Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 25th July 2012:
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00:03:53  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
00:03:57  <Stablean> *** Dom joined the game
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00:04:54  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> dom  dont  start  a  cumpaney  ther  is  no  grf
00:12:36  <Stablean> *** Anson joined the game
00:12:51  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi  amson
00:12:58  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
00:13:24  <Stablean> <Anson> new game just loaded and not yet started ?
00:13:42  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ther  is  no  grf
00:14:00  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, then it was a server crash .... ?! :-(
00:15:00  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>   no  the  server    did  this  mape  if  no won  dus  a  mape
00:15:54  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>   but  i  have  tryto  call    for a  new  mape  but   nufing  hapernd
00:16:00  <Stablean> <Anson> if nobody did a new map, the server SHOULD run "forever" ... thus it must have been some kind of crash
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00:18:52  <Stablean> *** Anson has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.)
00:19:45  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo ... we have a default random map with no GRFs ... did the server crash ?
00:20:44  <Stablean> <Anson> the link to the IRC chat works ... if an admin wakes up or returns from AFK, he should be able to read this
00:21:04  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep
00:21:18  <Stablean> <Anson> do you know when it happened ?
00:21:52  <Stablean> <happy tran sport>   about  2  mints  i thinke
00:22:02  <Stablean> <Anson> i was here last night, and the game was already advanced to something like the year 2150 ....
00:23:24  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> will  the  server  yer  was  300  then   this mape   cums up
00:24:03  <Stablean> <Anson> 300 ?
00:30:34  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> will   i thnike  we  will  not  get  a  mape   to day
00:35:08  <Stablean> *** Dom has left the game (leaving)
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00:37:26  <Stablean> <Anson> "today" is relative ... for me, today will be another 21.5 hours :-)
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01:05:00  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> eney  way bed  time  have  fun  if the  new  mape cums  bb
01:05:34  <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving)
01:07:05  <Stablean> *** Berdal has started a new company (#1)
01:07:05  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
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01:07:29  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, berdal
01:16:22  <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game
01:16:40  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, phil
01:16:43  <Stablean> <Phillip> Oh not again.
01:16:45  <Stablean> <Phillip> hi
01:16:59  <Stablean> <Anson> berdal, are you listening ?
01:17:03  <Stablean> <Phillip> A non grf game... Again.
01:17:25  <Stablean> <Phillip> Hi Berdal and Anson.
01:17:27  <Stablean> <Anson> the server seems to have done a reset, maybe an hour ago, and thus we only have a default map, without GRFs
01:17:45  <Stablean> <Phillip> it happens all the time lately.
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01:18:27  <Stablean> <Anson> admins seem to be AFK, and thus we wuill stay with this map for a bit until someone loads another map with grfs and the usual parameters
01:18:45  <Stablean> <Phillip> I hope people won't come because this map is SMALL SMALL SMALL.
01:19:01  <Stablean> <Anson> last night, it was already shortly before the year 2150 ... don't know in which year this happened ...
01:19:44  <Stablean> <Phillip> When I was there at 1:30 P.M. GMT -8. The year was past 2175.
01:20:38  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, we need a calculator for timezones :-)
01:20:49  <Stablean> <Anson> like the gap calc
01:21:11  <Stablean> <Phillip> How should the command be like?
01:21:42  <Stablean> <Phillip> They already have it.
01:22:03  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, seems we already seem to have a (server?) time display :-)
01:22:28  <Stablean> <Phillip> forgot the time zone
01:22:29  <Stablean> <Anson> it is no timezone calc ... just the UTC time display
01:22:51  <Stablean> <Phillip> I'm getting lag here.
01:22:58  <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game
01:23:10  <Stablean> <Anson> me too ... just had 2 or 3 warnings about lost data for 6-8 seconds
01:23:10  <Stablean> *** Diablo has started a new company (#2)
01:23:14  <Stablean> <Phillip> There is no grfs here Diablo.
01:23:36  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, diablo
01:23:38  <Stablean> <Diablo> so
01:23:41  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi anson
01:24:05  <Stablean> <Anson> although this is only a default map, it would be nice to follow rules ...
01:24:15  <Stablean> <Phillip> How should the calculator work? (!timecalc -8 GMT)
01:24:41  <Stablean> <Anson> i just see an empty map, and two players are starting networks just in the same cornet of the map ....
01:24:51  <Stablean> <Phillip> I see.
01:25:21  <Stablean> <Phillip> -8 is the time you want to convert form and GMT is the time you convert to for example.
01:25:43  <Stablean> <Diablo> bye
01:25:46  <Stablean> <Phillip> wow
01:25:48  <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving)
01:25:52  <Stablean> <Phillip> barly joined
01:25:58  <Stablean> <Phillip> barely*
01:26:57  <Stablean> <Anson> was he p.... that i said something about rules ?
01:27:19  <Stablean> <Anson> i am no admin, and only gave a hint to please follow
01:27:33  <Stablean> <Phillip> The command should be: !timecalc 06:26pm -8 > GMT.
01:27:41  <Stablean> <Phillip> But he didn't follow.
01:28:01  <Stablean> <Phillip> He didn't show Berdal how openttdcoop is supposed to be.
01:28:20  <Stablean> <Phillip> 6:28 P.M. here.
01:28:30  <Stablean> <Anson> 3.28 am here
01:28:48  <Stablean> <Phillip> 1:28 P.M. at "UTC"
01:29:02  <Stablean> <Anson> and i am 1 hour east of UTC, and another hour for summertime
01:29:24  <Stablean> <Phillip> UTc is the same place like GMT, right?
01:30:15  <Stablean> <Anson> not 100% sure ... in winter, UTC=GMT ... but people from britain often call their time GMT, also in summer when it is 1 hour off
01:30:15  <Stablean> <Phillip> It it is, I'm 8 hours behind it, thus the "-".
01:30:33  <Stablean> <Phillip> gmt is the one I hear most.
01:31:11  <Stablean> <Anson> without summer time offset, GMT is UTC ...
01:31:37  <Stablean> <Anson> problem comes from people in britain when they call their time GMT, no matter whether it is summer of winter
01:32:07  <Stablean> <Phillip> For example happy. He is from britian.
01:32:09  <Stablean> <Anson> my time is CET in winter and CEST in summer (thus the S in the name :-)
01:32:30  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
01:32:58  <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game
01:33:12  <Stablean> *** Mazur joined the game
01:33:31  <Stablean> <Phillip> The signs are off a bit.
01:33:33  <Anson> is the server still restarting?
01:33:39  <Stablean> <Phillip> yes
01:33:41  <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined company #1
01:33:57  <Anson> still?????
01:34:03  <Stablean> <Phillip> it is done
01:34:37  <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined spectators
01:34:38  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
01:34:49  <Mazur> Will you at least WAIT untilI have the conmpany one deleted?
01:34:58  <Mazur> !rcon reset_comnpany 1
01:34:58  <Stablean> Mazur: ERROR: command not found
01:35:02  <Anson> i was sent to the main screen and still see the red message "server is restarting. PLEASE WAIT"
01:35:02  <Mazur> !rcon reset_company 1
01:35:02  <Stablean> Mazur: say "<Anson> i was sent to the main screen and still see the red message \"server is restarting. PLEASE WAIT\""
01:35:02  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎[All] Stablean: <Anson> i was sent to the main screen and still see the red message "server is restarting. PLEASE WAIT"
01:35:03  <Stablean> Mazur: Company deleted.
01:35:17  <Mazur> !auto
01:35:17  <Stablean> *** Mazur has enabled autopause mode.
01:35:19  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players)
01:35:21  <Mazur> !default
01:35:22  <Phillip> it is deleted already.
01:35:26  <Mazur> !defaults
01:36:07  <Phillip> You have to download another grf Anson if you want to join.
01:37:00  <Mazur> It _was_ not deleted when you joined, Phillip, and you were _in_ it.
01:37:04  <Anson> then please add this message to the bug list :-)
01:37:17  <Mazur> I removed it when you joined spectators.
01:37:46  <Phillip> How to add message to bug list?
01:37:46  <Anson> the game still tells me to wait..... until i manually abort and join
01:37:59  <Mazur> Something wrong with your hands, Anson, that you cannot report the bug yourself?
01:38:26  <Phillip> bug list... bug list... Where to find bugggg lisssst.
01:39:18  <Mazur> Jeez!  How hard is that to find?  Try the top resuolt when you google for "openttd bug"?
01:39:33  <Anson> hehe. same for me... playing often. only recently joined irc. and not yet a registered user :-(
01:39:40  <Phillip> Me too.
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01:43:03  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, is that from the new CHIPS set ? with towns set on transparent, i see blue, green and red squares with text in them :-)
01:43:34  <Stablean> <Phillip> I see them too with hide town buildings on.
