Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 31st January 2012:
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00:11:35  <Stablean> <Mazur> lo
00:11:39  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> hi
00:11:54  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> not only did you go broke, but I did too sometime last night when my trains jammed xD
00:12:24  <Stablean> <Mazur> Yes, Beech, and I explained earlier what happened, but you were spectating away frmo the keyboard.
00:12:34  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> ill go back and go through history
00:12:45  <Stablean> <Mazur> I can tell you again.
00:12:47  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> good times
00:12:50  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> nah, just read it
00:13:00  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> no biggie
00:13:27  <Stablean> <Mazur> Clearly I did something similar, to go broke.
00:13:37  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> not to late for you and me to team up and not fail this time :D
00:14:04  <Stablean> <Mazur> Yeah, other plans for tonight, though.
00:14:11  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> oooh
00:14:18  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> like sleeping probably
00:14:29  <Stablean> <Mazur> Eventually.
00:14:53  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> I liked my drop area cuz i didnt fund anything and pretty much all the drops in the game were right there
00:15:07  <Stablean> <Mazur> That's nice.
00:15:26  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> factory and food plant are still there
00:15:50  <Stablean> <Mazur> BUt a headache in the later game, since all trains coe together in a big jam.
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00:15:56  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> sadly
00:16:50  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> I think everyone on this map should go broke xD
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00:20:26  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> guv, im going to make a sign for something you should avoid building
00:20:48  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> at !here
00:20:50  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> on the signlist
00:21:16  <Stablean> <Guvnor> ok
00:21:27  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> like uh
00:21:31  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> if you had room i would go
00:21:41  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> and build a bridge then another hookup for the other line going east
00:22:03  <Stablean> <Guvnor> makes sense,
00:22:17  <Stablean> <Guvnor> might have been in a rush there :P
00:22:19  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> somethingk like that , but obsiously not with 1CL curves
00:22:42  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> at demo
00:23:00  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> cuz basically those 4 ways have a signal gap
00:23:10  <Stablean> <Guvnor> oh, i see
00:23:16  <Stablean> <Guvnor> yeah, the gap is big
00:23:20  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> yup
00:23:38  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> but othet than that, some of your work looks pretty good
00:23:49  <Stablean> <Guvnor> cool, thanks
00:24:19  <Stablean> <Guvnor> adding in those prios basically fixed my ML bandwidth issues (for now)
00:24:37  <Stablean> <Guvnor> i was at "capacity" and now it looks like i have room
00:25:04  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> having prio's ( which i still need building lessons on ) usually straightens things out
00:25:14  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> having faster accellerating trains is good too
00:25:20  <Stablean> <Guvnor> yeah
00:25:27  <V453000> Sylf: still around<
00:25:29  <V453000> ?
00:25:43  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> hello V
00:26:01  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> Sylf isnt in game, not sure if he's lurking where you're at Dr. V.
00:26:39  <V453000> :P Hi
00:26:47  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> hello
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00:32:30  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> since youre working there
00:32:40  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> eh, nevermind
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00:39:18  <Guvnor> list my connection
00:39:25  <Guvnor> *lost
00:39:27  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> so i noticed
00:39:53  <Guvnor> hmmmm, and i cant reconnect
00:40:07  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> keep trying
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00:41:01  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> wb
00:41:08  <Stablean> <Guvnor> :P
00:47:07  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> actually
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00:47:45  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> at !signal gap
00:48:23  <Stablean> <Guvnor> thinking......
