Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 4th November 2013:
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00:20:22  <bon> hi
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00:44:17  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> is landscaping this expensive on all servers or just this one?
00:44:43  <Stablean> <<GriffinOneTwo>> Varies
00:44:49  <Stablean> <<GriffinOneTwo>> usually expensive
00:45:16  <bon> newbies...usually expensive although last map had it flunked a bit but surprisingly noone minded
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00:46:24  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> Is it my imagination or does the majority of the money needed to run in the mountains go into landscaping?
00:46:43  <bon> its you
00:47:19  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> actually tracklaying in the mountains isn't bad but making a bridge over another line seems to require landscaping
00:47:48  <bon> well you shouldn't exactly be building junctions on anything very steep?
00:47:52  <bon> or is that not what this is about
00:48:48  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> my island at least has a very limited amount of flat space so I need to build some junctions on non-level ground
00:49:02  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> not full junctions, just flyovers (bridges)
00:49:45  <bon> tried using the bridge on the old line instead of the new one being added?
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01:00:18  <bon> anyway going for the night
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01:25:42  <happy_> gnall
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01:59:36  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> GOT did you just inherit 14 million of debt?
01:59:59  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> 6mil
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02:01:05  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> When the offer is made to sell for  does the company's loans xfer to you or just assets?
02:01:15  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> I guess -
02:01:29  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> the stuff, and it cost
02:01:39  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> was almost 6 mil
02:02:25  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> So you got stuff that cost M to build for ~M?
02:02:43  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> don't know what it woas worh for sure
02:03:19  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> but I paid almost 6 mil for it
02:03:38  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> Weird it was offered to me for about  million
02:03:48  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> .8M IIRC
02:03:50  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> hmm, thats not fair
02:04:16  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> does it depend how much money the player has then?
02:04:24  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> I declined because I assumed I would assume its M debt.
02:04:26  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> I had to increase my loan to buy it
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02:04:47  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> no debt added other than the cost to buy it
02:04:57  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> OK
02:05:19  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> So next time I get offered to buy a company for  I should accept
02:06:25  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> (This time wasn't for , but I got a previous offer to sell a different company for that)
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03:37:00  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> anyone have 5 mil to spare?
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03:56:10  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> Joe, you left some track parts near Lint borough
03:56:20  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> sorry, it was inherited
03:56:26  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> just deleted it
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03:56:58  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> when are they going to reset the game
03:57:08  <Stablean> <CGW> soon i hope
03:57:16  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> someone will get the opertunity to inherit Open Transport in a few min
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04:42:14  <Stablean> <Ars> hi
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05:52:33  <Stablean> <Ars> you can give me some money?
05:53:07  <Stablean> <Ars> thank you!
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06:00:44  <Stablean> <Big Meech> wooooooooooooooo! bitches
06:23:12  <V453000> hy
06:23:17  <V453000> the meechy one
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06:50:01  <Stablean> <Ars> это легко
06:50:51  <V453000> english only
06:51:06  <Stablean> <Ars> ok
06:51:13  <Stablean> <iTKerry> Yo V
06:51:39  <Stablean> <iTKerry> do u know who i'm? :D
06:51:45  <V453000> somewhat
06:51:49  <V453000> probably not notably enough
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06:52:24  <Stablean> <iTKerry> PSG 266
06:52:26  <Stablean> <iTKerry> ;)
06:52:54  <Stablean> <iTKerry> and my 1st SLH in co-op
06:53:18  <Stablean> <9-Vinylphenanthrene> well then you need to build more :D simple answer
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06:54:30  <Stablean> <iTKerry> :)
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08:15:33  <Stablean> <Ars> рш
08:15:40  <Stablean> <Ars> hi
08:15:54  <Stablean> <AndrewToo> hello. just watching!
08:18:49  <V453000> hi
08:18:55  <V453000> feel free to build too :P
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10:17:19  <planetmaker> T-1000 - is that you, Taede ? :)
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10:17:41  <planetmaker> good morning also :-)
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11:15:00  <V453000> :D
11:15:18  <V453000> T-1000 is a nuts engine :P
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11:38:53  <V453000> !date
11:38:53  <Stablean> V453000:  7 Mar 2141
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13:51:13  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> Any suggestions on how to rid my monorail lines of their kinks?
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13:51:25  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> meaning sharp curves (marked with signs)
13:51:25  <V453000> kinks?
13:51:31  <V453000> oh :d
13:51:35  <V453000> idk, try something :D
13:52:29  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> Tried that, didn't work :(
13:52:39  <happy_> hi  v
13:55:42  <V453000> hi
13:55:46  <V453000> try something else? :P
14:06:06  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> What's the server restart ETA?
14:06:33  <V453000> yes
14:07:11  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> I mean when.
14:07:26  <V453000> yes.
14:07:42  <V453000> I mean yes.
14:08:37  <Benny> ^
14:08:47  <Benny> as in when people want it to
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14:10:23  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> I'm ready for restart now.
14:10:53  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> What do other ppl think?
14:10:58  <Benny> is it the same game still?
