Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 29th September 2013:
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00:04:23  <Stablean> *** Sylf has joined company #3
00:05:29  <Stablean> <bon> sylf can you make any sense of the "variable" speed for the turtle or you're probably just as confused as I am?
00:05:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> what variable speed?
00:06:10  <Stablean> <Sylf> turtles' practical top speed is 120km/h, static
00:06:21  <Stablean> <bon> "higher speed 265km/h' ... and 'max speed: 201km/h'
00:06:24  <Stablean> <Sylf> the displayed top speed is faster than that to improve the station rating
00:06:42  <Stablean> <Sylf> that could be as simple as calculation error
00:06:54  <Stablean> <bon> hmm know what you might be right..i'll stop trying to make sense of it :)
00:07:01  <Stablean> <Sylf> i think the train speeds are actually set in miles per hour internally
00:08:11  <Stablean> <bon> I guess you're the turtle company now :)
00:08:15  <Stablean> <bon> ( a sense)
00:08:26  <Stablean> <bon> I do have a few turtles just for fun tho
00:08:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> are you calling my company slow?
00:08:42  <Stablean> <bon> turtle as in these 120km/h things in water
00:08:48  <Stablean> <bon> I wonder why he called them turtles
00:08:54  <Stablean> <Sylf> but turtules are slow creatures
00:09:08  <Stablean> <bon> well..if these aren't turtles then what are they?
00:09:22  <Stablean> <Sylf> the real turtles
00:09:30  <Stablean> <bon> hard shell..four paddle feet ... head
00:09:34  <Stablean> <bon> heh :)
00:09:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> turtles in the water are deceptively fast
00:09:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> or tortois too even
00:10:05  <Stablean> <bon> at least I do know you don't want a tortoise to bit you...quite strong jaws
00:10:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> couldn't be worse than snapping turtles
00:11:03  <Stablean> <bon> ah yes these too
00:11:33  <Stablean> <bon> I wonder what the next two WET vehicles will be but guess I'll find out later or tomorrow :)
00:12:08  <Stablean> <Sylf> more creatures.
00:12:14  <Stablean> <Sylf> that's all I'm gonna say.
00:12:17  <Stablean> <bon> mm
00:24:20  <Stablean> <bon> anyway going for either a while or for the night..have fun
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00:45:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
00:45:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Just saw the high score chart xD
00:46:19  <Stablean> <Big Meech> my meechieness is infectious!
01:04:02  <Stablean> <Djanxy> lol, the train on my 7tile line is making 60k a year
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01:44:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooo
01:45:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> yooo
01:46:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> woooooo!
01:46:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> refit ?
01:47:18  <Stablean> <Sylf> yup
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01:49:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> so if i need to dupe a train it better be getting a primary cache first?
01:52:23  <Stablean> <bon> geeze
01:52:31  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy is a bit funny
01:52:45  <Stablean> <bon> leaving two ship-trains
01:53:15  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Teh C4T is pimp
01:53:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> 2 stations converted
01:53:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> time for dinner
01:53:53  <Stablean> <bon> converted?
01:54:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> new stations :D
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01:57:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> * saluts General
01:59:10  <Stablean> <bon> these cats look a bit silly in the water heh
01:59:20  <BiG_MeEcH> Water cats, new creature
01:59:54  <Stablean> <bon> wonder what the 9th WET vehicle is but going to bed soon so probably will see it tomorrow :)
02:00:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
02:00:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I know what it is :D
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02:00:12  <Stablean> <bon> what does it look like?
02:00:18  <Stablean> <Big Meech> something! :D
02:00:25  <Stablean> <bon> seriously?
02:00:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yep
02:00:50  <Stablean> <bon> so how fast is this Something?
02:01:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> a certain speed
02:02:17  <BiG_MeEcH> It should be a surprise!
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02:02:50  <Sylf> there'll be 9th and 10th
02:06:55  <Stablean> <bon> well if it can do 140kph with some cars I guess thats good enough
02:09:06  <Stablean> <bon> heh the cat almost didn't like my slopes :/
02:09:10  <Stablean> <bon> 48kph
02:09:33  <Stablean> <bon> anyway going to bed now tho
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03:27:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> with the refit i have to clone and make sure its on order 1?
03:27:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> and refitted properly>
03:28:17  <Stablean> <Sylf> when you clone, you need to make sure it's refit to the right cargo first
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03:45:56  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :)
03:48:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> anything need work Boss?
03:49:08  <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah, lots.
03:49:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I'm going to do my stuff before bed
03:49:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> then ill be back so if you need something done
03:49:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ill review past messages when i get back
03:49:48  <Stablean> <Sylf> turn fruits/grain trains into refit stuff
03:50:02  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sounds hard
03:50:04  <Stablean> <Sylf> run the FS trains at Ginburg
03:50:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I can do that
03:50:52  <Stablean> <Sylf> there are couple more bauxite mines near the aluminum mill
03:51:11  <Stablean> <Sylf> and couple arable farms near Sonfingbridge
03:51:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> so, lots to do
03:51:49  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sure BRBR
04:07:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> how do i go about making a new train for neston valley?
04:07:16  <Stablean> <Big Meech> copy and change order no.1 ?
04:07:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm
04:07:16  <Stablean> <Sylf> it'll be order 1 automatically
04:07:26  <Stablean> <Sylf> you need to make sure the train's refit for bauxite
04:08:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> can you do the orders for both new stations?
04:08:28  <Stablean> <Sylf> wha?
04:08:32  <Stablean> <Sylf> it's  really simple
04:08:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I already F'ed up one earlier
04:22:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> i made 2 signs of XXXXXXXXXX
04:22:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> is that where the farms are? or have I missed one?
04:25:25  <Stablean> <Sylf> we need to rework the brewery first
04:25:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> okie doke
04:26:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> needs refitting?
04:28:06  <Stablean> <Big Meech> does the town need some destruction?
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04:37:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
04:37:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> is the airport a joke? xD
04:37:47  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
04:38:17  <Stablean> <Big Meech> you needed the largest cachement area possible?
04:38:39  <Stablean> <Sylf> no
04:38:45  <Stablean> <Sylf> just 1 extra tile catchment
04:42:56  <Stablean> <Sylf> well shit
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04:43:07  <Stablean> <Sylf> this isn't gonna work
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04:48:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> does that central need exit signals?
04:48:44  <Stablean> <Sylf> let me handle the whole thing
04:48:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sure
04:51:13  <Stablean> <Big Meech> curious to why that one station tiles have no signals after exit, only after the exit plus split?
