Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 2nd September 2013:
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00:03:54  <Stablean> <N> two stations for livestock and wheat or just one?
00:04:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> im no expert, but would probably make 2
00:05:14  <BiG_MeEcH> yo
00:05:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> since grain and livestock production fluctuates individually im my experience, so it's easier to balance the trains
00:05:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yo meech
00:05:35  <Stablean> <N> yeah I think 2 makes sense
00:05:37  <BiG_MeEcH> Best to have 2 stations, one for grain and one for livestock
00:05:47  <Stablean> <N> gotcha
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00:06:59  <Stablean> <thaddeus> Best of luck, all
00:07:06  <Stablean> <Djanxy> cheers
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00:11:18  <Stablean> <N> no money :(
00:11:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> do you see how they need to be the same length? :)
00:11:27  <Stablean> <N> yeah
00:11:29  <Stablean> <N> I see that
00:11:39  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you cna take out anothe3 100K right now N
00:12:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> some of your other stations arent synched but yu  can get to those later
00:12:29  <Stablean> <N> yeah
00:12:37  <Stablean> <N> and I have some nasty curve length 1 too
00:12:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you'll fix it with more money :)
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00:13:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> might make a new comp in a little bit
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00:30:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> LMAO
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00:30:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Admin please turn infation off!
00:31:16  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ?
00:31:22  <Stablean> <Big Meech> inflation is bad
00:33:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> never given that much thought really
00:33:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Well I've played in games so long in original TTD that no matter what you do , you can't beat inflation
00:34:09  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oki
00:34:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hope that makes sense
00:35:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> well.. not really sure what you mean by not being able to beat it
00:35:37  <Stablean> <Big Meech> all of my profit would go to pay the inflation cost
00:36:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> aha
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00:59:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yo
00:59:21  <Stablean> <Big Meech> can you kick off inflation :)
00:59:31  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
00:59:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
00:59:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> k thanks! :D
01:00:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> why anyway?
01:00:11  <Stablean> <Big Meech> its bad ?
01:00:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> usually?
01:00:36  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's never been bad
01:00:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> really?
01:00:57  <Stablean> <Sylf> yes, really.
01:01:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> but we dont play with inflation
01:01:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I thought
01:01:14  <Stablean> <Djanxy> you're not thinking of infrastructure costs ?
01:01:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> Yes we do.
01:01:51  <Stablean> <Sylf> infra cost is just stupid
01:02:05  <Stablean> <Sylf> but inflation is non issue
01:02:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> but im a noob! D:
01:02:28  <Stablean> <Djanxy> that's why im wondering if he's confusing the two :P
01:02:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> What's up with happy taking up the entire giant continent just do coal?
01:02:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no idea
01:02:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> guy loves his coal
01:04:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> and what's up with the lack of slugs...
01:04:12  <Stablean> <Djanxy> got a question - i screwed up my train orders at wheat and livestock stations, so now there's livestock building up at my wheat station - any way to remedy that or will it fix itself over time ?
01:04:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Im using slugs! :D
01:04:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> oh, the white slugs!
01:04:52  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm, sad state of the game.  *le sigh*
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01:06:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> which station?
01:06:42  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ledington
01:07:08  <Stablean> <Djanxy> accidently sent the first trains wrong
01:07:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> those chips or ISR tiles always do those little buildings at the ends that I know of
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01:09:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> BURPS
01:09:10  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi Diablo
01:09:26  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi meech
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02:36:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh, see you've been busy N :P
02:36:31  <Stablean> <N> haha yeah
02:39:30  <Stablean> <Djanxy> in hindsight i should've gone with TL2 as well with all these hills :D
02:40:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> just a hassle to do proper curves
02:40:12  <Stablean> <N> yep
02:40:18  <Stablean> <N> one time I did tl 1
02:40:33  <Stablean> <N> on just coal service
02:41:03  <Stablean> <Djanxy> imagine you get flooded with trains in that case
02:41:29  <Stablean> <N> yeah I had a bazillion trains
02:41:51  <Stablean> <N> it basically becomes a truck service at that point
02:42:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe
02:42:48  <Stablean> <Djanxy> just not moving in slow mo
02:42:54  <Stablean> <N> yep
02:43:04  <Stablean> <N> a 500 km/h truck service
02:43:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> wouldnt mind being a truck driver then
02:43:28  <Stablean> <N> haha
02:44:00  <Stablean> <Djanxy> are you a regular around these servers ?
