Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 5th April 2013:
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02:13:22  <BiG_MeEcH> hey boss
02:23:23  <Stablean> <Diablo> hey meech
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03:11:13  <Sylf> !date
03:11:14  <Stablean> Sylf:  7 Aug 2080
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03:25:58  <Stablean> <Sylf> hurray for the static newgrf
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03:30:53  <BiG_MeEcH> heya
03:30:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> ey
03:31:04  <BiG_MeEcH> what is staticnewgrf?
03:31:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> Let me show you a magic.
03:31:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> Fireup openttd, but don't join the game yet
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03:31:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ah xD
03:31:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> brb
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03:31:47  <BiG_MeEcH> yep
03:32:06  <Stablean> <Sylf> now, go to the download online contents thingy
03:32:13  <BiG_MeEcH> im there
03:32:29  <Stablean> <Sylf> and download Toyland Temperate Conversion set or whatever it's called
03:32:50  <BiG_MeEcH> yeah
03:32:52  <BiG_MeEcH> downloaded
03:33:15  <Stablean> <Sylf> now, set up your new grf set like you're starting a new game
03:33:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> and add that new grf file you just downloaded
03:33:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> once you have that added, close your openttd
03:33:59  <Stablean> <Sylf> open openttd.cfg file in a text editor
03:34:26  <BiG_MeEcH> yep im there
03:34:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> copy the toyland_temperate_replacement-2012.10.12\removetoyland.grf =
03:34:44  <BiG_MeEcH> done
03:34:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> line from [newgrf] section to [newgrf-static] section
03:34:52  <Stablean> <Sylf> it should be at the bottom of the file
03:34:56  <BiG_MeEcH> yep done
03:35:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> save the file, then fire up the openttd
03:35:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> jo
03:35:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> join this game
03:35:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> and see the magic
03:35:38  <BiG_MeEcH> here goes nothing :P
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03:36:23  <Stablean> <Big Meech> qutie different
03:36:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> doesnt make eyes bleed as much xD
03:36:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> it makes toyland playable
03:37:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont mind the other one though, ths looks too much like regular climate
03:37:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> imo
03:38:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you like my test track? I kinda wanna load the kitties now
03:38:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> Diable has a magical truck
03:38:34  <Stablean> <Sylf> did you see that I deleted the signals from the test track?
03:38:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh you did
03:38:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> magical truck?
03:38:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> see his RV#1
03:39:15  <Stablean> <Sylf> that sigle truck is hauling all the toys made at that factory!
03:39:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol ?
03:40:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> th truck isnt doing anything?
03:40:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's a fake transfer
03:40:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yeah, im confused xD
03:40:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> It's an eyecandy
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03:40:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at leaast it is a happy truck
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03:40:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> he has kitties too
03:41:13  <Stablean> <Sylf> no, the happy trucks are at Nudhead Mines
03:41:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
03:42:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> what happens if I stop 1 cat on the bridge?
03:42:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> have we had a pussy collision? xD
03:42:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> yesssssssssssss
03:42:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> pussy collision?
03:42:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> pussy explosion xD
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03:44:11  <Stablean> <Big Meech> uh oh
03:44:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> here it comes
03:44:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lmao moar cats
03:44:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i was thinking sto pone on the bridge
03:44:55  <Stablean> <ACM> Where are you guys looking?
03:44:55  <Stablean> <Sylf> yes, tight area.  tight p.
03:45:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lots of wet pussy there
03:45:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
03:46:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> slow the cat down!
03:47:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> haha
03:47:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> should make a kittenish cyclotron
03:48:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> l
03:48:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> xD
03:48:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> BOOM!
03:49:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I wanna load the kittens with cargo
03:49:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> and see if they can go up the hill
03:49:38  <Stablean> <Sylf> you should see the livestocks on these boats
03:49:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> damn I do
03:50:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> guess V had to make the blown up kitties too
03:50:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> he should make them less happy when they are dead
03:50:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> yup.
03:50:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe look like X_X
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03:54:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
03:54:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you're gonna smoosh them all
03:54:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> It's all good for now
03:54:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I thought i would have been blamed on the valley then banned xD
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03:55:21  <Stablean> <Sylf> how' the hell's my moist company doing anyway?
03:55:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> good probably
03:55:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you were no.2 on the list
03:56:19  <Stablean> <Sylf> because I don't have as many stations as the happiest company
03:56:33  <Stablean> <Sylf> meh.  like
03:56:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh well
03:56:43  <Stablean> <Sylf> More boom!
03:56:53  <Stablean> <Sylf> mass pussy murder
03:56:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> there should be a catnip secret
03:58:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the explosions arent very realistic for cats
03:58:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> there should be more pink goo
03:58:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> we need to load the mars conversion set
03:58:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> red water is most appropriate here
03:58:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> that might be badass iwth wetrails
03:59:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> might look like terraforming
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04:03:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think we need another layer of cats going the opposite direction
04:03:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> :o
04:03:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
04:03:40  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm, I might have an idea
04:04:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> how are you ACM?
04:04:44  <Stablean> <ACM> Fine.
04:04:48  <Stablean> <ACM> Just watching.
04:05:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you should play ;D
04:05:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> play and enjoy WETRAILS
04:05:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> shall I add the another layer of nuts?
