Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 5th January 2012:
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00:06:43  <Stablean> <Max> hey big meech u there?
00:14:25  <Stablean> <Max> can someone join my company and help?
00:14:47  <Stablean> <Mark> whats wrong?
00:15:05  <Stablean> <Max> im losing money super fast
00:15:11  <Stablean> <Max> and my company value went form
00:15:13  <Stablean> <Max> from*
00:15:19  <Stablean> <Mark> you need to make longer routes
00:15:19  <Stablean> <Max> 30k to 6k :(
00:15:21  <Stablean> <Max> and falling
00:15:35  <Stablean> <Max> oh ok
00:18:47  <Stablean> <Max> is that good?
00:19:05  <Stablean> <Mark> better, yeah
00:19:09  <Stablean> <Mark> the longer the better
00:19:15  <Stablean> <Mark> up to a certain degree
00:21:38  <Stablean> <Max> why is it that the longer the route the better?
00:22:00  <Stablean> <Mark> cause you make more profit
00:22:06  <Stablean> <Max> how come??
00:22:16  <Stablean> <Max> if its closer then its faster
00:22:27  <Stablean> *** Mark has left the game (connection lost)
00:22:29  <Stablean> *** Mazur has left the game (connection lost)
00:22:48  <Mark> hm?
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00:25:28  <Stablean> *** Justech has started a new company (#4)
00:25:32  <Stablean> <Max> justechhh
00:25:34  <Stablean> <Max> hey
00:25:36  <Stablean> <Max> :D
00:25:47  <Stablean> <Justech> hey
00:25:52  <Stablean> <Max> do u like the company i made
00:26:02  <Stablean> <Max> its not too good but its getting there
00:26:52  <Stablean> <Max> oh and justech can u help me a little?
00:27:00  <Stablean> <Max> my company value isnt rising
00:27:31  <Stablean> <Justech> it wont when u have a huge loan
00:27:37  <Stablean> <Max> oh
00:27:43  <Stablean> <Max> well  i cant repay
00:27:49  <Stablean> <Max> only have 3 thousand lol
00:27:51  <Stablean> <Mark> its not too important
00:27:54  <Stablean> <Mark> start making some money first
00:28:00  <Stablean> <Max> i get more money if i do
00:28:10  <Stablean> <Max> im trying but money is going dowwnnnnnn
00:28:32  <Stablean> <Max> because i have a 300000$ loan
00:28:42  <Stablean> <Max> and the loan interest is ruining it
00:30:17  <Stablean> <Max> 50$ left..
00:30:23  <Stablean> <Max> im  in negative
00:31:31  <Stablean> <Max> i suck -.-
00:31:41  <Stablean> <Justech> just takes pratice
00:31:41  <Stablean> <Max> wish big meech was here
00:31:59  <Stablean> <Max> i know i am but its just im not good in this kinf of stuff
00:32:09  <Stablean> <Max> kind*
00:32:31  <Stablean> <Max> can someone give me 10,000?
00:32:37  <Stablean> <Max> so i can clear this railroad
00:32:43  <Stablean> <Max> im in negatives so i cant
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00:34:17  <Stablean> <Justech> a lot of times its finding the perfect starting line that makes or breaks a co.
00:34:35  <Stablean> <Max> i think i have a preatty good one im not sure...
00:36:31  <Stablean> <Max> see :(
00:36:57  <Stablean> <Justech> u have too many trains for current production
00:37:06  <Stablean> <Max> where
00:37:25  <Stablean> <Max> which one should i delete?
00:37:31  <Stablean> <Justech> delete two of them
00:37:37  <Stablean> <Max> ok
00:37:53  <Stablean> <Max> gota get to depot one sec
00:38:16  <Stablean> <Justech> dont delete trai n3
00:38:19  <Stablean> <Mazur> That's not what his problem is.
00:38:23  <Stablean> <Justech> delete the other two
00:38:25  <Stablean> <Max> k
00:38:39  <Stablean> <Justech> its one of his issues
00:38:45  <Stablean> <Mazur> His problem is too shot trains, so too many engine.
00:39:11  <Stablean> <Mazur> And using three tile platformd for two tile trains.
00:39:19  <Stablean> <Max> ok 1 train left now what?
00:39:45  <Stablean> <Max> delete one part of track?
00:39:51  <Stablean> <Max> the like left or right side?
00:39:54  <Stablean> <Justech> increase the number of cars on the train to match the 3 tile station
00:40:02  <Stablean> <Max> ok
00:40:07  <Stablean> <Max> to how many?
00:40:14  <Stablean> <Max> i dont know how much 3 tile can hold
00:41:22  <Stablean> <Max> how much does a 3 tile hold?
00:41:32  <Stablean> <Mazur> When a train is in a depot, on the far right is a little nunber, that is the tile lemgth of the consist.
00:41:42  <Stablean> <Mazur> It now says 1.9
00:41:45  <Stablean> <Max> 1.9?
00:41:48  <Stablean> <Max> ok
00:41:58  <Stablean> <Max> there
00:42:17  <Stablean> <Max> there we go thanks guys :)
00:42:28  <Stablean> <Mazur> Try if you can clone that one.
00:42:34  <Stablean> <Max> alright
00:42:40  <Stablean> <Max> nope
00:42:46  <Stablean> <Max> 11k needed
00:43:05  <Stablean> <Mazur> Then hope you make it with the single train.
00:43:19  <Stablean> <Max> i have another track will that one do?
00:43:55  <Stablean> <Mazur> No, you need two tracks to runa a double, anyway.
00:44:01  <Stablean> <Max> ok
00:44:09  <Stablean> <Max> no i mean i have1 more station
00:44:15  <Stablean> <Max> on the right
00:44:21  <Stablean> <Max> going from the steel mill to the factory
00:44:40  <Stablean> <Mazur> Deleting that will not make money, but cost, if only a little.
00:44:55  <Stablean> <Max> so will it help if i delete or not?
00:45:09  <Stablean> <Mazur> Your next move should be a second train on that track.
00:45:12  <Stablean> <Mazur> It will not help.
00:45:26  <Stablean> <Max> alright thanks
00:45:28  <Stablean> <Mazur> You should not have sold that third train.
00:45:42  <Stablean> <Mazur> Buying it again will take time.
00:45:52  <Stablean> <Max> k
00:45:58  <Stablean> <Mazur> If you make it at all.
00:46:00  <Stablean> <Max> im making some money
00:46:19  <Stablean> <Max> i dont think the whole train is getting filled up
00:46:26  <Stablean> <Mazur> Hardly, you sold 75k in trains and are only 63k up.
00:46:28  <Stablean> <Max> cuz the wagons look different
00:46:46  <Stablean> <Justech> u have to refit them
00:46:54  <Stablean> <Max> i thought they already were...
00:46:56  <Stablean> <Mazur> Ah yes, send it past the depot and refit.
00:46:58  <Stablean> <Max> oh well i will
00:47:29  <Stablean> <Justech> nice cargo tram mark
00:47:32  <Stablean> <Mark> :)
00:47:47  <Stablean> <Mark> heqs is awesome
00:48:01  <Stablean> <Max> i refited
00:48:35  <Stablean> <Max> the iron mine doesnt have a high production rate...
00:49:05  <Stablean> <Justech> its always key for your first line to usually be oil, coal or wood
00:49:13  <Stablean> <Max> oh
00:49:23  <Stablean> <Max> do i have to chaige my company now?
00:50:37  <Stablean> <Max> u know i think i might um delete the from the steel mill to factory one and make new track with coal or wood or somthing
00:50:45  <Stablean> <Max> the track*
00:51:09  <Stablean> <Justech> u know u dont get that much on rail refunds
00:51:16  <Stablean> <Max> i know but
00:51:23  <Stablean> <Max> im not making money of it at all just wasting
00:51:37  <Stablean> <Max> see i gota wait for the iron ore to come for the steel to go
00:51:40  <Stablean> <Max> so yeh
00:52:06  <Stablean> <Max> and ill sell the train
00:52:16  <Stablean> <Justech> lol i got the production just not enough money for the trains yet XD
00:53:43  <Stablean> <Max> alright so where should i start now a new factory
00:55:29  <Stablean> *** Max has joined spectators
00:55:33  <Stablean> <Max> im making new comapny....