00:48:37  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> bring that line out 1 more space
00:49:03  <Stablean> <Guvnor> it let me add a signal right there at the point
00:49:10  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> kk
00:49:24  <Stablean> <Guvnor> which i believe may have fixed the gap
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00:56:02  <Stablean> <Guvnor> i will be back on later
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04:07:42  <Stablean> <Guvnor> hello
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04:08:06  <Stablean> <Guvnor> ok
04:08:36  <Stablean> <Guvnor> so the network wasnt jammed.....i thought it was when i saw the negative income when logging in
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05:51:48  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> lol
05:51:53  <Stablean> <Guvnor> :P
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06:01:01  <Stablean> <Sylf> hewwo
06:01:07  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> hi there
06:01:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> still only 1955
06:01:40  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> nobody playing much
06:02:02  <Stablean> <Sylf> I've been told I used a town building set that nobody can find
06:02:02  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> i went broke, it not i would be playing
06:02:20  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> Well I have the set, but i got it from the pack probably on the site
06:02:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah
06:03:03  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> cool kids get the pack
06:03:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> I might abandon this map early
06:03:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> This looks much like Guvnor's solo map
06:03:47  <Stablean> <Big_Meech>  I think Maz is grumpy like me too over total company collapse
06:04:23  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> id consider team building but only with help
06:04:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> I can help get you started
06:04:48  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha, thats a redundant statement
06:05:19  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> I need to learn how to build a darned slh
06:05:21  <Stablean> <Sylf> give me some rough plan, and we'll take a plunge
06:05:27  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> kk well
06:05:37  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> the original factory and food processori are still there
06:05:47  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> near Guv's Copper Pick 6
06:06:05  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> and last night basically I owned everything south and west of that where guv isnt
06:06:05  <Stablean> <Sylf> k
06:06:24  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> i started with the dual copper near bahcepazaryurt
06:07:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> if we want a quick cash, Büyükayva Rubber Plantation is a big producer
06:08:04  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> lets go
06:08:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> you go
06:08:29  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> fine :P
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06:09:03  <Stablean> <Sylf> standard
06:10:15  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> you were talking at !this ?
06:10:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> No, at Mardin Forest station
06:12:59  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> cache both
06:14:33  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> long train xD
06:14:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> quick cash
06:15:50  <Stablean> <Sylf> now you can build anything you want
06:17:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah
06:17:52  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> tdone
06:18:30  <Stablean> <Sylf> It's a bit too weak
06:19:00  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> another engine add ?
06:19:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh well, it gets to the destination without too much slowdown
06:19:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> what we have is probably optimal for initial money maker
06:19:36  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> kk
06:21:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> this is a pretty dead looking map
06:21:53  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> lot of the primaries are gone
06:22:17  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> what script got goofed up ? xD
06:25:44  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> sorry, took your money away
06:27:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> there you go, a quick secondary startup
06:28:21  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> :D
06:28:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> add signals, and add trains
06:30:29  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> would help if i get my signals correct
06:30:59  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> `
06:31:06  <Stablean> <Sylf> there ya go
06:31:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> right hand drive.
06:31:20  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> how many tiles did you set for block ?
06:31:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> 8
06:31:49  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'd start with 6 in this area
06:31:55  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> kk
06:32:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> just good enough
06:33:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> left hand drive?
06:33:37  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> omh
06:33:40  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> im dumb
06:34:51  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> maybe i should quit if icant even get a decent signal right :(
06:41:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> use Full Load Any Cargo order
06:41:44  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> ok
06:41:46  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> any reason behind that?
06:41:49  <Stablean> <Sylf> Full load all cargo won't work with that engine, because regearing is considered as a cargo
06:41:56  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> sick
06:42:10  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> kk ill go fix the others
06:42:29  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> kk thanks
06:43:04  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> question
06:43:10  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> i dont understand this one but
06:43:12  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> *bit
06:43:35  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> if your train is too long for the depot it takes about 5x longer to load or unload, any reason behind that or just a game issue
06:44:01  <Stablean> <Sylf> It's just a game design
06:44:24  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> man
06:44:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> If you have a 3.1 long train in a 3tile long station, it takes a bit longer than normal.
06:45:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> If you have 8 tile long train in a 2 tile long station, it takes forever and a day.
06:45:06  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> yeah, cant figure that out
06:45:12  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha
06:50:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> I'm falling asleep at my desk
06:50:47  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> i need to go too, almost 2am here
06:50:57  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> have a good one sylf
06:50:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> keep the long train
06:51:05  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> I will
06:51:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> then you'll be safe from any goof-ups
06:51:18  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> haha
06:51:24  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> good idea actually
06:51:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> see ya
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06:51:43  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> night bud
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07:12:14  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> g'nite Guvnor
07:12:32  <Stablean> <Guvnor> nite!
