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05:15:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yooooooooooooo
05:15:21  <Stablean> <Jomann> JOOOOOOOOOO
05:15:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi
05:15:37  <Stablean> <Jomann> hey
05:15:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it looks like you're using the wrong signals :)
05:16:10  <Stablean> <Jomann> I know someone told me to use basaic signals
05:16:21  <Stablean> <Jomann> but they get placed in both directions
05:16:23  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yup, do you know how to drag and drop them?
05:16:29  <Stablean> <Jomann> and then all trains do what they want
05:16:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, i could help you there
05:16:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you have to click twice in the same spot with the signals tool for it to go 1-way or the other
05:16:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> with the basic signals
05:16:59  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah with drag and so yes but I dont get the right drag for only one diretion
05:17:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i could do a demo for you
05:17:21  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah but I dont do this 1 click thing for 1000 signals
05:17:23  <Stablean> <Big Meech> interested?
05:17:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no, you dont
05:17:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it's quite easy
05:17:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> there's a flat spot near dalvik fertilizer plant
05:17:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i could show you there
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05:18:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at !demo ( sign )
05:18:42  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok
05:18:49  <Stablean> <Jomann> but I know how it has to look like.
05:19:00  <Stablean> <Jomann> I think I just drag wrong in such casr
05:19:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you see the clics ?
05:19:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> *clicks
05:19:26  <Stablean> <Jomann> but you double click every single signal?
05:19:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no
05:19:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> see that one i placeD?
05:19:48  <Stablean> <Jomann> y
05:19:54  <Stablean> <Jomann> ahh
05:19:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> click and drag first one in the row
05:20:06  <Stablean> <Jomann> I saw this when I accidently had mouse over other type of signal
05:20:17  <Stablean> <Jomann> wow nice
05:20:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, ha
05:20:28  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you have your signaling every 1 space
05:20:42  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I have full lines
05:20:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you see the signals box?
05:20:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> theres a little arrow left and right in the very last box on the right bottom row
05:21:06  <Stablean> <Jomann> I know
05:21:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it should be set on 2
05:21:42  <Stablean> <Jomann> see my sign
05:21:44  <Stablean> <Jomann> ?
05:21:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at sign ?
05:22:20  <Stablean> <Jomann> y
05:22:28  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes im looking there
05:22:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> 1 spaceed
05:22:36  <Stablean> <Jomann> instead of 2
05:22:42  <Stablean> <Jomann> because quite high traffic
05:23:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> general rule of thumb is every 2 spaces
05:23:12  <Stablean> <Jomann> why?
05:23:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you only need to do heavy signalling very occasionally
05:23:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> its hard to rework and or add to tracks with trains moving when you have signals every 1 space
05:23:51  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I know that :D
05:24:10  <Stablean> <Jomann> but when I 1 space put it there it jams traffic
05:24:16  <Stablean> <Jomann> eh 2 spaced
05:24:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> good news is it looks like you have a good grasp on building already
05:24:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you will get better at building well with 2 spacing on singals soon
05:24:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the longer you build and play here the better you will get
05:25:07  <Stablean> <Jomann> I felt that from first minute here >:(
05:25:11  <Stablean> <Jomann> ty
05:25:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i notice some of your issues already where you have spaced every 1 spot
05:25:31  <Stablean> <Jomann> so it is wrong track layout when I need 1 spaced signals?
05:25:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> well it usually indicates that there is a problem area
05:25:52  <Stablean> <Jomann> yes
05:26:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> either a split causing a slowdown or a station causing backup or bridges that need doubling
05:26:33  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I alreadz shorten the bridges near the sign
05:26:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> even with a bridge span of 4, you would want to use a minimum of 2 bridges per track
05:27:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you would have to think of the bridges as a signal gap
05:27:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> once a train is in the gap, another train cannot proceed
05:27:31  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah same with tunnel
05:27:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yup
05:28:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like a few others have helped you out already then :D
05:28:11  <Stablean> <Jomann> how?
