Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 31st July 2013:
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00:17:07  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  are u there?
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01:33:52  <Stablean> <Sylf> r1kkie: here?
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02:30:49  <Sylf> !rcon ls
02:30:49  <Stablean> Sylf: 0) .. (Parent directory)
02:30:49  <Stablean> Sylf: 1) archive/ (Directory)
02:30:49  <Stablean> Sylf: 2) StableTempS51.sav
02:30:49  <Stablean> Sylf: 3) StableNUTS76.sav
02:30:49  <Stablean> Sylf: 4) StableTropS18.sav
02:30:50  <Stablean> Sylf: you have 185 more messages
02:30:57  <Sylf> !rcon load 2
02:31:05  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
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02:31:13  <Sylf> !setdef
02:31:13  <Stablean> *** Sylf has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
02:31:15  <Sylf> !auto
02:31:15  <Stablean> *** Sylf has enabled autopause mode.
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02:31:49  <Cameron> guess that means grounds for a new map...
02:31:59  <Sylf> !rcon set min_active_clients
02:32:00  <Stablean> Sylf: Current value for 'min_active_clients' is: '255' (min: 0, max: 255)
02:32:05  <Sylf> !rcon set min_active_clients 1
02:32:19  <Sylf> !rcon reset_company 1
02:32:19  <Stablean> Sylf: Company deleted.
02:40:40  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#1)
02:40:42  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
02:40:56  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to :P
02:42:16  <Stablean> <:P> hello anyone?
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02:53:00  <Stablean> *** Cameron has started a new company (#2)
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03:25:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :P
03:25:39  <Stablean> <:P> :P
03:25:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> whoa, im green
03:25:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> this isn the wrong map ?
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03:32:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> seriously, is this the wrong map ?
03:32:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> if not ill build
03:32:24  <Stablean> <:P> idk
03:32:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> not asking you :P D: xD
03:32:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
03:32:56  <Stablean> <:P> haha
03:33:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> is that you slicey?
03:33:06  <Stablean> <:P> maybe .....
03:33:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe
03:33:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ....
03:33:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
03:33:20  <Stablean> <:P> yes it is :P
03:33:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
03:33:32  <Stablean> *** Big Meech has started a new company (#4)
03:33:40  <Stablean> <:P> i already have a better net work!
03:33:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> awesome!
03:34:14  <Stablean> *** Pim has started a new company (#5)
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03:36:52  <Stablean> <:P> what am i doing need to pay off loan -.-
03:42:08  <Stablean> <:P> hey meech
03:42:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo
03:42:28  <Stablean> <:P> see the line near your coal mine?
03:42:34  <Stablean> <:P> is it to close
03:42:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> what line?
03:43:23  <Stablean> <:P> near omaezaki
03:43:30  <Stablean> <Diablo> thats mine
03:43:36  <Stablean> <:P> no the other 1
03:43:42  <Stablean> <:P> i built
03:43:52  <Stablean> <:P> where the sign is
03:44:06  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont see a sign near my stuff Slicey
03:44:21  <Stablean> <:P> what ever it should be fiine
03:51:12  <Stablean> <:P> do u know when the next nuts train comes out?
03:51:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I think its every 5 years
03:51:44  <Stablean> <:P> alright not bad i need it
03:52:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> somtimes you have to double engines, Slicey
03:53:21  <Stablean> <:P> i do on my long trains
03:54:27  <Stablean> <:P> wish coal was able to make something not just for powerstations
04:01:05  <V453000> please use a proper nickname, rules explicitly ask you that ;) thanks
04:01:21  <Stablean> *** :P has changed his/her name to slicey
04:01:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :P is coorect!
04:01:29  <Stablean> <slicey> there?
04:01:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> woo!
04:05:57  <Stablean> <slicey> everyone is making money from coal
04:06:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> money maker! :D
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04:10:09  <Stablean> <slicey> ur back :D
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04:10:28  <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe :P
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04:14:56  <Stablean> <V453000> m00
04:15:10  <Stablean> <V453000> oh god why the colour bullshit again
04:15:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
04:15:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I thought this was the wrong map
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04:16:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> this map is kinda meh anyhow
04:16:16  <Stablean> <V453000> uhmmmmfff do those racks even work with bridges
04:16:22  <Stablean> *** V453000 has started a new company (#6)
04:16:30  <Stablean> <V453000> ofc they dont :)
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04:16:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
04:16:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> new map ? :D
04:17:02  <Stablean> <V453000> I think I can override it just by adding a few newGRFs
04:17:20  <Stablean> *** V453000 has paused the server.
04:17:20  <Stablean> <V453000> 1 min
04:17:22  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
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04:17:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
04:18:14  <Stablean> <slicey> what grf is he adding
04:18:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> he knows what he;'s doing. He's a bastard, but he's good.
04:19:24  <Stablean> <slicey> lol  should i make a food route? we should all try to grown a town
04:19:32  <Stablean> <slicey> like a huge town :P
04:19:36  <V453000> actually, I totally mixed it up, it was a method to make swedish rails work, cant make cs rails work though
04:19:39  <V453000> I will just remove the bridge set
04:21:02  <V453000> !getsave
04:21:06  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
04:21:10  <V453000> !rcon pwd
04:21:10  <Stablean> V453000: /home/ottdc/svn-stable/autopilot/save/uploads/
04:21:12  <V453000> !rcon load 2
04:21:14  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (manual, number of players)
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04:21:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
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04:21:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> unpause now boss?
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04:22:12  <V453000> !auto
04:22:12  <Stablean> *** V453000 has enabled autopause mode.
04:22:12  <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players)
04:22:13  <V453000> no
04:22:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> YES
04:22:26  <Stablean> *** Player has joined company #1
04:22:30  <V453000> !rcon set min_active_clients
04:22:30  <Stablean> V453000: Current value for 'min_active_clients' is: '255' (min: 0, max: 255)
04:22:32  <V453000> !rcon set min_active_clients 1
04:22:34  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)
04:22:38  <Stablean> <V453000> I obey
04:22:43  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to slicey
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04:22:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> slicey, you can name yourself in the dialog box for joining game at the top right
04:23:27  <Stablean> <V453000> I will assume Sylf just wanted to give them purr tracks those tunnels
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04:23:45  <Stablean> <slicey> damn i liked the bridge i had
04:25:27  <Stablean> <V453000> please dont get too attached to bridges :P
04:25:41  <Stablean> <slicey> im not ....
04:25:41  <Stablean> <V453000> although rules do not mention  that
04:25:51  <Stablean> <V453000> sexual intercourse with bridges is not recommended
04:25:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Ah, V453000... the bridges here in game are like a bridge to your soul <3
04:25:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
04:26:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> dang </3
04:26:24  <Stablean> <V453000> btw slicey try to have one network, not many separate :P
04:26:43  <Stablean> <slicey> i have 1 big 1 and a seprate which will combine?
04:26:59  <Stablean> <slicey> but kk
04:27:05  <Stablean> <V453000> well why not get there from the fist one
04:27:41  <Stablean> <slicey> well.. lets see my main network is across map if i try to ship a train for now it will take forever
04:27:59  <Stablean> <V453000> well then why do you build it so long
04:28:21  <Stablean> <slicey> ur not understanding what im saying
04:28:35  <Stablean> <V453000> I think I am
04:28:50  <Stablean> <slicey> my other coal line is to far and the time to ship is lost revenue
04:28:52  <Stablean> <V453000> it wont take forever if your network in general is smaller :P
04:29:04  <Stablean> <V453000> btw coal does not lose revenue like ever
04:29:38  <Stablean> <slicey> well
04:29:48  <Stablean> <V453000> on 256x256 space of map you can have 500 5-tile trains withou any real problems, 3-tile trains quite easily
04:29:48  <Stablean> <slicey> doesnt matter it will combine
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04:30:00  <Stablean> <slicey> dont worry :)
04:30:02  <Stablean> <V453000> my point is, if you stay in your corner, it makes a lot less mess on the map
04:30:28  <Stablean> <V453000> so having a "line" over 500x500 is really pointless, it is just a line for profit, otherwise it could have been closer to you
04:30:42  <Stablean> <slicey> hey most of my network is in thatcorner
04:30:50  <Stablean> <slicey> 95%
04:31:12  <Stablean> <V453000> 500x500 shouldnt legitimately be a corner either :P but thats fine
04:31:23  <Stablean> <V453000> most isnt all though)
04:31:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> He will get the hang of it, he's new :D
04:31:45  <Stablean> <V453000> just keep it in mind that there are going to be others on the map too :P
04:31:47  <Stablean> <slicey> im sry!!!! i dont play small maps
04:32:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> It's okay
04:32:15  <Stablean> <V453000> iz not :(
04:32:30  <Stablean> <V453000> small maps are best for learning
04:32:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> don't scare him off V453000!
04:32:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :P
04:32:58  <Stablean> <V453000> asdf
04:33:13  <Stablean> <V453000> how could you possibly suggest that I am scaring anybody
04:33:15  <Stablean> <V453000> duh!
04:33:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you're a scary bastard, is all
04:34:28  <Stablean> <V453000> :(
04:34:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> It's okay I still love you <3
04:34:44  <Stablean> <V453000> I will have my revenge through newGRFs
04:34:50  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yay!
04:35:40  <Stablean> <V453000> btw transfering away from the destination makes a lot of sense Meech
04:36:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> meh
04:36:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the network is a mm for someone else to use
04:36:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> they can ignore that part and build elsewhere, i dont care
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04:38:35  <Stablean> <V453000> no
04:38:55  <Stablean> <Cameron> why you get rid of new CC set?
04:39:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> wasnt compatable i guess
04:40:33  <Stablean> <slicey> wow
04:40:55  <Stablean> <slicey> the factory i was going to use decieded (hey lets screw slicey over) :(
04:41:01  <Stablean> <V453000> making every colour different is seriously wrong
04:41:07  <Stablean> <V453000> spectators and such should always stay white
04:41:49  <Stablean> <V453000> besides I think the colours are worse there, too
04:43:35  <Stablean> <V453000> since everything here is drawn in ttd palette, adding CC things in totally different colour just makes it look like they dont fit there, for good reasons
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04:53:41  <Stablean> <slicey> hello anyone?
04:53:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo
04:54:18  <Stablean> <slicey> alright i was messing with my signals fucked them up -.-
04:54:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> where?
04:55:10  <Stablean> <slicey> near shibetsu
04:56:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> all you need to do is reclick a few times to get them fixed
04:56:42  <Stablean> <slicey> ye
04:59:12  <Stablean> <slicey> ahh there we go
04:59:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you know how to click drag?
04:59:36  <Stablean> <slicey> ofc
05:00:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> still broken
05:00:18  <Stablean> <slicey> f me
05:00:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> send me your p/w in pm and ill fix it
05:00:47  <Stablean> <Cameron> no thanks :p no homo
05:00:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> not you :P
05:01:33  <Stablean> <slicey> na i got it bro :)
05:01:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> looks really broken :D
05:04:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it could have been fixed by now if i was doing it :D
05:04:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you sure yo ugot it ? :D
05:04:30  <Stablean> <slicey> yyes :)
05:04:36  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
05:06:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yay
05:07:14  <Stablean> <slicey> there we go :)
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05:08:33  <Stablean> <Cameron> this will bring nice money for me :P
05:08:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no way :P
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05:14:47  <Stablean> <slicey> i want the new nuts train -.-
05:16:02  <Stablean> <V453000> what new nuts train :D
05:16:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> he wants Version 2
05:16:14  <Stablean> <slicey> no just the better
05:16:16  <Stablean> <slicey> yea
05:16:18  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :)
05:16:56  <Stablean> <V453000> actually strong class would make a lot more sense for you to use
05:16:59  <Stablean> <V453000> but as you wish
05:17:22  <Stablean> <V453000> your trains rarely ever go above 100
05:17:32  <Stablean> <Cameron> gotta get me some superstrong now
05:17:47  <Stablean> <slicey> ahhh perfect
05:18:14  <Stablean> <Cameron> and some gen 3 wagons
05:18:16  <Stablean> <V453000> as you saw last game with the long fast monorail Cameron, using trivial "networks" from one end to another without hubs is no real point for superstrong
05:18:30  <Stablean> <slicey> 90mph and a strong
05:20:56  <Stablean> <slicey>
05:20:59  <Stablean> <V453000>
05:21:02  <Stablean> <Cameron>
05:21:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech>
05:23:23  <Stablean> <V453000> Big Meech being the slow retard as always
05:23:39  <Stablean> <Cameron> lol
05:23:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :'(
05:24:23  <Stablean> <V453000> :>
05:30:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> slicey :)
05:30:03  <Stablean> <slicey> ?
05:30:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> for next time
05:30:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> when you want to service a farm, use 2 seperate stations, one for grain and one for livestock
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05:40:26  <Stablean> <slicey> well thanks to the damn local authority i get to go around the town
05:40:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> plant trees :D
05:40:51  <Stablean> <slicey> yea i know
05:40:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> usually requires bullzosing!
05:41:32  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway have a nice day everybody
05:41:34  <Stablean> <V453000> except meech
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05:41:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> pfft
05:42:30  <Stablean> <Cameron> poor Meeches :-|
05:42:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I know!