04:05:38  <Stablean> <ACM> It's pretty late game this server, isn't it?
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04:05:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it is
04:05:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do it!
04:06:06  <Stablean> <Big Meech> could always build random crap like a wetrails cat raceway
04:06:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> wb Diablo
04:06:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lamo
04:06:44  <Stablean> <ACM> No synchrinose with adjacent station function like in Roller Coaster Tycoon.
04:06:46  <Stablean> <Diablo> thx meech
04:06:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> funny watching them slow down on sliope
04:06:57  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi guys
04:07:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :)
04:07:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think TT and roller coaster tycoon was by Chris Sawyer
04:07:47  <Stablean> <ACM> They are.
04:08:10  <Stablean> <ACM> They are my childhood.
04:08:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 1993 - 1997 was the renaissance of PC gaming
04:08:20  <Stablean> <Diablo> nice test track
04:09:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> NICE
04:09:24  <Stablean> <ACM> Why don't these fucking indie game makers make Transport/Roller Coaster Tycoon equivalents for today?
04:09:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont know
04:09:33  <Stablean> <ACM> It's louse 'art' platformers.
04:09:39  <Stablean> <ACM> *lousy
04:09:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the coolest thing that was newer that i might consider playing is minecraft
04:10:37  <Stablean> <ACM> I thought they were supposed to restore integrity to game development.
04:11:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Disney just axed lucasarts studio
04:12:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> they made badass shit back in the day
04:13:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> a little known game that i own by lucasarts is a starwars 2d puzzler I think made in 1997
04:13:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> or early maybe
04:13:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> for windows 95 only
04:14:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i used the bridge as a timer
04:15:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> kittens love gravity
04:15:27  <Stablean> <Sylf> this is gonna be bad ass
04:15:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
04:16:28  <Stablean> <ACM> Excitement rating: 0.01; Intensity rating: 15.0; Nausia rating; 9.9.
04:16:46  <Stablean> <Sylf> lol
04:16:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> vomiting cats is neat
04:16:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> not for the feint of heart
04:18:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> tunnel cat is watching you masticate
04:19:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
04:19:06  <Stablean> <Big Meech> so many hoverkittens
04:21:04  <Stablean> <ACM> My childhood winning strategy in Roller Coaster Tycoon was to block off the park entrance one I had enough guests.
04:21:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> LOL
04:21:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> themepark was the same way
04:21:34  <Stablean> <ACM> I could never make money in Theme Park.
04:21:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> tough game but fun
04:21:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I like theme hospital a lot too
04:22:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> bullfrog made some funny shit back in the day
04:22:30  <Stablean> <ACM> That they did.
04:22:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> and epic shit like Syndicate
04:22:58  <Stablean> <ACM> My biggest complaint about bullfrog games is they never had custom map modes.
04:23:08  <Stablean> <ACM> I never played syndicate.
04:23:14  <Stablean> <Diablo> whats the original syndicate like?
04:23:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> syndicate is pretty sick
04:23:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo uget 4 agents, can always get more agents with a persuasion gun, you rig your agents with weapons and go on missions
04:24:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the more missions you go on the more territory you earn if you win and you get money for upgrades of armor, weaposn, body modifications and a lot more
04:24:16  <Stablean> <Diablo> so absolutely nothing like the sequel
04:24:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> syndicate wars is totally different
04:24:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> should eb a few trailers on youtube for original syndicate
04:25:20  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmm, the pussy lab is a sign of boredom
04:25:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> we should load a new map
04:25:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> bullfrog had the theme games and populous
04:25:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> they're sorta like your own map creation, but youre limited in the bounds of the stuff they give you
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04:26:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hb
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04:27:45  <BiG_MeEcH> there was a sequel to syndicate called american revolt
04:27:52  <BiG_MeEcH> i couldnt ever beat it
04:28:09  <BiG_MeEcH> they added insane crap like an air raid and everything
04:28:16  <Stablean> <Diablo> wat about the so called sequal called syndicate
04:29:03  <BiG_MeEcH> I didnt play it
04:29:24  <BiG_MeEcH> I heard a song by skrilles though for it i think
04:29:29  <BiG_MeEcH> *skrillex
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11:56:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> R, you shouldn't use level crossings
11:56:39  <Stablean> <R3D24> I know
11:56:49  <Stablean> <R3D24> I was just messing around really
11:56:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, okay
11:57:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you new here?
11:57:11  <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah, but not to ottd
11:57:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you are to ottdcoop?
11:57:46  <Stablean> <R3D24> No, I'm not part of it
11:58:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know :)
11:58:11  <Stablean> <R3D24> I wish I could find lessons to build the prozone type games
11:58:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I mainly mean the building styles
11:58:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, you want to get into prozone?
11:58:38  <Stablean> <R3D24> I would love that
11:58:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm, I think you've come to the right spot
11:58:50  <Stablean> <R3D24> But I'm not THAT good
11:59:08  <Stablean> <R3D24> I've only just figured out prio merges
11:59:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could go try now on the public server, but I would recommend sandboxing here first
11:59:48  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'ma just liqudate my tracks and trains and start over (as the same company)
11:59:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could
12:00:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you could also improve your tracks
12:00:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> surely, you want to do it right the first time
12:00:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but improving what you have is also a good learning process ;)
12:00:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> want me to help you with some things?