05:28:17  <Stablean> <Jomann> with building etc?
05:28:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> well telling you about gap and tunnel / bridge
05:28:32  <Stablean> <Jomann> no that I noticed bz myeself
05:28:42  <Stablean> <Jomann> argh wrong keyboard layout
05:28:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh very good
05:28:55  <Stablean> <Jomann> but they helped me in  general things etc.
05:29:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yup
05:29:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> good :D
05:29:27  <Stablean> <Jomann> ,)
05:29:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i showed you a small bridge demo at !demo
05:30:31  <Stablean> <Jomann> ahhh thats why all good players do this
05:30:37  <Stablean> <Jomann> k I see the reason :(
05:32:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you'll do it naturally soon enough
05:32:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you can take a snapshot of anything in game with printscreen
05:32:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> that might help you down the road
05:32:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it helped me
05:32:42  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh those eays examples are good to remember
05:32:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hope it helps
05:32:56  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh with speed daemons there is 3 tile curve to low
05:33:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 3 length in the curve should be okay, i dont think it has tilt
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05:33:58  <Stablean> <Jomann> it has speed goes 100 down
05:34:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it also depends on the length of the train
05:34:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i think some of your speed demons are okay
05:34:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> as theyre shorter
05:34:37  <Stablean> <Jomann> see the sign?
05:34:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> rule of thumb is that for a train length of 3, you should try curves of 3
05:35:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the speed would be lower in the inner lane for sure
05:35:27  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah tahts too
05:35:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> that
05:36:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the faster the locomotive, the higher curve you usually need, i think the max speed on a 3 tile curve is around 250mph
05:36:29  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh those do 420 there
05:38:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> did you have any questionS?
05:39:08  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh ony with auto replacing
05:39:15  <Stablean> <Jomann> trains
05:39:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ah
05:39:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> may i join your company?
05:39:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I would need your p/w
05:40:00  <Stablean> <Jomann> sure
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05:40:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it usually helps to group trains
05:41:06  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes, click o nthe train button in the 4th grop of icons in the top panel
05:41:08  <Stablean> <Jomann> the network with the grain drop
05:41:38  <Stablean> <Jomann> depot menu or train menu?
05:42:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like a train, next toe the truck / boat and ship
05:42:11  <Stablean> <Big Meech> click it once should bring up the menu
05:42:38  <Stablean> <Jomann> the autoreplace button?
05:43:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hmm? :)
05:43:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i don't want to lose you, have you clicked on the train menu?
05:44:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> should say jomann transport - 181 trains
05:44:04  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhhh in the depot right?
05:44:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no, you;'re not clikcing on any depot
05:44:21  <Stablean> <Jomann> ahhh you mean on top menu
05:44:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> top menu
05:44:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yep
05:44:28  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok
05:44:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> train box popped up?
05:44:48  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah so I group them
05:44:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ill leave grouping for later
05:45:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at the bottom it says available trains, and a small arrow, click the small arrow
05:45:33  <Stablean> <Jomann> y
05:45:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> first opetion is replace vehicles
05:46:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the problem you have at the moment is you have some old rail vehicles and maglev it looks like
05:46:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> but this is the replace menu
05:46:35  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh I use  universal rail anyways
05:46:53  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah looks much better I tried it in the depot
05:47:03  <Stablean> <Jomann> but autoreplace didnt work there
05:47:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> depot is super hard as you only do 1 train at a time
05:47:15  <Stablean> <Jomann> sure
05:47:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think that autoreplace menu only renews the same eingine type
05:47:36  <Stablean> <Jomann> but I think I will group all trains next round from beginning ?:(
05:47:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you will want to do that for next game, yes
05:48:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> seperate each type of train too, Grain / wood / plastic / toys / scrap / ect
05:48:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes like that
05:49:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if you click on ungrouped trains you will get a better idea of what is not grouped
05:52:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if you want your mind blown go to
05:53:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i didnt see a replacement tutorial there though, sadly
05:53:20  <Stablean> <Jomann> eh lol
05:53:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> you dont even need to send it to depot?