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01:44:42  <Stablean> <Phillip> I see green, blue, red and sometimes pink squares.
01:44:45  <Stablean> <Anson> there is also a warning in the GRFs ... no complaint since it probably works and someone has done the work to create at least any new map) ... but the openGFX+ industries has too many chains enabled
01:49:29  <Stablean> <Anson> a REALLY NICE feature in this version of ottd: the "show parameters" in the GRF display while ingame ... in old versions, we had to save the settings and return to the main screen, load the settings (overwriting our own defaults) and only then could look at the parameters
01:50:04  <Stablean> <Anson> now we can see ingame that costs for ships are zero, but running costs are 64k x :-)
01:50:54  <Stablean> <Anson> or that train costs are half for steam, normal for electricity, and double for diesel
02:20:42  <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game
02:20:58  <Stablean> <Anson> WB, diablo
02:22:32  <Stablean> <Diablo> is this the real game?
02:23:02  <Stablean> <Anson> Mazur has loaded a new map with grfs (thanks, mazur) ...
02:23:25  <Stablean> <Diablo> thats good
02:23:59  <Stablean> <Diablo> i was waiting to rejoin when the map was reset
02:24:21  <Mazur> Just something I had lying around, nothing particularly good, but iy should yide you over.
02:24:33  <Mazur> tide
02:25:10  <Stablean> <Anson> most of all, it has GRFs and the modified TF costs, thus prohibiting people to flatten the world etc
02:25:17  <Stablean> <Diablo> very competitive map this one, mazur good job
02:25:41  <Stablean> <Anson> lots of people will immediately leave when they see that, instead of producing chaos :-)
02:25:44  <Mazur> Remember, this is Coop.
02:26:22  <Stablean> <Anson> i am still thinking about how to create a big network on this map ... already got an idea, but it would be lots of work
02:26:53  <Mazur> You can play your "competetiveness", but noone takes notice.
02:26:55  <Stablean> <Diablo> i know, i was talking about people whom build large networks on the entire map
02:28:18  <Stablean> <Anson> my idea: a wood network, always collecting from 5 forests around a big pickup/transfer, and then connecting those big stations ... maybe 3-4 such stations in the west, delivering it to one sawmill in the south, and returning on the east side back to the north through another 3-4 such collector stations
02:29:34  <Stablean> <Anson> but that probably would require real coop of several players, each one doing one such collector, and 1-2 players connecting the collectors and drops ...
02:29:56  <Stablean> <Anson> probably a bit too big for a welcome network
02:30:07  <Stablean> <Diablo> probably
02:31:45  <Stablean> *** Diablo has started a new company (#1)
02:31:45  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
02:45:11  <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined company #1
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02:50:28  <Stablean> <Anson> max station spread = 64 ?!?!?!?!
02:51:17  <Stablean> <Diablo> 64 is massive (and biggest option)
02:52:04  <Stablean> <Anson> that allows putting down one station to collect passengers from half the map :-)
02:52:39  <Stablean> *** Anson has started a new company (#2)
02:57:32  <Stablean> <Anson> how strict will "teleporting" be considered (rules say "no teleporting"), but with spread 64, would it be allowed to collect resources from mines in a radius of 30 on a single station ?
02:57:44  <Mazur> !rcon set station_spread 12
02:59:03  <Mazur> !setdef
02:59:03  <Stablean> *** Mazur has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
02:59:41  <Stablean> <Anson> :-)
03:01:11  <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined spectators
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03:23:03  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Hello
03:23:13  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi
03:26:35  <Stablean> *** 0zlwq has started a new company (#3)
03:32:40  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Does anyone know how long these worlds last?
03:33:55  <Stablean> <Anson> a game takes as long as people want to play it, and until someone comes up with a new map ... or until the server crashes after a few hundred years
03:34:14  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Right...
03:34:17  <Stablean> <Anson> last game was well over 2150
03:34:43  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Sounds fun :)
03:40:31  <Stablean> <Anson> would you use universal engines in this game at first ? ... they are stronger than the only other normal engine and cost no running costs, but are much more costly to buy
03:40:38  <Stablean> <0zlwq> `
03:40:48  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I thought about it.... And then decided against
03:41:15  <Stablean> <0zlwq> No real speed gains, just 225 years of life
03:41:50  <Stablean> <0zlwq> What did you use?
03:42:08  <Stablean> <Anson> more power and more TE at first ... and no running costs at all
03:42:42  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Meh.... The outlay is just too much in early development
03:42:52  <Stablean> <0zlwq> And the running costs of the Kirby are only 500 a year
03:42:52  <Stablean> <Anson> i decided against it too, since the other running costs are not very high either, and upgrading a double engine is easy when i use them right from the beginning
03:43:30  <Stablean> <Anson> buy costs of even a triple engine would also be cheaper than buying the universal :-)
03:43:50  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Or a quadruple for that matter
03:44:12  <Stablean> <Anson> not advisable when you use TL 2 or 3 :-)
03:44:54  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I messed up my network already :(
03:44:57  <Stablean> <Anson> diablo, take some loan :-)
03:58:43  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Wow.... I can't believe I made that mistake...
03:59:03  <Stablean> <Anson> what did you do ? buy a ship ?
03:59:21  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I had a truck feeder to a station....
03:59:35  <Stablean> <0zlwq> But the recieving station didn't connect to the rail
04:00:11  <Stablean> <Anson> forgot to use CTRL ?
04:00:18  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Yeah
04:01:17  <Stablean> <Anson> you have another problem there ... train always going beck and forth to the depot
04:01:28  <Stablean> <0zlwq> That's being fixed now :)
04:02:14  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Hopefully....
04:02:56  <Stablean> <Anson> with your long trains, you also need to watch out for CL ... you only don't notice it yet at speed 64 kph
04:03:08  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Yeah
04:04:14  <Stablean> <Anson> are you from britain, japan or australia ?
04:04:16  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I've just been trying to build around the terrain for the moment, But I'll have to reline most of the tracks
04:04:19  <Stablean> <0zlwq> New Zealand :P
04:04:30  <Stablean> <Diablo> im also from nz
04:04:33  <Stablean> <Anson> you drive on the left side :-)
04:04:44  <Stablean> <Anson> both of you
04:04:50  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Yeap
04:05:52  <Stablean> <Diablo> do u like the mondayisation bill?
04:05:54  <Stablean> <Anson> but not always ... that messed up some of my nets in other games ... had to enter/leave stations on the "wrong" side, but connected them loke i always do, and then wondered why trains were stuck
04:07:00  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I don't really think much of the mondayisation bill.
04:07:10  <Stablean> <0zlwq> But an extra day or two off every 7 years can't hurt
04:08:14  <Stablean> <Anson> what kind of bill is that ? i always hate to pay bills :-)
04:08:21  <Stablean> <0zlwq> It's a law bill.
04:08:31  <Stablean> <0zlwq> 
04:09:05  <Stablean> <Diablo> make public holidays on the weekends happen on monday also
04:09:48  <Stablean> <Anson> when a public holiday is on weekend, also get a free monday ?
04:09:54  <Stablean> <0zlwq> yeah
04:10:33  <Stablean> <Anson> sounds nice at first, but what about a public weekend on tuesday ? probably would be more useful to get monday free on that one :-)
04:10:51  <Stablean> <Anson> and of course, getting a free friday for holidays on tuesdays ...
04:11:10  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I don't think that part changes.
04:11:20  <Stablean> <Diablo> key and banks oppose it anyway
04:11:35  <Stablean> <0zlwq> It got pushed through to select committe today though....
04:11:41  <Stablean> <Diablo> sat/sun-mon
04:12:15  <Stablean> <0zlwq> And ....
04:12:22  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Now my stations ahve queues... Great
04:12:41  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Through another amature mistake....
04:15:59  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, diablo tries to repay loan at any cost, even at the risk of going bancrupt :-)
04:16:21  <Stablean> <Diablo> 80k remaining\
04:16:40  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I got a 300k loan and balance of 430k :P
04:17:30  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Time to expand :)
04:18:50  <Stablean> <Anson> rebuilding stations should cost no money, as long as a station tile is only replaced with another one
04:19:08  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I wouldn't agree.
04:19:23  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Oh nvm....
04:19:25  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Yes i do :P
04:19:47  <Stablean> <Anson> changing the station tiles is only for eye candy, and that should be encouraged
04:20:25  <Stablean> <Anson> later in game, people have enough money, but at first, it is very costly to build nice stations
04:21:21  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Wow....
04:21:43  <Stablean> <Anson> diablo, you are almost done ... 3200 $ to go :-)
04:21:46  <Stablean> <Anson> grats
04:22:12  <Stablean> <Diablo> no more loan
04:22:27  <Stablean> <Anson> but dept again now
04:22:33  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I just messed my system up...
