Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 8th November 2013:
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00:03:30  <Stablean> <bon> niko btw about that previous map where you had that small coal line with the turnback curve near top... I have no clue why but v453000 deleted you
00:03:36  <Stablean> <bon> just in case you may have wondered what happened
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00:04:04  <Stablean> <Niko> I problem, I think I was away for long time
00:04:11  <Stablean> <bon> perhaps
00:04:18  <Stablean> <bon> at least its nice to see you again tho :)
00:04:36  <Stablean> <Niko> :)
00:05:00  <Stablean> <bon> what you working on atm?  me I'm slowly redoing my whole network to be one fluid piece with...a lot of wetrail ships expected :P
00:05:02  <Stablean> <bon> fun heh :)
00:05:20  <Stablean> <Niko> I'm building my second railway line
00:05:24  <Stablean> <bon> nice
00:08:46  <Stablean> <bon> where you heading to niko?
00:09:08  <Stablean> <Niko> starland - whitecourt
00:09:35  <Stablean> <bon> oh hmm...
00:09:58  <Stablean> <bon> well as long as you keep that parallel distance (aka don't come any closer) it should work just fine :)
00:10:10  <Stablean> <bon> (I meant .. closer to the wetrails heh)
00:10:20  <Stablean> <Niko> I will, I noticed you are building there
00:10:34  <Stablean> <bon> np...btw you can remove the bridges later .. the rails will be gone by then .. up to you ofc
00:11:00  <Stablean> <bon> as for how to get over the mountain..I'll leave that to you but you probably need two strong or one superstrong loco :)
00:11:10  <Stablean> <bon> ( tunnel heh)
00:11:25  <Stablean> <Niko> I will go for tunnel
00:11:32  <Stablean> <bon> ok one sec...
00:12:50  <Stablean> <bon> niko...see sign
00:12:57  <Stablean> <bon> I made the flat spaces for you just as a freebie :)
00:13:04  <Stablean> <Niko> thanks pal
00:13:35  <Stablean> <bon> don't want bore too low otherwise you'll be stuck with a sharp curve.. thats why I started it a bit higher in elevation
00:14:37  <Stablean> <bon> there you go.. one in now :)
00:14:59  <Stablean> <bon> thats for the 2nd one
00:15:05  <Stablean> <Niko> thanks
00:15:05  <Stablean> <bon> one tunnel is a bit of a chokepoint anyway
00:15:27  <Stablean> <bon> have fun with the quarry there :P
00:15:29  <Stablean> <Niko> it is, espeacially that long tunnel
00:15:35  <Stablean> <bon> anyway back to work on wets for me
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00:28:34  <Stablean> *** Anson has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.)
00:28:44  <Stablean> <Anson> please set !setdef !!!!
00:28:58  <Stablean> <bon> whats setdef anyway?
00:29:16  <Stablean> <Anson> without the eol settings and some others, almost no standard layouts will work
00:29:23  <Stablean> <bon> eol?
00:29:37  <Stablean> <bon> oh you mean these deadend forks etc?
00:30:19  <Stablean> <Anson> yes ... trains consider red twoway signals to be a dead end and try alternate rouites
00:30:31  <Stablean> <bon> ic ok
00:30:41  <Stablean> <Anson> but without the setting, trains just go to the first red signal and block/jam the net
00:30:44  <Stablean> <bon> anyway I need to afk for a bit..will work the wetrails more when I get back one final time
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00:31:38  <Stablean> <Anson> you can check for the setting by typing in the console "set pf.yapf.rail_fistred_twoway_eol"
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00:51:30  <Stablean> <Anson> they forgot to call !setdef for the new map, and thus the eol setting is off, causing trains to get stuck at 2way signals
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01:09:02  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yer    thats  troo
01:10:30  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> gn  all  have fun
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01:17:08  <Stablean> <bon> now free for the rest of night..about two hours of it...finally!
01:17:10  <Stablean> <bon> >_<
01:17:44  <Stablean> <bon> anson..its not the house..but the one road tile too btw (re Strome)
01:17:54  <Stablean> <bon> can't raise the water so have to move the slope a bit
01:18:53  <Stablean> <Anson> bon, do you want to build a LLRR, or only a LR ?
01:19:13  <Stablean> <bon> thanks pear..thats all I was needing
01:19:35  <Stablean> <bon> anson..just LR but without getting into the 90 degre curves tho
01:21:27  <Stablean> <Anson> you also could go around the lake for the opposite direction, if you want to avoid the long bridges ...
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01:22:05  <Stablean> <bon> ouch joe???? two at once
01:22:11  <Stablean> <Anson> and TF is really "cheap" on this map ... "only" 64x for land and 128x for water :-)
01:22:49  <Stablean> <bon> :p.... the hard part may be switching trains over..but I could use universal rails temporately for that
01:23:03  <Stablean> <Anson> joe, why didn't you just sell trains instead of deleting them the hard way ? :-)
01:24:06  <Stablean> <Anson> send all trains to depots, then change all rails to wet and the depots to universal, then autoreplace, and release them
01:25:18  <Stablean> <bon> joe trying to switch too?
01:25:28  <Stablean> <Anson> that's how we did it with the old universal track grfs before we got nuts and purr :-)
01:25:31  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> trying to switch to what?
01:26:25  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> Crashes happened because I was changing the signal spacing on a long stretch and had a couple misclicks along the way
01:26:39  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> I should remember to stop all trains for a moment first
01:26:57  <Stablean> <Pear> is there a fast way to stop all trains?
01:27:15  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> the train icon pops up a list of all trains
01:27:17  <Stablean> <bon> pear..yes...lower-right corner of trainlist window
01:27:27  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> he lower right of that has a stop button
01:27:43  <Stablean> <bon> may not be a stop but more of a 'X' depending what your own client has
01:27:46  <Stablean> <bon> just as a note
01:27:56  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> ok
01:28:03  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> mines an x
01:28:10  <Stablean> <Pear> x here too
01:28:29  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> i just meant a button to stop, not a little stop sign
01:28:40  <Stablean> <bon> anyway back to long work for me
01:34:04  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> woot loan paid back
01:40:42  <Stablean> <bon> hmmm niko sem to have an odd transfer timetable rather than just sending both trains to the kiln itself
01:40:49  <Stablean> <bon> oh well..I guess I'll ask him about it tomorrow
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01:53:12  <Stablean> <bon> anson so what you spending yearly constructions on eh? :)
01:53:51  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, i started building a hub in the mountains :-)
01:53:57  <Stablean> <bon> ahh :)
01:54:08  <Stablean> <bon> I'm doing just ok with crude non-flat T junctions for now..
