Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 19th July 2012:
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00:22:28  <Stablean> <Anson> ARGS ... where did my forest go ?
00:23:10  <Stablean> <Anson> it is still on the map window, but just gone next to my freshly built station :-(
00:23:49  <Stablean> <Anson> and please, Cat, change your name ... some other people (and admins) don't find it funny ...
01:00:01  <Mazur> !rcon clients
01:00:01  <Stablean> Mazur: Client #1  name: 'Stablean'  company: 255  IP: server
01:00:01  <Stablean> Mazur: Client #129  name: 'Hitler's Pet Cat'  company: 8  IP:
01:00:01  <Stablean> Mazur: Client #38  name: 'Anson'  company: 6  IP:
01:00:15  <Mazur> !rcon move 129 255
01:00:15  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Hitler's Pet Cat has joined spectators
01:00:44  <Mazur> Change your nick to something less controversial.
01:01:17  <Anson> Mazur: thanks
01:01:45  <Mazur> np.
01:02:30  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: yesterday, he was here already and changed the name to "Hit" ... today he was back with the other name and didn't reply to me
01:04:08  <Stablean> <Anson> still doesn't react ... seems to be AFK anyway
01:04:17  <Mazur> !rcon ban 129
01:04:17  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Hitler's Pet Cat has left the game (kicked by server)
01:04:17  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Hitler's Pet Cat has left the game (connection lost)
01:04:17  <Stablean> Mazur: Banned 1 client(s)
01:04:37  <Mazur> Problem solved.
01:04:43  <Mazur> For now, anyway.
01:04:58  <Stablean> <Anson> do you ban by IP ? or by name ?
01:05:13  <Mazur> And eventually he'll run out of IP adresses to play with/from.
01:05:15  <Mazur> IP.
01:05:40  <Mazur> Othrerwise it would be easy to make a lit of unwanted "names".
01:05:41  <Stablean> <Anson> for example, i get a new IP at least once per day (daily disconnect by provider)
01:06:04  <Mazur> Then at some point your whole provider gets banned.
01:06:16  <Stablean> <Anson> and my provider has thousands of IPs ....
01:06:30  <Mazur> BUt a lot fewer netmasks.
01:06:56  <Stablean> <Anson> which would hurt people from the same region or the entire provider because of one single %$&%$%
01:06:58  <Mazur> Yes.
01:07:14  <Mazur> That is a known problem for the good guys.
01:08:02  <Mazur> But them it is up to them to complain to their provider to do something about the bad guy, and then contact us via the website or something.
01:08:13  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, many "security features" (of games, DRM, whatever) hurt the "good" users more (or only) while the others keep doing their nad stuff
01:08:57  <Mazur> It's one of hte few drawbacks of the Internet Protocol.
01:09:04  <V453000> interesting nickname
01:09:48  <Stablean> <Anson> yesterday, he explained that "it was the guy who was bad, and not his cat" ... and then changed the nick to "Hit"
01:10:05  <Mazur> Which completelty underminded his argument.
01:10:09  <Mazur> -d
01:10:14  <Mazur> undermined.
01:10:47  <Mazur> Had he come in first with "Hit", noonwe would have even noticed.
01:11:02  <Stablean> <Anson> or cat or whatever
01:11:28  <Mazur> Typical US pubescent wanker.
01:11:54  <Mazur> Though that sentence has a few redundancies.
01:12:08  <Stablean> <Anson> i still remember the times when i was part of usenet, had a simple email address (anson@akb), and there was no spam email
01:13:15  <Stablean> <Anson> email could have had any other name too, thus even shorter x@akb, without any domain :-)
01:13:20  <Mazur> Yeah, thopse were the good times, before "Good Times".
01:13:32  <Mazur> Before eternal spetember.
01:14:02  <Stablean> <Anson> it was before there was the WWW :-)
01:14:49  <Mazur> UUCP  we used, to get usenet news.  A regular phoneline with a 512 Kb modem.
01:15:28  <Stablean> <Anson> on the day when there was the first attack on the WTC, i suddenly had 30 mails routed through my computer since we had the only connection between america and europe nesides the wire in the WTC underground
01:16:00  <Mazur> You in Adam, then.
01:16:03  <Mazur> A'dam
01:16:04  <Stablean> <Anson> 512k ? i did that with an acoustic one at first, with 300 :-)
01:16:29  <Mazur> I was on bitnet, then.
01:17:29  <Mazur> RULCR1SL
01:17:31  <Stablean> <Anson> a bit later with a 1200 baud modem, i could read all german newgroups completely, and the subjects of all international newsgroups
01:18:09  <Stablean> <Anson> now with DSL, it takes 2 minutes to get only the list of newsgroups :-)
01:18:34  <Mazur> When I started usenet at the RUL, without consulting my boss, I only dared draw nlnet.* groups, and not even all of those.
01:18:43  <Stablean> <Anson> mazur: what is adam ?
01:18:58  <Mazur> Amsterdam.
01:19:05  <Mazur> A'dam.
01:19:08  <Stablean> <Anson> germany, berlin
01:19:59  <Stablean> <Anson> in germany, it was even illegal at first, to use any equipment like acoustic couplers, even when they were not directly connected (wired) to the phone system
01:21:01  <Stablean> <Anson> a bit later, we had the problem of the central usenet "companies" not giving us cheap access ... business connections were around 1000 DM+
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01:21:46  <Stablean> <Anson> thus some crazy guy made his own conection to america, something like modem connection for 1 hour per day to brazil :-)
01:22:40  <Stablean> <Anson> that's why lots of mail was routed from the USA through brazil and our private computers to the german usenet backbone, when the first bomb exploded in the WTC
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01:25:24  <Phillip> hello
01:25:46  <Mazur> Oh, I was thinking about Piet Beertema's coup in Amsterdam, who organised the first and long-time only cross-atlantic internet connection.
01:26:03  <Mazur> And UUCP before that.
01:26:22  <Mazur> You know, he of KREMVAX fame.
01:26:29  <Phillip> Uhhh... Ok....
01:27:08  <Mazur> All Euopean UUCP/internet traffic went through there for quite some time.
01:27:19  <Stablean> *** Diablo has started a new company (#4)
01:27:21  <Mazur> The cross-ataltic bit.
01:27:53  <Mazur> atlantic.
01:36:20  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, I'm experimenting with "creative" refitting ... found some small solutions, which are ugly and don't work in bigger networks, but save space and time (to build) in the beginning
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02:04:02  <Anson> did the server crash? just lost con, can't reconnect, and the date in the join screen is june 1921
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02:07:43  <Anson> strange.... now i am in again and everything looks normal
02:13:35  <Phillip> Really strange for you Anson.
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02:32:01  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, note to self : always stop trains before editing signals :-)
02:38:14  <Mazur> We've all been there.
