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00:04:23 <Stablean> *** Sylf has joined company #3 00:05:29 <Stablean> <bon> sylf can you make any sense of the "variable" speed for the turtle or you're probably just as confused as I am? 00:05:48 <Stablean> <Sylf> what variable speed? 00:06:10 <Stablean> <Sylf> turtles' practical top speed is 120km/h, static 00:06:21 <Stablean> <bon> "higher speed 265km/h' ... and 'max speed: 201km/h' 00:06:24 <Stablean> <Sylf> the displayed top speed is faster than that to improve the station rating 00:06:42 <Stablean> <Sylf> that could be as simple as calculation error 00:06:54 <Stablean> <bon> hmm know what you might be right..i'll stop trying to make sense of it :) 00:07:01 <Stablean> <Sylf> i think the train speeds are actually set in miles per hour internally 00:08:11 <Stablean> <bon> I guess you're the turtle company now :) 00:08:15 <Stablean> <bon> (well...in a sense) 00:08:26 <Stablean> <bon> I do have a few turtles just for fun tho 00:08:32 <Stablean> <Sylf> are you calling my company slow? 00:08:42 <Stablean> <bon> sylf..no... turtle as in these 120km/h things in water 00:08:48 <Stablean> <bon> I wonder why he called them turtles 00:08:54 <Stablean> <Sylf> but turtules are slow creatures 00:09:08 <Stablean> <bon> well..if these aren't turtles then what are they? 00:09:22 <Stablean> <Sylf> the real turtles 00:09:30 <Stablean> <bon> hard shell..four paddle feet ... head 00:09:34 <Stablean> <bon> heh :) 00:09:37 <Stablean> <Sylf> turtles in the water are deceptively fast 00:09:47 <Stablean> <Sylf> or tortois too even 00:10:05 <Stablean> <bon> at least I do know you don't want a tortoise to bit you...quite strong jaws 00:10:47 <Stablean> <Sylf> couldn't be worse than snapping turtles 00:11:03 <Stablean> <bon> ah yes these too 00:11:33 <Stablean> <bon> I wonder what the next two WET vehicles will be but guess I'll find out later or tomorrow :) 00:12:08 <Stablean> <Sylf> more creatures. 00:12:14 <Stablean> <Sylf> that's all I'm gonna say. 00:12:17 <Stablean> <bon> mm 00:24:20 <Stablean> <bon> anyway going for either a while or for the night..have fun 00:24:26 <Stablean> *** bon has left the game (leaving) 00:33:19 <Stablean> *** Christoball has started a new company (#7) 00:33:20 <Stablean> *** Christoball joined the game 00:33:39 <Stablean> *** Christoball has left the game (leaving) 00:42:14 <Stablean> *** Sylf has joined spectators 00:45:27 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol 00:45:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> Just saw the high score chart xD 00:46:19 <Stablean> <Big Meech> my meechieness is infectious! 01:04:02 <Stablean> <Djanxy> lol, the train on my 7tile line is making 60k a year 01:21:08 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has left the game (leaving) 01:21:09 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 01:41:06 <Stablean> *** Sylf has joined company #3 01:41:06 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 01:44:58 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooo 01:45:45 <Stablean> <Sylf> yooo 01:46:03 <Stablean> <Big Meech> woooooo! 01:46:54 <Stablean> <Big Meech> refit ? 01:47:18 <Stablean> <Sylf> yup 01:49:04 <Stablean> *** bon joined the game 01:49:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> so if i need to dupe a train it better be getting a primary cache first? 01:52:23 <Stablean> <bon> geeze 01:52:31 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy is a bit funny 01:52:45 <Stablean> <bon> leaving two ship-trains 01:53:15 <Stablean> <Big Meech> Teh C4T is pimp 01:53:37 <Stablean> <Sylf> 2 stations converted 01:53:39 <Stablean> <Sylf> time for dinner 01:53:53 <Stablean> <bon> converted? 01:54:01 <Stablean> <Big Meech> new stations :D 01:57:06 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (general timeout) 01:57:07 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (connection lost) 01:57:18 <Stablean> <Big Meech> * saluts General 01:59:10 <Stablean> <bon> these cats look a bit silly in the water heh 01:59:20 <BiG_MeEcH> Water cats, new creature 01:59:54 <Stablean> <bon> wonder what the 9th WET vehicle is but going to bed soon so probably will see it tomorrow :) 02:00:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D 02:00:02 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I know what it is :D 02:00:10 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 02:00:12 <Stablean> <bon> what does it look like? 02:00:18 <Stablean> <Big Meech> something! :D 02:00:25 <Stablean> <bon> seriously? 02:00:40 <Stablean> <Big Meech> yep 02:00:50 <Stablean> <bon> so how fast is this Something? 02:01:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> a certain speed 02:02:17 <BiG_MeEcH> It should be a surprise! 02:02:49 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 02:02:50 <Sylf> there'll be 9th and 10th 02:06:55 <Stablean> <bon> well if it can do 140kph with some cars I guess thats good enough 02:09:06 <Stablean> <bon> heh the cat almost didn't like my slopes :/ 02:09:10 <Stablean> <bon> 48kph 02:09:33 <Stablean> <bon> anyway going to bed now tho 02:10:11 <Stablean> *** bon has left the game (leaving) 02:10:11 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 02:12:40 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 02:12:40 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 03:08:00 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 03:08:00 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 03:08:00 <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game 03:21:35 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 03:27:00 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 03:27:33 <Stablean> <Big Meech> with the refit i have to clone and make sure its on order 1? 03:27:51 <Stablean> <Big Meech> and refitted properly> 03:28:17 <Stablean> <Sylf> when you clone, you need to make sure it's refit to the right cargo first 03:44:16 *** BiG_MeEcH has quit IRC 03:45:56 <Stablean> <Big Meech> :) 03:48:30 <Stablean> <Big Meech> anything need work Boss? 03:49:08 <Stablean> <Sylf> yeah, lots. 03:49:20 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I'm going to do my stuff before bed 03:49:27 <Stablean> <Big Meech> then ill be back so if you need something done 03:49:34 <Stablean> <Big Meech> ill review past messages when i get back 03:49:48 <Stablean> <Sylf> turn fruits/grain trains into refit stuff 03:50:02 <Stablean> <Big Meech> sounds hard 03:50:04 <Stablean> <Sylf> run the FS trains at Ginburg 03:50:30 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I can do that 03:50:52 <Stablean> <Sylf> there are couple more bauxite mines near the aluminum mill 03:51:11 <Stablean> <Sylf> and couple arable farms near Sonfingbridge 03:51:37 <Stablean> <Sylf> so, lots to do 03:51:49 <Stablean> <Big Meech> sure BRBR 04:07:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> how do i go about making a new train for neston valley? 04:07:16 <Stablean> <Big Meech> copy and change order no.1 ? 04:07:16 <Stablean> <Sylf> hmmm 04:07:16 <Stablean> <Sylf> it'll be order 1 automatically 04:07:26 <Stablean> <Sylf> you need to make sure the train's refit for bauxite 04:08:05 <Stablean> <Big Meech> can you do the orders for both new stations? 04:08:28 <Stablean> <Sylf> wha? 04:08:32 <Stablean> <Sylf> it's really simple 04:08:46 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I already F'ed up one earlier 04:22:08 <Stablean> <Big Meech> i made 2 signs of XXXXXXXXXX 04:22:08 <Stablean> <Big Meech> is that where the farms are? or have I missed one? 04:25:25 <Stablean> <Sylf> we need to rework the brewery first 04:25:35 <Stablean> <Big Meech> okie doke 04:26:46 <Stablean> <Big Meech> needs refitting? 04:28:06 <Stablean> <Big Meech> does the town need some destruction? 04:30:08 <Stablean> *** Omnix joined the game 04:31:24 <Stablean> *** Omnix has left the game (leaving) 04:37:05 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol 04:37:27 <Stablean> <Big Meech> is the airport a joke? xD 04:37:47 <Stablean> <Sylf> no 04:38:17 <Stablean> <Big Meech> you needed the largest cachement area possible? 04:38:39 <Stablean> <Sylf> no 04:38:45 <Stablean> <Sylf> just 1 extra tile catchment 04:42:56 <Stablean> <Sylf> well shit 04:43:02 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout) 04:43:02 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost) 04:43:07 <Stablean> <Sylf> this isn't gonna work 04:44:16 <Stablean> *** Big Meech joined the game 04:44:38 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 04:48:14 <Stablean> <Big Meech> does that central need exit signals? 