cfg that coop uses
20:45:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> if he doesn't I can give him mine
20:45:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> btw, i could need your help
20:45:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ooh you could
20:46:09  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> give me 5 mins
20:47:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> don't kill me for saying this
20:47:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but why not make it LLL_RRR so we probably dont need to expand again?
20:47:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
20:47:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cause it's a bitch?
20:47:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but we could
20:47:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I count 4 oil wells on the line
20:48:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> thats enough to fill LL_RR with supply trians
20:48:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seriously
20:48:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> than it is required
20:48:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or we could route chemicals and petrols on there own line
20:48:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and we would only need LL_RR realisticly
20:48:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or you need to do refits, but not in the mood for it
20:49:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or add a supply car to all oil trains
20:49:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or all trains
20:49:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then you could still have the transfer system
20:50:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but this is 2cc not sure what the smallest wagon is
20:50:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> quite big
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20:50:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> had to use trucks to do it right
20:50:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> depot all trains/
20:50:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ?
20:51:04  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 15 create per tain
20:51:06  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> train
20:51:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> like train 157
20:51:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but how do you have that in mind?
20:51:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oil>oilref>?
20:51:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oil - > ref
20:52:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> supply -> ref
20:52:09  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> drop oil load supplys
20:52:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> supplys - > well
20:52:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or same with steel mill
20:52:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or other metals
20:53:27  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> they wouldn't need to run full of supplys
20:53:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> just have the supply wagon
20:53:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> with enough trains they will pick up some
20:53:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> enough then to have 1 droped a month
20:54:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> this would still require LLRR
20:54:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> right?
20:54:28  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> LLRR at least
20:54:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> maybe LLLRRR
20:54:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but would be different
20:55:27  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you company your choice
20:55:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> once we decide
20:55:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> stop everything and build for fresh
20:55:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> delete all?
20:56:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
20:56:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> easyier
20:56:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> less hacky
20:56:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how about
20:57:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oil>refit>petrol>refit>oil
20:57:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seperate trains for chemicals and supplies?
20:57:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> if you want
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20:57:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> refit stations a quite big
20:57:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i know
20:58:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and have less capacity with this low station spread
20:58:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, your idea
20:58:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hhm 9 tiles shoule be enough I think
20:59:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can the MSH stay?
20:59:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> erm not sure
20:59:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am trying to plan the refit station to get more than 9 platfroms
20:59:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no refit station
21:00:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why not?
21:00:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nvm
21:02:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we could use Camprodon Annexe style
21:02:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not finished at all
21:02:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> lol no
21:03:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you get the idea now?
21:04:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how to enter !here?
21:04:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how many bays is this?
21:05:14  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 17
21:05:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for one station?
21:05:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> per station yes
21:05:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hhh,mmmm
21:05:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
21:06:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> water is kind on in the way but should work
21:06:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but dont pull that one trick again
21:06:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what one trick?
21:06:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 'guys, lets rebuild completely'
21:07:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 'ýeah sure'
21:07:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> depotin all trains
21:07:28  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
21:07:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then I left?
21:07:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> destroying infrastructure
21:07:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> WHAM
21:07:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> water tf
21:07:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh yes lol
21:07:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 'where'd  the money go;
21:07:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> err
21:08:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 'I spent it all'
21:08:14  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes that was quite funny
21:08:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that was the huge FIRS game
21:08:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, all trains depoted
21:08:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> except one
21:09:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok its only going to be 16 platforms
21:11:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hhhm
21:12:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> make that 14
21:12:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the gap is only 8
21:12:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> withe big big TF
21:12:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what do you think?
21:12:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> go ahead
21:13:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> last thing we want is ref dying
21:14:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> massive gay
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21:15:05  <Stablean> <ice-flame> helloo
21:15:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> who, him?
21:15:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no
21:15:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi iceflame
21:15:36  <Stablean> <ice-flame> good evening:)
21:16:12  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> If I tf 2 water tiles I can have 14 platforms
21:16:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> if I don't we have 13
21:16:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> so for now we have 13
21:16:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am not spending all the money
21:16:45  <Stablean> <ice-flame> new trucks?
21:16:49  <Stablean> <ice-flame> construction things?:P
21:20:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Troy McClure: this is one mess refit what do you think?
21:20:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it is a mess
21:21:49  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> :'( I hate water
21:24:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> even bigger waaah
21:26:10  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> i hate is refinery
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21:32:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> think I finaly got it
21:32:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what do you think not Troy McClure?
21:33:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> entry and exit on same end?
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21:33:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yeah
21:33:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it will ave to
21:33:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no chance for chemicals?