01:54:18  <Stablean> <bon> although I did sign one that has bit oddball signal spacings for now
01:54:25  <Stablean> <bon> I'll fix it at a later date...vehicle conversion comes first
01:54:31  <Stablean> <bon> :)
01:55:29  <Stablean> <Anson> on the last map, we had thought that a line needed to be doubled since it was quite jammed
01:55:36  <Stablean> <bon> heh
01:56:13  <Stablean> <bon> let me guess: signals at fault? :P
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01:57:01  <Stablean> <Anson> but after i adjusted a few locations with bad signal spacing (ons spot had spacing 6 instead of 2) and changing one "merge before split" (3->1->3) to a 3->2->3, the tracks were suddenly almost empty :-)
01:57:11  <Stablean> <bon> heh :)
01:58:05  <Stablean> <Anson> proper signal spacing (always <=2) will take care of a lot of problems later ... and signals are not costly, even at the beginning
01:58:15  <Stablean> <bon> :)
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02:16:10  <Stablean> <bon> ok thats first ship on mixed route for now
02:16:21  <Stablean> <bon> kinda going be a lot of fun getting things converted without completely halting things :P
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02:20:11  <Stablean> <bon> heh Guilty As Sin .. turned down offer to test it :p
02:20:17  <Stablean> <bon> <is not guilt!
02:20:19  <Stablean> <bon> :P
02:22:38  <Stablean> <bon> one rail route finally blown for next one :)
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02:38:27  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
02:38:41  <Stablean> <Anson> still no admin online ?
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02:38:57  <BiG_MEECH> Why do you need those noobs?
02:39:01  <Stablean> <bon> anson..probably asleep on keyboard? heh :)
02:39:07  <Stablean> <bon> meech....ROFL???
02:39:21  <BiG_MEECH> :D
02:39:39  <Stablean> *** Anson has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.)
02:40:24  <Stablean> <Anson> hint to all "advanced players" : !setdef was not executed, and thus EOL for 2way signals and several other parameters are not as usual ...
02:40:51  <BiG_MEECH> aww
02:40:53  <BiG_MEECH> !date
02:40:53  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: 29 Sep 1962
02:41:31  <BiG_MEECH> I would think taht that time it is a default map
02:41:36  <BiG_MEECH> any grf's loaded?
02:41:55  <Stablean> <bon> duh yes :)
02:41:57  <Stablean> <bon> heh
02:42:08  <BiG_MEECH> thats odd then for them not to do it
02:42:14  <Stablean> <bon> blame mark eh?
02:42:16  <Stablean> <bon> :)
02:42:22  <BiG_MEECH> Yup, Blame mark for everything
02:42:25  <Stablean> <bon> and he's gone to bed or something already by now
02:42:27  <Stablean> <bon> LOL
02:42:30  <Stablean> <bon> nope..just this once :P
02:42:31  <BiG_MEECH> Yup, Im sure he has
02:43:20  <Stablean> <Anson> we have nuts, purr and firs
02:43:21  <BiG_MEECH> its funnier if you blame him for everything
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02:43:37  <BiG_MEECH> Well I am glad you have your nuts, you would be lonley without them
02:43:49  <Stablean> <bon> meech either way I'm slowly trying to change from rail to wetrail...too much "bickering around" :-s
02:44:01  <Stablean> <bon> have one route done...2nd one somewhat finished except for platforms .. 3rd one in progress :)
02:44:39  <Stablean> <bon> poor tugs running at only 49kph in some places but least things still moving one way or another
02:44:54  <BiG_MEECH> When you have nuts you're good for a slow tug.
02:45:00  <Stablean> <bon> you're strange :)
02:45:21  <BiG_MEECH> They're bad puns
02:45:58  <BiG_MEECH> !players
02:46:01  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Client 255 (Mauve) is CGW, in company 3 (Cresmont Express)
02:46:01  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Client 197 (Dark Blue) is Anson, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
02:46:01  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Client 281 (Brown) is bon, in company 2 (rapidee sailing co.)
02:46:08  <BiG_MEECH> !companies
02:46:10  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 1 (Blue): Pear Transport
02:46:10  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 2 (Brown): rapidee sailing co.
02:46:10  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 3 (Mauve): Cresmont Express
02:46:10  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 4 (Dark Blue): happy tran  sport Transport
02:46:10  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 5 (Orange): Mark Transport
02:46:11  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 6 (White): Greater Anglia
02:46:11  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 7 (Red): aeg Transport
02:46:13  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 8 (Green): N Transport
02:46:13  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 9 (Pale Green): JoeSchmoe Transport
02:46:15  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Company 10 (Grey): Transport United
02:46:24  <BiG_MEECH> already 10 companies?!
02:46:26  <BiG_MEECH> xD
02:46:29  <Stablean> <bon> heh have one single rail bridge thats holding up 4 trains....meh
02:46:39  <Stablean> <bon> oh well it'll soon be gone when I have no rail trains left!
02:48:33  <Stablean> <bon> you should see what I have meech :P
02:49:42  <BiG_MEECH> Maybe soon
02:49:48  <BiG_MEECH> been busy updating tower
02:49:53  <Stablean> <bon> ok :p
02:50:03  <Stablean> <bon> I may remove some but still theres a weird mix of rail+water :P
02:50:13  <Stablean> <bon> by tomorrow it'll be 0% rails anywhere tho ;)
02:50:41  <BiG_MEECH> new hard drives + raid + new linux version = I want to strangle myself.
02:54:20  <BiG_MEECH> That and im trying to get it all to look like the old version and get all my old apps back :D
02:54:23  <BiG_MEECH> Big Fun.
03:11:38  <Stablean> <bon> I hate this stupid one bridge...oh well it'll soon be vanished and I'm going to bed -_-
03:11:50  <BiG_MEECH> vanished?
03:12:00  <BiG_MEECH> you putting invisible ink on it?
03:12:30  <BiG_MEECH> bbiab :)
03:12:33  <Stablean> <bon> very silly
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03:21:04  <Stablean> <bon> geeze this taking so long...already want to sleep now >_<
03:29:55  <Stablean> <bon> ok bedtime finally ugh!
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04:39:04  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hey
04:39:46  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
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05:10:57  <Djanxy> !rules
05:10:58  <Stablean> Djanxy: Rules are at
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05:14:38  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> woops
05:14:45  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> bye bye 5 mill
05:14:59  <Stablean> <Anson> terraformed ?
05:15:09  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> yup coast
05:16:15  <Stablean> <Anson> diagonal coastline when building bridges ... you will get used to watch for them :-)
05:25:26  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate authorities :-(
05:26:08  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> how big is your problem (tiles to demolish?)
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05:51:11  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, cresmont express ... when you use pbs at the long tunnel, you should only put a signal in front of the switch and none between switch and the tunnel itself
05:51:57  <Stablean> <Anson> else, trains will select a tunnel, even when there is no free tunnel, and then wait at the signal, although in the meantime, the other might be free
05:52:13  <Stablean> <CGW> but it seems to be working
05:52:23  <Stablean> <CGW> its two one-way lines
05:52:29  <Stablean> <Anson> i just saw trains waiting
05:53:15  <Stablean> <Anson> "these three signals" ... those are the signals which invite a train to go there, and then the train waits even when the other tunnel might be free in the meantime
05:53:41  <Stablean> <CGW> ok thanks, its bed time for me
05:54:23  <Stablean> <Anson> and 2 tunnels per direction are not enough when you get more traffic ...
05:55:05  <Stablean> <CGW> its the bridges backing everthing up
05:55:55  <Stablean> <CGW> something to work on tomorrow!