05:42:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
05:42:43  <Stablean> <slicey> damn u town
05:43:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol, nice ML cameron
05:43:23  <Stablean> <Cameron> i know :)
05:43:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I dont think that puny train can haul all of that! :D
05:43:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> one of MFB's trains yeseterday were hauling 2.2 million pounds xD
05:45:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
05:45:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 27mph :D
05:45:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh shit
05:46:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> even bigger incline next!
05:46:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 18mph! :D
05:47:50  <Stablean> <Cameron> 118k... damn
05:49:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 11mph :D
05:49:59  <Stablean> <Cameron> I'd level out dem hills, but that's too costly
05:50:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> haha
05:50:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> 8)
05:50:25  <Stablean> <slicey> meech! look at my goods route :) took forever
05:50:59  <Stablean> <Cameron> your station pick up... 8)
05:51:25  <Stablean> <Cameron> and the tight corners...yuck
05:51:29  <Stablean> <slicey> stfu
05:51:31  <Stablean> <slicey> :P
05:51:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the areas where you cross you will want to leave more room next time
05:52:00  <Stablean> <slicey> :(
05:52:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> If I were Diablo i would throw a fit xD
05:52:40  <Stablean> <slicey> if there is a problem i can remake bridges
05:56:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> wathcing paint dry is quicker than your train, Cameron :D
05:56:41  <Stablean> <Cameron> omg, yeah, I bet
05:56:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> needs moar TE and HP
05:57:11  <Stablean> <Cameron> well, I'm waiting for it
05:58:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> down to 8 mph
05:59:20  <Stablean> <Cameron> SS for now will fix it, but still trying to refit them all
06:01:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> delivery in 1 year?
06:02:22  <Stablean> <Cameron> I guess
06:02:25  <Stablean> <slicey> should i build a cross map? :P
06:03:07  <Stablean> <slicey> if i did it would be on edge pof map
06:07:22  <Stablean> <slicey> hmmm
06:10:53  <Stablean> <Big Meech> might want to add another coal train
06:10:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> cam
06:11:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh, nevermind one on the way :D
06:11:16  <Stablean> <slicey> meech u see my bridges :)
06:11:26  <Stablean> <slicey> left side of map
06:11:48  <Stablean> <slicey> :P
06:12:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I see some bridges
06:16:02  <Stablean> <slicey> around what year do good nuts trains come out?
06:16:45  <Stablean> <Cameron> and we've got problem, well itty bitty one
06:19:07  <Stablean> <slicey> in 9hrs will my railroad be here?
06:19:53  <Stablean> <slicey> well ttyl
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06:19:57  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
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06:28:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi Ali
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06:35:49  <Stablean> <Player> im not slicey
06:35:51  <Stablean> <Player> jk :)
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07:32:25  <Stablean> <slicey> hello anyonme
07:32:29  <Stablean> <slicey> anyone*
07:32:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> evening :)
07:32:57  <Stablean> <slicey> :P
07:33:11  <Stablean> <Gashernite> which part of the world are you from?
07:33:17  <Stablean> <slicey> america
07:33:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> cool
07:33:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Australia here
07:33:49  <Stablean> <slicey> nice
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07:36:35  <Stablean> <slicey> meech u here
07:38:02  <Stablean> <slicey> wow just wasted 7m -.-
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08:16:10  <Stablean> <ROM5419> wow, this is a big map
08:16:16  <Stablean> <slicey> no lol
08:16:34  <Stablean> <Gashernite> lol
08:16:36  <Stablean> <slicey> have u playes 2048x2048
08:16:39  <Stablean> <Gashernite> 2k x 2k is big
08:16:45  <Stablean> <slicey> played*
08:16:55  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I want to toy with an 8k x 8k map >.<
08:16:55  <Stablean> <slicey> hey gash
08:17:02  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Hey Slicey
08:17:13  <Stablean> <slicey> hows your industry production going
08:17:24  <Stablean> <slicey> i hate getting a good production
08:17:30  <Stablean> <Gashernite> not too bad, things are picking up :)
08:17:41  <Stablean> <slicey> nice i finally hit a 700 :)
08:18:03  <Stablean> <Gashernite> terraforming is way expensive though, which makes it hard
08:18:21  <Stablean> <slicey> and makes (strong) engines so important
08:18:29  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah
08:19:00  <Stablean> <slicey> just wait till 2000 then u get purr trains :)
08:19:19  <Stablean> <ROM5419> what's with the japanese city names?
08:19:30  <Stablean> <Cameron> idk
08:19:32  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I've actually never played with this newgrf before, it's interesting
08:19:34  <Stablean> <ROM5419> reminds me of "The Wolverine" i watched on saturday
08:19:38  <Stablean> <slicey> its like the (theme)
08:20:29  <Stablean> <slicey> well if u can last trains keep coming out even at 2070
08:20:32  <Stablean> <slicey> P
08:20:39  <Stablean> <Gashernite> nice
08:20:57  <Stablean> <slicey> there awesome u know the best maglev
08:21:07  <Stablean> <slicey> are*
08:22:21  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Should have my loan paid off soon :)
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08:22:45  <Stablean> <slicey> i think im lagging lol
08:22:49  <Stablean> <slicey> terrible computer
08:22:56  <Stablean> <slicey> need to go on my other one
08:23:31  <Stablean> <ROM5419> @Slicey: What's that small piece of rail doing near Tokyo?
08:23:45  <Stablean> <slicey> hm?
08:24:39  <Stablean> <slicey> 747 :)))))
08:24:45  <Stablean> <slicey> on my coal mine
08:25:47  <Stablean> <slicey> just hit 65 trains :P
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08:27:20  <Stablean> <slicey> alright well im going to go to sleep its 1;30am
08:27:26  <Stablean> <Gashernite> g'night
08:27:28  <Stablean> <slicey> :P cya!! have fun
08:27:30  <Stablean> <ROM5419> its 4:30pm here
08:27:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> 6:31pm here
08:27:40  <Stablean> <slicey> yea well i live in amurica
08:27:47  <Stablean> <ROM5419> 'murica.
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08:27:53  <Stablean> <Gashernite> lol
08:28:15  <Stablean> <slicey> dont pass me in $$$$$$$$$
08:28:18  <Stablean> <slicey> lol
08:28:22  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'll try not to
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08:28:52  <Stablean> <Henri> Hello
08:28:59  <Stablean> <ROM5419> hi
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08:29:05  <Stablean> <Gashernite> hi Henri
08:29:23  <Stablean> <Anson>  breakdowns and thus no need to force service for your long trains ... that speeds up things :-)
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08:30:57  <Stablean> <Anson> where did the first part of my sentence go ? ... i said "hallo ... a hint: breakdowns on this server usually are off and thus no need ...."
08:31:24  <Stablean> <Cameron> refits :)
08:32:16  <Stablean> <Cameron> what's weird is, I have a small lump on my tongue
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08:33:13  <Stablean> <Gashernite> it's taken me 5 years to get rid of half my loan...
08:33:27  <Stablean> <Henri> crap
08:33:34  <Stablean> <Henri> used wrong tail
08:33:37  <Stablean> <Henri> rail type
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08:33:46  <Stablean> <Gashernite> mind you I did a stupid and tried to teraform straight up...
08:33:56  <Stablean> <Henri> : D
08:34:55  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so I ded 750,000 worth of terraforming and then had 250,000 to figure out how to make money...
08:35:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> did*
08:35:28  <Stablean> <Anson> cameron: are 17 depots needed along a (long) route for refitting coal ? :-)
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08:36:11  <Stablean> <Cameron> maybe, took me 20 mins to fix 8 trains that were too long
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08:49:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson: What do you think about making long refitning trains?
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09:01:39  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi all
09:01:42  <Stablean> <Gashernite> hi
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09:22:58  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson are you there?
09:23:29  <Stablean> <Anson> yes
09:24:11  <Stablean> <Anson> about long refitting trains: as with everything else ... it depends :-)
09:24:17  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
09:24:39  <Stablean> <Anson> the depots and the time to use them might be a challenge, but when travel takes a long time anyway, it isn't too bad
09:24:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thinking about trying it this map.
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09:26:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Does it work good with  more then one raw material mine? Or is it best to use transfer stations? :)
09:28:33  <Stablean> <Anson> what do you mean ? the refitting happens because you want to transport something different at secondaries, not primaries/mines
09:28:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Never mind. :D
09:29:53  <Stablean> <Anson> but if you never did refitting networks before, you might want to experiment with a smaller network and shorter trains first ..
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09:30:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Maby. :D
09:31:48  <Stablean> <Anson> did you see the wood loop and the iron/steel loop last game ? ... i used at least 3 different methods to refit there
09:32:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I saw the iron loop. Made one myself to.
09:32:44  <Stablean> <Gashernite> might be a bit of a noob question...
09:32:54  <Stablean> <Gashernite> but what's an "implicit" order?
09:33:29  <Stablean> <Anson> when you don't use non-stop orders, trains might stop at other stations too ... those stations get the implicit orders
09:33:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so I guess it's just to tell what stations it goes to?
09:33:58  <Stablean> <Anson> omplicit = you didn't tell them to go there, but they think they might have an order for those stations
09:34:25  <Stablean> <Anson> not to TELL, but to SHOW/SEE
09:34:47  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> yellow
09:34:51  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> look at your train 52
09:34:53  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> me
09:34:59  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> there might be a problem there
09:35:02  <Stablean> <Anson> you tell the train with explicit orders what to do ... and when they think they should add some other station in between, that is implicit
09:35:20  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> i am color yellow
09:35:30  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> yes thats right
09:35:33  <Stablean> <Gashernite> seems redundant :/
09:35:39  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> no
09:36:21  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> his 52 train its from company 1
09:36:35  <Stablean> <Anson> when you have three stations one after another, called A B C, you give an axplicit order to go from A to C ...
09:36:37  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> oh sry
09:36:48  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> then thats not you
09:37:01  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> yeap
09:37:16  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> ist name is Slicey
09:37:19  <Stablean> <Anson> that is an explicit order ... if it is non-stop, that's all ... but if it is a simple goto, the train will stop at B too, and that is an implicit order
09:37:25  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I got it
09:37:40  <Stablean> <Anson> and so that you can see what the train will do, the implicit order is listed in the order list
09:37:55  <Stablean> <Gashernite> the apparent implicit order that the train got wasn't in  it's path though :/
09:38:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Well the train could have taken another route due to rebuilding maby
09:38:36  <Stablean> <Gashernite> maybe, oh well
09:38:38  <Stablean> <Gashernite> it's gone now :P
09:38:49  <Stablean> <Anson> that's exactly why they show what the train thinks that it should do :-)
09:39:04  <Stablean> <r1kkie> ;P
09:39:07  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I changed it's orders
09:39:29  <Stablean> <Gashernite> found a much further sawmill to go to instead of a local one
09:39:55  <Stablean> <Anson> but except for SRNW or similar, it probably is always best to give explicit orders only, and there is even a setting in the options to always use non-stop orders by default
09:41:55  <Stablean> <Anson> if you don't use non-stop orders, trains might already unload at another station before doing a long trip, or they try to load/unload different cargo somewhere and thus cause those stations to get that cargo from a factory even though you don't want that
09:42:45  <Stablean> <Anson> and then you never get rid of that "wrong cargo" again without destroying the station and building a new one
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09:51:47  <Stablean> <Gashernite> there is a town called Obama O.o
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09:52:05  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> USA is everywhere :P
09:52:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Japanees city name, YEAH RIHGHT! :D
09:52:50  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> ű
09:52:52  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> x)
09:52:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> RIGHT*
09:53:10  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I cringe every time I need to terraform :(
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10:01:57  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Kaboom!
10:02:07  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah... oops
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10:07:29  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
10:07:33  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> hy
10:07:35  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
10:07:37  <Stablean> <r1kkie> To!
10:07:44  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi happy
10:08:02  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> its me RTM
10:08:17  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> \
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10:37:41  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> be back later
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11:02:03  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Kaboom!!
11:02:06  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> :D
11:02:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
11:03:00  <Stablean> <Gashernite> least it wasn't like a inter-city passenger train :P
11:06:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I think it is [RO] that is missing quite a bunch of signals on a long piece of rail
11:06:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so many signals O.o
11:06:59  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Nope, it is Slicey's company
11:08:17  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Crap, I misstyped my password. LOL
11:08:31  <Stablean> <Gashernite>  /facepalm
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11:23:23  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
11:23:27  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yo
11:23:33  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Greetings
11:24:32  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> heem sum how i can not  get in to my company
11:24:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> did you forget the password?
11:25:04  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nop
11:25:19  <Stablean> <Gashernite> not sure
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11:26:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> did  maraxus john my cumpany i did arsk he can  john
11:26:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I don't know
11:26:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok i will arsk  hem  when  he cums back
11:27:11  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It appears I cannot build any stations near places where goods are available or accepted?
11:27:26  <Stablean> <Gashernite> town rating probably...
11:27:36  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Most likly
11:27:38  <Stablean> <Gashernite> build lots of trees around the town, should let you then
11:27:52  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It does not mention anything about the local authorities.
11:27:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Does that work?
11:28:09  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah... did for me :P
11:28:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> ringgeest11:  where?
11:28:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Cool
11:28:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hold on, I think it might have fixed it regardless
11:28:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Oshu did not have any rating of me before but now they have so let's try
11:29:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Nope... still cannot build anything. LOcation is the Oshu Forest.