00:55:36  <Stablean> *** Max has started a new company (#5)
00:57:28  <Stablean> <Max> why isnt my old company getting destroyed?
00:57:38  <Stablean> <Mark> ill reset it
00:57:42  <Mark> !companies
00:57:44  <Stablean> <Max> ok thanks
00:57:44  <Stablean> Mark: Company 1 (Red): Mazur Transport
00:57:44  <Stablean> Mark: Company 2 (Blue): Mark Transport
00:57:44  <Stablean> Mark: Company 3 (Green): Max Transport
00:57:45  <Stablean> Mark: Company 4 (Yellow): Justech Transport
00:57:46  <Stablean> Mark: Company 5 (Dark Blue): Unnamed
00:57:48  <Mark> !rcon reset_company 3
00:57:48  <Stablean> Mark: Company deleted.
00:57:54  <Stablean> <Max> ty
00:58:00  <Stablean> <Mazur> It still had a train running.
00:58:10  <Stablean> <Justech> the goverment destroyed your company for you
00:58:16  <Stablean> <Max> ok
00:59:18  <Stablean> *** Mazur has left the game (leaving)
01:01:00  <Stablean> <Max> did i start it out good?
01:01:26  <Stablean> <Justech> better
01:01:36  <Stablean> <Max> ^_^
01:02:51  <Stablean> <Max> so what should i do now just improve this track?
01:03:57  <Stablean> <Max> ahhh so now i understand why long tracks are bettterr
01:04:11  <Stablean> <Justech> more dinero
01:04:17  <Stablean> <Max> dinero?
01:04:25  <Stablean> <Justech> si money
01:04:42  <Stablean> <Max> lol
01:04:44  <Stablean> *** Gonxa has started a new company (#3)
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01:10:17  <Stablean> <Max> ok im back
01:10:36  <Stablean> <Max> what should i  do now?
01:17:34  <Stablean> <Mark> shit inflation's on
01:17:40  <Mark> !rcon set inflation 0
01:17:50  <Stablean> <Mark> changed
01:19:13  <Stablean> <Justech> sometimes its cheaper just to build around the small pond then build a bridge over it
01:21:35  <Stablean> <Justech> brb
01:21:39  <Stablean> <Max> ok
01:25:37  <Stablean> <Max> im going up on the graphs )
01:25:48  <Stablean> <Max> :)*
01:29:56  <Stablean> <Max> guys am i doing good?
01:37:03  <Stablean> <Max> is anyone there?
01:37:13  <Stablean> <Mark> yea
01:37:15  <Stablean> <Max> k
01:37:25  <Stablean> <Max> just checking
01:37:39  <Stablean> <Max> hey mark how did u go up so much last year on the graph??
01:37:57  <Stablean> <Mark> investments starting to pay off ;)
01:38:05  <Stablean> <Max> haha
01:38:15  <Stablean> <Max> im doing much better too :D
01:38:31  <Stablean> <Mark> yeah
01:38:33  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#3)
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01:39:02  <Stablean> <Max> im actually in positive this year
01:39:12  <Stablean> <Max> +11,255
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01:40:05  <Stablean> <Mark> Player: change your name
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01:40:48  <Stablean> <Max> he keeps joining and leaving
01:40:50  <Stablean> <Max> omg
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01:42:58  <Stablean> <Max> paying back loan little by little
01:43:09  <Stablean> <Max> 130,000 to go
01:43:11  <Stablean> <Mark> dont worry about your loan early in the game
01:43:17  <Stablean> <Mark> just maximize your profit
01:43:23  <Stablean> <Max> well  i dont know what to do right now
01:43:33  <Stablean> <Mark> connect more stuff, build more trains
01:43:35  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> maximise profits and make ships
01:43:41  <Stablean> <Max> big meech :D
01:43:43  <Stablean> <Max> ur on yay
01:43:51  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> <-- on crack
01:43:59  <Stablean> <Max> who?
01:44:05  <Stablean> <Max> oh
01:44:05  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> <-- me
01:44:07  <Stablean> <Max> lol
01:44:11  <Stablean> <Max> hah
01:44:25  <Stablean> <Max> big meech u wanna join my company?
01:44:35  <Stablean> <Mark> crackhead inc
01:44:38  <Stablean> <Max> lol ikr
01:44:41  <Stablean> <Max> haha
01:44:57  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> nah, I need to make Crackhead Inc.
01:45:03  <Stablean> <Max> k
01:48:29  <Stablean> <Max> how do u get production to go up?
01:48:36  <Stablean> <Mark> service your industry well
01:48:42  <Stablean> <Max> cuz mine went down
01:48:45  <Stablean> <Max> ok
01:48:47  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> you give justech 1,000,000 dollars and it will go up ;)
01:48:53  <Stablean> <Max> what no way lol
01:49:00  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> fer realz
01:49:18  <Stablean> <Max> dude where am i supposed to get that money?
01:49:28  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> rob a valuables train
01:49:42  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> there should be an embezzlement feature in this game
01:50:03  <Stablean> <Max> embezzlement?
01:51:03  <Stablean> <Max> how do i service my industry well?
01:51:06  <Stablean> <Max> lol
01:51:16  <Stablean> <Mark> have a train loading at any time
02:01:09  <Stablean> <Justech> back
02:03:47  <Stablean> <Max> what are waypoints for?
02:04:01  <Stablean> <Mark> guiding trains
02:04:07  <Stablean> <Mark> you usually dont really need them
02:04:10  <Stablean> <Max> ok
02:04:24  <Stablean> <Justech> for example if you have 1 station but want to route your raw and goods trains to seperate parts, they are good for that
02:04:31  <Stablean> <Max> oooh ok
02:04:45  <Stablean> <Mark> the better way to do that is to build 2 stations
02:04:55  <Stablean> <Max> kk
02:05:03  <Stablean> <Justech> sometimes u dont have room
02:05:09  <Stablean> <Max> yeh
02:05:23  <Stablean> <Mark> shit its 3am
02:05:29  <Stablean> <Max> only 9 here lol
02:05:40  <Stablean> <Justech> 6PM here
02:07:02  <Stablean> <Justech> idk how but this game is so addicting XD
02:07:20  <Stablean> <Mark> yeah
02:07:26  <Stablean> <Mark> it has been for about 8 years now
02:08:41  <Stablean> <Mark> alright im off
02:08:43  <Stablean> <Mark> cya later
02:08:45  <Stablean> <Justech> cya
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02:10:01  <Stablean> <Max> world wide choppers XD
02:10:27  <Stablean> <Justech> u guys all have M*** transports
02:10:37  <Stablean> <Max> M***?
02:10:47  <Stablean> <Justech> Max, Mark Maur
02:11:10  <Stablean> <Max> jasper me nad u are equal lol
02:11:22  <Stablean> <Max> i mean justech sry
02:11:31  <Stablean> <Max> jasper is from this thing i was watching
02:13:02  <Stablean> <Justech> lol Mark abuses the station trick
02:13:08  <Stablean> <Max> whats that?
02:14:22  <Stablean> <Justech> look how far away his station is from the sawmill
02:24:40  <Stablean> <Max> ok guys i gota go sleep
02:24:44  <Stablean> <Justech> k cya
02:24:54  <Stablean> <Max> is a new world starting tommorow?
02:25:02  <Stablean> <Justech> prob. not
02:25:09  <Stablean> <Max> :D yay i like what i mdoing
02:25:11  <Stablean> <Max> so yeh
02:29:38  <Stablean> *** Max has left the game (leaving)
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02:34:30  <Stablean> <Cameron> finally
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02:45:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> 'ey all
02:46:08  <Stablean> <Justech> hey
02:46:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> holy crap... a new map that's not by me...
02:46:50  <Stablean> <Justech> how many tiles is consider station abuse?
02:47:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> "anything that doesn't look natural"
02:47:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> go chew on that
02:47:34  <Stablean> <Justech> i placed a sign
02:48:02  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'd shut my eyes on that
02:48:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's worth when it's done at primaries
02:48:27  <Stablean> <Justech> so magically teleporting 15 tiles is ok?
02:48:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> not really okay
02:49:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's a secondary industry/station with some form of main station-ish construct... I'd lax the rule a bit there
02:49:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> although, that overflow construct is kinda fail
02:50:05  <Stablean> <Sylf> er... not just kinda...