04:51:23  <Stablean> <Big Meech> before the waypoint
04:51:35  <Stablean> <Sylf> It's midnight
04:51:37  <Stablean> <Sylf> hat's why
04:51:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> ah :D
04:52:05  <Stablean> <Big Meech> sounds like a personal problem :)
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05:02:59  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :)
05:04:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I wonder how those turtles taste once they explode
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05:05:00  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh
05:05:03  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Beast within is out
05:05:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
05:05:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> roast Duck
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06:03:08  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
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08:28:06  <Stablean> <AnsonAndroid> hallo
08:32:20  <Stablean> <AnsonAndroid> greetings from my phone... i have 1.3.2 now :-)
08:33:27  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi Anson
08:34:50  <Stablean> <AnsonAndroid> a bit laggy. but it works... now i only need to fi.d out how to use  trl a.d how to xrag the .ouse....
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08:35:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> trl? :D
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08:36:45  <Stablean> <Anson> ctrl
08:37:14  <Jam35> figures :)
08:37:15  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm back on my PC now ... before, it was really ingame on my phone, not only irc
08:37:53  <Stablean> <Jam35> I can only imagine that being extremely fiddly
08:38:05  <Stablean> <Anson> still don't know how to use CTRL key on a touchsceen :-) :-(
08:39:12  <Stablean> <Anson> and the second problem is that i can't hold a mouse button and drag, but can only click ... thus: how do i select eg advanced game options, sign list, client list, etc ?
08:40:10  <Stablean> <Jam35> can't say I would bother trying tbh :)
08:40:48  <Stablean> <Jam35> maybe on a tablet with a keyboard but then why bother?
08:40:58  <Stablean> <Anson> wouldn't it be nice to set up a tram network while sitting in a tram ? .-)
08:41:21  <Stablean> <Jam35> only if you want to be on the tram 4 hours
08:41:43  <Stablean> <Anson> 1 hour ...
08:42:34  <Stablean> <Anson> traveling sometimes by Sbahn and tram for a total of 1 hour (and 1 more to return later)
08:43:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> play angry birds ? :D
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08:44:22  <Stablean> <V453000> m00
08:44:33  <Stablean> <Jam35> mm
08:44:43  <Stablean> <V453000> sup :D
08:44:47  <Stablean> <Anson> at least, i could have a look at the new ships (hallo, V) last night while waiting for the tram :-)
08:46:14  <Stablean> <Anson> i tried to set up a small test network offline, but didn't understand how the max speed works ... how can those new ships be faster than 120 when the wet rails only allow max 120 ?
08:46:41  <Stablean> <V453000> isnt it w ritten there :)
08:46:48  <Stablean> <Jam35> I think it is a false numbe for station ratings
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08:47:38  <Stablean> <V453000> ships wouldnt be very good for refit if their station ratings were permanently at like 60%
08:47:48  <Stablean> <V453000> with 90% they are much better
08:48:14  <Stablean> <V453000> you obviously dont need to care about the % loaded as the trains are going there and doing their job regardless, but still
08:48:32  <Stablean> <Anson> in the description, i see "higher speed for higher station ratings", but i also see "only 120 max travel speed", and the properties of wet rails say "max speed 120"
08:48:36  <Stablean> <V453000> the actual original idea was so that the eating ships would gain power when loaded
08:48:50  <Stablean> <V453000> then wtf is unclear Anson
08:48:53  <Stablean> <Jam35> Is there a way to reset password?
08:48:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> for happy
08:49:07  <Stablean> <V453000> not sure
08:49:14  <Stablean> <V453000> some way probably is but idk
08:49:29  <Stablean> <Jam35> he has forgotten what he typed
08:49:44  <Stablean> <Jam35> tried many typo variants
08:49:50  <Stablean> <V453000> lol
08:49:56  <Stablean> <V453000> just move him to the company and change it
08:49:58  <Stablean> <Anson> when the rail has a cap at 120, why would i want to have trains that can go faster ?
08:50:08  <Stablean> <Jam35> I can't @op myself
08:50:12  <Stablean> <V453000> oh :S
08:50:19  <Stablean> <V453000> Anson, station ratings are deduced from train speed
08:51:57  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm currently looking at the red trains ... train 68 has a max speed of 201, but since it drives on wet rails, it is reduced to 120 ... what use do the 201 have ?
08:52:24  <Stablean> <V453000> must I say it again or
08:52:32  <Stablean> <Jam35> the station sees the max speed
08:52:40  <Stablean> <Jam35> and it improves rating
08:53:16  <V453000> !players
08:53:19  <Stablean> V453000: Client 163 is Jam35, a spectator
08:53:19  <Stablean> V453000: Client 158 is Big Meech, a spectator
08:53:19  <Stablean> V453000: Client 169 (Pink) is Anson, in company 7 (AnsonAndroid Transport)
08:53:19  <Stablean> V453000: Client 171 is V453000, a spectator
08:53:31  <V453000> !rcon move 163 5
08:53:32  <Stablean> V453000: ‎*** Jam35 has joined company #5
08:53:40  <Stablean> <Anson> ah ... then the meaning is just the opposite of what i read :-9
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08:54:30  <Stablean> <Anson> "you should use a higher speed to get higher station ratings" instead of "you get higher speed for a higher station rating"
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08:55:06  <V453000> off to work
08:55:07  <V453000> bai
08:55:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> bb
08:55:21  <V453000> btw Jam35 if you find any bugs etc please write them in #nuts
08:55:27  <Stablean> <Anson> work on sunday ? poor guy :-(
08:55:27  <V453000> searching for it in the log here is a bit ass
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09:04:20  <Stablean> <Anson> when do the new trains eat cargo ?
09:04:50  <Stablean> <Jam35> not sure
09:05:00  <Stablean> <Jam35> have not witnessed that yet either
09:05:06  <Stablean> <Anson> the description says "eats cargo during transport", but after following a train for 4 months, it still had the same amount of cargo ...
09:05:42  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe it is only meant as a realworld reason why the cargo ages faster ?
09:06:56  <Stablean> <Anson> to find the best words to explain sometjing is sometimes a bit difficult when one non-native english speaker tries to tell something to another non-native-english speaker ...
09:08:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> V or me?
09:08:41  <Stablean> <Jam35> I am UK
09:08:51  <Stablean> <Anson> just like with the sentence about speed and station ratings : "A for B" ... easy to misunderstand it : "you get A for B" or "you need to give A for B"
09:09:18  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, then you (jam) can be the judge ? .-)
09:09:33  <Stablean> <Anson> what would you read when you see "A for B" ? .-)
09:09:35  <Stablean> <Jam35> I don't understand any of it :p
09:11:29  <Stablean> <Anson> as i understood what V just said, you get a higher station rating when the speed is faster, although the max speed is capped at 120 ... "speed for rating" ... but i read it as "you get higher speed for a higher station rating"
09:11:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> the 120 is actual speed
09:12:55  <Stablean> <Jam35> for example the turtles: they travel 120 but stations see 201
09:14:25  <Stablean> <Anson> yes .... for the calculations in
09:16:11  <Stablean> <Anson> when i say "an apple for an euro" ... does that mean that i pay an euro to get an apple, or that i get an euro when i give an apple ?