11:29:17  <Stablean> <Anson>
11:30:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Local town rating is Very Good. Error message says: Can't build railwaystation here...
11:30:26  <Stablean> <Gashernite> land flat?
11:30:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Completely flat, yes
11:30:46  <Stablean> <Anson> if you cannot build something, you should get a red message box somewhere .. what does it say ?
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11:31:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yes that is the forest
11:31:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> The error message says: Can't build Railwaystation here...
11:31:35  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I can build :/
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11:32:33  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Maybe the wrong kind of station that I used?
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11:32:45  <Stablean> <Gashernite> don't think it matters
11:33:07  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Try using the following station: City Stations
11:33:19  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> All the way on the bottom of the stations scroll list.
11:34:05  <Stablean> <Gashernite> probably needs to be in a city...
11:34:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Did that before, but gave the same error message
11:34:26  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> So I tried a forest instead
11:34:41  <Stablean> <Gashernite> weird
11:34:59  <Stablean> <Anson> all stations are the same ... only difference is the looks
11:35:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Strange it did work. At least I can build with the other stations so it is kind of fixed =)
11:35:49  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Are you trying to build the cranestation, it has a maximum leanght of 4 etc.
11:36:35  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> No, it were the City Stations. I tried building one near the city but that failed, so I tried a forest instead. I did not change stationtype meanwhile
11:37:11  <Stablean> <Gashernite> could be scritped to only be allowed after a certain year or in a certain population density?
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11:38:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Oh wait, I can select the station type but the actual station tiles were all greyed out
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11:38:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Maybe they will unlock in a later year then? Anyways... I was kinda blind. Sorry for he fuss
11:38:34  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I didn't even notice that :P
11:39:00  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe :P
11:45:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  Interessting to do these refiting trains.
11:48:36  <Stablean> <Gashernite> great, I have to build a 4-way junction on a slope...
11:48:42  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
11:48:50  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeeeeey, so much fun ;P
11:49:13  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Makes it a little more challanging
11:50:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> A little? Man I am trying to keep this track as even as possible without laying a massive amount of tunnels and bridges.
11:50:13  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :D
11:50:16  <Stablean> <Gashernite> don't even bother :P
11:50:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> And that ain't the easiest thing to do on a budget ;)
11:50:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Where are building?
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11:59:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well crap...
11:59:50  <Stablean> <Gashernite> ?
11:59:52  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I just finished the line, two seconds later that damn woodmill  closes
11:59:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> >.<
12:00:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
12:00:00  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> And the line is now useless ><
12:00:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> How much to found one yourself?
12:00:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Lemme see
12:00:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yikes... 850.000 punds
12:00:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> take out a loan?
12:00:54  <Stablean> <Anson> sawmill = 1.75 mil $
12:01:16  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Nothing that I can pay. Furthermore the Oshu Transfer does not want to be loading any wood onto the train?
12:01:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Thanks for the money, but I won't place a sawmill jst yet as long as that train s not even loading at all
12:02:03  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> np
12:02:38  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Thanks. I need to refit it slightly first though
12:02:48  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, that is an error that often happens to me too
12:03:19  <Stablean> <Anson> after selecting a filter in the buy menu and buying wagons, they still have the default cargo and need a refit
12:03:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah I just noticed. Hurr hurr. Thanks for the tip ^^
12:03:44  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Bottlenecks... Bottlenecks everywhere!!
12:03:59  <Stablean> <Anson> would be nice if the buy window would automatically refit wagons when you have a filter and buy them
12:04:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, I ust finded the new sawmill from the money I received =)  Thanks a lot! When possible I will repay you in the near future
12:04:41  <Stablean> <Anson> i now have the habit of starting all orders with a refit, so that they always have the right type
12:04:51  <Stablean> <Gashernite> not a bad idea
12:04:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats a good Idea
12:05:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Dayum its rainging bad here
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12:05:24  <Stablean> <Anson> that is also useful when you have refitting networks: the cloned trains might have a different cargo type than you expect or need for the new train
12:05:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Good idea indeed. Also I need to get used to some of the new trains and what all the signs around them mean.
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12:06:57  <Stablean> <Anson> if you do it like me, don't forget to add a jump order at the end, or the train will go to a depot every time
12:09:11  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate towns that rebuild their houses and thus move the area where goods are accepted :-(
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12:09:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I can imagine... What about buying the land surrounded it all?
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12:10:02  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Hi all
12:10:12  <Stablean> <Anson> on this server, towns never build roads themselves
12:10:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hi ^^
12:10:20  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
12:10:22  <Stablean> <Anson> no ned to imprison towns
12:10:24  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> hi
12:10:50  <Stablean> <Anson> but they can still grow and change houses ....
12:10:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hey RTM, you are aware that a portion of your railway is missing signals?
12:11:12  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> where
12:11:18  <Stablean> <[FR]Syl59> Problem with your pass happy ?
12:11:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I will place a sign
12:11:27  <Stablean> <Gashernite> wasn't that slicers rails?
12:11:41  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Look for Missing Signals Sign
12:12:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> No, I looked up the directories and it appeared to be RTM's trains after a quick look up
12:12:18  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> tats not my company
12:12:24  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> thats the Company 1
12:12:34  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yellow vs orange again :P
12:12:48  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> urgh im being stupid...
12:13:22  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> look at my name
12:13:28  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> and trains
12:13:39  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> i  only have 5
12:13:59  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> he have 65
12:14:01  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah. I got confused again. Sorry, it is my first time playing coop and I am fairly new tothe game...
12:14:20  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> orange and yellow ar confused
12:14:42  <Stablean> <Gashernite> well lets help them understand then? :P
12:14:45  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Does not make me feel less stupid about it though ;P
12:14:47  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> there is a ngf that change colors
12:14:54  <Stablean> <Anson> to not get confused by colors, you can doublecheck by using the info icon and looking who is the owner of a rail
12:15:16  <Stablean> <[RO] RTM> Anson the iscorrect advace
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12:16:56  <Stablean> <Anson> my station at Tsuruoka accepts goods again ... and thanks to conditional orders, it already cleared most of the stored cargo :-)
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12:17:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aaaand im back. Sorry, the wifi hotspot here isnt the best one in the world ^^
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12:31:26  <Stablean> <Liuk Sk> hi
12:31:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> hey
12:31:39  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
12:31:46  <Stablean> <Anson> why can't i find the brickwalker in the buy menu, while it shows up for autoreplace ?
12:32:05  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Magic?
12:32:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Is it greyed out in the replacement option?
12:32:54  <Stablean> <Anson> i am able to start the autoreplace
12:33:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> In that cse I have no idea... I dont think it is a  model that is out of date yet right?
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12:33:56  <Stablean> <Anson> 1961
12:34:18  <Stablean> <Gashernite> wasn't that the year of the "we're going to the moon" speech?
12:34:24  <Stablean> <Anson> LOL ... found it
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12:34:52  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I dont know what year that speech was... I am not that old to begin with. Not even close
12:35:14  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I was born 19 years after the moon landing...
12:35:16  <Stablean> <Anson> there should be a filter for "engines" ... if you use "none", all engines which can transport pax or cargo themselves are not shown
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12:36:04  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> The moonlanding was in 1969 right?
12:36:10  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah
12:36:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I was born 25 years after.
12:36:31  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I find it funny that everything good happened in 1969...
12:36:38  <Stablean> <Gashernite> because... 69!
12:36:41  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> lol
12:38:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> How can my local station rating drop even when there is no downtime between the trains?
12:38:42  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> As in, as soon as one train leaves fully loaded, an empty one rolls onto the platform
12:39:00  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I forget :/
12:41:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  are you there?
12:42:16  <Anson> yes... but a moment please. ... phone
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12:42:33  <Stablean> <Gashernite> my bad
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12:43:03  <Stablean> <r1kkie> My mines need to grow more! :/
12:43:33  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Tell me about it... Although in my case it is a forest
12:43:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Like in 15 years its moved from 40-56 :/
12:46:14  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'm not really sure that would count as stealing...
12:46:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> you're not using the goods side of the sawmill... so it's fair game?
12:46:51  <Stablean> <Anson>
12:47:09  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
12:47:09  <Stablean> <Anson>
12:47:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  Got a second?
12:48:22  <Stablean> <Anson> if you build a statue, that increases the station rating by 10%, but you never can get rid of the statue again if you don't want it any longer sometime later
12:49:20  <Stablean> <Anson> if you have a new station with new trains, that gives a bonus at first, but after trains are three years old, rating drops by 13%
12:49:47  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ah didn't know that little piece of info
12:51:06  <Stablean> <Anson> lots of interesting info in the wikis of openttd and openttdcoop
12:51:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I have read almost all of it. I think that little piece of info slipped past
12:52:07  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: in the last game, i had one forest that got from 40 to 80 in 50 years ... and another went from 60 to 950 in 15 years ... it is a lot of luck with the RNG
12:52:23  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I know. :D
12:52:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> RNG, sometimes not your friend
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12:54:48  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i can not  john  my  cumpeny
12:58:27  <V453000> you are welcome John
12:58:38  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks  v
12:59:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> No not yet.
12:59:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Don't quite have enough wood running towards it yet
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13:04:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Im back once more.  Did you say anything else Gasher?
13:04:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> nah
13:05:59  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> But no, I am not currently using the goods yet as I think it cannot provide a train properly yet. I don't know how effective road vehicles are currently?
13:07:51  <Stablean> <Gashernite> that was the most expensive station renovation I've ever done >.<
13:09:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What did you do?
13:10:24  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I move the Tokushima Power Station onto the other side of the power plant
13:11:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> anyone have suggestions for my junction near the Tokushima Power Station?
13:12:16  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Make a sign
13:12:30  <Stablean> <Gashernite> done
13:12:52  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> where does it need to go to?
13:12:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> 4 way junction?
13:13:36  <Stablean> <Gashernite> really only needs to go to the power station and north-south
13:13:50  <Stablean> <Gashernite> but there is a line merge too
13:14:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> So does it need to cross that line that is running and need to connect to the Powerplant station?
13:14:56  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yes, but also needs to hear to the left as well
13:15:15  <Stablean> <Gashernite> actually... doesn't5 need to go to power station
13:15:29  <Stablean> <Gashernite> problem solved :p
13:15:31  <Stablean> <Gashernite> thanks
13:17:45  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Got to go. Happy Building boys!
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13:21:16  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Welp, it is time to get those goods exported to another city! Let's see how this will end up
13:21:28  <Stablean> <Gashernite> goodluck
13:21:42  <Stablean> <Gashernite> From Tama?
13:21:45  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Thanks ^^
13:21:48  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah from Tama
13:21:59  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'll get out of your way if I can :D
13:22:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> The biggest issue will likely be space and whereto palce the station :P
13:22:24  <Stablean> <Gashernite> why not use the station already there?
13:22:46  <Stablean> <Gashernite> can extend by 2 platforms at least (little terraforming though)
13:23:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Tama does not really like me atm :P I will be expanding those stations already there
13:23:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> But I don
13:23:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> dont want the wood cargo trains to interfere with the crates of goods
13:23:31  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh wow... :P
13:24:02  <Stablean> <Gashernite> you could bridge over my line easily enough
13:24:16  <Stablean> <Gashernite> just need to modify your current line in a little
13:24:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> True.
13:24:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah I think I know something that might work
13:24:41  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Now to plant a ton of trees so Tama likes me again
13:24:47  <Stablean> <Gashernite> :P
13:25:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> They still hate me to the bone after all those trees D=
13:25:51  <Stablean> <Gashernite> now put trees in that spot
13:25:57  <Stablean> <Gashernite> (i don't play with trees on, they're annoying
13:26:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> yey hey like me again ^^ Thanks
13:26:10  <Stablean> <Gashernite> np :)
13:26:16  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Mine are just transparent.
13:26:26  <Stablean> <Gashernite> mine are invisible
13:29:40  <Stablean> <Gashernite> thanks for the terraforming too ey? :P
13:29:50  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> But ofcourse! ^^
13:30:04  <Stablean> <Gashernite> :P
13:31:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Now let me see. That current intersection here
13:31:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Any way I  could transform it into a T section ?
13:31:48  <Stablean> <Gashernite> just a sec, modifying an intersectiong
13:32:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah not problem
13:37:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh, lol >.<
13:38:17  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Whut?
13:38:52  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ah, nah ;) I think that one should do the trick just fine
13:39:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I will figure something out that will work over there as it simpl is traffic splitting and not coming together
13:40:05  <Stablean> <Gashernite> see what I'm doing?
13:40:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Not really?
13:40:42  <Stablean> <Gashernite> instead of having the line from the south go all the way around
13:40:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aaah like that
13:41:02  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah
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13:41:12  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
13:41:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well the reasoning behind that one was that I might need another station there
13:41:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> So I went around the long way as I can always make it a little more compact
13:41:32  <Stablean> <Gashernite> that's a lot of terraforming :P
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13:41:42  <Stablean> <Gashernite> hi
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13:42:38  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What I meant was that I need three lines converging on that one station block
13:43:28  <Stablean> <Gashernite> that will help a bit
13:43:42  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Probably yes, thanks =)
13:44:33  <Stablean> <Gashernite> (less bridges)
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13:49:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well that should work
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13:49:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, thank you map for making me love bridges and  tunnels so much
13:49:36  <Stablean> <Gashernite> haha, have yo seen most of my network?