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02:42:47  <Stablean> <Phillip> I don't like how happy transport designs his networks sometimes. Now it's hard to upgrade to LLRR near the drops and goods/food pickups.
02:48:10  <Stablean> <Anson> it's also confusing when someone builds an RL instead of LR :-)
02:48:48  <Stablean> <Anson> must be britain, australian, japanese, or something like that
02:49:22  <Stablean> <Phillip> happy is british. thanks to n-ice's country origin announcement system when they join.
02:49:36  <Stablean> <Phillip> Me and happy played there on desert goal.
02:50:50  <Stablean> <Phillip> So I must of said it wrong. Fix: It is a pain to upgrade a RL to RRL, then the RRLL.
02:53:21  <Stablean> <Anson> i always confuse myself when i switch the entry and exit of some station, eg to have a slope down at the exit in the mountains
02:53:47  <Stablean> <Anson> most often, i then try to connect it "as usual", and end up with stuck trains which want to enter by the exit
02:55:42  <Stablean> <Phillip> On happy's lines, there is constant traffic here and it's sometimes hard to stop the trains at the right place and upgrading.
02:56:39  <Stablean> <Anson> brute force : get the overview, stop all trains, then un-stop the trains where you want to work and let them leave that area
02:56:58  <Stablean> <Phillip> That's what I do.
02:57:40  <Stablean> <Anson> it might also be useful to do that so that trains don't get lost, entering sidelines or wrong depots, etc, while you temporarily interrupt a track into a drop station
02:58:15  <Stablean> <Anson> see above, my "note to self" :-) LOL
03:02:25  <Stablean> <Phillip> Looks like this ML might be a RRRLL.
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03:06:10  <Stablean> <Anson> WB
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03:06:24  <Stablean> <Phillip> awwww
03:06:34  <Stablean> <Anson> bye :-(
03:06:53  <Stablean> <Phillip> In a few years, we and other people built too much.
03:08:36  <Stablean> <Anson> is it really that bad ? ... a month ago, there wre lots of problems, and i had lots of lag, but for a few weeks now, i had no single problem with lag and lost con (except the strange one an hour ago)
03:09:00  <Stablean> <Phillip> the game on my computer is lagging too.
03:10:14  <Stablean> <Anson> i currently have no lag, not even jerky mouse or anything, even at extrame zoom and when moving around a lot
03:14:45  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't know wheret he trains are coming from or going to ... but it looks strange with an almost empty line going through, and two full lines being merged
03:18:27  <Stablean> <Anson> at the merge, the signals are wron ....
03:18:53  <Stablean> <Phillip> Then what are they? (I'm no pro here)
03:19:07  <Stablean> <Anson> entry signal at one line is ok
03:19:21  <Stablean> <Anson> the merged line should have a normal block signal
03:19:43  <Stablean> <Anson> and the other merging line needs a 2way combo
03:21:14  <Stablean> <Anson> and a normal block signal at the merged line
03:25:20  <Stablean> <Anson> now all signals look ok
03:25:59  <Stablean> <Phillip> profits skyrocket...
03:26:42  <Stablean> <Anson> to improve the prio, you can extend it, so that trains further away from the merge point will already trigger it
03:27:32  <Stablean> <Anson> like !long prio
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03:28:35  <Phillip> Not again.
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03:30:12  <Stablean> <Anson> strange ... got network timeout message and my harddisk started to spin like crazy for a few moments
03:30:58  <Stablean> <Anson> do you see what i built at !long prio ?
03:34:58  <Stablean> <Phillip> yeah i do
03:35:26  <Stablean> <Anson> I'll destrioy it and you can build it yourself ... then trains will trigger the merging prio earlier
03:37:54  <Stablean> <Anson> connect to the side where incoming trains are ... left
03:38:36  <Stablean> <Anson> only connect to one rail, not both
03:40:28  <Stablean> <Anson> should be ok now
03:41:42  <Stablean> <Anson> it worked ... but with the speeds of trains, the prio might be even a bit longer to stop no train at all
03:42:01  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, now you can build another prio at "bad signals
03:42:08  <Stablean> <Phillip> depots in the way.
03:42:11  <Stablean> <Phillip> okj
03:42:17  <Stablean> <Anson> there is the same problem as you had at the other prio ...
03:44:31  <Stablean> <Phillip> i forgot
03:44:45  <Stablean> <Phillip> that there is a track connected already.
03:45:35  <Stablean> <Anson> now it should work
03:45:57  <Stablean> <Phillip> die maintaince depots.
03:46:15  <Stablean> <Anson> to not accidentally get trains into the logic lines, i always use 90degree connections if possible
03:47:53  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... works the same, butwith the other connection if ever a train should reverse direction, it might enter the logic and get stuck
03:49:03  <Stablean> <Anson> you now have the logic connected every two tiles ... it is only necessary to connect it so that a train always triggers it ... thus TL is needed
03:49:15  <Stablean> <Anson> but more connections don't hurt
03:53:23  <Stablean> <Anson> LOL ... now you have an extremely long prio ... it probably will cause almost no trains on the right track to enter ....
03:54:58  <Stablean> <Phillip> playing around with prios.
03:56:53  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... that is the best method to learn ... don't ask me how long it took until i did the combo sighnals right (instead of exit/entry, and in the right direction .... :-)
03:57:19  <Stablean> <Phillip> I can tell right away from you saying that.
03:57:41  <Stablean> <Anson> best method is to do it offline and use the pause button to study the signals of the prio step by step
03:58:35  <Stablean> <Phillip> Bye, see you or other people later tommorow  in the usual time. Morning in GMT -8.
03:58:37  <Stablean> <Phillip> ok
03:59:08  <Stablean> <Anson> when you have a split for different directions, just use normal block signals
03:59:31  <Stablean> <Anson> at "useless", there are exit signals ... don't hurt here, but make no sense either
04:00:18  <Stablean> <Anson> when you have entry and exit signals, you increase the gap, and that will hurt ... thus normal block signals are better
04:00:57  <Stablean> <Anson> and more useless exit signals :-)
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04:04:14  <Stablean> <Anson> WB
04:18:03  <Stablean> <Player> anyone know why I got banned while I was away?
04:18:08  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to I
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04:19:07  <Stablean> <Anson> as far as i remember the company, someone else had played on that company and was banned
04:19:29  <Stablean> <I> I was the only one playing it
04:19:35  <Stablean> <I> I even had it passworded
04:19:45  <Stablean> <I> still someone else played it?