14:11:04  <Benny> arctic one
14:11:39  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> yep same game as yesterday
14:11:56  <V453000> I dont think it is about "what people think" but about "what the person who makes a map, and the person who loads it" think
14:12:01  <V453000> the first of which could be anybody
14:12:37  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> Someone did that yesterday I think is their map OK?
14:12:44  <Benny> i was told the server typically restarts when the majority of people playing wanted a restart
14:12:55  <V453000> that is kind of a lie Benny :P
14:13:12  <Benny> i've only been here for 3 days so i wouldn't know >_<
14:13:13  <V453000> kind of because admins generally regard it, kind of not because there still needs to be someone who does it
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14:15:25  <V453000> also, in every game there are people who are annoying and call for restart early just because they feel disadvantaged over others
14:16:53  <Benny> that one person isn't "majority of people playing" though
14:17:31  <V453000> I didnt say "majority" is important :P
14:17:49  <Benny> it isnt? it should be
14:17:51  <V453000> this isnt democracy
14:17:54  <Benny> what
14:18:38  <Benny> obviously an admin will have to restart the server but i cant see why the server shouldnt be restarted when 4 out of 5 active players request a restart with the map full of tracks
14:19:02  <V453000> any reason
14:19:04  <V453000> doesnt matter
14:19:41  <V453000> e.g. no suitable map around is a typical reason
14:20:08  <Benny> of course
14:20:39  <V453000> which is e.g. now
14:23:21  <Benny> would it have killed you to say that straight away
14:23:50  <V453000> I did
14:23:55  <V453000> sort of
14:24:05  <Benny> in a very roundabout way, yes :P
14:26:15  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> BTW does anyone know how someone got enough money to buy a land bridge/
14:26:47  <Benny> build canals in water -> destroy canals -> raise land
14:26:50  <V453000> one of the points was that this isnt a service, this is a voluntary effort we do to have fun. So if nobody makes a map, nobody has the moral right to ask for a new map.
14:27:16  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> thnx benny
14:27:17  <Benny> V453000: ...which makes it a democracy
14:27:27  <V453000> basically
14:27:29  <V453000> but not really
14:27:34  <Benny> V453000
14:27:34  <Benny> this isnt democracy
14:27:37  <Benny> wat
14:27:43  <Benny> that didnt paste right
14:27:56  <V453000> there still is one of few people who decide which map is right or wrong
14:28:05  <V453000> and the person who makes the decision to load a new game
14:28:44  <Benny> yes of course
14:29:29  <V453000> which is more of a tyranny :P
14:29:40  <V453000> the king chooses their helpers and co-kings :P
14:29:53  <Benny> no, its still a democracy
14:30:36  <V453000> I dont think I get the concept of democracy then :DDD
14:30:41  <Benny> a tyranny would be admins completely ignoring the people on the server
14:30:57  <V453000> who said a king has to ignore players
14:31:08  <V453000> kings can be nice and regard his sheepies
14:31:45  <Benny> tyranny - arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.
14:31:56  <V453000> oh god okay sure, yes.
14:32:09  <V453000> I thought you could get it as a total-power king-sort-of-thing system :)
14:32:13  <Benny> you're thinking of a monarchy
14:32:18  <V453000> y
14:32:29  <Benny> in that case we agree
14:33:06  <V453000> I dont think there is any systematic difference between monarchy and tyranny
14:33:13  <V453000> only question if king is a bitch or not
14:33:24  <Benny> very true
14:33:56  <V453000> well then how did we not agree in the previous case XD
14:34:15  <V453000> we were arguing about the system not whether I am a bitch XD
14:34:20  <V453000> for once!
14:34:23  <Benny> lol
14:34:51  <Benny> i didnt know what you were talking about until the end
14:35:29  <V453000> hm k :)
14:35:32  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> land bridges are prohibited on this server right?
14:36:24  <Benny> not specifically, but there's a rule against excessive terraforming
14:36:48  <Benny> and if you have to do the canal hack to build land bridges, you should know better than to do it anyway
14:37:04  <V453000> well there is a limit for how long bridges can be
14:37:23  <Benny> then build on the land
14:37:34  <Benny> imo anyway
14:37:36  <V453000> but if you rape the land too much, admin will come show you how much of a bitch he can be
14:37:52  <V453000> [generally not a good thing]
14:37:55  <Benny> wat
14:38:09  <Benny> admins complaining about too many tracks on a openttdcoop server?
14:38:46  <V453000> rape land = huge tf without reasoning
14:39:00  <Benny> oh i see
14:39:25  <Benny> i did that in a PSG once
14:39:32  <Benny> only ML station i've ever done
14:39:35  <Benny> i cringe to this day
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14:54:22  <V453000> see, tf haunts your soul
15:00:59  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> How do I get rid of little triangles of water?
15:01:21  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> I can make most water into land using the canal trick but triangles of water are tricky
15:01:51  <V453000> you shouldnt be getting rid of water in general
15:04:29  <V453000> if you have to, you probably planned somethint terribly badly
15:04:34  <V453000> something*
15:06:25  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> What if I want to build a bridge across water but one side the shoreline isn't perpendicular to the bridge.