02:50:07  <Stablean> <Justech> but the station dropping off the raw is even farther aaway
02:50:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> I haven't seen the raw
02:50:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh, raw dropping
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02:51:02  <Sylf> It's still a part of a main station
02:51:31  <Sylf> If I'm banned from that kind of construct at a main station, I might as well ban myself permanently
02:52:06  <Stablean> <Justech> wasnt thinking of a ban, but a slap on wrist?
02:53:25  <Sylf> If you build a point-to-point servirce with both ends like that, that's a pretty big advantage taking
02:53:36  <Sylf> that area is kinda tight spot build on
02:53:49  <Sylf> the way the player built is a pretty smart way
02:53:54  <Sylf> I don't see any problem
02:54:42  <Sylf> Build enough eyecandy around the area, and nobody will ask any question about it.
02:55:19  <Sylf> It doesn't look to me like the construct is really "taking advantage" of the station spead of the game
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02:57:41  <Stablean> <Henri_FI> hi
02:57:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> Hi Henri
02:57:50  <Stablean> <Justech> hey
02:58:00  <Stablean> *** Henri_FI has changed his/her name to Niko
02:58:20  <Stablean> <Niko> It's me, I installed the game on my friends computer
02:59:50  <Stablean> <Niko> we met in a model railway club when we were about 13-14 yrs
03:06:08  <Stablean> *** Niko has started a new company (#3)
03:12:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> Hey Justech, just a FYI...  all those oil wells will die eventually.
03:12:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> so plan ahead.
03:12:49  <Stablean> <Justech> how do you know they will all die?
03:13:12  <Stablean> <Sylf> By default, all oil wells in temperate climate will die
03:13:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> there are NewGRF that will reverse that effect, but none of those are loaded in this game
03:14:32  <Stablean> <Justech> iam transporting Iron ore also
03:15:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah.  Just, don't let those oil trains block the rest of the network when those wells die
03:15:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> Like, I doen't see any wells around CHanbridge Heights anymore.
03:15:49  <Stablean> <Justech> do the industrial actually help with loading times?
03:15:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> You can Probably optimize that area because of that
03:16:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> "industrial"?
03:16:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> If you mean, the type of the station graphics, then no.
03:16:33  <Stablean> <Justech> the "Industrial Stations"
03:16:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> Any station tiles are built equally
03:17:19  <Stablean> <Justech> dang your right the oil wells dry up fast
03:17:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's the default behavior of the temperate climate oil wells
03:17:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> remember that for the next game
03:27:22  <Stablean> <Justech> what was that tree GRF we had last game?
03:27:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> Test
03:27:51  <Stablean> <Justech> it was awesome
03:27:54  <Mazur> It's Marks map.  We had a bit of trouble at the start, it wasn;t ptofitable to run a train line.
03:28:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> the map started in 1920 with UKRS.  I know how that goes.
03:28:23  <Stablean> <Justech> ya running costs a year on the "cheap" engines was 50k per year
03:28:41  <Stablean> <Justech> expensive ones were 700k
03:28:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> running costs really doesn't matter.
03:28:49  <Mazur> And inflation on.
03:28:56  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh dang.
03:29:08  <Stablean> <Justech> so a train that has 700,000 running costs a year can make a profit?
03:29:22  <Mazur> Plus foundations counted as terraforming, so +24k per tile.
03:29:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> hahaha, Mark
03:29:48  <Stablean> <Justech> and trains could do 90 degree turns
03:30:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's something that should have been fixed with !setdef
03:30:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> And I saw Mazur running !setdef
03:30:30  <Mazur> I did, and !auto.
03:30:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> Did !setdef fail us?
03:30:44  <Mazur> Nope.
03:30:49  <Mazur> Mark had forgotten to do it.
03:31:00  <Stablean> <Sylf> ah.
03:31:26  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> its my fault
03:31:43  <Mazur> So I ran it when someone mentioned it.  And then I got to study on basecosts ad how to change them.
03:31:56  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> O_o
03:31:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> :P
03:32:01  <Stablean> <Justech> ships are still viable
03:32:07  <Stablean> <Big_Meech>  I didnt adjust the phase variance :S
03:32:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> Give Mark same slack
03:32:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok, maybe the default values are different than normal...
03:32:57  <Stablean> <Justech> i think the map is great
03:33:01  <Stablean> <Sylf> Time to learn and adapt
03:33:49  <Stablean> <Sylf> It's the punishment for the players in general not being able to wait for me to come home before building a new map :P
03:33:59  <Mazur> Yep.
03:34:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> That also is in parallel with not keeping the Public Server busy enough to entertain the members
03:35:59  <Mazur> I'm not here for that.
03:36:08  <Mazur> I'm here to train my skills.
03:36:36  <Mazur> Or rather, to start getting some skills.
03:36:41  <Mazur> :-)
03:38:09  <Stablean> <Justech> i kinda like the lack of forests easier to see things
03:38:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> I have trees disabled by default semi pemanently
03:38:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> That doesn't bother me at all.........
03:38:56  <Stablean> <Sylf> Call me weird
03:39:06  <Stablean> <Justech> wait how?
03:39:12  <Stablean> <Sylf> But you can set the same setting too, by hitting ctrl-x
03:39:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> and ctrl-click on the second button
03:39:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> you should see a pad-lock on the trees button
03:39:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> after that, the visibility setting of the trees are pretty much permanent
03:40:01  <Stablean> <Justech> o i know how to do that, I thought there was an option somewhere or something
03:40:44  <Stablean> <Justech> o a forklift
03:44:50  <Stablean> * Sylf is too drunk to build with any sign of intelligence tonight
03:44:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> damn
03:44:59  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha
03:45:06  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> * throws chaser
03:45:09  <Stablean> <Niko> :D
03:46:27  <Stablean> *** Sylf has started a new company (#6)
03:46:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh what the hell
03:48:15  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh jeez, this is ukrs2
03:50:21  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> thats a large train Sylf
03:50:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> wootelicious money maker
03:50:46  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha
03:50:56  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> usually girls shake their money maker for me :D
03:51:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> damn
03:51:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm in a wrong profession
03:51:59  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha
03:56:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> nom nom nom....  yummy hot coco
03:57:06  <Stablean> <Sylf> with some homemade marshmarrows by my daughter
03:57:17  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> lucky you
03:57:35  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> i usually gotta go dig dinner out from the mcdonalds dumpster
03:58:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> these are so old, they're crispy
03:58:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> but it doesn't matter in the hot coco
04:04:36  <Stablean> <Justech> yep. most of my oil wells have dried up
04:05:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> put your plan B in motion with Bendston East
04:05:22  <Stablean> <Justech> do you think i get more money for my rails then when i laid them?
04:05:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
04:05:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> trains devalue over age
04:06:01  <Stablean> <Sylf> and rail removal only give you minimal money
04:06:03  <Stablean> <Justech> iam talking about the rails
04:06:41  <Stablean> <Sylf> my bad... I always talk in big pictures :P
04:07:23  <Stablean> <Justech> i know the trains, but if i lay rails 20 years ago and inflation when i go to dlete them do i get more money then when i laid them
04:07:49  <Stablean> <Sylf> I have no ideo.
04:07:51  <Stablean> <Sylf> idea*
04:07:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> I never play with inflation anymore
04:08:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> and when I played with inflations, I didn't know shit from diamonds
04:19:23  <Stablean> <Justech> do farms ever increase there production over time?
04:19:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> yes, totally.
04:20:15  <Stablean> <Sylf> and that's without any exception in all climates
04:20:42  <Stablean> <Justech> it seems harder to detect unlike mines and wells
04:21:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> farms are harder to start a company with
04:21:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> just because of the cost of clearing the farmland
04:21:56  <Stablean> <Justech> yes
04:21:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> but otherwise, they're very profitable
04:22:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> because they produce two cargo types in temperate and arctic
04:22:27  <Stablean> <Justech> whats your take, better to have mix grain/livestock trains or 1 grain 1 livestock train
04:22:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> Have 2 separate stations
04:22:49  <Stablean> <Sylf> grains station and livestock station
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05:02:49  <Stablean> <Justech> my steel trains make as much as my goods trains
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05:11:31  <Stablean> <Justech> lol all the industries i started my company with are gone XD oil wells and the refinery
05:11:42  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> sounds like a problem tech
05:12:08  <Stablean> <Justech> naw i expanded enough
05:12:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> what did I tell ya about 'em wells
05:18:26  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> are boats still bad for your company ?
