Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 18th November 2012:
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00:00:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> gn
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00:08:47  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how thngs  going speedey
00:13:19  <Stablean> <Speedy> good I guess
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01:07:22  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi dom
01:07:24  <Stablean> <Dom> hi happy
01:07:30  <Stablean> <Dom> how do you do?
01:07:32  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things
01:07:38  <Stablean> <Dom> :) good
01:07:38  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> good
01:08:12  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> u can john my cumpany  at eney time u whont
01:08:30  <Stablean> <Dom> ok thanks
01:08:53  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> np
01:12:08  <Stablean> <Dom> gn8
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01:12:18  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> gn
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02:37:29  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
02:37:36  <Stablean> <Petr_CZE> hi
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03:03:17  <Stablean> <Phillip> hi
03:03:20  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
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03:10:07  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi
03:10:09  <Stablean> <Phillip> hi
03:10:11  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
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03:28:00  <Stablean> <Diablo> buy at will...
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04:23:15  <Sylf> o_O
04:23:26  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hiya
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04:24:22  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> how goes it?
04:24:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> pretty good
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05:51:08  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
05:51:19  <Stablean> <Guvnor> hello
05:51:43  <Stablean> <Guvnor> wow, a non-island map! LOL
05:51:57  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> that's exactly what i said
05:52:15  <Stablean> <Guvnor> OMG, we'll all be fighting in no time!  LOL
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05:58:09  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> night
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09:43:46  <Dom_> !playercount
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10:44:11  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hello jam
10:44:21  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
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11:24:31  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hello
11:24:33  <Stablean> <V453000> hio
11:24:43  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
11:25:13  <Stablean> <V453000> what the hell is Philip doing there
11:25:15  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
11:25:25  <Stablean> <Jam35> experiments?
11:25:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> (where ?)
11:25:55  <Stablean> <Jam35> experiments
11:27:54  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> What the heck is that ...
11:28:28  <Stablean> <V453000> I suppose the idea was to lock a track direction if train is going that way
11:28:38  <Stablean> <V453000> but the signalling makes no sense at all
11:28:40  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> like doing a flip flop ?
11:29:12  <Stablean> <V453000> flip flop would be logic, this is more like making a choice and leaving there signal gaps
11:29:42  <Stablean> <V453000> but it doesnt work here due to the mass overkill of combo signals which make each other green pretty much always
11:32:04  <Stablean> <V453000> 3rd gen wagons are available Jam35 btw
11:32:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> kk ty
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12:07:46  <V453000> see the blog if you want a suggestion >]
12:07:51  <V453000> :_
12:07:53  <V453000> ..
12:07:57  <V453000> :)
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13:09:59  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi v
13:10:03  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
13:10:14  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things  going
13:10:40  <Stablean> <V453000> regardless of the monstrous hangover I have, its okay
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13:11:01  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 8
13:11:01  <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted.
13:11:22  <Stablean> <V453000> I have written a short article about autoreplacing, you can find it on
13:11:36  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok thanks
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13:50:51  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi happy
13:51:01  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> how are you today?
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13:56:15  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
13:56:18  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
13:57:01  <Stablean> <V453000> nobody playing? :D
13:57:27  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> i'm just looking at the changes jam made
13:57:33  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> i think happy is afk
13:58:19  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> do you have a company or did you plan on starting one?
13:58:29  <Stablean> <V453000> me? not really
13:58:36  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> did you read the rules? :)
13:58:46  <Stablean> <V453000> what?
13:58:54  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> just joking
13:59:08  <Stablean> <V453000> I wrote a new short article btw
13:59:18  <Stablean> <V453000> about autoreplacing, very useful for playing here
13:59:28  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> oh ok, I'll havta check it out
13:59:46  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi wood  how things
13:59:52  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> wb happy
14:00:02  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> things are good thanks for asking
14:00:04  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thanks
14:01:26  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> nice network happy
14:01:48  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thanks  not finsh  yet
14:02:16  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> you make that big hub?
14:02:43  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> no  it was   vinnie
14:02:54  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ah
14:05:20  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> my  ml  is  all most  dun  but   i can  not  finsh  now     i gpt  jobs  to doo   so be backe soon
14:05:30  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ok
14:05:54  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> i'm gonna make a few quick changes and have to go too
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14:16:17  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi jam
14:16:23  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi all
14:17:01  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> how's things ?