15:06:31  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> Is there anyway around that?
15:07:34  <V453000> if the bridge length allows it, you can build both bridge ends at the dry tile
15:07:38  <V453000> if not, no
15:07:43  <V453000> you planned badly. :)
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15:38:51  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> Is making a new map something a newbie can do?
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15:40:45  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
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15:58:15  <V453000> Newbies Inc. if you read then it might be a bit easier
16:01:01  <Djanxy> nice one V, should put that in the channel topic instead of the current link - this one looks much nicer :D
16:04:54  <V453000> point
16:05:01  <V453000> @topic get 3
16:05:01  <Webster> V453000: Admin channel (ask for op)
16:05:06  <V453000> @topic get 4
16:05:06  <Webster> V453000: IF you prepare map, read
16:05:09  <V453000> @topic remove 4
16:05:09  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome to OpenTTD Server | 1.3.2 | Admin channel (ask for op) | run !setdef after loading a new game |"
16:05:21  <V453000> @topic add For hints on creating maps, read
16:05:21  *** Webster changes topic to "#openttdcoop Welcome to OpenTTD Server | 1.3.2 | Admin channel (ask for op) | run !setdef after loading a new game | | For hints on creating maps, read"
16:05:25  <V453000> there you go
16:05:37  <Djanxy> thanks :)
16:07:19  <Taede> :)
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16:17:45  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> What's the difference betweenthe public server and the welcome server?
16:18:28  <Benny> we all play in one company on the PS
16:19:09  <V453000> the PS is basically the server with good building, the welcome server just a random playground
16:19:29  <Djanxy> on the public server there's also decided on a network plan from the beginning
16:20:09  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> thanks
16:24:35  <V453000> all in all, if you really want to learn how to build, Public Server is the place to be
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16:26:02  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
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16:26:13  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  vinnie
16:26:25  <V453000> hy
16:26:29  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
16:26:39  <Stablean> <Vinnie> fine and with you?
16:26:45  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
16:28:04  <Stablean> <Vinnie> time to add some colour
16:30:36  <Stablean> <Vinnie> can someone explain to me how some companies manage to terraform water?
16:31:14  <Benny> <Benny> build canals in water -> destroy canals -> raise land
16:31:41  <Stablean> <Vinnie> well im gonna destroy that trick in the next game
16:31:47  <Stablean> <CGW> so thats how you do it!
16:32:43  <V453000> I already did
16:34:31  <V453000> !getsave
16:34:34  <Stablean> V453000: OK :-)
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16:34:54  <Stablean> <V453000> new map is ready whenever
16:35:16  <Stablean> <Vinnie> im ready
16:35:20  <Stablean> <Vinnie> but least active here
16:35:25  <V453000> !rcon pwd
16:35:25  <Stablean> V453000: /home/ottdc/svn-stable/autopilot/save/uploads/
16:35:26  <V453000> !rcon load 2
16:35:28  <happy_> redey
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16:35:57  <Stablean> <bon> ehhh..thats a weird timing
16:36:04  <Stablean> <bon> I was about to check what was going on then suddenly...reset!
16:36:06  <Stablean> <bon> :p
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16:36:14  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  bon
16:36:18  <Stablean> <bon> oh...god...not candies and toys again
16:36:22  <Stablean> <bon> :p
16:36:27  <Benny> toyland? :o
16:36:30  <Stablean> <CGW> AW MAN!! TOY TOWN! fuck this then. see you in a few days when next map is loaded :P
16:36:35  <Benny> lol count me out
16:36:42  <Stablean> <V453000> nobody forces you to play :)
16:36:44  <Stablean> <bon> least its relatively flat map so thats a bit better
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16:36:52  <Stablean> <Taede> use opengfx, its slightly better than original gfx for toyland
16:36:58  <Stablean> <bon> oh and I see thy finally shaved down the grf list
16:37:00  <Stablean> <bon> about time
16:37:00  <Stablean> <V453000> opengfx is for pussies
16:37:04  <Stablean> <V453000> real men use ttd base set
16:37:11  <Benny> ^
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16:37:39  <Stablean> <bon> mmm doesn't seem to be exactly much in way of islands but eh thats ok...less hill helps
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16:37:47  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Mine
16:37:50  <V453000> !rcon set max_aircraft 0
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16:38:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice  map v
16:38:40  <V453000> see? finally someone with some appreciation
16:38:41  <V453000> thanks happy
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16:38:51  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> np
16:38:57  <Stablean> <bon> I would like it if there was a industryproduction.grf grf tho
16:38:59  <Stablean> <bon> but :p
16:39:13  <Stablean> <V453000> original industries are best, deal with it
16:39:19  <Stablean> *** happy tran {} sport has started a new company (#2)
16:39:24  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Nice grf list, less is more
16:39:34  <Stablean> <bon> says someone who can't realize running a network of decent trains but nevermind
16:39:36  <Stablean> <V453000> is good enough for toyland
16:39:50  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie...yeah the station list is much shorter which is one point
16:40:00  <Stablean> <V453000> I cant run decent trains?
