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06:27:16 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 06:27:31 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 06:27:31 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 06:43:55 <DiAbL0> !pause 06:43:55 <Stablean> DiAbL0: you must be channel op to use !pause 06:44:24 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 06:47:05 <Stablean> *** Diablo has joined company #7 07:01:12 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 07:01:15 *** DiAbL0 has quit IRC 07:22:50 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 07:27:18 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has joined company #1 07:28:07 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 07:28:07 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 07:28:37 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 07:28:58 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has joined company #1 07:37:12 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 07:37:12 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 07:50:53 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 07:51:09 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 07:51:09 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 07:51:25 <Stablean> *** Anson joined the game 07:51:56 <Anson> shall i pause it? 07:54:11 <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, cameron, are you online, or AFK, or maybe fallen asleep ? 07:54:25 <Stablean> <Cameron> both i guess 07:54:31 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined spectators 07:54:31 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 07:54:35 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe 07:54:43 <Stablean> <Cameron> i do have to leave tho 07:55:20 <Stablean> <Anson> there often are people who have problems to join the game while it is running, and they lose con because "processing map took too long" 07:55:32 <Stablean> <Anson> it then helps to pause the game, let them join, and continue 07:55:37 <Stablean> *** Anson has paused the server. 07:55:41 <Stablean> *** Anson has enabled autopause mode. 07:57:15 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined company #4 07:57:17 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 07:57:46 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined spectators 07:57:46 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:03:13 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined company #3 08:03:17 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:04:43 *** ODM has quit IRC 08:05:47 *** DiAbL0 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 08:06:26 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 08:06:41 <Stablean> *** Anson has paused the server. 08:06:42 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:06:42 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (processing map took too long) 08:06:42 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 08:07:01 <Stablean> <Anson> diablo, try again now :-) 08:07:01 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 08:07:08 <Stablean> <Diablo> hi anson 08:07:12 <Stablean> <Diablo> thanks 08:07:22 <Stablean> *** Diablo has enabled autopause mode. 08:07:24 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:07:45 <Stablean> *** Diablo has joined company #7 08:07:58 <Stablean> <Anson> cameron is logged in a lot, but i don't know whether he got what it takes to help you :-) 08:08:39 <Stablean> <Diablo> camerons on almost 24/7, but never talks 08:09:15 <Stablean> <Anson> a few minutes ago, he did ... when i asked whether he was online, afk or fallen asleep ... he answered "bith i guess" 08:10:18 <Stablean> <Diablo> at least hes active 08:10:28 <Stablean> <Anson> I'm online a lot too ... and i try to spectate when i am not busy, but also sometime fall asleep while watching trains autoreplace or something :-) 08:11:11 <Stablean> <Diablo> that has got to b 1 of the boringist parts of the game 08:12:01 <Stablean> <Anson> also depends in the size of the network ... even without jams, it takes half a year at least for mine 08:12:36 <Stablean> <Diablo> what do u think of my idea of banks at major cities? 08:13:03 <Stablean> <Cameron> go for it :) 08:13:05 <Stablean> <Cameron> V may not like it 08:13:10 <Stablean> <Anson> that is the only cargo besides pax and mail allowed in this game ... thus a nice addition 08:13:56 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined company #4 08:14:15 <Stablean> <Anson> the mixture of mail, pax and valuables also adds a bit of a challenge to a pure pax network :-) 08:14:20 <Stablean> <Diablo> increased ncome by 3.5mil in the first year 08:14:22 <Stablean> <Cameron> built two banks 08:17:00 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (general timeout) 08:17:01 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (connection lost) 08:17:13 <Stablean> <Diablo> watch olympics? 