14:17:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> ok you?
14:17:21  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> just ok?
14:17:27  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> i'm good, thanks
14:17:46  <Stablean> <Jam35> could be worse or better
14:18:08  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> yeah true
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14:19:22  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> i just got rid of the mine station and track near the factory
14:19:28  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> cause it died
14:19:43  <Stablean> <Jam35> ok
14:20:25  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> the goods drop accepts water now if you'd like to do that or we could pick another town
14:21:51  <Stablean> <Jam35> start water if u like
14:21:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> but another drop station
14:22:03  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ok
14:22:13  <Stablean> <Jam35> same town if u like
14:23:20  <Stablean> <Jam35> V453000 I get what your saying about replacements. That's useful ty
14:23:38  <Stablean> <V453000> yw
14:23:40  <Stablean> <Jam35> what I don't really know is the best way to handle the depots
14:24:00  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> me 3
14:24:02  <Stablean> <V453000> well it is written there :)
14:24:16  <Stablean> <Jam35> placing after drop stations always seems to make wrong trains head there
14:24:34  <Stablean> <V453000> it isnt about drop or pickup but about being terminus
14:24:48  <Stablean> <Jam35> ah that makes sense
14:24:58  <Stablean> <V453000> as the screenshot shows, trains do not see the depot
14:25:44  <Stablean> <Jam35> was that section there before :)
14:25:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> must have missed it soz :)
14:26:12  <Stablean> <V453000> it actually wasnt :D
14:26:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> right :D
14:26:34  <Stablean> <V453000> I updated the article after about 20 minutes
14:27:56  <Stablean> <Jam35> that's much clearer thanks again
14:28:22  <Stablean> <V453000> yw, it really helps a lot with the replacing
14:28:32  <Stablean> <Jam35> yes I can see why
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14:30:09  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> good article, just read it
14:30:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> gonna add some depots then :)
14:30:29  <Stablean> <Jam35> and remove some bad ones
14:30:36  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> do trains see the overflow depots from the ml?
14:30:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> no
14:31:17  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> will they go to them when they exit the station or ignore them?
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14:32:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> not sure actually
14:32:53  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ok
14:33:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> better to make one on the exit track would think
14:35:10  <Stablean> <V453000> if overflow depot is behind reverser, it is of course invisible
14:35:48  <Stablean> <V453000> when they exit the station and the depot is accessible from that direction, they of course will go there if they need autoreplacing
14:35:51  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> so like grunwood forest station is ok?
14:36:21  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> oh but they can't get there..hmmm
14:36:40  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> oh no they can..nevermind need coffee
14:36:50  <Stablean> <Jam35> just added track :)
14:37:49  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> so how do you deal with the ro-ro station trains?
14:38:11  <Stablean> <Jam35> one end must be terminus
14:38:17  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ah
14:38:43  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> afk
14:38:57  <Stablean> <V453000> well if you have roro then you make reverser after exit
14:39:00  <Stablean> <V453000> and place depot behind it
14:51:15  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> back
14:51:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
14:51:44  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi jam
14:52:22  <Stablean> <V453000> btw Jam35 after seeing your basic overflows, you dont need a 3.5 tile reverser
14:52:29  <Stablean> <V453000> plus, trains can reverse on the X partially
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14:53:22  <Stablean> <V453000> like !that
14:53:52  <Stablean> <V453000> because the train can reverse on that
14:54:23  <Stablean> <Jam35> yes I have those north a bit
14:54:46  <Stablean> <V453000> yes and im saying that having 4.5 tiles reversing space is stupid :)
14:55:00  <Stablean> <V453000> not that
14:55:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> there is no space, must have 3.5
14:55:44  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
14:55:58  <Stablean> <Jam35> not that :)
14:56:12  <Stablean> <V453000> see that
14:56:14  <Stablean> <V453000> 2 options
14:56:29  <Stablean> <Jam35> ah right
14:56:47  <Stablean> <V453000> the last straight tile adds 0.5 too :P
14:56:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> cool ty
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14:58:00  <Stablean> <Jam35> yeah that works well
14:58:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> now is there a design so that the depot is on opposite side
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14:58:36  <Stablean> <V453000> of course?