04:22:48  <Stablean> <Anson> be careful ... would hurt to go bancrupt now
04:23:50  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I have a hold up of 1,000 tonnes of coal...
04:24:00  <Stablean> <Anson> as far as i have seen, the cash is only checked once per month or quarter ... i already went bancrupt some times when i had no debt at all, but only went to -100$ for a few days, and then again a few 10$ exactly a month or quarter later
04:24:40  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I also wasted a whole lot of money on minor terraforming
04:25:04  <Stablean> <Anson> the flag for "was in debt last time" seems not to be reset when you go into plus in between, but you need to be in plus on the next check
04:25:06  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Do hous e rules stipulate no  competition?
04:25:20  <Stablean> <Anson> rules say "no stealing"
04:25:26  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Right....
04:25:32  <Stablean> <Anson> also "no blocking" etc
04:25:54  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I've cornered myself on this side of the map....
04:25:56  <Stablean> <Anson> if you ask and the other player agrees, you can do anything, but only after asking
04:32:04  <DiAbL0> brb
04:37:59  <Stablean> <Anson> even when signals cost some money, i changed my mind a few games ago and put them down immediately ... it is too easy to forget some spots when you put them down later, ending up with gaps and queues
04:38:10  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I ran intot hat problem this game :)
04:38:26  <Stablean> <Anson> i see that problem on your track now :-)
04:39:09  <Stablean> <Anson> i put down a sign for it ...
04:39:28  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Thanks
04:40:27  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I need faster vehicals now :(
04:41:17  <Stablean> <Diablo> we still have like 10  yrs b4 trains going 100+ come :(
04:41:19  <Stablean> <Anson> i have a faster engine now :-)
04:41:39  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Well that's great news :(
04:41:45  <Stablean> <Diablo> lucky
04:41:46  <Stablean> <Anson> jubilee going 112 kph
04:41:59  <Stablean> <Anson> you get it next year, nit in 10 years
04:42:09  <Stablean> <Diablo> when do dmus arrive?
04:45:59  <Stablean> <Anson> dmus ?
04:46:15  <Stablean> <Diablo> desiel multiple units
04:48:21  <Stablean> <Diablo> bbl
04:48:27  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Bye
04:48:42  <Stablean> <Anson> watch for prices
04:48:53  <Stablean> <0zlwq> ?
04:48:59  <Stablean> <Anson> steam costs half, electric normal and diesel double in this game
04:49:07  <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving)
04:49:28  <Stablean> <Anson> OUCH .. did diablo do that on purpose ?
04:49:44  <Stablean> <0zlwq> What?
04:49:50  <Stablean> <Anson> he had barely cash, just got to "no loan", and went afk ....
04:50:04  <Stablean> <Anson> now he went bancrupt
04:50:16  <Stablean> <0zlwq> His balance is 12k
04:50:26  <Stablean> <0zlwq> And he's making a yearly profit
04:50:36  <Stablean> <Anson> just got the warning message that he will soon be sold
04:51:15  <Stablean> <Anson> last year he had -45k$ total, now back to +35k$
04:52:05  <Stablean> <0zlwq> `
04:52:17  <Stablean> <0zlwq> He spent a lot on construction though
04:52:23  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Negligible interests
04:52:25  <Stablean> <Anson> very difficult to judge ... when several big moneymakers are loading, costs easily can go negative for a bit ... and when JUST THEN the check for bancruptcy takes place ...
04:52:59  <Stablean> <0zlwq> My income's finally stabilised
04:53:22  <Stablean> <Anson> i saw the system message about "soon bancrupt" and when i looked a few seconds later he was at +30k$
04:53:44  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Would you object if I eventually had some bridges over one on your mainlines?
04:53:54  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Actually...
04:54:00  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Don't worry about it
04:54:08  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Jubilee! ....
04:54:30  <Stablean> <Anson> i just finished replacing all my kirby to jubilee
04:54:36  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Did yoiu get the offer?
04:55:02  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... that was when you just had said "it will take another 10 years for better engines" :-)
04:55:24  <Stablean> <Anson> you = you or diablo
04:56:06  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Loan paid off
04:56:10  <DiAbL0> tell me if i die
04:56:12  <Stablean> <Anson> grats
04:56:19  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I had the money for ages though
04:56:57  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I wish there was an auto upgrade shared order
04:57:27  <Stablean> <Anson> what do you mean ?
04:57:33  <Stablean> <Anson> i think there is :-)
04:57:43  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I can automatically upgrade trains that share orderes?
04:58:01  <Stablean> <Anson> open the overview window ... there is a button "manage list"
04:58:11  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I can send them all to a depot that way
04:58:18  <Stablean> <0zlwq> But it stops them from whatever they're doing...
04:58:30  <Stablean> <Anson> if you group trains with shared orders, you can tell that group to autoupgrade
04:59:16  <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, breakdowns are off, and thus maintenance should be off too .... BUT
04:59:59  <Stablean> <Anson> BUT when you give some autoreplace orders, normal maintenance will be switched on automatically, and thus trains will do normal maintenance and upgrade in the next depot that they pass
05:01:25  <Stablean> <Anson> your maintenance interval is 150 days ... and since normal maintenance is off, your trains didn't do any maintenance yet ... thus they should do it as soon as you give a replacement order
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05:03:02  <Stablean> <Anson> WB diablo
05:03:54  <Stablean> <Anson> be careful with your finances ... just as you left, i saw a qarning about your bancruptcy ... probably only a temporary minus since you are getting nice money per year
05:04:54  <Stablean> <Diablo> forgot some pax bridges
05:05:12  <Stablean> <Anson> Ozl, did you give some replacement order ? trains should do it automatically now
05:05:39  <Stablean> <Anson> but you need to set the parameters in advanced settings ... some minimum money you need to have for autoreplace/autorenew ...
05:05:43  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I couldn't find and auto replace...
05:06:00  <Stablean> <Anson> open the overview of all your trains
05:06:14  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Nvm...
05:06:24  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I did it manually anyway
05:06:28  <Stablean> <Anson> at the bottom is a button for "manage list" ... push and hold the mouse button and you get some options
05:07:36  <Stablean> <Anson> for trains in a depot, you can use the yellow "replace" arrow to force a replacement
05:08:34  <Stablean> <Anson> new train ... faster but much less power and TE
05:09:00  <Stablean> <Anson> will be generally available in a year
05:09:07  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I got the trial
05:09:25  <Stablean> <0zlwq> Anyway I should go
05:09:27  <Stablean> <Anson> i didn't accept it ... coal is heavy and the TE is important
05:09:41  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I accepted, but I'm not going to use it
05:09:44  <Stablean> <0zlwq> I'll bbl
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05:10:10  <Stablean> <Anson> somewhere i read that accepting such offers and not using the train will cause negative impact on authorities
05:10:40  <Stablean> <Diablo> never heard of that b4
05:13:10  <Stablean> <Anson> i never saw the effect myself, but would sound logical ... penalty if accepting and not using a special offer
05:13:37  <Stablean> <Anson> else people would always accept them, just t take away advantages from other players
05:13:38  <Stablean> <Diablo> nothing happens in sp
05:13:52  <Stablean> <Anson> sp ?
05:13:59  <Stablean> <Diablo> single player
05:14:41  <Stablean> <Anson> did you check the local authority rating of all towns in your SP game ?
05:14:53  <Stablean> <Diablo> yep
05:15:51  <Stablean> <Anson> i just see that Pafingway has "appalling" rating for Oz ... maybe since he just accepted the new train ?
05:16:26  <Stablean> <Diablo> could just b the trians
05:16:52  <Stablean> <Anson> he has a coal mine there, and 5 trains waiting to take cargo ...
05:17:03  <Stablean> <Anson> but maybe he built a lot and destroyed trees ...
05:17:10  <Stablean> <Diablo> stn?
05:17:40  <Stablean> <Anson> STN ? station ?
05:17:43  <Stablean> <Diablo> nvm
05:17:58  <Stablean> <Anson> pafingway is the town, and pafingway mines is the station
05:18:34  <Stablean> <Anson> btw : every player can edit and delete any signs ... very useful to delete hints after a problem is fixed
05:18:48  <Stablean> <Anson> need to say that to Oz next time :-)
05:18:50  <DiAbL0> indeed
05:19:52  <Stablean> <Diablo> 6 train queue
05:20:11  <Stablean> <Anson> where ?
05:20:33  <Stablean> <Diablo> 6 trains waiting @ pafingway
05:20:47  <Stablean> <Diablo> gone now though
05:20:50  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, just had put a sign there :-)
05:21:08  <Stablean> <Anson> still exists !