08:18:33 <Stablean> <Anson> only occasionally ... eg when i eat in the kitchen, i switch on that TV set :-) 08:19:11 <Stablean> <Diablo> what country r u in again? 08:19:33 <Stablean> <Diablo> germany? 08:19:48 <Stablean> <Anson> mostly, i stay with my usual routine of RL tasks, ottd, and watching old series which they finally show on some new stations 08:19:56 <Stablean> <Anson> yes, berlin 08:20:38 <Stablean> <Anson> what do you think of the old tv series ? most of them are better than the new ones ... less action and more contents 08:21:04 <Stablean> <Diablo> what decade? 08:21:42 <Stablean> <Diablo> im too young to remember the 90s and early 00s 08:21:45 <Stablean> <Anson> for movies, they replaced contents with action ... you won't remember the story, but the special FX ...on old b/w movies, i often can't remember whether they were b/w or color :-) 08:22:16 <Stablean> <Anson> i am a bit older :-) ... a tiny bit :-) ... watched star trek when it was new :-) LOL 08:22:38 <Stablean> <Diablo> u once told me that u owned an original apple mac 08:23:05 <Stablean> <Anson> no, not mac, but Apple ][+ 08:23:15 <Stablean> <Anson> that one was a few year before the mac 08:23:36 <Stablean> <Diablo> ooooohhhhh :-) 08:24:11 <Stablean> <Anson> at that time, you had a choice of three computers ... PET (an ancestor of the C64), Apple ][+, or TRS/80 08:24:29 <Stablean> <Diablo> trs/80? 08:25:05 <Stablean> <Anson> C64 and apple had 6502 processors, TRS-80 had the Z80 08:25:26 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined spectators 08:26:24 <Stablean> <Diablo> is that b4 the 8xxx series ROMs? 08:26:29 <Stablean> <Anson> those processors all had at most 64 KB ram ... and later bill gates did the famous statement about the newPC that nobody ever would need more ram :-) 08:26:52 <Stablean> <Anson> Z80, 8080, etc 08:27:18 <Stablean> <Diablo> and look at us now; desktops can have upto 64GB 08:28:12 <Stablean> <Anson> that series evolved to the current PC processors, while the 6502 had the 68000 as successor (able to address more than 64kb, up to several MB :-) 08:28:46 <Stablean> <Diablo> does that still exist? 08:29:08 <Stablean> <Anson> the 6502 and 68000 still exist ... im my storage room :-) 08:29:19 <Stablean> <Diablo> lol 08:29:37 <Stablean> <Anson> but i don't think there are many people using those old computers 08:29:37 <Stablean> <Diablo> so thats a possibly not 08:30:11 <Stablean> <Diablo> let me guess; ur still using an intel 08:30:21 <Stablean> <Anson> there are emulators on the PC, to emulate the old apple ][+ and C64 .... 08:30:47 <Stablean> <Diablo> i know, used 1 b4 08:31:19 <Stablean> <Anson> i once (many years ago) used an emulator for the mac on my old PC, and on that mac, i used an emulator for the Apple ][+ :-) 08:31:45 <Stablean> <Diablo> lol 08:31:56 <Stablean> <Anson> and even many years ago, that Apple ][+ emulator on a mac emulator on a PC was a LOT faster than the original Aple ][+ 08:33:55 <Stablean> <Anson> don't ask me about exact numbers, but processor speed increased a lot when i switched from 6502 to 68000 ... a gigantic 1 MHz 08:34:29 <Stablean> <Diablo> r u still using an intel like back in the day? 08:34:44 <Stablean> <Anson> to be hones ... i don't care :-( 08:35:02 <Stablean> <Anson> I'm now using a PC ... 08:35:42 <Stablean> <Anson> in the old days, i programmed the CPU ... using assembler, or most of the time even programming it directly in hex :-) 08:36:08 <Stablean> <Diablo> complex stuff 08:36:12 <Stablean> <Anson> at that time, you could know all the details of the operating system, know all the port addresses, etc, and program it directly 08:36:44 <Stablean> <Anson> with 64 kb ram, the operating system was in some rom with only a few KB ... not much to learn 08:37:36 <Stablean> <Anson> a friend and me once modified our apples ... added som,e more ram :-) 08:37:46 <Stablean> <Diablo> u need a lot of study for programing ports etc 08:38:08 <Stablean> <Diablo> now 08:38:15 <Stablean> <Anson> the original apple had 16, 32 or 48 KB ram, and operating system, ports etc were in the remaining 16 kb address space 08:38:45 <Stablean> <Anson> (remember: i am speaking of KB, not MB or GB) 08:39:19 <Stablean> <Diablo> i know, i am well familiar with computer 08:39:30 <Stablean> <Anson> later, apple offered a ram extension which (with some tricks) would allow 64 KB ram to be used, together with those 16KB for OS and ports 08:40:00 <Stablean> <Diablo> watching the hockey? 