09:16:49  <Stablean> <Jam35> well it could be either :)
09:16:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> context i guess
09:17:26  <Stablean> <Anson> exact same problem that i had when reading "speed for rating"
09:17:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> an euro sounds weird
09:17:42  <Stablean> <Jam35> we would say a euro
09:18:10  <Stablean> <Anson> i thought that i would get more speed when a station has a higher rating, but instead the station rating profits from the max speed
09:19:52  <Stablean> <Anson> in school, we learned that a turns into an, when two vowels would follow each other, or doesn't euro start with a vowel when you pronounce it juro ? .-)
09:20:30  <Stablean> <Jam35> that is generally true but I guess there are exceptions
09:20:46  <Stablean> <Jam35> would sound like a neuro
09:21:24  <Stablean> <Jam35> same for a unicorn
09:21:27  <Stablean> <Jam35> same sound
09:21:29  <Stablean> <Anson> we pronounce euro more like "oiroh" :-)
09:21:33  <Stablean> <Jam35> not an unicorn
09:21:48  <Stablean> <Jam35> like 'you row@
09:21:50  <Stablean> <Jam35> ish
09:22:18  <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then it is because of the "junicorn" and "jouro" pronounciation that the a staty an a
09:22:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> not quite but works the same
09:23:04  <Stablean> <Jam35> pronouced like' you' sounds
09:23:10  <Stablean> <Jam35> no J's
09:23:13  <Stablean> <Jam35> like jam jar
09:23:20  <Stablean> <Anson> now we have the same word (euro) in many languages, but it still is not the same ...
09:23:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> the' eu' part is similar to' y' sound
09:24:24  <Stablean> <Jam35> a yacht
09:24:28  <Stablean> <Jam35> a yellow thing
09:24:38  <Stablean> <Jam35> a yeuro
09:24:42  <Stablean> <Anson> the continent is "You Rope" for you, while it is "Oi Ropa" for me .-)
09:25:12  <Stablean> <Jam35> right :)
09:25:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> yeurope
09:25:45  <Stablean> <Anson> and thus "a yeuro" and "an oi roh"
09:26:31  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, old joke : what is the biggest difference between UK and USA ?
09:26:42  <Stablean> <Jam35> err idk :)
09:26:44  <Stablean> <Anson> their common language
09:26:51  <Stablean> <Jam35> right :)
09:27:21  <Stablean> <Anson> baggage-luggage, lift, truck, ....
09:27:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> ass arse
09:28:05  <Stablean> <Anson> we have the same problem with all our regional dialects, and even more so if you look at the austrian language
09:28:52  <Stablean> <Jam35> I guess the same for most languages
09:29:18  <Stablean> <Anson> literally translated, some people call potatoes "earth-apples"
09:29:29  <Stablean> <Jam35> pomme de terre
09:29:39  <Stablean> <Anson> but even more difficult like "paradeiser" for tomatoes
09:30:09  <Stablean> <Anson> nobody in germany will understand that austrian vegatable name
09:30:31  <Stablean> <Anson> you know franfurter and wiener (sausages) ?
09:30:42  <Stablean> <Anson> * frank
09:30:52  <Stablean> <Jam35> yes :)
09:31:06  <Stablean> <Jam35> hot dogs?
09:31:21  <Stablean> <Anson> there is a slight difference between them, but in frankfurt and wien, there is only one type of them
09:31:55  <Stablean> <Anson> hot dog is the whole thing, with the bread !?
09:32:25  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: Ich bin ein Berliner ... you know that sentence ?
09:32:39  <Stablean> <Jam35> i suppose but can mean just the canned crap
09:32:41  <Stablean> <Jam35> yes
09:33:20  <Stablean> <Anson> some people make a joke, that Kennedy said "i am a jelly donut (doughnut?)" ....
09:34:15  <Stablean> <Anson> but that is a bad joke from people who have no idea ...
09:34:25  <Stablean> <Jam35> jam doughnut
09:34:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> or jammy
09:34:49  <Stablean> <Jam35> :)
09:34:57  <Stablean> <Anson> that food has a hole in the middle ?
09:35:15  <Stablean> <Jam35> the jam would come out
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09:35:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> haaaaaappppyy sunday !
09:35:42  <Stablean> <Anson> *I* can really say "Ich bin ein Berliner" :-)
09:36:36  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi Djanxy
09:36:44  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi :)
09:38:07  <Stablean> <Anson> and concerning the food, beaten eggs (?) or omelette is similar to an Eierkuchen (egg cake :-) here, while it is called Pfannkucken (pan-cake) in the rest of germany ... and thus the Pfannkuchen that we have here are called "Berliner Pfannkuchen" (or short "Berliner") in the rest of Germany
09:38:41  <Stablean> <Djanxy> æggekage ?
09:39:51  <Stablean> <Anson> Djanxy, where are you from ? we just talk about differences between languages, like USen and UKen, or german and austrain german :-)
09:39:58  <Stablean> <Djanxy> denmark
09:40:12  <Stablean> <Anson> that special "ae" would be scandinavian :-)
09:40:15  <Stablean> <Djanxy> so had german in school
09:40:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
09:40:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ææøå
09:41:05  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, that ° which converts an a to an o :-)
09:41:20  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :)
09:41:44  <Stablean> <Anson> Angstroem
09:42:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i like german tbh - words are said like they are spelled (for the most part anyways ;)
09:42:37  <Stablean> <Anson> do you know how many special chars we have in the german language (besides the 26 letters in the "normal" alphabet ?
09:43:03  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hmm
09:43:25  <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's been a while
09:43:27  <Stablean> <Anson> if you give one number, your answer will be wrong :-)
09:43:37  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe
09:43:52  <Stablean> <Djanxy> didnt you get rid of the "double s" also ?
09:44:23  <Stablean> <Anson> äöüÄÖÜ in germany, austria and swiss, but ß only in germany and austria (swiss uses "ss" instead)
09:44:41  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ok, so it's still used
09:46:20  <Stablean> <Anson> they really messed of with that big reform :-( ... they officially wanted to make it simpler, but sometimes only removed exceptions and thus converted ß to ss in one case and ss to ß in another, while not removing the main problem (that people can't distinguish the single s from a ss or ß)
09:46:39  <Stablean> <Djanxy> lol
09:47:13  <Stablean> <Djanxy> that does sound a little dumb
09:48:03  <Stablean> <Anson> we learned the old rule "never separate s and t" ... and now the rule is to always keep it together at a line break
09:48:38  <Stablean> <Anson> there was a second similar case for ck ... when at a line break, it would be split into k-k !!!