02:44:06  <Stablean> <N> not really
02:44:18  <Stablean> <N> I play maybe once every couple of months
02:44:24  <Stablean> <Djanxy> alright
02:44:32  <Stablean> <Djanxy> first time for me here
02:44:38  <Stablean> <N> aah
02:44:42  <Stablean> <Djanxy> or any multiplayer ttd for that sake
02:45:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> just rediscovered the game a few weeks ago :D
02:45:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> and had fond memories of 15+ years ago ;)
02:45:57  <Stablean> <N> haha yeah
02:46:08  <Stablean> <N> I've been with this game since about 6-7 years ago
02:46:14  <Stablean> <N> since the days of TTDAlter
02:46:17  <Stablean> <N> and TTDPatch
02:46:36  <Stablean> <N> At the time, Openttd wasn't around
02:46:59  <Stablean> <Djanxy> played OTTD a couple of times, but very shortly - just now i got really into it
02:47:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> otherwise it was the original TTD back in time
02:48:27  <Stablean> <N> Presignals pretty much is the single biggest improvement over the original
02:49:17  <Stablean> <Djanxy> came across a video from the prozone server, and discovered what you can actually do in this game - was pretty noob before and just screwed around with single line station->station stuff - awful to think about now :)
02:52:55  <Stablean> <Djanxy> where abouts in the world are you ?
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03:37:39  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ah well, im off - have fun
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05:04:17  <V453000> !date
05:04:17  <Stablean> V453000:  2 Dec 2137
05:04:20  <V453000> oh well :)
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12:59:22  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 1 (Green): thepower12n Transport
12:59:22  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 2 (Dark Blue): happy   coal  company
12:59:22  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 3 (Red): Diablo Transport
12:59:22  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 4 (Orange): r1kkie Transport
12:59:22  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 5 (Purple): thaddeus Transport
12:59:22  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 6 (Grey): Alotta Waters Transport
12:59:24  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 7 (Blue): N
12:59:24  <Stablean> Dom_: Company 8 (White): Slug My Bitch Up
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14:47:17  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
14:47:20  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yo!
14:47:27  <Stablean> <Anson> are you doing only pax this time ?
14:47:42  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes I think so.
14:49:48  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm just thinking about what i shall do this time ... maybe a TL1 or TL2 net again ? ... looks like you have a lot of unused farms on your big island :-)
14:50:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> There is nothing as "my island". Every1 is welcome here. :P
14:53:12  <Stablean> <Anson> in one company, but one doing cargo and the other pax ? or separate companies ? ... separate tracks anyway since pax and cargo are too different probably
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14:55:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
14:57:09  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha
14:57:17  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What does it eat? :P
14:59:39  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I hate wireless stuff for that reason. :P
15:01:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hmm what type of engines and trains
15:01:55  <Stablean> <Anson> many years ago, i used a mouse for too long at a time and got a "bump" at my wrist ... it went away by itself, but comes back immediately whenever i use a mouse for longer than 5 minutes
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15:03:25  <Stablean> <Anson> since that time, i use a trackball, which also has the advantage of needing much less space on my desk ... no more mousepad and no more need to lift the mouse to travel large distances
15:04:55  <Stablean> <Anson> do you already have a layout planned for your local stations ?
15:05:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Not realy. :/
15:05:20  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats what Im thinking about
15:05:34  <Stablean> <r1kkie> First time I try this. :)
15:05:40  <Stablean> <Anson> you should do that before building roads :-)
15:06:06  <Stablean> <Anson> trains stations cover an area of 4 radius, bus stations only 3
15:06:08  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yeah :P
15:06:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> You have any suggestions?