04:48:44 <Stablean> <Sylf> let me handle the whole thing 04:48:51 <Stablean> <Big Meech> sure 04:51:13 <Stablean> <Big Meech> curious to why that one station tiles have no signals after exit, only after the exit plus split? 04:51:23 <Stablean> <Big Meech> before the waypoint 04:51:35 <Stablean> <Sylf> It's midnight 04:51:37 <Stablean> <Sylf> hat's why 04:51:51 <Stablean> <Big Meech> ah :D 04:52:05 <Stablean> <Big Meech> sounds like a personal problem :) 05:01:59 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 05:02:59 <Stablean> <Big Meech> :) 05:04:30 <Stablean> <Big Meech> I wonder how those turtles taste once they explode 05:04:40 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 05:05:00 <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh 05:05:03 <Stablean> <Big Meech> Beast within is out 05:05:41 <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol 05:05:51 <Stablean> <Big Meech> roast Duck 05:06:10 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined spectators 05:53:45 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 05:53:46 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 06:03:00 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 06:03:01 <Stablean> *** Dnz-Ali joined the game 06:03:08 <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi 06:05:35 <Stablean> *** Dnz-Ali has left the game (leaving) 07:47:31 *** Maraxus has joined #openttdcoop.stable 07:47:31 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Maraxus 07:49:05 *** Taede has quit IRC 08:03:20 *** TWerkhoven has joined #openttdcoop.stable 08:19:17 *** Jam35 has joined #openttdcoop.stable 08:23:08 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 08:23:10 <Stablean> *** Jam35 joined the game 08:24:16 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 08:24:18 <Stablean> *** Sian joined the game 08:25:27 <Stablean> *** AnsonAndroid has started a new company (#7) 08:25:29 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 08:25:30 <Stablean> *** AnsonAndroid joined the game 08:25:31 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:28:00 <Stablean> *** Sian has left the game (general timeout) 08:28:00 <Stablean> *** Sian has left the game (connection lost) 08:28:06 <Stablean> <AnsonAndroid> hallo 08:32:20 <Stablean> <AnsonAndroid> greetings from my phone... i have 1.3.2 now :-) 08:33:27 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi Anson 08:34:50 <Stablean> <AnsonAndroid> a bit laggy. but it works... now i only need to fi.d out how to use trl a.d how to xrag the .ouse.... 08:35:16 <Stablean> *** AnsonAndroid has left the game (leaving) 08:35:16 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 08:35:18 <Stablean> <Jam35> trl? :D 08:36:27 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 08:36:30 <Stablean> *** Anson joined the game 08:36:45 <Stablean> <Anson> ctrl 08:37:14 <Jam35> figures :) 08:37:15 <Stablean> <Anson> I'm back on my PC now ... before, it was really ingame on my phone, not only irc 08:37:53 <Stablean> <Jam35> I can only imagine that being extremely fiddly 08:38:05 <Stablean> <Anson> still don't know how to use CTRL key on a touchsceen :-) :-( 08:39:12 <Stablean> <Anson> and the second problem is that i can't hold a mouse button and drag, but can only click ... thus: how do i select eg advanced game options, sign list, client list, etc ? 08:40:10 <Stablean> <Jam35> can't say I would bother trying tbh :) 08:40:48 <Stablean> <Jam35> maybe on a tablet with a keyboard but then why bother? 08:40:58 <Stablean> <Anson> wouldn't it be nice to set up a tram network while sitting in a tram ? .-) 08:41:21 <Stablean> <Jam35> only if you want to be on the tram 4 hours 08:41:43 <Stablean> <Anson> 1 hour ... 08:42:34 <Stablean> <Anson> traveling sometimes by Sbahn and tram for a total of 1 hour (and 1 more to return later) 08:43:57 <Stablean> <Jam35> play angry birds ? :D 08:44:14 <Stablean> *** Game still paused (number of players) 08:44:14 <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game 08:44:22 <Stablean> <V453000> m00 08:44:33 <Stablean> <Jam35> mm 08:44:43 <Stablean> <V453000> sup :D 08:44:47 <Stablean> <Anson> at least, i could have a look at the new ships (hallo, V) last night while waiting for the tram :-) 08:46:14 <Stablean> <Anson> i tried to set up a small test network offline, but didn't understand how the max speed works ... how can those new ships be faster than 120 when the wet rails only allow max 120 ? 08:46:41 <Stablean> <V453000> isnt it w ritten there :) 08:46:48 <Stablean> <Jam35> I think it is a false numbe for station ratings 08:47:06 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined company #7 08:47:06 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 08:47:38 <Stablean> <V453000> ships wouldnt be very good for refit if their station ratings were permanently at like 60% 08:47:48 <Stablean> <V453000> with 90% they are much better 08:48:14 <Stablean> <V453000> you obviously dont need to care about the % loaded as the trains are going there and doing their job regardless, but still 08:48:32 <Stablean> <Anson> in the description, i see "higher speed for higher station ratings", but i also see "only 120 max travel speed", and the properties of wet rails say "max speed 120" 08:48:36 <Stablean> <V453000> the actual original idea was so that the eating ships would gain power when loaded 08:48:50 <Stablean> <V453000> then wtf is unclear Anson 08:48:53 <Stablean> <Jam35> Is there a way to reset password? 08:48:59 <Stablean> <Jam35> for happy 08:49:07 <Stablean> <V453000> not sure 08:49:14 <Stablean> <V453000> some way probably is but idk 08:49:29 <Stablean> <Jam35> he has forgotten what he typed 08:49:44 <Stablean> <Jam35> tried many typo variants 08:49:50 <Stablean> <V453000> lol 08:49:56 <Stablean> <V453000> just move him to the company and change it 08:49:58 <Stablean> <Anson> when the rail has a cap at 120, why would i want to have trains that can go faster ? 08:50:08 <Stablean> <Jam35> I can't @op myself 08:50:12 <Stablean> <V453000> oh :S 08:50:19 <Stablean> <V453000> Anson, station ratings are deduced from train speed 08:51:57 <Stablean> <Anson> I'm currently looking at the red trains ... train 68 has a max speed of 201, but since it drives on wet rails, it is reduced to 120 ... what use do the 201 have ? 08:52:24 <Stablean> <V453000> must I say it again or 08:52:32 <Stablean> <Jam35> the station sees the max speed 08:52:40 <Stablean> <Jam35> and it improves rating 08:53:16 <V453000> !players 08:53:19 <Stablean> V453000: Client 163 is Jam35, a spectator 08:53:19 <Stablean> V453000: Client 158 is Big Meech, a spectator 08:53:19 <Stablean> V453000: Client 169 (Pink) is Anson, in company 7 (AnsonAndroid Transport) 08:53:19 <Stablean> V453000: Client 171 is V453000, a spectator 08:53:31 <V453000> !rcon move 163 5 08:53:32 <Stablean> V453000: *** Jam35 has joined company #5 08:53:40 <Stablean> <Anson> ah ... then the meaning is just the opposite of what i read :-9 08:54:02 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 08:54:06 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #5 08:54:30 <Stablean> <Anson> "you should use a higher speed to get higher station ratings" instead of "you get higher speed for a higher station rating" 08:55:00 <Stablean> *** V453000 has left the game (leaving) 08:55:06 <V453000> off to work 08:55:07 <V453000> bai 08:55:14 <Stablean> <Jam35> bb 08:55:21 <V453000> btw Jam35 if you find any bugs etc please write them in #nuts 08:55:27 <Stablean> <Anson> work on sunday ? poor guy :-( 08:55:27 <V453000> searching for it in the log here is a bit ass 09:00:35 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 09:02:19 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has started a new company (#9) 09:04:20 <Stablean> <Anson> when do the new trains eat cargo ? 09:04:50 <Stablean> <Jam35> not sure 09:05:00 <Stablean> <Jam35> have not witnessed that yet either 09:05:06 <Stablean> <Anson> the description says "eats cargo during transport", but after following a train for 4 months, it still had the same amount of cargo ... 09:05:42 <Stablean> <Anson> maybe it is only meant as a realworld reason why the cargo ages faster ? 