05:21:18  <Stablean> <Diablo> train 11 is a problem
05:21:44  <Stablean> <Anson> it is too long, probably from adding a double engine
05:21:54  <Stablean> <Diablo> ginzu available now
05:23:56  <Stablean> <Diablo> and train 9 is the same length
05:24:06  <Stablean> <Diablo> as 11
05:25:20  <Stablean> <Anson> ginzu is nice, but only minor speed omprovement (112>128) while other stats are not much better ... in comparison to the improvement from kirby to jubilee :-)
05:25:43  <Stablean> <Diablo> good for pax
05:26:29  <Stablean> <Anson> i will replace my trains too
05:26:47  <Stablean> <Diablo> to what? ginzu?
05:26:58  <Stablean> <Anson> but not force them into maintenance ... just wait until they do it by themselves
05:27:20  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, jubilee > ginzu
05:27:50  <Stablean> <Diablo> my jubilees will be replaced w/electric trains
05:28:57  <Stablean> <Anson> watch out for prices ... electric trains cost normal prices ... steam only half and diesel double
05:29:28  <Stablean> <Diablo> never noticed
05:29:55  <Stablean> <Anson> since some time (version 1.2.x ?) there is an option to see GRF parameters in game
05:30:21  <Stablean> <Anson> the basemod changes tell you the TF costs, ships, planes, etc, and also the train costs
05:35:35  <Stablean> <Anson> did you check it now ?
05:37:39  <Stablean> <Diablo> the loans increased 3m since 1925
05:38:11  <Stablean> <Anson> ?
05:38:13  <Stablean> <Diablo> and im pretty sure loans stay @ 1m the entire game
05:38:32  <Stablean> <Diablo> look at max loan
05:38:40  <Stablean> <Anson> max loan increase from 1.0M$ to 1.3M$
05:39:06  <Stablean> <Diablo> that NEVER changes
05:39:43  <Stablean> <Anson> sorry, don't understand
05:40:05  <Stablean> <Diablo> the max loan is 1.3m right...
05:40:08  <Stablean> <Anson> the max loan is set when creating the map, and it changes during the game
05:40:38  <Stablean> <Diablo> the loan usually stays at 1m forever
05:41:16  <Stablean> <Anson> the loan stays at whatever loan you took ... when you pay it back or borrow more money, it changes :-)
05:42:04  <Stablean> <Diablo> this is the first game with a loan over 1m
05:42:11  <Stablean> <Anson> when you don't pay back or borrow, it stays at its old value ... but you pay the interest on your normal bill, and thus the amount shouldn't change, right ?
05:42:25  <Stablean> <Diablo> brb, dinner
05:43:35  <Stablean> <Anson> on map creation, interest rates can be set, and also inflation rates ... maybe the 1.3M$ loan is from the inflation ? ... i always thought it would be from company value
05:54:26  <Stablean> <Diablo> back
06:11:57  <Stablean> <Anson> WB
06:12:15  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm just trying to make my trains longer ... max length is 7
06:13:01  <Stablean> <Diablo> i keep mine to 5 or 4(freight
06:13:11  <Stablean> <Anson> not so easy when all stations and tracks were built with TL 3 and TL 5 in mind
06:13:25  <Stablean> <Diablo> TL?
06:13:33  <Stablean> <Anson> i find 1,3,5,7,9 (uneven) to be best
06:13:52  <Stablean> <Anson> TL = train length
06:16:06  <Stablean> <Anson> for signals, spacing 2 seems to be best ... very small, but still enough to add some crossings etc
06:16:29  <Stablean> <Anson> and trains with uneven TL fit best between signals :-)
06:16:37  <Stablean> <Diablo> 2 is excellent
06:17:51  <Stablean> <Anson> TL1 fits between two signals, TL3 between 3, etc ... thus i prefer uneven TL
06:18:13  <Stablean> <Diablo> even tl is annoying
06:20:23  <Stablean> <Anson> with double engines (and normal size of 0.5 each), it is also easy to split trains (their cargo) ... two TL3 trains have 2x4 wagons and one TL5 train has 8 wagons :-)
06:21:13  <Stablean> <Anson> but how do i increase the length now, on a partially built network ?
06:21:33  <Stablean> <Diablo> signals or stations?
06:21:47  <Stablean> <Anson> need 2 more tiles for the stations, and also 2 more for brake space or other layouts
06:22:49  <Stablean> <Anson> at Fudhead Woods, it was easy to add 2 tiles to the station ... and also at Tontown South
06:23:28  <Stablean> <Anson> for my primitive Buffer Depots, it also was easy to move it by 2 tiles (hehe, thanks to the signal gap 2 :-)
06:23:51  <Stablean> <Diablo> lol
06:24:21  <Stablean> <Anson> but for Fudhead Valley ... quite some task, if i don't simply delete it, and then flatten or otherwise rebuild it ...
06:26:24  <Stablean> <Diablo> what needs to be deleted at fudhead valley?
06:26:58  <Stablean> <Anson> the station needs to be extended by two tiles ... only 1 available in front of the other track
06:27:24  <Stablean> <Anson> and in front of the station, there is only enough space for a TL5 train plus the depot
06:29:04  <Stablean> <Diablo> i propose u do where my signs are, works for me
06:30:26  <Stablean> <Anson> where i have put the sign "TL 5" : entry (PBS) signal to the station, space for one waiting train, then a 2way exit signal, a depot and another signal between depot and tunnel
06:31:16  <Stablean> <Anson> the 2way exit signal forces trains into the depot when a train is already waiting, and it is an exit signal to keep the trains in the depot until there is no more train waiting
06:33:34  <Stablean> <Diablo> bbl
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07:13:09  <Stablean> <Anson> WB
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07:30:52  <Stablean> <Anson> diablo ... did you see my answering signs to your suggestion signs ?
07:31:34  <Stablean> <Diablo> is it working?
07:32:37  <Stablean> <Anson> here are the signs : "to diablo: almost as suggested" - "and as i has done it once" - "but only works with modified" - "entry track, to not block ML"
07:33:39  <Stablean> <Anson> by simply putting the depot where you suggested (and where i once put it), trains would queue back onto the ML when trains were entering or leaving the depot
07:34:49  <Stablean> <Anson> with TL5, i removed the depot since the tunnel added a lot of track to the incoming lane of the station ... and with TL7 now, i have doubled part of the ML to have enough waiting space in front of the depot
07:35:03  <Stablean> <Diablo> if there is a long wait, just tf and double track
07:35:42  <Stablean> <Anson> needed to TF only one dot, but also remove a road tile and a house of the town nearby :-(
07:36:20  <Stablean> <Diablo> just after the depot
07:37:03  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, double tunnel ...
07:37:09  <Stablean> <Anson> that would be overkill now :-)
07:39:11  <Stablean> <Anson> that part of the track is only used to have one train waiting in front of the PBS at station entry (later in the game, with more cargo and more trains), so that trains won't leave the depot slowly when needed, but already queue in front of the station (length of queue = 1)+
07:43:57  <Stablean> <Anson> you are expanding your coal network ?
07:44:15  <Stablean> <Diablo> to the other side of the map
07:45:15  <Stablean> <Anson> i was just looking where to find wood, saw that the sawmills (seen at start of game) are gone, and suddenly some black lines appeared from your new tracks :-)
07:45:55  <Stablean> <Anson> why are you building across and then around the lake, instead of just passing it diagonally ?
07:46:17  <Stablean> <Diablo> didnt think of that
07:46:20  <Stablean> <Anson> without any tunnel, bridge, etc
07:51:50  <Stablean> <Diablo> time for the return track
07:52:04  <Stablean> <Anson> which TL are you using on that new long line ?
07:52:15  <Stablean> <Diablo> still 5
07:53:00  <Stablean> <Anson> if the line gets busy, you need 6 tunnels :-)
07:53:10  <Stablean> <Diablo> what does !gap do?
07:53:25  <Stablean> <Anson> just read the answer that the server gave me :-)
07:53:55  <Stablean> <Anson> calculating how many parallel bridges or tunnels are needed, given some train length and the gap of the bridge/tunnel
07:55:18  <Stablean> <Anson> that would be for tunnels at the base of the mountain, when you avoid any slopes completely
07:56:50  <Stablean> <Anson> you see ? with longer trains, you can transport more cargo and need a lot less tunnels ...