05:54:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> after you execute the replace order, they usually find a depot to switch into
05:54:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i say usually because sometimes they can't find a route
05:54:18  <Stablean> <Jomann> ah  I see
05:54:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> one train isnt replaced in test grouped
05:54:33  <Stablean> <Jomann> but hey awesome
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05:54:55  <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot
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05:55:25  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sorry :)
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05:56:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> there are tricks on where to place your depots
05:56:17  <Stablean> <Jomann> np
05:56:19  <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot
05:56:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> its not finding one with pathfinding
05:56:25  <Stablean> <Jomann> I see best on both sides
05:56:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sometimes you do have to send them to depot
05:57:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like it missed the last depot
05:57:32  <Stablean> <Jomann> I see
05:57:55  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok but they blocking all traffic :D
05:58:25  <Stablean> <Big Meech> like i said, there are tricks to prevent complete jamming of the network
05:58:43  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks like all of your depots are ' visible ' and on the main lines
06:00:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> we can chat more or you can ask others more stuff but as for now its 2am and I need to go to bed
06:00:32  <Stablean> <Jomann> oh yes
06:00:38  <Stablean> <Jomann> oh yes
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06:00:42  <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot
06:00:44  <Stablean> <Jomann> and sleep well
06:00:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Thanks, I hope some of the stuff we discussed helps you out
06:01:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> and hope to see you again on this server
06:01:06  <Stablean> <Jomann> sure with the trains massive
06:01:09  <Stablean> <Jomann> sure
06:01:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ttyl
06:01:25  <Stablean> <Jomann> :)
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07:25:33  <Stablean> <Jomann> ohh happy
07:25:39  <Stablean> <Jomann> glad to see you
07:25:41  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
07:25:49  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> and  u  to
07:26:11  <Stablean> <Jomann> are u willing to do a problem analyse?
07:26:13  <Stablean> <Jomann> :(
07:26:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  have  not  got  lone    i got  to go  out  soon
07:26:37  <Stablean> <Jomann> okay
07:26:44  <Stablean> <Jomann> but maybe you have an quick idea
07:26:58  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> doo  a sign    and i have  a look
07:27:04  <Stablean> <Jomann> speed down sign
07:27:14  <Stablean> <Jomann> I just made third track with those two bridges
07:27:22  <Stablean> <Jomann> and see big station the traffic
07:27:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> only one train goes in at time
07:28:25  <Stablean> <Jomann> seems sth totally broken with pathing
07:28:33  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
07:29:20  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> rite       i  for  got  your  password
07:29:43  <Stablean> <Jomann> you se an error?
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07:30:22  <Stablean> <V453000> m00
07:30:24  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  v
07:30:26  <Stablean> <Jomann> hey
07:31:05  <Stablean> <Jomann> if u do sth pls make a sign so I know the error for next time
07:34:09  <Stablean> <V453000> that is important to explain happy
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07:34:24  <Stablean> <V453000> see this Jomann
07:34:54  <Stablean> <Jomann> that it works now yes.. but dont see any difference
07:35:05  <Stablean> <V453000> thats why I am trying to explain it
07:35:07  <Stablean> <V453000> here
07:35:13  <Stablean> <V453000> this is what you originally had
07:35:21  <Stablean> <V453000> the problem is that the trains can collide with each other
07:35:31  <Stablean> <V453000> at the X of rails
07:35:45  <Stablean> <V453000> so how you solve this is that the secondary connection does not make any crossing like that
07:35:47  <Stablean> <V453000> crossings are bad
07:35:47  <Stablean> <Jomann> so no X junctions on 2 way ml?