05:18:29  <Stablean> <Justech> no
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05:19:13  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> whoa, neat ships
05:19:27  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> did they redo the wayfinder ?
05:19:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> we have a skipper in da house?
05:19:37  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> ahoy matey
05:20:08  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> Im the captain
05:24:27  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> did they improve the wayfinder?
05:25:06  <Stablean> <Sylf> I dont think so
05:25:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> the ship path finder is still set to original here
05:25:23  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> so whats up with the cheap ships then ?
05:25:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> A member who's been gone for over a year made this map
05:25:53  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> oh, Chris ?
05:25:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> Mark
05:26:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> Chris isn't a member
05:26:13  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> cool
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05:44:09  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> player please change your name :)
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05:45:02  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha sylf, are you ok ?
05:45:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> nou
05:46:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> whoa
05:46:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> the cost of clearing water is cheap
05:47:05  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> lol really ?
05:47:11  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> not like 8m ?
05:47:17  <Stablean> <Justech> yes only like 17k
05:47:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> make it 8k
05:47:21  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha
05:47:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> 8k GBP
05:47:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok, mayby k
05:47:39  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> about 18K usd
05:47:41  <Stablean> <Justech> i play in USD
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05:48:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> hi
05:50:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> I think this is all I'm gonna build tonight
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05:50:21  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> have a good one if youre leaving :)
05:50:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'll fix this one tight corner first
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05:53:30  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha the boats sink as their loaded
05:53:40  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> i mean they are loaded they're xD
05:53:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> :o
05:53:56  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> unloads quick too
05:55:03  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmm, teraforming is so much cheaper than normal
05:55:11  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha
05:55:17  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> most people wouldnt complain
05:55:43  <Stablean> <Justech> ya bridges dont cost 7m over water
05:56:09  <Stablean> <Sylf> dayam
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05:59:10  <Sylf> awright, that's it
05:59:19  <Justech> cya Sylf
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05:59:52  <Stablean> <Niko> I'm going as well, cu
05:59:58  <Stablean> <Justech> cya
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06:05:05  <Stablean> <Justech> these cargo trams are awesome
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10:27:53  <kuch3n> !date
10:27:53  <Stablean> kuch3n: 24 Nov 1962
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10:43:52  <Stablean> <Timmaexx> Hello
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11:33:07  <Mark> morning
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11:35:09  <Stablean> <Mark> how do serviced industries die...?
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12:18:55  <Stablean> <Mazur> Mark, that is a new feature of oil wells, especially in temperate climate they have a finite yield, and you need another NewGRF to make them infinite again.
12:19:03  <Stablean> <Mark> :/
12:19:06  <Stablean> <Mark> what about oil rigs?
12:19:16  <Stablean> <Mazur> Same thing.
12:19:19  <Stablean> <Mark> ...
12:19:21  <Stablean> <Mazur> I think.
12:19:31  <Stablean> <Mark> thats stupid
12:19:57  <Stablean> <Mazur> Oddly enough, whoever did that left coal mines, a similar thing, alone.
12:20:11  <Stablean> <Mark> iron ore's similair too
12:20:21  <Stablean> <Mazur> True.
12:20:33  <Stablean> <Mark> gold, in arctic and tropical..
12:21:00  <Stablean> <Mark> ive just built a network on oil rigs :/
12:21:32  <Stablean> <Mazur> A kick in hte groin, innit?
12:21:46  <Stablean> <Mark> i just dont see the added gameplay or realism value tbh
12:22:41  <Stablean> <Mazur> Few games ago, I made the same error, and might have survived with a loan from Sylf, when one of the newbies bought my company.
12:22:51  <Stablean> <Mark> :/
12:23:14  <Stablean> <Mazur> You, at least, have capital.
12:23:24  <Stablean> <Mark> i wont go bankrupt.. i was just enjoying myself with these ship transfers :P
12:28:23  <Stablean> <Mazur> Well think of it this way: Next map you make, you'll not forget to make hte oil last.  ;-)
12:28:35  <Stablean> <Mark> :P
12:30:37  <Stablean> <Mark> oil rigs popping up all over the place
12:34:36  <Stablean> <Mark> woops
12:34:58  <Stablean> <Mazur> That's not da sound of da Police.
12:35:40  <Stablean> <Mark> HYDROFOIL
12:35:42  <Stablean> <Mark> thats awesome
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12:49:02  <Stablean> <finn> wheres hte turltle company gone
12:49:34  <Stablean> <Mark> dunno
12:49:52  <Stablean> <finn> hi mark remmber me
12:49:56  <Stablean> <Mark> yea
12:50:10  <Stablean> <finn> from yesterday
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13:00:27  <Stablean> <Mark> oh yea? :P
13:01:02  <Stablean> <StarLite> omg, this map is full :P
13:03:44  <Stablean> <StarLite> mark, your oil ships are ftted for coal
13:04:02  <Stablean> <Mark> that explains it
13:04:18  <Stablean> <StarLite> well, 2 of em at least
13:04:28  <Stablean> <Mark> yeah i was just looking at them :P
13:04:47  <Stablean> <Mark> there
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13:06:18  <Stablean> <Mark> brb
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13:14:46  <Stablean> <Zack> hi everyone
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13:58:40  <Stablean> <[HUN]Peter1986> hi
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14:10:02  <Mark> !rcon set max_ships 20
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14:32:35  <Stablean> <Ragnaros> hi
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14:42:35  <Stablean> <kuch3n> hi
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15:31:34  <Mazur> !setdef
15:31:34  <Stablean> *** Mazur has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
15:31:47  <Stablean> <finn> can i join  mark transport
15:32:58  <Stablean> <Mazur> Not without his express permission.
15:33:29  <Stablean> <finn>  what do you mean
15:33:52  <Mazur> Not without Mark himself saying you can.
15:34:11  <Stablean> <finn> where is he
15:35:02  <Stablean> <Mazur> Not here, obviously.
15:38:21  <Stablean> <finn> were is mark
15:40:23  <Stablean> <finn>  this server yester day had magliv
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15:49:39  <Stablean> <Mazur> Finn, stealing is not allowed, if another player loads from an industry, you are not allowed to.
15:50:09  <Mazur> Oh, he's gone.
15:50:28  <Mazur> !rcon reset_company 10
15:50:29  <Stablean> Mazur: Company deleted.
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17:37:46  <Stablean> <Zack> ok it is too laggy for me
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18:11:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi all
18:12:03  <Stablean> <Justech> hey
18:13:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Justech: do you know about corner speeds for trains?
18:14:01  <Stablean> <Justech> yes
18:14:31  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> then why do you build so many slow corners?
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19:47:51  <kuch3n> !date
19:47:51  <Stablean> kuch3n: 17 Apr 1998
19:59:10  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Nice game
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20:33:11  <Stablean> <KJ> hi
20:33:14  <Stablean> <Justech> hey
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20:41:34  <Stablean> <Justech> hey chester
20:41:40  <Stablean> <chester> hi
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20:42:48  <Stablean> <Justech> ZS your trains are stuck
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20:52:48  <Stablean> <Max> hi
20:52:48  <Stablean> <Justech> hey max
20:52:50  <Stablean> <KJ> hi
20:53:05  <Stablean> <Max> hey justech
20:53:21  <Stablean> <Justech> u may want to check some of your lines, i think the oil well dried up
20:53:39  <Stablean> <Max> ok so delete oil?
20:53:45  <Stablean> <Justech> yea
20:53:53  <Stablean> <Max> yeh its not there
20:54:00  <Stablean> <Max> and HOLY CRAP I HAVE 2 million bucks
20:54:19  <Stablean> <Justech> u have over 5 mil XD
20:55:42  <Stablean> <Justech> then u should update your fleet
20:55:44  <Stablean> <Max> my train is veryold
20:55:50  <Stablean> <Max> whats fleet
20:56:04  <Stablean> <KJ> boats
20:56:30  <Stablean> <Justech> your locos, freightcar, road vehicles, ships and airplanes
20:56:36  <Stablean> <Max> ok
20:56:39  <Stablean> <KJ> oh :D
20:56:42  <Stablean> <Max> um one quewstion how do i make
20:56:49  <Stablean> <Max> my rail better
20:56:55  <Stablean> <Justech> eletric?