09:48:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> heh
09:49:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i thought german was supposed to be one of the easier grammar languages
09:49:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i guess it still is
09:49:44  <Stablean> <Anson> but instead of handling both in the same way (keep st and ck at the new line together), they changed the rule for ck to still split it, but remain c-k instead of k-k
09:49:46  <Stablean> <Djanxy> english is so full of exceptions
09:50:56  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont remember learning about these line breaks
09:51:11  <Stablean> <Anson> if they wanted to make it esier by always doing the same, they should have kept the s-t separate, just like the c-k, and only changed to use c-k insted of k-k ... but instead they changed one to now always split and the other to never split ... creating only more cinfusion
09:51:13  <Stablean> <Djanxy> and i must have had at least 4 years of german
09:51:59  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, does sound like it didnt make much of a difference :D
09:53:29  <Stablean> <Anson> similar non-logic for the ß and ss and s ... "das" (the) and "so daß" (so that) wehere often spelled wrong ... thus they now changed the daß ... but guess how ?
09:54:07  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont dare :D
09:54:09  <Stablean> <Anson> they changed it to dass ... and thus people still need to know the difference ... old between das and daß, new between das and dass ... is that easier now ?
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09:54:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe
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09:54:48  <Stablean> <Djanxy> sounds like it would be the same
09:55:10  <Stablean> <Anson> they only removed the special char ß for that word ...
09:55:36  <Stablean> <Djanxy> iirc, the first couple of years i learned to use the "double s", and was then told to unlearn it and use "ss"
09:55:42  <Stablean> <Anson> but for some words, ß is still used, and thus it is meaningless to get rid of it in only a few words
09:56:13  <Stablean> <Anson> to use the "ss" ?
09:56:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but might have been exceptions that i dont remember
09:56:29  <Stablean> <Anson> you mean to "use sz" ? .-)
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09:56:45  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hmm no
09:56:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> like dass
09:57:55  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but it's been over 10 years since i recieved german lessons, soooo
09:58:17  <Stablean> <Anson> short history of the letter "ß" : similar to the ligature ae (a and e become one single letter), the ß is a combination of s and z in the old german font
09:58:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> aha
09:59:17  <Stablean> <Anson> thus (many many years ago) people in germany often wrote "sz" when the typewriter didn't have a ß
09:59:25  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, i see
09:59:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> well as i remember, we were told to replace it with ss
09:59:58  <Stablean> <Anson> but that really isn't used any longer for ages now, and the only problem is between ß and ss
10:00:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> maybe because of the "dass" example you gave
10:01:03  <Stablean> <Anson> did you ever hear of a fint called "Sütterlin" ?
10:01:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont think so
10:02:24  <Stablean> <Anson> from 193x to 1945, people in Germany HAD to use that font ... except when writing in foreign languages
10:02:43  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, just googled it
10:02:58  <Stablean> <Anson> that was in connection with the s and z becoming ß, and similar
10:03:18  <Stablean> <Anson> in that font, there also were two different letters for s !!!
10:03:44  <Stablean> <Anson> one s in the middle of syllables, and one s at the end
10:05:00  <Stablean> <Anson> i can read that font, but it takes a while ... like first or second class in school when they learn to read and write :-)
10:05:03  <Stablean> <Djanxy> It also had the long s (ſ), as well as several standard ligatures such as (f-f), (ſ-t), (s-t), and of course ß (ſ-z or ſ-s).
10:05:25  <Stablean> <Djanxy> alright, it could actually handle the special letters
10:05:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> wanted to test ;)
10:06:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but it's not something I remember hearing about
10:06:28  <Stablean> <Anson> the f-like s was in the middle ... the ligatures of course use that f-like s since it is never at the end :-) ... and the end-s looks similar to a greek letter (theta ?)
10:06:59  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
10:07:21  <Stablean> <Anson> english has no additional characters !?
10:07:52  <Stablean> <Anson> french only has a few, but i think east european languages have lots of them
10:08:40  <Stablean> <Djanxy> nah, english just has 26(?) chars
10:09:39  <Stablean> <Anson> french éèêáàâ the c with the cedille, e with two dots (like äöü) ...
10:09:57  <Stablean> <Anson> spanish has a tilde above some vowels
10:10:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, there's lots of special chars around
10:10:26  <Stablean> <Djanxy> danish just has the 3
10:10:56  <Stablean> <Anson> but eastern europe languages have ´`^ inverted^ and many other additional signs on and below the chars
10:11:06  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yup
10:11:44  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: German has only 7 ... lowercase äöüß and uppercase ÄÖÜ ... there never was an uppercase ß
10:12:16  <Stablean> <Djanxy> æ is used in old english as well actually
10:13:24  <Stablean> <Anson> ß never appears at the start of a word, thus no uppercase version was needed ... except in writing headlines in all-uppercase ... and then the ß became either SZ (old) or SS (new)
10:13:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> like Encyclopædia Britannica
10:14:04  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, i guess it doesnt appear at beginning of words - never thought about that
10:14:24  <Stablean> <Anson> at least not in german :-)
10:14:42  <Stablean> <Anson> remember : the ß really stands for a ligature of s and z
10:14:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
10:15:19  <Stablean> <Anson> and SZ (at the start of a word) would be more likely in polish etc, but not in german
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10:16:50  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi bon
10:17:08  <Stablean> <Anson> bon jour :-)
10:17:14  <Stablean> <bon> hi? heh
10:17:28  <Stablean> <Djanxy> you prefer hello ? :D
10:17:36  <Stablean> <bon> :p
10:17:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> the ae has Latin roots
10:18:11  <Stablean> <Jam35> as with oe
10:18:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
10:18:20  <Stablean> <Anson> bon: we were just speaking about languages and letters ... thus your name was just fitting :-)
10:18:24  <Stablean> <Djanxy> often see that in latin
10:18:30  <Stablean> <Jam35> oe could be Greek
10:18:56  <Stablean> <Anson> i had latin in school, and we never had a letter ae or oe in it
10:18:58  <Stablean> <bon> btw djanxy you going leave your two funny hovercrafts running in circles nonstop?
10:19:20  <Stablean> <Anson> i think, it was only a way to make ae look nicer in texts
10:19:26  <Stablean> <Djanxy> depends if you want me to remove them :D
10:19:37  <Stablean> <Anson> mostly used in the middle ages, by monks, etc
10:20:01  <V453000> !date
10:20:01  <Stablean> V453000:  2 Dec 2075
10:20:41  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, V, how many special chars do YOU have ?
10:20:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i've not seen æ or ø in latin, but only ae and oe
10:22:17  <Stablean> <Djanxy> there bon, got rid of the hovercats :D
10:22:35  <Stablean> <bon> :p
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10:23:41  <Stablean> <bon> heh I see Blazing Horse is still going hmm
10:25:55  <Stablean> <bon> maybe I should replace it with something else just for a bit more humor..