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04:20:42  <Stablean> <I> Yeah that player is me
04:21:05  <Stablean> <I> no I am the same guy
04:21:23  <Stablean> <Anson> if it is you, then you now know that the admins don't like such names
04:21:57  <Stablean> <I> its just funny
04:22:07  <Stablean> <I> how you have to do what the admin "likes"
04:22:13  <Stablean> <I> its just a name
04:22:23  <Stablean> <Anson> i had written to you several times, but you didn't respond ... AFK ? ... and then some admin asked you to change the name, still no answer
04:22:26  <Stablean> <I> it doesnt come with any insults attached
04:22:50  <Stablean> <I> no I understand that
04:22:52  <Stablean> <I> I was AFK
04:22:58  <Stablean> <I> that's why I couldnt answer
04:23:06  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't find the name funny, and the admins don't either ... ask them yourself, if you want
04:23:23  <Stablean> <I> it is not meant to be funny
04:23:27  <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, people should spectate when they are AFK for some longer time
04:23:28  <Stablean> <I> its just a name
04:24:06  <Stablean> <I> I will do that next time I go afk
04:24:48  <Stablean> <Anson> if there are no players playing, the game automatically pauses ... but when people go AFK, it continues, jams may happen, and the date is advanced uselessly, skipping the arrival of new engines, etc
04:25:10  <Stablean> <I> aah yes
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04:27:09  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: although it might not strictly be against the rules, names like PIayer (with upper i instead of lower L) are not liked too much either ... it's only a minor thing for you to select a nice name, and i think even "I" is better liked by many than the "PIayer"
04:27:40  <Stablean> <I> well thats what I dont like
04:27:43  <Stablean> <I> rules are rules
04:27:49  <Stablean> <I> you follow them or not
04:28:03  <Stablean> <I> this business of "being liked by admins"
04:28:13  <Stablean> <I> it seems silly
04:28:28  <Stablean> <Anson> the first rule of this sever is to work nicely together ... else they could write rues like other games
04:28:47  <Stablean> <I> I totally agree with that sentiment
04:28:54  <Stablean> <I> and I do play nice with others
04:29:14  <Stablean> <I> but what gets to me is that admins ban simply because of a name
04:29:37  <Stablean> <Anson> in other games, you have to read 20 pages "rules of conduct", 5 pages of "naming conventions and allowed names", etc
04:29:38  <Stablean> <I> simply because it had the word "hitler" in it
04:30:20  <Stablean> <I> and you are telling me that in those 20 pages, "hitler" is a banned word?
04:30:36  <Stablean> <I> its just silly when people get offended by the silliest things
04:30:47  <Stablean> <Anson> that's the point ... many people don't think that that name is "simply a name", and are at least annoyed by it
04:31:15  <Stablean> <I> well let me tell you something
04:31:21  <Stablean> <I> if the real world ran like this
04:31:28  <Stablean> <I> we would have anarchy
04:31:41  <Stablean> <I> there would be only a single majority
04:31:47  <Stablean> <I> with no sense of dissent
04:31:55  <Stablean> <I> we would be in the dark ages
04:32:58  <Stablean> <Anson> look up what anarchy means
04:33:12  <Stablean> <I> state of lawlessness
04:33:15  <Stablean> <I> I know what it means
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04:33:56  <Stablean> <I> the world exists today only because
04:34:14  <Stablean> <I> people are forced to tolerate people who they dont like
04:34:48  <Stablean> <I> We could just simply kill off people we dont like
04:34:58  <Stablean> <I> which, ironically is what hitler did in the first place
04:44:25  <Stablean> <Anson> here is an address to read a sample naming policy of other games :
04:44:26  <Webster> Title: Naming Policy - Support (at
04:46:17  <Stablean> <Anson> Inappropriate - This category includes both clear and masked names which: Have racial/ethnic/national connotations, etc etc etc, Are otherwise considered inappropriate for the game world
04:46:32  <Stablean> <Anson> there are 3-4 pages of details
04:46:46  <Stablean> <I> yeah I can see that
04:46:53  <Stablean> <I> but those rules are not for this server
04:46:59  <Stablean> <Anson> and in the end, it boils down to "the admin decides what is appropriate or not"
04:47:21  <Stablean> <I> yes by due process
04:47:55  <Stablean> <Anson> rules for this server are easier : you didn't pay anything, the server belongs to someone, he can tell what he doesn't like (or have a few friends doing that admin work while he is not online 24/7)
04:48:49  <Stablean> <I> I am not debating the power of admins to do whatever they like
04:48:51  <Stablean> <Anson> a big company which sells a game, has to be more formal
04:49:21  <Stablean> <I> I just dissent to the idea that admin's decisions are based on what he/she "likes"
04:49:43  <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then what are you talking about ? an admin first asked you to change the name, you didn't reply for some time, and then were banned
04:50:15  <Stablean> <Anson> shall i use some legalese terms instead of simply saying "they don't like it"
04:50:15  <Stablean> <I> if an admin asked you to change your name
04:50:21  <Stablean> <I> would you not protest?
04:50:47  <Stablean> <I> the first thing you would ask "What's wrong with my name"
04:50:58  <Stablean> <I> wouldnt you?
04:51:12  <Stablean> <Anson> i might ask why, but when i am told that a name is controversial and should be changed, i would either do it or leave the server
04:51:32  <Stablean> <Anson> you were asked to change the name, you didn't do it, and then were banned
04:51:42  <Stablean> <I> say if the admin asks you to change your name "Anson"
04:51:49  <Stablean> <I> because it is controversial
04:52:03  <Stablean> <I> I have a hard time believing you wouldn't put up a fight
04:52:41  <Stablean> <Anson> what i just said : i would ask why, then either change or leave ... you were asked to "please change the controversial name", didn't answer, and then were banned
04:52:51  <Stablean> <I> that's fine
04:52:59  <Stablean> <I> I did change my name didn't I?
04:53:30  <Stablean> <I> what I dont like is you telling me that names like "I" and "Piayer" are unacceptable
04:53:36  <Stablean> <I> not because they are controversial
04:53:43  <Stablean> <I> but simply because the admins dont like it
04:53:45  <Stablean> <Anson> i am speaking of the cat
04:53:55  <Stablean> <Anson> you said that you were that player ...
04:54:03  <Stablean> <I> I am that player
04:54:13  <Stablean> <I> and I did change my name
04:54:19  <Stablean> <I> but that is as far as I will go
04:54:45  <Stablean> <Anson> tonight when you were banned, you did NOT change the name, but didn't answer
04:54:59  <Stablean> <I> I was AFK
04:55:02  <Stablean> <I> when I returned, I changed the name
04:55:41  <Stablean> <Anson> first you were asked to "change the controversial name", then were moved from active to spactators, then still didn't react, and THEN were banned
04:55:55  <Stablean> <I> that is fine
04:56:06  <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then why are you complaining now ?
04:56:28  <Stablean> <I> you just said sometime ago
04:56:42  <Stablean> <I> that names like "Player" and "I" are not liked by the admins
04:56:52  <Stablean> <I> which is when this whole conversation started
04:57:14  <Stablean> <I> so what if they dont like these names?