08:40:20 <Stablean> <Anson> we thought it would be a nice idea to add more ram ... and upgraded the 24 chips in our computers to 4 times normal capacity 08:40:51 <Stablean> <Diablo> thats a big mobo 08:41:09 <Stablean> <Anson> just as big as current mobos 08:41:39 <Stablean> <Diablo> 30cm*30cm 08:42:01 <Stablean> <Anson> the "ports" were not like todays usb, graphics or whatever, but they were simple pins which could be switched on and off ... eg to do yound on the speaker :-) 08:42:27 <Stablean> <Anson> that was before the time when computers got sound chips 08:43:37 <Stablean> <Anson> the external storage were floppies with 140 KB capacity ... and since we quadrupled our 48 KB ram, we got an additional 144 KB :-) whatr a coincidence 08:44:09 <Stablean> <Anson> ideal to put a morror image of a floppy in that ram, and the driver for the ramdisk in the remaining 4 KB 08:44:27 <Stablean> <Anson> my friend did the hardware mod, and i programmed the drivers 08:45:05 <Stablean> <Diablo> brb 08:45:11 <Stablean> <Anson> some game which was not playable before since it took 2 minutes to load the next level now would load the next level in 2 seconds :-) 08:47:03 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (general timeout) 08:47:03 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (connection lost) 08:47:05 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:49:04 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:49:04 <Stablean> *** Diablo joined the game 08:49:15 <Stablean> <Anson> WB 08:50:44 <Stablean> <Anson> can you imagine producing computer sound with a simple speaker which only could be triggered on and off, no analog input and no multipls channels ? 08:50:46 <Stablean> <Diablo> i think ur winning in olympic hockey 08:50:59 <Stablean> <Diablo> no 08:51:00 <Stablean> <Anson> i don't win ... i am not playing :-) 08:52:06 <Stablean> <Anson> the computer hardware (amplifier from digital output to drive a speaker) was so slow that you could generate a high frequency and the speaker would be stuck "in the middle" 08:52:37 <Stablean> <Diablo> lol :) 08:52:48 <Stablean> <Anson> by changing the relation of on and off signal, you could make the speaker behave like an analog device, producing better sound 08:53:10 <Stablean> <Diablo> sounds faesible 08:53:56 <Stablean> <Anson> i improved on that methos by mixing two sound sources and computing the needed merged on/off ratio :-) 08:54:12 <Stablean> <Diablo> nice 08:54:22 <Stablean> <Anson> and there you had it : two-voice analog output with a simple flip flop trigger :-) 08:54:44 <Stablean> <Anson> more than 2 was not possible since speed of the computer was too slow 08:56:10 <Stablean> <Anson> anyway, that was a time when i knew all those details about the OS and ports, and when i programmed the processor in hex 08:56:57 <Stablean> <Anson> when i switched to the next computer, it was a bigger Atari 1040, which had a new OIS with graphics, like windows without multitasking :-) LOL 08:57:19 <Stablean> <Diablo> do u still remember how to spell ur name in computer languages? 08:57:37 <Stablean> <Anson> that was more than you could learn to program yourself (in detail), and when it broke down after some thunder&lightning, i had to buy a new one 08:58:03 <Stablean> <Diablo> damn t&l 08:58:15 <Stablean> <Anson> 65 is A ... and i could compute the rest in my brain :-) 08:58:57 <Stablean> <Anson> and at that time, there were not many alternatives ... either the old mac or a PC ... 08:59:27 <Stablean> <Anson> the mac had less features, you couldn't add some new cards to modify anything, and it cost double of the PC 08:59:45 <Stablean> <Diablo> like it does now 08:59:51 <Stablean> <Anson> thus i got my first PC ... and then was stuck with it since i wanted to keep using old software on it 09:00:29 <Stablean> <Anson> even though i can't run some of the old software (it requires DOS, not a dos clone on windows shell) 09:00:51 <Stablean> <Diablo> DOS-Box? 09:01:14 <Stablean> <Anson> and snce that time, i still program, but no longer the CPU directly, nor assembler 09:01:48 <Stablean> <Anson> i still have the original TT floppy, but it would need a clean DOS and won't run in a dos box on vista 09:02:14 <Stablean> <Diablo> iv dled that game 09:02:37 <Stablean> <Diablo> i played it on DSOS-Box0.74 09:02:47 <Stablean> <Diablo> *DOD 09:02:53 <Stablean> <Diablo> *DOS 09:03:32 <Stablean> <Anson> i think the games and other software on PC were better (more choices) than on mac ... 