13:50:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Not yet. I will as soon as I finish this little crates part
13:50:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It would be a shame to let all those goods go to waste, right? ;P
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13:50:44  <Stablean> <Gashernite> also, grats on getting a town that accepted goods
13:51:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Not that difficult? At least not as far as I know?
13:51:24  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I had trouble finding on where I could build a largish station
13:52:36  <Stablean> <Gashernite> 1969!!!!
13:52:50  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeeeeeey! Moon landings and all!
13:53:00  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah... moonlanding ;)
13:53:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Maybe we get a new train that is basically one big ass rocket?
13:53:24  <Stablean> <Gashernite> just imagine trains on the moon...
13:53:38  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Seems like fun
13:53:40  <Stablean> <Gashernite> go over a hill at 120kmh and achieve orbit O.o
13:53:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe that is less fun
13:54:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Actually...
13:54:10  <Stablean> <Gashernite> actually I've got no idea what the escape velocity is...
13:54:16  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It would not be THAT big of a challange
13:54:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> We use a principle of 'hooked' wheels on rollercoasters so they don't fly off right
13:54:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Same thing could be done with trains on the moon
13:54:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I know... but that's no fun :p
13:55:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe
13:55:44  <Stablean> <Gashernite> hmm... oil well doing 315k... not bad
14:00:27  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well, that is not too bad for some goods right?
14:01:09  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah, not too shabby :)
14:01:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> 270 goods per train and they cycle nicely.
14:01:59  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Are goods that are dropped off influenced by station rating?
14:02:17  <Stablean> <Gashernite> only if there are competing stations for the sme goods
14:02:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I see
14:02:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> say if I built a station next door and had better ratings... I'd get the goods
14:02:57  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> No no, I mean dropping off goods at a town
14:02:59  <Stablean> <Gashernite> which I could do without too much hassle :P
14:03:02  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh, no
14:04:57  <Stablean> <Gashernite> is inflation on?
14:05:04  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I dont think
14:05:07  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> its on
14:05:17  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It is off
14:05:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> You can check in the advanced settings
14:05:50  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> At least Ithink those show th server's side
14:05:56  <Stablean> <Anson> just look at the max loan ... it is constant
14:06:10  <Stablean> <Gashernite> sweet
14:08:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I am going to take a look at your network now
14:08:30  <Stablean> <Gashernite> okay
14:08:45  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I consider the current mini etwork good enough and to be tested
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14:11:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aaaand im back once more
14:12:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> The fudge?
14:12:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> A town lost about 300 inhabitants just like that
14:14:54  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Slicey, Y U NO ONLINE??!!
14:15:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> lol
14:17:50  <Stablean> <Gashernite> "Bridge too long!"
14:17:53  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh heck no...
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14:19:11  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What is the maximum length?
14:19:17  <Stablean> <Gashernite> 12
14:19:44  <Stablean> <Gashernite> and get this... a bridge with a length of 3... costs 2mil O.o
14:20:03  <Stablean> <Anson> train 12, bridge 8, tunnel 500, station 12
14:20:17  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh... 8
14:20:35  <Stablean> <Anson> sorry, train 64 ... but that would take a long time to load/unload
14:20:49  <Stablean> <Gashernite> >.<
14:20:55  <Stablean> <Gashernite> and wouldn't fit in a station?
14:20:57  <Stablean> <Anson> 8 + 2 bridgeheads = total length 10
14:21:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Why can a tunnel be tremendously larger than a bridge? 8 compared to 400?
14:21:33  <Stablean> <Anson> because it is just numbers in the configuration :-)
14:22:21  <Stablean> <Anson> and if you want a realistic backgrund: tunnels always have support by the mountains, but bridgesdon't and thus are more limited
14:22:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Fair enough, but gamplaywise why make that choice I mean? Not critisising anyone here. Simply trying to understand the thoughtprocess behind the decision ^^
14:22:42  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Aliens...
14:22:53  <Stablean> <Anson> no, aliens are off :-)
14:22:59  <Stablean> <Gashernite> /facepalm
14:23:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I'd call it a fair point ^^
14:23:28  <Stablean> <Gashernite> haha
14:23:47  <Stablean> <Anson> on a multiplayer game, the game also runs while people are AFK from one day to the next, and aliens who destroy rails wouldn't be nice to have around
14:24:07  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Bankrupt before you knw it
14:24:41  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, I hate this laptop keyboard... Back home it will be better *pads himself on back telling imself it will all 'be over soon'*
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14:33:40  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so I've got an oil line that runs almost the whole length of the map :D
14:34:26  <Stablean> <Anson> be glad that you have a keyboard ... playing ottd without keyboard is not easy
14:34:45  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I only use keyboard to chat... or close windows
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14:34:55  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> Ctrl?
14:35:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> O.o
14:35:15  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I only use delete
14:35:17  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> Im sure you use that almighty ctrl key
14:35:32  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh and ` to look at the chat log
14:35:38  <Stablean> <Gashernite> what does ctrl do?
14:35:40  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> well
14:35:43  <Stablean> <Anson> if you don't use CTRL, you miss half the posibilities
14:35:45  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> hard to tell
14:35:51  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> easier to link:P
14:35:57  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> google it
14:36:01  <Stablean> <Anson>
14:36:03  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> openttd wiki -ctrl
14:36:39  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh... wow
14:36:45  <Stablean> <Anson> almost every option you have, has an additional option with CTRL
14:37:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> All hail CTRL!
14:37:05  <Stablean> <Gashernite> lol
14:37:07  <Stablean> <Anson> build - with ctrl it deletes
14:37:17  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> copy train+ctrl <3
14:37:20  <Stablean> <Anson> clone, with ctrl you also share orders
14:37:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yup, that is a beauty to have
14:37:34  <Stablean> <Gashernite> you guys are just quoting the wiki now :P
14:37:48  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> We ARE the wiki ;D
14:37:55  <Stablean> <Gashernite> >.<
14:37:57  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> well, the other good idea is ctrl+build station
14:37:59  <Stablean> <Anson> no, it is just what comes to mind when i think what i do most often
14:38:21  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> @ringgest11 XD
14:38:41  <Stablean> <Anson> without CTRL, you are stuck almost at what TTD allowed when building stations
14:38:55  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> well
14:38:57  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I started in TTD :/
14:39:07  <Stablean> <Anson> and i started with TT :-)
14:39:13  <Stablean> <Gashernite> show off
14:39:31  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> CTRL is the differnce between TTD  and OTTD -mainly there are many things but these are not as much important as ctrl
14:39:33  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I started with OTTD... like 4-5 days go
14:39:48  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
14:39:54  <Stablean> <Anson> i even got mail (not email) from chris (or one of his employees)
14:40:00  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I started with TTd in 2005
14:40:10  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> wow :D
14:40:29  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'm impressed
14:40:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Sweet
14:40:46  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Is Owen Rudge still running things?
14:40:48  <Stablean> <Anson> i had found a bug in TT, and thus they sent me a letter with a floppy, which had a patch and also the editor which was not yet publicly available
14:40:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Th e onlything I got from a dev personally was.... well nothing as far as I can remember
14:41:13  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh... my little claim to fame...
14:41:35  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> Btw have you given it to any museums? :P
14:41:35  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I started the patch that allowed stations past the original limit :D
14:41:42  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> the letter/floppy? :D
14:42:29  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> lets see
14:43:13  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> only 154k for goods between the two opposite corners of the map? too bad
14:45:31  <Stablean> <Anson> but i have to admit that TT was almost not playable ... trains would always breakdown, and you couldn't even build double tracks since two trains always would start on both rails and deadlock with any third train on the same route
14:45:50  <Stablean> <Gashernite> ouch
14:45:52  <Stablean> <Anson> with no oneway signals, it was quite difficult
14:46:12  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I still remember TTD: 80 from everything
14:46:18  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> not moe
14:46:20  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> more*
14:46:40  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> And no building on slopes/copy train option
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14:47:10  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I remember when building on slopes came in... was heaven
14:47:10  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I have played it not a long time ago and I missed that two things from OTTD the most
14:47:29  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> 5×5 stations
14:47:37  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> only loading bays for RVs
14:47:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I think I will just stick to OTTD and not go with TTD in general...
14:47:45  <Stablean> <Anson> the only solution to the "oneway problem" was to build stations with a spiral around them, so that trains (mostly) would leave the station on one rail only, and then build a loop around te world so that they never came back on the same track
14:48:00  <Stablean> <Gashernite> >.<
14:48:35  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Chochooo! First express train is on its way
14:48:57  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I want to see more green , yellow ,blue and white rails :P
14:48:59  <Stablean> <Anson> TTD was a big iprovement, and then came TTDpatch which added those things which made it fun to play
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14:49:40  <Stablean> <V453000> pur
14:49:50  <Stablean> <Gashernite> to change my network, it will cost 22million
14:50:01  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Helllo kitty
14:50:20  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> The only thing I  dont like (but that makes the game challenging btw) is the fact that you cant build signals in tunnels/on bridges
14:50:35  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I dont mind too much
14:50:49  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah, you learn to deal with it
14:50:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Slight nuisance, but it does force players to be careful with their bridges
14:51:10  <Stablean> <V453000> it adds a very interesting element into the game
14:51:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Agreed
14:51:25  <Stablean> <V453000> if you could build signals on bridges, why would you build normal tracks then
14:51:39  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> it doesnt cost as much
14:51:45  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> as a bridge would
14:51:47  <Stablean> <V453000> cost is irrelevant
14:51:48  <Stablean> <Gashernite> in Locomotion you could do that (i think I rememeber that)
14:51:49  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> As in simply build a giganic bridge from one way tte other side?
14:51:55  <Stablean> <Anson> unmorrer: true ... that is annoying, but also makes a nice challenge
14:52:01  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> yea
14:52:05  <Stablean> <V453000> sure, or even better example with tunnels
14:52:15  <Stablean> <Anson> but it would be nice to build diagonal bridges or tunnels :-)
14:52:15  <Stablean> <V453000> if tunnel could have signals, it would be the most effective way to build
14:52:25  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
14:52:35  <Stablean> <Gashernite> would turn the world into swiss cheese :P
14:52:37  <Stablean> <V453000> diagonal things would be nice but those probably wont ever happen
14:52:37  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> it would be nice
14:52:43  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> True. If you could use tunnels in the same way you can lay normal traack... noone would bother with regular track
14:52:54  <Stablean> <Gashernite> we had diagonal road crossings at one stage
14:53:04  <Stablean> <V453000> not in openttd
14:53:08  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah we did...
14:53:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, Yachiyo, STOP SHRINKING! You have lost 600 inhabitants in the last year!
14:53:20  <Stablean> <V453000> perhaps in ttdpatch or some custom version
14:53:23  <Stablean> <V453000> but not in official openttd
14:53:34  <Stablean> <Gashernite> like pre 0.7 or something
14:53:46  <Stablean> <Gashernite> maybe even earlier
14:53:52  <Stablean> <V453000> definitel not in official trunk
14:54:11  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It would make highways with proper in and outlets look better
14:54:35  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I still don't know why we don't have them... doesn't really make sense
14:54:39  <Stablean> <V453000> perhaps, but equally boring in compare to trains :P trains have so much more things to think about (mostly curves, bridges, and signals)
14:55:03  <Stablean> <V453000> well I assume it would be quite a complication with pathfinding for road vehicles
14:55:33  <Stablean> <Gashernite> the roads still went straight O.o rails just went diagonal
14:55:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> The main thing with RV's?
14:55:55  <Stablean> <V453000> yes I saw something like that, probably in ttdpatch
14:56:05  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I dont see how they can make sustainable profit either
14:56:23  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I never really played TTDpatch
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15:01:28  <Stablean> <Anson> a subway would be nice ... simple extension to tunnels: tunnels still would go straight like they do now, but you can place a station on the ground, above a tunnel, and that would create kind of an "automatic station" at that spot in the tunnel below (but invisible)
15:01:48  <Stablean> <Anson> and by simple, i don't mean simple to program :-)
15:02:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yey Yachiyo is growing again! THat means that those supplies will be dropped soon...-isch
15:05:04  <Stablean> <Gashernite> could be all those roads I built :p
15:05:15  <Stablean> <Anson> when do we get the next chameleon ? the first was in 1961, and now we have 1974
15:05:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I just want that baby to grow. Big and strong... and a point to drop off my goods xD
15:05:59  <V453000> :)
15:06:00  <Stablean> <Gashernite> haha
15:07:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, Hooray for timetables!
15:09:55  <Stablean> <Anson> i can't see any years in that table ... looks like it has only 10 dpi :-(
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15:14:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so if I change all my tracks to purr tracks... what does that do? O.o
15:14:55  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Make em purr like a kitten?
15:15:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> O.o
15:15:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Sorry I honestly do not have a clue
15:17:04  <Stablean> <Gashernite> what colour should I use?
15:17:06  <Stablean> <Anson> purr are colored universal tracks
15:17:12  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'm thinking blue?
15:17:39  <Stablean> <Anson> trains from every rail type can use them, even though restrictions still apply concerning wagons and the required engines for them
15:17:41  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What is the purpose of universal tracks? Why not keep your monorail maglev etc seperated?
15:18:05  <TWerkhoven> train replacement between railtypes
15:18:10  <Stablean> <Gashernite> done...