07:57:24  <Stablean> <Anson> but of course, only useful for long distance, and with proper merges, since acceleration is worse
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07:57:48  <Stablean> <Dom> hello :)
07:58:03  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi dom
07:58:21  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
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08:00:56  <Stablean> <Anson> LOL ... i always switch the parameters
08:01:02  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
08:02:01  <Stablean> <Anson> but still the same result ... short and long bridges both need to be doubled (and not tripled)
08:02:45  <Stablean> <Dom> it depends on how long the bridges/tunnels are
08:03:27  <Stablean> <Anson> you really want to do that long bridge ? .-)
08:04:53  <Stablean> <Anson> will be interesting to see where that track leads to :-)
08:06:39  <Stablean> <Dom> :)
08:07:47  <Stablean> <Anson> and even for shiort trains with TL 5, you need to watch the CL (curve length) ... CL5 will not limit your trains at all, but CL4 would be max 150 kph and CL3 max 130 kph
08:08:13  <Guest641> i know
08:08:45  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm not sure what CL of 5 diagonal track pieces is, but might be less than your TL
08:11:04  <Stablean> <Anson> and another hint for doubled (tripled, etc) bridges and tunnels : they need to be synced, else differences might add up on a longer line and cause "stop&go"
08:11:38  <Stablean> <Diablo> that doesnt bother me that much
08:13:16  <Stablean> <Anson> every non-synced doubled bridge might add up to 1 tile for the track length, thus causing a train to be delayed by 5 tiles from 5 bridges, and thus the following train will stop, causing some jam
08:14:51  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, would be really nice to have signals on bridges too :-)
08:15:21  <Stablean> <Diablo> seen that article before
08:16:28  <Guest641> not it wouldnt..
08:17:55  <Stablean> <Anson> guest, you are referring to the bridges ? ... you probably are right ... bridges with signals would remove a challenge
08:18:44  <Guest641> it's not guest its Dom :D
08:18:59  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
08:19:14  <Stablean> <Anson> just like some other dreams ... like tunnels with signals, tunnels with curves, tunnels with slopes inside, underground stations, etc
08:19:36  <Stablean> <Dom> true
08:19:51  <Stablean> <Dom> with the patch you can get signals on bridges/tunnels
08:20:01  <Stablean> <Dom> but do you really need them?
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08:22:04  <Anson> didn't know who guest was... could only have guest (lol) it...
08:22:24  <DomDom> :)
08:22:28  <DomDom> now it works
08:22:46  <DomDom> it seems there is another Dom in OFTC
08:22:48  <DomDom> xD
08:23:01  <Stablean> <Anson> sometimes, i really would need signals on bridges or in tunnels, but i don't want them for the challenge ... else we could simply build on flat land
08:23:14  <DomDom> true
08:23:49  <DiAbL0> i had the same problem with Diablo
08:24:03  <Stablean> <Anson> when i login first in the game, i sometimes have problems setting the IC name to the same name. but when joining IRC first, i can have the same name
08:24:57  <Stablean> <Anson> probably the script maps the name from the game to IRC and thus blocks it for newly joined IRC
08:25:44  <Stablean> <Anson> thus i have set my first nich in IRC to Anson, an alternate to AnsonMobil, and even a third one
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08:28:46  <Stablean> <V453000> hello
08:28:53  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
08:29:11  <Stablean> <V453000> non-bananas trees o_o
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08:41:23  <Stablean> <Dom> bb folks :)
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08:50:34  <Stablean> <Diablo> brb
08:54:20  <Stablean> <Diablo> back
08:54:30  <Stablean> <Anson> wb
09:18:25  <Stablean> <Diablo> cya l8r
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09:44:51  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Arg ! no grf map ...
09:44:54  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> hello all
09:45:20  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ah pff ok ^^
09:52:40  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, syl
09:53:14  <Stablean> <Anson> there was a new random map without grfs, until Mazur loaded some map with grfs ...
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10:06:17  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hi V
10:06:19  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
10:06:22  <Stablean> <V453000> the map is ok?
10:06:25  <Stablean> <V453000> except the trees
10:06:32  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> don't try it but It seems too simple
10:06:48  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
10:06:59  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> No island and standards engines
10:07:25  <Stablean> <V453000> make a proper map then :)
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11:01:35  <Stablean> <Dom> servus :)
11:01:39  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo again
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11:02:37  <Stablean> <Anson> wb dodom too :-)
11:02:46  <DomDom> :)
11:03:11  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate disappearing resources :-(
11:03:29  <Stablean> <Dom> wanna coop?
11:03:31  <Stablean> <Anson> built a track and now the forest is gone :-(
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11:23:34  <DomDom> nja im out :)
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11:23:35  <DomDom> cya ölater
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11:24:10  <Stablean> <Anson> i didn't leave but lost con
11:24:57  <Stablean> <Anson> during the last half hour, i got the network warning (for 5-12 seconds no data) several times
11:39:36  <Stablean> <Anson> towns build roads and crossings ... :-(
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12:13:22  <Stablean> <Anson> syl, you are also collecting wood ?
12:13:28  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> yep
12:13:40  <Stablean> <Anson> do you want to build a large wood network ?
12:13:50  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I just want money x)
12:14:26  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> If I must switch with another cargo, never mind
12:14:37  <Stablean> <Anson> i did coal first to get some money ... now wanted to do a tour around the world ... but probably would invade too many other people's areas !?
12:15:12  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Oki .. I think I will do only wood on this map
12:15:26  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> in that case, I will not disturb you
12:15:31  <Stablean> <Anson> i had the idea to build local collecting loops, 3-6 stations each, and then use longer trains to get them long distance to a sawmill
12:15:48  <Stablean> <Anson> was a nice idea, but i already have problems now ...
12:16:31  <Stablean> <Anson> 2 forests in my first loop already dies (one before i started the station, another after i built it) ... and some sawmills at nice locations too :-(
12:16:33  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ^^ Oki I see. i'ts a technic used on Luukland server
12:17:13  <Stablean> <Anson> i never played there ... just started inventing stations which get cargo without explicit orders
12:17:23  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> SNRW ?
12:18:13  <Stablean> <Anson> in the last game, CB did such stations with some logic, and i couldn't resist to try inventing such stations without logic (logic gates with logic trains and similar)
12:18:28  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> it was a SNRW
12:18:38  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> SRNW *
12:18:45  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> a self regulated network
12:19:02  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> i'ts not my cup of tea ^^
12:19:53  <Stablean> <Anson> i found it so nice when i can just add or delete trains and don't have to watch several different shared orders, but can pick any train and they still keep servicing all stations :-)
12:20:18  <Stablean> <Anson> most inventions (in RL) are done because of laziness :-)
12:20:33  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ^^ I agree
12:22:02  <Stablean> <Anson> in case you didn't notice: since some versions (1.2.x ?) you can view GRF parameters ingame, without need to save them, leave the game, load the grfs (overwriting your own default), and only then can inspect parameters
12:22:08  <Stablean> <Anson> a REALLY nice new feature
12:22:25  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I see this, yeah it's nice
12:22:43  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> but you can't add a newgrf during the game anymore
12:22:47  <Stablean> <Anson> in this game, electric trains have normal prices, steam half and diesel double
12:22:49  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> basemod x)
12:23:34  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> dman ... the remaining forst have a low production ...
12:24:16  <Stablean> <Anson> i got the impression that the forests stayed there unchanged for 20+ years ... until i started servicing the first of them
12:25:02  <Stablean> <Anson> then half of them are gone now, and new ones appeared, like the bunch of forests where you build now (there were maybe 4 only 10 years ago)
12:25:28  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> That's why I love FIRS
12:25:56  <Stablean> <Anson> does the game "freeze" resources while they are not used, and start lowering production (eventually removing them entirely) when anywhere on the map that resource is used ?
12:26:14  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> idk
12:34:26  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm just looking for other resources which could be used for a network ... to not collide with your wood, syl
12:34:40  <Stablean> <Anson> and hoping that i won't block someone else later :-)
12:35:15  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ^^ oki :)
12:36:34  <Stablean> <Anson> the stationm spread in this game is tempting to use teleports ...
12:37:37  <Stablean> <Anson> to build one station and collect resources from 4-8 mines ....
12:40:00  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> or invisible gtracks xD
12:42:06  <Stablean> <Anson> *g* tracks ?
12:42:12  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> mistake
12:42:15  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> tracks *
12:43:24  <Stablean> <Anson> a general question about teleporting: is it considered to be teleporting when you use a train for the whole route, but unload somewhere and load again a few tiles later ?
12:44:10  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Well ... for me, i's a waste of time
12:44:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> except you're transfering
12:44:42  <Stablean> <Anson> i just did that in an offline game, transporting oil, unloading it at the base of a mountain, "pumping it up", and then loading it again in the same train on top of the mountain ...
12:45:08  <Stablean> <Anson> i had set parameters in that game to be 10% slopes and 10x heavy trains :-)
12:45:18  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> realism x)
12:45:33  <Stablean> <Anson> with weak trains at the beginning, you almost needed more than one engine for each wagon :-)
12:46:31  <Stablean> <Anson> and that pumping station helped a lot on a mountain route ... trains could go uphill faster, and then even accelerate downhill on the other side
12:47:02  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> why not building a tunnel or just get around the mountain ?