04:57:22  <Stablean> <I> it is not controversial
04:57:25  <Stablean> <I> it is not offensive
04:58:15  <Stablean> <Anson> with "PIayer", it is not a controversial name, but they don't want to have people come here and play anonymously. too many people are trying to play as "Player", and who doesn't want or can't change that name can't play here ... a first filter against kiddies which like to flatten the entire world etc
05:00:14  <Stablean> <Anson> all the other games state "This includes both clear and masked names which...." and PIayer is a masked version of Player
05:01:01  <Stablean> <Anson> the same would apply to "Playér" and other variants too
05:01:27  <Stablean> <Anson> is it really that hard to select another name ?
05:01:39  <Stablean> <I> of course not
05:01:55  <Stablean> <Anson> then why do you fight for that name ?
05:02:09  <Stablean> <I> On a matter of principle
05:03:03  <Stablean> <I> but you know what?
05:03:05  <Stablean> <I> forget it
05:03:16  <Stablean> <I> because it is not even worth it to fight for this here
05:03:18  <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then the owner of the server and his friends/admins will probably also make a statement of principle: who annoys them won't play here
05:03:48  <Stablean> <I> well there you have it
05:03:59  <Stablean> <I> do you see the irony now?
05:04:09  <Stablean> <I> hitler basically said the same thing
05:04:15  <Stablean> <I> people annoyed him
05:04:17  <Stablean> <I> he killed them
05:04:27  <Stablean> <I> players annoy admins
05:04:30  <Stablean> <I> admins ban them
05:04:37  <Stablean> <I> there is really no difference
05:04:59  <Stablean> <I> the irony is that admins are annoyed by someone named "hitler"
05:05:02  <Stablean> <I> that is all
05:05:21  <Stablean> <Anson> i see no irony ... when i am invuited to some strangers appartment to watch TV there, HE has the right to select what to see, and HE has the right to kick me when i misbehave
05:05:39  <Stablean> <I> that is true
05:05:47  <Stablean> *** Anson has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.)
05:05:55  <Stablean> <I> but what is in question is what constitutes "misbehavior"
05:06:21  <Stablean> <I> if the host can arbitrarily decide what "misbehavior" is
05:06:39  <Stablean> <I> then no different from hitler
05:07:05  <Stablean> <I> its not an issue specifically with the server
05:07:08  <Stablean> <Anson> do you really mean that ????? you just said : people annoyed hitler and he killed them - players annoy admins and they ban them - THERE IS REALLY NO DIFFERENCE !!!! - do you really mean that ??????
05:07:10  <Stablean> <I> or anything
05:07:40  <Stablean> <I> of course
05:07:42  <Stablean> <I> it is the same thing
05:07:48  <Stablean> <I> except
05:07:54  <Stablean> <I> in one situation, one has less power
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05:08:35  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, kondi
05:09:14  <Stablean> <I> This issue is not just about this server
05:09:24  <Stablean> <I> infact this server is not the issue at all
05:09:30  <Stablean> <I> but people in real life behave like this sometimes
05:11:08  <Stablean> <Anson> the issue is that you are free to leave without harm. if you don't like someone or someone's server, you don't need to stay. But if someone doesn't agree with a dictator, he has no choice.
05:11:32  <Stablean> <I> that is true
05:11:58  <Stablean> <I> it is sad for those people stuck under dictators
05:12:16  <Stablean> <I> these people for whom death is the only release
05:12:18  <Stablean> <Anson> and saying that "to follow what a host asks from you when you are invited for free" is the same as killing millions of people, ....
05:13:05  <Stablean> <I> the situations are of course not identical
05:13:19  <Stablean> <I> we are talking about lives vs internet game
05:13:29  <Stablean> <I> of course they are magnitudes apart
05:13:39  <Stablean> <I> but you can clearly draw some parallels
05:14:02  <Stablean> <I> when you disregard all the subjective biases associated with hitler and the whole holocaust
05:14:24  <Stablean> <I> what it comes down to  is that he didnt like certain groups of people
05:14:27  <Stablean> <I> so he had them eliminated
05:14:37  <Stablean> <Anson> you said "there is really no difference" between "killing people who don't agree" and "banning people who annoy players and admins"
05:14:56  <Stablean> <I> I stand corrected
05:15:14  <Stablean> <I> what I meant was that the essence of the two situations are really no different
05:15:28  <Stablean> <Anson> but you see now that it is a controversial name ....
05:15:48  <Stablean> <I> I dont agree with that
05:16:12  <Stablean> <Anson> and you only were politely asked to change that name (at first), and were banned when you didn't react to several warnings
05:16:15  <Stablean> <I> But I do agree with your point that the owner is free to do whatever he wants
05:17:23  <Stablean> <Anson> a dictator takes the freedom to do whaever he wants and nobody can evade. a server admin has the right to invite only friends and you are free to leave and go to another server without harm
05:17:43  <Stablean> <I> that is all fine
05:19:26  <Stablean> <I> also, to set the record straight
05:19:48  <Stablean> <I> I dont have any hard feelings that the admins banned me
05:20:00  <Stablean> <I> its just that I dont agree with the process of making these decisions
05:23:38  <Stablean> <Anson> decision process was easy : you were here yesterday with that name, then changed it (to Hit and not something else like Cat, which made your argument invalid that the cat was not bad and why not use it as name), then came back tonight with the same old name, then didn't react to messages, were kicked from active to spectator to wake you up, were asked politely again, still didn't react, then were banned ... what else do you
05:24:02  <Stablean> <I> wait
05:24:06  <Stablean> <I> whats wrong with Hit?
05:24:21  <Stablean> <Anson> are you trolling me ?
05:24:31  <Stablean> <I> no I am serious
05:24:46  <Stablean> <Anson> are you 10 or younger ?
05:25:02  <Stablean> <I> no
05:25:20  <Stablean> <I> Now you're trolling me
05:25:34  <Stablean> <Anson> you tried to explain that the CAT was not the evil one, and then didn't change the name to CAT, but to an abbreviation of the other name ....
05:26:04  <Stablean> <I> yes but apparently the Cat was evil
05:26:14  <Stablean> <I> evil enough to get banned
05:26:28  <Stablean> <I> But "Hit" is simply a word
05:26:54  <Stablean> <I> now do you see the silliness?
05:27:00  <Stablean> <Anson> if you would have logged in with "Hit" as name, nobody would have said anything, perfectly ok when you don't tell what "Hit" stands for ... but with the old name, it was clear what "Hit" stood for
05:27:38  <Stablean> <I> Oh so now in your mind, "Hit" would mean "Hitler" ?
05:27:46  <Stablean> <I> Come on now
05:28:20  <Stablean> <Anson> when you are asked to remove hitler from your nickname and then rename yourself to hit ... what should people think of that ?