12:00:53  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm going to have to leave for now as the game is lagging to bad :\
12:00:59  <Stablean> <R3D24> err nvm
12:01:09  <Stablean> <R3D24> Its fine now O_o
12:01:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, bye then
12:01:21  <Stablean> <R3D24> all the dang candy colored tree's
12:01:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, complain to V453000 or Sylf about it
12:01:40  <Stablean> <R3D24> they lag if I go into x-ray view
12:01:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I do but it never works
12:01:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you use the transparency options?
12:01:58  <Stablean> <R3D24> I wish I could find out how to mod them out
12:02:05  <Stablean> <R3D24> yes...
12:02:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still lagging now?
12:02:35  <Stablean> <R3D24> yeah
12:03:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that should be your connection, mine is fine
12:03:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and the dang trees don't make you lag that much
12:03:28  <Stablean> <R3D24> My connection, why is that making me lag?
12:03:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> slow?
12:03:53  <Stablean> <R3D24> ohh it might be
12:04:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> come back here later then, and I would like to help you with some networks, if you like
12:04:51  <Stablean> <R3D24> Ok, what time?
12:04:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I dunno
12:05:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there be other people here too
12:05:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I usually don't plan when I'm on here
12:05:32  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll have an hour at 12:00 pm (est) and all after 3:00 pm I'm free
12:06:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh dear lord, you're american?
12:06:25  <Stablean> <R3D24> Yes... I'm ashamed of it
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12:06:33  <Stablean> <R3D24> My country is so corrupt
12:06:51  <Stablean> <R3D24> Did you just leave because I'm american?!
12:06:57  <Stablean> <R3D24> sigh...
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12:07:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that was quaint
12:07:20  <Stablean> <R3D24> XD
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12:07:29  <Stablean> <R3D24> And perfect timing to
12:07:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> anyway
12:07:37  <Stablean> <R3D24> err is it too or to...
12:07:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 12 EST is now + 5 hours?
12:07:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> too
12:07:55  <Stablean> <R3D24> It's 8:09 am
12:08:23  <Stablean> <R3D24> I think its only 4 hours
12:08:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> jep
12:08:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I googled it
12:08:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> google was wrong, I think
12:08:41  <Stablean> <R3D24> XD
12:08:52  <Stablean> <R3D24> Err est is the very east coast of the us right?
12:09:06  <Stablean> <R3D24> I feel like an idiot right now ._.
12:10:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> EST is east coast
12:10:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'm looking at this now:
12:10:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure>
12:10:46  <Stablean> <R3D24> ok, for a second i wasn't sure
12:10:47  <Webster> Title: EST Eastern Standard Time (at
12:11:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, that's correct
12:11:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> was looking at wrong time (Georgetown), not NY
12:11:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah wait
12:11:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I don't know
12:11:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> fuck time zones
12:11:42  <Stablean> <R3D24> how can I sell all my tracks in one go?
12:11:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> errm
12:11:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there are 2 things you could do
12:12:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> send all trains to depot and leave your company
12:12:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or buy a boat and have it sail the seas
12:12:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> option1: no pw on your company
12:12:34  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll just remove them manualy
12:12:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeahn, you don't have much
12:13:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you're still lagging?
12:13:18  <Stablean> <R3D24> not anymore
12:13:29  <Stablean> <R3D24> I think it's something with the trains
12:14:21  <Stablean> *** Dom joined the game
12:14:23  <Stablean> <Dom> hello
12:14:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi Dom
12:14:31  <Stablean> <R3D24> Morning
12:14:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> R3D24, you know hotkeys?
12:14:56  <Stablean> <R3D24> A few
12:15:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's cool
12:15:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so it's not you're manually clicking the buttons ;)
12:15:34  <Stablean> <R3D24> Not always
12:16:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> want me to help you now R3?
12:16:45  <Stablean> <R3D24> No thanks, I can manage
12:16:59  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm almost done too
12:17:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, but you now have a nice cash to start over :)
12:17:39  <Stablean> <R3D24> I only have 18.5 mil
12:17:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> good enough
12:18:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 2 mill is good enough to start expanding big time here
12:19:03  <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah I guess you could join
12:19:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if so, you'd have to give me your pw
12:19:41  <Stablean> <R3D24> How do I send a private message?
12:20:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> press on the button with the head in the top bar
12:20:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it will show a drop down menu
12:20:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> press client list
12:20:29  <Stablean> <R3D24> pw is crackerjack
12:20:35  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined company #10
12:20:44  <Stablean> <Dom> lol
12:20:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :)
12:21:00  <Stablean> <R3D24> How do I open team chat :W
12:21:24  <Stablean> <Dom> when there are 2 or more ppl  in a company just press enter
12:21:50  <Stablean> <R3D24> It still says all but it doesn't matter I guess
12:21:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, ctrl enter
12:22:06  <Stablean> <Dom> oh yeah right
12:22:32  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm going to get started
12:22:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> first of all: what will you be transporting?
12:26:20  <Stablean> <R3D24> Whats the difference with path and block?
12:26:58  <Stablean> <R3D24> should I put signals at the platforms?
12:27:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could, but it isn't required in this case
12:27:15  <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh
12:27:57  <Stablean> <R3D24> should I get the fastest engine?