09:06:56 <Stablean> <Anson> to find the best words to explain sometjing is sometimes a bit difficult when one non-native english speaker tries to tell something to another non-native-english speaker ... 09:08:34 <Stablean> <Jam35> V or me? 09:08:41 <Stablean> <Jam35> I am UK 09:08:51 <Stablean> <Anson> just like with the sentence about speed and station ratings : "A for B" ... easy to misunderstand it : "you get A for B" or "you need to give A for B" 09:09:18 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, then you (jam) can be the judge ? .-) 09:09:33 <Stablean> <Anson> what would you read when you see "A for B" ? .-) 09:09:35 <Stablean> <Jam35> I don't understand any of it :p 09:11:29 <Stablean> <Anson> as i understood what V just said, you get a higher station rating when the speed is faster, although the max speed is capped at 120 ... "speed for rating" ... but i read it as "you get higher speed for a higher station rating" 09:11:57 <Stablean> <Jam35> the 120 is actual speed 09:12:55 <Stablean> <Jam35> for example the turtles: they travel 120 but stations see 201 09:14:25 <Stablean> <Anson> yes .... for the calculations in http://wiki.openttd.org/Station_rating#Station_rating 09:16:11 <Stablean> <Anson> when i say "an apple for an euro" ... does that mean that i pay an euro to get an apple, or that i get an euro when i give an apple ? 09:16:49 <Stablean> <Jam35> well it could be either :) 09:16:59 <Stablean> <Jam35> context i guess 09:17:26 <Stablean> <Anson> exact same problem that i had when reading "speed for rating" 09:17:36 <Stablean> <Jam35> an euro sounds weird 09:17:42 <Stablean> <Jam35> we would say a euro 09:18:10 <Stablean> <Anson> i thought that i would get more speed when a station has a higher rating, but instead the station rating profits from the max speed 09:19:52 <Stablean> <Anson> in school, we learned that a turns into an, when two vowels would follow each other, or doesn't euro start with a vowel when you pronounce it juro ? .-) 09:20:30 <Stablean> <Jam35> that is generally true but I guess there are exceptions 09:20:46 <Stablean> <Jam35> would sound like a neuro 09:21:24 <Stablean> <Jam35> same for a unicorn 09:21:27 <Stablean> <Jam35> same sound 09:21:29 <Stablean> <Anson> we pronounce euro more like "oiroh" :-) 09:21:33 <Stablean> <Jam35> not an unicorn 09:21:48 <Stablean> <Jam35> like 'you row@ 09:21:50 <Stablean> <Jam35> ish 09:22:18 <Stablean> <Anson> ok, then it is because of the "junicorn" and "jouro" pronounciation that the a staty an a 09:22:34 <Stablean> <Jam35> not quite but works the same 09:23:04 <Stablean> <Jam35> pronouced like' you' sounds 09:23:10 <Stablean> <Jam35> no J's 09:23:13 <Stablean> <Jam35> like jam jar 09:23:20 <Stablean> <Anson> now we have the same word (euro) in many languages, but it still is not the same ... 09:23:54 <Stablean> <Jam35> the' eu' part is similar to' y' sound 09:24:24 <Stablean> <Jam35> a yacht 09:24:28 <Stablean> <Jam35> a yellow thing 09:24:38 <Stablean> <Jam35> a yeuro 09:24:42 <Stablean> <Anson> the continent is "You Rope" for you, while it is "Oi Ropa" for me .-) 09:25:12 <Stablean> <Jam35> right :) 09:25:15 <Stablean> <Jam35> yeurope 09:25:45 <Stablean> <Anson> and thus "a yeuro" and "an oi roh" 09:26:31 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, old joke : what is the biggest difference between UK and USA ? 09:26:42 <Stablean> <Jam35> err idk :) 09:26:44 <Stablean> <Anson> their common language 09:26:51 <Stablean> <Jam35> right :) 09:27:21 <Stablean> <Anson> baggage-luggage, lift, truck, .... 09:27:39 <Stablean> <Jam35> ass arse 09:28:05 <Stablean> <Anson> we have the same problem with all our regional dialects, and even more so if you look at the austrian language 09:28:52 <Stablean> <Jam35> I guess the same for most languages 09:29:18 <Stablean> <Anson> literally translated, some people call potatoes "earth-apples" 09:29:29 <Stablean> <Jam35> pomme de terre 09:29:39 <Stablean> <Anson> but even more difficult like "paradeiser" for tomatoes 09:30:09 <Stablean> <Anson> nobody in germany will understand that austrian vegatable name 09:30:31 <Stablean> <Anson> you know franfurter and wiener (sausages) ? 09:30:42 <Stablean> <Anson> * frank 09:30:52 <Stablean> <Jam35> yes :) 09:31:06 <Stablean> <Jam35> hot dogs? 09:31:21 <Stablean> <Anson> there is a slight difference between them, but in frankfurt and wien, there is only one type of them 09:31:55 <Stablean> <Anson> hot dog is the whole thing, with the bread !? 09:32:25 <Stablean> <Anson> btw: Ich bin ein Berliner ... you know that sentence ? 09:32:39 <Stablean> <Jam35> i suppose but can mean just the canned crap 09:32:41 <Stablean> <Jam35> yes 09:33:20 <Stablean> <Anson> some people make a joke, that Kennedy said "i am a jelly donut (doughnut?)" .... 09:34:15 <Stablean> <Anson> but that is a bad joke from people who have no idea ... 09:34:25 <Stablean> <Jam35> jam doughnut 09:34:47 <Stablean> <Jam35> or jammy 09:34:49 <Stablean> <Jam35> :) 09:34:57 <Stablean> <Anson> that food has a hole in the middle ? 09:35:15 <Stablean> <Jam35> the jam would come out 09:35:15 <Stablean> *** Djanxy joined the game 09:35:35 <Stablean> <Djanxy> haaaaaappppyy sunday ! 09:35:42 <Stablean> <Anson> *I* can really say "Ich bin ein Berliner" :-) 09:36:36 <Stablean> <Jam35> hi Djanxy 09:36:44 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi :) 09:38:07 <Stablean> <Anson> and concerning the food, beaten eggs (?) or omelette is similar to an Eierkuchen (egg cake :-) here, while it is called Pfannkucken (pan-cake) in the rest of germany ... and thus the Pfannkuchen that we have here are called "Berliner Pfannkuchen" (or short "Berliner") in the rest of Germany 09:38:41 <Stablean> <Djanxy> æggekage ? 09:39:51 <Stablean> <Anson> Djanxy, where are you from ? we just talk about differences between languages, like USen and UKen, or german and austrain german :-) 09:39:58 <Stablean> <Djanxy> denmark 09:40:12 <Stablean> <Anson> that special "ae" would be scandinavian :-) 09:40:15 <Stablean> <Djanxy> so had german in school 09:40:21 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah 09:40:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ææøå 09:41:05 <Stablean> <Anson> yes, that ° which converts an a to an o :-) 09:41:20 <Stablean> <Djanxy> :) 09:41:44 <Stablean> <Anson> Angstroem 09:42:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> i like german tbh - words are said like they are spelled (for the most part anyways ;) 09:42:37 <Stablean> <Anson> do you know how many special chars we have in the german language (besides the 26 letters in the "normal" alphabet ? 09:43:03 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hmm 09:43:25 <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's been a while 09:43:27 <Stablean> <Anson> if you give one number, your answer will be wrong :-) 09:43:37 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe 09:43:52 <Stablean> <Djanxy> didnt you get rid of the "double s" also ? 09:44:23 <Stablean> <Anson> äöüÄÖÜ in germany, austria and swiss, but ß only in germany and austria (swiss uses "ss" instead) 09:44:41 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ok, so it's still used 09:46:20 <Stablean> <Anson> they really messed of with that big reform :-( ... they officially wanted to make it simpler, but sometimes only removed exceptions and thus converted ß to ss in one case and ss to ß in another, while not removing the main problem (that people can't distinguish the single s from a ss or ß) 09:46:39 <Stablean> <Djanxy> lol 09:47:13 <Stablean> <Djanxy> that does sound a little dumb 09:48:03 <Stablean> <Anson> we learned the old rule "never separate s and t" ... and now the rule is to always keep it together at a line break 09:48:38 <Stablean> <Anson> there was a second similar case for ck ... when at a line break, it would be split into k-k !!! 