07:36:01  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah
07:36:12  <Stablean> <V453000> so you just let each of the lines be joined by a separate connection
07:36:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok think I got it
07:36:40  <Stablean> <V453000> that is why I told you to use the basic signals
07:36:48  <Stablean> <V453000> because PBS keeps you in doing the crosses
07:37:02  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah I switched some already
07:37:16  <Stablean> <Jomann> I rebuild other signals because wanted to know if it has to do with basic signals
07:37:19  <Stablean> <V453000> I know ... it is tough to convert the rails though :) maybe should have left it for next game
07:38:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  got  to go now
07:38:29  <Stablean> <Jomann> so with the signals I used X junctions are _allowed_
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07:41:39  <Stablean> <V453000> no
07:41:45  <Stablean> <V453000> that is only misleading
07:42:04  <Stablean> <V453000> in other words, every crossing like that has terrible throughput
07:42:23  <Stablean> <V453000> meaning the lower amount of those you can make, the better
07:42:38  <Stablean> <V453000> but technically speaking, they are the reason why such X junctions can work due to the pathfinding
07:42:49  <Stablean> <V453000> e.g. basic signal lets train in only if there is no train in the following block
07:43:03  <Stablean> <V453000> path signal finds the individual paths
07:43:39  <Stablean> <V453000> the block approach would look this way in this case
07:44:06  <Stablean> <V453000> but, this is not a real crossing
07:44:20  <Stablean> <V453000> so you possibly Could replace it with path based signal just as well in this case
07:44:34  <Stablean> <V453000> like that
07:44:40  <Stablean> <Jomann> so but for good blocks at stations I need path signals?
07:45:15  <Stablean> <V453000> you just need to learn to separate signal blocks
07:45:21  <Stablean> <V453000> you do not really need PBS signals for now
07:45:32  <Stablean> <V453000> they are just the last ditch effort if all else fails and you need space
07:45:43  <Stablean> <V453000> but it is best to learn the block signals
07:46:05  <Stablean> <V453000> you cant do that though
07:46:11  <Stablean> <V453000> do not combine them
07:46:17  <Stablean> <Jomann> I see it got much more difficult :)
07:46:35  <Stablean> <V453000> yes but once you learn it, it will open a lot of new options for you
07:46:49  <Stablean> <V453000> in this station, you do not need this
07:46:55  <Stablean> <V453000> that
07:47:06  <Stablean> <V453000> each line getting 5/6 platforms is just fine
07:47:17  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok
07:47:31  <Stablean> <V453000> btw it is nicer using the appropriate rail instead of universal :P
07:47:31  <Stablean> <Jomann> but I need the entry signals as it seems
07:47:37  <Stablean> <V453000> the trains are drawn bigger for bigger maglev tracks
07:47:53  <Stablean> <V453000> entry signal is the one which stops trains when all platforms are full
07:48:16  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah but without entry signals not all platforms where used
07:48:34  <Stablean> <V453000> that is only because you have a lot of platforms for not so much traffic :)
07:48:41  <Stablean> <V453000> which is alright
07:49:13  <Stablean> <V453000> by the way, the fast class of trains is very hard to deal with
07:49:23  <Stablean> <V453000> medium or even strong is the best for learning
07:49:49  <Stablean> <Jomann> but when it is hard to deal with isnt the learning curve steeper?
07:50:27  <Stablean> <V453000> no this is a lot more complicated
07:50:41  <Stablean> <V453000> by having your trains accelerate well, you need to have your network set up more precisely
07:50:49  <Stablean> <V453000> as every detail matters more - because train density is higher
07:50:59  <Stablean> <V453000> so you can discover the mistakes and errors
07:50:59  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah felt that
07:51:33  <Stablean> <V453000> while poorly accelerating trains will just jam in general because of the poor density
07:51:40  <Stablean> <Jomann> but network ran good until I made this x junction
07:51:47  <Stablean> <V453000> there are ways how to make fast trains effective but it is very hard and needs some special tricks
07:52:05  <Stablean> <V453000> well yes, you still do not have enough trains to make this engine difference really valid
07:52:15  <Stablean> <V453000> but sooner or later you will get the network to be full
07:52:31  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah missing resources. I wanted to build more but then this jam came out :(
07:53:17  <Stablean> <V453000> prospect and add :)
07:53:35  <Stablean> <Jomann> I would like to have more eng supplies
07:54:06  <Stablean> <V453000> that wont happen as they have their ratio on which they are produced
07:54:28  <Stablean> <V453000> which is good because it means you need to think of some better redistribution
07:56:15  <Stablean> <V453000> well I think I flooded you with enough info for now :P
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07:56:23  <Stablean> <Jomann> no its okay :)
07:56:37  <Stablean> <Jomann> but good to know that thing with these x junction
07:56:37  <Stablean> <V453000> do you know our website?