10:29:12  <V453000> ěščřžýáíéúůťďň I can think of
10:29:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :P
10:29:27  <Stablean> <bon> hi v453000 :) how're you?
10:30:57  <Stablean> <Anson> no letters with something below them ?
10:32:40  <Stablean> <bon> ok think I found something..
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10:32:53  <Stablean> <Anson> why can some of the new trains (eg Lost at Sea) not be refitted for passengers, while they still can haul passenger wagons ? that makes it hard to use "full load"
10:33:17  <Stablean> <bon> anson you have to use something else...thats maybe called 'planning'? I dunno tbh :)
10:34:40  <Stablean> <Anson> bon, you mean my network ?
10:34:51  <Stablean> <bon> your vehicle picks
10:35:01  <Stablean> <Anson> that's only a test for the new trains ... no real big network
10:35:35  <V453000> hello I am fine :)
10:35:52  <V453000> will probably take a few days off work next week :>
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10:38:17  <Stablean> <bon> heh ok
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10:39:37  <Stablean> <bon> bit funny maglev but eh... :)
10:40:15  <Stablean> <bon> anon if you wanted 'ship' passengers you should had been using the other boat .. not the one that looks like a tugboat .. but mm yeah
10:40:29  <Stablean> <bon> and btw yours look weird without water under it but I guess this is just a game tho :p
10:41:16  <V453000> ships without water will reduce stats
10:41:23  <V453000> fyi
10:41:41  <Stablean> <bon> oh hmm you're right... 69kph did seem slower than I thought
10:42:49  <V453000> changelog says it :)
10:43:03  <V453000> wiki will too, when I add it there :D
10:43:15  <Stablean> <bon> mm what wiki?
10:43:50  <V453000>
10:43:57  <Stablean> <Anson> i heard that there will be a new wiki when we get version 6 ... version 5.9 is only half the work ...
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10:44:33  <V453000> which is probably going to be a lie as 0.6.0 will be just a bugfix release to fix the minor bugs with ships
10:44:37  <Stablean> <bon> oh just that vehicle
10:44:39  <V453000> 0.6.1 will bring big things again
10:45:03  <V453000> vehicle chart + other info below :)
10:45:17  <Stablean> <bon> doesn't look like a changelog  at all unless its a hidden link
10:45:44  <V453000> no thats wiki
10:45:53  <V453000> you can view changelog through openttd
10:46:04  <V453000> newgrfs - find nuts - click on changelog
10:46:22  <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game
10:46:43  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
10:46:49  <Stablean> <bon> hi happy trans
10:47:07  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 well if its not on the wiki or any other pages then I can't quite look sorry :)
10:47:29  <V453000> what?
10:47:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> go to the settings dropdown, choose newgrf settings
10:47:38  <Stablean> <Djanxy> click NUTS
10:47:41  <Stablean> <Djanxy> click changelog
10:47:47  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  v
10:47:57  <V453000> hello
10:48:02  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy and wheres a more proper version I can read in either browser or notepad? ;)
10:48:20  <V453000> nowhere
10:48:23  <Stablean> <bon> so like I said..nm it and thanks anyway
10:48:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> not sure why you feel the need to
10:48:34  <V453000> ^
10:48:41  <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's like 10 lines
10:48:52  <Stablean> <bon> just don't understand so nevermind like I said
10:49:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> v   i  for got  my  paasword     forr  my  company can u  mov me in to my company
10:49:17  <V453000> !players
10:49:20  <Stablean> V453000: Client 163 is Jam35, a spectator
10:49:20  <Stablean> V453000: Client 158 is Big Meech, a spectator
10:49:20  <Stablean> V453000: Client 169 (Pink) is Anson, in company 7 (Anson Transport)
10:49:20  <Stablean> V453000: Client 173 (Orange) is Djanxy, in company 1 (Djanxy Transport)
10:49:20  <Stablean> V453000: Client 175 (Blue) is bon, in company 2 (Sailing Your Cargos (SYC))
10:49:22  <Stablean> V453000: Client 179 is Player, a spectator
10:49:22  <Stablean> V453000: Client 181 is happy tran  sport, a spectator
10:49:25  <V453000> !rcon move 181 5
10:49:25  <Stablean> V453000: ‎*** happy tran  sport has joined company #5
10:49:35  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks   v
10:49:40  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to VicAche
10:49:53  <V453000> bon why would you need changelog readable on website or notepad? ._.
10:49:59  <Stablean> <VicAche> is there any compagny I could play with ?
10:50:36  <V453000> you are welcome happy
10:51:15  <Stablean> <VicAche> how do I get the password ?
10:57:55  <Stablean> <VicAche> I can't manage to join a compagny...
10:58:22  <Stablean> <bon> happy tran so like I was mentioning the other's your thundering kisses going? :) hehe
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11:01:53  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy btw I'm not sure but I think the steady industry production seem helpful because it lets you plan more or less fixed traffics...that is no worry about having to use six trains one year then suddenly only have enough output for 3-4 trains next year due to economy change
11:02:00  <Stablean> <bon> what you think as well?
11:02:36  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, it sort of is
11:02:58  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but dont know what i like best really
11:04:06  <Stablean> <bon> yeah...I guess it depends what kind of network you like to design
11:04:08  <Stablean> <bon> :)
11:04:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> surely makes it easier when fiddling with this refit stuff :D
11:04:24  <Stablean> <bon> heh thats true :p
11:04:31  <Stablean> <bon> I'm still wondering about that..maybe on next map
11:05:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> im sure my station designs are very inferior, but they get the job done for now
11:05:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> was also for playing a bit with conditional order jumps
11:06:53  <Stablean> <bon> I'm sure I'll be able to get a more uniform network in next game too ... its just a lot of individual loops with only a few industries atm here
11:07:03  <Stablean> <bon> at least I did manage to mix scrap+recycle routes together for now
11:07:09  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D
11:08:04  <Stablean> <bon> btw the Recycling Depot are a bit funny...
11:08:10  <Stablean> <Djanxy> with these fixed productions, it could be feasible to run 2 cargos on one train (like grain and beets from my farm), but unfortunately you cant refit to 2 different cargos through the orders
11:08:16  <Stablean> <bon> the more you grow your town the more load you have to take out
11:08:26  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ah
11:10:24  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but it's pretty funny playing with the orders. My farm trains go to biorefinery, refit chemicals, leaves the chemicals if they dont load over 80%, refit farm supplies and go to my Kiln and then back to farm. If they load over 80% they go to timber yard and then to farm, skipping the kiln.
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11:16:23  <Stablean> <bon> yeah
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11:34:01  <Stablean> <ars> hi
11:34:27  <Stablean> <ars> iTKerry
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11:37:06  <V453000> ok
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12:01:39  <Stablean> <bon> wb djanxy as usual :)
12:01:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :)
12:02:07  <Stablean> <bon> btw check the buy list...