12:47:12  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> stepped inclines help too
12:47:35  <Stablean> <Anson> stepped climbs didn't work ... 10% and 10x are too harsh :-)
12:49:07  <Stablean> <Anson> a train with three engines and three wagons couldn't accelerate above 2 kph on a single slope if it was stopped somehow, and at full speed, slopes needed to be stepped with flat pieces of track between the slope with at least train length distance
12:49:42  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Oh ... really too harsh xD
12:49:45  <Stablean> <Anson> try it once yourself ... a completely new gaming experience :-)
12:49:48  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> well, I prefer using transfering
12:51:20  <Stablean> <Anson> even the calculations for double bridges don't apply any longer (in case there is a temporary jam somewhere, it will be jammed forever)
12:51:51  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> It begin to be a problem of synchro
12:52:17  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Which can be resolved with a more powerful engine group, and slower trains
12:52:39  <Stablean> <Anson> sync is theory ... when even a simple slope reduces speed from 100 to 95 for a few tiles
12:53:33  <Stablean> <Anson> in that case, trains slow down a bit on the slope (bridgehead) and accelerate on the other side of the bridge ... very difficult to completely sync
12:53:59  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I see ...
12:55:38  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I think I can't do a flip flop here ...
12:55:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> no logic engine
12:56:31  <Stablean> <Anson> we will get another problem later, i think ... when switching to mono or maglev
12:56:46  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> and electric to mono
12:56:53  <Stablean> <Anson> the universal rails are limited to 31, and the universal train is limited too
12:57:51  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> You see now why I don't like the standard set
12:58:13  <Stablean> <Anson> what do you think of nutrains with nutracks ? :-)
12:58:35  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ^^ I don't try it yet
12:58:54  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I know, that's a shame
12:59:44  <Stablean> <Anson> with the nutrains, i don't understand why the logic trains are slow, and why they are different for the different railtypes
13:00:16  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Are yoy talking about the NUTS ?
13:00:18  <Stablean> <Anson> logic trains are no real trains anyway ... thus why not make them all the same, and also very fast ?
13:00:36  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... nu-trains (nuts)
13:00:43  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ah oki
13:00:57  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Logic trains are made ... to do logic ^^
13:01:03  <Stablean> <Anson> it was tempting to write nu-trains and nu-tracks :-)
13:01:21  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> what's the use of a engine very powerful but with no tractive force ?
13:02:03  <Stablean> <Anson> i think he logic trains of nuts are not very much faster than the fastest normal trains ... with the maglev (and also mono?) logic engines bein faster than the normal rail logic trains
13:02:25  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> That's normal
13:02:37  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> if you want to use logic gates, these engine are perfect
13:03:12  <Stablean> <Anson> but (as you said yourself) they are intended to do logic ... not be only a bit faster versions of the normal engines
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13:04:00  <Stablean> <Dom> hello :)
13:05:06  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> hello dom
13:05:12  <Stablean> <Dom> hey syl :)
13:05:30  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Anson, they are logic engine
13:05:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> so they must be adapted to do logic things x)
13:13:04  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Can we use lev3 "pegasus" to be a logic engine ?
13:13:38  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't know ... they are fast, but acceleration might not be best
13:14:01  <Stablean> <Anson> they also are longer than normal engines
13:14:15  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I don't speaking about lev 4 chimaera
13:14:22  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I 'em taking the lev 3
13:14:36  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Im *
13:15:11  <Stablean> <Anson> biggest problem with them : how do you build logic circuitry with them when not even mono is available yet ? :-)
13:15:33  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> later roh x)
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13:30:05  <Stablean> <Dom> wb
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13:31:38  <Stablean> <Dom> ...
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13:31:47  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> wb :D
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13:31:53  <Stablean> <Anson> erstmal fuhren alle zuege vorbei, und jetzt fahren ALLE zuege rein
13:32:04  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> in english please x)
13:32:09  <Stablean> <Dom> ty :)
13:32:12  <Stablean> <Dom> sry syl :)
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13:32:28  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> i'm talking ofr Anson xD
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13:32:38  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Even I understand what he say
13:32:38  <Stablean> <Anson> sorry, was meant to be team chat#
13:33:00  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> your "ctrl" has problem too ? :')
13:34:27  <Stablean> <Anson> ctrl doesn't work in the console window
13:34:58  <Stablean> <Anson> CTRL-ENTER in the console maximizes the console
13:35:16  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ctrl + enter is team chat for me
13:35:22  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> close the console btw x)
13:35:28  <Stablean> <Anson> thus i used SHIFT-ENTER to switch back from console to game (without closing the console)
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13:53:52  <Stablean> <Dom> Syl
13:53:53  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ?
13:53:59  <Stablean> <Dom> give us back our forest :D
13:54:31  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Anson ask me a few hour ago if I want to build a wood network
13:54:37  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I say "yes"
13:54:51  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> then he say that he will see if he can use other cargo x)
13:54:53  <Stablean> <Dom> Syl i was just kidding :)
13:54:59  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I know xD
13:55:05  <Stablean> <Dom> there is enough wood for everyone :)
13:55:19  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, Dom is so fast and i speak so slowly ... i was just explaining that, when he already asked you ...
13:56:30  <Stablean> <Anson> the "give back" is a joke : i had 6 forests when i started to build, and now i am left with 3 only ... while at the same time, there were only 4 in the south and now you have 8
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13:57:38  <Stablean> <Anson> the game relocated them "from me to you" (c by the beatles :-)
13:57:41  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
13:57:47  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Wb
13:58:07  <Stablean> <Dom> hey V
13:58:21  <Stablean> <V453000> Anson are you aware that whenever you build an overflow for drop station, a thousand kitties die?
13:58:35  <Stablean> <Dom> i build that
13:58:45  <Stablean> <V453000> ok :d
13:58:57  <Stablean> <V453000> they still die!
13:59:07  <Stablean> <Dom> i do not like cats :) i prefer dogs ;)
13:59:34  <Stablean> <Anson> i am just learning about those networks ... saw the stations with logic gates by CB yesterday and invented my own version :-)
13:59:56  <Stablean> <V453000> nah last game you had overflow on a drop station which is completely pointless :)
13:59:58  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Oh V, just one question
14:00:08  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> can we use lev 3 "pegasus" as a logic engine ?
14:00:22  <Stablean> <Anson> using two platforms and a WP, to ensure that trains always servuice them in the correct direction and timing, in contrast to most of CB's yesterday
14:00:22  <Stablean> <V453000> what do you mean by logic engine
14:00:30  <Stablean> <V453000> you can use any train in a logic gate
14:00:48  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> to create a low reaction time logic gate
14:00:58  <Stablean> <V453000> it doesnt have to be that low
14:01:01  <Stablean> <V453000> Lev3 is still pretty fast
14:01:28  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I'm not talking the speed of the engine
14:01:29  <Stablean> <V453000> in fact, the Logic Engine is not needed for 99% constructions
14:01:33  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> but the reaction time of the gate
14:01:47  <Stablean> <V453000> the gate can still react instantly if you are lucky
14:01:54  <Stablean> <V453000> the speed of engines just makes it more reliable to react that way
14:02:05  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ok, I see
14:02:05  <Stablean> <V453000> well sort of
14:02:08  <Stablean> <Anson> logic shouldn't have any luck or RNG in it
14:02:28  <Stablean> <V453000> either way, if you want a longer response time, it is a lot better to have a fast gate, and then a delayer
14:02:46  <Stablean> <V453000> because if you have a gate with slow trains, it can react quickly OR slowly or something in between
14:03:00  <Stablean> <V453000> but if you have a gate with fast trains and a delay, the reaction time is always the same, or close to it
14:03:10  <Stablean> <V453000> making it a lot more reliable
14:03:16  <Stablean> <Anson> that's what i was referring to when i said "luck or RNG" :-)
14:03:22  <Stablean> <V453000> +-
14:04:21  <Stablean> <Dom> loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
14:04:27  <Stablean> <Dom> fuck fuck fuck
14:04:33  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> neh ?
14:04:35  <Stablean> <V453000> is that a new song?
14:04:41  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> (thx V)
14:04:44  <Stablean> <Dom> not damn forest dissaperda xD
14:04:51  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> again ? 8D
14:04:53  <Stablean> <V453000> mierda!