07:56:47  <Stablean> <V453000> especially the wiki part, eventually the savegame archives
07:56:47  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah visited it some hours ago
07:56:54  <Stablean> <V453000> good
07:57:54  <Stablean> <Jomann> I see there are more than this server
07:59:20  <Stablean> <V453000> yes, the main stuff is on the public server
07:59:27  <Stablean> <V453000> pro zone is rather situational
07:59:50  <Stablean> <Jomann> thought so noone there
08:00:14  <Stablean> <V453000> there isnt even a game running, we finished one not too long ago
08:00:45  <Stablean> <Jomann> is it e.g. for port quadruple whatever I pump in?
08:01:03  <Stablean> <V453000> dont know about that
08:01:25  <Stablean> <V453000> but either of the goods,alcohol,or pertrol should increase the production there
08:01:33  <Stablean> <V453000> but, only 224 units monthly is enough
08:01:39  <Stablean> <V453000> more wont increase it
08:01:49  <Stablean> <Jomann> ah ok
08:02:11  <Stablean> <V453000> so the idea is that you need to make your delivery adapted to that
08:02:17  <Stablean> <V453000> not to deliver too much but make sure you deliver 224
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08:02:28  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah and more delivery to other ports
08:02:34  <Stablean> <V453000> quite
08:03:49  <Stablean> <V453000> 4.5 tile chameleon traisn have exactly 224 capacity
08:04:07  <Stablean> <V453000> 4.5 tiles might be a weird length, but I would definitely use that if it gave me such precise number :)
08:04:19  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh thats true
08:04:33  <Stablean> <Jomann> but I wont build network from 3 to 4.5 :(
08:04:39  <Stablean> <V453000> well not this time
08:04:42  <Stablean> <V453000> some next time
08:04:48  <Stablean> <Jomann> sure
08:05:22  <Stablean> <Jomann> well I got 220 with two trains
08:05:48  <Stablean> <V453000> yes but 220 is like the worst possible option
08:05:59  <Stablean> <V453000> because it means you need 3 trains to have 224+
08:06:17  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh only 4 less? with two trains
08:06:19  <Stablean> <V453000> which is a whole of 106 cargo wasted from the third train
08:06:33  <Stablean> <V453000> if you have 220, 224 gung-ho state wont happen ofc
08:06:35  <Stablean> <V453000> you need 224 or more
08:06:50  <Stablean> <Jomann> ah right
08:07:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh to bad that you cant see how much you delivered last month
08:08:10  <Stablean> <V453000> well it still makes you think of something special :)
08:08:29  <Stablean> <V453000> if you have a well-thought mechanism and system how it is done, then you do not need it to be shown because you are sure :P
08:08:40  <Stablean> <Jomann> hehe true
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08:09:46  <Stablean> <V453000> I havent played with this latest version of FIRS, but it looks quite interesting
08:10:00  <Stablean> <Jomann> FIRS?
08:10:06  <Stablean> <V453000> the industry set
08:10:20  <Stablean> <Jomann> ah yeah.. its fun with those supplies
08:10:50  <Stablean> <Jomann> only thing is u cant use fish
08:10:56  <Stablean> <Jomann> because most fish in water
08:11:10  <Stablean> <V453000> it is always maximum of 4 tiles away from land
08:11:16  <Stablean> <V453000> so you can catch it with train stations
08:11:24  <Stablean> <Jomann> oh really
08:11:26  <Stablean> <V453000> yes
08:11:40  <Stablean> <V453000> but the bigger problem is that fish does not increase production for some reason
08:12:00  <Stablean> <Jomann> for harbor?