15:18:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Wow those look different
15:18:30  <Stablean> <Gashernite> DO MUCH BLUE!!!!
15:18:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> purrritty funny
15:18:36  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so*
15:18:59  <Stablean> <Anson> originally, universal trains were invented to be able to replace trains without deleting all of them, creating new trains, and giving all orders again
15:19:17  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aah I see
15:19:39  <Stablean> <Anson> with the current universal rails, you even can drive with magle, mono, rail, and also wet, on the SAME track
15:19:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What exactly is wet?
15:20:41  <Stablean> <Anson> another rail type ... did you ever want to give orders to ships, and not have the problems with them doing badly at pathfinding ?
15:21:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> So a railtype that goes over water?
15:21:14  <Stablean> <Anson> try it ... i almost WET my pants when i first saw them ;:-)
15:21:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe, alright. Let's see
15:22:02  <Stablean> <Anson> not open sea, but more like canals
15:22:08  <Stablean> <Gashernite> it's like... massive barges and canals... but better
15:22:14  <Stablean> <Anson> and concerning game mechanics, they are real trains
15:22:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> So where do I build them on? Rivers or Canals?
15:22:54  <Stablean> <Anson> it is a RAIL type
15:23:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> on land... like tracks
15:23:07  <Stablean> <Anson> build on land
15:23:42  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aaah like that. Yea that makes more sense.... dunno why I did not bother trying that to begin with
15:23:48  <Stablean> <Anson> they are slow, but still 80 kph, and have nice big wagons
15:24:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I want new wagons... :/
15:25:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> bwaaaa... Buehe...
15:25:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> that is silly
15:26:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehehe those Wet Rails are funny
15:28:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so is switching over to monorail in the 70's viable?
15:29:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hmm you know, for something Chaos Style built without plans and in a reatively short time... I am pleased with what has appeared in front of me
15:30:05  <Stablean> <Anson> i am just testing the chameloan trains which drive on monorail tracks
15:30:35  <Stablean> <Anson> look at my goods trains at Tsukuba stations :-)
15:31:29  <Stablean> <Gashernite> speaking of which, we should have access to the 2nd monorail trail...
15:31:31  <Stablean> <Gashernite> train*
15:31:41  <Stablean> <Anson> low capacity, but no CL and 241 kph
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15:34:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Back again
15:36:44  <Stablean> <Anson> i think i might need a new station design for those trains now
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15:46:57  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Anyone know of another way to improve your standing with a local town?
15:47:03  <Stablean> <Gashernite> trees :)
15:47:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It is full of trees already
15:47:15  <Stablean> <Gashernite> delete them :p
15:47:35  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> But that will lower my rating more than it will go up
15:47:45  <Stablean> <Gashernite> nah, it doesn't
15:47:57  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> thanks, again
15:48:03  <Stablean> <Gashernite> np
15:49:41  <Stablean> <Anson> deleting trees costs more reputation than growing trees, but there is a cap for negative reputation, and thus you should kill all trees first to get to that cap, and then grow new trees
15:50:09  <Stablean> <Anson> if the option is enabled, you also can try to bribe the town, but that can go terribly wron a lot of times :-)
15:50:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It does not seem to want to improve anymore by planting trees. It is forever stuck at appaling
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15:56:55  <Stablean> <Gashernite> that's cool
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15:57:33  <Stablean> <Gashernite> well the math works
15:57:48  <Stablean> <Anson> @@(clcalc 241)
15:57:49  <Webster> Stablean: (clcalc <railtype> [<tilt>] <cl|km/h>) -- For a number <30 this calculates the speed for <cl> on <railtype>. For any other numbers, this calculates the CL required for <railtype> travelling at <km/h>, assuming TL is small enough. [<tilt>] will apply tilt bonuses to the calculation.
15:58:19  <Stablean> <Anson> @@(clcalc mono 241)
15:58:20  <Webster> Stablean: Required CL for monorail at 241km/h is 3 (5 half tiles) or TL
15:59:04  <Stablean> <Anson> those are the trains that i am using now ... but capacity is only 14 :-)
15:59:12  <Stablean> <Gashernite> ahh
15:59:58  <Stablean> <Anson> but it works ... all trains make profit, and they deliver 400+ goods each month
16:00:32  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe even 600+ ... but i need bigger stations, at least 7 platforms, since they take a while to load :-(
16:01:23  <Stablean> <Anson> 7 or 8 ticks to load 14 cargo :-(
16:01:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> ouch
16:01:59  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I want waypoints back :(
16:02:18  <Stablean> <Anson> why ?
16:02:28  <Stablean> <Anson> and what do you mean with "back" ?
16:02:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> so I can tell trains to only use certain platforms at stations
16:02:46  <Stablean> <Gashernite>
16:03:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> maybe it was from TTDpatch :/
16:03:07  <Stablean> <Anson> 8th icon in the rail menu is for waypoints
16:03:11  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I will be off for a while. Going for dinner
16:03:25  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh, lol
16:03:27  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Thank you smile for letting me use your company =)
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16:04:09  <Stablean> <Anson> but in general, WP are not needed if you have a good design for the station and the network
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16:05:23  <Stablean> <Anson> rather than using WP, separate stations for drop and pick, or for grain and meat, are better
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16:09:08  <Stablean> <Gashernite> using waypoints gives me flexibility to change how many platforms each type of train gets
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16:41:49  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hello
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16:52:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
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17:16:15  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
17:16:17  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> hi
17:19:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  muel
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17:25:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Is Anson Online?
17:28:57  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That should allow you to get those signals back
17:30:27  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Is that enough to finish the new station layout?
17:30:27  <Stablean> <Gashernite> do those little ones carry like 1 grain each?
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17:33:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> They carry 14 tons each, those little things
17:33:29  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I was joking :p
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17:34:43  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hello all!
17:34:55  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> heey hey
17:35:31  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
17:39:47  <Stablean> <Anson> ring, i am about to change all trains ...
17:40:05  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ah sorry
17:40:07  <Stablean> <Anson> but that isn't easy without stopping all trains
17:40:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah I can imagine
17:40:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Especially with this amount of em
17:41:26  <Stablean> <Anson> 71k$ for each train, plus at least twice the number of trains because of smaller wagons, plus all the rails
17:41:52  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yikes that is a lot...
17:41:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I will help you out a bit
17:42:08  <Stablean> <Anson> that happes when you don't build a gigantic border to border moneymaker line :-)
17:42:14  <Stablean> <Anson> thanks
17:42:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> No problem
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17:43:54  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: splitting a station in two halves, for TL1 and TL2 is almost automatic : the pathfinder always prefers platforms which match in length
17:44:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah but I mean the tracks. Because  there were a couple of times that the longer trais blocked small ones  when waiting for their platform to free up
17:45:55  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, but only temporary ... rebuilding rom 4 vertical 2TL platforms to 8+ horizontal
17:46:25  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well a temp solution is still a solution right?
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17:46:49  <Stablean> <Anson> one more train to replace
17:47:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I have by no means any experience with this game compared to most others, but on singleplayer I always make a temp if simply working on the ML is too much of a hassle due to traffic
17:48:27  <Stablean> <Anson> on singleplayer, i always pause the game to do big rebuilds :-)
17:48:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah, same :P
17:48:47  <Stablean> <r1kkie> The fuck
17:48:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ghehe I try to avoid using that
17:49:30  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I think that's a bit too many...
17:49:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Because pausing the game feels a bit like cheating when building to me
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17:58:44  <Stablean> <V453000> moo
17:58:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Moo
17:58:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> BaAaAaAaA....
17:58:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> hi
17:59:44  <Stablean> <Gashernite> WTB: unserviced Iron ore mine
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18:01:41  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i think the drop works now, with 5 terminus platforms and 3 roro :-)
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18:02:07  <Stablean> <Anson> option to convert all to roro when TF is possible later
18:02:07  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Sweet, I will have a look in a moment
18:02:21  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> ui can build 4 roRo now :)
18:02:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Firt I want to service this bank ^^
18:03:41  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> 10 RoRo :D
18:03:48  <Stablean> <Anson> lol ... thanks
18:03:51  <Stablean> <Gashernite> maybe do a bypass for the grey line?
18:03:53  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> mate
18:03:55  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> uhhmm
18:03:58  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> some trainms
18:04:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> got a bit of congestion going on
18:04:07  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> nvm you willsee I think
18:04:17  <Stablean> <V453000> omfg zebra rails :D
18:04:20  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Wtf Anson? :)
18:04:22  <Stablean> <Gashernite> ew... they're diesel...
18:08:33  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> The ways I am building right no are creative.... Not the most effective and clean, but they work for the amount of traffic served
18:08:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ...I think
18:08:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I kinda like these little guys... they're cute
18:09:28  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I agree :D
18:09:32  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> just like Rvs
18:09:47  <Stablean> <Gashernite> reminds me of an automated factory or something
18:10:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I really like this refiting thing.
18:11:27  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> wow
18:11:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> whats with the red though?
18:11:37  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> Highest production primary is here :P
18:12:40  <Stablean> <V453000> I love how different companies use different colour of tracks
18:12:45  <Stablean> <V453000> makes it very well visible who is what
18:12:51  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I love thse purr tracks :D
18:12:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> except when 1 company uses all the colours :p
18:13:04  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
18:13:19  <Stablean> <V453000> there will probably be a function to use 16 colours
18:13:25  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Woops tat was a big mess up...
18:13:39  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> not 15?
18:13:49  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> same as company colours
18:13:51  <Stablean> <V453000> there are 16 comany colours
18:13:53  <Stablean> <V453000> 15 companies
18:13:57  <Stablean> <V453000> so that you could always change your colour
18:14:13  <Stablean> <V453000> also 16 track types is for some reason maximum
18:14:23  <Stablean> <Gashernite> and it's always cream that is left out :P
18:14:33  <Stablean> <V453000> duh :)
18:14:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Pink is awesome
18:14:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It is super manly. Nothing can beat it
18:14:54  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> best company colour :P
18:14:56  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I prefer orange but... meh
18:14:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Except purple
18:16:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> question, does prospecting definitely get a new industry?
18:17:04  <Stablean> <Anson> prospecting should be almost(!) sure, but you never know where
18:17:14  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> depends on map size
18:17:41  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I could hardly ever get any new industries by prospecting on a 64×64 map :P
18:18:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Isnt 64x64 extremely small?
18:18:17  <Stablean> <Gashernite> nah... it's huge O.o
18:18:23  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> not for me..
18:18:25  <Stablean> <Anson> all indistries have some restrictions where they can be ... like height, snow, desert, near towns, far from towns, etc etc etc
18:19:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> okay... the next iron ore mine that pops up... it's mine!
18:19:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I might be nuts playing on a 1000x1000 map on singleplayer sometimes...
18:19:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Depends if its colse to mine. :P
18:19:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Let's just say I want variety
18:19:20  <Stablean> <Anson> i think that prospecting will try to find a place to build, but if there is no such place found during some reasonable time .... :-(
18:20:14  <Stablean> <Anson> if you like those long distance networks, you can play on 64 x 2048 :-)
18:20:20  <Stablean> <Gashernite> seriously?
18:20:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well yeah why not
18:20:37  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I have tried it many times :P
18:20:41  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I meant about the new mine...
18:20:43  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I never have played asymatrical maps yet. I really should
18:20:53  <Stablean> <Anson> i did it to test the vac train grf :-)
18:21:03  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> connect the 2 farthest cities
18:21:21  <Stablean> <Gashernite> they should make maps that go like 32x4k
18:21:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That would be kinda redundant I think :P
18:21:42  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> vactrain set is epic - 4000kph I cant see the trains
18:21:48  <Stablean> <Gashernite> not as redundant as 16x8k
18:21:52  <Stablean> <Anson> 16 x 8k ? 8 x 16k ? 4 x 32k ? 2 x 64k ?
18:22:06  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> 1×128k :P
18:22:08  <Stablean> <Gashernite> sure... why not?
18:22:11  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> and
18:22:17  <Stablean> <Gashernite> welcome to 1d land...
18:22:20  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> towns will be too close to the dge of map
18:22:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Anson good thing you said something... Almost forgot to check out your new stations ^^
18:22:42  <Stablean> <Gashernite> hey... I was born 2 months ago
18:22:56  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
18:22:58  <Stablean> <V453000> maps above 512x512 are quite pointless for 1 company
18:23:16  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I manage to cover them... after a millenia
18:23:18  <Stablean> <V453000> unless you intend to demolish your cpu :D
18:23:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe dont we all
18:23:52  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well my comp at home has a i3790K, so I think I should be able to handle quite a ginormous map
18:24:03  <Stablean> <Gashernite> nice...
18:24:21  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'm just running a 4th gen i5... it's nice :)
18:26:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It looks cute
18:26:43  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Like a lot of mini robots running around
18:26:57  <Stablean> <Gashernite> WALL-E!!!
18:27:16  <Stablean> <V453000> point is having 5000 trains on more than 512x512 isnt too hard
18:27:30  <Stablean> <V453000> soo what do you do when you get that :D
18:27:45  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> you....
18:27:59  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> you start incorperating other kinds of vehicles as well?