12:02:14  <Stablean> <bon> theres a watery slug!
12:02:16  <Stablean> <bon> :p
12:02:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh :D
12:02:52  <Stablean> <bon> hard to say which two are really the best tho... either C4T with more kn but less hp .. or the splug with less kn but more hp
12:02:55  <Stablean> <Djanxy> and a watery duck :D
12:02:57  <Stablean> <bon> similar speed
12:03:52  <Stablean> <bon> hm I'll try convert my long distance boat and see what goes
12:04:15  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ah, i see what the "eats cargo" does
12:04:30  <Stablean> <Anson> you do ? what ?
12:04:37  <Stablean> <Djanxy> or im guessing
12:04:49  <Stablean> <Anson> i couldn't detect any reduction in cargo during a 4 month trip ...
12:05:15  <Stablean> <bon> hmm or know what nevermind..I need to eat in a moment anyway
12:05:17  <V453000> Anson your reading skills are remarkable
12:05:19  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe only some kind of wording the fact that cargho ages faster ß
12:05:21  <Stablean> <bon> I may actually try it in new game
12:05:45  <Stablean> <Djanxy> it says "increased cargo aging rate" - so i guess that it's the money you recieve compared to travel time that diminishes ?
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12:06:44  <V453000> exactly
12:06:47  <Stablean> <Anson> when i first read it, i took it literally : i expected the amount of cargo to be reduced
12:06:53  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah same :D
12:07:07  <BiG_MeEcH> I like that idea better
12:07:16  <BiG_MeEcH> I like having it reach the destination with no cargo
12:07:23  <V453000> probably not possible to code, and not gameplay interesting either
12:07:35  <Stablean> <bon> meech that would be a UGLY idea tbh
12:07:37  <V453000> or well not for refit
12:07:44  <BiG_MeEcH> Its a great idea
12:07:57  <V453000> you dont have great ideas period
12:07:58  <Stablean> <bon> meech ..this is a cargo DELIVERY game
12:07:59  <Stablean> <bon> :p
12:08:14  <BiG_MeEcH> and it ate all the cargo
12:08:39  <Stablean> <Anson> lol ... imagine what would happen if trains really eat cargo, and then starve when cargo is empty :-)
12:08:54  <Stablean> <bon> heh yeah .. and again no transport so it doesn't fit into this game? :P
12:08:56  <BiG_MeEcH> yes, they die on the tracks
12:09:06  <Stablean> <bon> btw just curious about one quick question..
12:09:19  <BiG_MeEcH> to answer your question , yes
12:09:22  <Stablean> <bon> do these WET vehicles have any 90 degree curve restrictions?
12:10:04  <Stablean> <Anson> same as all other trains : 90 degree curves are forbidden on this server, in the advanced options
12:10:55  <BiG_MeEcH> no way
12:11:05  <Stablean> <Anson> or did you mean 2x45 degrees = 1 halftile = CL 0.5 ?
12:11:07  <Stablean> <bon> anson umm then how is red doing it?
12:11:26  <BiG_MeEcH> cuz red is meechtastic
12:11:54  <Stablean> <bon> anson yeah that one
12:15:32  <Stablean> <Anson> it's always easiest to test the speed ... look at sign speedtest
12:16:15  <Stablean> <Anson> with CL0.5, speed is only 88 kph, with CL1 it is 111, and max speed is 120 anyway
12:20:05  <Stablean> <Anson> bon, do you see the speed test ?
12:20:17  <BiG_MeEcH> no
12:20:45  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont you better things to do meech ? :D
12:20:57  <Jam35> @op
12:21:01  <Jam35> :(
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12:21:05  <Stablean> <Anson> sign "speedtest"
12:21:13  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi jam
12:21:15  <Jam35> hi
12:21:23  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how things
12:21:33  <Jam35> I changed your password then V moved you in
12:21:42  <Jam35> have you reset it again?
12:21:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
12:21:52  <Jam35> i'm ok
12:21:57  <Jam35> howru?
12:22:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
12:22:09  <Jam35> ok
12:22:32  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> fill free to  john
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12:22:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> who is John?
12:22:59  <V453000> meech
12:23:04  <V453000> he meant feel free to kill john
12:23:14  <Stablean> <Jam35> John Meech :D
12:23:16  <Stablean> <Djanxy> LOL
12:23:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> John Meech RIP
12:25:41  <Stablean> <Jam35> inflation is on
12:28:25  <Stablean> <bon> sorry was afk eating some more
12:28:59  <Stablean> <bon> hmm so they're affected too...
12:29:19  <Stablean> <bon> oh well I guess that doesn't matter too much for the earlier ships..although at 99km/h I guess that might be a slight issue
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12:30:20  <Stablean> <bon> thats for the expense in that nonprofit loop :)
12:30:58  <Stablean> <Anson> thanks, but it is no real network anyway
12:31:12  <Stablean> <Anson> just testing the ratings etc
12:31:14  <Stablean> <bon> and which of I'm going off for a few hours ... so mm yeah
12:31:36  <Stablean> <bon> anson heh well...since I have too much to sit on heres something to test the more expensive locomotives with heh ....
12:32:00  <Stablean> <bon> there you go .. test the maglevs etc :p
12:32:10  <Stablean> <bon> anyway I'm going for the day now .. bye :)
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12:35:32  <Stablean> <Big Meech> YooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
12:35:42  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  big meech
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12:53:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> refinery costs £43 million
12:54:09  <Stablean> <Jam35> (to happy)
12:58:36  <V453000> buy me two for christmas
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13:33:26  <Stablean> <Jam35> bbl
13:33:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
13:40:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> be  back later
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14:16:04  <mfb-> hi
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14:16:17  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi
14:16:52  <V453000> hy
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14:33:27  <Stablean> <mfb> interesting, we have reasonable ships
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15:25:11  <V453000> swim swim
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15:51:40  <Stablean> <Djanxy> laggy for anyone else ?
15:51:50  <Stablean> <mfb> no
15:51:56  <Stablean> <Taede> nop
15:52:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hmm, wonder what my comp is doing then
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16:16:48  <Stablean> <VicAche> any company I could join ?