15:06:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :)
15:07:24  <Stablean> <Anson> if you don't want to do a bus network, roads are only needed in wider distances, noit a tight net
15:07:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I was thinking about a train network.
15:08:16  <Stablean> <Anson> and if you once layed down roads and the town starts to grow, it is very difficult to change the layout and add trains/rails in the middle
15:08:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> feels like this will be chaos
15:09:39  <Stablean> <Anson> i myself have always problems doing pax ... i only know what i am not doing well, but have not yet studied many good ideas to do it well
15:10:09  <Stablean> <r1kkie> This is kind of my first so, I guess it will be a trail and error one.
15:10:39  <Stablean> <Anson> thre are many different layouts ... up to your personal taste, but select one and stick to it (at least in one town) ...
15:12:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats a good idea
15:12:16  <Stablean> <Anson> parallel tracks with tunnels and lots of other fance layouts are possible :-) ... easier systems probably are simple round trips with stations to just cover the entire town (thus with gaps of 8 tiles)
15:12:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats what I am aiming for. Not as easy as it sounds sadly. :P
15:13:18  <Stablean> <Anson> and trains should be short, with hood capacity and loading times ... less important is speed
15:13:37  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What is hood capacity? :S
15:13:47  <Stablean> <Anson> true ... and if there are already roads, it becomes even more difficult
15:14:41  <Stablean> <Anson> there is also another bif problem when you start with building roads : the town will hate you for removing so many trees and maybe even doing some TF ... thus you will have the roads and rails, and then can't build the stations :-(
15:15:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> This is hard man.
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15:19:13  <Stablean> <Anson> NUTS has two types of pax trains ... local are mostly slow, but with good capacity on small length, and ICE for long distance which need to be longer, accelerate a longer time to high speeds, but then go well to distant towns
15:29:48  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What are we building?
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15:51:01  <Stablean> <Anson> i will go to farming soon ... only wanted to start one more town with a "strange" layout of tracks :-)
15:55:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Time to fix this mess
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15:55:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Kabooom!
15:56:15  <Stablean> <Anson> train crashed in a crash site ?
15:57:17  <Stablean> <Anson> how did that happen ?
15:57:39  <Stablean> <Anson> i see no green player who could have removed signals ...
15:57:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> He left when it happend
15:59:14  <Stablean> <Anson> strange ... i see no message about a player coming or leaving
16:00:05  <Stablean> <r1kkie> He left just before I typed kaboom
16:00:07  <Stablean> <Anson> ah ... scrolled back and found it
16:12:08  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson, witch train do u think is most suiteble for this type of network? :/
16:12:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Im not that into loading speed etc. :/
16:13:01  <Stablean> <Anson> you probably need two types
16:13:16  <Stablean> <r1kkie> One for the city to next city
16:13:19  <Stablean> <Anson> one for local feeder and one for long distance to make money with the pax
16:13:22  <Stablean> <r1kkie> and one for the feeder trains
16:13:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
16:14:03  <Stablean> <Anson> general hint : V already labeled trains as local and intercity :-)
16:15:09  <Stablean> <Anson> as first local trains, i selected not the fastest local, but the second : much more capacity which will be needed later (much later :-)
16:15:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Could u give me an example? :)
16:15:58  <Stablean> <Anson> for long distance, you can look at rail, mono, maglev, but thre are also chameleon trains which modify capacity depending on length
16:16:54  <Stablean> <Anson> with nuts, it is not too costly to autoreplace a few trains ... just try&error ... that's also wat I do :-)
16:17:04  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
16:24:30  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson: With a train network. How do you think the roads are best builded?
16:24:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> 2x2, 2x4, 2x6
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16:31:08  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  all
16:31:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hey!
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16:38:28  <Stablean> <Anson> building roads for towns ... try it yourself ... endless options in endless variations :-)
16:38:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
16:39:14  <Stablean> <Anson> houses are always built next to a road, thus big gaps are not good, and min distance between parallel roads should be 2 :-)
16:39:57  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Gonna try I get these two towns connected? :P
16:40:19  <Stablean> <Anson> but there are astonishing results when you try 2x2 vs 3x3 ... count the possible houses on an 6x6 area when you build 2x2 and 3x3 ...