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10:57:55  <Stablean> <Mazur> Moar ning
10:58:46  <V453000> moar
10:59:02  <Mazur> v0.2.0 is better, not?
10:59:20  <Mazur> Question is, are there any mistakes left.
10:59:25  <V453000> 0 2 0 of? :D
10:59:43  <Mazur> I suppose I can find them today, hardly looked at it.
10:59:51  <Mazur> FURS 0.7.0 flow chart.,
11:00:25  <Mazur> Bear skins, ermin, mink, you know, furs.
11:00:31  <V453000> ah, I dont really follow that much
11:00:42  <Mazur> Noone is.
11:00:58  <V453000> hm yeah that looks a lot better
11:01:06  <Mazur> I guess not many opther people were waiting for it.
11:01:11  <Mazur> :-D
11:01:37  <V453000> idk I always have a certain request what I want to do. Like last firs game I wanted to make all industries in as low amount of stations as possible, so I made my own chart based on that
11:02:02  <V453000> so I dont really give your chart much attention
11:02:21  <Mazur> Would that multiplier indication by thickness of connection be useful?
11:02:41  <Mazur> I mean, do you reckon with that?
11:02:56  <V453000> it definitely looks much less messy now
11:03:16  <Mazur> Hoiw much tons iof output come from one ton of input/
11:03:45  <V453000> ah so
11:03:54  <V453000> guess not
11:04:03  <Mazur> Thoughrt so, which is why I left it out
11:04:26  <V453000> perhaps when the supplying mechanism gets upgraded and there is a shortage of supplies
11:04:31  <V453000> so you have to care about it
11:04:37  <Mazur> Indeed.
11:04:42  <V453000> but now, nobody needs to do anything like think how much of what you get
11:05:01  <V453000> and imo that would be even above the top
11:05:03  <Mazur> Just wher to get it or where to ship the result.
11:05:15  <V453000> planning for 120937 industries is "good" enough already :d
11:05:26  * Mazur agrees.
11:05:37  <Mazur> Still, it misses a still.
11:06:07  <Mazur> For wodka from potatoes, Jenever  from Grain...
11:07:17  <Mazur> I mean, what is a night getting hammered without being able to sink a shot glass full of liquor in your beer?
11:10:12  <V453000> ? :D
11:13:04  <Mazur> It just helps when you get to that stage, when the beer alone just doens't get you legless anymore, and you just want to forget.
11:14:48  <Mazur> Which is a step along the path to alcoholism.
11:14:54  * Mazur has got the T-shirt.
11:15:49  <V453000> :D
11:15:50  <Stablean> <Jerry> yeee my first train :)
11:17:20  <Stablean> <Mazur> Congrats.
11:23:12  <Stablean> <Mazur> Why do you make platforms of length 4 when your trains are 3 long, Jerry?
11:23:24  <Stablean> <Jerry> i dont know
11:23:30  <Stablean> <Jerry> :)
11:23:32  <Stablean> <Mazur> That just means extra maintenance cost with no profit to show for it.
11:23:39  <Stablean> <Mazur> Just wondering.
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11:29:27  <V453000> this maintenance getting in peoples brains already I see :(
11:30:24  <Mazur> There was a game recently, where maintenance prices were so high, I bankrupted twice.
11:31:44  <Mazur> After that, I joined ODM for a spell, I think, and had to undouble a line to save him from the same fate.
11:32:00  <Mazur> So yes, it got into my mind.
11:35:30  <V453000> which is wrong
11:35:54  <V453000> the running, purchase, or some other costs need to be reduced then
11:36:57  <Mazur> Reducing running costs means fewer trains, which only helps if you ahve trains to spare, otherwise it means reduced income, too.
11:37:56  <Mazur> After paying off the loan and adding more profitable runs, and production getting up, the line could be doubled again.
11:38:15  <V453000> how does reducing running costs reduce income?
11:38:15  <Mazur> It was just a temp measure to stave off bankrupcy.