09:03:46 <Stablean> <Diablo> still is 09:04:25 <Stablean> <Anson> and since i have some programs which requires windows, i still use it ... and not linux or something like that 09:05:03 <Stablean> <Diablo> iv never used any unix based oses 09:05:38 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i use a *nix clone all the time ... it is the OS in my videorecorder :-) 09:06:33 <Stablean> <Anson> i can access it over my LAN and have done a small program on windows to query it for its disk directories and compute how much space is still available :-) 09:06:52 <Stablean> <Anson> it helped a lot to know some *nix features to do that 09:07:14 <Stablean> <Diablo> similar to disk manager? 09:08:04 <Stablean> <Anson> the program logs into the VCR, does a directory query and my program counts the space :-) 09:08:38 <Stablean> <Anson> # ls -lR /tmp/usbmounts 09:08:48 <Stablean> <Diablo> we both lost the hockey 09:08:59 <Stablean> <Anson> /tmp/usbmounts: 09:09:25 <Stablean> <Diablo> anything after that? 09:09:27 <Stablean> <Anson> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2249732096 Aug 6 09:00 20120806_0728_01.mpg 09:10:11 <Stablean> <Diablo> :/ 09:10:20 <Stablean> <Diablo> :? 09:10:46 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, that is a recording done this morning ... 90 mins of video in 2.2 GB 09:11:12 <Stablean> <Diablo> tv show or movie? 09:11:19 <Stablean> <Anson> that's what i meant that knowing a bit of *nix is useful ... 09:12:07 <Stablean> <Anson> -rex are permissions, root is the owner, 2249... is the filesize, then the date and filename 09:12:40 <Stablean> <Anson> it is on an USB stick which i later plug in my comp and can cut the commercials to keep only the pure movie 09:13:58 <Stablean> <Anson> most boring part about it is to wait for the cut movie to be written ... almost takes 15 mins for every hour of video :-( 09:14:38 <Stablean> <Diablo> *sigh* 09:14:48 <Stablean> <Anson> later i store it on some big external USB drives ... makes for nice collections :-) 09:15:14 <Stablean> <Anson> will take years if i ever should decide to watch it :-) LOL 09:15:29 <Stablean> <Diablo> cheaper than store bought DVDs 09:15:51 <Stablean> <Anson> depends .... 09:16:14 <Stablean> <Anson> if you buy the DVDs only a year later, you can get many of them for a few EUR only 09:16:40 <Stablean> <Anson> and you may not calculate the cost of time when doing it yourself :-) 09:16:50 <Stablean> <Diablo> 1 yr to come down to 1 EUR 09:17:08 <Stablean> <Diablo> thats short 09:17:31 <Stablean> <Anson> buy DVD : 1 DVD = 2-20, mostly 5 EUR 09:17:50 <Stablean> <Anson> burn DVD yourself : 1 DVD = 2 movies 09:18:13 <Stablean> <Diablo> 1 EUR=~NZ.5 09:19:07 <Stablean> <Diablo> brb 09:21:45 <Stablean> <Anson> store on USB drive : 4 GB = 3 hours = 2 movies (like i had on burnt DVDs), thus my newest harddisk holds maybe 2200 hours = 1100 mivies = 4000+ episodes :-) 09:23:23 <Stablean> <Diablo> thats a few 09:24:49 <Stablean> <Anson> not much if you record a series ... 09:25:04 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 09:25:52 <Stablean> <Anson> we just had a new station 3 months ago, and they started broadcasting complete reruns of some series ... 100 episodes of 4 series = 400 total in only 3 months 09:26:46 <Stablean> <Anson> TV is always running in the background when i am onklie :-) 09:26:59 <Stablean> <Anson> * online 09:27:30 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined company #3 09:27:34 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 09:27:34 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 09:28:51 <Stablean> <Diablo> seen the league table recently? 09:29:18 <Stablean> <Anson> you are 2nd 09:29:43 <Stablean> <Diablo> thats higher than i expected to be 09:30:11 <Stablean> <Anson> red was top for years ... 09:30:13 <Stablean> <Diablo> i expected to be within the bottom 5 09:30:47 <Stablean> <Diablo> then something bad happened in 2037 09:30:58 <Stablean> <Anson> look at the performance history chart 09:31:35 <Stablean> <Anson> i was on top a few years ago, for exactly 2 years ... then dropped by 100 points 09:31:42 <Stablean> <Anson> that is caused by the metros ... 09:32:00 <Stablean> <Anson> metros will never earn 20000$ or more 09:32:22 <Stablean> <Anson> thus everybody using metros in a pax game has a handicap for the performance rating 09:32:40 <Stablean> <Diablo> which 1s are the metro? 