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Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 16th December 2011:
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00:06:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> troy, there's a train stuck at Monningley Forest
00:06:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> thx
00:18:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, Sylf?
00:18:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seen any of andy's workings?
00:18:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> not really
00:18:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> I just see long trains.
00:18:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you didnt notice !this !orthis?
00:19:54  <Stablean> <Andy> I just like it to be flat
00:19:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh Andy, you did that in the last game too
00:19:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> NOOB
00:20:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> We highly discourage terraforming like that
00:20:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> use the landscape without much mods
00:20:55  <Stablean> <Andy> i'd agree it was a bit excessive in one place, but i got the heights v wrong
00:21:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> there is no need to do anything like !orthis at all either
00:21:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> now white is doing it too
00:22:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> white isnt here now
00:22:23  <Stablean> <Sylf> but you see it at the north end of the map
00:22:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> augh no, realy?
00:22:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> next to Harnway North
00:22:45  <Stablean> <Andy> I am just trying to keep max speed up, which means min of 3 space turn
00:22:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> Yes, we all do that.
00:23:09  <Stablean> <Sylf> But without excessive terraforming
00:23:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I am not even going to argue with you about how you build your rails
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00:24:48  <Stablean> <Andy> go on, rnlighten me
00:25:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I am NOT even going to argue with you
00:25:27  <Stablean> <Andy> not looking to argue, you guys obviously have your methodologies
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00:26:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're not even trying to fix the mess you've made?
00:26:43  <Sylf> don't bother.
00:27:05  <Sylf> No need trying to "fix" those things.
00:27:13  <Sylf> Just don't do it in the future games.
00:27:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, he fucked up an important junction too
00:27:54  <Stablean> <Andy> i'll try to keep terraforming to min
00:27:56  <Stablean> <Sylf> and if speed is a concern, then use more locos.
00:28:00  <Stablean> <Andy> thanks for pointing it out
00:28:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, you wont
00:28:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you will keep making this mistake over and over and over again
00:29:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> holy crap, that's a huge jam
00:29:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> refitting
00:29:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> will solve
00:29:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> aaaah
00:29:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and some orders werent right
00:29:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> they had: no unloading, wait for full load
00:30:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not any full load, just full load
00:30:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wont work with regearing trains :P
00:30:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> I hate upgrading and regearing combination >_<
00:31:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> someone...
00:31:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I guess Meech
00:31:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wanted to upgrade to the fastest steamers
00:31:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> real obnoxious with acce
00:31:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure, they have high power, but they dont reach vmax too fast...
00:32:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> why did I get the annoying idea of using these old signals >_<
00:33:15  <Stablean> <Andy> so how come the prod is so slow to up on this map?
00:33:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> they're nostalgic?
00:33:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> what's slow?
00:36:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> rawr
00:36:51  <Stablean> <Sylf> time to rebuild the island.
00:38:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> where do people learn some of these tricks... like using path signals BEFORE merge?
00:39:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> who did that?
00:39:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> MrShadow or whatever his name did that yesterday
00:39:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> I see a few peole doing it in this game
00:40:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's even more baffling than people building the entire network with just PBS
00:40:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
00:40:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that makes some sense, but pbs before mergers...
00:40:54  <Stablean> <Andy> what's wrong with PBS?
00:41:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> -_-
00:41:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> Let's look at the !test area
00:41:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> What's the point of building like that?
00:42:07  <Stablean> <Andy> where's the !test area
00:42:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> search in the signs list
00:42:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> -_- :O
00:42:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> perhaps time to make the PS my standard server...
00:43:22  <Stablean> <Andy> right
00:44:15  <Stablean> <Andy> so what is the issue with that?
00:45:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> perhaps there's nothing wrong with that
00:45:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but there's certainly  nothing right with that...
00:45:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> not too much.  But I just don't understand the reason people go through the extra step to change the regular block signal to PBS for no apparent reason whatsoever.
00:45:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> So I'm just asking, where people learn to do it
00:45:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> And why did people think that it's better to build a merger that way
00:46:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at the moment, im making profit removing useless trains...
00:46:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> :P
00:47:05  <Stablean> <Andy> before I started playing online, i used to use only pbs
00:48:09  <Stablean> <Andy> So could you put in the test area how you'd do a merge?
00:48:11  <Stablean> <Andy> please
00:48:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> that.
00:49:09  <Stablean> <Sylf> no need for PBS.
00:49:20  <Stablean> <Andy> but it will work the same, won't it?
00:49:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah.
00:49:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> so, my question was, why take the extra step to convert some of those signals to PBS
00:49:51  <Stablean> <Andy> just habit i guess
00:50:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> k
00:50:28  <Stablean> <Andy> i like using pbs, especially on station entrances as you can get multiple entries to empty platforms
00:50:43  <Stablean> <Large_Meech> hi
00:50:51  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm a strong unbeliever in PBS
00:50:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
00:51:02  <Stablean> <Sylf> Especially in front of a ro-ro station.