18:28:06  <Stablean> <V453000> what for
18:28:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well lets say you have multiple of these kinda 'factories'
18:28:47  <Stablean> <Anson> i recently tried ottd on my phone, and 256x256 with 20 trains worked well ... have to see bigger maps and more trains when i know how to simulate mouse and keyboard :-)
18:28:57  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> carrying passagers of valueables or mail to a couple of Intercont. Aiports
18:29:27  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> openttd is bad on phones with small display screens/touchscreens
18:29:30  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> best on tablets :)
18:29:48  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Like for those 4 corner maps?  4 main islands seperated by water
18:29:50  <Stablean> <V453000> call me oldschool, but fucking mouse+keyboard is unmatched :>
18:29:53  <Stablean> <Anson> my phone has a HD screen ... only the text is a bit small :-)
18:29:53  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah, gunna say... I woudln't want to play on my iPhone
18:30:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Every island supplies a different one and not a single complete transport route is allowed on your island?
18:30:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> PC all the way. Nothing can beat it with that epic mouse keyboard combo ;D
18:30:45  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> yees
18:30:47  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> xD
18:30:54  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> mouse+ctrl key XD
18:30:57  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> +delete
18:31:00  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> hahaha
18:31:02  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> unbeatable
18:31:16  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hotkeys, best invention in gaming history ever
18:31:26  <Stablean> <Anson> which two physical keys are most important ? CTRL and ... ?
18:31:33  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> delete for me
18:31:39  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> ctrl+del
18:31:42  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> oe
18:31:48  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> or u can try alt+f4
18:31:50  <Stablean> <Gashernite> or enter?
18:31:56  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> soo important xD
18:31:56  <Stablean> <r1kkie> win+e
18:32:00  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I dont use Delete as much, if anything it would be R due to the precise removal tool shortcut
18:32:22  <Stablean> <V453000> all of the hotkeys are quite useful
18:32:37  <Stablean> <V453000> not to mention that openttd has quite damn solid default hotkey layout
18:32:40  <Stablean> <Anson> what about A, to make tracks ?
18:32:43  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> true,
18:32:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> its quite a dilemma
18:33:12  <Stablean> <V453000> no its not a dilemma it is a clear thing to me :D
18:33:27  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ghehe
18:33:33  <Stablean> <V453000> :>
18:33:56  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't like the default hotkeys ... same functions should always be on the same keys, and not on 1 2 3 for roads, on 1 2 3 4 5 for rails, with road 3 = rail 5
18:34:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Im using "A" for Autorail
18:34:30  <Stablean> <Anson> if there are no diagonals for roads, just skip those hotkeys
18:34:32  <Stablean> <V453000> as simple as it could be, sorted as in the menu :)
18:34:51  <Stablean> <V453000> you only need 3 for roads anyway
18:35:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, for those interested in my extremely newbisch and sort of compact hub... I think it is done
18:35:25  <Stablean> <Anson> and what is the hotkey to select road, rail, erail, monorail, etc ?
18:35:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Read as: More trains and overloading it is no longer a question but a certainty
18:35:33  <Stablean> <V453000> ringgeest11: terrible, never try again
18:35:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I know it is terrible
18:35:46  <Stablean> <V453000> uhmmm ... now I should go look at it
18:35:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Make a sign ringgeest11
18:35:55  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It has a sign
18:36:01  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Poor man's Hub
18:36:01  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> poorman's hub/ring
18:36:04  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ah ok
18:36:14  <Stablean> <V453000> well yeah thats rather random :)
18:36:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It is yes...
18:36:25  <Stablean> <V453000> but if it suffices ...
18:36:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It is a chaos design, everything built when needed and sometimes a little... well, off
18:36:43  <Stablean> <V453000> add trains, they will show you what to improve :P
18:36:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ghehe I know what to improve... right about everything :P
18:37:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Prob the 90 degres coners
18:37:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yeah, though making good Cl's with these hills is tough
18:37:26  <Stablean> <V453000> corners dont need to be a problem, especially with some nuts trains which ignore slowdowns in curves
18:37:33  <Stablean> <Anson> what about separating drop and pickup ?
18:37:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Don't quite have the hang of that. Though for all the track I try to keep it as level as possible
18:37:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Tama won't allow more stations
18:38:04  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> so That is why there are only 3 :\
18:38:10  <Stablean> <Anson> that is only temporary
18:38:24  <Stablean> <r1kkie> With realistic (whater its called) hills arent that bad as long as ju add enought power.
18:38:38  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> can someone send me 20M eur? please :D reason:Ishinomaki banned my rails from the town because it made too much noise
18:38:44  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Like adding an extra train.
18:38:48  <Stablean> <Anson> unused stations decrease the rating, used stations increase the rating ... if you wait long enough
18:39:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> True
18:39:12  <Stablean> <V453000> OR you show the bitches who is boss and enable magic dozer
18:39:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> But the problem is more the cornering
18:39:19  <Stablean> <V453000> but guess that isnt the best option for stable games :D
18:39:26  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> XD
18:39:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> As in you can only go sofar building on slopes before you need  to change directions in order to climb
18:39:50  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I would instantly destroy my opponents' industries :P
18:39:57  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> How kind :P
18:40:01  <Stablean> <Gashernite> same >.<
18:40:03  <Stablean> <V453000> you will get used to the curves sooner or later, just focus on signals etc
18:40:09  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
18:40:11  <Stablean> <V453000> you can always use trains which ignore curves
18:40:13  <Stablean> <Gashernite> or just delete their stations?
18:40:35  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> stations? I would delete all the banks
18:40:42  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> There are trains that ignore curves...?
18:40:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes some do
18:40:54  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> and a lot of towns would disappear if magic dozer would be enabled here xD
18:41:00  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> HA! Joke's on you! I rarely transport valuables :P
18:41:02  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oh yeah...
18:41:05  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> in NUTS there are some
18:41:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I see. Sorry for the ignorance, today is my first day actually using NUTS train set...
18:41:59  <Stablean> <V453000> first day of the rest of your life
18:42:01  <Stablean> <Anson> look for the animal train later ... it needs maglev tracks and NEVER slows in curves
18:42:03  <Stablean> <V453000> everything changes now!
18:42:14  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
18:42:24  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah, I heard the 90's were good
18:42:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Maglavs always ignors curves right? Or is that only the standard trains?
18:42:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Today is a good day to start learning even more until my head burst in a gigantic fiery explosion of knowedge!
18:42:39  <Stablean> <V453000> you can read about usage of hte trains at
18:42:50  <Stablean> <Anson> in case you didn't yet read the nuts readme ... V is nuts :-)
18:42:51  <Stablean> <V453000> including curves, speeds, ...
18:43:05  <Stablean> <V453000> duh I iz normal
18:43:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I'll give it a look
18:43:15  <Stablean> <Anson> or rather v *IS* nuts :-)
18:43:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> He ain't nuts, he's special :P
18:44:03  <Stablean> <Gashernite> @UnMorrer, no Idea how you get such big jumps in operatin profit...
18:44:09  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> poor Ishinomaki :(
18:44:21  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> just look at ishinomaki :DDD
18:44:39  <Stablean> <Gashernite> what about it?
18:44:42  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> you will see Im sure
18:44:49  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> the new bridges
18:44:56  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> +terraforming
18:45:02  <Stablean> <Gashernite> ahh...
18:45:04  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> costed ~60M eur so far
18:45:07  <Stablean> <Gashernite> :O
18:45:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That is a lot...
18:45:21  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> and there will be still 30 M that will be needed
18:45:27  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> however
18:45:57  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> if I finish the towns' inhibitants will be happy- no more trains horn sounds! xD
18:45:59  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Those woods produce over 1100 tons a year o.O
18:46:01  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> ty
18:46:08  <Stablean> <Gashernite> np :)
18:46:22  <Stablean> <Gashernite> that was 1/3 of my companies value :P
18:46:28  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :PO
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18:46:50  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'd have laughed (or cired) if I put it in the wrong spot
18:46:56  <Stablean> <Gashernite> cried*
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18:47:31  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I have got the highest operaring profit? LOL
18:47:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> lol
18:47:53  <Stablean> <Gashernite> only because of that crazy forest!
18:47:59  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> mb goods
18:48:14  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> btw
18:48:20  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> man when I started
18:48:27  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> the forest's production was 150 tonnes
18:48:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> My first mine started at 63 tons now its at 50. :) In 56 years lol
18:48:51  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
18:48:51  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> Xd statues are OP
18:49:01  <Stablean> <r1kkie> And it has a statue
18:49:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well the first town I went to to supply with goods dropped from 1200 inhabitants to 600... in 3 years
18:49:15  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> xD
18:49:21  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> so unlucky...
18:49:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Then it got up again when I started passager transport
18:49:35  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Who cares as long as it still accept goods. :D
18:49:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That sounds like the reincarnation of bad luck
18:49:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I cared xD Because they didnt accept the damn goods anymore XD
18:50:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :D
18:50:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Like in your face bitch! :P
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18:50:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> We are moving out.
18:50:43  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also I have spent about 7 million on construction in the last couple of years... I think I should slow down a little to allow it to build up again and plan ahead a little more xd
18:51:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Money isnt an issue when you hace a decent railroad and a couple of trains.
18:51:33  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> true
18:51:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I've almost made back what I spen on that terraforming
18:51:49  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> yes you're right
18:51:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> In SP I use planes to give myself an nearly infinite amoujnt of money
18:52:02  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I dont use planes
18:52:08  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> cause i like challenges
18:52:14  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I had a few games where I earn almost 1bil a quater
18:52:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ghhehe....
18:52:22  <Stablean> <Anson> at Nishitōkyō, why does an eighth train wait at the pbs instead of using the last waiting bay ?
18:52:25  <Stablean> <Gashernite> (no inflation either)
18:52:35  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Planes just crash at random.
18:52:57  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah, they're stupid
18:52:59  <Stablean> <Anson> yoi can set plane crashes OFF
18:53:01  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I always played with inflation on, so at 2060 I would make 15mln a year
18:53:09  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Where is the fun in that? :)
18:53:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> with just a couple of airports and a tiny bit of feeding
18:53:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats cheating. :D
18:53:33  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> niiice
18:53:35  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> 1
18:53:39  <Stablean> <Gashernite> do it with ships...
18:53:41  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> was the bridges are done :)
18:53:43  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Feeding airports?
18:53:49  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't cheat with planes ... i honestly cheat 20 mil with the cheat :-)
18:53:49  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> way*
18:53:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> nice
18:53:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehehe
18:53:55  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
18:54:09  <Stablean> <Gashernite> finish the other lane...
18:54:20  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> on it
18:54:28  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> 5 M a bridge :D
18:54:49  <Stablean> <Gashernite> well I'd tell you to get over it... but you need a bridge :p
18:54:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> lol
18:54:58  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
18:55:20  <Stablean> <Anson> bridges are cheap ... what costs a lot is when you try putting them half on water tiles and thus clear the water
18:55:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yup
18:55:30  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah... it's crap
18:55:34  <Stablean> <Anson> usually a multiple of terraforming costs on this server
18:55:40  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I put both of their ends on the water :P
18:55:46  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I had a 3 tile bridge including heads... 2.5mil
18:55:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> wow
18:56:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Last map I build 6 bridges 2billon each lol. :P
18:56:08  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> and finally
18:56:14  <Stablean> <Gashernite> :O
18:56:16  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> it can handle the traffic :)
18:56:16  <Stablean> <Anson> you always can use SHIFT to check the price before you really build it
18:56:19  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I had to terraform a bit of land to get over someone else's line, cost me 2 million in total too...
18:56:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  does that include terraforming to?
18:58:06  <Stablean> <Anson> in general, shift prices are exact, but sometimes, the TF costs are for flattening only an edge instead of a square, etc ...
18:58:51  <Stablean> <Gashernite> seriously, this game hates me... puts my new iron mines at either end of the map...
18:59:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Haha xD
18:59:35  <Stablean> <Anson> did someone look at my Nishitōkyō stations ? and has an idea why trains stop at the PBS ?
19:01:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> They dont seemto stop
19:01:08  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> bridge opened finally lets celebrate!
19:01:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> They only seem to stop when the train on the top leaves and the other trains waits as it now wants to enter that one
19:01:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hooray! Well done!
19:01:34  <Stablean> <Gashernite> now bomb Ishinomaki for the fun of it :D
19:01:56  <Stablean> <Anson> there are 4 platforms, and each has a waiting bay ... 7 trains enter the station and bay, and the eighth doesn't go to the empty waiting bay, but stops at the pbs
19:02:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Can you plac e a sign?
19:02:58  <Stablean> <Anson>  !nishitokyo
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19:05:27  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Odd...
19:06:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Dont know. As far as I know it should be able to queue up there just fine
19:06:25  <Stablean> <Anson> just removed the entrance to the first, and the fourth is used ....
19:06:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Now that is a special case of odd
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19:08:02  <Stablean> <Anson> some penalty for three crossings on the path to the last waiting bay ? and that adds up too much so that trains prefer waiting for one of the first three instead of going to the fourth ?
19:08:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> that is an option
19:08:42  <Stablean> <Anson> where ? :-)
19:08:56  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't see it in the advanced options ...
19:09:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Oh no I meant it was an option as in it can be a cause
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19:10:04  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, anyone a clue  how profitable a cross-map Passenger express would be?
19:10:18  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> ringgest
19:10:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11>  Like really cross map, from one edge in the south-west to the north-east
19:10:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yes?