11:38:29  <Mazur> Fewer trains per year making the run.
11:38:34  <V453000> uh?
11:38:40  <V453000> that doesnt make sense to me
11:38:52  <V453000> when your train is cheaper to run, you can have more?
11:39:22  <Mazur> Say you have 4 trains on a run, 3 are going to the drop off, or coming back, the foutrh is loading at the station.
11:40:02  <Mazur> The run takes one year to anf fro, and four trains can load every year.
11:40:17  <Mazur> Sell one off, and you lose 25% potential income.
11:40:29  <V453000> I mean changing settings
11:40:33  <Mazur> Ah,.
11:41:32  <Mazur> Yes, but I don't mess with Sylfs (or your) maps, what if he was just testing settings?
11:42:07  <Mazur> It was possible to get up and running profitably, you just had to be careful.
11:42:14  <V453000> I guess the concept of maintenance for rails isnt bad as it makes you use rails more effectively, but then train running costs are pretty much of lesser importance
11:42:29  <Mazur> Signal cost was the killer, though.
11:42:41  <V453000> some train sets stupidly raise that, yes :)
11:42:43  <V453000> japanese?
11:43:19  <Mazur> Don't remember.
11:44:53  <Mazur> WHat's a ladybug doing on my window in the middle of winter?
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14:03:13  <Stablean> <Scia> if you need me to bridge just say
14:09:27  <planetmaker> signals also cost maintenance, if maintenance costs are enabled.
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15:14:34  <Stablean> <Firestar> fuck
15:16:48  <Stablean> <Firestar> jerry one of your trains is stuck
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16:19:27  <Guest1102> !password
16:20:15  *** Guest1102 is now known as Joosta
16:20:27  <Joosta> !password
16:21:07  <Joosta> anyone here?
16:21:32  <Stablean> <Firestar> yes?
16:21:39  <Stablean> <Scia> me too
16:21:50  <Joosta> allright, good morning :)
16:22:03  <Joosta> the password command doesn't seem to work for me, where it did before.. any ideas?
16:22:06  <Stablean> <Firestar> good afternoon
16:22:06  <Stablean> <Scia> good afternoon :p
16:22:17  <Joosta> timezones... ;)
16:22:19  <Stablean> <Firestar> on stable theres no password
16:22:28  <Stablean> <Firestar> only on public server
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16:22:40  <Stablean> <Guvnor> hello
16:23:04  <Joosta> yes i know, trying to join the public  server, or has that been closed or something?
16:23:32  <Stablean> <Firestar> no you need the right version of ottd
16:24:37  <KenjiE20> answers here @@quickstart
16:24:39  <Webster> Quickstart - #openttdcoop Wiki -
16:24:47  <Joosta> I have the right version installed, all is green, I choose spectate and it prompts for the password, so i come in here and type <!password>, but it won't give me a password
16:25:07  <Stablean> <Firestar> then try to join #openttdcoop
16:25:25  <Stablean> <Firestar> and not #openttdcoop.stable
16:25:47  <Joosta> right... thanks!
16:25:51  <Stablean> <Firestar> np
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17:01:09  <Guvnor> !players
17:01:12  <Stablean> Guvnor: Client 2082 (Blue) is Jerry, in company 5 (Jerry Transport)
17:01:12  <Stablean> Guvnor: Client 2154 (Green) is Scia, in company 3 (Scia Transport)
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18:42:17  <Stablean> <Firestar> cya all later
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18:42:22  <Stablean> <Scia> bye
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19:15:29  <Stablean> <Jerry> 96 trains and no jams :)
19:15:47  <Stablean> <Scia> not anymore? :p
19:16:34  <Stablean> <Jerry> it was just bacaus i canged engins.
19:16:43  <Stablean> <Scia> aah
19:16:45  <Stablean> <Scia> ok
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19:39:28  <Stablean> <Scia> hmm
19:39:35  <Stablean> <Scia> too many vehicles ingame :P
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19:54:15  <Stablean> <Jerry> wyh this redicules amunt or road?
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20:17:57  <Stablean> <Scia> because it is possible
20:18:07  <Stablean> <Firestar> what?