20:57:15  <Stablean> <Max> no this one right here so the trains go faster
20:57:25  <Stablean> <Justech> make a sign
20:59:39  <Stablean> <Max> ugh my stuff has very low production right now
20:59:53  <Stablean> <Justech> 171 isnt that low
21:00:07  <Stablean> <Max> except that one
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21:00:51  <Stablean> <V453000> hello
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21:00:59  <Stablean> <KJ> hi
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21:02:23  <Stablean> <Max> justech where should i put my next station?
21:02:30  <Justech> whats the idenitfy command?
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21:02:40  <Stablean> <Max> i dont know
21:02:44  <Stablean> <V453000> just identify
21:02:51  <Stablean> <V453000> go into private chat with the bot
21:02:56  <Guest22783> with the ! before it?
21:02:59  <Stablean> <V453000> with webster?
21:03:09  <Stablean> <V453000> no just write identify in the private chat
21:03:12  <Stablean> <V453000> and it will tell you the rest
21:03:41  <KenjiE20> /msg nickserv help identify
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21:04:12  <Stablean> <Max> justech
21:04:15  <Justech> yes
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21:04:38  <Stablean> <Justech> o i want to show u something about replacing in mass easy
21:05:00  <Stablean> <Max> ok
21:05:02  <Stablean> <Justech> click your locomotive roster. Its the train on the top of your screen
21:05:20  <Stablean> <Max> where?
21:05:28  <Stablean> <Max> in the buttons?
21:05:35  <Stablean> <Justech> the top bar on the top of your screen
21:05:45  <Stablean> <Max> the train looking one?
21:05:46  <Stablean> <Justech> yes
21:05:52  <Stablean> <Max> pl
21:05:52  <Stablean> <Max> ok*
21:05:54  <Stablean> <Max> im ther
21:06:04  <Stablean> <Justech> see where it says manage list
21:06:10  <Stablean> <Max> yep
21:06:24  <Stablean> <Justech> hold down the arrow and click "replace vehicles
21:06:32  <Stablean> <Max> ooooooh kooool
21:06:39  <Stablean> <Max> thats awesome!!!
21:06:54  <Stablean> <Justech> ok see in the bottom left
21:07:00  <Stablean> <Justech> replacing: engines
21:07:06  <Stablean> <Justech> click that
21:07:12  <Stablean> <Justech> it will switch to rollingstock
21:08:14  <Stablean> <Justech> u highlight the car/loco u want to replace on the left with hte new one to replace it on the right
21:08:37  <Stablean> <Justech> make sure that car removal, is set to on
21:08:59  <Stablean> <Max> a;right
21:09:01  <Stablean> <Max> alright*
21:09:07  <Stablean> <Justech> other wise you will get too many cars for your station
21:09:22  <Stablean> <Max> ok
21:09:32  <Stablean> <Justech> then simply click the "Start Replacing Vehicles"
21:09:38  <Stablean> <Max> look at my new station
21:09:40  <Stablean> <Justech> and when they visit a depot they will get replaced
21:09:50  <Stablean> <Max> is it good?
21:10:17  <Stablean> <Justech> yea looks good
21:10:25  <Stablean> <Max> ok
21:10:27  <Stablean> <Max> thnx
21:10:42  <Stablean> <Max> now what?
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21:12:49  <Stablean> <Justech> idk, you might want to work on building a network
21:15:23  <Stablean> <Justech> do you see my signs?
21:19:33  <Stablean> <Max> back
21:19:44  <Stablean> <Max> what do u mean link this?
21:20:02  <Stablean> <Justech> link them all together to go to the same powerplant
21:20:08  <Stablean> <Max> ok
21:20:22  <Stablean> <Justech> i suggested a powerplant
21:23:17  <Stablean> <Justech> do you want me to help?
21:25:11  <Stablean> <Max> hows that?
21:25:53  <Stablean> <Justech> better. But do you see how my stations service many trains from different industries
21:26:11  <Stablean> <Max> yeh
21:26:50  <Stablean> <Justech> and that i can service i high number of trains without too much of a clog
21:26:56  <Stablean> <Max> kool
21:27:15  <Stablean> <Justech> you kinda want to go for that
21:27:45  <Stablean> <Max> link that one too??
21:27:51  <Stablean> <Max> but i like how that one is
21:28:14  <Stablean> <Max> okk
21:28:24  <Stablean> <Justech> its up to you
21:28:35  <Stablean> <Justech> but making networks is what brings in the cash
21:28:40  <Stablean> <Max> ill leave the double one
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21:29:27  <Stablean> <Justech> it also helps when production increases you can keep up with supply
21:32:08  <Stablean> <Justech> you will need to put a signal
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21:33:54  <Stablean> <Max> my train isnt going....
21:34:12  <Stablean> <Justech> yea u need signals
21:34:39  <Stablean> <Justech> can i show u how to build a simple network?
21:34:48  <Stablean> <Max> yes
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21:36:33  <Stablean> <Max> whats that
21:36:41  <Stablean> <Justech> see the signal
21:36:44  <Stablean> <Max> where?
21:36:55  <Stablean> <Justech> the one right next to the depot
21:37:05  <Stablean> <Max> put sign
21:37:19  <Stablean> <Max> oooh
21:37:21  <Stablean> <Max> isee
21:37:24  <Stablean> <Max> waht does that du?
21:37:34  <Stablean> <Justech> it allows for more then 1 train to enter the station
21:37:42  <Stablean> <Max> oh kool
21:38:00  <Stablean> <Max> did u buy 1 more train?
21:38:02  <Stablean> <Justech> see
21:38:04  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Eg one from the depot while another goes for the left track.
21:38:10  <Stablean> <Max> oh k
21:38:24  <Stablean> <Max> the production isnt high enough for that
21:38:32  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Or you could have one enter while the other exit as long as their paths don't cross.
21:38:40  <Stablean> <Max> k
21:38:50  <Stablean> <Max> cuz see it went down to 168
21:39:06  <Stablean> <Max> watching
21:39:24  <Stablean> <Max> wow
21:39:31  <Stablean> <Max> whats that??
21:39:38  <Stablean> <Max> electric?
21:40:08  <Stablean> <Max> just in time
21:40:29  <Stablean> <Justech> see what idid there?
21:40:43  <Stablean> <Max> yes
21:40:53  <Stablean> <Max> areu gonna lead it to the station?
21:41:33  <Stablean> <Max> justech can u help me make another factory?
21:42:40  <Stablean> <Max> and can u make my stations look kool like u do to yours?
21:43:02  <Stablean> <Justech> ok do you see whats happening?
21:43:08  <Stablean> <Max> yessir
21:44:14  <Stablean> <Justech> k i want you to try
21:44:22  <Stablean> <Max> alright
21:45:08  <Stablean> <Max> im watching
21:45:18  <Stablean> <Max> train 2 is lost
21:45:25  <Stablean> <Justech> lol, i want you to try to make it
21:46:32  <Stablean> <Justech> lol no where i placed the sign
21:46:42  <Stablean> <Justech> try to make that like the ones i made
21:46:56  <Stablean> <Max> like on original rail?
21:48:02  <Stablean> <Justech> got it going the wrong way
21:48:52  <Stablean> <Max> cant make bridge
21:49:30  <Stablean> <Max> oh
21:50:20  <Stablean> <Justech> see coal from the sideline enters the mainline
21:50:24  <Stablean> <Max> yep
21:50:34  <Stablean> <Max> and goes
21:50:37  <Stablean> <Max> to power plant?
21:50:44  <Stablean> <Justech> yes
21:50:44  <Stablean> <Max> ok
21:50:50  <Stablean> <Justech> the powerplant u have your doubleline set up in
21:51:09  <Stablean> <Max> ok
21:52:12  <Stablean> <Justech> see how this is working
21:52:22  <Stablean> <Max> but it doesnt make bridege
21:52:24  <Stablean> <Justech> all your coalmines going to a centrel powerplant
21:52:24  <Stablean> <Max> on mainline
21:52:30  <Stablean> <Max> cuz there is 2 bridges
21:52:36  <Stablean> <Max> we yeh that is true
21:53:15  <Stablean> <Justech> k this is a simple "terminus station"
21:53:21  <Stablean> <Max> terminus?