16:40:02  <Stablean> <V453000> okay :D
16:40:08  <Stablean> <Vinnie> nothing beats the vanilla station
16:40:15  <Stablean> <Vinnie> its ttd
16:40:18  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie..except it looks wrong on freights
16:40:28  <Stablean> <bon> I never understood why they never had more than a pax platform
16:40:34  <Stablean> <bon> but ehh
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16:41:33  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont think you wanted to start a company
16:42:44  <Stablean> <bon> heh vinnie..I was about to build very closeby
16:42:50  <Stablean> <bon> but mm
16:42:56  <Stablean> <Vinnie> want this island?
16:42:58  <Stablean> <bon> nah its ok
16:43:04  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i could fuck off
16:43:10  <Stablean> <bon> I can find another drink factory somewhere
16:43:56  <Stablean> <bon> found another have fun there vinnie
16:45:08  <Stablean> <V453000> you should get 1000 rating to stay at teh top Vinnie :P
16:45:14  <Stablean> <bon> ha
16:45:29  <Stablean> <Vinnie> no company id does it all
16:45:35  <Stablean> <V453000> k
16:46:33  <Stablean> <Vinnie> but is that a challenge?
16:46:43  <Stablean> <V453000> you know how trivial it is to get 1000
16:46:49  <Stablean> <Vinnie> yeah
16:46:57  <Stablean> <V453000> then why ask such question :P
16:47:00  <Stablean> <bon> well I've only usually seen 700-900s but I guess you could cheat on dummy bus stations to inflate the station number tho
16:47:06  <Stablean> <bon> just saying
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16:47:46  <Stablean> <Vinnie> it just felt like a challenge to claim my #1 spot
16:47:49  <Stablean> <bon> :)
16:48:38  <Benny> i never get to anywhere near 1000
16:48:41  <Stablean> <V453000> the 80 stations are generally a pain if you build on a reasonably small island, but nobody says you have to service the stations properly
16:48:43  <Stablean> <V453000> which is meh
16:49:13  <Stablean> <V453000> if % transported played a role it would be a lot more reasonable, except the best solution would still be point to point network
16:49:25  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i take it a small field of 1 tile stations will do ? :D
16:49:35  <Stablean> <bon> at least it does put a heavy bias toward moving cargos with 400 points for that alone tho no?
16:49:57  <Stablean> <V453000> it will, you can e.g. have random passenger stations in towns. As long as a train which makes 10k per year runs through it, it works for your rating purposes
16:50:00  <Stablean> <Vinnie> a station has to be visited once a month for it to count
16:50:18  <Stablean> <Vinnie> and trains need profit so some form of service is required
16:50:20  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie oh really?
16:50:20  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ah right
16:50:22  <Stablean> <V453000> that doesnt exactly mean anything Vinnie, many ways to go around that too :)
16:50:36  <Stablean> <bon> so the number of stations in performance rating doesn't apply to empty unconnected stations?
16:50:51  <Stablean> <Vinnie> ofcourse combine busstop freigth stop train dock and air into one station for it to count as 5 stations
16:51:21  <Stablean> <V453000> each part has to be visited then Vinnie I believe
16:51:27  <Stablean> <Vinnie> nope
16:51:29  <Stablean> <V453000> so it doesnt cheat it that much
16:51:31  <Stablean> <V453000> really
16:51:37  <Stablean> <V453000> well it shares a station rating
16:51:45  <Stablean> <V453000> k, that makes it just that much worse :D
16:52:12  <Stablean> <V453000> I think drops count too
16:52:15  <Stablean> <V453000> but not sure on that
16:52:36  <Benny> not that performance rating ever meant anything in the first place
16:52:43  <Stablean> <bon> aye
16:52:47  <Stablean> <V453000> quite so Benny :)
16:52:54  <Stablean> <bon> I always thought the number of stations required seem a bit silly anyway
16:53:13  <Stablean> <V453000> 80 is reasonable
16:53:21  <Stablean> <V453000> if there werent 101 ways to go around it
16:54:11  <Stablean> <Newbies Inc.> I think I'll check out the public server cya all
16:54:14  <Stablean> <V453000> but if you play with a normal all-to-all network, on 256x256 max, and without using any "station hacks", then 1000 rating is a nice challenge
16:54:28  <Stablean> <V453000> most of the people here are in the PublicServer IRC Newbies Inc. :P
16:54:31  <Stablean> <V453000> so they will see you ;)
16:54:32  <Benny> join irc Newbies. this server has a channel as well
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16:55:37  <Stablean> <bon> heh its a good thing these tiny pod of islands usually are just close enough to a larger shore land to access
16:55:52  <Stablean> <bon> well...except for eg Prardhattan
16:55:56  <Stablean> <Vinnie> spacebars
16:56:02  <Stablean> <Vinnie> try
16:56:19  <Stablean> <bon> fast? you're only going to get up to 130kph atm :P
16:56:21  <Stablean> <bon> hahaha
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16:56:25  <Stablean> <Vinnie> or not
16:56:28  <Stablean> <bon> slow...yeah that could be good for the tug boats :)
16:56:50  <Stablean> <V453000> what who talked about speeds :0
16:57:04  <Stablean> <Vinnie> dude tried to change his name
16:57:16  <Stablean> <V453000> aha I see
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16:57:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hmm, what's cargo capacity on wetrail, forgot
16:57:41  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy..umm...