09:48:49 <Stablean> <Djanxy> heh 09:49:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> i thought german was supposed to be one of the easier grammar languages 09:49:29 <Stablean> <Djanxy> i guess it still is 09:49:44 <Stablean> <Anson> but instead of handling both in the same way (keep st and ck at the new line together), they changed the rule for ck to still split it, but remain c-k instead of k-k 09:49:46 <Stablean> <Djanxy> english is so full of exceptions 09:50:56 <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont remember learning about these line breaks 09:51:11 <Stablean> <Anson> if they wanted to make it esier by always doing the same, they should have kept the s-t separate, just like the c-k, and only changed to use c-k insted of k-k ... but instead they changed one to now always split and the other to never split ... creating only more cinfusion 09:51:13 <Stablean> <Djanxy> and i must have had at least 4 years of german 09:51:59 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, does sound like it didnt make much of a difference :D 09:53:29 <Stablean> <Anson> similar non-logic for the ß and ss and s ... "das" (the) and "so daß" (so that) wehere often spelled wrong ... thus they now changed the daß ... but guess how ? 09:54:07 <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont dare :D 09:54:09 <Stablean> <Anson> they changed it to dass ... and thus people still need to know the difference ... old between das and daß, new between das and dass ... is that easier now ? 09:54:19 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 09:54:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe 09:54:30 <Stablean> *** Anson has joined spectators 09:54:46 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #9 09:54:48 <Stablean> <Djanxy> sounds like it would be the same 09:55:10 <Stablean> <Anson> they only removed the special char ß for that word ... 09:55:36 <Stablean> <Djanxy> iirc, the first couple of years i learned to use the "double s", and was then told to unlearn it and use "ss" 09:55:42 <Stablean> <Anson> but for some words, ß is still used, and thus it is meaningless to get rid of it in only a few words 09:56:13 <Stablean> <Anson> to use the "ss" ? 09:56:19 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but might have been exceptions that i dont remember 09:56:29 <Stablean> <Anson> you mean to "use sz" ? .-) 09:56:33 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 09:56:45 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hmm no 09:56:49 <Stablean> <Djanxy> like dass 09:57:55 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but it's been over 10 years since i recieved german lessons, soooo 09:58:17 <Stablean> <Anson> short history of the letter "ß" : similar to the ligature ae (a and e become one single letter), the ß is a combination of s and z in the old german font 09:58:47 <Stablean> <Djanxy> aha 09:59:17 <Stablean> <Anson> thus (many many years ago) people in germany often wrote "sz" when the typewriter didn't have a ß 09:59:25 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, i see 09:59:47 <Stablean> <Djanxy> well as i remember, we were told to replace it with ss 09:59:58 <Stablean> <Anson> but that really isn't used any longer for ages now, and the only problem is between ß and ss 10:00:05 <Stablean> <Djanxy> maybe because of the "dass" example you gave 10:01:03 <Stablean> <Anson> did you ever hear of a fint called "Sütterlin" ? 10:01:34 <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont think so 10:02:24 <Stablean> <Anson> from 193x to 1945, people in Germany HAD to use that font ... except when writing in foreign languages 10:02:43 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, just googled it 10:02:58 <Stablean> <Anson> that was in connection with the s and z becoming ß, and similar 10:03:18 <Stablean> <Anson> in that font, there also were two different letters for s !!! 10:03:44 <Stablean> <Anson> one s in the middle of syllables, and one s at the end 10:05:00 <Stablean> <Anson> i can read that font, but it takes a while ... like first or second class in school when they learn to read and write :-) 10:05:03 <Stablean> <Djanxy> It also had the long s (ſ), as well as several standard ligatures such as (f-f), (ſ-t), (s-t), and of course ß (ſ-z or ſ-s). 10:05:25 <Stablean> <Djanxy> alright, it could actually handle the special letters 10:05:35 <Stablean> <Djanxy> wanted to test ;) 10:06:22 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but it's not something I remember hearing about 10:06:28 <Stablean> <Anson> the f-like s was in the middle ... the ligatures of course use that f-like s since it is never at the end :-) ... and the end-s looks similar to a greek letter (theta ?) 10:06:59 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah 10:07:21 <Stablean> <Anson> english has no additional characters !? 10:07:52 <Stablean> <Anson> french only has a few, but i think east european languages have lots of them 10:08:40 <Stablean> <Djanxy> nah, english just has 26(?) chars 10:09:39 <Stablean> <Anson> french éèêáàâ the c with the cedille, e with two dots (like äöü) ... 10:09:57 <Stablean> <Anson> spanish has a tilde above some vowels 10:10:19 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, there's lots of special chars around 10:10:26 <Stablean> <Djanxy> danish just has the 3 10:10:56 <Stablean> <Anson> but eastern europe languages have ´`^ inverted^ and many other additional signs on and below the chars 10:11:06 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yup 10:11:44 <Stablean> <Anson> btw: German has only 7 ... lowercase äöüß and uppercase ÄÖÜ ... there never was an uppercase ß 10:12:16 <Stablean> <Djanxy> æ is used in old english as well actually 10:13:24 <Stablean> <Anson> ß never appears at the start of a word, thus no uppercase version was needed ... except in writing headlines in all-uppercase ... and then the ß became either SZ (old) or SS (new) 10:13:34 <Stablean> <Djanxy> like Encyclopædia Britannica 10:14:04 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, i guess it doesnt appear at beginning of words - never thought about that 10:14:24 <Stablean> <Anson> at least not in german :-) 10:14:42 <Stablean> <Anson> remember : the ß really stands for a ligature of s and z 10:14:49 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah 10:15:19 <Stablean> <Anson> and SZ (at the start of a word) would be more likely in polish etc, but not in german 10:16:18 <Stablean> *** bon joined the game 10:16:50 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi bon 10:17:08 <Stablean> <Anson> bon jour :-) 10:17:14 <Stablean> <bon> hi? heh 10:17:28 <Stablean> <Djanxy> you prefer hello ? :D 10:17:36 <Stablean> <bon> :p 10:17:59 <Stablean> <Jam35> the ae has Latin roots 10:18:11 <Stablean> <Jam35> as with oe 10:18:18 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah 10:18:20 <Stablean> <Anson> bon: we were just speaking about languages and letters ... thus your name was just fitting :-) 10:18:24 <Stablean> <Djanxy> often see that in latin 10:18:30 <Stablean> <Jam35> oe could be Greek 10:18:56 <Stablean> <Anson> i had latin in school, and we never had a letter ae or oe in it 10:18:58 <Stablean> <bon> btw djanxy you going leave your two funny hovercrafts running in circles nonstop? 10:19:20 <Stablean> <Anson> i think, it was only a way to make ae look nicer in texts 10:19:26 <Stablean> <Djanxy> depends if you want me to remove them :D 10:19:37 <Stablean> <Anson> mostly used in the middle ages, by monks, etc 10:20:01 <V453000> !date 10:20:01 <Stablean> V453000: 2 Dec 2075 10:20:41 <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, V, how many special chars do YOU have ? 10:20:47 <Stablean> <Djanxy> i've not seen æ or ø in latin, but only ae and oe 10:22:17 <Stablean> <Djanxy> there bon, got rid of the hovercats :D 10:22:35 <Stablean> <bon> :p 10:23:13 <Stablean> *** Anson has started a new company (#7) 10:23:41 <Stablean> <bon> heh I see Blazing Horse is still going hmm 10:25:55 <Stablean> <bon> maybe I should replace it with something else just for a bit more humor.. 10:29:12 <V453000> ěščřžýáíéúůťďň I can think of 10:29:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> :P 10:29:27 <Stablean> <bon> hi v453000 :) how're you? 10:30:57 <Stablean> <Anson> no letters with something below them ? 10:32:40 <Stablean> <bon> ok think I found something.. 10:32:48 <Stablean> *** bon has joined company #4 10:32:53 <Stablean> <Anson> why can some of the new trains (eg Lost at Sea) not be refitted for passengers, while they still can haul passenger wagons ? that makes it hard to use "full load" 10:33:17 <Stablean> <bon> anson you have to use something else...thats maybe called 'planning'? I dunno tbh :) 10:34:40 <Stablean> <Anson> bon, you mean my network ? 