16:45:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> lol all cites hate me. :D
16:49:19  <Stablean> <Anson> cities start liking you sooner or later if you have serviced stations near them
16:49:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I know. :)
16:49:47  <Stablean> <Anson> that's why i made temp connections and let some trains run
16:50:29  <Stablean> <Anson> besides the authoritie's hate, FLU is ready now :-)
16:50:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Connection to my main line?! :D
16:50:59  <Stablean> <Anson> FLU should work well with TL6 or 7 ... you use 6 ?
16:51:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes I have 6
16:52:24  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, what will you call your main station ? DDF ? for the names of the three towns ?
16:52:43  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
16:53:05  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What does FLU stand for?
16:53:11  <Stablean> <Anson> the connection between FLU and DDF is bad, but probably never will be used, except when redirecting a train
16:53:18  <Stablean> <Anson> thus the CL1 should not matter
16:54:00  <Stablean> <Anson> the town name ... FLUfingwell
16:55:02  <Stablean> <Anson> i try to getting used to the PS conventions for towns :-)
16:55:12  <Stablean> <r1kkie> PS?
16:55:18  <Stablean> <Anson> public server
16:57:42  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Brb
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17:24:24  <Stablean> <Anson> WB
17:24:54  <Stablean> <Anson> with the new bigger towns, you should check the orders ... mostly the full load of BMF-NUN
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17:25:32  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What do u mean?
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17:26:30  <Stablean> <Anson> when you connect towns with each other, you can be 99.9% sure that they have different production of pax
17:26:44  <Stablean> <r1kkie> True
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17:26:54  <Stablean> <Anson> thus trains will always wait at one of them when you use full load
17:27:17  <Stablean> <Anson> when you use full load for both
17:27:37  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Work ok before u send your trains to my city. ;)
17:27:52  <Stablean> <Anson> in the long run, it never works
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17:27:59  <Stablean> <r1kkie> =)
17:28:03  <Stablean> <Anson> one town will always be bigger
17:29:21  <Stablean> <Anson> NUN produces 4017 pax, and DDF together produce 3600
17:30:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I need to relocate de NUN station. Any suggestions?
17:30:23  <Stablean> <Anson> without the trains from FLU, NIN should get the full load orders, and with them BMF should get full load orders ... and in a few years, it might be different again
17:31:05  <Stablean> <Anson> why relocate ? to make it bugger ? how many platforms ?
17:31:39  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Depends on how big the city can be.  :)
17:31:58  <Stablean> <Anson> as big as the island ? .-)
17:32:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Need to connect some the feederstations
17:32:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Kind of tricky when its in the middle of everything
17:33:13  <Stablean> <Anson> do you see the new small station ? ... that's one method to connect feeders :-)
17:33:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes
17:34:05  <Stablean> <Anson> station spread is 12 ... TL is only 6, thus a feeder may be connected a few tiles apart from the main station
17:36:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Lets keep it where it is. :P
17:36:15  <Stablean> <Anson> a large area "in the fututre town" would be at sign "MAIN here?"
17:36:27  <Stablean> <Anson> but there are dozens of other options too
17:36:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Makes it interesting
17:36:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> =)
17:36:47  <Stablean> <Anson> then you need to watch loading times
17:37:31  <Stablean> <Anson> if it gets really busy later, a rule of thumb is to have more platforms than loading stages
17:38:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> How many platforms do u think we need?
17:38:08  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
17:38:23  <Stablean> <Anson> count the loading stages ...