12:28:40  <Stablean> <R3D24> I don't buy any engine with =- 85% reliabilty
12:28:50  <Stablean> <R3D24> I like the speed demon one
12:29:10  <V453000> reliability does not influence anything with breakdowns off
12:29:24  <Stablean> <R3D24> It doesn't?!
12:29:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, V's right
12:29:34  <V453000> what do you think it does
12:29:38  <Stablean> <R3D24> That makes no sense!
12:29:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll grab a popcorn and watch as this unfolds
12:29:53  <V453000> then what does it do in your opinion
12:30:00  <Stablean> <R3D24> is it how much it goes for maintnence?
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12:30:09  <Stablean> <V453000> do trains go for maintenance?
12:30:15  <Stablean> <V453000> havent noticed
12:30:21  <Stablean> <R3D24> yes?
12:30:27  <Stablean> <V453000> not with breakdowns off
12:30:29  <Stablean> <R3D24> Do you guys have it dissabled?
12:30:31  <Stablean> <V453000> what would the maintenance be for
12:30:34  <Stablean> <R3D24> ohh...
12:30:49  <Stablean> <R3D24> I had no clue they were off
12:30:55  <Stablean> <R3D24> Isn't that cheating?
12:30:59  <Stablean> <V453000> well why would you service trains if they cant break down
12:31:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, it isn't cheating, it is a setting
12:32:16  <Stablean> <V453000> even if it was cheating, it would make no sense to use servicing with breakdowns off regardless :)
12:32:30  <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah,
12:32:57  <Stablean> <V453000> side note, servicing interval setting still does influence autoreplace
12:33:07  <Stablean> <V453000> read more on openttd wiki or our blog
12:33:42  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll buy the trains now
12:34:01  <Stablean> <V453000> side note 2, fast trains do not hurt the network as long as their acceleration is sufficient thus are acceptable
12:34:15  <Stablean> <V453000> with a little bit higher traffic medium/strong gets immediately more effective
12:34:17  <Stablean> <R3D24> I know
12:34:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, I was getting to that in a moment, V
12:34:28  <Stablean> <V453000> at this point fast is okay
12:34:31  <Stablean> <R3D24> hmm
12:34:45  <Stablean> <V453000> more info and details about train classes at
12:35:04  <Stablean> <R3D24> So faster rate of speed gain = shorter Prios?
12:35:18  <Stablean> <R3D24> I know
12:35:28  <Stablean> <V453000> as wrong as that assumption is, I will  say yes
12:35:28  <Stablean> <R3D24> He's the lead guy in ottdcoop
12:35:39  <Stablean> <V453000> who is? :d
12:35:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> he's talking about me ;)
12:35:49  <Stablean> <R3D24> You, arn't you the founder?
12:35:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, you
12:36:01  <Stablean> <V453000> no
12:36:07  <Stablean> <R3D24> Ohh...
12:36:10  <Stablean> <V453000> founder definitely not
12:36:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I don't actually know who founded it, planetmaker?
12:36:19  <Stablean> <R3D24> you just broke my heart...
12:36:19  <Stablean> <V453000> neither
12:36:25  <Stablean> <R3D24> You were my mentor
12:36:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, who is it, now I'm curious...
12:36:49  <Stablean> <V453000> I believe Mucht
12:36:57  <Stablean> <V453000> doubt you ever met him
12:37:01  <Stablean> <V453000> with some other guys most likely
12:37:07  <Stablean> <V453000> like Brianetta and those
12:37:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can't say I've met them
12:37:41  <Stablean> <V453000> either way R3D24, that does not reduce my position, my contributions or the things I know :P
12:37:51  <Stablean> <R3D24> Yeah
12:37:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it SO does
12:37:56  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :)
12:38:14  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll show you the merge I use
12:38:48  <Stablean> <V453000> possibly, but sometime later ... I have to go again :z
12:38:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
12:39:02  <Stablean> <V453000> hint, FAST trains will Suffer with short curves ;)
12:39:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> AAARGH
12:39:11  <Stablean> <R3D24> Not maglev trains
12:39:13  <Stablean> <R3D24> right?
12:39:19  <Stablean> <V453000> maglev trains perhaps not as much but will
12:39:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> don't tell everything right away, V
12:39:28  <Stablean> <R3D24> Hmm...
12:39:30  <Stablean> <V453000> JUST SAYING
12:39:32  <Stablean> <V453000> :P
12:39:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> everything suffers form short CL
12:39:47  <Stablean> <V453000> not true, slugs dont give two fucks
12:39:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> unless max speed is lower than penalty in curve
12:39:59  <Stablean> <R3D24> Again, my mind blown
12:40:01  <Stablean> <V453000> medium maglev doesnt give a shit even though CL is 3
12:40:08  <Stablean> <V453000> well well gtg
12:40:10  <Stablean> <V453000> cya
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12:40:21  <V453000> IM NOT SAYING ANYTHING NAOW Troy
12:40:32  <V453000> :)
12:40:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> anyways, you have to watch your curves
12:40:36  <Stablean> <R3D24> How are you talking without being in game?!