08:12:18  <Stablean> <V453000> harbor is just the place where it is processed
08:12:28  <Stablean> <V453000> the fishing grounds do not increase production
08:12:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah and fish does nothing?
08:12:36  <Stablean> <V453000> they get no supplies, and do not increase by themselves
08:12:50  <Stablean> <Jomann> true
08:12:56  <Stablean> <V453000> well nothing ... it can be transported, but it gets boring over time
08:13:14  <Stablean> <Jomann> btw does it matter how much tiles I am into some industry?
08:13:20  <Stablean> <V453000> no
08:13:23  <Stablean> <Jomann> with my station
08:13:25  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok
08:13:31  <Stablean> <Jomann> so one tile is enough
08:13:33  <Stablean> <V453000> industry is industry as a whole
08:13:40  <Stablean> <V453000> for houses it matters as each house counts for itself
08:13:46  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah
08:18:21  <Stablean> <V453000> well I will be going
08:18:22  <Stablean> <V453000> enjoy
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08:18:26  <Stablean> <Jomann> thx a lot
08:18:34  <V453000> you are welcome
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09:26:36  <Stablean> <V453000> moo
09:26:54  <Stablean> <Jomann> jo
09:27:08  <Stablean> <V453000> lol the ships Diablo
09:27:26  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi v
09:27:29  <Stablean> <Diablo> ikr
09:27:40  <Stablean> <Diablo> thats wat boredom does
09:28:02  <Stablean> <V453000> I never understood how could you be bored when playing a game but okay
09:28:44  <Stablean> <Diablo> its also my anti-steal stuff
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09:28:58  <Stablean> <V453000> :d
09:29:21  <Stablean> <Diablo> in tyhe last game, someone took goods from my goods pick up
09:29:43  <Stablean> <V453000> just report it to any admin and it wont last for long
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09:49:55  <Stablean> <Jomann> oops
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16:33:45  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
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19:22:46  <V453000> !content
19:22:46  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Connection established
19:22:46  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
19:22:46  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download
19:22:49  <V453000> !content
19:22:51  <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered!
19:22:51  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
19:22:51  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download
19:22:56  <V453000> !content
19:22:58  <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered!
19:22:58  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
19:22:58  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download
19:23:03  <V453000> !content
19:23:05  <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered!
19:23:05  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
19:23:05  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download
19:23:08  <V453000> !content
19:23:10  <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered!
19:23:10  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
19:23:10  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download
19:23:15  <V453000> !getsave
19:23:21  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
19:23:23  <V453000> !restart
19:23:23  <Stablean> Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
19:24:01  <Stablean> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely
19:24:01  <Stablean> Thank you for playing 1.3.0.
19:24:05  <Stablean> Server has exited
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19:24:23  <V453000> bye.
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19:24:27  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
19:24:27  <Stablean> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Server ('
19:24:27  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Stablean
19:24:27  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome to OpenTTD Server | 1.3.0 | Admin channel (ask for op) | IF you prepare map, read | run !setdef after loading a new game |"
19:25:04  <Stablean> V450000000000, now you can execute !-commands ;-)
19:25:09  <V453000> !rcon cd 3
19:25:11  <V453000> !rcon load 2
19:25:14  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
19:25:15  <V453000> OBEY
19:25:20  <V453000> hm
19:25:52  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players)
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19:26:17  <V453000> !content
19:26:17  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Connection established
19:26:17  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
19:26:17  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download
19:26:20  <V453000> !content
19:26:22  <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered!
19:26:24  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] All 0 downloaded
19:26:24  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] (you need to rescan(ai|game|newgrf) to have the new content loaded)
19:26:26  <V453000> !content
19:26:28  <Stablean> V453000: [Content Update] Expect timeout triggered!