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17:37:41  <Stablean> <Player> s
17:37:43  <Stablean> <Player> so
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18:12:53  <Stablean> <mfb> oops
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18:38:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
18:38:56  <Stablean> <mfb> hi
18:39:21  <V453000> o/
18:39:30  <V453000> mfb madding with ships? :)
18:39:40  <Stablean> <mfb> I don't have ships
18:39:51  <V453000> :|
18:40:09  <Stablean> <mfb> limit would be 5 anyway
18:40:20  <V453000> I meant wetrail ships
18:40:27  <Stablean> <mfb> ah. no
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18:45:32  <Stablean> <fedya1478 2> hello im russian
18:45:50  <Stablean> <mfb> hi
18:46:47  <V453000> hello I am not
18:46:49  <V453000> :oooooooo
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19:53:10  <Stablean> <bon> hi :)
20:01:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> you've been busy mfb ;)
20:01:29  <Stablean> <mfb> sometimes
20:03:27  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy...he's the mastermind, what else? ;)
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21:15:50  <Stablean> <bon> hey djanxy mind if I ask something? :)
21:16:01  <Stablean> <Djanxy> sure
21:16:21  <Stablean> <bon> since I don't know if you could spend all of it you mind giving me a bit of your $? I need it for a single bridge :-s
21:16:31  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe np
21:17:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> there ya go
21:17:28  <Stablean> <bon> that helps shorten it by a few years heh
21:18:46  <Stablean> <Djanxy> need more ?
21:18:53  <Stablean> <bon> well..if you don't mind then sure :)
21:19:09  <Stablean> <bon> heh almost there thanks :p
21:19:25  <Stablean> <Djanxy> its max i can give at a time apperantly ;)
21:19:39  <Stablean> <bon> yeah seem to be a hard limit apparently
21:19:46  <Stablean> <bon> and bridge is in now finally :)
21:20:12  <Stablean> <Djanxy> too bad there's not room for a signal between
21:20:28  <Stablean> <bon> its ok..its only for 2 trains...1loaded at a time :)
21:20:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye ok
21:20:56  <Stablean> <bon> look near Grendington
21:21:11  <Stablean> <bon> I was able to complete first bridge but second one needed alot more cash which I got from you ;)
21:21:17  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye i see it
21:21:33  <Stablean> <bon> yeah . . talk about a bloody expensive crossing just because of some silly short bridge length limit :p
21:21:39  <Stablean> <bon> heh
21:22:18  <Stablean> <bon> since I'm not really going work anything else...may as well as give a little bit back too...
21:22:28  <Stablean> <bon> ;)
21:22:31  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D
21:23:13  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont think i'll be building much more - coming to the conclusion that i'm not that crazy about FIRS
21:23:55  <Stablean> <bon> mm I'm still waiting for a fresh map to see what I can really do with nuts+firs but .. I'll just have to wait and see what sort of setup the next map is
21:24:01  <Stablean> <bon> maybe less water body for a change? :)
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21:24:31  <Stablean> <Djanxy> there's usually much water
21:24:39  <Stablean> <Djanxy> from my short experience
21:24:45  <Stablean> <bon> :p
21:25:03  <Stablean> <bon> well at least theres some lands around the middle which is where I'll probably go to on next map...
21:25:29  <Stablean> <bon> we'll see where industries are grouped together...I picked a slight bad corner early on .. wasn't much there for some time other than forests or farms
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21:28:37  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy at least they don't use ecs here I hope?
21:31:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> not that i've seen
21:31:39  <Stablean> <bon> good...because ecs has some "bad" difficulty to it...
21:31:49  <Stablean> <bon> or hmm to sum it up in my way...
21:32:35  <Stablean> <bon> FIR steel mill = you can provide either coal and/ore ore and it'll still output steel as fast as it can ... ECS steel mill = provide only coal and it'll be very slow output plus you're going to hit the stockpile limit (if thats enabled) quickly with a large mine
21:33:01  <Stablean> <bon> so..the fact that you have to try balance equal-ish ore & coal delivery to a ecs steel mill just as one example kinda turns me off a bit badly
21:33:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, can understand that
21:33:53  <Stablean> <bon> :)
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21:34:27  <Stablean> <bon> but at the same time I can see how FIRS with many extra chains can be a little confusing to someone who has only been using original industries for a long time
21:34:41  <Stablean> <bon> to me...sometimes I do still get slight lost but otherwise I've usually liked it
21:36:07  <Stablean> <Djanxy> /itemlevel
21:36:13  <Stablean> <Djanxy> lol
21:36:15  <Stablean> <bon> hm? :P
21:36:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hit a macro
21:36:22  <Stablean> <bon> heh
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21:36:30  <Stablean> <Djanxy> that's for Path of Exile :D
21:40:58  <Stablean> <bon> meh I can't understand this stupid Object Selection thing..its refusing to let me provide a specific alignment at all >_<
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21:46:42  <Stablean> <Djanxy> anyone wih good knowledge of curve speeds ?
21:46:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> doing some tests here with fast maglev
21:46:55  <Stablean> <Djanxy> just to get a hang of it
21:47:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> and it seems to slow down in some of the curves, even when the curves are same lenght as the train
21:47:25  <Stablean> <Djanxy> which i thought it wouldnt
21:47:43  <Stablean> <bon> mm no idea about that kind of thing sorry
22:12:54  <Stablean> <bon> hey djanxy?
22:12:58  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye
22:13:30  <Stablean> <bon> its a bit queet but what I'm seeing is....
22:13:52  <Stablean> <bon> if you have a perfect circle of umm.. 2 tiles (whatever you people call it again) the maglev slows down but...
22:14:02  <Stablean> <bon> if you make it more of oval shape instead it somehow doesn't slow down anymore
22:14:12  <Stablean> <bon> train 49 that is
22:14:30  <Stablean> <bon> tell me when you're watching?
22:14:32  <Stablean> <Djanxy> mine or yours ? :D
22:14:42  <Stablean> <bon> heh mine...tell me when you see it so I can alter the track
22:14:52  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye i see
22:15:12  <Stablean> <bon> see it starts slowing down with less straights
22:15:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's only 1 tile on the sides
22:15:30  <Stablean> <bon> oh...right...good eye
22:15:36  <Stablean> <bon> one sec then :)
22:15:58  <Stablean> <bon> hmm yeah ok
22:16:04  <Stablean> <Djanxy> been testing with different speeds, as that has a say in the curve speed
22:16:38  <Stablean> <Djanxy> seems the fastests maglev (502 kph) has to have at least train length to keep the speed
22:16:45  <Stablean> <bon> btw djanxy..heres one more thing..
22:16:48  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but at 400 ish
22:17:06  <Stablean> <Djanxy> a TL11 can keep full speed in 3 TL curves
22:17:36  <Stablean> <bon> the slug can't get to 265 but it oes make a good resemble of 200+ tho
22:17:42  <Stablean> <bon> oes=does*
22:18:08  <Stablean> <bon> not sure if 200ish is a hard limit for all maglevs or not
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22:19:08  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye, those ½ TL corners will always slow down i think
22:19:11  <Stablean> <bon> hi troy? :)
22:19:19  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
22:20:05  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy the funny thing is the partial curves doesn't affect it at all (you can look again yeah)
22:20:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
22:20:32  <Stablean> <bon> let me try a longer one just to seee...
