Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 26th July 2011:
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08:47:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
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08:48:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> try to transport 50+% percent before growing town
08:49:08  <Stablean> <md> still recovering from jam
08:49:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ow
08:49:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just saying
08:49:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i dont mind low coverage, the admins do :P
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09:11:51  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> hi
09:11:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
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09:28:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> @@(clcalc erail 160)
09:28:44  <Webster> Stablean: Required CL for rail at 160km/h is 3 (5 half tiles) or TL
09:36:12  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> troy why have you trani 300kmp and second 180kmp?
09:36:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> because the 300 provides the power, but is very slow on acceleration
09:36:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it takes a long time for it to reach top speed
09:37:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so speed is capped at 180 kph
09:37:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> understand?
09:37:56  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> ye
09:37:58  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> yes
09:41:17  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> bye
09:41:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
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12:08:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
12:08:26  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi Troy McClure
12:08:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I thought you wanted to do some pax earlier, so i started some
12:09:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes some loops pax
12:09:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> our trians are funny looking
12:10:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the freight trains?
12:10:15  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
12:10:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know
12:10:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thalys/NS1600
12:10:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why that combo?
12:10:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Thalys for power
12:11:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> NS1600 for speed capping
12:11:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> even with 2x NS1600 still very low on accel
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12:11:44  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what about 2x thlays?
12:12:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> higher vmax, so also slow on accel
12:12:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> they seem wuite fast to the top speed
12:13:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> fully loaded?
12:13:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> mot sure
12:13:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not sure
12:13:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> with cargo that is
12:13:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> having a look now
12:14:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 20 tiles
12:14:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> fully loaded
12:14:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, your verdict?
12:15:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> thayls looks good
12:15:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can i see your test train?
12:15:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 114
12:15:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you think 20 tiles is acceptable?
12:16:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
12:16:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> err, thats real sweet, fruit
12:16:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but wood is already 241 tonnes
12:16:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not 144, like fruit
12:16:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> check train 115
12:17:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thalys + HSA?
12:17:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
12:17:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 231 kN
12:17:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> other trains: 368 kN
12:17:43  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> kn is only relivant low down
12:17:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but again: 144 tonnes of fruit
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12:18:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wood is 241 tonnes
12:19:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> well they are both 20 tiles
12:19:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> regular trains too?
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12:22:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> check train 103
12:22:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 12 tiles max
12:26:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> was 103 also carrying 91 passengers?
12:26:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> didn't check
12:26:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why?
12:27:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cause you cant refit the ICE3 to cargo
12:27:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> might give problems at some points
12:27:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> will make use more money
12:32:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> those HSA are stupid fast
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18:32:48  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> hi
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19:09:17  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hi
19:09:20  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> hi
19:31:43  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> aaa
19:31:52  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> ?
19:32:04  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> lost 2 train :D
19:32:07  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Lol
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20:20:50  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hey troy
20:21:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ih
20:21:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
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20:22:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> MrD2DG, could you check my #118
20:22:16  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> On it now..
20:22:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its moving at 1 kph,and i dontknow wy
20:22:31  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Ooh
20:23:02  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Maybe its a bug tried it on normal track (w/o station)
20:23:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
20:23:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im running some similar trains
20:23:40  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hmm
20:23:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only #118 isonly HSA
20:24:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the ones im actually running are part HSA and part regularwagons
20:24:25  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oh
20:24:31  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Probably that then
20:24:41  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Maybe some sort of bug in the set with too many locos?
20:25:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> #117 is 7 HSA and one wagon
20:25:29  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Well that works fine
20:25:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seems to be too many locos
20:25:39  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Yep
20:25:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its now 4.5
20:25:47  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Why would you even consider an all loco train anyway? :P
20:25:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 8 locs
20:26:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> because some trains are meant that way
20:26:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> accel is shit anyway
20:26:27  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Well maybe some EMU's
20:26:31  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> True
20:27:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ive run other trains with 8 or more locs
20:27:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no problem there
20:27:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only the HSA
20:28:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ive thought it might have something to do with coding
20:28:31  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Well if its a bug then probably :P
20:28:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> too many HP might be too large, adn cPU begins counting from 0 again
20:28:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which would result in very low HP
20:29:01  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Could be
20:29:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you should have the same problem with maglevs
20:29:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> unless it is just this set
20:30:06  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Maglevw are usually 1-2 locos though maybe its the amount of loco counting that messes it up
20:30:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not just locs
20:30:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> as i said, ive run other trains with 8 locs
20:30:42  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Well then its probably a bug specific to that train
20:30:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Ive run those TL 10 maglev trains with6 locs
20:30:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> HUGE POWER
20:31:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so probably just this engine in this set
20:31:40  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Yep
20:32:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> DD, any idea?
20:32:24  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Didnt even realise he was here..
20:33:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh, and most trains have more capacity whenonly loco
20:33:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and Running costs are often manageable
20:35:15  <Stablean> <DnZ-Ali> bye bye
20:35:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
20:35:20  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> BB
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20:37:19  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hi CB
20:37:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi chris
20:37:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi all
20:37:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Troy McClure: you have mixed the trains up
20:37:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> CB, could you check our train 118?
20:38:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not my train
20:38:07  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am not playing
20:38:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :P
20:38:11  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Lol
20:38:15  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you ruined my small company and plan
20:38:31  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> xD
20:39:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plan?
20:39:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its my fault I shouldn't have left the password as it was
20:39:44  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that big mountain near Great Draborough I was going to make a loop around it
20:40:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dont remember changing anything about that
20:40:39  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no but you eapanded my MM
20:40:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> unless you mean pax trains
20:40:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why is train 1 going only 1km/h?