19:10:40  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> my train 100-110
19:10:46  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> all of them doing this
19:10:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> My suggesten is to lay down on profit and try to make a funny train network that works.
19:11:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Will have a look
19:11:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> And First I need some money and afterwards I can build funny things ;D
19:11:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also I consider my Poor Man's hub quite amusing in it being strangely effective for what traffic it has to handle ^^
19:11:45  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> Is that enough? :D
19:11:56  <Stablean> <r1kkie> lol
19:12:06  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> or
19:12:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That is indeed quite a bit of profit o.O
19:12:14  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I can send more if you wish...
19:12:28  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> i eearn twice of this a year
19:12:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> No! No it's fine
19:13:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I kinda wanna try to see whether I can build a little more advanced hubs myself
19:13:04  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ur makin about the same in 1 month that I do year. :P
19:13:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Since I usually just ues planes and trains to feed them ^^
19:13:37  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Esiest is jut long train routes.
19:13:49  <Stablean> <Gashernite> holy crap...
19:14:03  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> without any coal transported
19:14:05  <Stablean> <r1kkie> If youd like a one transfer station with feeder transfering to.
19:14:07  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> it is for amateurs :P
19:14:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> UnMorrer: Long routes?
19:14:43  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> yes I like them
19:14:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What is for amateurs? My Airport feeders?
19:15:00  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> lol
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19:15:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Because yeah, they are :P
19:15:08  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> nope, coal as a cargo
19:15:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha
19:15:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> aah
19:15:14  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> btw
19:15:16  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> guys
19:15:27  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> the new birdges stiéll cant handle the traffic O.O
19:15:54  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, just seen: a station with 3 1TL platforms and 4 2TL platforms : 3 1TL trains enter the short platforms and no waiting trains enter the others ... all because of penalties
19:16:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> How bout you brag about that elsewhere ;P Just kidding. Make it a double bridge in both directions?
19:16:23  <Stablean> <Anson> station is Tsuruoka PIGS
19:16:25  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
19:16:35  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> mb I will double the bridges
19:16:43  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> in peak hours its not enough
19:18:57  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> 350 k for a goods train-nice
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19:19:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> 480k for a steel train?
19:19:49  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> hmm not bad
19:20:07  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> as operating profit graph is not bad ,too
19:20:21  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> bridges done :P
19:20:23  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I'm 2nd at least
19:20:30  <Stablean> <Gashernite> ignore this quater :p
19:21:48  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ehm... I might need a bit more cash for terraforming a tiny bit of landscape
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19:23:31  <Stablean> <Anson> V always says that money is not important ... this game i didn't make a long moneymaker and only survived my experiments with the help of some sponsors ... thanks again
19:23:45  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> np
19:24:00  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> I have 40M eur..again :P
19:24:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> haha, I might need a sponsor to construct this express line
19:24:20  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: how many tiles of track do you need per train ? (ignoring depots)
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19:25:04  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> use dark green trains
19:25:10  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Thanks ^^
19:25:12  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> and then it will be allright :PPP
19:25:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Why those trains? :P
19:25:30  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> cause I am your sponsor
19:25:36  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> problem? :D
19:25:50  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> haha, fair enough
19:26:10  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Refitting them withthose  colours you mean? Just remind me of doing that ^^
19:26:17  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> yes
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19:28:01  <Stablean> <slicey> so i wake up and i cant join my company -.-
19:28:04  <Stablean> <Gashernite> hey slicey
19:28:10  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> hy man
19:28:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hey
19:28:18  <Stablean> <slicey> hiya
19:29:38  <Stablean> <slicey> well thats great cant join my comapny
19:29:44  <Stablean> <slicey> ....
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19:33:25  <Stablean> <slicey> well i gtg if not ill be on next wap :P
19:33:27  <Stablean> <slicey> map
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19:34:14  <Stablean> <slicey> nice :P
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19:46:17  <Stablean> <Anson> i think my network is at max capacity now ... one train for every 17 rails (including crossings etc where you have up to 6 rails per tile)
19:46:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Time to build more rails then to have more trains. :D
19:47:07  <Stablean> <Gashernite> you're nuts!
19:47:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Capitalism Ho!
19:47:35  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Now you should do that on a network cross map. :D
19:47:45  <Stablean> <Gashernite> >.<
19:47:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> Can anyone say LAG?
19:47:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Im workng on that! Well an express line not really a network
19:48:14  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> Im working on epic WETrails xD
19:48:24  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> tunnel+ship looks weird xD
19:48:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ops. :D
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19:50:25  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Tuuubes! Tubular bridges! Right on time
19:50:27  <Stablean> <Gashernite> oops :p
19:51:41  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> :D
19:52:27  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> ships on purr rails? :D
19:53:11  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aaaand im out of money... I cant even lay a decent amount of tracks anymore
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19:54:14  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> aand
19:54:17  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> gone
19:54:26  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> ship(train) 131 :DD
19:54:36  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> 990 tonnes of iron ore :D
19:54:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Nice
19:54:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Give me.
19:55:05  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> And here I am drowning in debt
19:55:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> My first iron ore is at 54 with 50 years woring. :D
19:55:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> This cross country is going to take a LOT of time
19:55:22  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> xD
19:55:33  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> and now
19:55:39  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> horught the valley
19:55:46  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> through
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19:57:06  <Stablean> <UnMorrer> cya good night
19:57:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Good night
19:57:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Night!
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20:00:47  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> To whoever thought of bridge levels being on the same level
20:00:53  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Damn you... Damn
20:01:19  <Stablean> <Anson> just be glad that they can be plus or minus one level
20:01:31  <Stablean> <Anson> and that they can be higher than 1 level above ground
20:02:06  <Stablean> <Anson> the original TT had those stricter restrictions
20:02:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aaaand im glad :P
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20:05:01  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Weeeeell carps...
20:05:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Project cost untill now: well over 50 million
20:05:25  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Still have about 5/6 of the route to go....
20:05:39  <Stablean> <Gashernite> where is it?
20:06:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Made a sign called: Current position
20:06:52  <Stablean> <Gashernite> good luck :P
20:07:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Thanks
20:07:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I dont think it is physically possible to finish it today xD
20:07:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Not even close to possible without the money
20:07:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Also, no signals yet, no balancers, no nothing
20:08:14  <Stablean> <Gashernite> you're smile transport?
20:08:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yup
20:08:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It is the only Open one without a password
20:08:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> So I joined here
20:08:47  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> THanks! That should help me on my way
20:09:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> You sure you dont need all of that?
20:09:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I make16mil a year :P
20:09:55  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Even then it is about 4 years :P
20:09:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That is a lot
20:10:32  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I have a few trains who pull almost 500k :D
20:10:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Nice
20:10:58  <Stablean> <Gashernite> but... I must away
20:11:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aww, too bad
20:11:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well, it has been fun meeting you today!
20:11:43  <Stablean> <Gashernite> yeah, I'll be back on in about... 5-6 hours
20:11:57  <Stablean> <Gashernite> hopefully it's still the same map
20:12:03  <Stablean> <r1kkie> It will.
20:12:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> How often does it change?
20:12:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Last map ended in 2175 or something
20:12:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Takes about 3 days give or take
20:12:37  <Stablean> <Gashernite> look at the company value graph :P
20:12:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> haha, wow
20:12:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nice dip. :D
20:13:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well, thanks for the help
20:13:16  <Stablean> <Gashernite> I want to see white give away all their money :P
20:13:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> And see you next time =D
20:13:20  <Stablean> <Gashernite> no worries
20:13:22  <Stablean> <Gashernite> will do
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20:14:21  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nice just build a train to a forest with 0 tones of wood production. ô_Ô
20:14:55  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ghehe
20:15:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That is almost as bad as me finishing the first linetoday and the dropoff station being closed 2 seconds after
20:15:21  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yep
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20:25:07  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What does "Vehicel has tilt" mean?
20:25:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It gets a 20% speed boost in turns
20:25:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ah ty
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20:39:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> A clowny face? :P
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20:39:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nah guy with a partyhat. :D
20:40:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Wohoo parteh!
20:40:16  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I knew i was going to start a challenge for myself
20:40:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> BUt this is more than I expected xD
20:40:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Do you really need 4 way track?
20:41:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Plan ahead? =D
20:41:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I want goods and stuff to be delivered to those towns too
20:41:20  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ok
20:42:07  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I want to do as little as possible terraforming
20:42:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Why? :D
20:42:25  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Mostly money issues and partially because it is very difficult that way to go cross country =D
20:42:32  <Stablean> <Diablo> pink, y not built outer track first to save $$$$
20:42:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> The lake, the other tracks, the cities
20:42:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Because when i did that I ended up having very seperated tracks further down the line
20:42:58  <Stablean> <Anson> i do the same :-)
20:43:12  <Stablean> <Anson> and i am almost done with my track :-)
20:43:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nah not this time, experimented some this time. More fun. Cash aint everything. :D
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20:43:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Look for the signs: 'Here' & 'And here'
20:43:48  <Stablean> <Anson> only building a single track ... started with 400k$ and now am at 50k$
20:44:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I have had 80 mln in total thrown to me... 50 is spent
20:46:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That's a first on this route
20:46:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> One of my own stracks is in my way xD
20:48:06  <Stablean> <Diablo> trains almost there
20:54:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hooray for freestyle I guess :P
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20:55:43  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What do you think of my little amateurisch handywork Devil? :P
20:55:49  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It works. Barely, but it works
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20:56:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> LOL
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20:57:28  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What is it Meech?
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20:57:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> awesomeness
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21:00:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> cameron, you can update to 540000 F train
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21:01:15  <Stablean> <V453000> moo
21:01:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yoooooooooo
21:01:21  <Stablean> <V453000> no.
21:01:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Moo
21:01:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yes
21:01:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> PURRRRRRRRRRRR
21:01:47  <Stablean> <V453000> asdf
21:02:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hey V, my monstrosity is growig
21:02:13  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> And it is growing fast!
21:02:35  <Stablean> <V453000> :)
21:03:27  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I am happy to say I have passed the halfway point. I am also happy to announce that thus far I have only 1 Evil Turn in the entire construction
21:04:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well not really 1 Evil turn... It is more 1 Evil Cluster...
21:06:01  <Stablean> <r1kkie> No my forest is gone! :(
21:06:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Explain 'Gone' ...
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21:06:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Someone destroyed it and it is no more. :(
21:07:33  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Forest as in trees or as an industry?
21:07:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Industry haha :D
21:07:48  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> That is less fun :P
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21:08:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Oh well nothing I can do.
21:08:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Can't you fund another one there?
21:08:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> No, raw materials industries can you only prospect and it will appear anywhere on the map. :(
21:09:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> D=
21:09:16  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Othervise you could build massive stations with 20 raw materials next to it. =)
21:09:38  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Not if there is the one per town limit per resource
21:10:01  <Stablean> <r1kkie> True.
21:10:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Then we make some new town next to it. :D
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21:13:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Keeping the express lane more or less level is quite interesting to do really
21:13:26  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Even though realistic acceleration is turned on, it still is fun to do it this way
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21:13:43  <Stablean> <Liuk Sk> hi
21:13:53  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hi
21:13:55  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
21:14:05  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yay maglav trains. :P
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21:15:39  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hooray for maglev!
21:16:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Gonna get something to eat. Cya later
21:16:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Cya
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21:37:39  <Stablean> <Anson> my route is done ... as doubletrack
21:37:53  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Nice
21:38:00  <Stablean> <Anson> now i need only to wait a bit until i can buy a ship :-)
21:38:06  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Can you provide a sign as where exactly?
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21:38:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ships are extremely expensive in maintenance though on this map
21:38:32  <Stablean> <Anson> scroll the map to the bottonm and then to the top, to find both endpoints
21:38:34  <Stablean> <Cameron> \not those ships
21:38:46  <Stablean> <Anson> not ship, but SHI*
21:39:04  <Stablean> <Anson> it is a wet track
21:39:42  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Aaah I see
21:39:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Sweet
21:39:58  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Those bridges look funny :P
21:40:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Any trains running on the wet track yet?
21:41:11  <Stablean> <Anson> need to wait ... i spent all my money for the track
21:41:23  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe I know that feeling
21:41:26  <Stablean> <Cameron> you want money?
21:41:32  <Stablean> <Anson> have enough now for an engine ... waiting for the wagons
21:41:38  <Stablean> <Cameron> lol
21:42:17  <Stablean> <Anson> giving orders now
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21:44:20  <Stablean> <Anson> the train is loading ....
21:44:59  <Stablean> <Anson> already 5900 / 1296 pax loaded
21:45:15  <Stablean> <Anson> 500, not 5900
21:45:50  <Stablean> <Anson> and prepare for a big celebration when it arrives in 2 or 3 years :-)
21:45:57  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> hahaha XD
21:46:07  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Will the cargo be worth anything by that time?
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21:47:03  <Stablean> <Anson> train for the opposite direction starts loading now
21:47:18  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, but no idea how much
21:47:50  <Stablean> <Anson> there should be a big penalty for late delivery, but there is also a cap on the penalty
21:48:36  <Stablean> <Anson> first train is almost done loading ... 99% on train 99 :-)
21:48:42  <Stablean> <Anson> GO !
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21:49:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It's.... It's done
21:49:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It is actually done
21:49:25  <Stablean> <Anson> just for statistics : departure in march 2004, with 1296 pax
21:49:35  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well just the rail, there is no signals or whatever yet
21:49:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> But it is done!