21:53:37  <Stablean> <Justech> trains go to station stop and turnback and come out the same way they came in
21:53:51  <Stablean> <Max> really but wont they crash?
21:53:51  <Stablean> <Justech> no drive through
21:54:05  <Stablean> <Justech> your doubleline station is terminus
21:54:15  <Stablean> <Justech> simply means not drive through
21:54:21  <Stablean> <Max> oh
21:54:29  <Stablean> <Justech> u see my steel mill station
21:54:32  <Stablean> <Max> where
21:54:44  <Stablean> <Justech> placed a sign
21:54:50  <Stablean> <Justech> thats a drive through
21:55:08  <Stablean> <Max> yeh i see
21:55:38  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Could you adjust your track a bit so I can bridge without raising land?
21:55:56  <Stablean> <KJ> sure
21:56:16  <Stablean> <Max> justech
21:56:19  <Stablean> <Max> can u help me?
21:56:33  <Stablean> <Justech> lol dont build there
21:56:43  <Stablean> <KJ> hmm.. hard to do:P
21:56:46  <Stablean> <Max> will that work lol
21:57:08  <Stablean> <Zuuu> That will work, I can live with just one bridge for now.
21:57:18  <Stablean> <Zuuu> When I get more money I can add another
21:57:25  <Stablean> <KJ> let me delete that small brigde for you :p
21:57:32  <Stablean> <Max> justech
21:57:35  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Thanks
21:57:41  <Stablean> <Max> can u handle my stattion
21:57:45  <Stablean> <Max> ill  be back in 45 mins
21:57:47  <Stablean> <Max> ok?
21:57:53  <Stablean> <Justech> yeah
21:57:59  <Stablean> <Max> ok thnx
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22:37:21  <Stablean> <Max> im back
22:37:28  <Stablean> <KJ> welcome back then ;)
22:37:30  <Stablean> <Justech> wb
22:37:36  <Stablean> <Max> thanks
22:37:54  <Stablean> <Max> i see u made some new stuff
22:37:56  <Stablean> <Max> thanks
22:38:11  <Stablean> <Max> cool u made cool looking stations :D
22:38:33  <Stablean> <Justech> if you scroll down in the stations menu
22:38:35  <Stablean> <Justech> u find them
22:38:38  <Stablean> <Max> ok
22:38:56  <Stablean> <Max> train 5 is lost
22:38:58  <Stablean> <Max> o
22:39:18  <Stablean> <Max> oh nvm
22:39:21  <Stablean> <Justech> u should disable that message
22:39:39  <Stablean> <Max> how?
22:39:57  <Stablean> <Justech> see the newspaper in the top right
22:40:03  <Stablean> <Justech> right next to the speaker
22:40:13  <Stablean> <Max> yes
22:40:19  <Stablean> <Justech> choose messeage settings
22:40:31  <Stablean> <Max> ok
22:40:55  <Stablean> <Max> which one is it?
22:41:14  <Stablean> <Justech> advice/information on company veh
22:41:36  <Stablean> <Max> k
22:41:50  <Stablean> <Max> i wanna keep it tho just in case a train is lost and i dont notice
22:41:52  <Stablean> <Justech> all i have on is Accidents/diasters, company info. and new vech.
22:42:11  <Stablean> <Max> k
22:42:18  <Stablean> <Justech> but you will get that message a lot even if they arnt lost
22:42:29  <Stablean> <Max> i know
22:42:35  <Stablean> <Max> but just in  case
22:43:25  <Stablean> <Max> did u build any other things?
22:43:51  <Stablean> <Justech> besides a complete network that services 5 mines nope not really
22:45:58  <Stablean> <Max> justech what should i do now?
22:46:08  <Stablean> <KJ> RUN AND HIDE!
22:46:10  <Stablean> <Max> o
22:46:12  <Stablean> <Max> why?
22:46:18  <Stablean> <KJ> dunno
22:46:20  <Stablean> <KJ> :D
22:46:20  <Stablean> <Max> oh
22:46:22  <Stablean> <Max> lol
22:46:24  <Stablean> <Max> :P
22:46:28  <Stablean> <KJ> or make me some dinner
22:46:31  <Stablean> <KJ> i'm starving
22:46:33  <Stablean> <Justech> try to find another mine to hook up?
22:46:35  <Stablean> <Max> what no way
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22:46:37  <Stablean> <Max> i just ate some ^_^
22:46:43  <Stablean> <KJ> hmm ^^
22:46:45  <Stablean> <Max> alright
22:49:49  <Stablean> <Justech> let try a different apporoach there
22:50:01  <Stablean> <Max> what do u mean?
22:51:40  <Stablean> <Max> cant get over it -.-
22:51:46  <Stablean> <Max> justech helllppp
22:52:41  <Stablean> <Max> a ship?
22:52:53  <Stablean> <Max> i thought ships are bad in this game
22:52:59  <Stablean> <Justech> not this game
22:53:05  <Stablean> <Justech> usually they are tho
22:53:08  <Stablean> <Max> ok
22:53:23  <Stablean> <Max> are those ships connected??
22:54:10  <Stablean> <Max> where are those ships going btw...
22:54:28  <Stablean> <Justech> look on hte mainland
22:54:38  <Stablean> <Max> ooh found it haha
22:55:01  <Stablean> <Max> not that good of produce rate......
22:55:19  <Stablean> <Justech> the ships hold 1,084 tons
22:55:25  <Stablean> <Max> O_O
22:55:39  <Stablean> <Max> dude we lose 1.5 mill
22:56:14  <Stablean> <Justech> but do you see our income vs regular expenses?
22:56:22  <Stablean> <Max> true that.....
22:57:56  <Stablean> <Max> and its offf
22:58:42  <Stablean> <Justech> 216 is a lot for a mine btw
22:58:48  <Stablean> <Max> really?
22:58:51  <Stablean> <Justech> yes
22:59:01  <Stablean> <Justech> lows are in the 50s
22:59:07  <Stablean> <Max> oh
22:59:41  <Stablean> <Max> omg its soooo slowwww
22:59:53  <Stablean> <KJ> byebye
22:59:59  <Stablean> <Max> bye
23:00:01  <Stablean> <Justech> lol its got a ton of coal
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23:00:07  <Stablean> <Max> truee
23:01:24  <Stablean> <Max> yayy
23:01:34  <Stablean> <Max> nicccceeee
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23:02:14  <Stablean> <V453000> evening
23:02:17  <Stablean> <Max> hi
23:02:21  <Stablean> <Justech> hey good afternoon
23:02:31  <Stablean> <V453000> it is midnight here :)
23:02:39  <Stablean> <Max> 6 here XD
23:02:41  <Stablean> <Justech> 3pm here
23:02:47  <Stablean> <V453000> us?
23:02:49  <Stablean> <Max> us
23:02:52  <Stablean> <Justech> West Coast
23:02:58  <Stablean> <Max> east
23:03:00  <Stablean> <Max> coast
23:03:00  <Stablean> <Max> nc
23:03:06  <Stablean> <V453000> yes yes :p
23:03:16  <Stablean> <V453000> No Coast here
23:03:22  <Stablean> <Max> lol
23:03:36  <Stablean> <Zuuu> None Cost that would be :-)
23:03:46  <Stablean> <V453000> oh hi Zuu :)
23:03:52  <Stablean> <Zuuu> I could possible say South Cost then :-)
23:04:06  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Although technically I'm closer to the west cost.
23:05:40  <Stablean> <Justech> look at that profit
23:05:42  <Stablean> <Max> 261,000 income :P
23:05:48  <Stablean> <Max> i know right hah
23:05:54  <Stablean> <V453000> oh wow Mark built an overflow with a reverser :D ^^
23:06:08  <Stablean> <Justech> umm sure XD
23:06:14  <Stablean> <Max> another one is off
23:06:40  <Stablean> <Justech> i dont even think he knows what i built
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23:08:56  <Stablean> <V453000> dark blue mafia, see New Chuborough bay North
23:09:07  <Stablean> <V453000> made an useful example next to it ;)
23:09:13  <Stablean> <Max> lol
23:09:19  <Stablean> <V453000> try it that way
23:09:42  <Stablean> <V453000> it wont force trains to go through the depot if the station is empty
23:09:52  <Stablean> <V453000> otherwise it works the same
23:10:34  <Stablean> <Max> thanks for helping me justech
23:10:37  <Stablean> <Justech> np
23:10:55  <Stablean> <Max> should we do some other stuff other then coal mines?