05:28:40  <Stablean> <I> They should think that I complied with the admin's request
05:28:43  <Stablean> <I> and leave it at that
05:28:57  <Stablean> <I> "Hit"  is by no means a controversial name
05:29:15  <Stablean> <I> Next you are going to tell me that I cant name myself "H"
05:29:22  <Stablean> <I> cause "H" is short for "Hit"
05:29:28  <Stablean> <I> which is short for "Hitler"
05:29:38  <Stablean> <Anson> try telling that at daytime when more people are around, or an admin is awake, and you will get banned in all incarnations, as hit, as cat, as piayer, and as i ....
05:29:50  <Stablean> <I> yeah see
05:29:54  <Stablean> <I> Right there
05:30:01  <Stablean> <I> Right there is what is wrong
05:30:16  <Stablean> <I> I have been playing on this server for a few games now
05:30:22  <Stablean> <I> I have been polite
05:30:28  <Stablean> <I> I have followed the rules
05:30:32  <Stablean> <I> I have changed by name
05:30:43  <Stablean> <I> and now we are having a conversation
05:30:58  <Stablean> <I> and you claim that I will be banned simply because I disagree with youj
05:31:04  <Stablean> <I> Right there is the problem
05:31:22  <Stablean> <I> and I dont mean here
05:31:25  <Stablean> <I> I mean the whole world
05:31:38  <Stablean> <I> Do you get what I mean now?
05:31:46  <Stablean> <Anson> Hit (without context) is not controversial, and you were not kicked yesterday after you had changed your name to that ... but it added up to tonight when you didn't change the long version which you had chosen again when you logged in
05:32:16  <Stablean> <I> You cannot be seriously telling me that you have a problem with the name "Hit"
05:32:54  <Stablean> <Anson> you were NOT banned because you named yourself Hit yesterday. you were banned because you didn't change the full name tonight
05:33:05  <Stablean> <I> a
05:33:15  <Stablean> <I> yeah I and I am okay with that
05:33:25  <Stablean> <I> Yeah and I am okay with that
05:33:51  <Stablean> <I> But you just said you have a problem with the name "Hit"
05:34:14  <Stablean> <Anson> when deciding whether to kick you, ban you, or wait a little more, the fact added to the decision that yesterday, you had renamed yourself, but in contrast to what you said (the cat was not bad) you renamed yourself to an abbreviaion of the full name
05:34:17  <Stablean> <I> which is what I was responding to
05:34:55  <Stablean> <Anson> when someone names himself hit without any context, i have no problem with that name
05:35:01  <Stablean> <I> Well "hit" is a word
05:35:09  <Stablean> <I> If you go say "hit" on the street
05:35:20  <Stablean> <I> absolutly no one would think it meant "hitler"
05:35:26  <Stablean> <Anson> but when someone is told to not use hitler in the username and then renames himself to an abbreviation of that name, it is something different
05:35:28  <Stablean> <I> You said I have a controversial name
05:35:30  <Stablean> <I> I renamed it
05:35:32  <Stablean> <I> what more do you want?
05:35:42  <Stablean> <I> I am following the rules here
05:36:24  <Stablean> <Anson> stop trolling ... tinight you did NOT change your name, and tnight you were banned ... don't start mixing up that you changed the name yesterday and were banned today
05:36:34  <Stablean> <I> forget about tonight
05:36:38  <Stablean> <I> I got banned tonight
05:36:44  <Stablean> <I> I dont deny that
05:36:50  <Stablean> <I> nor do I protest the ban
05:37:00  <Stablean> <I> The ban is fine by me
05:37:10  <Stablean> <I> in fact, If I was here instead of being AFK
05:37:17  <Stablean> <I> I would have changed my name immediately
05:37:21  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... and you were not banned yesterday when you changed your name ... and you were not banned as Piayer and not as "I" either ... so wat do you want ?
05:37:23  <Stablean> <I> just like I did last night
05:37:34  <Stablean> <I> I dont want anything
05:37:37  <Stablean> <I> What do you want?
05:37:47  <Stablean> <I> You are the one who stated that you dont like the name "Hit"
05:38:58  <Stablean> <Anson> i always stated that i don't like the name "hit" when it is a name change (abbreviation) from the name you shouldn't use
05:39:25  <Stablean> <I> it is just a word
05:39:31  <Stablean> <I> You hit something
05:39:37  <Stablean> <Anson> i always stated that someone entering the server and naming himself hit without that context would be ok
05:40:07  <Stablean> *** I has left the game (leaving)
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05:40:23  <Stablean> <Hit> how about now?
05:40:31  <Stablean> <Hit> No context here
05:40:41  <Stablean> <Anson> if you are telling that using half a name that you shouldn't use would be ok, you are trolling
05:41:11  <Stablean> <Hit> I dont know what to tell you
05:41:17  <Stablean> <Anson> after that discussion, there is still a context ....
05:41:27  <Stablean> <Hit> Every name is bound to be half a word of something offensive
05:41:39  <Stablean> *** Hit has changed his/her name to I
05:41:47  <Stablean> <I> You cant just ban every single word
05:41:53  <Stablean> <Anson> and the discussion we had was not about hit, or changing your name yesterday, but it was because you asked why you were banned
05:42:07  <Stablean> <I> and you told me why
05:42:14  <Stablean> <I> and I accepted the ban
05:42:25  <Stablean> <I> even though I disagreed with the process
05:42:29  <Stablean> <I> which is fine
05:42:40  <Stablean> <I> Disagreement is good in a community
05:42:50  <Stablean> <I> I dont have a problem with that
05:43:01  <Stablean> <I> we didn't start talking about "Hit" until you brought it up
05:43:13  <Stablean> <Anson> no ... you tried to find arguments that they shouldn't have banned you, you mixed up last night and tonight, you stated that killing millions and banning someone here would be the same, etc etc etc
05:43:47  <Stablean> <I> I protested to the decision making process
05:43:53  <Stablean> <I> If I had a problem with the ban
05:44:00  <Stablean> <I> I would have spoken to an admin
05:44:03  <Stablean> <I> directly
05:44:18  <Stablean> <I> the comparison was merely to point out the irony
05:44:40  <Stablean> <kondi97[PL]> help me I need money
05:44:55  <Stablean> *** I has joined company #8
05:45:27  <Stablean> <I> look I have been playing on this server for a few games now
05:45:33  <Stablean> <I> I have followed all the rules
05:45:39  <Stablean> <Anson> kondi, you only have 280k$ load, but you may have up to 1 million $ loan ... just borrow more m,oney
05:45:39  <Stablean> <kondi97[PL]> sorry
05:45:45  <Stablean> <I> you asked me to change my name last night
05:45:47  <Stablean> <I> I did
05:46:15  <Stablean> <I> we are just having a discussion here
05:46:33  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... you did, and thus there was no more problem last night ... you were not banned and no big discussion
05:47:19  <Stablean> <Anson> the problem is that you used that same name again tonight, and admin asked you to change it and you did NOT change it ... and thus were banned
05:47:37  <Stablean> <I> first of all, I used the name because it had been defaulted
05:47:47  <Stablean> <Anson> and later started a discussion why you were banned and that that decision process was unfair etc
05:47:53  <Stablean> <I> Because I forgot to change it last night after I left the game
05:48:13  <Stablean> <Anson> then default another less controversial name, or change the name as soon as you are ingame
05:48:28  <Stablean> <I> I forgot about it
05:48:32  <Stablean> <I> so I got banned
05:48:38  <Stablean> <I> I paid for it
05:48:41  <Stablean> <I> now what more do you want?