05:55:59  <Stablean> <Anson> you have a missing signal at the bridges
05:56:09  <Stablean> <Anson> at !gap
05:56:31  <Stablean> <CGW> ty
05:56:49  <Stablean> <Player> Helloo
05:57:07  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, anonymous player
05:57:14  <Stablean> <Player> LOL
05:57:56  <Stablean> <Anson> you can change your name ingame, or set a default name on the multiplayer selection screen before login
05:58:14  <Stablean> <Player> yes
05:58:30  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to ColdTrans
05:58:56  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, good name for this landscape, even if i am frezing already :-)
05:59:18  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> Me too :)
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06:00:23  <Stablean> <Anson> did i already say that i hate authorities ? :-(
06:00:49  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> no you didnt
06:01:19  <Stablean> <Anson> i already planted trees for 200k+, but they still hate me, and thus i hate them#
06:02:23  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> what is 2000k = "k" mean?
06:03:17  <Stablean> <Anson> 200 ... and k is kilo .... 200k$ = 200000$
06:03:47  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> o_O
06:04:06  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> Ty
06:04:24  <Stablean> <Anson> you are on this server for the first time ?
06:04:34  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> Yes.
06:04:46  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> im a newbe
06:05:52  <Stablean> <Anson> this server is mostly about trains ... look at the advanced settings to see limits: lots of trains allowed, but few or no RV (road vehicles), ships and planes ... and on most maps, ships and planes cost millions or even billions
06:06:42  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> Yes , I knew it
06:06:52  <Stablean> <Anson> if you want to start a company, look where you find some free space and some industries ...
06:07:20  <Stablean> *** Ars has started a new company (#12)
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06:07:54  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> There is no space
06:08:00  <Stablean> <Ars> рш
06:08:02  <Stablean> <Ars> hi
06:08:14  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> hi ars
06:09:28  <Stablean> <Anson> i see one island in the south, and in the northwest corner of the map too
06:09:58  <Stablean> <Anson> but of course, a late start in a firs game is not easy
06:10:30  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> yes , But how long youv been palying in this sever?
06:10:48  <Stablean> <Anson> this server or this map ?
06:10:54  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> Yes
06:11:12  <Stablean> <Anson> maps mostly start in 1920, sometimes in 1950
06:11:30  <Stablean> <Anson> 58 years for this map now
06:11:56  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> R u admin here?
06:12:58  <Stablean> <Anson> this server has no fixed end date, and the map doesn't reset sometime, but when someone made a new map and the old map is "used up" (no more space, nothing to build), then a new map is loaded
06:13:17  <Stablean> <Anson> most of the time, that is well after 2100, sometimes 2200
06:13:39  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> ok
06:13:39  <Stablean> <Anson> no, i only am online often and long :-)
06:14:18  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> Btw If we win the game what whe will get?
06:15:20  <Stablean> <Anson> about the prices : usually, prices for ships and planes are very high to discourage their use, and also terraforming is costly (water even more than land) ... in this game, it is relatively "cheap" for this server ... values are set in the basecosts grf file
06:15:40  <Stablean> <Anson> you win by having fun :-)
06:15:58  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> :)
06:16:00  <Stablean> <Anson> and by learning from watching other players or asking for help
06:18:54  <Stablean> <Anson> V, if you read chat: is it intended that EOL setting and all the other parameters are not set (no !setdef done) ?
06:20:41  <Stablean> *** ColdTrans has started a new company (#13)
06:27:08  <Stablean> <ColdTrans> We cant Deiver Passenger In this map??
06:34:42  <Stablean> *** ColdTrans has requested an admin. (Note: Admin will read back on irc, so please do already write down your request, no need to wait.)
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06:36:29  <BiG_MEECH> WOOOOOOO!
06:36:33  <BiG_MEECH> yoyo!
06:36:36  <BiG_MEECH> !date
06:36:36  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: 18 Dec 1979
06:36:42  <BiG_MEECH> Shakedown 1979
06:36:47  <BiG_MEECH> Cool Kids never have the time
06:36:59  <Stablean> <Player> Yaahhh MEn  Cmon!!
06:37:25  <Stablean> <Player> Just Bring it ON!!!!!
06:37:26  <BiG_MEECH> lol hi
06:37:46  <Stablean> <Player> Lol :)
06:38:14  <BiG_MEECH> how are you? :)
06:38:32  <Stablean> <Player> Fine U?
06:38:57  <BiG_MEECH> Good. Hate to tell you what to do, but if you could change your name that would be great
06:39:01  <BiG_MEECH> type in
06:39:05  <BiG_MEECH> !name ( YOUR NAME )
06:39:34  <Stablean> <Player> How?
06:39:46  <BiG_MEECH> use the enter key, like where you type
06:39:49  <BiG_MEECH> !name
06:39:53  <BiG_MEECH> then your name
06:40:27  <Stablean> <Player> it didn work
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06:40:53  <Stablean> <Anson> you also can set a default username, so that you don't have to do it over and over again ... that option is on the multiplayer selection screen before you select a server, in the top right corner
06:41:10  <BiG_MEECH> Anson if he is having problems doing that he cant do what you're telling him xD
06:41:11  <Stablean> <Player> Thank You
06:41:28  <Stablean> <Player> My name Cold trans
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06:41:34  <Stablean> <Player> Wait for me
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06:41:48  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Whoa nice
06:41:51  <Stablean> <Big Meech> Stablean is learning
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06:42:34  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yoyo!
06:42:52  <Stablean> <Big Meech> just type that for once :D
06:43:04  <Stablean> <Big Meech> got it? :)
06:43:12  <Stablean> *** Cold Trans! has changed his/her name to GOGY
06:43:14  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
06:43:24  <Stablean> <GOGY> It didn work here
06:43:35  <Stablean> <Big Meech> it did
06:43:38  <Stablean> <Big Meech> your name is changed
06:43:44  <Stablean> <GOGY> owh It did LOL
06:43:54  <Stablean> <Big Meech> :D
06:44:02  <Stablean> *** Big Meech has changed his/her name to BOSSMEECH
06:44:22  <Stablean> <GOGY> where you from meech?
06:44:30  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> Midwest USA
06:44:36  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> way past bedtime here
06:45:23  <Stablean> <GOGY> here Indonesia - 03:45 after noon
06:45:33  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> ah, worried abotu that typhoon coming?
06:46:09  <Stablean> <GOGY> typhon " what is it?
06:46:15  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> hurricane
06:46:29  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> its hitting phillipines as we speak
06:46:36  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> ah well maybe it wont come your way
06:47:00  <Stablean> <GOGY> oh , yeah i wish
06:48:00  <Stablean> <Anson> i am well past bedtime too ... maybe i should skip this night completely :-)
06:48:18  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> add some beer
06:48:20  <Stablean> <Anson> 7.45 am :-)
06:48:50  <Stablean> <GOGY> beer??
06:49:00  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> sure
06:49:06  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> never too early to start drinking
06:49:09  <Stablean> <GOGY> how it taste
06:49:28  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> sorta like cheerios
06:49:34  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> but more wet
06:49:37  <Stablean> <Anson> lol ... you think "there is always some region where it is afternoon or evening" ? :-)
06:50:31  <Stablean> <GOGY> In my country beer is forbidden sometime
06:50:38  <Stablean> <Anson> why do the authorities still hate me ?