17:38:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> In the future.... :)
17:39:00  <Stablean> <Anson> if there are enough pax to always do a full load immediately, you would need 10 platforms for these trains
17:39:16  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Okok
17:40:27  <Stablean> <Anson> you also could use longer trains ... NUN and BMF would be easy to build longer
17:40:53  <Stablean> <Anson> FLU would need reconstruction, but still not too difficult
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17:49:15  <Stablean> <Anson> FLU should work now with any TL from 6 to 9
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17:56:05  <Stablean> <Anson> it's always good to use a "highlevel" train, but not always the highest ... eg The Day I Die has speed 402, but capacity is only 60 per wagon and it requires 30/3=10 loading stages ... the next best has only 317 speed, but capacity 70 and requires only 35/5 (or 70/10) = 7 loading stages
17:57:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Wjat does "this vehicle has tilt" mean?
17:57:59  <Stablean> <Anson> the fastest monorail has speed 603, less capacity (48), but only 48/8 = 6 loading stages
17:58:21  <Stablean> <Anson> tilt in curves = 20% more speed in the same CL
17:59:00  <Stablean> <Anson> @@(clcalc maglev 402)
17:59:01  <Webster> Stablean: Required CL for maglev at 402km/h is 5 (8 half tiles) or TL
17:59:16  <Stablean> <Anson> @@(clcalc maglev tilt 402)
17:59:17  <Webster> Stablean: Required CL for maglev at 402km/h, with tilt bonus, is 4 (6 half tiles) or TL
17:59:40  <Stablean> <r1kkie> My comp is not good enough for this game. Its lagging bad now. :/
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18:12:33  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
18:12:43  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hi
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18:14:13  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Anson, why a maintain non stop order?
18:15:12  <Stablean> <Anson> when trains have any kind of goto depot command, they don't interrupt whjat they are doing, but go to a depot only when they hit on that order
18:16:10  <Stablean> <Anson> thus a train going somewhere won't try to go to the nearest depot when you refit or renew, but will wait until that order and then go to THAT depot that you have selected
18:20:33  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the stats of fast monorail trains (in comparison to the maglev intercity) : speed 402 vs 417, power 20k-25k, capacity 60 vs 30x2, loading stages 60/6=10 vs 60/12=5
18:20:59  <Stablean> <Anson> and 0.5 tiles shorter, thus can have one more wagon
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18:21:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I dont understand what loading stages is or what the numbers says. :/
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18:26:25  <Stablean> <Anson> loading stages : how many steps loadin and unloading needs
18:26:40  <Stablean> <Anson> 0,10,20,30,40,...,100 are 10 steps
18:26:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I got it
18:27:28  <Stablean> <Anson> on the monorail i use now, it is 0,20,40,60,80,100, thus only 5 steps ... much faster loading and unloading, and you need less platforms
18:27:46  <Stablean> <r1kkie> loading stage = loading speed?
18:28:12  <Stablean> <Anson> loading stages = number of steps ... less steps = faster loading/unloading
18:28:42  <Stablean> <Anson> just watch trains at NUN :-)
18:29:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> When it says 4(x2) what does that mean? is it the same as 8? But then why not say 8. :S
18:30:42  <Stablean> <Anson> in nuts, all trains/wagons have length 0.5, but on some, there are 2 wagons in those 0.5
18:31:01  <Stablean> <Anson> thus they have 4 per wagon, or 4x2=8 per unit
18:32:03  <Stablean> <Anson> you can calculate with either value ... capacity 40(x2) and loading speed 4(x2) gives either 40/4 or 80/8 :-)
18:32:37  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I dont gat it at all. :/
18:32:47  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Im a lost case...
18:35:11  <Stablean> <Anson> example : the day i die (maglev intercity) has 2 wagons of 30 capacity for each unit that you buy ... results in 60 pax per unit, and is written as 30(x2)
18:36:09  <Stablean> <Anson> the loading speed correspondingly is written as 3(x2) ... thus you can calculate 60/6 or 30/3 ... result is the same : 10 loading stages
18:37:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> okok
18:37:33  <Stablean> <Anson> the fast monorail train Reality has 60 capacity and 12 loading speed ... 60/12 = 5 loading stages
18:38:07  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ok I think I got it.