20:18:29  <Stablean> <Scia> Firestar asked: why this rediculous amount of road
20:18:56  <Stablean> <Firestar> no i wasnt here for 1-2 hours
20:19:10  <Stablean> <Firestar> and i didnt ask anything
20:19:12  <Stablean> <Scia> heh, meant Jerry
20:19:18  <Stablean> <Jerry> ye
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20:22:40  <Stablean> <Firestar> heh im still better in performance than Scia
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21:18:58  <Stablean> <Firestar> hi big
21:23:57  <Stablean> <Firestar> hows there going Scia?
21:28:37  <Stablean> <Scia> fine
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21:42:47  <Stablean> <Scia> this plane will be my end :P
21:43:11  <Stablean> <Kejhic> running costs :-)
21:43:14  <Stablean> <Scia> yes
21:43:25  <Stablean> <Scia> what is up with these prices
21:43:31  <Stablean> <Scia> it is not normal
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21:44:44  <Stablean> <Kejhic> that is baseCosts mod
21:45:02  <Stablean> <Kejhic> aircraft running costs are 128x multiplied
21:46:28  <Stablean> <Scia> did not realize that until i bought one :P
21:47:26  <Stablean> *** Scia has joined spectators
21:47:38  <Stablean> <Scia> hmm
21:47:44  <Stablean> <Kejhic> oops
21:47:54  <Stablean> <Scia> i was dragging my plane to the dustbin
21:47:54  <Stablean> <Kejhic> did not notice, that is so bad
21:48:08  <Stablean> <Scia> half a second away from a save :)
21:48:30  <Stablean> *** Scia has started a new company (#3)
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22:02:14  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#6)
22:02:26  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to A.Ryan
22:02:34  <Stablean> <Kejhic> hi
22:02:36  <Stablean> <A.Ryan> hello
22:02:56  <Stablean> <Scia> hi
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22:15:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi
22:15:27  <Stablean> <A.Ryan> hi
22:15:27  <Stablean> <Scia> hello
22:15:29  <Stablean> <Kejhic> hi
22:16:15  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> did this map come with all this road?
22:16:23  <Stablean> <Scia> no
22:16:29  <Stablean> <Scia> I build it
22:16:45  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> did you go bankrupt?
22:16:51  <Stablean> <Kejhic> (and bankrupted because of airplane)
22:16:55  <Stablean> <Scia> I bought a plane
22:16:58  <Stablean> <Scia> haha
22:17:01  <Stablean> <Scia> indeed :P
22:18:32  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you going yo finish your ring?
22:18:54  <Stablean> <Scia> guess not
22:19:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that is a shame
22:19:27  <Stablean> <Scia> themaximum number of vehicles is rather low in this
22:19:29  <Stablean> <Scia> game
22:19:51  <Stablean> <Scia> otherwise, they are pretty competitive
22:19:53  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that can be fixed
22:20:19  <Stablean> <Scia> like now? of for the next game?
22:20:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no it can be fixed via the server
22:20:44  <Stablean> *** Chris Booth has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.)
22:20:52  <Stablean> <Scia> that would be cool
22:20:55  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> can we have more RVs please?
22:21:09  <planetmaker> !rcon set max_roadveh
22:21:09  <Stablean> planetmaker: Current value for 'max_roadveh' is: '100' (min: 0, max: 5000)
22:21:11  <planetmaker> !rcon set max_roadveh 250
22:21:16  <Chris_Booth> thanks planetmaker
22:21:21  <planetmaker> you're welcome
22:21:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> now you have 250 Scia
22:21:47  <Stablean> <Scia> hey, thanks :D
22:22:02  <Stablean> <Scia> now I will finish it :)
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22:44:53  <Mazur> Yes?
22:45:20  <Mazur> Ah, pm already fixed it.
22:47:04  <Chris_Booth> hi Mazur
22:47:24  <Stablean> <Scia> the ring is finished
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22:53:06  <Stablean> <Scia> not again...