14:58:46  <Stablean> <V453000> ah like that
14:58:48  <Stablean> <V453000> well depends
14:58:52  <Stablean> <Jam35> well, a compact design
14:59:15  <Stablean> <V453000> probably not as good
14:59:33  <Stablean> <Jam35> no but sometimes space restrictions...
14:59:37  <Stablean> <V453000> I like adding priority for the incoming line though
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15:00:58  <Stablean> <V453000> like that
15:01:16  <Stablean> <Jam35> yeah that's nice
15:02:02  <Stablean> <V453000> depends, most of the time you probably dont need that for the small stations and for bigger stations there are other better station designs :)
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15:07:27  <Stablean> <Jam35> Hi Phillip
15:07:30  <Stablean> <Phillip> hi
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15:17:51  <Stablean> <Phillip> go check if you need to
15:18:13  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> no  its   ok
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15:18:36  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi
15:18:39  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello
15:18:42  <Stablean> <Phillip> hi
15:19:04  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
15:19:08  <Stablean> <V453000> helo
15:19:15  <Stablean> <V453000> Phillip: may I ask what is that experiment ? :D
15:20:07  <Stablean> <Phillip> something that popped out of my head
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15:26:46  <Stablean> <Vinnie> oops
15:26:58  <Stablean> <Vinnie> the deadlock
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15:44:47  <Stablean> <V453000> no monorail or maglev anywhere? :)
15:45:05  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
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15:45:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> mornin'
15:45:48  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi
15:45:50  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
15:45:56  <Stablean> <Jam35> Hi Stablean
15:46:00  <Stablean> <Jam35> :D
15:46:03  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello
15:46:05  <Stablean> <Sylf> :P
15:46:17  <V453000> !rcon say fuck you Jam35
15:46:17  <Stablean> V453000: - Chat to your fellow players in a multiplayer game. Usage: 'say "<msg>"'
15:46:33  <V453000> hm
15:46:55  <V453000> !say hi
15:47:02  <V453000> !rcon say
15:47:02  <Stablean> V453000: - Chat to your fellow players in a multiplayer game. Usage: 'say "<msg>"'
15:47:10  <V453000> !rcon say "hi"
15:47:10  <Stablean> V453000: ‎[All] Stablean: hi
15:47:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> XD
15:47:32  <V453000> interesting
15:48:04  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi Stablean
15:48:04  <V453000> !rcon say "test"
15:48:04  <Stablean> V453000: ‎[All] Stablean: test
15:48:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi Sylf
15:48:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> (me too)
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15:48:58  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hello
15:49:00  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
15:49:06  <Stablean> <Jam35> :)
15:49:13  <Stablean> <Phillip> hi
15:50:56  <Jam35> don't worry I've seen the IRC V45whatever!
15:51:05  <V453000> :)
15:51:40  <Stablean> <Jam35> :D
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15:53:21  <Stablean> <Henri> Hi
15:53:23  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> hey
15:53:27  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Is there a client record for this server?
15:53:33  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
15:53:39  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello
15:53:45  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> dunno Vinnie
15:54:03  <Stablean> <Sylf> couldn't care less...
15:54:13  <Stablean> <Jam35> 11
15:56:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm, which trains... decisions decisions...
15:57:46  <Stablean> <Madmanquail> does anyone know how to build signals along a track quickly?
15:57:56  <Stablean> <Sylf> ctrl-drag
15:58:00  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> CTRL+click along the track you want
15:58:06  <Stablean> <Madmanquail> thanks
15:58:09  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> darg * thx Sylf
15:58:51  <Stablean> <Henri> sylf near trenwell valley you have jam
15:59:05  <Stablean> <Henri> wrong track type for the trains
15:59:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> which station?
15:59:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh
15:59:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> ok
15:59:39  <Stablean> <Henri> :)
16:00:09  <Stablean> <Sylf> what was a nice jam
16:01:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> vin's running empty trains?
16:03:01  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Passengers are broken now
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16:03:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> ah, you broke it.  shocking.
16:03:50  <Stablean> <Vinnie> I can break alot more :)
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16:09:05  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Sylf: Train 17
16:14:35  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> what does "tilt" mean btw ?