09:32:56 <Stablean> <Anson> the small ones collecting pax in towns 09:33:10 <Stablean> <Anson> no matter what train type it is 09:33:14 <Stablean> <Diablo> the suburbans 09:34:04 <Stablean> <Diablo> mine can earn upto 30k annually 09:34:20 <Stablean> <Diablo> $ 09:34:37 <Stablean> <Anson> mine are doing 1k$ to 3k$, if "transfer costs" are enabled 09:35:00 <Stablean> <Anson> in games without the transfer costs credited, they will even do negative profit 09:35:34 <Stablean> <Anson> that's one point why the performance rating doesn't tell much on how good someone plays 09:36:37 <Stablean> <Anson> i could just put down 50 more stations in other towns to get a better rating for 80+ stations 09:37:18 <Stablean> <Anson> max rating in this game is not possible anyway since it requires 8+ different types of cargo and we have mostly pax, maybe mail, and then an occasional valuables transport 09:38:56 <Stablean> *** Cameron joined the game 09:39:15 <Stablean> <Diablo> IM kinda supprised the server hasnt crashed or reset yet 09:39:33 <Stablean> <Cameron> good ol' gamecube still works 09:39:47 <Stablean> <Cameron> runs an 11 yo game fine 09:40:06 <Stablean> <Diablo> the wii will play them also 09:40:30 <Stablean> <Cameron> my wii can't run anything 09:41:10 <Stablean> <Cameron> Im thinking it's the way it was built(the wii) for the disc tray 09:41:29 <Stablean> <Cameron> dust gets in but you can't clean it? 09:41:55 <Stablean> <Cameron> 007: Nightfire 09:41:57 <Stablean> <Diablo> discovered the camecube part? 09:42:19 <Stablean> <Cameron> collecting dust in the furnace room :P 09:44:21 <Stablean> <Anson> i got a PC and don't need any PS, cube, station or whatever :-) 09:44:58 <Stablean> <Anson> when i have WOW, OTTD and my VCR, why should i get something else ? .-) 09:48:10 <Stablean> <Diablo> i got to go now 09:48:15 <Stablean> <Diablo> cyas later 09:48:18 <Stablean> *** Diablo has left the game (leaving) 09:48:32 *** DiAbL0 has quit IRC 10:03:41 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (general timeout) 10:03:43 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (connection lost) 10:05:33 <Stablean> *** jaja2939ugmf joined the game 10:24:23 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 10:24:50 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 10:24:50 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 10:25:21 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 10:26:20 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has joined company #1 10:44:47 <Stablean> <Dixon296> :) 10:46:45 <Stablean> <Dixon296> whats the third ? 10:47:00 <Stablean> <Anson> valuables ... if you fund banks yourself 10:47:13 <Stablean> <Dixon296> k 10:48:52 <Stablean> <Anson> the bank buildings look really nice .... but i would like to have a heli landing space on them :-) LOL 10:52:15 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 10:53:04 <Stablean> <Anson> WB 10:53:06 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 10:53:07 <Stablean> <Dixon296> ty 10:54:15 <Stablean> <Anson> it's hard to lose con when you have just stopped trains or are doing some rebuild .... 10:54:30 <Stablean> <Dixon296> yup 10:54:41 <Stablean> <Anson> good to have a "little" cash reserve in such a case .... which we both do :-) LOL 10:55:42 <Stablean> <V453000> hu 10:55:42 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 10:55:55 <Stablean> <Anson> ho, v 10:55:57 <Stablean> <Dixon296> hi V 10:58:10 <Stablean> <Anson> your trains are really nice, but i can't decide whether to use maelstrom or timewave ... 10:59:13 <Stablean> <V453000> lol :) 10:59:19 <Stablean> <Anson> one type leaves 30000 pax waiting at the station but gives a multiple income ... the other transports all pax, but tends to jam because of its low speed and gives much less income 10:59:22 <Stablean> <V453000> on this long distance it should be kinda obvius 11:00:07 <Stablean> <V453000> also there are a few trains in the middle too :p not just those two extremes 11:00:29 <Stablean> <Anson> depends on whether your personak goal is to please all citisens and transport them all, or make profit like a tycoon 11:00:46 <Stablean> <V453000> well you can please citizens also with the faster trains :) 11:01:00 <Stablean> <V453000> it depends on your network a lot too 11:01:47 <Stablean> <Anson> probably ... but quite some work to completely rebuild some transfer station 11:02:18 <Stablean> <Anson> platforms are not many enough and not long enough 11:02:36 <Stablean> <V453000> well the Maelstrom for sure eats a lot more platforms than a local train .. :) 11:04:03 <Stablean> <Anson> on MY network, the timewave needs more ... it transports more, but has much worse stats and needs more time to enter/load/leave stations 11:04:29 <Stablean> <V453000> well obviously if you use one engine for TL8 it is just wrong 11:05:27 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 11:05:27 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 11:05:33 <Stablean> <Anson> i was too lazy to replace everything by hand ... 