22:53:29  <Stablean> <A.Ryan> lol
22:53:51  <Stablean> <A.Ryan> dont buy ship either
22:53:59  <Stablean> <Scia> running costs 400 miljion pounds a year :P
22:54:14  <Stablean> <Scia> why enable them?
22:54:48  <planetmaker> to teach people to be attentive
22:54:48  <Stablean> <Scia> going bankrupt for sure
22:54:50  <Stablean> <Scia> agian!
22:54:52  <Stablean> <Scia> :P
22:54:56  <planetmaker> and to allow people to bancrupt
22:55:08  <Stablean> *** Scia has joined spectators
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22:55:50  <Stablean> <Scia> yes, you don't expect that if you just see the standard ships
22:56:56  <Stablean> <A.Ryan> :(
22:58:09  <Guvnor> !quickstart
22:58:27  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> Thank you for not stealing
23:01:58  <Guvnor> hello gents
23:02:10  <Stablean> <A.Ryan> hello
23:04:48  <Stablean> *** Kejhic has left the game (leaving)
23:10:04  <Stablean> <Scia> oops
23:10:27  <Stablean> <A.Ryan> :S
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23:25:03  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> Guvnor, y the bumpers?
23:25:21  <Guvnor> i didnt place them, Firestar did, i had never seen them before
23:25:36  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> what do they do?
23:26:19  <Guvnor> HAHA, i actually have no idea, he put them there and i didn't ask  :P
23:26:27  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> #38 is lost
23:27:03  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> u understand?
23:27:21  <Stablean> <Guvnor> you talking to me Kenneth?
23:27:27  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> yes
23:27:33  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> ur train 38 is lost
23:27:39  <Stablean> <Guvnor> ok, looking............
23:28:26  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> maybe skip order helps
23:29:05  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> u found it?
23:29:20  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> good
23:29:23  <Stablean> <Guvnor> wow, finally he made it out of that station
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23:30:25  <Stablean> <Guvnor> oh wow, i see a prob, the entry signal there is a PBS?  what the heck....i didn't pu that there....amazing that station is functioning
23:30:39  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> should be no prob there
23:30:45  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> valid station layout
23:31:03  <Stablean> <Guvnor> you think?  i would have thought an entry signal would be better?
23:31:05  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> tight corner before it is a problem
23:31:19  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> no, pbs allows for simultaneous entry and exit
23:31:30  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> no change of crash, tho
23:31:36  <Stablean> <Guvnor> yeah, i guess it does
23:31:54  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> which station is urs?
23:32:24  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> you also made the prios?
23:32:30  <Stablean> <Guvnor> ues
23:32:41  <Stablean> <Guvnor> this is my network, firestar added some picks
23:32:53  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> lots of tight corners tho
23:33:27  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> ah, with speeds <160 kph, you can have cl3 corners
23:33:45  <Stablean> <Guvnor> yes, it is an artifact of a quick starting build with no cash...when money comes later sometimes it is very difficult to straighten things out, if not impossible
23:34:00  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> never impossible
23:34:06  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> I can help you if you want
23:34:33  <Stablean> <Guvnor> sure
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23:35:20  <Guvnor> i spent hours last night added those prios
23:35:32  <Guvnor> i was in the process of doubling my ML
23:35:52  <Guvnor> i started in the north and headed south, i constructed several balanced entries
23:36:04  <Guvnor> i left off just north of my sign labled "!here"
23:36:30  <Guvnor> when i logged in this morning, i saw that Jerry bridged across my ML right at the choke point where I left off
23:36:49  <Guvnor> he left no gap whatsover, he just bridged right over tightly
23:37:04  <Guvnor> it was really a punch in the gut when I saw it
23:37:04  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> that's not very nice
23:37:30  <Guvnor> i am not kidding you, it was almost like a dream when i saw it.....i couldn't believe it
23:38:04  <Guvnor> literally i am not kidding you, if you would have asked me, hey Guv, where is the worst possible place I could bridge over your ML, that would have been the spot
23:38:38  <Guvnor> an experienced player could look north and see that I am in the process of doubling my ML and I left off right at that point
23:38:51  <Guvnor> an experienced builder would have left me a gap to expand my ML
23:39:04  <Guvnor> he has literally choked me to death at that point
23:39:16  <Guvnor> it has actually taken the wind out of my sails and now I just want a new map
23:39:39  <Guvnor> hours spent last night building those prios
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23:40:00  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> you're good with prios?