23:11:07  <Stablean> <Max> cuz this is as much  as we will do
23:11:11  <Stablean> <Max> with coal mines
23:11:13  <Stablean> <Justech> most of the other industries have been taken
23:11:24  <Stablean> <Max> yeh...
23:11:38  <Stablean> <V453000> omg someone raised costs of prospecting industries I see
23:11:45  <Stablean> <Justech> yes
23:11:51  <Stablean> <Max> what does funding industries mean?
23:11:53  <Stablean> <Justech> its like 100mil
23:12:03  <Stablean> <V453000> funding is placing new industries at chosen spot
23:12:13  <Stablean> <Max> o
23:12:15  <Stablean> <V453000> prospecting is funding a new industry at a random spot
23:12:18  <Stablean> <Max> oh
23:12:32  <Stablean> <Justech> u cant fund raw industries you can only prospect
23:12:34  <Stablean> <V453000> currently funding is only for secondaries, prospecting for primaries
23:12:36  <Stablean> <Max> only have 900 thousand
23:12:38  <Stablean> <Max> lol
23:12:40  <Stablean> <V453000> yes exectly
23:12:42  <Stablean> <Max> not enough
23:12:46  <Stablean> <Max> cool
23:12:52  <Stablean> <Max> u guys ever do it?
23:13:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I normally never raise the costs of that as I think 5M pounds per primary at random position is enough
23:13:20  <Stablean> <Max> there is absolutle no open industry
23:13:30  <Stablean> <Max> wow
23:13:40  <Stablean> <V453000> which is default
23:13:46  <Stablean> <Max> hey justech what are those little spots in the water near out coal mine?
23:13:48  <Stablean> <V453000> now it is 12 times higher ..
23:13:52  <Stablean> <Justech> well if you saw ships are viable this game
23:13:55  <Stablean> <V453000> or 8? idk
23:14:07  <Stablean> <V453000> yes :o
23:14:23  <Stablean> <Justech> what spots?
23:14:33  <Stablean> <Max> in watter
23:14:43  <Stablean> <Max> see those bays bally bay station lakeside annexe brach
23:14:49  <Stablean> <Max> near out ship
23:14:53  <Stablean> <Max> with the heli pad
23:15:00  <Stablean> <V453000> normally oil rigs must be disabled on watery maps, else this oil rig mayhem happens and oil dies out on land :(
23:15:06  <Stablean> <Justech> those are oil derrecks
23:15:16  <Stablean> <Max> what are oil derrecks?
23:15:26  <Stablean> <Justech> oil rigs
23:15:28  <Stablean> <V453000> oil rigs, the things that produce oil in water
23:15:34  <Stablean> <Max> oh
23:15:40  <Stablean> <Max> are they valuable?
23:15:55  <Stablean> <V453000> as normal industries
23:16:05  <Stablean> <V453000> but they usually come in huge numbers
23:16:07  <Stablean> <Max> kool
23:16:13  <Stablean> <V453000> so as you can see they are swarming the map in some places
23:16:21  <Stablean> <Justech> ya my company started out as oil wells but they all dried up
23:16:23  <Stablean> <V453000> which is quite stupid, so I disable those usually
23:16:25  <Stablean> <Max> thats a lot!
23:16:31  <Stablean> <V453000> yes :S
23:16:41  <Stablean> <Max> the guy that owns these is so lucky
23:16:43  <Stablean> <V453000> it is possible to prevent oil wells from dying
23:16:46  <Stablean> <Justech> thts ok i make 19mil a year
23:17:30  <Stablean> <Max> justech ur getting 74 thousand income?
23:17:36  <Stablean> <Max> in one place
23:17:46  <Stablean> <Justech> goods and steel are great business
23:17:52  <Stablean> <Max> really
23:17:52  <Stablean> <Max> ?
23:18:06  <Stablean> <Max> thas why ur company is so valuable
23:18:20  <Stablean> <Justech> i hve 23 iron ore trains feeding hte mill
23:18:26  <Stablean> <Max> O
23:18:28  <Stablean> <Max> nice!
23:18:47  <Stablean> <Justech> i actually iam producing too much steel
23:19:03  <Stablean> <Max> wow were getting more profit then the previous year :D
23:19:16  <Stablean> <Max> i dont think ther is ever too much
23:19:20  <Stablean> <Max> haha
23:19:38  <Stablean> <Justech> yes when i cant keep up with supply
23:19:56  <Stablean> <Max> oh
23:20:10  <Stablean> <Max> justech why is the train going to depot then to the station?
23:20:12  <Stablean> <Max> is it supposed to?
23:20:30  <Stablean> <Justech> its so the train doesnt block hte mainline
23:20:40  <Stablean> <Max> ahhh i get it
23:20:44  <Stablean> <V453000> which station?
23:20:55  <Stablean> <Justech> the one u showed a better solution too
23:21:05  <Stablean> <V453000> try that one :)
23:21:07  <Stablean> <Max> really?
23:21:17  <Stablean> <Max> the coal mine with ships?
23:21:59  <Stablean> <V453000> by the way try to always have at least one train loading at a station, it will help industries to grow on productions
23:22:09  <Stablean> <Max> ok
23:22:28  <Stablean> <Justech> yes thats what ihave been doing
23:22:34  <Stablean> <V453000> magix :p
23:22:56  <Stablean> <V453000> you know about website and stuff?
23:23:02  <Stablean> <Justech> yes
23:23:32  <Stablean> <V453000> good :) if you search for "overflows" then you can find some hopefully valuable reading about this kind of station :)
23:23:38  <Stablean> <Max> zuuuuu u beat me in company league CURSE UUUU
23:23:45  <Stablean> <Max> ok
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23:24:56  <Stablean> <Max> justech look at our profit  O_O
23:25:12  <Stablean> <Justech> see what effiency can do
23:25:19  <Stablean> <Max> yes
23:25:37  <Stablean> <V453000> profit is not very interesting to play for :p
23:25:47  <Stablean> <V453000> you just make long routes, done
23:25:51  <Stablean> <Max> lol
23:25:53  <Stablean> <Justech> it is when your starting out
23:26:00  <Stablean> <Max> dude im trying to have my company be the most valuable
23:26:04  <Stablean> <Justech> max is super new
23:26:14  <Stablean> <Max> but its impossible cuz justech and mark are the best haha
23:26:20  <Stablean> <Max> true that
23:26:23  <Stablean> <V453000> I never cared for money, be it when I was super new or super old
23:26:34  <Stablean> <Justech> but you take the knowledge u learn here and next map u make a huge network
23:26:53  <Stablean> <Max> i get better every new game
23:26:59  <Stablean> <Max> like in begging of this game
23:27:09  <Stablean> <Justech> i personally like growing cities
23:27:15  <Stablean> <Max> i got 1 milllion company value by myself and  little advise :D
23:27:30  <Stablean> <Max> why?
23:27:56  <Stablean> <Justech> its fun to see those 400 pop cities become 8k+ cities
23:28:10  <Stablean> <Max> lol
23:28:10  <Stablean> <Max> yeh
23:28:20  <Stablean> <V453000> try growing 1M or more :p
23:28:22  <Stablean> <Max> whats the biggest u ever seen?
23:28:51  <planetmaker> >4M
23:28:52  <Stablean> <Justech> i thnk 80k was the biggest i seen
23:28:55  <Stablean> <Max> O_O
23:28:59  <planetmaker> single town: 1.2M
23:29:01  <Stablean> <Max> i seen 8k
23:29:01  <Stablean> <Max> lol
23:29:07  <Stablean> <Max> wow
23:29:38  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Which IRC channel is this server connected to?
23:29:41  <Stablean> <V453000> it depends on many things really, just looking for population is about as informative as looking just for profit :) exactly the same, it doesnt say how "well" is it done
23:29:46  <planetmaker> there are a few PublicServer games which feature it. You might want to browse it
23:29:47  <Stablean> <V453000> Zuuu: #openttdcoop.stable
23:29:54  <planetmaker> Zuu #openttdcoop.stable
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23:30:10  <Zuu> Thanks :-)
23:30:16  <Stablean> <Justech> luukland hasnt updated to 1.2
23:30:26  <Stablean> <Max> lol
23:30:32  <Stablean> <V453000> I think public server game 140 had 1M max, 201 might have the 1.2M one I think
23:30:34  <Stablean> <Max> this is probly the best server
23:30:36  <Stablean> <V453000> if not more :d
23:30:56  <Stablean> <Justech> besides i like this server the best
23:31:18  <Stablean> <V453000> quite honestly, not too surprising :p
23:31:37  <Stablean> <Justech> i love having new grfs everygame
23:31:45  <Stablean> <Max> what are grfs?