18:38:54  <Stablean> <Anson> the difference between 30(x2) and 60 is the looks (a wagon with 0.5 tiles, or two with 0.25 tiles), and a different curve speed
18:39:37  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What has the curvspeed to do with it?
18:40:39  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm not into the details of that too much, but all the formulas we see and also clcalc are only estimates ... it really depends on the number of wagons between two 45 degree turns that turn in the same direction
18:41:02  <Stablean> <r1kkie> OKey
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18:47:23  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the length of both trains and their speeds ... both have the same length (TL6), but one is above and the other below CL)
18:47:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> CL?
18:48:10  <Stablean> <Anson> curve length
18:48:28  <Stablean> <r1kkie> okok I see
18:49:38  <Stablean> <Anson> difference is the type (monorail has 50% bonus relative to rail, and maglev has 100%, thus maglev can go a third faster in the same curve
18:50:03  <Stablean> <Anson> and then there is tilt for an additional 20% bonus
18:50:21  <Stablean> <Anson> and then the different wagon lengths which don't fit in any formula
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18:57:53  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Cam u remove that thing?
18:58:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Its kind of in the wat
18:58:13  <Stablean> <r1kkie> way
18:59:09  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ? :)
19:00:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> LMAO
19:00:33  <Stablean> <Anson> there are no diagonal bridges :-)
19:00:51  <Stablean> <r1kkie> So?
19:01:03  <Stablean> <r1kkie> What the hell are u building?
19:01:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> an apparent passenger killing device
19:01:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> workign good so far :D
19:02:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  jam  how  things
19:02:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi good
19:02:24  <Stablean> <Jam35> brb
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19:05:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> DUDE!
19:05:34  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :D
19:06:12  <Stablean> <r1kkie> How will u fix the secind tunnel?
19:06:34  <Stablean> <r1kkie> WTF are u doing?
19:06:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> LMAO
19:06:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you two should be cooperating :D
19:06:54  <Stablean> <r1kkie> We are
19:06:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
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19:07:45  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi D2DG
19:07:47  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Hihi
19:07:49  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
19:08:08  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Long time no see guys
19:08:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> mmhmm
19:09:00  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Can u please tell me what u doing or I will destroy it all
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19:09:18  <Stablean> <r1kkie> U have 1 min starting now...
19:09:24  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
19:09:26  <Stablean> <Anson> i only made the stations 1 tile longer to fit TL6
19:09:42  <Stablean> <Anson> then you started building the tunnel etc ... don't know why
19:09:49  <V453000> MrD2DG game starting on PS now :)
19:09:59  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Oooooh
19:09:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> NO WAY
19:10:01  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> :P
19:10:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> TELL ME MOAR
19:10:13  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Guess I'm going to PS
19:10:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> D:
19:10:35  <Stablean> <MrD2DG> Come Meech :D
19:10:42  <Stablean> <Big Meech> maybe laterz
19:10:49  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Well that tunnel has ALOT more logic to it then you wierd thing that could be placed in the other side of this map
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19:15:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I am very tempted to remove the signals. :P
19:17:35  <Stablean> <Anson> the problems and misunderstandings started when you built the two stations .... what did you intend with them ? i thought you wanted to test loading and unloading ?
19:18:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha i wanted to stop the same message get poped up that the trains had to few orders. :D
19:18:56  <Stablean> <Anson> there is a setting in advanced settings to disable such messages
19:19:35  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Thats not the point. :)
19:20:01  <Stablean> <Anson> the whole circle was to test curve speeds of different trains, and "too few orders" is unavoidable for that
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19:20:25  <Stablean> <Anson> or you would need to give orders to go to other stations outside the circle
19:20:29  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yes and that took 2 min and then u start building stations and other wierd stuff. :P
19:20:43  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Then I would get the messege that they are lost. :P
19:21:01  <Stablean> <Anson> i only extended the stations that you had built, since yours were too short :-)
19:21:23  <Stablean> <r1kkie> But I had no inted of using them.