16:57:47  <Stablean> <V453000> 40 and 45
16:57:58  <Stablean> <bon> I recall it was like 40-50 loading speed (for tug...not boat) ... and at least 40 capacity with the tug
16:58:00  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ok yhx
16:58:26  <Stablean> <bon> basically just about on par with 2nd or 3rd gen rail wagons except for better loading time
16:58:49  <Stablean> <bon> sorry I don't recall the exact values well now ;)
17:01:16  <Stablean> <V453000> well small ships have 40 capacity and 2 loading stages so probably loading speed of 20
17:01:27  <Stablean> <V453000> large ships 45 and 9 loading stages, so 5
17:01:34  <Stablean> <V453000> easy math
17:01:40  <Stablean> <V453000> meth
17:01:42  <Stablean> <bon> oh...I thought it was higher...ehh must be thinking of something else :)
17:01:48  <Stablean> <Djanxy> easy math easy life
17:02:37  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#5)
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17:02:47  <Stablean> *** Djanxy has started a new company (#6)
17:03:11  <Stablean> <bon> whats with all of these 'Player's that have no clue how to use "watch game"
17:03:11  <Stablean> <bon> but meh
17:03:27  <Stablean> <V453000> this one didnt seem to be too interested in watching either
17:05:56  <Benny> "no planes, screw this"
17:06:06  <Stablean> <bon> mm?
17:06:56  <Stablean> <V453000> possibly
17:07:03  <Stablean> <V453000> good enough I say :D
17:08:13  <Stablean> <bon> rofl
17:08:19  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie thats a funny station name
17:08:29  <Stablean> <bon> :)
17:08:32  <Stablean> <Vinnie> how do you notice when i change it?
17:08:40  <Stablean> <Vinnie> it happend 20 sec ago
17:09:02  <Stablean> <bon> umm I was just checking my island area and thats when I noticd a small yellow label sticking out edge so I scrolled further .. and there you are
17:09:09  <Stablean> <bon> strange timing again tho eh?
17:09:19  <Stablean> <Vinnie> yeah
17:09:29  <Stablean> <bon> ah not named anything else yet? :)
17:09:51  <Stablean> <bon> well you could change Tartborough Heights to Soft Swabs Collection
17:09:53  <Stablean> <bon> not sure tho ;)
17:10:08  <Stablean> <bon> anyway brb to eat some lunch
17:10:54  <Stablean> <Vinnie> lunch, in what kind of place do you live?
17:11:00  <Stablean> <V453000> fuking america presumably
17:11:11  <Stablean> <Vinnie> poor him
17:20:05  <Stablean> <bon> mm good sandwich and btw no I'm not an american fuck you? :)
17:20:11  <Stablean> <bon> heh
17:20:22  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Megico?
17:20:37  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie...simple hint: beavers? :)
17:20:49  <Stablean> <Vinnie> denmark?
17:20:59  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hey!
17:21:09  <Stablean> <Djanxy> no beavers here
17:21:19  <Stablean> <Vinnie> you dont have a zoo with beavers?
17:21:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> me? no
17:21:31  <Stablean> <bon> actually but good guess tho
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17:24:23  <Stablean> <V453000> canada is just as bad as the usa, behind that big leak
17:24:54  <Stablean> <Vinnie> no they still have the queen as head of state, they know the real power lies in europe
17:25:13  <Stablean> <V453000> haha
17:25:15  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i guess that pissed him of some more
17:30:22  <Stablean> <bon> mm anyone perhaps recall around when the next intercity came out?
17:30:28  <Stablean> <V453000> 1936
17:31:22  <Stablean> <bon> oh ok...guess I'll do the towns when I come back online later
17:31:26  <Benny> Vinnie: DENMARK?
17:31:34  <Stablean> <bon> heh benny
17:31:48  <Stablean> <Vinnie> yeah i should have said norway more trees there
17:31:56  <Benny> no beavers is canada
17:32:14  <Benny> ive never seen a beaver here
17:32:18  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i know i was trolling, and not saying in hindsight
17:32:28  <Stablean> <V453000> isnt there one intercity already?
17:33:02  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah V
17:33:06  <Stablean> <Djanxy> Firestarter
17:33:08  <Stablean> <V453000> y
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17:49:48  <Stablean> <bon> going off for the afternoon now...will see if I can't make up drinks and toys too when I'm back heh
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17:54:10  <V453000> !start publicserver
17:54:12  <Stablean> V453000: autopilot seemed to have crashed trying to load last autosave...
17:55:28  <V453000> !start publicserver
17:55:28  <Stablean> V453000: autopilot seemed to have crashed trying to load last autosave...