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21:35:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> all we need is *just * the SLH's
21:36:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> thats the issue with the water
21:36:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no room for 3 stations
21:36:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> or we move
21:37:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
21:37:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 10 m on sunk costs :S
21:37:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
21:38:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we need a 3rd line there
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21:42:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> if you wanted we could airlift Chemicals out
21:43:10  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> nope no planes refit to chemials
21:45:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok 2 or 3 lines enter?
21:45:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> made ML 3lines
21:46:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Im so not in the mood for this
21:46:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then we dno't have to do it
21:47:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im off then
21:47:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you have 24 M
21:47:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do with it what you like :P
21:47:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> :'(
21:47:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i've had fun enough growing the industries
21:47:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for all i care, run it bankrupt
21:48:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> have others a go at the primaries we service
21:48:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im off :P
21:48:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no
21:48:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> good luck if you wish to continue
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21:48:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok be like that
21:49:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> untill a next time
21:49:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I just finished the transfer
21:50:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> refit things
21:50:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, but there are 3 SLH's to be done
21:50:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at least
21:50:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not that much
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21:51:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> any other comments on !SLH01, !SLH02 and !SLH03
21:52:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no
21:52:10  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I will get on them as soon as I can
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21:53:30  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hey hey
21:53:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hey, looks like you've got yourself a partner, Chris :P
21:53:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hih
21:53:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> please say your going to help us
21:54:02  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Lol with?
21:54:14  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Troy McClure: refit idea
21:54:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that he ahs given up on
21:54:18  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> :/
21:54:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> like Collbató Woods
21:54:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we need another one of those
21:54:47  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> :/
21:55:12  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Ill build anything else :P
21:55:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> SLH's at !SLH01, !SLH02 and !SLH03
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21:55:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> shit
21:55:33  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Lol
21:55:36  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> G'Evening
21:55:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Troy McClure: we have bigger issues than that
21:55:44  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hey Timma
21:55:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what CB?
21:55:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi Timmaexx
21:56:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok how much room is left at Oil Ref for other things
21:56:16  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> None :D
21:56:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> now at petrol drop there are 2 pickup stations
21:56:39  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Cant you use the same station?
21:56:49  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> to pickup and drop
21:56:51  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> No
21:56:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not with this low station spread
21:57:05  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> I mean all drop at the drop all pickup at the pickup
21:57:14  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Like how it is now
21:57:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the idea is to do oil -> petrol ->oil
21:57:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ooh so it doesn't need to pick up
21:57:41  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> So its fine then? :P
21:57:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then it only need to be a simple refit
21:57:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes just needs to be LLL_RRR with refit area
21:58:07  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Which way should the SLH's face?
21:58:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> from oil to ref
21:58:21  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Is Selva alta Dredging Site a bug?
21:58:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and from machine shop to oil
21:58:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> they need to be T shaped SLHS
21:58:33  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> LLL_RRR :/
21:58:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> facing oil wells
21:58:42  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oki
21:58:56  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> So 3 ways
21:59:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
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21:59:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh god
21:59:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> except lower
21:59:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 03
21:59:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's just metal
21:59:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I will take 01
21:59:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 03
21:59:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that MSH is going to be hell
21:59:44  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Ill do 02 then
21:59:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> MSH should be fine
22:00:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> has 3 in from ML
22:00:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and place for 3 to MS
22:00:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we also need an exit waypoint
22:00:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> with conditional order for less than 10% load
22:00:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then refit back
22:00:33  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> SLH tracks L_R?
22:00:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
22:00:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> them oil wells are big
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22:07:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> half of SLH 01
22:07:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh is SLH 01 only oil?
22:07:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Woodtoo, i hope
22:08:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> fuckinh hate wood
22:08:19  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> I like wood :)
22:08:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the infrastructure should be in place
22:08:29  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Better than shitty coal
22:08:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there's a sawmill at the steel mill
22:10:28  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> möp, i failed don't buy my comp
22:10:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok will not buy your comp Timmaexx
22:10:57  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> would be better ;)
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22:18:59  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oops
22:19:03  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Did we wanna buy that?
22:19:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no
22:19:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> noooo
22:19:19  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Ok i said no :D
22:19:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that was the last thing we wanted to buy
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22:24:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok think thats SLH 01 built
22:28:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> think that should work
22:28:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> shall I add oil trains?
22:28:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
22:28:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> run what you can
22:29:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why that loco?
22:29:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> relatively strong
22:29:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but choose another one
22:29:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> we had this one
22:29:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what would you go for?