19:21:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> :P
19:21:43  <Stablean> <Anson> i looked at the trains and you had given them orders to use them
19:23:17  <Stablean> <r1kkie> =)
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19:35:04  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  rtm
19:35:10  <Stablean> <RTM> hi happy tran  sport
19:35:17  <Stablean> <RTM> hi Anson
19:35:24  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
19:35:26  <Stablean> <RTM> hi r1kkie
19:35:29  <Stablean> <RTM> hi Big Meech
19:35:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Yoyo!
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19:38:35  <Stablean> <Anson> after fixing our misunderstandings and the mess that it caused .... Hallo, RTM and all others :-)
19:39:09  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Haha that missunderstanding was on both of us. :D
19:39:39  <Stablean> <Anson> Rikkie, will you stay with TL6, or use something longer in the future ? now would still be the time to change that without too much reconstruction work needed
19:40:09  <Stablean> <r1kkie> We can go longer if u like.
19:40:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> =)
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19:40:35  <Stablean> <Anson> in the long run, TL6 seems a bit short for a long distance pax transport
19:40:49  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Agreed
19:40:52  <Stablean> <Anson> FLU will (should :-) work up to TL9
19:42:46  <Stablean> <Anson> will you make NUN longer ?
19:42:52  <Stablean> <Anson> or shall I ?
19:43:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> You can do it
19:43:36  <Stablean> <r1kkie> 9 TL?
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19:44:40  <Stablean> <Anson> i will extend the station to 9 ... you can then later extend trains to 7, 8 or 9 ... depending on how much brake space you want to use
19:45:23  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I will fix the BMF to 9 tile
19:46:49  <Stablean> <bug sniper> what does DIE stand for?
19:47:23  <Stablean> <Anson> the action to transform to being dead :-)
19:47:41  <Stablean> <r1kkie> =)
19:47:51  <Stablean> <bug sniper> I see
19:48:13  <Stablean> <Anson> there probably was some industry or mine and the space was needed to extend the net
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19:48:23  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi   dianlo
19:48:29  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi happy
19:48:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
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19:49:02  <Stablean> <Diablo> fine, u?
19:49:08  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
19:49:34  <Stablean> <Diablo> i may or may not crash soon due to slow internet speeds
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19:52:38  <Stablean> <Diablo> where to?
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19:56:05  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice  looks   grate
19:56:08  <Stablean> <Anson> tres are less risky
19:56:54  <Stablean> <Anson> i gave up to bribe authorities since at least 90% of my bribes would be detected and make the situation worse
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20:14:13  <Stablean> <RTM> hi Diablo
20:14:23  <Stablean> <Diablo> hi rtm
20:14:41  <Stablean> <RTM> good to see you at this time
20:14:43  <Stablean> <Diablo> bbl
20:14:57  <Stablean> <Diablo> cyas
20:15:00  <Stablean> <RTM> ok
20:15:03  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
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20:19:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> u not  playing    rtm
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20:26:47  <Stablean> <r1kkie> u DONE Anson?
20:26:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Ops caps
20:27:00  <Stablean> <Anson> just finetuning the signal gaps
20:27:14  <Stablean> <r1kkie> ok
20:27:42  <Stablean> <Anson> should be done now
20:28:13  <Stablean> <Anson> do you see the many signals in front of the NUN station ?