06:50:46  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> Oh, I did not knwo that
06:50:56  <Stablean> <GOGY> who?
06:50:56  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> Muslim law, correct?
06:51:14  <Stablean> <GOGY> i dont know
06:51:26  <Stablean> <GOGY> may be ,,  Aerican Invasion?
06:51:52  <Stablean> <GOGY> american Invasion?? :!
06:52:30  <Stablean> <GOGY> but Im not sure ,,, Im not a muslim
06:52:36  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> ah :)
06:52:38  <Stablean> <Anson> laws are quite strange sometimes ... we may start drinking at 16 (beer/wine) or 18 (higher %% of alc), and driving (hehe, not at the same time) with 18 ... in USA, driving starts at 16 and drining only much later
06:53:44  <Stablean> <GOGY> american Cought when they try to spy Indonesian and germany
06:53:51  <Stablean> <Anson> authorities in Telfordville ... i want to build another station there
06:53:57  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> we suck.
06:54:24  <Stablean> <GOGY> why they spying on us??
06:54:54  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> apparently they think everyone is s terrorist
06:55:10  <Stablean> <Anson> everybody spies on everybody ... that is nature of politics and secret service ...
06:55:29  <Stablean> <GOGY> Hmm its nature
06:56:21  <Stablean> <Anson> but they should trust friends, and if they think they need to spy on friends, they shouldn't do it stupidly and get caught :-)
06:56:31  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> lol
06:56:37  <Stablean> <GOGY> lol :D
06:57:56  <Stablean> <Anson> why am i always at "appalling" with Telfordville ?
06:58:18  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> you havent bulldozed enough trees yet
06:59:06  <Stablean> <Anson> i have planted trees for a few hundred k$ already
06:59:40  <Stablean> <Anson> and i have three stations there which are serviced very well (2 pickup and 1 drop)
07:00:42  <Stablean> <Anson> station rating 71% ... over time, that should increase town rating ...
07:03:32  <Stablean> <GOGY> dont you booring?
07:04:26  <Stablean> <GOGY> wht abt SIMCITY?
07:04:45  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> I miss playing SC
07:05:03  <Stablean> <GOGY> me too
07:05:13  <Stablean> <Anson> the good old times ? :-) .... SC, TT, AOE
07:05:40  <Stablean> <GOGY> SC ?? and AOE ??
07:06:03  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> SC = simcity
07:06:09  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> AOE = age of empires
07:06:11  <V453000> fakof SC is starcraft
07:06:14  <Stablean> <Anson> sim city, transport tycoon (the original) and age of empires (the first one of the series)
07:06:40  <Stablean> <GOGY> yes  .. i like it too
07:06:51  <Stablean> <GOGY> Command conquere
07:07:03  <Stablean> <Anson> ah, hallo, V ... is the !setdef not done on purpose for this map ? (no EOL setting etc)
07:07:12  <V453000> !date
07:07:12  <Stablean> V453000: 28 Feb 1982
07:07:15  <V453000> no idea
07:07:25  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> YOOOOOO
07:07:26  <V453000> who the f made a map
07:07:28  <V453000> !setdef
07:07:28  <Stablean> *** V453000 has disabled wait_for_pbs_path, wait_twoway_signal, wait_oneway_signal, ai_in_multiplayer; enabled no_servicing_if_no_breakdowns, extra_dynamite, mod_road_rebuild, forbid_90_deg, rail_firstred_twoway_eol and set path_backoff_interval to 1, train_acceleration_model to 1
07:07:35  <Stablean> <BOSSMEECH> Mark I guess
07:07:41  <V453000> :D
07:07:44  <V453000> ok everything explained
07:07:47  <Stablean> <GOGY> what is Setdef??
07:08:37  <Stablean> <Anson> path_backoff_interval is still 20 and was not changed ... the other values are as usual now
07:08:39  <Stablean> <Anson> thanks
07:08:55  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> oops
07:09:05  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> another 6 mill gone
07:09:11  <Stablean> <GOGY> why?
07:09:25  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> demolished some pond
07:09:30  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> accidentally
07:09:36  <Stablean> <GOGY> LOl
07:09:42  <Stablean> <GOGY> lol
07:09:44  <Stablean> <Anson> setdef is a macro that usually is executed once on loading a new map, and changes several default settings, eg the behavior of 2way signals
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07:23:18  <Stablean> <GOGY> WHY!!!!
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07:36:33  <Stablean> <GOGY> bye all
07:36:39  <Stablean> <GOGY> see ya
07:37:14  <Stablean> <JoeSchmoe> probably not for another real life 2 days
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09:35:05  <happy_> hi all
09:35:16  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, happy
09:36:14  <Stablean> <Anson> we need more metal and/or gasoline
09:37:43  <happy_> yer  but fund   is not cheep
09:38:14  <Stablean> <Anson> not ?
09:38:29  <Stablean> <Anson> something like 1-3 millions only
09:39:00  <Stablean> <Anson> but doubling production or quad prod would also be good enough
09:39:31  <Stablean> <Anson> i think we didn't yet do supplies at all ? ... i am just trying to set up timetables for farm supplies
09:40:30  <happy_> nice
09:42:34  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm using chami trains with 0.5 TL :-) ... they are the fastest, and have exactly the cargo that is needed for farm supplies (14 crates)
09:44:04  <happy_> i think we got to find a way for the supplies trans going in  the net werk
09:45:05  <Stablean> <Anson> there is barely enough supplies to service 1 farm to quad level or 4 farms to double level ... thus we need 4 times as much
09:45:35  <Stablean> <Anson> and then we also have 4+ more farms which don't get supplies yet ... thus we need even more
09:46:01  <Stablean> <Anson> the network needs rebuilding too ... it looks quite messy :-)
09:46:27  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe the best solution would be to build a separate supplies network ?
09:46:32  <happy_> i thinke the best way is to mor stell factory drop so  the supplies can go   nexs to it
09:48:27  <Stablean> <Anson> the network looks quite empty ... we can easily double the number of trains, and we even don't use the best trains and wagons yet ... still using level 4 engines and 1st gen wagon although level 7(?) and 2nd or 3rd gen is available
09:48:31  <happy_> not shor if ther a nufe room at the net werk  for the supplies net werk  but  can try it
09:49:59  <Stablean> <Anson> for supplies, we don't need doubled lines and fancy stuff... and we can put those lines anywhere (no need to follow the other mainlines etc) ... thus it shouldn't be too difficult
09:51:01  <happy_> the net werk     need redoing   and sume slhor sume thin
09:52:58  <Stablean> <Anson> building a network for firs is not so easy ... no idea how to do it best ... because there are many more secondaries and even tertiaries, so that we can't build the normal system with mainlines to big drops and sidelines for primaries ... there are too many secondary factories near the sidelines
09:53:41  <Stablean> <Anson> but i think, one mainline (doubled or later even tripled) would be good to transport something longdistance
09:54:15  <happy_> yer  i think so
09:56:13  <Stablean> <Anson> since i didn't build most parts in the middle (between Brosseau and Lowland Heights), maybe you should do the ML there ?