05:48:51  <Stablean> <I> I am not allowed to say that the process was unfair?
05:49:01  <Stablean> <Anson> nothing more than that you accept it and don't d it again
05:49:03  <Stablean> <I> I am just expressing my opinion here
05:49:27  <Stablean> <I> Well you dont tell me to do anything
05:49:45  <Stablean> <I> If you ask, I will consider it
05:49:53  <Stablean> <I> If the admin asks, I will do it
05:50:16  <Stablean> <Anson> who forgot to change the name ? who went AFK ? who didn't answer the admins ? it was all you ...
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05:50:29  <Stablean> <I> You are just beating the dead horse here
05:50:35  <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long)
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05:50:39  <Stablean> <I> I agree that I did all that
05:50:39  <Stablean> <Anson> yesterday, i only gave you the hint to change it, and didn't call an admin
05:50:42  <Stablean> <I> So I got banned
05:50:53  <Stablean> <Anson> tonight, the admins noticed it themselves and tried talking to you
05:50:57  <Stablean> <I> So I paid for it
05:50:59  <Stablean> <I> now it is even
05:51:01  <Stablean> <I> what now?
05:51:16  <Stablean> <I> Again, If I was not AFK, I would have complied immediately
05:51:47  <Stablean> <I> Expressing my opinion that the process is unfair is different from not complying to the admin
05:51:48  <Stablean> <Anson> now you know that you shouldn't use that name, no matter whether an admin is online or not ...
05:51:59  <Stablean> <I> that is where we disagree
05:52:13  <Stablean> <I> I think the original name was perfectly fine
05:52:23  <Stablean> <I> no cat harmed anyone
05:52:49  <Stablean> <I> But you didn't like it, so i chaned
05:52:59  <Stablean> <I> changed
05:53:05  <Stablean> <Anson> as i said : try teling that when someone else is listening or an admin reads the chatlog .....
05:53:17  <Stablean> <I> and what?
05:53:20  <Stablean> <I> what would happen?
05:53:30  <Stablean> <I> they would ban me for expressing my opinion?
05:53:45  <Stablean> <I> I assure you, they would not
05:53:56  <Stablean> <I> the admins are not immature like that
05:54:27  <Stablean> <I> and I dont know why you feel that talking about this
05:54:33  <Stablean> <I> is going to get me banned
05:54:59  <Stablean> <Anson> if you tell them that the long name is fine and you use it, you will get banned
05:55:21  <Stablean> <I> well the point is that I did NOT use it
05:55:44  <Stablean> <I> If I was not afk, I would have changed immediately today
05:55:53  <Stablean> <I> but I was, so I was
05:55:55  <Stablean> <I> banned
05:56:05  <Stablean> <I> fair deal
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05:56:28  <Stablean> <I> but that has nothing to do with the fact that I disagree with it
05:56:36  <Stablean> <I> and now we are just having a discussion about it
05:56:47  <Stablean> <I> and now you claim that if the admins read this, I would be banned
05:56:57  <Stablean> <I> why? Simply because I talked about it?
05:57:08  <Stablean> <I> That is non-sense
05:57:38  <Stablean> <Anson> if you reapeat what you said, like "the original name was ok", or "killing = banning", etc
05:57:58  <Stablean> <I> you still dont understand what I am trying to say
05:58:11  <Stablean> <I> when I express an opinion on a public forum such as this
05:58:29  <Stablean> <I> any reasonable person who is conducting the forum would allow it
05:58:40  <Stablean> <I> after all, I am following all the rules
05:59:35  <Stablean> <I> no reasonable person would ban simply because I dont agree with him/her
05:59:35  <Stablean> <Anson> this should be an ingame means of discussion about game related things (mostly), not a public forum for discussions about poltics, server organization, cats, and wheher holocaust is the same as banning people from private servers
05:59:57  <Stablean> <I> well isnt that exactly what we are doing right now?
06:00:07  <Stablean> <I> We are just talking here
06:00:57  <Stablean> <Anson> until recently, we were solo here (besides people reading IRC) ... that's why i said "when more people are here"
06:01:17  <Stablean> <I> Even if there were 1000 people here
06:01:35  <Stablean> <I> each and every one of them is entitled to their opinion
06:02:09  <Stablean> <I> look I am not trying to be hostile here
06:02:11  <Stablean> <Anson> then this discussion would be inappropriate and do harm to the intended use (playing and discussing elemnts of the game)
06:02:21  <Stablean> <I> and I am not some crazy holocaust denier
06:02:49  <Stablean> <I> Well it takes two to have a discussion
06:03:07  <Stablean> <I> If you do not wish to have it, then dont have it
06:03:14  <Stablean> <kondi97[PL]> bey
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08:08:39  <Stablean> <ACM> nope
08:08:41  <Stablean> <ACM> oh yes
08:09:07  <Stablean> <I> what do you need?
08:09:10  <Stablean> <I> maybe I can help
08:09:20  <Stablean> <ACM> So if I want to bankrupt my company, just run ships.
08:09:31  <Stablean> <I> yes
08:09:37  <Stablean> <I> but ships are disabled
08:09:59  <Stablean> <ACM> Well how are you supposed to bankrupt a company then>
08:09:59  <Stablean> <ACM> ?
08:10:02  <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to start over, just have no vehicles and join spectators ... unused companies will be sold soon
08:10:25  <Stablean> <ACM> Okay.
08:10:59  <Stablean> <Anson> I, how are ships disabled ?