16:14:46  <Stablean> <V453000> +20% curve speed, see readme :P
16:14:52  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ow ok :/
16:15:02  <Stablean> <V453000> not good enough? :d
16:15:17  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> So I was right :P
16:15:31  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> That's the reason why I choose monorail for my network
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16:16:10  <Stablean> <V453000> well you dont really have any tight curves
16:16:44  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I haven't got ... yet :)
16:16:56  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
16:17:10  <Stablean> <V453000> point is that the CL for these trains is 3
16:17:24  <Stablean> <V453000> so if you haveTL3 you arent really making use of that unless you use CL2 :)
16:17:47  <Stablean> <V453000> monorail still nice regardless :)
16:17:57  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> that's more beautiful
16:18:51  <Stablean> <V453000> Sylf are you using the servicing interval: 150 days for some reason or just randomly?
16:19:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> I think it's the default
16:19:16  <Stablean> <V453000> possibly
16:19:25  <Stablean> <V453000> I added a new article to blog today
16:19:34  <Stablean> <V453000> about servicing/autoreplace
16:19:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah
16:19:51  <Stablean> <V453000> lowering it to 5 sounds best to me :)
16:20:01  <Stablean> <V453000> just a suggestion, can be useful
16:20:06  <Stablean> <Sylf> I haven't messed around with it yet
16:20:21  <Stablean> <Sylf> still busy correcting push-pull engines facing the wrong way
16:21:16  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :)
16:21:31  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Is that important ?
16:21:40  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah I will probably add some informative icon to the reversed depot sprites
16:21:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> aestthetically yes :P
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16:21:58  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I was talking to Sylf
16:22:08  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi folks
16:22:10  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Oh well, I prefer having my engine together :)
16:22:12  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
16:22:15  <Stablean> <V453000> so you could recognize it even with trains which look the same in both directions
16:22:17  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi
16:22:20  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hi Butcher of the Wood
16:22:28  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> lol
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16:41:27  <Stablean> <V453000> happy tran sport: I think STRONG Rail trains would fit your network best
16:41:33  <Stablean> <V453000> just a suggestion
16:41:37  <Stablean> <V453000> you are really lacking acceleration
16:42:15  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok   thanks
16:42:21  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Or maglev douleheading, huh ?
16:42:28  <Stablean> <V453000> that is a lot of effort
16:42:39  <Stablean> <V453000> you generally dont want to double head 163 trains
16:42:58  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ow I don't look at the weight :') You're right V
16:43:04  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I did this, once
16:43:55  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> I think that my trains are ... overpowered
16:44:17  <Stablean> <V453000> not that much, thats okay
16:44:31  <Stablean> <V453000> power is always good
16:44:46  <Stablean> <V453000> ofc 3rd engine would not be effective, but I think 2 are okay
16:44:48  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> not in reality you know
16:44:58  <Stablean> <V453000> reality isnt related
16:45:09  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ow ... 3 engines for a TL 3 ? that's wierd xD
16:47:56  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Why are they tripleheaded maglev with no cars behind on your pax network ?
16:49:05  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Oh sorry
16:49:11  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Happy, wht are blabla :D
16:49:13  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> ?
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16:50:52  <Stablean> <V453000> 100% engine pax trains are not just weird, but it also reduces their capacity drastically
16:58:25  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Look at train 147 V
16:58:41  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> You will see what I'm talking about
16:59:35  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hey what key makes it so your main window follows a train?  I just did it somehow and now sure how
17:00:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi back
17:00:25  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> wb
17:00:28  <Stablean> <Jam35> CTRL click eye icon in train window
17:00:38  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ah thanks
17:00:40  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> wb
17:00:42  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> wb
17:00:50  <Stablean> <V453000> ah, randomtrain :)
17:02:05  <Stablean> <Jam35> right ok
17:02:31  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Ow ... it seem like Philip experiment is working
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17:03:43  <Stablean> <Jam35> idk really :)
17:05:49  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> cause i can change it if you think there's a better way
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17:28:52  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> be  back  later
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17:28:58  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> cya
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18:37:01  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> wb
18:37:11  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thanks
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18:50:49  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
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19:27:26  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
19:27:34  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> wb
19:27:42  <Stablean> <Jam35> tks
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19:51:26  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> back
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19:52:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> wb
19:52:20  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> wb
19:52:23  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> thx
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20:28:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> ok :)
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20:28:59  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi Sylf
20:29:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> hi
20:29:12  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
20:29:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> looks like couple of my mines "exploded" recently...
20:29:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> time to start expanding finally
20:30:47  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
20:32:51  <Stablean> <V453000> I think I will add a few more engines into NUTS
20:32:58  <Stablean> <Jam35> yay!