00:51:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
00:51:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> trains make some stupidest decision to wait longer with PBS in front of a ro-ro
00:51:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you'd rather have  start/combo/exit signals at my wood drop?
00:51:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> "I think this closer platform is going to be open soon, so I'll sit at entrance longer"
00:51:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's true
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00:52:15  <Stablean> <Sylf> OK, like, Morningley Sawmill...
00:52:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> seen it before
00:52:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> I would never build a station entrance like that personally
00:52:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but only 4 platforms are used now...
00:52:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> those combo signals pretty much become a signal gap
00:52:47  <Stablean> <Andy> For example, at !PBS, in the right moment, I can have trains entering at the same moment from 3 directions
00:52:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> alsotrue
00:53:04  <Stablean> <Andy> if there is space in the station, of course
00:53:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so split first to two lines
00:53:14  <Stablean> <Andy> speeds up delivery and exit
00:53:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> first of all, I would split drop station and pickup station
00:53:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> @@(clcalc erail 2)
00:53:44  <Webster> Stablean: A rail Curve Length of 2 (3 half tiles) gives a speed of 132km/h or 82mph
00:53:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> then, if I want 2 trains entering at the same time, I would design the entrance entirely differently
00:53:54  <Stablean> <Andy> when it starts to get jammed up, that's what I'll do
00:54:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> trains can only enter with 132 kph
00:54:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> limiting their flow through station
00:54:12  <Stablean> <Andy> but you might have noticed, i tend to mix my lines up
00:54:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> nah, there are plenty of CL1 there
00:54:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ;)
00:54:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> @@(clcalc erail 1)
00:54:30  <Webster> Stablean: A rail Curve Length of 1 (1 half tiles) gives a speed of 88km/h or 55mph
00:54:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> like that train
00:54:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there's just so much wrong with that station now
00:55:10  <Stablean> <Large_Meech> lol
00:55:12  <Stablean> <Sylf> like righ t now...
00:55:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> I understand how some people (or majority out there) like PBS
00:55:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> But I've also seen some disasterous result of PBS use too.
00:56:06  <Stablean> <Andy> I just believe the flow is better using pbs
00:56:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's wrong
00:56:24  <Stablean> <Andy> you don't limit one line to one or two platforms
00:56:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I like pbs, but i just know its wrong
00:56:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> use presignals
00:56:52  <Stablean> <Sylf> presignals and proper balancer
00:57:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> (not that I'm really the person to talk about it....)
00:57:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> anyway.  I just can't stop wondering about some stranger use of PBS than those pre-split situations.
00:59:19  <Stablean> <Andy> And there was me thinking my routing was really neat
00:59:26  <Stablean> <Andy> :)
01:00:00  <Stablean> <Andy> My goods trains do two drops per routing
01:00:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> ya all should at least go play the public server games once... it's mind blowing.
01:01:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> not just mind blowing.... it's a good eye opener what's possible
01:02:44  <Stablean> <Large_Meech> correct, just not that many as the coal can't get access
01:05:19  <Stablean> <Large_Meech> and reconnect at here
01:24:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> OH DEARLORD
01:24:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> YOU JUST CANT STOP
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01:35:08  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> :)
01:36:15  <Stablean> *** Big_Meech has changed his/her name to Gargantuan_Meech
01:36:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> :P
01:36:18  <Stablean> <Gargantuan_Meech> ;)
01:36:38  <Stablean> <Gargantuan_Meech> bigger than big
01:36:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> im beginning to suspect you of overcompensating...
01:36:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> bigger than life!
01:36:56  <Stablean> <Gargantuan_Meech> lol
01:37:04  <Stablean> <Gargantuan_Meech> 500lbs of fun ;)
01:37:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just call yourself ChuckNorris Meech and be done with it ;)
01:37:39  <Stablean> *** Gargantuan_Meech has changed his/her name to Chuck_Norris_Meech
01:37:41  <Stablean> <Chuck_Norris_Meech> there
01:37:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> -_-
01:37:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cant get bigger than that...
01:38:02  <Stablean> <Chuck_Norris_Meech> I defy gravity
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02:02:09  <Stablean> <Chuck_Norris_Meech> I made !ths
02:04:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, okay
02:04:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> all bridges are maxed to 804 kph?
02:04:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's new...
02:04:39  <Stablean> <Chuck_Norris_Meech> yeah, never seen that before
02:04:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
02:04:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> watch your signals
02:05:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> watch your orders
02:05:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and goodbye
02:05:11  <Stablean> <Chuck_Norris_Meech> bye
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02:05:43  <Stablean> <Chuck_Norris_Meech> bb also
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02:08:32  <Stablean> <Cameron> pity, I missed the restart...