09:56:36  <happy_> ok give me 10 mints and i will john the server  and i have a look
09:57:11  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: i wanted to stick to your standard of driving left, but when i doubled the ML towards east, i simply doubled it and only later noticed that you had built taht part "drive right" ...
09:58:21  <Stablean> <Anson> now we have a chaotic system with driving left and right ... maybe we should switch to right for new/updated lines since the newer lines are all "drive right" ?
10:01:21  <happy_> yep but if we doo that we got to stop the trans  but not to.lone  be cours  larst time  me and wood did that all the stuf  at the pike  up  clos down
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10:02:21  <happy_> be  back in 10 mints
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10:03:46  <Stablean> <Anson> btw: i think we can build simple overflows (just a PBS plus depot and 2-platform stations) ... too many types of industries and some visible depots are there anyway ...
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10:32:18  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo
10:32:24  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
10:33:19  <Stablean> <Anson> i built a new ML ... thus we can move one station after the other, no need to stop all trains
10:34:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice
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10:38:11  <Stablean> <bon> hey anson?
10:39:19  <Stablean> <Anson> just built the signals
10:39:43  <Stablean> <bon> anson you seen what X3 been up to?
10:39:46  <Stablean> <Anson> when the end is connected, we can start building hubs and moving the other rails
10:40:36  <Stablean> <Anson> hadn't seen it yet ... was not in the south until 5 minutes ago
10:41:02  <Stablean> <bon> ah...well I think he needs a little reminder...not to mention I'm going to have to ask for some space to be able to relay wetrail :-s
10:41:14  <Stablean> <bon> but mm we'll see anyway
10:41:40  <Stablean> <Anson> water TF seems to be too cheap ...
10:43:22  <Stablean> <Anson> but at least, he transports most of the pax at Camrose, niot growing the town without need
10:46:04  <Stablean> <Anson> oh oh oh ... that green is a camouflage color ... i hadn't seen that he builds all over the map
10:46:14  <Stablean> <bon> ya...exactly! :-s
10:46:36  <Stablean> <bon> I need to ask him to knock out a few things so I can actually upgrade .. go figure
10:47:11  <Stablean> <Anson> and it is not only a long distance pax line, but at several spots it is some cargo transports too
10:49:25  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> x3 is at the top of the company leage table
10:49:52  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> Pax wins?
10:50:02  <Stablean> <bon> griffin..except maybe not as in a friendly manner but thats just what I'm thinking from a quick glance...I still think of vinnie trying to be "company #1" but he never got online enough heh
10:50:06  <Stablean> <bon> :)
10:50:08  <Stablean> <Anson> when someone builds across the whole map, that is no wonder
10:50:15  <Stablean> <bon> ya
10:50:45  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> bottom edge of map reduce the nussiance?
10:51:35  <Stablean> <Anson> and using PBS all over all tracks is also not the best idea
10:52:05  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> why?
10:57:04  <Stablean> <bon> x3...I hope you're not well I mean...deaf? I really need my usual rail spaces back in a few spots
10:57:23  <GriffinOneTwo> maybe he doesn't speak english
10:57:38  <Stablean> <X3> where?
10:57:48  <Stablean> <bon> speak for yourself griffin? :)
10:58:06  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> no nentendo
11:00:25  <Stablean> <bon> x3...I don't have any space due to you building right on top at Sunset Point Mines ..  and somewhat same for the line to High River Woods as I needed to rebuild to two stations (theres no pickups atm yeah) at
11:00:35  <Stablean> <bon> thats the major two atm..still looking around yet
11:01:37  <Stablean> <X3> atm?
11:01:43  <Stablean> <X3> what means atm?
11:01:45  <Stablean> <bon> At The Moment
11:02:47  <Stablean> <Anson> at the western edge of the screen, you have built a straight track by terraforming a lot ... would be nice to build bridges instead with lots of small islands ... else it is excessive TF :-(
11:03:25  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i think  the  water  tf  is  to cheep
11:03:35  <Stablean> <Anson> and in the next game, we would get prices of a few hundred millions or even billions for water TF
11:03:47  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
11:04:01  <Stablean> <X3> ^-^
11:04:15  <Stablean> <bon> and mm this is like the 2nd time its happened in a big way...the welcome message should read "do not build from one side of map to other side!"
11:04:18  <Stablean> <bon> just a thought?
11:05:45  <Stablean> <Anson> we had some games where someone flattened mountains and water ... next games had TF costs set to something like a million for land and a billion for water
11:05:55  <Stablean> <bon> :->
11:06:18  <Stablean> <bon> I usually only dent one or few slopes at a times for curves but thats usually as far as actual TF I've done ... that the proper way to do it eh? :)
11:06:36  <Stablean> <Anson> what use do rules have when people don't read them, and if they read them then don't follow them ?
11:06:42  <Stablean> <bon> heh yeah ^^
11:06:44  <Stablean> <bon> :-/
11:09:04  <Stablean> <X3> bon what you need exactly?
11:10:46  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> oops
11:11:20  <Stablean> <bon> heh ops indeed griffin :-s
11:12:06  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> If you are going to make a new Ml, you have to break a few eggs? eer trains?
11:12:24  <Stablean> <X3> coal mine delete?
11:13:23  <Stablean> <bon> if thats the only way I can have normal space again then feel free to
11:14:57  <Stablean> <Anson> a new double ML is almost done ... now it is about some tight space with a lot of traffic where i try to rebuild without stopping trains ....
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11:15:31  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> can sume   won      remov   company  11
11:15:45  <Stablean> <bon> heh getting cramped out by him too/
11:15:48  <Stablean> <bon> ?*
11:15:50  <Stablean> <Anson> and in addition, the old rails are sometimed "drive left" and sometimes "drive right" ... thus some additional bridges and crossings ...
11:16:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> so  whont
11:16:58  <Stablean> <X3> what problem...?
11:17:20  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> read  the rules
11:17:35  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> u  can not  doo water  tf  like  that
11:17:57  <Stablean> <X3> wait..
11:17:58  <GriffinOneTwo> !rules
11:17:58  <Stablean> GriffinOneTwo: Rules are at
11:18:26  <GriffinOneTwo>
11:21:02  <Stablean> <bon> ok anson that didn't take me too much labour compared to yesterday..killing the last rail route now then I'll finally be 100% wet on one side
11:21:13  <Stablean> <bon> will have to work the oil/lumber into wetrail as soon as X3 could uncramp me
11:21:15  <Stablean> <bon> :)
11:21:37  <Stablean> <Anson> you are wet on one side ? :-)
11:21:47  <Stablean> <bon> heh I know how silly that sounds eh?
11:21:49  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> roll in four>
11:21:59  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> err flour
11:22:01  <Stablean> <bon> I meant my ore network is almost 100% wet now
11:22:11  <Stablean> <bon> but the lumber/oil side is still 90% rails yet
11:22:13  <Stablean> <bon> :)
11:22:40  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> whats the advantage to wet rails, or do you just like the look?