23:31:53  <planetmaker> game ressource files
23:32:05  <Stablean> <V453000> things like new train sets, etc
23:32:09  <Stablean> <Max> oh ok
23:32:10  <planetmaker> i.e. differen rules how stuff (vehicles, houses, industries) behave and look
23:32:18  <Stablean> <Max> kool
23:32:32  <Stablean> <Justech> like that first game u played. With hte firs grf
23:32:42  <Stablean> <Max> oh
23:32:49  <Stablean> <Max> and who is the owner of this server?
23:33:23  <Stablean> <V453000> technically it is Phoenix I guess, but we Openttdcoop care about it :)
23:33:38  <Stablean> <Max> ok
23:33:44  <Stablean> <Max> i thought it was stablean
23:33:56  <Stablean> <Max> it says server wher it supposed to say client in the list
23:34:18  <Stablean> <V453000> stablean is just a name of a bot
23:34:24  <Stablean> <Max> oh
23:34:26  <Stablean> <Justech> hey v45 do you like my tunnels
23:34:37  <Stablean> <V453000> which tunnels? :)
23:34:51  <Stablean> <V453000> heh
23:34:51  <Stablean> <Justech> placed sign
23:35:09  <Stablean> <V453000> a bit pointless but why not :D
23:35:13  <Stablean> <V453000> I would have went around the mountain
23:35:20  <Stablean> <Justech> there was an iron ore mine
23:35:32  <Stablean> <V453000> more around the mountain
23:35:33  <planetmaker> V453000: technically it runs on 4mmler's and my server.
23:35:36  <Stablean> <V453000> like around teh power plant
23:35:40  <planetmaker> the PS runs on Phonix'
23:35:42  <Stablean> <V453000> oh, sorry pm then :)
23:35:44  <Stablean> <V453000> right
23:35:56  <planetmaker> practically it's #openttdcoop who owns this all
23:36:10  <planetmaker> thus a bunch of similar-minded freaks ;-)
23:36:15  <Stablean> <V453000> =D
23:36:17  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
23:37:03  <Stablean> <Max> i have to go
23:37:09  <Stablean> <Max> :{
23:37:10  <Stablean> <Justech> cya
23:37:10  <Stablean> <Max> someone take care of my company
23:37:16  <Stablean> <Max> bye
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23:38:05  <Stablean> <Justech> the whole reason for the tunnels was trains were having trouble up the hill
23:38:15  <Stablean> <V453000> -> around the hill? :PP
23:38:21  <Stablean> *** V453000 has started a new company (#13)
23:38:26  <Stablean> <V453000> like thiz
23:38:36  <Stablean> <Justech> yeah well it was late last night
23:38:40  <Stablean> <V453000> :d
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23:38:56  <Stablean> <Justech> didnt think it throw
23:39:26  <Stablean> <V453000> just playing with landscape :p
23:40:01  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Oh, I found an interesting thing where I might be able to load off goods at one station, refit the train and then load goods from the same station and go back. Just hope it's possible without leaving the station. :-)
23:40:03  <Stablean> <Justech> at least i didnt flatten the whole hill XD
23:40:53  <Stablean> <Justech> iam still trying to improve my network skills
23:41:07  <Stablean> <V453000> Zuuu: you mean come with wood, leave with goods?
23:41:15  <Stablean> <Zuuu> No actually the other way around
23:41:17  <Stablean> <V453000> Justech: just takes time :)
23:41:31  <Stablean> <V453000> right, same principle
23:41:33  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm
23:41:47  <Stablean> <Justech> yes u can refit in a station
23:41:49  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Deliver goods to Mudham Woods (for transfer to ship) and then pick up wood there and bring back
23:41:55  <Stablean> <Justech> but only if the cars have auto-refi
23:41:57  <Stablean> <V453000> I see
23:42:05  <Stablean> <V453000> that should work with the autorefit
23:42:33  <Stablean> <Zuuu> The town I first  though about giving all my goods refused so then I came up with this idea :-)
23:42:43  <Stablean> <Zuuu> And I'll get to try a new feature :-)
23:43:45  <Stablean> <V453000> I still feel like it is a bit boring and lame to have trains refit in stations instead of having to build a station with deopts :( takes away quite a bit, building refit stations can get interesting
23:44:28  <Stablean> <Justech> refit statons sounds cool, esp. with the grfs
23:44:42  <Stablean> <V453000> see public server archives :)
23:44:52  <Stablean> <Zuuu> You could use regular stations for that and set no load, no take as orders.
23:45:03  <Stablean> <V453000> psgs 179, 186, 197, 200, 205, 213
23:46:01  <Stablean> <Justech> brb
23:46:52  <planetmaker> autorefit of course only works, if the newgrf explicitly allows refit from cargo A to cargo B within a station
23:47:26  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Yes, and you or someone else has made a good work to get that info into the buy menu :-)
23:47:28  <Stablean> <V453000> sure thing :) but with the "old refit" newgrf also had to include wagons with that refit
23:49:49  <planetmaker> I don't see where a newgrf now has to provide less
23:50:33  <V453000> ?
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23:51:30  <V453000> what do you mean pm?
23:51:57  <planetmaker> "but with the "old refit" newgrf also had to include wagons with that refit" makes no sense to me
23:52:06  <Zuu> Is it unavoidable that if you have a full load order and change it to transfer that it changes to no loading?
23:52:44  <planetmaker> Zuu: transfer and load makes no sense
23:52:47  <Mazur> I think so, otherwise it unloads and reloads the same stuff.
23:52:53  <planetmaker> it'll load the same thing then again
23:53:03  <Mazur> I just said that.
23:53:10  <Zuu> planetmaker: Yes it does, with refit to a different cargo between transfer and load
23:53:22  * Mazur was echoing planetmaker before the fact.
23:53:26  <Stablean> <Zuuu> See Mudham Woods and eg. train 20.
23:53:36  <planetmaker> hm. yes. That's new, Zuu. And not yet considered, I guess
23:53:53  <planetmaker> but you can manually change it to transfer and load, can't you?
23:53:57  <Stablean> <Zuuu> But I guess it is still a special case :-)
23:54:11  <Stablean> <Zuuu> Yes, but only by setting the orders in one order.
23:54:21  <V453000> well, before autorefit was there, you had to have a newGRF which has wagons which allow the refit. Now you have to have the newgrf explicitly allow that autorefit for those wagons. So I think technically it is basically the same for a player, he still just has to load the newGRF which supports it
23:54:51  <V453000> originally I was just talking about the effect it has on gameplay as autorefit gets rid of building refit stations with depots which can be very interesting
23:55:07  <planetmaker> V453000: imho it does not remove that
23:55:21  <planetmaker> it really depends how the newgrf handles it
23:55:35  <Mazur> Can be, but will it?  I guess we'll see in the next ps game or the one after....
23:55:48  <V453000> doesnt it? :o how come?
23:56:04  <planetmaker> well. the newgrfs which I write differ. Different wagons -> visit depot needed. Same wagon but different cargo -> station suffices often
23:56:10  * Mazur bets V453000 will have a plan using it soon.
23:56:58  <planetmaker> Zuu: maybe you create a FS issue about that... with autorefit it indeed might make sense...
23:57:29  <Zuu> I'll do so
23:57:59  <planetmaker> make a good suggestion of what the defaults should be ;-)
23:58:30  <V453000> oh right so the autorefit allows also wagons to change to different wagons in depot?
23:58:36  <V453000> that is actually quite cool
23:59:00  <Mazur> I remember wanting that a long time ago, once.
23:59:20  <Sylf>   that sounds crazy but good
23:59:30  <V453000> I usually just ended up wanting an universal wagon Mazur :p twice
23:59:41  <planetmaker> V453000: with a "proper" definition of wagons that might be feasible. Like a "universal" wagon
23:59:49  <V453000> I see
23:59:58  <V453000> quite interesting :)

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