22:29:44  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> SNCG 260000
22:30:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> SNCF sorry
22:30:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> higher running costs (x2) and higher speed
22:30:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes it has more power, but will it be as smooth as the Class 1044
22:30:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> less TE too
22:30:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Running costsx1.5
22:31:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> can afford only 2 oil trains
22:31:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but its better than 0
22:32:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> kept current loco for now
22:34:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> don't take out the loan
22:34:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we now have no failsafe
22:34:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> we have trains running
22:35:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> income of at least .5M/year
22:35:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> only 33
22:35:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> probably more
22:35:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> which SLH is Caldes de Torreroja Wells going to?
22:35:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the idea was 01
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22:36:23  <Stablean> <dh2k3> yo
22:36:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wb
22:36:27  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hi
22:36:31  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ty
22:36:45  <Stablean> <dh2k3> someone changed the color I see :o
22:36:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, i know i would screw up sooner or later
22:37:06  <Stablean> <dh2k3> tis ok :)
22:37:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I have delivered ES in the meantime
22:37:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but redid the whole network, so the stock's emtpy again
22:37:45  <Stablean> <dh2k3> I see
22:37:51  <Stablean> <dh2k3> you need metal still?
22:37:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> but it will be running again soon
22:38:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> got our own steel mill
22:38:48  <Stablean> <dh2k3> I can see you redid everthing
22:38:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yep
22:39:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> even an isane station
22:39:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> except for !this
22:40:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> lol
22:40:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 1.8M gross again
22:40:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah
22:40:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wasnt connected to anything, so why bother
22:40:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus it made a small amount of money
22:40:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> shit
22:41:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> enough to say: bye, im gone and come back the next day with enough money to do some
22:41:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> stupid me
22:42:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> with bad orders
22:42:19  <Stablean> <dh2k3> got 100k?
22:42:31  <Stablean> <dh2k3> need to fund an inudstry :)
22:42:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> barely
22:42:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we have full loan
22:42:52  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ouch :(
22:42:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no we dont
22:43:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> #oh no we don't
22:43:10  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ty
22:43:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> we have no money though
22:43:43  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> SLH done, somone gonna connect the station? Because i dunno what goes where
22:43:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just that station, i guess
22:44:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes just that oil well
22:44:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but it services two oil wells
22:44:19  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Which is for oil which is for engineerin shizz
22:44:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wells for oil
22:44:27  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oh just noticed that..
22:44:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> south oil out
22:44:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> woods for engy
22:44:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> north and south oil in
22:44:40  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> es north only
22:44:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> need to do ES to other oil well too, you know
22:45:11  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Soo make another Es station?
22:45:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> perhaps just other truck service would be fine
22:45:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> make a little road
22:45:33  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> K
22:46:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ta dar
22:46:33  <Stablean> <dh2k3> livestock......
22:46:47  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> livestock is smelly
22:46:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> make your your buy trains with airfresheners
22:47:11  <Stablean> <dh2k3> only in texas ;)
22:47:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no I would put airfresheners in my livestock trains
22:47:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> to keep them lemon fresh
22:47:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and I would clean them with lemon pledge after every trip
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22:48:30  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oh I was gonna leave a longer run up to the station
22:48:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> like that MrD2DG
22:48:39  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Incase es gets blocked
22:48:45  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> But do as you wish :P
22:48:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no its your station
22:48:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> was just an idea
22:49:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am off now
22:49:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its my bedtime
22:49:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
22:49:36  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> BB
22:49:40  <Stablean> *** Chris Booth has left the game (leaving)
22:49:52  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Ugh no monies
22:50:04  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Umm i actually have to go now too :/
22:50:10  <Stablean> <dh2k3> any stockyards?
22:50:12  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Can you finish the station?
22:50:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> me too in a short while
22:50:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure
22:50:23  <Stablean> <dh2k3> nm there is one
22:50:25  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> K Bye
22:50:35  <Stablean> *** MrD2DG has left the game (leaving)
22:53:00  <Stablean> <dh2k3> who wants food?
22:54:05  <Stablean> *** MajorTrains has left the game (leaving)
22:57:19  <Stablean> *** GipsArm has left the game (leaving)
23:04:49  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (connection lost)
23:05:12  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game
23:11:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thanks
23:11:56  <Stablean> <dh2k3> :)
23:12:21  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ok for me to take food to
23:12:29  <Stablean> <dh2k3> Camprodon?
23:12:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
23:12:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> rather not
23:12:55  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ok :)
23:12:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's crowdedas it is
23:13:32  <Stablean> <dh2k3> there a max bridge span?
23:13:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
23:13:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 10
23:13:39  <Stablean> <dh2k3> :(
23:13:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> max tunnel is 64
23:13:53  <Stablean> <dh2k3> doesn't help over water
23:19:04  <Stablean> <dh2k3> thank you oilfield :)
23:38:33  <Stablean> <dh2k3> um
23:38:36  <Stablean> <dh2k3> train:S
23:38:55  <Stablean> <dh2k3> ah here is why

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