100+ trains at one time, and autoreplace doesn't take care of doubling engines 11:05:54 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 11:06:25 <Stablean> <V453000> well making TL8 with 1 engine is bad in the first place :P 11:06:35 <Stablean> <V453000> although the rail ice might be almost ok with it 11:07:58 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has joined company #1 11:08:18 <Stablean> <Anson> if you can keep the track jam-free, one engine is not too bad ... on a long route, trains have enough time to accelerate 11:08:32 <Stablean> <V453000> not really 11:08:38 <Stablean> <V453000> they accelerate for like 400 tiles 11:08:58 <Stablean> <Anson> keeping it jam-free is the problem, but probably shouldn't be solved by (only) using more power and TE 11:09:32 <Stablean> <V453000> well it helps a lot 11:09:39 <Stablean> <V453000> especially as these trains are so weak 11:10:50 <Stablean> <Anson> just tested : it takes 75 tiles to 400, 135 to 500, and 235 to full speed (603) 11:10:57 <Stablean> <V453000> .. 11:11:04 <Stablean> <V453000> thats awful 11:11:25 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 11:11:25 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 11:11:25 <Stablean> <Anson> much better than the 400 you guessed :-) 11:11:32 <Stablean> <V453000> 300 isnt that far from 400 :) 11:12:07 <Stablean> <Anson> and the other trains i had tested accelerate much better (good against jams) but then are capped to 200 or 250 or something, so that after maybe 50 ties one maelstrom still is faster than the others 11:12:29 <Stablean> <Anson> 235 ! 11:13:51 <Stablean> <V453000> yes but they also likely have higher capacity 11:15:10 <Stablean> <Anson> timewave almost has 2000 capacity, but earns only 350k$, while the maelstrom has less than 600 and earns 400k$ in a quarter of the time 11:16:49 <Stablean> <Anson> the cargo rate for pax would have to be adjusted :-) LOL ... so that the faster trains get more income per pax, but don't get too much just for the fast delivery 11:17:15 <Stablean> <V453000> it just doesnt matter 11:17:21 <Stablean> <V453000> some cash .. 11:17:44 <Stablean> <V453000> I really have no idea how could the economy be improved in order to make more emphasis on how the network looks 11:18:11 <Stablean> <Anson> yes, with your cheap running costs, cash is no problem (after the initial part of setting smething up) 11:18:13 <Stablean> <V453000> even if you have high running costs 11:18:23 <Stablean> <V453000> still the only two aspects are speed and distance 11:18:29 <Stablean> <V453000> both of which are trivial to reach 11:19:04 <Stablean> <Anson> i think the running costs need to be split, just like in real life ... 11:19:09 <Stablean> <V453000> ? 11:19:28 <Stablean> <V453000> it just doesnt matter at all 11:19:36 <Stablean> <V453000> your train is either profittable or not 11:19:42 <Stablean> <Anson> one part is general maintenance, for having the train at all, and one part is for maintaining it every xx kilometers, fuel/electricoty, etc 11:19:50 <Stablean> <V453000> based on its profit, which comes only out of speed and distance 11:20:16 <Stablean> <V453000> well 2cc set does something like that and I think that makes it even a lot more dumb, because if your trains jam, they cost less to run 11:20:26 <Stablean> <V453000> so you dont even need to try to have your network flow well 11:20:53 <Stablean> <Anson> o was also thinking of planes and some discussion on making maintenance for airports more costly (which i read only partially) 11:21:24 <Stablean> <V453000> more costly = changes nothing at all 11:21:34 <Stablean> <V453000> the logic how you play the game doesnt change 11:21:41 <Stablean> <V453000> it just takes longer to make money 11:22:19 <Stablean> <V453000> having any cost higher or lower doesnt matter 11:22:25 <Stablean> <V453000> having something like 2cc set does (less costs when trains stop) does matter, but in the wrong way imo 11:22:39 <Stablean> <Anson> when running costs are split, a jam should still have the same general costs (some maintenance, insurance, etc) while fuel cots would of course be lower :-) 11:23:00 <Stablean> <V453000> amazingly realistic 11:23:03 <Stablean> <V453000> zero sense for the game 11:23:12 <Stablean> <V453000> seriously did you even read what I just said 11:23:36 <Stablean> <Anson> the company performance also has the wrong goals for network games like this 11:24:07 <Stablean> <Anson> if you use metros to collect pax for some feed, you never will get 20k$ for ALL trains as min income 11:24:50 <Stablean> <V453000> you will if you do it correctly 11:25:02 <Stablean> <V453000> as in, if every transfer is helpful 11:25:27 <Stablean> <V453000> so your trains have to transfe towards the target, not out of it 11:25:27 <Stablean> <V453000> which is quite a limitation but it is easy to do 11:26:12 <Stablean> <Anson> this is only my second pax game ever ... did i do it completely wrong with the small trains in my towns ? 