08:11:09  <Stablean> <I> oh
08:11:23  <Stablean> <I> I thought they were
08:11:25  <Stablean> <I> Strange
08:11:36  <Stablean> <Anson> they are only discouraged by bein very costly, and the limit is 5 ships per company
08:11:46  <Stablean> <I> I couldnt build a depot before
08:11:49  <Stablean> <I> Maybe i was a spectator then
08:11:52  <Stablean> <I> my bad
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08:12:16  <Stablean> <Anson> just built a depo ... no problem
08:12:22  <Stablean> <I> Yeah
08:12:40  <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving)
08:12:40  <Stablean> <I> I was seeing things
08:12:48  <Stablean> <I> that werent there
08:13:18  <Stablean> <Anson> ships and planes are discouraged in all normal games on this server (last game was a server reset with some default parameters)
08:13:52  <Stablean> <I> well its no easy task running them
08:13:58  <Stablean> <I> They have huge operating costs
08:14:13  <Stablean> <Anson> planes are relatively for this server) cheap this time : 500 million to buy a concorde and only(!) 40 million running costs
08:14:28  <Stablean> <I> lol
08:14:34  <Stablean> <I> and that is cheap
08:14:36  <Stablean> <I> okay
08:15:19  <Stablean> <Anson> normal prices for ships and planes are something like buying at normal prices or up to 500 millions, and running costs 500 millions
08:15:45  <Stablean> <Anson> thus 40 mil running costs is "relatively cheap" :-)
08:16:05  <Stablean> <I> yeah
08:18:47  <Stablean> <Anson> with bigger networks and after 2000, you can earn 100+ mil, and huge networks at 2100 "easily"earn 1 billion ....
08:19:10  <Stablean> <I> per year?
08:19:26  <Stablean> <Anson> thus they can afford to buy two concorde per year, and pay running costs for 25 of them ...
08:20:04  <Stablean> <I> but I guess you need like 500 trains for that no?
08:21:38  <Stablean> <Anson> i had a network (offline) with 300+ trains, going across the whole map (1000+ tiles) ... several iron mines with max production (2000+), then steel and then goods, everything with fast trains and long distance
08:22:57  <Stablean> <I> I had this one game I played under TTDPatch
08:23:15  <Stablean> <I> I spent a couple of years on that single game I think
08:23:33  <Stablean> <I> not everyday gaming. But every weekend or so
08:23:53  <Stablean> <I> That is the only time I made a network that was really large
08:24:09  <Stablean> <I> I had a factory going at 25k goods delivered
08:24:19  <Stablean> <Anson> just imagine my company ... earning 4+ mil now ... in 100+ years, with trains 3 times as fast and twice the cargo, resources producing 5-10 times as much ....
08:24:45  <Stablean> <I> yeah
08:25:00  <Stablean> <Anson> i read somewhere that something like 25k cargo would be the max possible
08:25:18  <Stablean> <I> is that like a coding limit?
08:25:28  <Stablean> <I> or a dynamic limit?
08:25:36  <Stablean> <I> like limited by game mechanics?
08:25:50  <Stablean> <Anson> some PBS game with the goal to get 100k cargo ... succeeded in 2100+
08:26:20  <Stablean> <Anson> there is some production limit per tile ... for a factory it would be 27k total
08:26:30  <Stablean> <I> I see
08:26:32  <Stablean> <Anson> but probably depends on the GRFs too
08:35:27  <Stablean> <Anson> let's see how upgrading my very old trains works ... still was using trains from 1944 with 130 kph and 1st gen wagons ... now 160 kph, doubled power, 50% more TE, and 50% more cargo capacity ...
08:36:45  <Stablean> <I> what is the relationship between TE, HP and acceleration?
08:37:11  <Stablean> <I> TE is the torque produced right?
08:37:21  <Stablean> <Anson> you need enough power to reach the maximum speed, and you need lots of TE to have good acceleration
08:37:35  <Stablean> <I> I see
08:37:39  <Stablean> <I> So TE is like torque in cars
08:38:26  <Stablean> <Anson> the trains with the most power and TE are "strong", but they are slowest ... and the fast trains have some power to get speed, but almost no TE
08:38:48  <Stablean> <I> gotcha
08:39:26  <Stablean> <Anson> thus fast trains are best suited for light cargo and long distance where they can accelerate slowly and then drive without interruptions ... thus crossings and merges have to be built carefully, with prios, etc
08:40:07  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
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08:40:31  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, as soon as we speak of the nice train set, V appears :-)
08:40:35  <Stablean> <V453000> :d
08:40:38  <Stablean> <V453000> just woke up
08:41:01  <Stablean> <I> this trainset is V's creation?
08:41:07  <Stablean> <ACM> Town grows every 284 days!?
08:41:29  <Stablean> <V453000> yes it is written in the newgrf info :p
08:41:39  <Stablean> <I> aah I see
08:41:46  <Stablean> <I> It is amazing
08:41:49  <Stablean> <V453000> thank you :)
08:41:51  <Stablean> <I> I love this trainset
08:41:57  <Stablean> <Anson> the universal wagons of the set are a blessing for refitting networks :-) ... see my company name :-)
08:42:20  <Stablean> <V453000> hehe
08:43:35  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, my income increased "a bit" after i upgraded old trains from 1944 (130 kph, 1st gen wagons) to the newest 160 kph and 2nd gen wagons
08:44:33  <Stablean> <Anson> V, you are still working on the graphics of trains ?
08:45:12  <Stablean> <Anson> at least at first and second sight, some engines have the same graphics, like zombie autopilot and thunder kiss
08:45:38  <Stablean> <Anson> or no control and spitfire
08:45:56  <Stablean> <V453000> oh sure I am
08:46:06  <Stablean> <V453000> just not as rapidly as in the beginning
08:46:12  <Stablean> <V453000> dont have that much time lately
08:46:26  <Stablean> <V453000> but right now I am redrawing local passenger trains
08:46:28  <Stablean> <V453000> for rail
08:46:36  <Stablean> <V453000> also they will have a new visual feature
08:46:46  <Stablean> <Anson> doesn't matter to have temporary duplicates ... as long as we know that you sometime will make them all different
08:46:58  <Stablean> <V453000> sometime, I will :)
08:47:09  <Stablean> <V453000> it takes an enormous amount of time
08:47:15  <Stablean> <Anson> "soon" (tm) .... :-)
08:47:29  <Stablean> <V453000> nah not even saying soon :)
08:47:44  <Stablean> <V453000> having each train unique is like almost the last priority
08:48:02  <Stablean> <V453000> but well not that many other things to do now
08:48:12  <Stablean> <V453000> after all, redrawing the rail local trains does exactly that ^^
08:48:46  <Stablean> <V453000> by the way Anson, your priority signals are turned the wrong way around
08:48:56  <Stablean> <V453000> ok with exceptions
08:49:15  <Stablean> <V453000> only on exit from Bondwood Forest
08:49:26  <Stablean> <V453000> and Rafingfield Fores
08:49:28  <Stablean> <V453000> t
08:49:46  <Stablean> <Anson> thanks
08:49:48  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway, I will be going :) enjoy
08:49:52  <Stablean> <Anson> fixed
08:50:00  <Stablean> <V453000> btw
08:50:11  <Stablean> <V453000> how much ridiculous are the colours of wagons now? :D
08:50:42  <Stablean> <V453000> when flatbeds and tankers are included in the colouring
08:50:45  <Stablean> <Anson> my cargo wagons are monocolored, don't hut the eye :-)
08:51:12  <Stablean> <V453000> using 1 cargo :D zz
08:52:07  <Stablean> <Anson> colorful reains are a nice feature, but i prefer having more equally colored trains ... maybe using one different color for every pickup would be nice, but not random
08:53:41  <Stablean> <Anson> that also would concern refitting ... would be nice to have two options to select from when giving refit orders ... one for the type and one for the color, eg "oil, with same color", or "same cargo with green"
08:53:55  <Stablean> <V453000> each cargo = 1 colour
08:54:01  <Stablean> <V453000> myeah
08:54:12  <Stablean> <V453000> but for example steel turns into flatbed
08:54:18  <Stablean> <V453000> that isnt a problem? :D
08:54:30  <Stablean> <V453000> and yes, refit is regarded as in for example steel is like blue hoppers -> blue flatbeds
08:54:32  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i am only dreaming ... no real suggestion sine that would be lots of work, probably also lots of work in the program itself
08:54:35  <Stablean> <V453000> :P
08:55:01  <Stablean> <V453000> but I understand that the unity of colours point
08:55:07  <Stablean> <V453000> it is a bit of a parrot now
08:55:21  <Stablean> <V453000> but idk I dont mind it :D
08:55:52  <Stablean> <Anson> on some other network, i marked trains by putting the second engine behind the first wagon for the first pickup, behind the second wagon for the second pickup, etc ...