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18:04:16  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  jam
18:04:19  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
18:04:21  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
18:04:27  <Stablean> <Jam35> bad
18:04:29  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Hello
18:04:31  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
18:04:41  <Stablean> <Jam35> no not really
18:04:43  <Stablean> <Jam35> good
18:04:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> how r u?
18:05:01  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
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18:05:55  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> teem  jam
18:06:09  <Stablean> <Jam35> spell team right first :)
18:06:36  <Stablean> <V453000> btw happy if you build your early tracks FAR apart from each other (like L______R not LR), it will help you expand a lot later
18:06:42  <Stablean> <V453000> look at Djanxy for an example
18:07:00  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> will  doo
18:07:06  <Stablean> <Djanxy> well im kinda making a ring though :D
18:07:24  <Stablean> <V453000> ok well then something between Djanxy and LR :D
18:07:24  <Stablean> <V453000> XD
18:07:30  <Stablean> <Djanxy> not really sure how it's gonna end up :D
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18:09:25  <Stablean> <Jam35> I would say too happy, that you tend to put all drops at one end
18:09:34  <Stablean> <Jam35> doesn't help to balance the network
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18:09:51  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
18:09:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> it's like one huge SL to the east
18:09:56  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi
18:09:58  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
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18:10:16  <Stablean> <V453000> myeah that is another thing
18:10:18  <Stablean> <V453000> hi.
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18:10:45  <Stablean> <Jam35> basically all trains go the same way so traffic gets high
18:11:03  <Stablean> <Jam35> better to spread them out a bit :)
18:11:16  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh god, one long pause atm :D
18:11:30  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  was  try to find  a  best  place  for  the  sweet    drop
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18:12:10  <Stablean> <V453000> for example !sweet drop happy
18:12:13  <Stablean> <V453000> would be suitable :)
18:12:44  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  see
18:12:46  <Stablean> <V453000> and perhaps !drink
18:12:48  <Stablean> <V453000> would make a nice triangle
18:13:14  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
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18:14:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> heem    so   i  need  to  swich  the  net werk
18:15:26  <Stablean> <V453000> it would be a good step.
18:16:07  <Stablean> <V453000> I would say it still is worth doingf
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18:26:26  <Stablean> <Djanxy> MEECH
18:26:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> WOOOOOOOOOO
18:27:07  <V453000> OMFG
18:27:11  <Stablean> <V453000> hi :)
18:27:14  <Stablean> <V453000> almost glad to see you
18:27:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> liar
18:27:20  <Stablean> <Djanxy> lol
18:27:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> hey BM
18:27:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yoyo
18:28:08  <Stablean> <Big Meech> what was with last game? So many new people b uilding?
18:28:38  <Stablean> <Djanxy> people tend to stay when you're not around i guess
18:28:44  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :P
18:28:46  <Stablean> <Big Meech> oh right
18:28:48  <Stablean> <Jam35> idk the last 2 games were like that
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18:29:06  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hi people and Big Meech
18:29:12  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi vin
18:29:18  <Stablean> <Jam35> and we had some money cheat noob also :)
18:29:30  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol what?
18:29:41  <Stablean> <Big Meech> xD
18:29:55  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I thought cheats are turned of f ?
18:31:17  <Benny> money cheat noob
18:31:20  <Benny> you mean mark? :P
18:31:27  <Stablean> <Big Meech> lol
18:31:33  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Mark would be the one to do it xD
18:31:36  <Stablean> <Vinnie> banhammer incomming
18:36:47  <Stablean> <Jam35> someone was raising water tiles, impossible to have the money
18:37:13  <Stablean> <Jam35> Sinramen i believe
18:41:15  <V453000> new game on PS
18:41:22  <V453000> building naow
18:41:30  <Stablean> <Vinnie> wow thats fast
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18:43:39  <Stablean> <eirc> hallo
18:43:42  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey
18:43:44  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi
18:44:47  <Stablean> <eirc> happy im comming on your island
18:44:57  <Stablean> <eirc> in the mid map part
18:45:31  <Stablean> <Big Meech> no place else to build eh? :)
18:45:41  <Stablean> *** eirc has started a new company (#5)
18:45:53  <Stablean> <eirc> well half islands are available
18:46:12  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :P
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19:17:08  <Stablean> <eirc> u seem to have forgotten some signals
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19:56:45  <Stablean> <bon> hi again
19:57:11  <Stablean> <bon> hehehe vinnie...geeze....hope you do not run out of names :)
19:57:25  <Stablean> <bon> :)
19:57:28  <Stablean> <Vinnie> already did, googleing after 5 names
19:57:35  <Stablean> <Vinnie> you dont know them?
19:57:45  <Stablean> <bon> most I do yeah..just find it a bit humorful now
19:57:47  <Stablean> <Big Meech> needs bubbleyum
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19:58:52  <Stablean> <mackel> hi
19:59:08  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
19:59:27  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie you could consider Smarties or Aero (Aero would kinda match with a bubble generator tho since the actual aero bars does have that bubbly look to it
19:59:45  <Stablean> <bon> andironically you have one near Tartborough yet
19:59:55  <Stablean> <bon> anyway I need to do some work now :->
20:00:02  <Stablean> <mackel> guys, i've got a technical question:
20:00:08  <Stablean> <Vinnie> 42
20:00:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> what is the question
20:00:22  <Stablean> <mackel> do many ships produce lags?