11:26:34 <Stablean> <Anson> they only get 1000-4000 per year ... 11:27:04 <Stablean> <V453000> it does not matter at all 11:27:23 <Stablean> <V453000> but in order to reach performance you would have to do it differently yes 11:27:32 <Stablean> <V453000> but again, the only difference is that you transport in different direction 11:27:38 <Stablean> <V453000> it doesnt change anything 11:27:58 <Stablean> <V453000> structure is still transfer A->B. ... all the difference is rotation 11:28:43 <Stablean> <V453000> money just dont have any effect in this game 11:46:18 <Stablean> <Anson> i still think that money has some influence ... except when you can make money first for a million years and have lots of it :-) 11:46:30 <Stablean> <Anson> eg the TF costs for water and even for land ... 11:47:07 <Stablean> <V453000> the TF is just optical thing really 11:47:21 <Stablean> <Anson> with high costs, you can only build "nicely" fitting the landscape, and not build straight lines 11:47:29 <Stablean> <V453000> the economy model stays as basic as it is 11:47:34 <Stablean> <V453000> well yes but what does that change in the end 11:47:48 <Stablean> <V453000> having a straight or curved line is ... the same 11:47:58 <Stablean> <V453000> sure, it could add some distance but .. 11:48:08 <Stablean> <Anson> more work (and more fun) to build a flowing network, instead of flattening the world 11:48:31 <Stablean> <Anson> straight or curved ... think of TL and CL ... 11:48:41 <Stablean> <V453000> that isnt related to economics 11:49:17 <Stablean> <V453000> the high TF costs etc are here only to make people behave normally. But when you play on the "unlimited" public server all that goes away 11:50:11 <Stablean> <Anson> but you stikll have some agreement on whether to do no TF, low TF, or flatten if needed ? 11:50:11 <Stablean> <V453000> and actually it does make a little bit of a difference in the start - people who are able to build without TF do get a large boost to train count early on 11:50:22 <Stablean> <V453000> well sure 11:50:33 <Stablean> <V453000> nobody "flattens" generally 11:50:59 <Stablean> *** jaja2939ugmf has left the game (leaving) 11:51:47 <Stablean> <Anson> i ws never on the PS ... only saw a few savegames, but couldn't load some of the interesting ones, and mostly also couldn't understand why something was done as it was ... would have to see the development of it 11:52:35 <Stablean> <Anson> like a movie of the whole world in a speedy version 11:53:37 <Stablean> <V453000> well it is the output of what do you reach when you ignore money 11:54:51 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, what do you think of a version where you get a large amount at first, but later on need to watch the income since normal basecost mods apply 11:55:37 <Stablean> <Anson> an easy start, but later a normal game, maybe even with harder settings for running costs etc when the network is built with the initial money 11:55:56 <Stablean> <V453000> zero influence 11:56:10 <Stablean> <V453000> once you make money and have a big start you likely have enough money to continue expanding 11:56:16 <Stablean> <V453000> no matter how you built your network 11:56:47 <Stablean> <Anson> in offline games, i sometimes cheat 1 billion money at first to build a network from the start without moneymakers etc, and later pay it back when the network is started 11:57:09 <Stablean> <V453000> sure why not 11:58:03 <Stablean> <Anson> i hate all those MM business ... either doing planes, or coal transports, and later don't like to demolish it to build over those tracks for having a nice network 11:58:41 <Stablean> <Anson> also too bad when i first make money only, skipping the challenges by slow trains etc, and later when i have money, only building fast tracks and fast trains 12:00:43 <Stablean> <V453000> well that is also something to consider, when I play on stable my "moneymaker" is always the final network too 12:07:38 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 12:29:07 <Stablean> *** Sassafrass joined the game 12:53:38 <Stablean> <Sassafrass> Anson 12:53:53 <Stablean> <Anson> yes ? 