12:40:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> OKAY
12:40:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> he's in irc
12:40:48  <V453000> hax
12:40:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> routes via the stablean
12:41:04  <Stablean> <R3D24> I hate hills
12:41:11  <Stablean> <R3D24> Can't build anything on them >:(
12:41:50  <Stablean> <R3D24> Why did you put a bridge on the ML?
12:42:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> normally, TF costs, mostly with water is a lot higher
12:42:02  <Stablean> <R3D24> Isn't that a huge thing?
12:42:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how is that a ML?
12:42:15  <Stablean> <R3D24> good point
12:42:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it just connects AN industry
12:42:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> can you watch !here?
12:43:35  <Stablean> <R3D24> Shared orders?
12:43:42  <Stablean> <R3D24> Whats that?
12:44:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it means that if you change the order in one train
12:44:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it changes orders in all the trains with shared orders
12:44:24  <Stablean> <R3D24> how do you do that?
12:44:27  <Stablean> <R3D24> err
12:44:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you know how to copy a train?
12:44:45  <Stablean> <R3D24> it isn't ctrl whilst cloning is it?
12:44:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, it is
12:44:53  <Stablean> <R3D24> XD
12:44:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's how you get shared orders
12:45:01  <Stablean> <R3D24> I call that route sharing
12:45:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
12:45:14  <Stablean> <R3D24> I never looked at the orders after doing that XD
12:45:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ERMAHGERD :)
12:45:31  <Stablean> <R3D24> So I've never seen the shared orders thing
12:45:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could also do it later when filling orders
12:45:51  <Stablean> <R3D24> I feel like an idiot for asking but, CL3?
12:45:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just click ctrl+click on a train
12:46:04  <Stablean> <R3D24> ohh cool
12:46:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, CL3  stands for curvelength 3
12:46:11  <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh
12:46:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I usually use CL=TL
12:46:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you don't have to with slow long trains
12:46:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could have a rail train with TL 10 and max speed 120
12:46:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and have CL2
12:47:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but the problem at !here is your curvelength
12:47:06  <Stablean> <R3D24> whats with the !here sign?
12:47:17  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll fix that
12:47:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see how trains slow down in there?
12:47:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that was totally unnecesary
12:47:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you only need CL 3
12:49:02  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'm lagging out again :\
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12:49:38  <Stablean> <R3D24> So TL = CL?
12:49:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> TL = trainlength
12:49:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> CL = curvelength
12:50:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you want to go for fast trains, you probably want your TL to equal your CL
12:50:14  <Stablean> <R3D24> but the minimum CL is = to the TL?
12:50:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only with really fast trains, or you have to accept the speed losses
12:50:40  <Stablean> <R3D24> Do we need another train at Plendingham?
12:50:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope
12:51:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> don't make more trains than you can fill your station with
12:51:15  <Stablean> <R3D24> Ohh, how do Industries grow?
12:51:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> at an average percentage
12:51:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just expect them to grow
12:52:01  <Stablean> <R3D24> But how do you give the best transport
12:52:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what is 'best'?
12:52:21  <Stablean> <R3D24> 100% Transported
12:52:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, 100% is hard
12:52:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> plus, it's not the goal of coop building
12:52:46  <Stablean> <R3D24> I always load it right as it comes out so it is 100% transported
12:52:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> -unfortunately-
12:53:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for 100% you need all new trains, entering at top speed in your station, with a astatue in neaby town
12:53:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and more of that sort nonsense
12:53:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no cargo waiting etc
12:53:27  <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh...
12:53:58  <Stablean> <R3D24> I remember hearing "take it farther, faster, and more of it"
12:54:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, that's just for the money
12:54:20  <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh
12:54:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> if you want to make big cash, you should do that
12:54:28  <Stablean> <R3D24> Money is irelivent
12:54:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but that ALSO is no tthe  case
12:54:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
12:54:46  <Stablean> <R3D24> Irelivant* (?)
12:54:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sure, enough to keep it running, but that's about it
12:54:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> irrelevant
12:54:56  <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh
12:55:10  <Stablean> <R3D24> My spelling isn't the best but I try.
12:55:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> haha I've seen worse
12:55:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> happy tran sport can't type for one bit
12:55:39  <Stablean> <R3D24> *points at happy*
12:56:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> anyways, sweet facs also need other stuff
12:56:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> let's connect more
12:56:31  <Stablean> <R3D24> he said to his friend, "hy com ovr her for a minte"
12:56:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
12:56:47  <Stablean> <R3D24> And I read, "hey come over here for a mint"
12:56:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the key to understanding him is
12:56:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> reading it aloud
12:57:02  <Stablean> <R3D24> XD
12:57:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hehe
12:57:14  <Stablean> <R3D24> Text talk...
12:59:37  <Stablean> <R3D24> thx
12:59:57  <Stablean> <R3D24> I'll do the trains
13:01:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, this is your basic beginners network
13:01:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not very hard, hacking in when you need to
13:02:01  <Stablean> <R3D24> hacking in?
13:02:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, there's no structure in where you make a join
13:02:31  <Stablean> <R3D24> ahh
13:02:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you don't have SLH's, let alone BBH
13:02:39  <Stablean> <R3D24> Improvising you mean
13:02:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, think so
13:03:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> under stress, this network will creat problems
13:03:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do you know where?
13:03:09  <Stablean> <R3D24> Split before merge right?