20:00:29  <Stablean> <Big Meech> they can
20:00:47  <Stablean> <mackel> i had 200 and the game nearly stoped
20:00:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> thats one reason we dont use them
20:00:59  <Stablean> <bon> mackel...well it depends on other settings too tbh
20:01:01  <Stablean> <Big Meech> the ship pathfinder isnt so good
20:01:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> same thing with airplanes
20:01:33  <Stablean> <mackel> airplanes suck
20:01:33  <Stablean> <Vinnie> there are infinitive paths for ships, that troubels the pathfinder
20:01:36  <Stablean> <mackel> ^^
20:02:57  <Stablean> <bon> the server system really that old anyway?
20:04:51  <Stablean> <Vinnie> btw i don't know areo's
20:04:57  <Stablean> <Vinnie> not sold in my beatiful country
20:05:04  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie..ah...ok :->
20:06:02  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> whats  the  best  way  to  swich  the  net  werk
20:06:16  <Stablean> <Vinnie> similar you probably don't know pepernuts spicenuts and marzipan
20:06:22  <Stablean> <bon> happy...if you meant different loco types...well...purrail or universal rail basically :-s
20:06:32  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie...actually we do have marzipans
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20:06:37  <Stablean> <bon> but pepernuts I'm not so sure
20:06:59  <Stablean> <Vinnie> it has to do with sinterklaas, Dutch holiday on 5th december
20:07:05  <Stablean> <bon> mm
20:07:08  <Stablean> <Vinnie> or St Nikolaas in englis
20:07:46  <Stablean> <bon> I did buy some oktoberwurst (sorry about spelling) to eat a few times last month
20:07:49  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  got      my  new  sweet  and  fizzy   factory   drop    all most  dun
20:08:03  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Thats german
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20:08:16  <Stablean> <Vinnie> our neighbors
20:08:35  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> but     how  doo i    swop   the    pikes  ups  to  go  ther
20:08:37  <Stablean> <bon> to having always bought beerwurst .. bratwurst .. and some sliced sandwich meat (some names there I can't even spell! doh) .. etc
20:08:39  <Stablean> <bon> :)
20:08:45  <Stablean> <Vinnie> and their festival stars in august :P
20:08:55  <Stablean> <bon> happy... what do you mean by "swop the pikes ups" btw?
20:09:23  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bon  see  my  sign  say this
20:10:13  <Stablean> <bon> do you mean "how do I get trains to go in at same time?" ?
20:11:04  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yes  i  got  to  swop  the  pike  up  to go  to the  new  drop of
20:11:30  <Stablean> <Vinnie> isn't pike slang for gypsies?
20:11:37  <Stablean> <bon> mm not too sure what you're asking...just set train orders to go there
20:11:48  <Stablean> <Vinnie> shich translates to you trying to move people
20:11:54  <Stablean> <Vinnie> which*
20:18:16  <Stablean> <Vinnie> can you classify pie as candy since it is delicious?
20:18:26  <Stablean> <Vinnie> need station names
20:18:48  <Stablean> <bon> pies? mmm thats dessert but up to you
20:19:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok   i  got  to  go   and  think  a  plan    to  send  all  my     trans  to  the new  sweet  factory
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20:20:00  <Stablean> <Vinnie> thats 2 min work
20:20:36  <Stablean> <bon> aye
20:20:50  <Stablean> <bon> and if he doesn't move fast the empty station may make the factory close up ;)
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20:22:22  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> its  not  the  trans     proberm     its  the    candyfloss     pike  up     the  proberm
20:23:16  <Stablean> <bon> don't understand...
20:23:30  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i think he means pickup
20:23:30  <Stablean> <bon> if you don't serve the candy factory it may decided to close up leaving you a station to nowwhere
20:23:50  <Stablean> <bon> well vinnie theres no dropoff neither
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20:24:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yes  thats  the new  won
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20:25:15  <Stablean> <Vinnie> happy, your normal primairy station with overflow will work fine as a pickup station
20:25:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
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20:26:00  <Stablean> <Vinnie> then after a while it needs more platforms, then try to look on the openttdwiki for overflow blogs
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20:29:07  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> rite   i  got  to mov  this   out  the way  then i can doo a slh
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20:43:31  <Stablean> <bon> geeze...that almost went out of my budget range re new pax line...haha :-s
20:46:21  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  now  got  2  candyforest   to  redo
20:47:39  <Stablean> <bon> theres something a bit odd...wheres the bus? first thing in buy list is mail truck
20:49:07  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie does your rv buy list only show a mail truck at top of the list as well?
20:50:52  <Taede> is your filter still set to mail perhaps?
20:51:03  <Stablean> <bon> nope its always been to 'everything'
20:51:04  <Taede> show only vehicles that can carry: mail ?