20:28:36  <Stablean> <r1kkie> y
20:29:15  <Stablean> <Anson> from the backside, they serve as penalties for the pathfinder ... thus the PF sends tzrains first to the two center platforms
20:29:37  <Stablean> <Anson> that way, they can leave if a second train just enters the other platforms
20:30:27  <Stablean> <Anson> if really busy, it doesn't matter whther the first or the second train must stop for crossing, but if there are fewer trains, it offers a fast exit more often
20:31:19  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Hmm only a 33% at BMF
20:31:57  <Stablean> <Anson> i had stopped many trains for testing ... wait a bit
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20:32:31  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I added a few trains too :P
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20:33:45  <Sylf> !date
20:33:45  <Stablean> Sylf:  6 May 2174
20:35:06  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I want the cites to grow more... :D
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20:43:11  <Stablean> <r1kkie> I like what we have done Anson
20:46:07  <Stablean> <Anson> just finished adjusting FLU to the change of the ML
20:46:42  <Stablean> <Anson> was looking for a depot to add trains and only found the depots behind your station ... not a very good idea :-(
20:47:04  <Stablean> <Anson> i did the same a few maps ago, and some trains took years to leave the depot
20:47:15  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Just builded them when I was adding wagons
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20:48:33  <Stablean> <Anson> problem with those depots is that they are visible, and when trains try to leave again, the exit will always be blocked by a leaving train and allow a coming train to enter (if pbs is used)
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20:49:04  <Stablean> <Anson> thus trains never ghet a chance to leave as long as there are always trains coming in on the first two platforms
20:50:06  <Stablean> <Anson> do we have ANY depot on the main network now ? :-)
20:50:28  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Dont think so. :P
20:50:50  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Im eating at the moment. :P
20:51:20  <Stablean> <thepower12n> maybe 1 more engine at yuor trains? they accelerate abit slow
20:51:46  <Stablean> <Anson> should be the same as your trains :-)
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20:54:22  <Stablean> <thepower12n> you got 24.233hp at 19 wagons
20:54:37  <Stablean> <thepower12n> i got 32.952 hp at 4 wagons
20:54:43  <Stablean> <thepower12n> small difference;p
20:55:57  <Stablean> <Anson> i, you, me .... meant FLU-NUN should be the same as BMF-NUN ... rikkie's trains and my trains ...
20:56:49  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm just looking what other engines could be used ...
20:57:47  <Stablean> <Anson> Speed Demon looks nice concerning speed, but power isn't great, and most of all, capacity is MUCH less (39 instead of 60)
21:01:25  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Well im of to bed!
21:02:16  <Stablean> <r1kkie> Have a nice evening!
21:02:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb!
21:02:40  <Stablean> <Anson> CU
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21:26:48  <Jam35_> hi TMC
21:26:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi Jam
21:27:16  <V453000> o/
21:27:21  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> wb    jam
21:27:31  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  v
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21:28:09  <Jam35_> bb happy
21:28:21  <Stablean> <V453000> how do you like them slugs Troy? :D
21:28:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> pretty nice
21:28:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> haven't looked at the specs yet
21:28:48  <Stablean> <V453000> specs arent changed
21:29:18  <Stablean> <V453000> anyway just came to say hi
21:29:20  <Stablean> <V453000> byez
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21:29:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bye
21:29:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
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21:34:01  <Stablean> <Player> wut, why do trains scream "fashion"
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21:34:42  <Stablean> <Anson> because slugs wear hats
21:34:48  <Stablean> <Devedse> =o
21:35:06  <Stablean> <Devedse> i find this disturbing
21:35:37  <Stablean> <Anson> try a wet train :-)
21:38:07  <Stablean> <Devedse> Theres a train not really moving here :/
21:38:42  <Stablean> <Devedse> Train 78
21:38:53  <Stablean> <Devedse> oh there she goes
21:39:11  <Stablean> <Devedse> poor guy just had to wait 30 minutes :o
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21:39:40  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  n
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21:51:43  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ...
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22:10:37  <Stablean> <N> how do I autoreplace trains again?
22:10:47  <Stablean> <N> the button is greyed out
22:11:11  <Stablean> <N> nvm  I got it
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22:46:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ...
22:47:07  <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (processing map took too long)
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22:47:32  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dfq...
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22:49:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> NO YOU CAN'T GET IN
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23:14:10  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hey
23:14:16  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
23:16:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  did not  no  that  thin
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23:56:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> whont t     is   trololo   doing
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23:56:58  <Stablean> <Trololo> cool server
23:56:58  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I believe player 'Trololo" is nothing but a troll, trying to crash trains just for that
23:57:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you gonna build something?
23:57:32  <Stablean> <Trololo> FUCKING KID
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23:57:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> okay, nice
23:58:01  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bye, come again
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23:58:29  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> whont  was  he  proberm

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