10:34:51 <Stablean> <bon> no..in your vehicle picks 10:35:01 <Stablean> <Anson> that's only a test for the new trains ... no real big network 10:35:35 <V453000> hello I am fine :) 10:35:52 <V453000> will probably take a few days off work next week :> 10:37:19 <Stablean> *** bon has joined company #2 10:38:17 <Stablean> <bon> heh ok 10:39:03 *** ODM has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:39:03 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ODM 10:39:37 <Stablean> <bon> bit funny maglev but eh... :) 10:40:15 <Stablean> <bon> anon if you wanted 'ship' passengers you should had been using the other boat .. not the one that looks like a tugboat .. but mm yeah 10:40:29 <Stablean> <bon> and btw yours look weird without water under it but I guess this is just a game tho :p 10:41:16 <V453000> ships without water will reduce stats 10:41:23 <V453000> fyi 10:41:41 <Stablean> <bon> oh hmm you're right... 69kph did seem slower than I thought 10:42:49 <V453000> changelog says it :) 10:43:03 <V453000> wiki will too, when I add it there :D 10:43:15 <Stablean> <bon> mm what wiki? 10:43:50 <V453000> nuts.openttdcoop.org/wiki 10:43:57 <Stablean> <Anson> i heard that there will be a new wiki when we get version 6 ... version 5.9 is only half the work ... 10:44:25 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#9) 10:44:29 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 10:44:33 <V453000> which is probably going to be a lie as 0.6.0 will be just a bugfix release to fix the minor bugs with ships 10:44:37 <Stablean> <bon> oh just that vehicle chart..hm... 10:44:39 <V453000> 0.6.1 will bring big things again 10:45:03 <V453000> vehicle chart + other info below :) 10:45:17 <Stablean> <bon> doesn't look like a changelog at all unless its a hidden link 10:45:44 <V453000> no thats wiki 10:45:53 <V453000> you can view changelog through openttd 10:46:04 <V453000> newgrfs - find nuts - click on changelog 10:46:22 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 10:46:43 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi all 10:46:49 <Stablean> <bon> hi happy trans 10:47:07 <Stablean> <bon> v453000 well if its not on the wiki or any other pages then I can't quite look sorry :) 10:47:29 <V453000> what? 10:47:35 <Stablean> <Djanxy> go to the settings dropdown, choose newgrf settings 10:47:38 <Stablean> <Djanxy> click NUTS 10:47:41 <Stablean> <Djanxy> click changelog 10:47:47 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi v 10:47:57 <V453000> hello 10:48:02 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy and wheres a more proper version I can read in either browser or notepad? ;) 10:48:20 <V453000> nowhere 10:48:23 <Stablean> <bon> so like I said..nm it and thanks anyway 10:48:29 <Stablean> <Djanxy> not sure why you feel the need to 10:48:34 <V453000> ^ 10:48:41 <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's like 10 lines 10:48:52 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy...you just don't understand so nevermind like I said 10:49:06 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> v i for got my paasword forr my company can u mov me in to my company 10:49:17 <V453000> !players 10:49:20 <Stablean> V453000: Client 163 is Jam35, a spectator 10:49:20 <Stablean> V453000: Client 158 is Big Meech, a spectator 10:49:20 <Stablean> V453000: Client 169 (Pink) is Anson, in company 7 (Anson Transport) 10:49:20 <Stablean> V453000: Client 173 (Orange) is Djanxy, in company 1 (Djanxy Transport) 10:49:20 <Stablean> V453000: Client 175 (Blue) is bon, in company 2 (Sailing Your Cargos (SYC)) 10:49:22 <Stablean> V453000: Client 179 is Player, a spectator 10:49:22 <Stablean> V453000: Client 181 is happy tran sport, a spectator 10:49:25 <V453000> !rcon move 181 5 10:49:25 <Stablean> V453000: *** happy tran sport has joined company #5 10:49:35 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> thanks v 10:49:40 <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to VicAche 10:49:53 <V453000> bon why would you need changelog readable on website or notepad? ._. 10:49:59 <Stablean> <VicAche> is there any compagny I could play with ? 10:50:36 <V453000> you are welcome happy 10:51:15 <Stablean> <VicAche> how do I get the password ? 10:57:55 <Stablean> <VicAche> I can't manage to join a compagny... 10:58:22 <Stablean> <bon> happy tran so like I was mentioning the other time....how's your thundering kisses going? :) hehe 11:00:24 <Stablean> *** VicAche has left the game (leaving) 11:01:53 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy btw I'm not sure but I think the steady industry production seem helpful because it lets you plan more or less fixed traffics...that is no worry about having to use six trains one year then suddenly only have enough output for 3-4 trains next year due to economy change 11:02:00 <Stablean> <bon> what you think as well? 11:02:36 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, it sort of is 11:02:58 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but dont know what i like best really 11:04:06 <Stablean> <bon> yeah...I guess it depends what kind of network you like to design 11:04:08 <Stablean> <bon> :) 11:04:18 <Stablean> <Djanxy> surely makes it easier when fiddling with this refit stuff :D 11:04:24 <Stablean> <bon> heh thats true :p 11:04:31 <Stablean> <bon> I'm still wondering about that..maybe on next map 11:05:21 <Stablean> <Djanxy> im sure my station designs are very inferior, but they get the job done for now 11:05:47 <Stablean> <Djanxy> was also for playing a bit with conditional order jumps 11:06:53 <Stablean> <bon> I'm sure I'll be able to get a more uniform network in next game too ... its just a lot of individual loops with only a few industries atm here 11:07:03 <Stablean> <bon> at least I did manage to mix scrap+recycle routes together for now 11:07:09 <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D 11:08:04 <Stablean> <bon> btw the Recycling Depot are a bit funny... 11:08:10 <Stablean> <Djanxy> with these fixed productions, it could be feasible to run 2 cargos on one train (like grain and beets from my farm), but unfortunately you cant refit to 2 different cargos through the orders 11:08:16 <Stablean> <bon> the more you grow your town the more load you have to take out 11:08:26 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ah 11:10:24 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but it's pretty funny playing with the orders. My farm trains go to biorefinery, refit chemicals, leaves the chemicals if they dont load over 80%, refit farm supplies and go to my Kiln and then back to farm. If they load over 80% they go to timber yard and then to farm, skipping the kiln. 11:14:31 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined spectators 11:16:23 <Stablean> <bon> yeah 11:33:04 <Stablean> *** ars joined the game 11:34:01 <Stablean> <ars> hi 11:34:27 <Stablean> <ars> iTKerry 11:36:17 <Stablean> *** ars has started a new company (#9) 11:37:01 <Stablean> *** ars has left the game (leaving) 11:37:06 <V453000> ok 11:48:34 <Stablean> *** thepower12n joined the game 11:50:17 <Stablean> *** thepower12n has left the game (connection lost) 11:56:43 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined company #1 12:01:39 <Stablean> <bon> wb djanxy as usual :) 12:01:49 <Stablean> <Djanxy> :) 12:02:07 <Stablean> <bon> btw check the buy list... 12:02:14 <Stablean> <bon> theres a watery slug! 12:02:16 <Stablean> <bon> :p 12:02:22 <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh :D 12:02:52 <Stablean> <bon> hard to say which two are really the best tho... either C4T with more kn but less hp .. or the splug with less kn but more hp 12:02:55 <Stablean> <Djanxy> and a watery duck :D 12:02:57 <Stablean> <bon> similar speed 12:03:52 <Stablean> <bon> hm I'll try convert my long distance boat and see what goes 12:04:15 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ah, i see what the "eats cargo" does 12:04:30 <Stablean> <Anson> you do ? what ? 12:04:37 <Stablean> <Djanxy> or im guessing 12:04:49 <Stablean> <Anson> i couldn't detect any reduction in cargo during a 4 month trip ... 12:05:15 <Stablean> <bon> hmm or know what nevermind..I need to eat in a moment anyway 12:05:17 <V453000> Anson your reading skills are remarkable 12:05:19 <Stablean> <Anson> maybe only some kind of wording the fact that cargho ages faster ß 12:05:21 <Stablean> <bon> I may actually try it in new game 12:05:45 <Stablean> <Djanxy> it says "increased cargo aging rate" - so i guess that it's the money you recieve compared to travel time that diminishes ? 