08:56:06  <Stablean> <Anson> would be nice to use different colors for that purpose
08:56:44  <Stablean> <Anson> and thus i had the idea that trains would have to be refitted with orders "different cargo, but same color"
08:56:54  <Stablean> <V453000> ah yes
08:57:00  <Stablean> <V453000> well that is a lot of pain indeed :)
08:57:06  <Stablean> <Anson> or "same cargo, but different color"
08:57:16  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah would need additional refit options, like pax trains
08:57:24  <Stablean> <V453000> which ... would be more annoying than gaining I think
08:57:50  <Stablean> <V453000> either way, thanks for feedback, I have to run away
08:57:52  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
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08:58:46  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, with the new trains, income went from 4.0 M$ to 6.5 M$
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09:22:40  <Stablean> <ACM> Okay. I'm bored now.
09:22:55  <Stablean> <ACM> I'm just going to nuke my company now.
09:26:05  <Stablean> <ACM> Hey, what dock type is that?
09:26:20  <Stablean> <ACM> Oh, new version of CHIPS.
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09:31:15  <Stablean> <I> wow my income skyrocketted after I turned on goods
09:31:29  <Stablean> <lolwut> anyone wants to take over my company?
09:31:36  <Stablean> <lolwut> 78 million €
09:31:46  <Stablean> <lolwut> otherwise im just going to build a boat
09:31:50  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, green dropped a bit ... just looking at the graph :-)
09:32:09  <Stablean> <I> I do like your island
09:32:27  <Stablean> <I> but I think ima call it a night
09:32:30  <Stablean> <I> gnite guys
09:32:36  <Stablean> <Supremacy> bye
09:32:36  <Stablean> <Anson> lolwut ... there are still 4 slots free for new companies ... you can come back later ...
09:32:46  <Stablean> <lolwut> nah, i dont like this round
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09:33:02  <Stablean> <lolwut> wont come back
09:33:52  <Stablean> <lolwut> bankrupcy here u come
09:33:58  <Stablean> <lolwut> 62
09:34:05  <Stablean> <lolwut> 55
09:34:16  <Stablean> <lolwut> 45
09:34:26  <Stablean> <lolwut> just dont buy it ppl
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11:58:14  <Mazur> !neer
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12:13:40  <Stablean> <:)> hi
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12:29:06  <Stablean> <Supremacy> happy, you've got some problems with tracks. Not all of them are electrified
12:29:28  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  yep    i am up  grading  my  trans
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13:54:07  <Stablean> <ROM5419> f***ing AVP.exe
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14:11:27  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hello all
14:11:30  <Stablean> <ROM5419> hi
14:11:40  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi
14:11:43  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Rom, You're back ?
14:11:49  <Stablean> <ROM5419> erm... what?
14:12:03  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I think you were ban by V
14:12:11  <Stablean> <ROM5419> of course im banned
14:12:18  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> and ?
14:12:28  <Stablean> <ROM5419> from being online when he's online.
14:12:39  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ok ... xD
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14:17:06  <Stablean> <ROM5419> gtg in 5 mins
14:17:33  <Stablean> <ROM5419> syl59, do you wanna co-op with me? :D
14:17:47  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> xD I think I want to coop with happy
14:17:50  <Stablean> <ROM5419> ok
14:17:52  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> If he is agree x)
14:18:02  <Stablean> <ROM5419> happy just GG adi
14:18:48  <Stablean> <ROM5419> and my personal dictatorship is now 40% megalopolis, 40% rainforest, 20% desert :D
14:19:12  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> xDD
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14:21:34  <Stablean> <ROM5419> btw, its not THAT easy to get banned... bad publicity and dont forget the karma meter
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14:38:25  <Stablean> <ROM5419> ok, gtg
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15:19:40  <Stablean> <lolwut> lol, noone took over my island?
15:34:27  <Stablean> <Phillip> I'm starting to know how prios are built and work. Thanks to Anson for the fixes.
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18:12:23  <Stablean> <Phillip> Hi Dom.
18:12:30  <Stablean> <Dom> hey phil
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18:47:30  <Stablean> <Liuk Sk> hi
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19:03:21  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi
19:03:31  <Stablean> <Lucas/CZE/> hi
19:03:34  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
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19:04:56  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> why would someone run a bus on my island?
19:04:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> :(
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19:17:59  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>   hi all
19:18:01  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
19:18:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi happy tran sport
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19:20:57  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>  how things  going
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19:51:48  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> aaa :D  tnx
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20:01:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> wb Dnz-Ali
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20:12:34  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> any can help?Destroy hospital in Pondhattan Ridge town
20:13:00  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> bang
20:13:03  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> Tnx
20:13:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> that will teach them for want to live
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20:21:34  <Stablean> <Phillip> Dave, you need money?
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20:34:57  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> jj
20:35:19  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ?
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21:25:27  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> chris cant up station lengh? now is 12 to set 15?
21:25:42  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Dnz-Ali: I am not an admin sorry
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21:33:43  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> bye Chris booth. i go sleep
21:33:51  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> bb Dnz-Ali
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21:57:05  <Stablean> <Dom> hey
21:57:09  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Dom hi
21:57:24  <Stablean> <Dom> how do you do ?
21:57:34  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> one does very well thank you
21:57:37  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> how about you?
21:58:03  <Stablean> <Dom> very good can't wait till tomorrow for a great music festival :)
21:58:13  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> where are you going?
21:58:39  <Stablean> <Dom> it is a small festival (6k) people in slovenia music: mostly ex-yu rock
21:58:58  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oooh
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