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22:20:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> check my no 63
22:21:07  <Stablean> <bon> yeah train length isn't a speed limit for the slug apparently
22:21:09  <Stablean> <Djanxy> that's TL 11
22:21:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi all
22:21:29  <Stablean> <bon> mm
22:21:32  <Stablean> <Djanxy> seems CL3 has a max of 452 or so
22:21:38  <Stablean> <Djanxy> for maglev
22:21:44  <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's also dependant on rail type
22:21:50  <Stablean> <bon> hmm 452 is pretty fast anyway so I guess can't blame the game physics :)
22:22:08  <Stablean> <bon> still...the slug shows that it doesn't mind short curves as long as theres a bit of space
22:22:14  <Stablean> <bon> but then yeah its only 265
22:22:28  <Stablean> <bon> hi troy? :)
22:22:34  <Stablean> <bon> just mucking around seeing theres little real to do :P
22:22:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi bon
22:22:44  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> about that yeah
22:22:50  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, running speed tests :D
22:23:00  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> tests, always nice
22:23:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ever done dragraces?
22:23:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to test for acceleration?
22:23:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> trying to get curve and train lenght nailed down
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22:23:24  <Stablean> <bon> I wonder....what happens if a train hits its own tail....
22:23:40  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye, did that once in singleplayer ;)
22:23:42  <Stablean> <mfb> you are aware of the formulas in the wiki? :p
22:23:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, there's a formula on the wiki, I think
22:23:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i am aware
22:23:55  <mfb-> they ignore their tail
22:23:58  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy...did it crash or still run "through" itself?
22:24:00  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but they confuse me unless i see it in action
22:24:03  <Stablean> <bon> ah..
22:24:14  <mfb-> we used that a while ago to "roll up" TL17-trains
22:24:17  <mfb-> psg202?
22:24:28  <Stablean> <bon> train 49 is too long .. lets see now :)
22:24:35  <Stablean> <bon> oh ops..a bit too short :p
22:24:37  <mfb-> 203
22:25:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> the slowest slug also has "dont slow down in curves"
22:25:35  <Stablean> <bon> heh yeah ... look at this silly "endless" circle I got now
22:25:38  <Stablean> <Djanxy> haha
22:25:40  <Stablean> <bon> you can see the head sticking out tho
22:25:46  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye
22:26:05  <Stablean> <bon> lets try something else...
22:26:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> uh oh
22:26:54  <Stablean> <Djanxy> rip
22:27:08  <Stablean> <bon> now you can't tell where the head or tail is here :) heheheh
22:27:08  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh
22:27:26  <Stablean> <bon> anyway be back in a few minutes :)
22:34:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Djanxy?
22:34:36  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye
22:34:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you know you can ship petrol to the Machine shop, right?
22:35:00  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
22:35:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> all 312000 liters/month
22:35:16  <Stablean> <Djanxy> kinda stopped expanding
22:35:28  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, the lazy fase ;)
22:35:30  <Stablean> <Djanxy> got bored
22:35:32  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D
22:35:42  <Stablean> <Djanxy> concluded that im not a big fan of FIRS
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22:36:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's always a nice excercise in refits
22:36:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and refit stations
22:36:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and refit orders
22:36:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
22:36:36  <Stablean> <Djanxy> but got a bit fed up with it already ;)
22:36:59  <Stablean> <Djanxy> you can join and build to your hearts content if you wanna
22:37:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still much to improve on that behalf, but hey, if you're bored, there's nothing I can do
22:37:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> would've liked to 5 mins ago, but I need to get to sleep
22:37:41  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> *some sleep
22:37:59  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ;)
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22:47:54  <Stablean> <bon> back now
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22:48:02  <Stablean> <bon> its silly watching that rainbow go round and round :p
22:48:08  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :)
22:48:12  <Stablean> <bon> but mmm yeah I wonder when a new map will finally start :-s
22:48:15  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye, i stopped doing that very quickly ;)
22:48:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont think it will be long
22:49:04  <Stablean> <bon> mmm going to bed in a few hours...
22:49:18  <Stablean> <bon> even if its still old map tomorrow thats ok I always can poke one more train or something to pass the time with
22:49:20  <Stablean> <bon> :)
22:49:42  <Stablean> <Djanxy> afk a bit
22:50:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> a new  map        start  if  sum wone  dus a new map and send  it to a admin     bon
22:51:44  <Stablean> <bon> happy need to...just wipe companies off and roll back the date to 1920 eh? :)
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22:53:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  not  shor  if that  can bee  dun
22:54:08  <Stablean> <bon> mm well my actual point was it didn't need to be a handdrawn map..just create one and start server..done? :->
22:54:47  <Stablean> <bon> either way I'll say this again.. mfb is a big mastermind ... lot of interesting dual-cargo trains going on etc
22:54:53  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> but    for  me  the best  time  for  a new  map   is     to  mor  night  or   nexs day
22:55:07  <Stablean> <bon> happy trans...ohh sorry I thought you were talking about maps..not server times
22:55:19  <Stablean> <bon> yeah its a bit late now .. I would be going to bed by the time things are starting
22:56:37  <Stablean> <bon> mm hey mjb .. you should look again at your 'FS Hub' station ... too much cargo not being transfered
22:56:37  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> be  cours  ican not  play  in till   to  mor  night    i got  stuf to doo  to    mor
22:56:59  <Stablean> <mfb> all farms are at *4
22:57:01  <Stablean> <mfb> that's fine
22:57:19  <Stablean> <bon> 4000+ crates waiting with a bad rating...but mm its your station so :->
22:57:34  <Stablean> <mfb> I don't care about those FS
22:57:44  <Stablean> <mfb> I need them to boost farm production
22:57:46  <Stablean> <mfb> that is done
22:57:58  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> gn  all  have fun
22:58:18  <Stablean> <bon> bye happy tran
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23:09:45  <Stablean> <bon> oh yeah just remembered I may be sleeping over a bit..oh well doesn't matter as I think there's still ethernet over there :->
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23:18:25  <Stablean> *** TheDoctor has started a new company (#11)
23:20:05  <Stablean> <bon> hi thedoctor?
23:20:12  <Stablean> <TheDoctor> hi bon
23:20:34  <Stablean> <TheDoctor> just checking out these wet trains
23:20:49  <Stablean> <bon> heh :)
23:21:03  <Stablean> <bon> they're more like ships .. can be confusing.. ships-yet-not-ships :P
23:21:29  <Stablean> <TheDoctor> looks like C4T is the endgame locomotive
23:23:48  <Stablean> *** TheDoctor has left the game (leaving)
23:28:14  <Stablean> <bon> mm..going sort some paperworks before falling asleep!
23:28:17  <Stablean> *** bon has left the game (leaving)
23:33:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi MFB!
23:46:28  <Stablean> *** mfb has left the game (leaving)
23:46:28  <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players)
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23:58:52  <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3
23:58:53  <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)

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