13:03:31  <Stablean> <R3D24> uhh... I can't see where but I think near the candy factory
13:03:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> split before merge is not in the question right now
13:03:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> since you only have one end destination
13:03:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you have no splits, only merges :)
13:04:12  <Stablean> <R3D24> ?
13:04:38  <Stablean> <R3D24> isn't that a split at !here?
13:04:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you only have merges on the way to the fac
13:05:03  <Stablean> <R3D24> err I see what you mean now
13:05:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and only splits on the way back
13:05:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> a split before merge would be !this
13:05:38  <Stablean> <R3D24> I see now
13:05:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that would be merge before split
13:06:04  <Stablean> <R3D24> how far does it have to be between a split and a merge?
13:06:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> new situation, how noobis
13:06:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> would be split before merge
13:06:54  <Stablean> <R3D24> what do you mean?
13:07:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and I don't know what you quite mean
13:07:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see the splits?
13:07:13  <Stablean> <R3D24> yes
13:07:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you see the merge?
13:07:25  <Stablean> <R3D24> Yes
13:07:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> those splits are before the merge
13:07:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's how you want it to be
13:07:39  <Stablean> <R3D24> but what about prio's
13:07:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> of course, we have CL1 over there, plus a tunnel, so a gap of 3
13:07:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> b
13:07:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> prios
13:08:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> prios are used when you need priority of one lane over the other
13:08:28  <Stablean> <R3D24> thats only on the ML right?
13:08:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> usually the more important (network) line, over less important (network) line
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13:09:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you could, you could also use it inside Side Lines, but that's usually a sign you have to increase capacity on sideline shortly
13:09:22  <Stablean> <R3D24> So it goes ICL < SL < ML
13:09:33  <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game
13:09:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ICL?
13:09:34  <Stablean> <R3D24> ICL = Industry Conection Line
13:09:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi happy
13:09:39  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  troy
13:09:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah, those are (generally) less important than SL, and those are less than ML
13:09:57  <Stablean> <R3D24> hy hpy trn spt, hws it gng?
13:10:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> unless near a major station
13:10:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
13:10:32  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things  troy
13:10:34  <Stablean> <R3D24> Factories not being a ICL right?
13:10:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
13:10:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, generally, you want full throughput there
13:11:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> look near Huwood Valley
13:11:23  <Stablean> <R3D24> where?
13:11:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I cheated a bit, since I seperated the drop and pickup station by a long distance
13:11:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> light blue
13:12:09  <Stablean> <R3D24> dang thats alot of trains
13:12:29  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
13:13:43  <Stablean> <R3D24> I wish I knew how to build stations like that
13:13:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :)
13:13:51  <Stablean> <R3D24> It just flows so smoothly!
13:13:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you will
13:14:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it really isn't that hard, not the stations at least
13:14:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the prios on the lines are a bit short tho
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13:15:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and you see the backing up of some trains
13:15:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> the first 80% of flow will cost you 20% of the effort, the other 20% will cost you 80%
13:15:42  <Stablean> <R3D24> uhh...
13:15:50  <Stablean> <R3D24> It looks fine to me
13:16:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> = it's easy to build it reasonably good
13:16:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's a lot harder to improve it
13:16:20  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> do you see !this?
13:17:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's trains stopping, not flowing :)
13:17:17  <Stablean> <R3D24> but only for a second at a time
13:17:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
13:17:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and that's the last 20% of flow
13:18:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I saw that problem and the uneven distribution of trains over the 2 rails
13:18:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> that's why I built !thishere
13:19:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but that was actually circumventing the problem, not solving it
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13:19:38  <Stablean> <R3D24> so the "Goal" of ottd is to build a huge  network with no stoppage?
13:19:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ottdcoop
13:19:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, V would probably disagree
13:20:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I think that pretty much sums it up
13:21:03  <Stablean> <R3D24> Now is it time to do something with all that candy
13:21:50  <Stablean> <R3D24> err I have to go now
13:21:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
13:21:56  <Stablean> <R3D24> See you all later
13:21:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
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13:24:18  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> troy   i dont not  no  the best  way  to    this slh  doo  i doo  2 slh  or just  doo  won  big   won
13:24:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> where?
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13:25:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> see    my sign  say slh at  this or  this  2
13:26:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you're going to do anything with the candy and fizzy drinks?
13:26:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep  but  i got  to finsh  the  2  way  ml of
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13:27:34  <Stablean> <V453000> mu
13:27:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi v
13:27:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lo
13:28:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lots of industries, best make it 2 slh's
13:28:13  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
13:28:33  <Stablean> <V453000> I think you could say that the aimed result of openttd gameplay is to build a big network, but it is a bit more complicated than that :)
13:28:45  <Stablean> <V453000> but basically I would agree
13:28:52  <Stablean> <V453000> with some buts :)
13:28:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I KNEW IT
13:29:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sometimes I wonder if you have problems 'just' agreeing
13:29:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ;)
13:29:36  <Stablean> <V453000> it is rare I admit
13:30:07  <Stablean> <V453000> but you cant just agree with something if it has some side things to note :P
13:30:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> true, but your stance is always: no, unless by x you mean... and by ...
13:30:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> which is valid
13:30:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but you could also say:
13:31:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, if you mean x to be ... etc.