19:26:29  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 4 file(s) (519136 bytes)
19:26:29  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Downloading 0 file(s) (0 bytes)
19:26:31  <Stablean> V453000: [Content] Nothing to download
19:26:32  <V453000> ...........
19:26:38  <V453000> !restart
19:26:38  <Stablean> Restart scheduled, will be initiated in next minute!
19:27:02  <Stablean> Scheduled quit for automated maintenance... will be back shortely
19:27:02  <Stablean> Thank you for playing 1.3.0.
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19:27:16  <Stablean> Autopilot engaged
19:27:16  <Stablean> Loading savegame: '{#openttdcoop} Welcome Server ('
19:27:17  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome to OpenTTD Server | 1.3.0 | Admin channel (ask for op) | IF you prepare map, read | run !setdef after loading a new game |"
19:27:17  *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Stablean
19:27:28  <Stablean> V450000000000, now you can execute !-commands ;-)
19:28:07  <V453000> !rcon cd 3
19:28:09  <V453000> !rcon load 2
19:28:11  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
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19:31:41  <V453000> !getsave
19:31:44  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
19:31:48  <V453000> !rcon load 2
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19:52:38  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  v
19:53:42  <Stablean> <V453000> elo
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19:57:52  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi matts
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19:58:18  <Stablean> <Matt S.> hi
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20:04:30  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi
20:05:20  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  diablo
20:05:39  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi happy
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20:12:00  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice  map  v
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20:14:35  <Stablean> <Jomann> heeey
20:14:37  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> v   can  u  un  paused  the  game or ar  u stil  doing  sume  thin    on  this  map
20:14:43  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
20:14:59  <Stablean> <Jomann> ohhh nooey u destroyed my first own good rail track.
20:15:14  <Stablean> <Jomann> okay wouldnt have been possible without your help...
20:15:18  <Stablean> <Jomann> but!!!!
20:15:36  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok I will start a better one :)
20:15:48  <V453000> !auto
20:15:48  <Stablean> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
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20:16:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> so no supplies this time?
20:16:41  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
20:17:07  <Stablean> <Jomann> happy thx for your help last map.
20:17:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> np
20:17:35  <Stablean> <Jomann> I was frustrated I tried a lot and u fixed it right away :)
20:18:17  <Stablean> *** Jomann has started a new company (#1)
20:19:25  <Stablean> <Jomann> less water I think this is good
20:19:36  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
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20:39:39  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
20:39:39  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  muel
20:39:41  <Stablean> <Jomann> hi
20:41:15  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things  muel
20:41:29  <Stablean> <Muel> i dont know
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20:50:01  <Stablean> <Muel> cv
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20:52:57  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  je
20:53:03  <Stablean> <JE> Hi.. :)
20:53:09  <Stablean> <Muel> hi7
20:53:21  <Stablean> <V453000> helo
20:53:24  <Stablean> <JE> :D
20:53:30  <Stablean> <Timopo> hi all
20:53:32  <Stablean> <Jomann> hi
20:53:51  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
20:53:58  <Stablean> <JE> Muel, V453000: bavme se jazykem slovanů... ;)
20:54:20  <Stablean> <Muel> official languages this server is english ...
20:54:27  <Stablean> <V453000> ^
20:54:30  <Stablean> <JE> :)
20:54:32  <Stablean> <Muel> ?
20:57:40  <Stablean> <Muel> happy tran  sport:  sign
20:57:51  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ar  thanks
20:58:05  <Stablean> <Muel> :)
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21:04:54  <Stablean> <JE> Bye.. :)
21:05:00  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
21:05:03  <Stablean> <Jomann> bye bye
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21:13:09  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> wb diablo
21:13:43  <Stablean> <Diablo> :)
21:14:05  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
21:14:20  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi muel
21:14:22  <Stablean> <Jomann> hi
21:14:24  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
21:14:38  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi hjamann
21:15:05  <Stablean> <Diablo> *jomann
21:15:16  <Stablean> <Jomann> jo hey Diablo :)
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21:15:30  <Stablean> <Jomann> but it is nearly the same in german
21:15:38  <Stablean> <Jomann> ja and jo
21:15:52  <Stablean> <Diablo> whats jo?