12:53:58 <Stablean> <Sassafrass> at the sorry, dear mountain sign 12:54:01 <Stablean> <Sassafrass> why is it confusing my brain 12:54:21 <Stablean> <Anson> sorry, i don't know your brain :-) 12:54:43 <Stablean> *** Sassafrass has left the game (general timeout) 12:54:43 <Stablean> *** Sassafrass has left the game (connection lost) 12:54:52 <Stablean> <Anson> usually, TF should be as few as possible 12:58:10 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 12:58:38 <Stablean> <Dixon296> hi again 12:58:48 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has joined company #1 12:58:56 <Stablean> <Anson> WB 12:59:00 <Stablean> <Dixon296> ty 13:02:21 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 13:02:21 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 13:02:56 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 13:03:01 <Stablean> <Anson> WBBBB 13:03:08 <Stablean> <Dixon296> Re-Hi 13:08:01 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 13:08:01 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 13:08:31 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 13:08:36 <Stablean> <Dixon296> grrr 13:10:21 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 13:10:21 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 13:10:55 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 joined the game 13:13:03 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (general timeout) 13:13:03 <Stablean> *** Dixon296 has left the game (connection lost) 13:26:26 <Stablean> *** Sassafrass joined the game 13:26:50 <Stablean> <Sassafrass> lost internet 13:29:39 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (general timeout) 13:29:39 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (connection lost) 13:29:39 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 13:34:46 *** Anson has quit IRC 13:37:05 <Stablean> *** Sassafrass has left the game (leaving) 13:37:20 <Stablean> *** jaja2939ugmf joined the game 13:44:21 <Stablean> *** jaja2939ugmf has left the game (leaving) 15:13:57 *** Anson has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:33:40 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:33:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 18:21:43 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:31:52 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has quit IRC 18:31:53 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:32:40 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:32:45 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:40:04 *** Chris_Booth[ph] has quit IRC 18:57:35 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest2061 18:57:40 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:00:24 *** Guest2061 has quit IRC 19:33:19 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (processing map took too long) 19:33:19 <Stablean> *** Cameron has left the game (connection lost) 19:40:08 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 19:46:42 <Stablean> *** Phillip joined the game 19:46:50 <Stablean> *** Phillip has joined company #7 19:46:50 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 19:56:23 <Stablean> <Phillip> gap 64 1 19:56:57 *** Chris_Booth has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:07:34 <Stablean> *** Phillip has left the game (leaving) 20:07:35 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 20:11:01 *** Anson has quit IRC 20:20:47 <Stablean> *** X-BT joined the game 20:23:15 <Stablean> *** X-BT has left the game (leaving) 20:40:57 <Stablean> *** Jam35 joined the game 20:43:17 *** Anson has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:45:33 <Anson> hallo, can anybody read me? (test for my connection) 20:45:55 <Stablean> <Jam35> I'm here! 20:46:22 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has left the game (leaving) 20:46:34 <Anson> i'll be back home and online in a minute :-) 20:46:59 <V453000> I cant read you 20:47:39 *** AnsonMobile has joined #openttdcoop.stable 20:49:33 <AnsonMobile> ok, i' back on my wlan again. .. previously via phone only 20:51:25 <AnsonMobile> strange.... why did i get a new username (that i had specified as alternate nick if my primary was taken)? 20:54:36 *** Anson has quit IRC 20:58:10 <Stablean> *** Cameron joined the game 20:58:58 <Stablean> *** Cameron has joined company #4 20:58:58 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 21:05:40 *** AnsonMobile has quit IRC 21:05:46 *** Anson has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:06:46 <Anson> ah... irc kept my name reserved until timeout 480 :-) 21:07:19 <Stablean> *** Anson joined the game 21:10:11 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined company #3 21:42:26 *** Chris_Booth has quit IRC 22:45:04 *** ODM has quit IRC 23:18:50 <Stablean> <Anson> everybody still/again watching olympics, sleeping, etc ? :-) 23:19:17 <Stablean> <Anson> only the same usual suspects are logged in ... cameron and me :-) :-(