20:40:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> 118
20:40:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ive added some stations to it
20:41:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i told you to checkit
20:41:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i dont know
20:41:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I DONT KNOW
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20:41:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ive been asking everybody, but i dont kno
20:41:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its a HSA only locs
20:41:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> works with other locs
20:41:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> does it ever get to speed?
20:42:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope, never
20:42:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you use 7 locs and a wagon, yes
20:42:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 8 locs and wagon, no
20:42:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 8 locs on other trains: fine
20:43:12  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> how queer
20:44:05  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> looks like a feature of the set
20:44:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
20:44:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what is needed for acceleration, TE or power?
20:44:33  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> bot
20:44:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> both
20:44:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> TE works down low
20:44:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> power up to end
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20:45:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, i was just making an excel file, comparing the dutc trains
20:45:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that a very anal thing to do
20:46:03  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the game can do it all for you
20:46:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> anal?
20:46:15  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes anal
20:46:25  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Lol
20:46:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how can it do that for me?
20:46:48  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I would google it unless you want to see porn, but its an old english term
20:47:01  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Think that can be translated as a bit obesessive..
20:47:16  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> yes
20:47:21  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Shouldnt really bother you that much i mean were you really going to use all locos?
20:47:35  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> That would just lead to stupidly high running costs
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20:47:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I dont know them, so getting to know them
20:48:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and it is worth it i think, since accel is real slow here
20:48:37  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Accel on PAx train isnt really that important IMO
20:48:49  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Unless they are mixing with freight
20:49:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> youve never had such a busy pax game
20:49:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ?
20:49:51  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> I used to play PAX only so yes
20:50:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if accel is important on freight, why wouldnt it be important on pax?
20:50:27  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> But still, I dont see how accel is that important for your network, the stations are mostly close together
20:50:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> The term anal retentive (also anally retentive), commonly abbreviated to anal,[1] is used conversationally to describe a person who pays such attention to detail that the obsession becomes an annoyance to others, and can be carried out to the detriment of the anal-retentive person. The term derives from Freudian psychoanalysis. People who are said to be anal retentive usually suffer from Obsessive-compulsive personali
20:50:43  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Trains will slowdown as soo as the get to full speed
20:50:43  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> xD
20:51:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hope that now tells you what to be anal is Troy McClure
20:51:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> its not that old term than
20:51:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Freud is begin of 1900, so its at best 100 years old :P
20:52:18  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> its still a nice term and used often in england
20:52:25  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> just not been americanised yet
20:52:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, its ambiguous, but it is a nice term :P
20:53:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh, and high running  costs arent really an issue
20:53:31  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Id say its perfectly discriptive :)
20:53:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> with all loco trains
20:54:27  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Id say it is
20:54:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> they are comparable to trains pulling wagons
20:54:37  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Not in this set..
20:54:52  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> MrD2DG: do all 147 of your trains use that one junction
20:55:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> because im anally retentive, i know that
20:55:17  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Even your not full loco'd HSA's make about 70k in profit running costs are about 70k
20:55:23  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> You coudl double the profit
20:55:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ive checked running cost and running cost/ton too ;)
20:55:25  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> And yes CB
20:55:28  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> (I think
20:55:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> most
20:55:36  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> nice
20:55:40  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Wait which junction?
20:55:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Renhattan
20:56:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> HSA, ICE and Thalys are exceptions
20:56:30  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Thats not my network
20:56:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Ali
20:56:40  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh no its not
20:56:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> XD
20:56:44  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> xD
20:56:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that green
20:57:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> wow BBH 02 is overly huge
20:57:52  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> I like to build big :P
21:02:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, thats odd
21:02:22  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> ..?
21:02:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> theres no such thing as mat 41
21:02:48  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Your're researchign the trains?
21:02:51  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> *researching
21:03:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i was noting that mat 41 has quite good characteristics
21:03:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> especially for its day (1941 ordered)
21:03:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so then i checked
21:03:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but couldnt find it
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21:04:22  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> there is a MAT 24
21:04:30  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and a MAT 41
21:04:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I mean in real life
21:04:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh must be base on a real train
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21:05:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> most of them are
21:05:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but i cant place this one
21:10:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> MrD2DG: you know Cufield is breaking the rules
21:11:10  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> How so?
21:11:17  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oh i know
21:11:20  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> all you pax is less than 50%
21:11:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> more than 50% coverage
21:11:28  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Knew it
21:11:32  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Wait i dont care though
21:11:39  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> If somone wants to take some i dont mind
21:11:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> how can they?
21:12:00  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Ask me...
21:12:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok give me some of your pax
21:12:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol
21:12:24  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Build a line to the city and have all you want...
21:12:49  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> meh
21:12:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> CBA
21:12:51  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> :)
21:13:10  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I am off now
21:13:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
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21:13:22  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Wait so the rules states that you CANT do pax if you cant carry 50% of it?
21:13:22  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> BB
21:14:01  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> >_>
21:14:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> When you are growing large towns, make sure most of the passengers are taken to inter-city transports. Otherwise the city is "just local" and only wastes cpu, without any use for your network.
21:14:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> When growing a town, make sure majority of the buildings are covered. Otherwise you are growing it for no use. An indicator of satisfactory transport is around 50% transported
21:15:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> passengers per month (or more).
21:15:07  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Well ofc I planned to expand the network
21:15:21  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Just have been busy building elsewhere
21:15:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you've got your answer ;)
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21:51:18  <Stablean> planetmaker: (you need to !restart to have the new content loaded)
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22:40:59  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Im done for today, BB
22:41:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
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