02:08:48  <Stablean> <Cameron> there's now nothing to do on this map :(
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02:09:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> Build like I did :)
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02:09:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> compact and fun
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02:18:22  <Stablean> <Cameron> scuba diving is fun
02:18:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> :o
02:18:40  <Stablean> <Chuck_Norris_Meech> muff diving is more fun
02:18:52  <Stablean> <Cameron> no.
02:18:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> ;)
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02:23:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> mazur?
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02:59:12  <Mazur> Yes, Sylf?
02:59:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> nevermind.  You already saw your jam.
02:59:31  <Mazur> Sorry, was attentie on other matters.
02:59:33  <Mazur> Ah yes.
02:59:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> I hope it was delicious.
02:59:47  <Mazur> Bit of a mixup in construction.
03:00:05  <Mazur> No, but that's not a bad idea.
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07:53:57  <Stablean> <V453000> morning
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08:23:18  <Stablean> <BigB> does this game pause with no players ?
08:25:09  <planetmaker> !auto
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08:25:17  <planetmaker> should
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08:45:56  <Stablean> <BigB> do you know how to do the signaling on depot junction
09:04:02  <Stablean> <BigB> bam income
09:15:22  <Stablean> <BigB> lol. lots of trains were doing useless things
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10:26:54  <Stablean> <Thornfoot> WASSUP MAN
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10:27:34  <Stablean> <BigB> ignoring him ?
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10:29:42  <Stablean> <BigB> i could make the most money :P
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10:47:18  <Stablean> <BigB> bam
10:47:20  <Stablean> <BigB> less trains
10:47:22  <Stablean> <BigB> more profit
10:53:30  <Stablean> <BigB> wat just happend ther e?
10:54:26  <Stablean> <BigB> did you just unjam your network ?
10:54:55  <Stablean> <Andy> yes
10:55:24  <Stablean> <Andy> upgraded all cargo trains to max, and had  the station blocked waiting for FL
10:55:34  <Stablean> <BigB> k
10:55:43  <Stablean> <BigB> i did something similair
10:55:57  <Stablean> <Andy> and went to bed in the mean time, don't know how long it was jammed for
10:56:07  <Stablean> <BigB> long
10:56:27  <Stablean> <Andy> It's those double decker container trains, they take loads
10:57:12  <Stablean> <BigB> i see
11:01:32  <Stablean> <Andy> Oops, my steel mill closed down in the meantime ;)
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11:56:36  <Stablean> <BigB> lol
11:56:44  <Stablean> <BigB> 0 prodcution forrest
12:10:18  <Stablean> <BigB> i love those double container things
12:10:24  <Stablean> <BigB> they look awesome
12:10:44  <Stablean> <Andy> I am getting 600 crates per train
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12:26:43  <Stablean> <Andy> red has a bit of a jam
12:26:54  <Stablean> <BigB> red isnt online
12:27:05  <Stablean> <BigB> that jam has been there for days
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13:07:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> hi all
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13:09:14  <V453000> hi
13:11:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> nice and jammy map overall?
13:15:48  <Stablean> <Andy> here is a bit of a jam in the white network
13:16:00  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah, a tiny jam.
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13:36:25  <Stablean> <Andy> Coal wagons for an iron ore pick up
13:36:27  <Stablean> <Andy> oops
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14:23:26  <Stablean> <BigB> lol
14:28:17  <Stablean> <BigB> lol
14:28:20  <Stablean> <BigB> major jam
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16:22:05  <Stablean> <A.K> hey again
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18:56:18  <Stablean> <BigB> unjamming this shit :P
18:56:40  <Stablean> <Mazur> Same here.
19:00:30  <Stablean> <BigB> lol my main sawmill shut down
19:00:47  <Stablean> <Mazur> Fund a new one, easy.
19:00:55  <Stablean> <Mazur> Had to do the same.
19:01:07  <Stablean> <Andy> you also had coal trucks trying to pick up iron ore
19:01:16  <Stablean> <BigB> there was coal there
19:01:22  <Stablean> <BigB> see the name
19:01:32  <Stablean> <BigB> of the station
19:01:42  <Stablean> <Andy> yes, but they look like iron ore mines
19:01:52  <Stablean> <BigB> it cleosed
19:02:09  <Stablean> <Andy> I had my factory close down while I was away as well
19:02:33  <Stablean> <Mazur> That's more of a fucktory, then.
19:02:49  <Stablean> <Mazur> Mazur!  Language!!
19:03:03  <Stablean> <Andy> My goods trains blocked up system, and it closed
19:04:39  <Stablean> <Mazur> Anyone know, why no iron ore mine appears when I prospect one?  Only the first of six worked.
19:04:49  <Stablean> <BigB> its random
19:05:23  <Stablean> <Mazur> Surely at least _one_ should appear?