21:49:51  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Nice, that is a load of people
21:50:06  <Stablean> <Anson> let's se whether your train arrives before mine :-)
21:50:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I dont even have signals or trains yet XD
21:53:42  <Stablean> <Anson> my trains does only 80 kph ... you still have some time :-)
21:53:49  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe
21:53:59  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well Pax wise you have triple the amount
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21:54:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> My speed however is 475 orso km/h
21:54:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> For the cargo that is going on it, I might choose those Wet Trains and have them go on the outer line
21:54:36  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> With the express on the inner line
21:54:47  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Might need minor remodeling, but it should be possible
21:54:58  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Everything is possible :D
21:55:09  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Yay science!
21:55:47  <Stablean> <Anson> the second train has loaded now ... GO !
21:56:01  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> My first is 75% loaded
21:56:07  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> c'mon let's do this baby
21:56:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> With just a minor amount of evil turns this should be good I think
21:56:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> And we are off!!
21:56:57  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Comeon! My station has a 100% rating. GROW! :D
21:57:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> lol
21:57:34  <Stablean> <Anson> my train finished the first third ... the eastern edge of the map
21:57:52  <Stablean> <Anson> now a bit less than the other two thirds along the north edge
21:57:54  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> My train is almost halfway
21:58:44  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> 2/3 there more or less
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21:59:49  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> almost there! =D
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22:00:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I do have to say this is probably one of the stupidest attempt I have ever made in a game in general
22:00:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> aaaaaand
22:00:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Arrival!!
22:00:39  <Stablean> <Anson> how much did you get for the cargo ?
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22:00:50  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> 138k for 400 pax?
22:01:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> 550 pax actually
22:01:08  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> even then, not too bad right?
22:01:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Considering the towns are minimal and all
22:01:24  <Stablean> <Anson> price of one of my trains
22:01:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> THe ratings bad because of the waiting....
22:01:41  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> haha I am not sre how much this one costs
22:02:12  <Stablean> <Anson> my shi* cost almost 130k
22:02:22  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> It's pretty cheap. Like 80k?
22:02:48  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> But this is just a monorail and not a Maglev... So later on in the year those will be added instead of this thing
22:03:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> over the night it is supposed to earn back a good part of the money
22:03:08  <Stablean> <r1kkie> remeber that monorail can carry more then maglav :)
22:03:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Then the second construcion part begins...
22:03:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Hmm
22:03:34  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Whatever will have the highest pax/speed ratio
22:04:08  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I would go with monorail and FAST type train. How long trains do you use?
22:04:19  <Stablean> <Anson> my ships drive on monorails, but they have their own engines and wagons ... 108 pax per wagon, thus 1296 per train
22:04:21  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What about your ships? Have they arrived yet?
22:04:31  <Stablean> <Anson> TL7
22:04:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Cameron:
22:04:56  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe 200 more tiles yet ...
22:05:14  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> If you use say, a maglev engine
22:05:24  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> there is no way to fit monorail carts on that right?
22:05:31  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Because that would be heaven
22:05:34  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nope
22:05:37  <Stablean> <Anson> right ... or it is a bug
22:05:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> How long is the trains?
22:06:05  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> 7
22:06:19  <Stablean> <Anson> TL7 ... 1 engine and 12 wagons
22:07:03  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Your vessel is stuck! D=
22:07:17  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> horray you fixed it!
22:07:20  <Stablean> <Anson> a backwards signal
22:07:26  <Stablean> <r1kkie> ringgeest11:  I would use either 1 dogstar or 2 Tesla trains.
22:07:37  <Stablean> <Cameron> 530k, nice
22:07:40  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> What are the years they become available?
22:07:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> You have them now. :D
22:07:56  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ooooh sweet
22:08:12  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats why I suggested them. :D
22:08:18  <Stablean> <Anson> 163828 $
22:08:18  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> ghehe.... hehehe...
22:08:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Do you have 8 tile stations?
22:08:43  <Stablean> <Anson> and arrival time is august 2005
22:08:45  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Me? No 7
22:08:47  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ok.
22:08:53  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I might  be able to upgrade to 8
22:08:55  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> why?
22:09:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> The FAST clas train like the Tesla gets benefits for longer trains.
22:09:37  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Now that is a sexy boon
22:09:43  <Stablean> <Anson> almost 18 months :-)
22:10:02  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> My travel time is like, 3 months?
22:10:12  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> 3 to 4 months
22:10:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Last map i used 3 FAST engines on each train 12 tile long. :P
22:10:25  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Not all bridges are upgraded yet so they are slowing down
22:10:47  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Ghehe, bet those trains went like a shooting star?
22:11:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> 340km/h no slowdowns in slopes, just the turns.
22:11:20  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Wow, neat
22:11:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Longer trains makes it harder to build the turns. :(
22:11:47  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> True
22:11:50  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Very true
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22:12:07  <Stablean> <r1kkie> But it is fun with long trains. :D
22:13:13  <Stablean> <Cameron> 617k now
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22:30:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I dont know what to do. :)
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22:30:46  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Well... You can join this company temporarily and help me lay down the signals? :P
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22:31:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> You know you can use ctrl right?
22:31:30  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> How do you mean?
22:31:44  <Stablean> <Anson> like always ... the wonder of CTRL :-)
22:32:04  <Stablean> <r1kkie> By holding down ctrl and drag 2 tiles it makes signals until the first junction
22:32:15  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> aaaah sweet
22:32:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> First make the signal you want
22:32:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> then press down ctrl and drag from that signal in the directiion you want.
22:33:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> The magic ctrl. :D
22:33:16  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I did not know that trick
22:33:26  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> THanks! That will save me hours of work
22:33:36  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Your going to save a LOT of time. :D
22:33:55  <Stablean> <r1kkie> 50 hours of work in 2 sec. ;)
22:34:29  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> I said it before and I will gain
22:34:32  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> All hail CTRL!
22:34:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yup
22:34:45  <Stablean> <Anson> only danger of that method : when you build a long track at the start, signals may add up to a lot
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22:53:10  <Stablean> <ringgeest11> Could someone remove the trees around Joetsu so I can plant them and hopefully gain a little bit of their trust?
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23:11:27  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  Are you there?
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23:16:20  <Stablean> <Anson> installed a few buses to grow the two cities
23:16:34  <Stablean> <Anson> waiting for 1300+ pax takes too long :-(
23:16:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson:  i need your help. :)
23:17:35  <Stablean> <Anson> my trains seem to go well now ... what's your problem ?
23:18:10  <Stablean> <r1kkie> my trains seems to behave rather strange at my refit station. Wondering if it is correctly builed
23:18:20  <Stablean> <r1kkie> check sign Refit Station correct?
23:19:18  <Stablean> <Anson> i built my station for animal trains ... those trains ignore CL and never slow down
23:19:45  <Stablean> <Anson> when you use different trains, you should avoid the curves at the entrance/exit to the station
23:20:27  <Stablean> <Anson> the station itself looks ok ... now checking orders
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23:22:23  <Stablean> <Anson> the orders are not correct, but nothing terrible ...
23:22:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :(
23:22:55  <Stablean> <Anson> look at what orders 6 7 8 are testing and whether the checks will get to 8 at all
23:23:11  <Stablean> <Anson> if less than 50, it jumps
23:23:38  <Stablean> <Anson> the next test for >=50 is not needed since it gets to that klie only when order 6 fails
23:23:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats ok right?
23:24:07  <Stablean> <Anson> and when you jump on >=50, order 8 will never be reached
23:24:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> So it is not needed.  Right?
23:24:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Same for 17.
23:25:12  <Stablean> <Anson> since load is >=50 when you get to order 11, it is like a "jump allways"
23:25:34  <Stablean> <Anson> and since it jumps allways, order 8 is never done
23:26:33  <Stablean> <r1kkie> i think I got it. :)
23:26:40  <Stablean> <Anson> delete 8
23:27:32  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Think Im getting tierd. Twice I pusched del on keyboard when wanting to delet the order and exited the windows. LOL
23:27:39  <Stablean> <Anson> and insert the test for =100 before 6
23:28:14  <Stablean> <Anson> a test for 100 is not really needed, but i wanted to skip the attempt at full loading since it is already full
23:28:40  <Stablean> <Anson> pin down the window
23:28:48  <Stablean> <Anson> with the pin icon at the top right
23:28:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
23:29:01  <Stablean> <Anson> then you can use del to close all other windows
23:29:13  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Aha I see, didnt know that. :P
23:29:28  <Stablean> <Anson> and i think it is ctrl-del (hehe, ctrl again) to close also the pinned windows
23:29:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
23:29:40  <Stablean> <Anson> the magic of ctrl :-)
23:29:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Nope didnt do the trick. :P
23:29:52  <Stablean> <r1kkie> For once. :D
23:31:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> First time I tried to set up these kinds of order took me forever!
23:32:10  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, then you might try the other loop first which i had built ... the wood loop
23:32:46  <Stablean> <Anson> that was built wizhout those many conditionals and just used partial loads to simply reuse the wood trains, but not optimized them
23:33:04  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
23:33:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> This is more fun. :D
23:34:58  <Stablean> <Anson> just do a sequence of refit iron / pick iron / drop iron / refit steel / pick steel / drop steel / refit goods /pick goods / drop goods / repeat
23:35:33  <Stablean> <Anson> that is the basic sequence anyway, and then you can add checks later
23:35:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Your right. :)
23:36:10  <Stablean> <Anson> that's also how i write the orders ... first all goto, then add the jumps
23:36:56  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I must say, this is alot more fun then making the traditional 1 way cargo lines. :)
23:37:42  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Saw some pic at openttd where theyed made huge refit station. Looked kind of cool, would love to see it in action. :)
23:38:16  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: a test for load>=100 looks a bit strange, but i prefer it that way, just in case there is a rounding error and the result internally is 100.000001 % :-)
23:38:38  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha yeah, better safe then sorry. :D
23:39:48  <Stablean> <Anson> delete order 7
23:40:19  <Stablean> <Anson> it is the same test you do in line 8
23:41:01  <Stablean> <Anson> what you want to do :
23:41:19  <Stablean> <Anson> if load=100 then goto next station
23:41:54  <Stablean> <Anson> if load>50 then full load and goto next station
23:42:25  <Stablean> <Anson> and now the else part : unkload and restart
23:43:12  <Stablean> <Anson> line 8 must be replaced by the correct jump address ... either to 10 or directly to 1
23:43:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> If Im not misstaken, previous map I looked at your order, you hade something like: Go to WP
23:43:40  <Stablean> <Anson> that is also an extra, checking only whether it is already 0 and unloading can be skipped
23:44:11  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... the WP is a method to direct trans to a specific depot
23:44:37  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Wait a miniut, is my order 8 wrong?
23:44:39  <Stablean> <Anson> that would have been the next thing to check on your station : where do trains go to refit ?
23:44:57  <Stablean> <Anson> wrong, but harmless :-)
23:45:28  <Stablean> <Anson> order 8 can evaluate to true or false, and in any case it continues with the next order :-)
23:45:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha  I see.
23:45:57  <Stablean> <Anson> the test for load=0 should skip the unload order, thus goto 10 and not 9
23:46:48  <Stablean> <Anson> but if you don't do the test, it still works ... it only might move the train a few pixels and then stop again to try unloading, and immediately continue
23:47:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I see
23:47:53  <Stablean> <Anson> load and unload orders always will stop the train and flash the loading indicator for a moment, even when it tries to load at 100% or unload at 0%
23:48:43  <Stablean> <Anson> that's why i added those checks ... but to make the whole a little simpler, you can leave them until you are more comfortable
23:48:55  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
23:49:34  <Stablean> <Anson> another point to watch : the 50 is no fixed number ... it depends on the factory, the rating and your trains
23:49:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Okey?.?.
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23:50:18  <Stablean> <Anson> if the value is too low, it might happen that several trains are waiting for a full load, and thus block new trains from entering and delivering the iron
23:51:52  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... the block from order 3 to 12 is ok
23:52:15  <Stablean> <Anson> for the next refitting station, 12 to 20 should be similar
23:52:39  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes, fixed them. Was the same "misstakes" as above.
23:53:25  <Stablean> <Anson> looks ok now
23:53:33  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thanks man!
23:54:07  <Stablean> <r1kkie> One more thing, how do you put out this WP orders?
23:54:17  <Stablean> <Anson> the construction with alternating platforms saves space in length, but adds space in width
23:54:52  <Stablean> <Anson> when a map has only station spread 8, you can put max 4 platforms on such a station
23:55:02  <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving)
23:55:06  <Stablean> <Anson> put out ???
23:55:45  <Stablean> <Anson> for orders, WP is almost the same as stations ... use goto, and a WP will be added as "go via"
23:55:45  <Stablean> <r1kkie> The orders on witch depot the trains should go to to refit.
23:57:17  <Stablean> <Anson> when you only use "go to nearest depot", it might be an unwanted depot
23:57:35  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yeah, I have expierienced that. :D
23:57:58  <Stablean> <Anson> and when you use "go to depot xxx", you would have to edit all trains (or at least all groups of trains) for the new depot
23:58:17  <Stablean> <Anson> but moving a WP by a few tiles is as easy as moving a station :-)
23:59:52  <Stablean> <Anson> lets move to the depots ...

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