20:34:58  <Sylf> @clcalc monorail tilt 302
20:34:58  <Webster> Sylf: Required CL for monorail at 302km/h, with tilt bonus, is 4 (6 half tiles) or TL
20:35:22  <Stablean> <V453000> what
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20:36:14  <Stablean> <V453000> I strongly believe it is 3
20:36:53  <Sylf> let me see.
20:37:35  <V453000> I Choose Noise (medium 4) does have CL3
20:38:00  <Stablean> <V453000> just tested
20:38:19  <Stablean> <V453000> we even used that in two ps games already
20:39:18  <Sylf> yeah.
20:39:52  <Stablean> <V453000> why does Webster say that wrongly, I dont know
20:40:18  <Stablean> <V453000> many NUTS trains use values from testing in the game
20:40:26  <Stablean> <V453000> so they should be the exact caps
20:40:38  <V453000> @clcalc monorail tilt 301
20:40:39  <Webster> V453000: Required CL for monorail at 301km/h, with tilt bonus, is 4 (6 half tiles) or TL
20:40:43  <V453000> @clcalc monorail tilt 300
20:40:43  <Webster> V453000: Required CL for monorail at 300km/h, with tilt bonus, is 3 (5 half tiles) or TL
20:40:52  <V453000> I know what is the issue
20:41:06  <Stablean> <V453000> there is some rounding errors, the speed of the train in the newGRF code probably is 300
20:41:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I am actually pretty sure it is 300
20:41:29  <Stablean> <V453000> Webster works with those values, not the final output
20:41:52  <Stablean> <V453000> so there is your answer. :)
20:42:13  <Sylf> yup.  damned imperial units.
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20:42:22  <V453000> yeah
20:42:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> But if I keep my current engines, I can build CL2.5
20:42:50  <Stablean> <V453000> thats possible :)
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20:44:18  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi diablo
20:44:28  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> almost happy :)
20:44:34  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep
20:44:46  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> quick!
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20:44:50  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> wb
20:44:54  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi Diablo
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20:48:07  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> woo   i got a lon tran  q
20:48:22  <Stablean> <V453000> bad acceleration :)
20:48:30  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep
20:48:41  <Stablean> <V453000> just change to better trains :)
20:49:01  <Stablean> <Jam35> what new trains can we expect?
20:49:11  <Stablean> <V453000> you really need to use strong class if you have just one train for 4 tile train
20:49:29  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hand carts with tiny little guys pumping up and down
20:49:29  <Stablean> <V453000> Jam35: you dont want to know :)
20:49:39  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yer  i going to  doo that
20:49:41  <Stablean> <Jam35> I wouldn't ask :)
20:49:59  <Stablean> <V453000> they might be a full new train class
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20:50:05  <Stablean> <V453000> there might be just a few individual trains
20:50:07  <Stablean> <Jam35> running a competition for names?
20:50:21  <Stablean> <V453000> the best of them will be Destroyer of Worlds
20:50:23  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hard to top duke nut'em if ya ask me
20:50:33  <Stablean> <V453000> that isnt the purpose either :)
20:50:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> I like them already!
20:50:57  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> shiva and ganesh?
20:51:36  <Stablean> <V453000> happy why dont you change the trains? :) looks strange
20:51:50  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
20:52:08  <Stablean> <V453000> do what you want it is just a suggestion, but ... :) it would help you
20:52:34  <Stablean> <V453000> what I will tell you Jam35 is that the trains will have their own special class of wagons
20:52:49  <Stablean> <Jam35> oooh
20:53:03  <Stablean> <Jam35> intriguing
20:53:33  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> are you still doing an industry grf?
20:53:35  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok  i am  going to chanch  them  to  wraith  2
20:54:13  <Stablean> <V453000> wraith isnt strong that is even worse than the current trains happy
20:54:23  <Stablean> <V453000> you need the best train from STRONG class on rail
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20:54:31  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ar
20:54:49  <Stablean> <V453000> Duke NUT'em it is
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20:56:38  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> oh hey V
20:56:53  <Stablean> <V453000> ?