23:40:38  <Guvnor> well I can build them by heart
23:41:09  <Guvnor> i was looking at Jerry's network and he obviously an experienced builder
23:41:27  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> only kinda
23:41:31  <Guvnor> I am just absolutely dumbfounded that he would bridge over another player's ML in such a manner
23:41:52  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> dont think he's a very social player then
23:42:13  <Guvnor> he's like right in my kitchen
23:42:17  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> and you can see by the bridges over "!here"that he's not an experienced player: they're not synced
23:42:37  <Guvnor> i went to bed, woke up, and it's like, someone is in my kitchen eating my cereal
23:42:50  <Guvnor> and he's making coffee too
23:42:53  <Guvnor> :P
23:43:07  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> oh, annoying
23:43:42  <Guvnor> ahh good point re: bridges
23:44:35  <Guvnor> it's almost like we need a rule like "hey gents, we thought this would go without saying, but when bridging over another player's ML, spend a few seconds looking about and leave them a gap"
23:45:03  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> yeah, i know
23:45:09  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> can be real annoying
23:45:13  <Guvnor> thanks for listening to my rant  :P
23:45:23  <Guvnor> i had to tell someone, i have been fuming a bit about it  :P
23:45:31  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> ive heard worse
23:49:30  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> but why where the bridges a good point?
23:50:32  <Guvnor> i was responding to your comment about the unsynced bridges, i was saying that you made a good point
23:50:43  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> ah, okay
23:51:22  <Guvnor> so here's the problem I have right now with my network....
23:52:03  <Guvnor> i am basically at capacity without adding more prios and doubling up my ML.....but the kicker is, i can no longer double my ML because another player has choked me out
23:52:24  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> Just build on the other side of Jerry
23:52:34  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> or
23:52:40  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> Ask him to move his crap
23:52:40  <Guvnor> as i look around, the places where i need to expand....he has bridged over with no gap.....
23:52:52  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> he was stealing from me earlier, and without me asking, he deleted his stealing staiton
23:53:03  <Guvnor> Meech, do you see how HUGE his main bridge is over my ML????  do you see how many tiles it takes up?
23:53:45  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> you could move a couple of things and have plenty of room to bridge over his line
23:53:52  <Guvnor> i'd like to double my ML to the north as well....but oh....surprise....he's choked me out there as well
23:54:12  <Guvnor> *whoops, i meant to the west
23:54:19  <Guvnor> *dammit...east!!!! haha
23:54:36  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> apparently he likes building over stuff
23:54:46  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> him building rails there is a bitch, but not that bad
23:54:55  <Guvnor> you got it Meech, with no regard for other players' networks
23:54:58  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> which is 10% resonable considering most of the primaries are gone
23:55:17  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> you can scout for new ones
23:55:50  <Guvnor> all he would need to do is leave me a gap....which just means he needs longer seven or eight tiles long, leaving me real estate underneath for more ML
23:56:17  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> perhaps tell him, maybe he wont do it anymore
23:56:31  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> make a huge sign
23:56:41  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> and then when he comes here, tell him about it
23:57:55  <Guvnor> actually just telling you guys and having you listen is helping me get it out of my system  :P
23:58:22  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> if it happens just once, thats one thing , but if Jerry makes a habit of it he will probably be removed permanently
23:58:46  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> note for everyone here, if youre going to build over a ML, leave 1 space on each side or more
23:59:04  <Guvnor> yes Meech
23:59:15  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> but
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23:59:25  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> heres what i would do
23:59:25  <Guvnor> we definitely need to enact some courtesy with ML bridge overs
23:59:41  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> Need to clear that mess first, Meech
23:59:47  <Stablean> <Kenneth B. Dunn> but your idea is right
23:59:49  <Stablean> <Big_Meech> something like that

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