21:16:32  <Stablean> <Jomann> if you speak perfect german. jo means not really yes.
21:16:48  <Stablean> <Jomann> more a yo man whats up
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21:17:14  <Stablean> <Diablo> jomann, can i suggest that you put 1-way signals at the entrance of stations
21:17:16  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh I cannot explain it well my english is too bad for this
21:17:38  <Stablean> <Diablo> u explained the basics and thats enough
21:17:48  <Stablean> <Jomann> eh I did before. then V and an other guy said... no you wont because use basic signals
21:18:19  <Stablean> <Jomann> I had one way signals before on each line entrance but V meant its better for learning to me :)
21:18:33  <Stablean> <Diablo> ah
21:19:16  <Stablean> <Jomann> so?
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21:21:25  <Stablean> <Anstonio> hello all
21:21:27  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
21:21:33  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
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21:23:39  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh the one way signal does not work too
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21:33:01  <Mazur> !rcon move 33 255
21:33:01  <Mazur> "Player", when you play in a company, use a proper nick, you can set one with !name yourname in the textbox
21:33:03  <Stablean> Mazur: ‎*** Player has joined spectators
21:33:24  <Stablean> <Player> Okey dokey
21:33:35  <Stablean> <Player> Is there any way to see chat history?
21:34:01  <Stablean> <Jomann> key next to 1 for me
21:34:07  <Stablean> *** NL-Koelkast has joined company #5
21:34:11  <Stablean> <Player> Ah, thanks
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22:04:29  <Stablean> <V453000> Jomann: it would be a good idea to use medium or more likely even the strong train class
22:04:47  <Stablean> <V453000> your trains suffer in short curves and more importancly hills quite terribly
22:04:53  <Stablean> <Jomann> I felt like it they had hard time with those hills :D
22:05:03  <Stablean> <V453000> try strong class :) difference is massive
22:05:17  <Stablean> <V453000> the speed does not really give you that much
22:05:56  <Stablean> <V453000> for now, good night
22:05:58  <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving)
22:06:02  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok ty
22:06:24  <Stablean> <Jomann> gn8
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22:33:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  is  your  net  werk  going   jomann
22:33:41  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh not so good right now
22:33:53  <Stablean> <Jomann> weak trains :(
22:34:07  <Stablean> <Jomann> and yours?
22:34:14  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ver  good
22:34:20  <Stablean> <Jomann> thats nice
22:34:39  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  got    80  trans now
22:35:05  <Stablean> <Jomann> wow it already looks very nice
22:39:27  <Stablean> <Jomann> my trains goin with 3.2 up the hill
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22:43:22  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> jomann    u  shord  2  tran    engines   on  them
22:43:45  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh saw them on your railways
22:44:03  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> to  keep  the  speed  up
22:44:37  <Stablean> <Jomann> so two heavy machines for each train?
22:45:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
22:45:33  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thats  y i  doo  short  trans
22:45:55  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok let me try
22:46:07  <Stablean> <Jomann> yeah good idea... that would be more trains :)
22:47:49  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhh cn I use replace menu for remove one cargo only?
22:47:55  <Stablean> <Jomann> one wagon?
22:48:05  <Stablean> <Jomann> I mean for grouped trains
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23:10:18  <Stablean> <Jomann> ok all engines two now :)
23:32:10  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  i got  no  120  trans   now
23:32:56  <Stablean> <Jomann> wow
23:38:02  <Stablean> <Jomann> mhhh Iam unlucky with my goods
23:38:20  <Stablean> <Jomann> every city I choose does not accept goods after some transports
23:38:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> u  have  to  gro  the  town
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