19:05:30  <Stablean> <Mazur> Or not?
19:06:07  <Stablean> <Andy> one has
19:06:11  <Stablean> <Mazur> The one that did appear, on hte first attempt, was unreachable to me.
19:06:17  <Stablean> <Mazur> Is.
19:06:59  <Stablean> <Andy> One just appeared at Harnway
19:07:18  <Stablean> <Andy> If you don't want it,
19:07:26  <Stablean> <Andy> I'll take it
19:07:51  <Stablean> <Andy> one also at great brintford
19:08:24  <Stablean> <Mazur> Yes, I'm chosing one now.
19:13:54  <Stablean> <Mazur> And loading iron ore.
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19:50:18  <Stablean> <BigB> getting this thing back on the rails
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20:14:11  <Stablean> <BigB> anyway to replace cabooses with the proper car ?
20:14:29  <Stablean> <chester> replace option
20:14:39  <Stablean> <BigB> that replaces them to the same
20:14:45  <Stablean> <BigB> but i have different types of trains
20:15:35  <Stablean> <chester> ifaik you can choose what it will be replaced to
20:15:59  <Stablean> <BigB> yes, but i want it to be replaced to someting that fits the train
20:16:30  <Stablean> <chester> select anything u want with wagon removal on
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20:17:25  <Stablean> <chester> i said select one u want with wagon removal set to on
20:17:40  <Stablean> <chester> it should fit
20:17:50  <Stablean> <chester> or not
20:18:10  <Stablean> <chester> anyway train will not exceed its current length
20:18:15  <Stablean> <BigB> so coal trains get coal cars
20:18:30  <Stablean> <BigB> and grain trains grain cars :P
20:18:40  <Stablean> <chester> u may even change wagon type
20:19:03  <Stablean> <chester> so before sending them to replacing
20:19:15  <Stablean> <chester> you should filter them by type
20:19:25  <Stablean> <chester> here groups come
20:19:35  <Stablean> <chester> group all trains by tipe
20:19:36  <Stablean> <BigB> a groups :P
20:22:03  <Stablean> <chester> as you use shared orders, thereis an option like 'move shared trains'
20:22:33  <Stablean> <chester> you move 1 train then select to move all shared also
20:23:39  <Stablean> <BigB> nvm then :P
20:23:46  <Stablean> <BigB> just replace them when it comes to mind
20:23:52  <Stablean> <chester> let me join i'll group them
20:23:58  <Stablean> <BigB> sure
20:24:01  <Stablean> <BigB> pw is 331665
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20:24:16  <Stablean> <BigB> its a mess atm
20:24:28  <Stablean> <BigB> i accedenty started all trains
20:24:41  <Stablean> <BigB> including the ones that went to depot for scrapping
20:31:37  <Stablean> <BigB> nopde
20:39:08  <Stablean> <BigB> like my railways ?
20:40:17  <Stablean> <BigB> not mine :P
20:47:50  <Stablean> <BigB> it can just handle the amount of trains running on it
20:48:28  <Stablean> <BigB> that minor thing :P
20:50:17  <Stablean> <BigB> not sure how to fix that
20:50:23  <Stablean> <BigB> other than double lines
20:52:59  <Stablean> <BigB> its bottlenecking on a uphill piece
20:54:36  <Stablean> <BigB> lol
20:54:50  <Stablean> <BigB> merging downhill
20:54:55  <Stablean> <BigB> see it works
20:55:25  <Stablean> <BigB> not problems at all
20:55:39  <Stablean> <BigB> check has no jam anymore
20:57:58  <Stablean> <BigB> now the otherline is jamming :P
20:58:26  <Stablean> <BigB> lol
20:58:36  <Stablean> <BigB> details
21:01:15  <Stablean> <BigB> just to much iron ore trains
21:01:29  <Stablean> <BigB> those mines used to produce 500+/month
21:08:17  <Stablean> <BigB> that should fix it
21:10:04  <Stablean> <BigB> the junction lines
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21:15:40  <Stablean> <BigB> its at maximum capacity indeed
21:15:50  <Stablean> <BigB> a slight hiccup causes this kind of jams
21:21:06  <Stablean> <BigB> better this way ?
21:23:51  <Stablean> <BigB> i should add waiting bays to every station in hte main hub
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21:24:20  <Stablean> <Liuk /Sk/> hi
21:24:23  <Stablean> <BigB> ehya
21:24:26  <Stablean> <chester> hi
21:26:06  <Stablean> <BigB> wich should get prio at the coal station
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21:26:26  <Stablean> <BigB> sign
21:28:40  <Stablean> <BigB> wekk this works
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21:46:34  <Stablean> <BigB> tl=3
21:46:42  <Stablean> <BigB> with some longer ones
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22:35:57  <Stablean> <BigB> omg
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