13:31:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I'm used to it ;)
13:31:48  <Stablean> <V453000> hmm
13:31:51  <Stablean> <V453000> cant say I realize that, BUT
13:31:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> AAARGH
13:31:59  <Stablean> <V453000> if you said Yes, they wouldnt read the rest anyway
13:32:01  <Stablean> <V453000> SO
13:32:03  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
13:32:03  <Stablean> <V453000> :P
13:32:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay :)
13:32:31  <Stablean> <V453000> no, I just say what I think and it is as simple as that. :)
13:32:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> having a better day today, V?
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13:36:32  <Stablean> <V453000> I have been on 3 work meetings so far, 1 more to go
13:36:34  <Stablean> <V453000> not sure
13:36:45  <Stablean> <V453000> evening guarantees beer so cant bet worse
13:37:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I mean, you understand how the chami's work again?
13:37:03  <Stablean> <V453000> than yesterday
13:37:13  <Stablean> <V453000> I got that sorted out already
13:38:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V, has there ever been a game which tried to pack the trains as densely as possible, but still flowing?
13:41:32  <Stablean> <V453000> you havent seen pzg 13 did you
13:41:57  <Stablean> <V453000> aka answer is YES
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13:42:30  <Stablean> <V453000> also you need an older revision of openttd to run it ... I might create a "modern" version sometime
13:42:42  <Stablean> <V453000> there were changes in acceleration so it obviously breaks
13:42:44  <Stablean> <V453000> but the idea is clear
13:42:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, okay
13:43:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> cause I was wondering, sometimes I see screenshots from some games, and I think:
13:43:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> jeez, so much rails but only one train on it
13:44:24  <Stablean> <V453000> well with strong trains you get the "packing" kind of automatically
13:44:28  <Stablean> <Dom> we need faster boats :)
13:45:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, you need lots of hp/ton for dense packing
13:45:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> i'm probably talking shit again, in your opinion
13:45:30  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but /care
13:45:40  <Stablean> <V453000> im just not sure what is your point
13:46:02  <Stablean> <V453000> yes, with strong enough trains it is not worth it to attempt to "pack" trains with other mechanisms
13:46:37  <Stablean> <V453000> it of course does not relate only to power of trains, but it is only considerable if it is worth something :)
13:46:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, I was thinking how  ottdcoop building style would cope with high  property maintenance costs
13:46:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and other costs
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13:47:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and I know, you don't care about money
13:47:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I would think that the community might be albe to learn something when external conditions (running costs, property maintenance costs) are different
13:47:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and more restrictive
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13:49:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> as ottdcoop depends somewhat on expanding rails everywhere, and partly on 'comunication' rails, like prios, but also gates
13:49:17  <Stablean> <V453000> the mainline is as dense as nobody builds
13:49:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how do you mean?
13:49:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nobody builds a more dense ML?
13:50:00  <Stablean> <V453000> any "other" building style does not contrain as saturated traffic
13:50:10  <Stablean> <V453000> unless you do point to point with everything fully used
13:51:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, flexibility in destinations comes at a cost
13:52:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Dom, watch your cash
13:52:49  <Stablean> <V453000> it is a part of the reason why I consider maintenance costs worthless ... obviously there is the first thing that they just slow down gameplay by costs, but the real point is that they do not add anything interesting
13:53:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> not by itself
13:53:11  <Stablean> <V453000> obviously causing emphasis on more traffic per rail is cute
13:53:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 'cute' :)
13:53:23  <Stablean> <V453000> but that only means separate smaller networks
13:54:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, when looking at the title picture of times SML/PZG13, I do still see a lot of 'empty' rails
13:54:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and that's what I mean
13:55:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> stil, just wondering
13:55:47  <Stablean> <V453000> well if it is a split into 3 rails because the station covers 63 tiles x 10 sets otherwise it does not even fit, you cant really do it in another way
13:56:05  <Stablean> <V453000> in that game that station is actually the only option
13:57:53  <Stablean> <V453000> packing your ML doesnt mean use all lines everywhere in every point with max traffic
14:00:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, but can you see my initial stance if I look at that: well, that's a lot of empty (so useless) rails?
14:00:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll take your word on that account anytime tho
14:01:22  <Stablean> <V453000> well but that is an aim generally
14:01:29  <Stablean> <V453000> making things small also means using rails effectively
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14:01:48  <Stablean> <V453000> that this station is rather long is because it has extreme requirements and problems with station spread
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14:02:12  <Stablean> <V453000> but station of this throughput would not get much more "effective" by any other design, of that I am fairly sure
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14:03:19  <Stablean> <V453000> note that due to the traffic each of the line is even halved from the ML, not even full
14:03:29  <Stablean> <V453000> that is how extreme requirements it had
14:03:51  <Stablean> <V453000> mostly caused by the 643 speed vs. long-ass unloading
14:04:11  <Stablean> <V453000> and obviously the packing, not to mention total throughput
14:04:25  <Stablean> <V453000> idk how many platforms are there per line ... 20?
14:05:07  <Stablean> <V453000> 32 platforms per one line
14:05:09  <Stablean> <V453000> 32
14:05:24  <Stablean> <V453000> things like NUTS slugs can deal with 4 in normal traffic
14:05:58  <Stablean> <V453000> either way, your attempt is realizable, but unrelated to that game
14:06:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay
14:06:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and the 20 platforms per line is due to ...