12:06:21 *** BiG_MeEcH has joined #openttdcoop.stable 12:06:44 <V453000> exactly 12:06:47 <Stablean> <Anson> when i first read it, i took it literally : i expected the amount of cargo to be reduced 12:06:53 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah same :D 12:07:07 <BiG_MeEcH> I like that idea better 12:07:16 <BiG_MeEcH> I like having it reach the destination with no cargo 12:07:23 <V453000> probably not possible to code, and not gameplay interesting either 12:07:35 <Stablean> <bon> meech that would be a UGLY idea tbh 12:07:37 <V453000> or well not for refit 12:07:44 <BiG_MeEcH> Its a great idea 12:07:57 <V453000> you dont have great ideas period 12:07:58 <Stablean> <bon> meech ..this is a cargo DELIVERY game 12:07:59 <Stablean> <bon> :p 12:08:14 <BiG_MeEcH> and it ate all the cargo 12:08:39 <Stablean> <Anson> lol ... imagine what would happen if trains really eat cargo, and then starve when cargo is empty :-) 12:08:54 <Stablean> <bon> heh yeah .. and again no transport so it doesn't fit into this game? :P 12:08:56 <BiG_MeEcH> yes, they die on the tracks 12:09:06 <Stablean> <bon> btw just curious about one quick question.. 12:09:19 <BiG_MeEcH> to answer your question , yes 12:09:22 <Stablean> <bon> do these WET vehicles have any 90 degree curve restrictions? 12:10:04 <Stablean> <Anson> same as all other trains : 90 degree curves are forbidden on this server, in the advanced options 12:10:55 <BiG_MeEcH> no way 12:11:05 <Stablean> <Anson> or did you mean 2x45 degrees = 1 halftile = CL 0.5 ? 12:11:07 <Stablean> <bon> anson umm then how is red doing it? 12:11:26 <BiG_MeEcH> cuz red is meechtastic 12:11:54 <Stablean> <bon> anson yeah that one 12:15:32 <Stablean> <Anson> it's always easiest to test the speed ... look at sign speedtest 12:16:15 <Stablean> <Anson> with CL0.5, speed is only 88 kph, with CL1 it is 111, and max speed is 120 anyway 12:20:05 <Stablean> <Anson> bon, do you see the speed test ? 12:20:17 <BiG_MeEcH> no 12:20:45 <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont you better things to do meech ? :D 12:20:57 <Jam35> @op 12:21:01 <Jam35> :( 12:21:01 *** TWerkhoven is now known as Taede 12:21:05 <Stablean> <Anson> sign "speedtest" 12:21:13 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi jam 12:21:15 <Jam35> hi 12:21:23 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> how things 12:21:33 <Jam35> I changed your password then V moved you in 12:21:42 <Jam35> have you reset it again? 12:21:50 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> yep 12:21:52 <Jam35> i'm ok 12:21:57 <Jam35> howru? 12:22:06 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> good 12:22:09 <Jam35> ok 12:22:32 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> fill free to john 12:22:42 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined company #5 12:22:47 <Stablean> <Jam35> who is John? 12:22:59 <V453000> meech 12:23:04 <V453000> he meant feel free to kill john 12:23:14 <Stablean> <Jam35> John Meech :D 12:23:16 <Stablean> <Djanxy> LOL 12:23:34 <Stablean> <Jam35> John Meech RIP 12:25:41 <Stablean> <Jam35> inflation is on 12:28:25 <Stablean> <bon> sorry was afk eating some more 12:28:59 <Stablean> <bon> hmm so they're affected too... 12:29:19 <Stablean> <bon> oh well I guess that doesn't matter too much for the earlier ships..although at 99km/h I guess that might be a slight issue 12:29:56 <Stablean> *** Next has started a new company (#9) 12:29:59 <Stablean> *** Next joined the game 12:30:20 <Stablean> <bon> thats for the expense in that nonprofit loop :) 12:30:58 <Stablean> <Anson> thanks, but it is no real network anyway 12:31:12 <Stablean> <Anson> just testing the ratings etc 12:31:14 <Stablean> <bon> and which of I'm going off for a few hours ... so mm yeah 12:31:36 <Stablean> <bon> anson heh well...since I have too much to sit on heres something to test the more expensive locomotives with heh .... 12:32:00 <Stablean> <bon> there you go .. test the maglevs etc :p 12:32:10 <Stablean> <bon> anyway I'm going for the day now .. bye :) 12:32:16 <Stablean> *** bon has left the game (leaving) 12:35:32 <Stablean> <Big Meech> YooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 12:35:42 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi big meech 12:40:38 <Stablean> *** Jacob (NL) joined the game 12:41:26 <Stablean> *** Jacob (NL) has left the game (leaving) 12:53:59 <Stablean> <Jam35> refinery costs £43 million 12:54:09 <Stablean> <Jam35> (to happy) 12:58:36 <V453000> buy me two for christmas 12:58:54 <Stablean> *** Next has left the game (leaving) 13:33:24 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has joined spectators 13:33:26 <Stablean> <Jam35> bbl 13:33:28 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> bb 13:40:59 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> be back later 13:41:14 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 13:52:24 <Stablean> *** Sian joined the game 13:53:13 *** mfb- has joined #openttdcoop.stable 13:53:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mfb- 14:01:41 <Stablean> *** Sian has left the game (leaving) 14:04:26 *** Sylf has quit IRC 14:16:04 <mfb-> hi 14:16:10 <Stablean> *** mfb joined the game 14:16:17 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi 14:16:52 <V453000> hy 14:19:06 <Stablean> *** mfb has started a new company (#10) 14:33:27 <Stablean> <mfb> interesting, we have reasonable ships 15:06:40 *** Sylf has joined #openttdcoop.stable 15:06:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Sylf 15:24:34 <Stablean> *** Sylf joined the game 15:25:11 <V453000> swim swim 15:26:31 <Stablean> *** tirktitneth joined the game 15:30:24 <Stablean> *** tirktitneth has left the game (leaving) 15:31:34 <Stablean> *** Taede joined the game 15:50:18 <Stablean> *** Sylf has left the game (leaving) 15:51:40 <Stablean> <Djanxy> laggy for anyone else ? 15:51:50 <Stablean> <mfb> no 15:51:56 <Stablean> <Taede> nop 15:52:18 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hmm, wonder what my comp is doing then 15:52:58 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 15:53:37 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #5 16:16:27 <Stablean> *** Player #1 has changed his/her name to VicAche 16:16:48 <Stablean> <VicAche> any company I could join ? 16:17:06 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 16:18:39 <Stablean> *** VicAche has left the game (leaving) 16:23:19 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 16:51:17 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined spectators 17:07:48 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#11) 17:07:52 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 17:08:52 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#12) 17:11:03 <Stablean> *** Anson has left the game (leaving) 17:19:16 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 17:27:29 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined company #1 17:28:01 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined spectators 17:29:10 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined company #1 17:36:18 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#11) 17:36:20 <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators 17:36:33 <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#13) 17:37:41 <Stablean> <Player> s 17:37:43 <Stablean> <Player> so 17:37:53 <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving) 17:38:05 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined spectators 18:12:53 <Stablean> <mfb> oops 18:36:18 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 18:36:38 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #5 18:38:46 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi all 18:38:56 <Stablean> <mfb> hi 18:39:21 <V453000> o/ 18:39:30 <V453000> mfb madding with ships? :) 18:39:40 <Stablean> <mfb> I don't have ships 18:39:51 <V453000> :| 18:40:09 <Stablean> <mfb> limit would be 5 anyway 18:40:20 <V453000> I meant wetrail ships 18:40:27 <Stablean> <mfb> ah. no 18:45:15 <Stablean> *** fedya1478 2 joined the game 18:45:32 <Stablean> <fedya1478 2> hello im russian 18:45:50 <Stablean> <mfb> hi 18:46:47 <V453000> hello I am not 18:46:49 <V453000> :oooooooo 18:49:06 <Stablean> *** fedya1478 2 has joined company #12 18:56:20 <Stablean> *** fedya1478 2 has left the game (leaving) 19:01:02 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 19:18:44 <Stablean> *** Maraxus joined the game 19:24:04 <Stablean> *** Maraxus has left the game (leaving) 19:27:32 *** Maraxus has quit IRC 19:31:07 <Stablean> *** Jam35 has left the game (leaving) 19:43:13 *** ODM has quit IRC 19:45:44 *** Jam35 has quit IRC 19:46:10 <Stablean> *** solo joined the game 19:48:46 <Stablean> *** solo has left the game (leaving) 19:51:58 <Stablean> *** bon joined the game 19:53:10 <Stablean> <bon> hi :) 20:01:22 <Stablean> <Djanxy> you've been busy mfb ;) 20:01:29 <Stablean> <mfb> sometimes 20:03:27 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy...he's the mastermind, what else? ;) 20:14:58 <Stablean> *** thepower12n joined the game 20:15:19 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 20:16:06 <Stablean> *** thepower12n has left the game (leaving) 20:32:39 <Stablean> *** thepower12n joined the game 20:33:59 <Stablean> *** thepower12n has left the game (leaving) 21:12:54 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined company #1 21:15:50 <Stablean> <bon> hey djanxy mind if I ask something? :) 21:16:01 <Stablean> <Djanxy> sure 21:16:21 <Stablean> <bon> since I don't know if you could spend all of it you mind giving me a bit of your $? I need it for a single bridge :-s 21:16:31 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe np 21:17:18 <Stablean> <Djanxy> there ya go 21:17:28 <Stablean> <bon> that helps shorten it by a few years heh 21:18:46 <Stablean> <Djanxy> need more ? 21:18:53 <Stablean> <bon> well..if you don't mind then sure :) 21:19:09 <Stablean> <bon> heh almost there thanks :p 21:19:25 <Stablean> <Djanxy> its max i can give at a time apperantly ;) 21:19:39 <Stablean> <bon> yeah seem to be a hard limit apparently 21:19:46 <Stablean> <bon> and bridge is in now finally :) 21:20:12 <Stablean> <Djanxy> too bad there's not room for a signal between 21:20:28 <Stablean> <bon> its ok..its only for 2 trains...1loaded at a time :) 21:20:34 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye ok 21:20:56 <Stablean> <bon> look near Grendington 21:21:11 <Stablean> <bon> I was able to complete first bridge but second one needed alot more cash which I got from you ;) 21:21:17 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye i see it 21:21:33 <Stablean> <bon> yeah . . talk about a bloody expensive crossing just because of some silly short bridge length limit :p 21:21:39 <Stablean> <bon> heh 21:22:18 <Stablean> <bon> since I'm not really going work anything else...may as well as give a little bit back too... 21:22:28 <Stablean> <bon> ;) 21:22:31 <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D 21:23:13 <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont think i'll be building much more - coming to the conclusion that i'm not that crazy about FIRS 21:23:55 <Stablean> <bon> mm I'm still waiting for a fresh map to see what I can really do with nuts+firs but .. I'll just have to wait and see what sort of setup the next map is 21:24:01 <Stablean> <bon> maybe less water body for a change? :) 21:24:20 <Stablean> *** thepower12n joined the game 21:24:31 <Stablean> <Djanxy> there's usually much water 21:24:39 <Stablean> <Djanxy> from my short experience 21:24:45 <Stablean> <bon> :p 21:25:03 <Stablean> <bon> well at least theres some lands around the middle which is where I'll probably go to on next map... 21:25:29 <Stablean> <bon> we'll see where industries are grouped together...I picked a slight bad corner early on .. wasn't much there for some time other than forests or farms 21:26:03 <Stablean> *** thepower12n has started a new company (#11) 21:28:37 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy at least they don't use ecs here I hope? 21:31:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> not that i've seen 21:31:39 <Stablean> <bon> good...because ecs has some "bad" difficulty to it... 21:31:49 <Stablean> <bon> or hmm to sum it up in my way... 21:32:35 <Stablean> <bon> FIR steel mill = you can provide either coal and/ore ore and it'll still output steel as fast as it can ... ECS steel mill = provide only coal and it'll be very slow output plus you're going to hit the stockpile limit (if thats enabled) quickly with a large mine 21:33:01 <Stablean> <bon> so..the fact that you have to try balance equal-ish ore & coal delivery to a ecs steel mill just as one example kinda turns me off a bit badly 21:33:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, can understand that 21:33:53 <Stablean> <bon> :) 21:34:15 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 21:34:27 <Stablean> <bon> but at the same time I can see how FIRS with many extra chains can be a little confusing to someone who has only been using original industries for a long time 21:34:41 <Stablean> <bon> to me...sometimes I do still get slight lost but otherwise I've usually liked it 21:36:07 <Stablean> <Djanxy> /itemlevel 21:36:13 <Stablean> <Djanxy> lol 21:36:15 <Stablean> <bon> hm? :P 21:36:18 <Stablean> <Djanxy> hit a macro 21:36:22 <Stablean> <bon> heh 21:36:24 <Stablean> *** thepower12n has left the game (general timeout) 21:36:25 <Stablean> *** thepower12n has left the game (connection lost) 21:36:30 <Stablean> <Djanxy> that's for Path of Exile :D 21:40:58 <Stablean> <bon> meh I can't understand this stupid Object Selection thing..its refusing to let me provide a specific alignment at all >_< 21:46:25 <Stablean> *** Taede has left the game (leaving) 21:46:42 <Stablean> <Djanxy> anyone wih good knowledge of curve speeds ? 21:46:49 <Stablean> <Djanxy> doing some tests here with fast maglev 21:46:55 <Stablean> <Djanxy> just to get a hang of it 21:47:19 <Stablean> <Djanxy> and it seems to slow down in some of the curves, even when the curves are same lenght as the train 21:47:25 <Stablean> <Djanxy> which i thought it wouldnt 21:47:43 <Stablean> <bon> mm no idea about that kind of thing sorry 22:12:54 <Stablean> <bon> hey djanxy? 22:12:58 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye 22:13:30 <Stablean> <bon> its a bit queet but what I'm seeing is.... 22:13:52 <Stablean> <bon> if you have a perfect circle of umm.. 2 tiles (whatever you people call it again) the maglev slows down but... 22:14:02 <Stablean> <bon> if you make it more of oval shape instead it somehow doesn't slow down anymore 22:14:12 <Stablean> <bon> train 49 that is 22:14:30 <Stablean> <bon> tell me when you're watching? 22:14:32 <Stablean> <Djanxy> mine or yours ? :D 22:14:42 <Stablean> <bon> heh mine...tell me when you see it so I can alter the track 22:14:52 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye i see 22:15:12 <Stablean> <bon> see it starts slowing down with less straights 22:15:19 <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's only 1 tile on the sides 22:15:30 <Stablean> <bon> oh...right...good eye 22:15:36 <Stablean> <bon> one sec then :) 22:15:58 <Stablean> <bon> hmm yeah ok 22:16:04 <Stablean> <Djanxy> been testing with different speeds, as that has a say in the curve speed 22:16:38 <Stablean> <Djanxy> seems the fastests maglev (502 kph) has to have at least train length to keep the speed 22:16:45 <Stablean> <bon> btw djanxy..heres one more thing.. 22:16:48 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but at 400 ish 22:17:06 <Stablean> <Djanxy> a TL11 can keep full speed in 3 TL curves 22:17:36 <Stablean> <bon> the slug can't get to 265 but it oes make a good resemble of 200+ tho 22:17:42 <Stablean> <bon> oes=does* 22:18:08 <Stablean> <bon> not sure if 200ish is a hard limit for all maglevs or not 22:19:03 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game 22:19:08 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye, those ½ TL corners will always slow down i think 22:19:11 <Stablean> <bon> hi troy? :) 22:19:19 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi 22:20:05 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy the funny thing is the partial curves doesn't affect it at all (you can look again yeah) 22:20:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah 22:20:32 <Stablean> <bon> let me try a longer one just to seee... 22:20:44 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport joined the game 22:20:47 <Stablean> <Djanxy> check my no 63 22:21:07 <Stablean> <bon> yeah train length isn't a speed limit for the slug apparently 22:21:09 <Stablean> <Djanxy> that's TL 11 22:21:11 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> hi all 22:21:29 <Stablean> <bon> mm 22:21:32 <Stablean> <Djanxy> seems CL3 has a max of 452 or so 22:21:38 <Stablean> <Djanxy> for maglev 22:21:44 <Stablean> <Djanxy> it's also dependant on rail type 22:21:50 <Stablean> <bon> hmm 452 is pretty fast anyway so I guess can't blame the game physics :) 22:22:08 <Stablean> <bon> still...the slug shows that it doesn't mind short curves as long as theres a bit of space 22:22:14 <Stablean> <bon> but then yeah its only 265 22:22:28 <Stablean> <bon> hi troy? :) 22:22:34 <Stablean> <bon> just mucking around seeing theres little real to do :P 22:22:38 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi bon 22:22:44 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> about that yeah 22:22:50 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, running speed tests :D 22:23:00 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> tests, always nice 22:23:06 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ever done dragraces? 