20:51:09  <Taede> :)
20:51:31  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie?
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20:52:16  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> i see the full list
20:52:54  <Stablean> <bon> hmm do you have 11 or more?
20:53:20  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> i have 0 roadvehicles
20:53:26  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> but i can buy any type
20:53:28  <Stablean> <bon> no I meant in the buy list :)
20:53:46  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> 11
20:53:50  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> one for each cargo
20:54:08  <Stablean> <bon> and is MightyMover Mail Truck the first thing in your list too?
20:55:11  <Stablean> <bon> seem weird that just about everything EXCEPT passenger would be out 1935-1936 range ... wonder what the bus introduction date is
20:55:14  <Stablean> <bon> :-s
20:55:32  <Stablean> <bon> oh well I'll just have to wait on town growth for the bus to show up
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20:56:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> be back  later
20:57:04  <Stablean> <mackel> cu
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21:05:57  <Stablean> <Big Meech> re-yooyoyoyyo!
21:11:43  <Stablean> <Vinnie> back
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21:13:23  <Stablean> <bon> wb vinnie :)
21:14:50  <Stablean> <bon> feel free to donate me money if you want to...if not thats ok I only asked :P
21:14:53  <Mark> hai
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21:16:28  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey M@rk
21:18:50  <Stablean> <Vinnie> anyonoe else money?
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21:25:17  <Stablean> <bon> sorry afk at times but btw thanks
21:25:31  <Stablean> <bon> doing purrail now so I wouldn't have to worry about later loco upgrades ^_^
21:27:03  <Stablean> <bon> and...done for now :)
21:39:46  <Stablean> <Vinnie> ill be on PS cya tommorow
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21:59:39  <Stablean> <bon> ok back for a while now finally
21:59:54  <Stablean> <bon> ehh.... I hope that goddamn bus shows up by the 1950s :-s
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22:08:15  <Stablean> <bon> wb happy .. wish I was happy too :-s heh
22:08:25  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
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22:10:36  <Stablean> <bon> I'm no good at these kind of junctions sorry :)
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22:19:59  <Stablean> <bon> you ok waiting for someone like jam35/etc to help you with that request happy?
22:20:13  <Stablean> <bon> 0_0
22:20:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
22:20:33  <Stablean> <bon> glunky mess with lot of burnt cotton there now :p
22:28:04  <Stablean> <bon> heh..decided to try my own little station names too ^_^
22:29:18  <Stablean> <bon> 1945....ehh...when will 1950 roll around :-/
22:29:28  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> in 5 years :p
22:29:38  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> whats important about 1950?
22:30:41  <Stablean> <bon> oh .. to see if the bus finally shows up (considering TT defaulted to 1950 if I recall...or has it been too long?)
22:31:03  <Stablean> <bon> till then I have two villages that don't like me yet but mm ah well at least I have the stations already placed.. just need the vehicle ;)
22:31:17  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> waiting for money?
22:31:31  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> or the bus still
22:31:33  <Stablean> <bon> no...for the buy list to offer a damn bus :)
22:31:40  <Stablean> <bon> at least 5 year isn't too far away ;)
22:31:50  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> :)
22:33:00  <Stablean> <bon> at least I got to thank vinnie for that money donation...don't have any plain rails left anywhere :)
22:33:13  <Vinnie_nl> you owe me
22:33:24  <Vinnie_nl> and the maffia never forgets
22:33:27  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> i have old network new network atm
22:33:42  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> though theres some old network left in the new bit
22:34:40  <Stablean> <bon> ah well theres no rush for that tho...the non-rail locos are still some way off right?
22:34:51  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> 50 years or so
22:35:01  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> slightly later than the bus
22:35:17  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> i just like having my rails in company colour
22:35:43  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> ant not having to make overhear lines transparant
22:36:17  <Stablean> <bon> heh well....I may use a bit of blue later on too but we'll see what really happens :)
22:36:35  <Stablean> <bon> for now its red to pax and green to raw materials .. I still have to use another colour for processed goods etc
22:36:37  <Stablean> <bon> ;)
22:38:20  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> purr is really nice for colour coding
22:38:50  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> why semaphores though?
22:39:00  <Stablean> <bon> well I'm only taking it because of the NUTS locomotive not being all rail-type ones :)
22:40:18  <Stablean> <bon> as for semaphores..well its a bit better than the other one atm (except for rail/wetrail which have better bigger lights to use)
22:40:22  <Stablean> <bon> but to our own
22:40:57  <Stablean> <bon> anyway brb to make some food
22:41:07  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> enjoy
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22:56:34  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  thats  me  dun     have  fun    on the map
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23:07:24  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> im off
23:07:28  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> gnite
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23:07:32  <Stablean> <bon> ok :p
23:07:34  <Stablean> <mackel> gn8
23:07:36  <Stablean> <bon> and btw bus here ...
23:07:40  <Stablean> <bon> wonder why it came so late but eh
23:07:42  <Stablean> <Taede[L]> :)
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23:29:01  <Stablean> <bon> going off for a bit for the night now anyway
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