20:57:03  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> I played a little game to try out the train upgrading stuff
20:57:18  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> I have 3 terminus stations and a ro-ro drop
20:57:40  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> and I put a depot on the exit of one of the terminus and trains can see it
20:57:50  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> i imagine my settings must be wrong
20:58:08  <Stablean> <V453000> 90 degree turns allowed possibly
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20:58:10  <Stablean> <V453000> no other setting
20:58:17  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ah hmm could be
20:58:43  <Stablean> <V453000> if you have default settings then it is almost 100% surely the cause
20:59:37  <Stablean> <Jam35> nice use of 4 tile stations Sylf
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21:02:05  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> yep that was it, i had that on for some reason
21:02:20  <Stablean> <V453000> probably default settings
21:02:38  <Stablean> <V453000> btw you could probably have tested that easily just by sending the train to the depot and looking which path did it take
21:03:22  <Stablean> <V453000> solution to 90% pahtfinding issues like disobeyance at choices to go to some directions, etc
21:03:37  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> k thanks
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21:06:22  <Stablean> <Dom> hello
21:06:26  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi Dom
21:06:28  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi
21:06:46  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
21:07:09  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
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21:10:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> a
21:10:38  <Stablean> <Jam35> afk
21:10:44  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
21:10:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> Dom: join by all means
21:11:05  <Stablean> <Dom> ok
21:11:11  <Stablean> <V453000> or else
21:11:22  <Stablean> <Dom> happy you jam :)
21:11:28  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep
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21:11:37  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> no happy is happy, jam is jam :)
21:12:05  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> no  i am  trying to short it out
21:12:23  <Stablean> <Dom> oh ok
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21:12:30  <Stablean> <V453000> these signals are ok
21:12:32  <Stablean> <Dom> V453000:  or else what?
21:12:35  <Stablean> <V453000> trains got lost in autoreplacing
21:12:41  <Stablean> <Dom> oh ok
21:12:41  <Stablean> <V453000> or else nothing :)
21:12:47  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep
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21:13:03  <Stablean> <V453000> just convert to univ rail and put strong there happy
21:13:09  <Stablean> <V453000> that will probably solve all of the issues
21:13:37  <Stablean> <V453000> these fast trains are almost uncontrollable
21:13:51  <Stablean> <Dom> alsmot :)
21:13:53  <Stablean> <Dom> *almost
21:13:55  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
21:13:55  <Stablean> <V453000> probably worse than almost
21:14:13  <Stablean> <Dom> ok never tried to be honest
21:15:25  <Stablean> <Dom> oh someone is using some pretty tracks xD
21:15:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> o_O
21:15:46  <Stablean> <Dom> universal rail :)
21:16:08  <Stablean> <V453000> I even asked Phillip what that is but I didnt really get a real answer :)
21:16:38  <Stablean> <Dom> the experiments?
21:16:56  <Stablean> <V453000> happy if you need global track conversion, it is good to just start at the top of the map and then press arrow on the keyboard to scroll down
21:17:11  <Stablean> <V453000> or open 2 viewports by pressing V
21:17:17  <Stablean> <V453000> :p
21:17:20  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
21:20:46  <Stablean> <Dom> btw can someone exlpain me philips experiment?
21:20:46  <Stablean> <Dom> :D
21:21:08  <Stablean> <V453000> I cant.
21:21:14  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> me to
21:21:20  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ask phillip? :)
21:21:22  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think anyone can tbh
21:21:26  <Stablean> <V453000> including him
21:21:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> how to build "Don't try this at home, kids" style
21:21:48  <Stablean> <V453000> he told me it just came on his mind ... his mind is apparently really strange
21:21:56  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> lol
21:22:10  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
21:22:20  <Stablean> <Jam35> maybe the victim of an experiment
21:22:22  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> oh yeah it's easy to explain
21:22:24  <Stablean> <V453000> perhaps he had something like a RAIL RAGE where you need to put rails EVERYWHERE
21:22:27  <Stablean> <Dom> well it doesnt do very much xD
21:22:29  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> it's a doo-hickey
21:22:51  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> a thingy
21:23:02  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> a whatsit
21:23:12  <Stablean> <Dom> jam?
21:23:22  <Stablean> <Jam35> moi?
21:23:36  <Stablean> <V453000> Dom: just use the tab to make it obvious and call him with full name :D
21:23:38  <Stablean> <Dom> no :) i meant that the expirment jams :)
21:23:44  <Stablean> <V453000> just type J and tab-fill the rest
21:23:47  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :)
21:23:58  <Stablean> <Dom> :)
21:24:04  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> oh cool didn't know that worked
21:24:10  <Stablean> <Dom> ?