11:23:02  <Stablean> <bon> fast loading time and they're decent on steep routes assuming you don't add way too many barges
11:23:46  <Stablean> <bon> the CAT is a bit weak on multiply slopes tho but its got its own unique stats tho
11:25:00  <Stablean> <Anson> using universal rail is an option when you are rich enough ... first convert everything to uni, then work on converting uni to wet where needed (to get rid of that -30% penalty)
11:25:24  <Stablean> <bon> and it allows traffic to not much as it may slow down due to bottlenecks there and there :)
11:26:42  <GriffinOneTwo> hmm
11:27:22  <Stablean> <bon> oh WTF WTF
11:27:32  <Stablean> <bon> anson I just noticed Camrose now..that indeed is just too abusive TF
11:30:16  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> thats what I meant by Pax appears to win
11:31:24  <GriffinOneTwo> Appears no one uses TeamSpeak ?
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11:31:42  <Stablean> <bon> hi taede :)
11:31:49  <Stablean> <bon> don't get too....steamy :)
11:31:51  <Stablean> <bon> heh
11:32:05  <Stablean> <Taede> ello
11:32:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
11:32:26  <Stablean> <X3> hey... Low terraforming is not allowed?
11:32:39  <GriffinOneTwo> Low is, Low means not much
11:32:48  <GriffinOneTwo> Little, few
11:32:52  <Stablean> <bon> not just that but a bit of disregard to other player's space as well just as a note
11:33:29  <GriffinOneTwo> "you should attempt to build as far from anyone else as possible."
11:34:53  <Stablean> <X3> hmm...
11:36:12  <Stablean> <X3> i learn rule form N-ice server....
11:37:43  <GriffinOneTwo> too
11:37:45  <Stablean> <X3> i am ranking score  1 in N-ice server.... my id is alops2210
11:38:11  <Stablean> <bon> who said anything about "rules" that is breaking rules? :)
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11:39:22  <Taede> !rcon companies
11:39:22  <Stablean> Taede: #:1(Blue) Company Name: 'Pear Transport'  Year Founded: 1922  Money: 100362282  Loan: 0  Value: 100385820  (T:9, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:22  <Stablean> Taede: #:2(Brown) Company Name: 'rapidee sailing co.'  Year Founded: 1920  Money: 13668436  Loan: 0  Value: 13786572  (T:23, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:22  <Stablean> Taede: #:3(Mauve) Company Name: 'Cresmont Express'  Year Founded: 1921  Money: 110033362  Loan: 0  Value: 110145977  (T:41, R:1, P:0, S:5) protected
11:39:22  <Stablean> Taede: #:4(Dark Blue) Company Name: 'happy tran  sport Transport'  Year Founded: 1923  Money: 18202574  Loan: 0  Value: 18437885  (T:95, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:22  <Stablean> Taede: #:5(Orange) Company Name: 'Mark Transport'  Year Founded: 1924  Money: 28425415  Loan: 0  Value: 28452889  (T:27, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:23  <Stablean> Taede: you have 7 more messages
11:39:25  <Taede> !more
11:39:25  <Stablean> Taede: #:6(White) Company Name: 'Greater Anglia'  Year Founded: 1942  Money: 1038925  Loan: 60000  Value: 989737  (T:2, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:25  <Stablean> Taede: #:7(Red) Company Name: 'aeg Transport'  Year Founded: 1925  Money: 22033320  Loan: 100000  Value: 21958344  (T:7, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:25  <Stablean> Taede: #:8(Green) Company Name: 'N Transport'  Year Founded: 1949  Money: 2466361  Loan: 180000  Value: 2308623  (T:5, R:6, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:27  <Stablean> Taede: #:9(Pale Green) Company Name: 'JoeSchmoe Transport'  Year Founded: 1949  Money: 14760772  Loan: 0  Value: 14833958  (T:32, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:27  <Stablean> Taede: #:10(Grey) Company Name: 'Transport United'  Year Founded: 1954  Money: 3394581  Loan: 100000  Value: 3310741  (T:2, R:3, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:29  <Stablean> Taede: you have 2 more messages
11:39:31  <GriffinOneTwo> I forget half of them half the time anaway, except when someone brings them up
11:39:37  <Taede> !more
11:39:37  <Stablean> Taede: #:11(Dark Green) Company Name: 'X3 Transport'  Year Founded: 1972  Money: 89133004  Loan: 0  Value: 89462994  (T:45, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:37  <Stablean> Taede: #:13(Purple) Company Name: 'ColdTrans Transport'  Year Founded: 1978  Money: 3350204  Loan: 150000  Value: 3223016  (T:2, R:4, P:0, S:0) protected
11:39:37  <Stablean> <bon> well I guess thats one way to do it...remove the offending parts and just leave the damaged TF as it is
11:39:52  <Taede> !rcon reset_company 11
11:39:52  <Stablean> Taede: Company deleted.
11:39:57  <Taede> sorted
11:40:05  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
11:40:17  <Stablean> <bon> cheers ... I'll be working on my oil rails soon finally
11:40:25  <Stablean> <bon> just trying clean up the reams from the other side here
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11:41:07  <Taede> note to self: get soap to also tell the message to irc if player uses !admin with message attached
11:41:17  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> 8k Pax stranded on a island !
11:41:23  <Stablean> <bon> so? :)
11:41:42  <GriffinOneTwo> sad for them
11:43:56  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> something change with map of world dialog, the bottom area is a lot biggger, unless I get really wide, company wrap changed?
11:46:55  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> Now Crestmont is #1, due to long dist Pax too
11:47:11  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> so, again, Pax wins
11:48:19  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> I would have thought on FIRS, that Pax would be of less value, with all the industry complexity, and deep supply ahins
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11:50:31  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> Anson / Happy, at your Temp conn & stary of Ml, the short turn onto the bridge greatly reduces the trains speed doesn't it?
11:51:22  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yer
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11:51:51  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> general rule of thumb is train length turns?
11:54:07  <Stablean> <bon> still tiny pieces of universal rail reams left...guess I'm not quite done yet :-s
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12:01:28  <Stablean> <Anson> GOT: a 0.5 CL curve has speed 88 or something low like that
12:01:47  <Stablean> <Anson> but as the sign says : temp = temporary
12:02:22  <Stablean> <GriffinOneTwo> yea, just trying to improve my knowledge
12:03:08  <Stablean> <Anson> your rule of thumb is not correct, but also not wrong :-)
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12:03:49  <Stablean> <Anson> the com,putation for CL takes place only when a train is longer than CL ... thus short trains will always have full speed
12:04:19  <V453000> @cl
12:04:20  <Webster> cl: Curve Length, mostly used to describe how big a curve must be to let pass trains with a certain TL at full speed, see also:
12:04:21  <V453000> just see that
12:04:27  <Stablean> <bon> heh hi there :)
12:04:33  <Stablean> <Anson> and for short trains, it depends on wagon length, the curvature of the curve, max speed, railtype, etc
12:06:14  <Stablean> <Anson> if you have decided on a specific TL and even a specific train, you can build a circle and see whether it has full speed ...