22:23:13 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> to test for acceleration? 22:23:23 <Stablean> <Djanxy> trying to get curve and train lenght nailed down 22:23:24 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined company #5 22:23:24 <Stablean> <bon> I wonder....what happens if a train hits its own tail.... 22:23:40 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye, did that once in singleplayer ;) 22:23:42 <Stablean> <mfb> you are aware of the formulas in the wiki? :p 22:23:48 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> well, there's a formula on the wiki, I think 22:23:49 <Stablean> <Djanxy> i am aware 22:23:55 <mfb-> they ignore their tail 22:23:58 <Stablean> <bon> djanxy...did it crash or still run "through" itself? 22:24:00 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but they confuse me unless i see it in action 22:24:03 <Stablean> <bon> ah.. 22:24:14 <mfb-> we used that a while ago to "roll up" TL17-trains 22:24:17 <mfb-> psg202? 22:24:28 <Stablean> <bon> train 49 is too long .. lets see now :) 22:24:35 <Stablean> <bon> oh ops..a bit too short :p 22:24:37 <mfb-> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_201_-_210#gameid_203 203 22:25:21 <Stablean> <Djanxy> the slowest slug also has "dont slow down in curves" 22:25:35 <Stablean> <bon> heh yeah ... look at this silly "endless" circle I got now 22:25:38 <Stablean> <Djanxy> haha 22:25:40 <Stablean> <bon> you can see the head sticking out tho 22:25:46 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye 22:26:05 <Stablean> <bon> lets try something else... 22:26:47 <Stablean> <Djanxy> uh oh 22:26:54 <Stablean> <Djanxy> rip 22:27:08 <Stablean> <bon> now you can't tell where the head or tail is here :) heheheh 22:27:08 <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh 22:27:26 <Stablean> <bon> anyway be back in a few minutes :) 22:34:24 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> Djanxy? 22:34:36 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye 22:34:50 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you know you can ship petrol to the Machine shop, right? 22:35:00 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah 22:35:02 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> all 312000 liters/month 22:35:16 <Stablean> <Djanxy> kinda stopped expanding 22:35:28 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ah, the lazy fase ;) 22:35:30 <Stablean> <Djanxy> got bored 22:35:32 <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D 22:35:42 <Stablean> <Djanxy> concluded that im not a big fan of FIRS 22:35:50 <Stablean> *** Maggots has started a new company (#11) 22:35:52 <Stablean> *** Maggots joined the game 22:36:12 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's always a nice excercise in refits 22:36:14 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and refit stations 22:36:16 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and refit orders 22:36:18 <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah 22:36:36 <Stablean> <Djanxy> but got a bit fed up with it already ;) 22:36:59 <Stablean> <Djanxy> you can join and build to your hearts content if you wanna 22:37:17 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> still much to improve on that behalf, but hey, if you're bored, there's nothing I can do 22:37:29 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> would've liked to 5 mins ago, but I need to get to sleep 22:37:41 <Stablean> <Troy McClure> *some sleep 22:37:59 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ;) 22:38:26 <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has left the game (leaving) 22:40:58 <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has joined spectators 22:47:54 <Stablean> <bon> back now 22:47:56 <Stablean> *** Djanxy has joined spectators 22:48:02 <Stablean> <bon> its silly watching that rainbow go round and round :p 22:48:08 <Stablean> <Djanxy> :) 22:48:12 <Stablean> <bon> but mmm yeah I wonder when a new map will finally start :-s 22:48:15 <Stablean> <Djanxy> ye, i stopped doing that very quickly ;) 22:48:49 <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont think it will be long 22:49:04 <Stablean> <bon> mmm going to bed in a few hours... 22:49:18 <Stablean> <bon> even if its still old map tomorrow thats ok I always can poke one more train or something to pass the time with 22:49:20 <Stablean> <bon> :) 22:49:42 <Stablean> <Djanxy> afk a bit 22:50:36 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> a new map start if sum wone dus a new map and send it to a admin bon 22:51:44 <Stablean> <bon> happy tran..no need to...just wipe companies off and roll back the date to 1920 eh? :) 22:53:14 <Stablean> *** Maggots has left the game (leaving) 22:53:26 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> i not shor if that can bee dun 22:54:08 <Stablean> <bon> mm well my actual point was it didn't need to be a handdrawn map..just create one and start server..done? :-> 22:54:47 <Stablean> <bon> either way I'll say this again.. mfb is a big mastermind ... lot of interesting dual-cargo trains going on etc 22:54:53 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> but for me the best time for a new map is to mor night or nexs day 22:55:07 <Stablean> <bon> happy trans...ohh sorry I thought you were talking about maps..not server times 22:55:19 <Stablean> <bon> yeah its a bit late now .. I would be going to bed by the time things are starting 22:56:37 <Stablean> <bon> mm hey mjb .. you should look again at your 'FS Hub' station ... too much cargo not being transfered 22:56:37 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> be cours ican not play in till to mor night i got stuf to doo to mor 22:56:59 <Stablean> <mfb> all farms are at *4 22:57:01 <Stablean> <mfb> that's fine 22:57:19 <Stablean> <bon> 4000+ crates waiting with a bad rating...but mm its your station so :-> 22:57:34 <Stablean> <mfb> I don't care about those FS 22:57:44 <Stablean> <mfb> I need them to boost farm production 22:57:46 <Stablean> <mfb> that is done 22:57:58 <Stablean> <happy tran sport> gn all have fun 22:58:18 <Stablean> <bon> bye happy tran 22:58:40 <Stablean> *** happy tran sport has left the game (leaving) 23:09:45 <Stablean> <bon> oh yeah just remembered I may be sleeping over a bit..oh well doesn't matter as I think there's still ethernet over there :-> 23:17:33 <Stablean> *** TheDoctor joined the game 23:18:25 <Stablean> *** TheDoctor has started a new company (#11) 23:20:05 <Stablean> <bon> hi thedoctor? 23:20:12 <Stablean> <TheDoctor> hi bon 23:20:34 <Stablean> <TheDoctor> just checking out these wet trains 23:20:49 <Stablean> <bon> heh :) 23:21:03 <Stablean> <bon> they're more like ships .. can be confusing.. ships-yet-not-ships :P 23:21:29 <Stablean> <TheDoctor> looks like C4T is the endgame locomotive 23:23:48 <Stablean> *** TheDoctor has left the game (leaving) 23:28:14 <Stablean> <bon> mm..going sort some paperworks before falling asleep! 23:28:17 <Stablean> *** bon has left the game (leaving) 23:33:41 <Stablean> <Big Meech> hi MFB! 23:46:28 <Stablean> *** mfb has left the game (leaving) 23:46:28 <Stablean> *** Game paused (number of players) 23:46:37 *** mfb- has quit IRC 23:58:52 <Stablean> *** Big Meech has joined company #3 23:58:53 <Stablean> *** Game unpaused (number of players)