14:06:37  <Stablean> <V453000> having strong/superstrong even trains would make sense to do that
14:06:41  <Stablean> <V453000> 32 not 20
14:06:53  <Stablean> <V453000> due to extremely high packing of the main line
14:07:04  <Stablean> <V453000> 36 built, 32 used
14:07:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm
14:07:17  <Stablean> <V453000> could be 31 but lets consider that not important
14:07:40  <Stablean> <V453000> hm nope, is 32, checked
14:07:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I really can't imagine why you would use so many, with 'normal' unloading loading times
14:07:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> how long did it take to unload/load?
14:07:56  <Stablean> <V453000> 643kmh
14:07:58  <Stablean> <V453000> like 10 stages
14:08:05  <Stablean> <V453000> maybe 8 or something
14:08:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes, speeds starts to make a difference at some point
14:08:20  <Stablean> <V453000> speeds make brutal difference
14:08:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and all 32 were filled at some pont?
14:08:29  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
14:08:32  <Stablean> <V453000> all 32 used
14:08:54  <Stablean> <V453000> well you can have all of them filled at the same time, some need to be free for the next
14:09:13  <Stablean> <V453000> as you can see in the game, it the last set of 4 out of 36 platforms is always empty
14:09:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> so, if I freeze t he game, and check how much platforma are occupied (either loading, arriving or leaving) , there would 32 platforms?
14:09:22  <Stablean> <V453000> rest of the 32 is regularly serviced
14:10:00  <Stablean> <V453000> very close to that number yes
14:10:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, okay
14:10:04  <Stablean> <V453000> counting like 28 now
14:10:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but I mean, look at Huwood Valley
14:10:15  <Stablean> <V453000> just load the save of pzg13? ...
14:10:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I would bet that at one time, no more than 8 are actually occupied
14:10:57  <Stablean> <V453000> diferent station, and yes there is more than needed
14:11:03  <Stablean> <V453000> you dont need 6 with maglev
14:11:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know, didn't build it for maglev though
14:11:19  <Stablean> <V453000> 5 should od I think
14:11:29  <Stablean> <V453000> how is that relevant what you built it for :d
14:11:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> built it under capacity
14:11:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just changed rails
14:12:11  <Stablean> <V453000> -> ? :d how does it relate to the previous discussion?
14:12:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for monorail I actually needed more than this, but not anymore with maglev
14:12:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nothing, just a sidetrack
14:12:25  <Stablean> <V453000> obviously, since monorail has 5 loading stages instead of 3
14:12:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> but the number of platforms occupied
14:13:31  <Stablean> <V453000> well, what then :d
14:13:37  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh
14:13:39  <Stablean> <V453000> this is a relatively dense point I assume
14:13:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just wanted to make sure that at one point 32 platforms were actually occupied
14:13:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> in pzg 13
14:14:07  <Stablean> <V453000> 30 are at bottom set
14:15:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'll check it out later
14:15:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I'm going to go now
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14:15:14  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
14:15:14  <Stablean> <V453000> bye
14:15:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bye
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16:31:54  <Stablean> <Dom> hi
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16:37:12  <Stablean> <Dom> hi
16:37:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
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16:51:04  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  jam
16:51:11  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
16:51:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
16:51:21  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
16:52:56  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how   things
16:53:00  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> jam
16:53:10  <Stablean> <Jam35> ok
16:53:16  <Stablean> <Jam35> you?
16:53:18  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
16:54:33  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> jam   can  u   give  me  a  hand whive   sume   thin
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16:54:48  <Stablean> <Jam35> slh at this2 ? :)
16:55:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep  and  slh  at  this
16:55:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> hmmm :D
16:55:16  <Stablean> <Jam35> okay
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16:55:46  <Stablean> <Jam35> whadda ya wanna do?
16:58:25  <Stablean> <Jam35> Its pretty much one hub
16:58:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> just theres a mine in the middle of it
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17:05:44  <Stablean> <Jam35> eating afk ish
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17:26:33  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 516 (Red) is happy tran  sport, in company 2 (happy tran  sport Transport)
17:26:33  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 496 is V453000, a spectator
17:26:33  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 514 (Blue) is Troy McClure, in company 3 (BiGwetRAILS COOP LLC & CO. LTD.)
17:26:33  <Stablean> BiG_MeEcH: Client 518 is Jam35, a spectator
17:26:39  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> troy     is    this    slh  ok
17:26:47  <BiG_MeEcH> Im gonna try and join
17:26:52  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sec
17:26:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
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17:27:23  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  big
17:27:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo
17:27:32  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
17:27:34  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yo
17:27:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> good, yo
17:27:55  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
17:27:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> tired
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17:47:47  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> o/
17:47:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> hiya
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18:20:25  <Stablean> <R3D24> Afternoon all
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18:29:40  <Stablean> <R3D24> hllo hpy hws it gong
18:29:51  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  and   good
18:30:06  <Stablean> <R3D24> lol I love mocking text talk :P
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19:49:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  diablo  how  things
19:50:16  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi happy, well its cold here
19:50:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> its  not  to  bad  in uk
19:50:56  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> be back  later
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