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12:06:54  <Stablean> <bon> oh nice...plastic plant build itself in a nice place for me instead of me having to fund one
12:08:02  <GriffinOneTwo> hmm, seems that e.g. the x3's 20 car trains, that it would go slower through at CL7, than a train half its length would
12:08:26  <GriffinOneTwo> ahh, I saw you covered that
12:11:08  <V453000> if the half as long train fits inside the curve, yes
12:11:22  <V453000> and if the CL7 is too slow so it slows down the max speed
12:11:29  <Stablean> <bon> *me wishes I had started with wet in first place*
12:12:45  <Stablean> <Anson> V, when does WET start ? 1940 ? ... it would be nice when we could start with wet when a map starts (in 1920)
12:12:57  <Stablean> <bon> anson...yeah its like 1940s indeed
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12:13:12  <V453000> so many things would be nice
12:13:21  <V453000> doesnt mean I see the reason to
12:13:32  <Stablean> <bon> anson.. 1939-1941 to be exact
12:13:34  <Stablean> <Anson> or would it be too realistic if people invent ships before trains ? .-)
12:13:44  <Stablean> <bon> anson...ships existed LONG before trains? :)
12:13:48  <Stablean> <bon> hehehe
12:15:00  <Stablean> <Anson> maybe V could add one more wet train : a simple raft from 1500 to 1940 :-)
12:15:32  <GriffinOneTwo> Suez Canal 1869?   Panama Canal 1914?
12:15:48  <Stablean> <bon> anson..actually I think it would be a rehash of Waterproof with a 50-60kph top speed and less hp/tractive?
12:16:03  <Stablean> <bon> eg 1000hp roughly
12:16:03  <V453000> maybe he could, maybe he wont
12:16:21  <Stablean> <bon> and to keep it linear... tractive could be like 100-120kN
12:17:08  <Stablean> <Anson> the problem with WET is that people have either to skip the first 20 years, or they need to build trains and then change the railtype which both is annoying or costly, or both
12:17:31  <Stablean> <bon> anson indeed..I spent a lot of the late night simply trying to move things over then finally just went to bed
12:17:41  <Stablean> <bon> almost done now here for *half* of the network X_X
12:17:53  <Stablean> <Anson> and since trains are faster than WET, it would be a nice feature to be able to start with wet instead of having faster trains and then "downgrading" to wet in 1940
12:18:27  <Stablean> <bon> yeah
12:18:51  <Stablean> <bon> and waiting 20 years to start is a bit hard when you can't "reserve" the lines you wanted without building rails in first place -_-
12:19:14  <V453000> how is it a problem?
12:19:15  <V453000> I dont see it
12:19:28  <V453000> you just remove one wagon when converting to ships, done
12:19:33  <Stablean> <bon> v453000 try explain to other players to not take a particular area for 20 years because you can't build anything
12:19:52  <V453000> you can build rails and convert though purr?
12:20:08  <Stablean> <bon> then basecost would have to be changed to make it as inexpensive
12:20:40  <Stablean> <Anson> in 1920 to 1940, shortly after the game starts, YOU may have enough money to build purr, but most people don't
12:20:50  <Stablean> <bon> thank you anson :)
12:21:08  <Stablean> <bon> that was why I built a lot of wetrail in parallel because 100% universal would had bankrupted me twice at the time
12:21:09  <V453000> fair enough
12:21:16  <Stablean> <bon> but it was a *** headache tho
12:21:22  <V453000> but yeah purr is cheaper in next version
12:21:32  <Stablean> <bon> cheers :)
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12:23:42  <V453000> btw wtf is the difference between me and other people in money
12:23:48  <V453000> I build more tracks, need more money for replace
12:23:50  <V453000> same thing
12:23:50  <Stablean> <Anson> i think that most people don't like wet after they have fast trains ... having wet right from the start could help with that: who builds wet first might stay with it, but few people "downgrade" from fast trains to wet, even if wet has other advantages ...
12:24:05  <V453000> I dont care what people dont like
12:24:17  <V453000> esp not "because they had fast trains"
12:24:23  <Stablean> <Anson> you (and a few other people) build faster and thus earn lots of money earlier
12:24:26  <V453000> that is so wrong on so many levels that I erally dont care
12:25:00  <Stablean> <bon> anson agreed...some people just can't get it in their head that not all players want "massive trains massive profits huge tracks" early ehhh I'll just say never mind
12:25:33  <V453000> if you dont build to have a lot of stuff then why should I listen to you in the first place
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12:26:59  <Stablean> <bon> why is it that in several games I had a much higher cargo delivery (even with no pax in sight) even although I didn't have much in way of tracks?
12:27:13  <Stablean> <bon> so comment as usual
12:27:42  <V453000> if you dont have tracks, it speaks of everything
12:28:03  <V453000> what else do you build
12:28:07  <V453000> grass?
12:28:26  <GriffinOneTwo> ships, trucks?
12:28:30  <Stablean> <bon> nope...half of the time in tweaks and other half in new mine or so
12:28:33  <V453000> no GriffinOneTwo :(
12:28:57  <V453000> and the new mine is grass or what
12:29:06  <Stablean> <bon> nope...coal...ore...whatever you name it
12:29:48  <V453000> yes and you get to it by building tracks unless I am terribly wrong
12:30:10  <V453000> so if you dont have "a lot of tracks" then you probably "are not playing the game"
12:30:21  <V453000> and if you "are not playing the game" then why should I take relevance in your suggestions
12:30:37  <Stablean> <bon> you're reading it backward..where did I said I had zero cargo delivery?
12:30:58  <V453000> I did never mention or ask about cargo delivery
12:31:30  <Stablean> <bon> "not playing the game" << that
12:31:49  <V453000> is related to cargo delivery number how
12:34:27  <Stablean> <Anson> bon "high cargo with few tracks" -- V "no tracks speaks of everything" -- V "if you don't have lots of tracks, you don't play the game"
12:36:58  <Stablean> <Anson> ottd has no fixed goal. you set your own goals. and some people have cargo delivery as goal, even with small networks. or they want to build "nicely". or they want to build (wet) ships. or ....
12:37:04  * GriffinOneTwo slaps GriffinOneTwo around a bit with a large fishbot
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12:37:38  <Stablean> <Anson> and it would help to be able starting a game with wet, instead of first playing with trains for 20 years and then having to rebuild everything
12:37:48  <V453000> this isnt about goals what so ever
12:38:03  <V453000> you play the game by building tracks, dont you
12:38:10  <V453000> regardless of your goal
12:38:50  <V453000> so if you "dont want to build much" that basically means you dont want to play the game
12:38:52  <Stablean> <Anson> you need to build tracks, but the goal does not have to be building lots of tracks
12:39:02  <V453000> I didnt talk about goal at all?
12:39:25  <V453000> regardless of your goal you build tracks, if the game takes longer you probably get a lot of tracks
12:39:33  <V453000> how do you not get a lot of tracks in a longer game?
12:39:36  <V453000> while playing the game?
12:40:19  <Stablean> <Anson> when someone is building a small network, trying to build nice stations, and tweaks a hub, station entrance, overflow or whatever, he isn't playing the game since he has not a lot of tracks ????????
12:41:05  <Stablean> <Anson> we are speaking about the first 20 years, 1920-1940 ... that is not a "long game"
12:41:09  <V453000> he still gets a lot of tracks in total
12:41:23  <V453000> that is 5 hours?