14:05:01  <Stablean> <Dom> si mi amore si xD
14:05:07  <Stablean> <V453000> bastardo forestido
14:05:14  <Stablean> <Dom> oh anson look at contown woods
14:05:20  <Stablean> <Dom> that station i meant
14:05:22  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ... in english please (no, don't hit me x) )
14:05:36  <Stablean> <V453000> cmon it is improvised spanishenglish
14:05:42  <Stablean> <Dom> no habla espaniol :)
14:05:49  <Stablean> <Dom> che pasa hombré :)
14:05:59  <Stablean> <V453000> ^ dont understand that shit
14:06:13  <Stablean> <Dom> non habla espaniol = i do not speak spanish
14:06:13  <Stablean> <Anson> when i started building the first two stations of my loop, there were 6 forests ... when i finished them, 2 forests were gone ... and when i finished all four, a few months later one of them disappeared too :-(
14:06:24  <Stablean> <Dom> che pasa hombré = whats happening dude
14:06:30  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :)
14:07:00  <Stablean> <V453000> I thought it is written que passa
14:07:07  <Stablean> <Anson> when people start working on pax, they will get a surprise ... towns are building roads by themselves, and they even build crossings with my tracks
14:07:17  <Stablean> <V453000> zz
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14:07:49  <V453000> !rcon set allow_town_roads
14:07:49  <Stablean> V453000: Current value for 'allow_town_roads' is: 'on' (min: 0, max: 1)
14:07:54  <V453000> !rcon set allow_town_roads 0
14:07:54  <Stablean> V453000: ERROR: This command/variable is not available during network games.
14:07:58  <V453000> oh fuck
14:08:01  <Stablean> <Dom> ?
14:08:05  <V453000> that setting cant be changed in mp game
14:08:10  <Stablean> <V453000> oh well
14:08:13  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
14:08:31  <Stablean> <V453000> have fun with evergrowing towns I guess :D
14:08:41  <Stablean> <Dom> not gonna happen :)
14:08:47  <Stablean> <V453000> it is
14:08:57  <Stablean> <V453000> they will obstruct a lot even if you ignore them
14:09:23  <Stablean> <V453000> and if you dont ignore and service them you will just get mad because they will build wrong roads :)
14:09:46  <Stablean> <Anson> this map was loaded in the night by Mazur, after we had once again some default map without grfs ....
14:10:00  <Stablean> <V453000> mhm
14:10:23  <Stablean> <V453000> I read that Mazur made it, might want to inform him about that setting if you dont like it :)
14:10:36  <Mazur> Which setting?
14:10:49  <Mazur> Oh.
14:11:05  <Mazur> Derives from my SP defaults.
14:11:09  <Stablean> <Anson> i have not much to do with towns, except using them for goods drops, and avoiding them to give pax players more space
14:11:37  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, mazur, that also explains the station spread :-)
14:11:45  <Mazur> Indeed.
14:12:01  <Stablean> <Anson> very tempting to use teleporters with 64 ....
14:12:01  <Mazur> BUt I was awake when you guys noticed that, so I fixed it then.
14:12:13  <Mazur> I know, but we forbid them.
14:12:20  <Stablean> <Dom> so anson none of our towns will grow :)
14:12:42  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, you were the only one who responded after an hour ... big thanks that we got any map with grfs
14:12:48  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hi Mazur (was afk)
14:13:15  <Mazur> It's a seting for a game reset in 2200 AD.
14:13:33  <Mazur> No iodea whether that can be configured.
14:13:39  <Stablean> <Anson> what is the max range that can be used for stations collecting cargo from several mines of forests ?
14:13:49  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> 64 I think
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14:14:19  <Mazur> We have no specific limit we allow, basically it's whatever the station spread allows.
14:14:57  <Mazur> I personally hate coming up against that limit in SP, so I have it on 64 default.
14:15:16  <Stablean> <Anson> using the station spread, you can teleport cargo from many mines to a single pickup .... or isn't that considered teleporting or station hopping or whatever ?
14:17:15  <Mazur> If you use creative station tiles to make it look like an industrial terrain, few will complain.
14:18:01  <Stablean> <Anson> eyecandy stations : it would be nice if stations cost no money to replace existing station tiles
14:18:31  <Stablean> <Anson> then it would be a lot easier early in the game (before you have billions of cash) to create nice looking stations
14:19:01  <Mazur> BUt it does, you have to tear down hte old buidling, at least partly, lay new eleectricity, gas and water lines, build hte new stuff....
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14:26:08  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, nice idea, mazur, but it shouldn't apply when you have some storage area built and want to stack wood there instead of lumber :-)
14:27:20  <Stablean> <Anson> or when you want to build a second platform and don't want to have two loading bridges ... then you need to build a station with 2 tracks, and the buildings on one of them are not changed at all, but still cost money
14:28:02  <Stablean> <Anson> on the other hand, adding a tile to a station often causes the whole station to be changed, buildings to move, etc, while that costs only money for the one new tile
14:31:03  <Mazur> So you see: it all works out in hte end.
14:31:06  <Mazur> :-))
14:31:13  <Stablean> <Dom> ups sry :)
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15:13:55  <Stablean> <Dom> wb Syl
15:14:01  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> thx Dom
15:16:59  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Dom, can I have advice to redo my good pick station ?
15:17:11  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> (Tadham Bois)
15:17:14  <Stablean> <Dom> in a moment Syl
15:17:24  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ok :)
15:23:03  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> afk
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15:23:43  <Stablean> <Phillip> hello
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15:23:49  <Stablean> <Dom> hey philip :)
15:27:55  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> here we go
15:27:58  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hi phillip
15:28:21  <Stablean> <Phillip> Hi [FR]Syl59.
15:28:51  <Stablean> <Dom> Syl i'll be ready in a minute
15:29:46  <Stablean> <Anson> or two, or three ... :-) ... still trying to solve the mysteries of hidden rails, existing and nonexisting signals, etc
15:32:48  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ok ok, don't hurry up for me x)
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15:38:06  <Stablean> <Dom> so syl where do you need me?=
15:38:20  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Near tadham, My good pick
15:38:30  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I want to redo it but I don't know how
15:38:40  <Stablean> <Dom> you want a reverser station?
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15:38:54  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> hum ...
15:39:16  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Is it possible do adjust an overflow and a reverser on a big station ?
15:39:26  <Stablean> <Dom> it is
15:39:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Well ...
15:39:50  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> let's do it, join my company
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15:42:01  <Stablean> <Anson> DOM, trains just start passing the station entry and don't go in ... again ...
15:42:27  <Stablean> <Dom> Anson where=?
15:42:47  <Stablean> <Anson> at Denford, like before
15:43:46  <Stablean> <Anson> the PBS didn't help
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15:44:26  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I think CB do like that on the map before
15:44:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> or with a combo
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15:48:35  <Stablean> <Anson> LOL ... now all trains are going in !!!!!
15:49:05  <Stablean> <Anson> *ALL* trains ... try it and wait if entry is filled
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15:49:53  <Stablean> <Anson> and now NONE enters ... again ...
15:49:55  <Stablean> <Dom> ill build the station first
15:50:06  <Stablean> <Dom> xD Ansons just play around with it
15:52:01  <Stablean> <Anson> CURRENTLY, it works again ... just as i would have thought it should ...
15:52:27  <Stablean> <Anson> but some time earlier, I THINK, i had built the same signals and it didn't work
15:53:18  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Buid it now x)
15:53:46  <Stablean> <Anson> still works ...
15:55:12  <Stablean> <Anson> i think i got it ... (sings) ... i think i got it :-)
15:55:27  <Stablean> <Anson> the rain in spain .... :-) LOL
15:56:26  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Jabba The Hut is an unreachable point ?
15:56:34  <Stablean> <Dom> yes
15:57:28  <Stablean> <Dom> :)
15:57:42  <Stablean> <Dom> always :)
16:02:49  <Stablean> <Dom> no only the exit
16:02:57  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Can do it x)
16:03:09  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> if i'ts a normal one
16:03:13  <Stablean> <Dom> yes xD
16:03:19  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ok, thx a lot :)
16:03:21  <Stablean> <Dom> idk did you want something special?
16:03:23  <Stablean> <Dom> :D
16:03:33  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> If there is specail exit ... :')
16:04:03  <Stablean> <Dom> idk xD i think a normal exit will do good :)
16:04:17  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> oki xD
16:04:20  <Stablean> <Dom> btw do not forgett to buy all the land around towns so they do not grow
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16:17:32  <Stablean> <Dom> anyways i gtgo
16:17:39  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> kbb
16:17:43  <Stablean> <Dom> cya later :)
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16:22:49  <Stablean> <Anson> did someone change the max station spread "on the fly" ?
16:43:14  <Mazur> Someone did.
16:43:27  <Mazur> Correcting the initial error.
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16:49:57  <Stablean> <Anson> not an error, but an unwanted feature :-) ... but still thanks anyway for getting us any nice new map with grfs
16:50:43  <Stablean> <Anson> i only noticed it when i wanted to set down two copies of a waypoint, 50 tiles apart, instead of using a dummy tunnel for some logic gates
16:54:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> Any objections to building near Mindham (Anson esp)?