21:24:12  <Stablean> <V453000> still, if people always did that then nobody would call him jam :P
21:24:16  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> tab complete
21:24:50  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> that's cool cause I can never remember V's digits
21:25:02  <Stablean> <Dom> it's his telephone number :D
21:25:08  <Stablean> <Dom> how can your forgett xD
21:25:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> IQ
21:25:32  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> i thought it was his lucky lottery numbers
21:25:54  <Stablean> <Dom> number of beer that has been drunk
21:26:04  <Stablean> <Jam35> units of alcohol in blood
21:26:10  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> lol
21:26:17  <Stablean> <Dom> number of trains crashed?
21:26:36  <Stablean> <V453000> fuck is this discussion!
21:26:39  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> number of times he's gonna kick Dom off the server? :)
21:26:45  <Stablean> <Dom> xD
21:27:00  <Stablean> <V453000> also, the answer is that it is my real name rewritten to numbers
21:27:14  <Stablean> <Dom> yay :D
21:27:40  <Stablean> <V453000> V 4=A 5=S 3=E K=000
21:27:44  <Stablean> <Jam35> number of jelly beans in the jar
21:27:50  <Stablean> <V453000> Vasek in informal czech, formally Vaclav
21:27:52  <Stablean> <V453000> bitches
21:28:22  <Stablean> <Dom> well my name is dominik :D or easier Dom :D
21:28:38  <Stablean> <V453000> wow Dom :) didnt expect that
21:28:49  <Stablean> <Dom> some may call me DomDom
21:29:13  <Stablean> <Dom> yeah it's a great treasure to know my name ;) xD
21:29:28  <Stablean> <Dom> who asked the server?
21:29:42  <Stablean> <Dom> ohh don't cry :)
21:30:00  <Stablean> <V453000> I think you fucked up now
21:30:10  <Stablean> <Dom> xDD
21:30:29  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> play nice!
21:30:35  <Stablean> <Dom> you see now he's quiet :D
21:31:30  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> lol
21:31:44  <Stablean> <Dom> aslong as you do not crash :)
21:31:59  <Stablean> <V453000> what would be the effective difference for you :D
21:32:06  <Stablean> <V453000> between being banned and the server being dead
21:33:12  <Stablean> <Dom> V453000:  well  if it crashes i can't enter anymore if i get banned well it's not like its steam or something :)
21:33:25  <Stablean> <Dom> but hey stable we're sorry ;)
21:33:39  <Stablean> <Dom> lol
21:33:49  <Stablean> <V453000> idk if you are banned you cant enter either :D
21:34:51  <Stablean> <Dom> well there are ways around it but you should know that if you are the almighty server  :)
21:35:33  <Stablean> <Dom> im not saying i want to try them now ..
21:35:43  <Stablean> <Dom> i do not want to!
21:36:01  <Stablean> <V453000> such things would probably only result in banning you again
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21:42:35  <Stablean> <Dom> why are you still sad?
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21:48:19  <Stablean> <Jam35> me too cya
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21:48:26  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> cya
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23:01:31  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi v
23:01:34  <Stablean> <V453000> hi ih
23:01:44  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
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23:02:03  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> afk
23:02:05  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
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23:02:11  <Stablean> <V453000> still fast trains happy? :D
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23:02:19  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
23:03:01  <Stablean> <V453000> do you need some help or advice with autoreplacing or? is everything alright or do you have a problem?
23:03:23  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yes
23:03:43  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i can not short  out this  tran q
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23:04:05  <Stablean> <V453000> well yes because as I said, these trains literally kill your network
23:04:11  <Stablean> <V453000> you need a lot of power
23:05:17  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i  am looking  atthe trans  and i can not find eney farster  or mor   power
23:06:03  <Stablean> <V453000> you dont need faster
23:06:06  <Stablean> <V453000> you need a lot slower
23:06:12  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ar ok
23:06:22  <Stablean> <V453000> Duke NUTem is pretty much the only option for your network to keep it stable
23:06:36  <Stablean> <V453000> with 4 tile trains even medium engines will struggle
23:06:59  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep
23:07:01  <Stablean> <V453000> try NUTem it should help :)
23:07:12  <Stablean> <happy tran sport> ok
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