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17:00:41  <Stablean> <Anson> when you build near any town, watch out for growth ... if they didn't change it "on the fly", towns grow by themselves
17:01:03  <Stablean> <Jam35> k
17:01:22  <Stablean> <Anson> i have no objections against you building there, as long as you leave some space for (new) tracks, and don't take too much wood
17:01:32  <Stablean> <Jam35> sure np
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17:16:00  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
17:16:19  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> hello Dnz
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17:41:06  <Stablean> <Anson> how/when are implicit orders cleared ?
17:41:38  <Stablean> <Anson> why do they always add up, even including duplicate destinations ?
17:42:20  <Stablean> <Anson> will the game crash when the order list grows to several hundreds of implicit orders ?
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17:57:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> wb
17:57:42  <Stablean> <Dom> hello :)
17:57:44  <Stablean> <Dom> ty :)
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17:58:06  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, dom ... something still not working properly :-) :-(
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18:00:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> thanks for the money :)
18:00:24  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> you're welcome :)
18:00:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> you could tell I was struggling there...
18:01:22  <Stablean> <Jam35> not easy when everything you build near immediately closes!
18:01:45  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> it's more diifuclt ti buid somthing with the inflation ...
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18:17:08  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I've to go, cya tomorrow
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18:17:14  <Stablean> <Phillip> bye
18:17:14  <Stablean> <Dom> bye bye
18:25:57  <Stablean> <Dom> aber jetuzt :)
18:27:35  <Stablean> <Dom> aaaaaaaaah
18:27:35  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
18:36:53  <Stablean> <Dom> ..
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18:53:56  <Stablean> <Dom> wtf?!
18:54:02  <Stablean> <Phillip> ???
18:54:24  <Stablean> <Dom> team chat phil :)
18:54:50  <Stablean> <Phillip> Then you forgot to do team chat then.
18:54:58  <Stablean> <Dom> indeed i di d :)
18:55:29  <Stablean> <Anson> i often do the opposite, forgetting to use SHIFT since i have default set to team chat
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18:59:43  <Stablean> <Anson> hat sicgh selber repariert, oder hast du nochma was angehalten ?
18:59:50  <Stablean> <Anson> STOP
19:00:13  <Stablean> <Anson> oh, dom left team,. and default without teammates is all ...
19:00:38  <Guest682> ?
19:00:42  *** Guest682 is now known as Dom
19:00:59  <Dom> Identify
19:01:03  <Dom> !identify
19:01:05  <Dom> ...
19:01:19  *** Dom is now known as Guest691
19:01:27  *** Guest691 is now known as DomDom
19:01:28  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, dom ... we still have another problem ... a forest alost had died
19:01:42  <Stablean> <Anson> because of a badly serviced station
19:01:52  <Stablean> *** Dom joined the game
19:02:05  <Stablean> <Dom> there are no badly serviced stations in a SRNW
19:02:07  <Stablean> <Dom> ...
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19:15:13  <Phillip> hmmm. i need to register my name too.
19:15:54  <Phillip> !identify
19:16:23  <Phillip> IDENTIFY
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19:22:37  <Mazur> Try: /msg NickServ help identify
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19:52:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi
19:58:31  <Mazur> lo
19:59:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
19:59:29  <Stablean> <Dom> hey jam
19:59:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> hiya
19:59:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> oh other get a hi :(
19:59:49  <Stablean> <Dom> oh sry hey chris :):)
19:59:59  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> to late Dom :P
20:00:03  <Stablean> <Dom> i've been afk so i didnt see you ;)
20:00:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ok
20:00:30  <Stablean> <Jam35> ...
20:00:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
20:00:40  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi Jam35
20:02:46  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you are liking your SRNW Dom
20:02:57  <Stablean> <Dom> ?
20:03:07  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, CB ... since you started to build these stations in the last game, i couldn't stop trying to build them myself with the added luxury of trains always going in the right direction, and without logic trains
20:03:38  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> ah
20:04:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> the logic train are fun
20:04:15  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> you can do them a 3rd way
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20:05:51  <Stablean> <Dom> yeah it's working :)
20:06:01  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> no it isnt
20:06:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> it has 2 x 90
20:06:10  <Stablean> <Dom> hmm..
20:06:16  <Stablean> <Dom> ?
20:06:44  <Stablean> <Anson> i did the stations, and dom did the part i didn't get right : forcing trains in the stations ... (besides the wrong signal that cost us hours :-)
20:06:59  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
20:07:17  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Dom: watch my trains
20:07:35  <Stablean> <Dom> i see no 90° curves
20:07:51  <Stablean> *** Mazur joined the game
20:07:57  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> now trains use it
20:08:24  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> and now you fail
20:08:26  <Stablean> *** Mazur has joined company #6
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20:08:41  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> signal needs moving
20:09:04  <Stablean> <Mazur> Where are you guys busy?
20:09:11  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not here
20:09:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> think Dom is st Denford
20:09:33  <Stablean> <Dom> indeed i am :)
20:10:19  <Stablean> <Mazur> 90°, that;s VERY basic.
20:10:29  <Stablean> <Dom> i know -.-"
20:10:29  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not me it was Dom
20:10:44  <Stablean> <Mazur> Is DOm a virgin, then?
20:10:55  <Stablean> <Mazur> An OTTD virgin, that is.
20:11:10  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> dom is no
20:11:12  <Stablean> <Dom> well let's not say virgin let's say noob :D
20:11:27  <Stablean> <Mazur> So you know one thing, but not two.
20:11:58  <Stablean> <Mazur> From where CB and I are that's about the same, though.
20:12:17  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i think i am not an OTTD n00b, but a OTTDcoop and network n00b ....
20:13:35  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> Mazur: I am a noob
20:13:57  <Stablean> <Mazur> Yes, you are, CB.
20:14:19  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> this is a rather shocking map
20:15:10  <Stablean> <Mazur> Well, it's just something I cobbled together some time before, and had to put in hastuily last night at 4 am.
20:15:27  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> what was wrong with the old map?
20:15:42  <Stablean> <Mazur> Reset at 2200 AD.
20:15:48  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... we had a default map without grfs again ... and mazur saved us
20:15:50  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> lol
20:16:08  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> not sure about saved
20:16:54  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I can say it is better than trying to find the 'Race' condition in some idiot .js
20:18:28  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> I was wondering if I could interface with openttd var some .js though
20:23:34  <Stablean> <Dom> hmmm
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20:43:20  <Stablean> <Liuk Sk> hi
20:43:23  <Stablean> <Chris Booth> hi
20:44:01  <Stablean> <Dom> hello Luik
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21:30:41  <Stablean> <Dom> i know :)
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21:47:56  <Stablean> <Dom> Anson?
22:10:07  <Stablean> <Dom> damn -.-"
22:32:02  <Stablean> <Dom> it works :D
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22:48:15  <Stablean> <Dom> ok :)
22:52:10  <Stablean> <Dom> yes
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22:57:19  <Stablean> <Mazur> All well, Dom?
22:57:26  <Stablean> <Dom> wb
22:57:32  <Stablean> <Dom> it is :)
22:58:08  <Stablean> <Mazur> Ah, since you queried for Anson a few minutes back, I wondered whether you needed help.
22:58:34  <Stablean> <Dom> thanks :)
22:59:00  <Stablean> <Mazur> Since you don't, I'll go back kicking the Spanish out of the colonies.
22:59:14  <Stablean> <Dom> xD what are you playin?
22:59:28  <Stablean> <Anson> we just finished converting the entire networks to mono ...
22:59:30  <Stablean> <Mazur> FreeCol.
22:59:44  <Stablean> <Mazur> Yes, I saw.
23:00:03  <Stablean> <Mazur> FreeCol ios is an open Colonisation clone.
23:00:21  <Stablean> <Anson> quite some work with this different universal rail
23:00:21  <Stablean> <Mazur> BIt like OTTD is for TTD.
23:00:31  <Stablean> <Dom> is it any good?
23:01:33  <Stablean> <Dom> ok
23:01:41  <Stablean> <Mazur> I play it a lot, as I can play it solo and have fun.  I don't generally have muhc trouble with the other nations, but I dislike them bringing me down, anyway.
23:02:33  <Stablean> <Mazur> Now with Mono you'll have more trouble from those tight corners, btw.
23:03:04  <Stablean> <Mazur> Anyway, see ya.
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23:03:09  <Stablean> <Dom> n8
23:05:36  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
23:22:03  <Mazur> Oh,not going to bed for quite a while, et.
23:22:21  <Stablean> <Dom> wb .)
23:24:38  <Mazur> Mever was gone.  Well, using a diffrerent virtual desktop, but that's just a keypress away.
23:29:35  <Stablean> <Dom> drop station for tl 7 finished
23:29:58  <Mazur> Off to eat, back later.
23:30:05  <Stablean> <Dom> bb
23:33:57  <Stablean> <Dom> n8
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