12:41:32  <V453000> thats like whole afternoon ...
12:42:27  <Stablean> <bon> <votes 100 too many times for anson and mm....noone else
12:42:33  <Stablean> <bon> :-p
12:42:43  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, maybe 5 hours, and you force people to either build rail trains first and then delete them again after having invested 5 hours, or people don't play at all durin tze first 5 hours, ...
12:42:52  <V453000> im not forcing anyone to do anything
12:43:15  <V453000> and I had no problems with that at all
12:43:17  <V453000> so yeah
12:44:16  <Stablean> <Anson> of course, you don't use force to force someone, but when someone wants to use the wet trains, that problem appears
12:44:35  <V453000> too bad
12:45:25  <Stablean> <Anson> i agree : "too bad" that many people don't use wet because they start by building a rail network and then don't delete it to start over with wet
12:45:51  <V453000> nice, we can agree
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12:46:51  <V453000> now go do anything useful so I can regard your opinions
12:46:52  <V453000> thanks
12:47:21  <Stablean> <bon> useful would be being able to build a network in first place instead of spending a long time trying to change things now
12:47:23  <Stablean> <bon> ;)
12:47:37  <V453000> build better
12:47:40  <V453000> fixes everything
12:47:54  <Stablean> <bon> then make it show up in 1920
12:47:54  <Stablean> <bon> :)
12:48:09  <V453000> when someone else can do it, you can do it just as well
12:48:10  <V453000> no I wont
12:48:19  <Stablean> <Anson> ... athough we mean something different with "too bad" ... you mean "too bad for the player who misses it" (but he never will know since he doesn't even try it) ... and i mean "too bad for the wet trainset which you invested a lot of time and work in, and which is used much to rarely"
12:48:49  <Stablean> <bon> anson...I think we're both talking to a upsidedown wall
12:50:19  <Stablean> <Anson> company "PLayer transport" with player named "Player" ? how is that possible ?
12:50:30  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> lacas  read  the rules
12:50:49  <Stablean> <bon> oh...for a momeent I was wondering if you got scared away happy :)
12:51:20  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  v
12:51:29  <V453000> hi.
12:51:35  <V453000> happy teach those idiots to play better :)
12:51:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
12:52:44  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> lacas  can  u   move  this see my sign
12:53:03  <Stablean> <Anson> happy, to clean up, i moved around some tracks, even when they get long bridges etc ... that can later be improved
12:53:22  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice  goodjob
12:53:32  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ar  i see
12:53:34  <Stablean> <Anson> but by moving around, i found several instances of detours, parallel routes etc
12:53:44  <Stablean> <Anson> eg between A and B
12:53:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i see  them
12:54:44  <Stablean> <Anson> i have added a short connection to B, and now can remove the entiore A->B track, to make space for the ML from west to east
12:55:10  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep  ise
12:55:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  is  your  net vwerk  bon
12:55:46  <Stablean> <bon> doing ok half of it working all-wet now
12:55:53  <Stablean> <bon> about the other half...well....*sigh* yeah
12:56:11  <Stablean> <Anson> i did similar with other tracks already which created the long bridges in front of B ... but as you can see, one of them is gone now, and the other will follow when a proper hub is built
12:56:25  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice
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12:58:10  <Stablean> <bon> hi troy :)
12:58:13  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
12:58:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  troy
13:05:01  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> looks  like   lacas    did  not   her  me
13:05:15  <Stablean> <bon> happy...yeah as soon as I can finish killing the dumb rails I'll be able to expand to other things I had looked at yesterday FINALLY
13:05:17  <Stablean> <bon> :->
13:05:37  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
13:05:40  <V453000> !players
13:05:42  <Stablean> V453000: Client 255 (Mauve) is CGW, in company 3 (Cresmont Express)
13:05:42  <Stablean> V453000: Client 373 (Dark Blue) is Troy McClure, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
13:05:42  <Stablean> V453000: Client 197 (Dark Blue) is Anson, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
13:05:42  <Stablean> V453000: Client 371 (Light Blue) is Lacas, in company 12 (Lacas Transport)
13:05:42  <Stablean> V453000: Client 356 (Dark Blue) is happy tran  sport, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
13:05:43  <Stablean> V453000: Client 358 (Brown) is bon, in company 2 (rapidee sailing co.)
13:05:43  <Stablean> V453000: Client 369 (Yellow) is Player, in company 14 (Player Transport)
13:05:46  <V453000> !rcon move 371 255
13:05:46  <Stablean> V453000: ‎*** Lacas has joined spectators
13:06:13  <Stablean> *** Lacas has joined company #12
13:06:29  <V453000> !rcon move 371 255
13:06:29  <Stablean> V453000: ‎*** Lacas has joined spectators
13:06:37  <Stablean> *** Player has joined spectators
13:06:49  <V453000> Lacas happy was talking to yo
13:06:51  <V453000> u
13:07:03  <Stablean> *** Lacas has joined company #12
13:07:06  <V453000> !rcon move 371 255
13:07:07  <Stablean> V453000: ‎*** Lacas has joined spectators
13:07:09  <Stablean> <Lacas> sorry?
13:07:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> see  my  sign  say  this
13:08:21  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> we   had a  player  did that   in    and  he  got  the  company remov
13:08:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> V, you're not in-game?
13:08:25  <Stablean> <Lacas> near east prairie?
13:08:31  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yep
13:08:32  <V453000> n
13:09:51  <Stablean> <Lacas> i dont build it.. just use ist for my tracks
13:10:01  <Stablean> <Lacas> s wrong?
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13:10:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yes
13:10:07  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
13:10:25  <Stablean> <Lacas> what can i do?
13:10:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there's a reason terraform costs are high
13:10:33  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> but   its  in the rules
13:10:47  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> u  have to mov  all  ov  it
13:10:49  <Stablean> <Lacas> yes i see. my company is new
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13:11:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bb
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13:11:12  *** Webster sets mode: +o Mark
13:11:13  <Mark> hi
13:11:19  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> v   the  water  tf  is  to  cheep
13:11:21  <Stablean> <bon> hi mark finally :)
13:11:27  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb troy
13:11:29  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  mark
13:11:30  <Mark> finally? :D
13:11:34  <Mark> some people have to work you know
13:11:42  <Stablean> <bon> yeah...wondered where you were mark .. I was up for two hours already :P
13:11:44  <Stablean> <bon> hehehe
13:11:58  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
13:12:04  <Mark> well ive been up for 10 hours
13:12:07  <Stablean> <bon> just being silly ofc
13:12:20  <Mark> :)
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13:12:38  <Stablean> <Mark> omfg
13:12:45  <Stablean> <bon> mm?
13:12:52  <Stablean> <Mark> meh
13:13:02  <Stablean> <Mark> someone ran a track straight through my main drop area
13:13:28  <Stablean> <Mark> CGW: please keep some distance to other companies
13:13:42  <Stablean> <Mark> like i asked you yesterday
13:14:12  <Stablean> <bon> do you mean near Steinhauer?
13:14:26  <Stablean> <Mark> yea
13:14:29  <Stablean> <bon> mm :-s
13:14:47  <Stablean> <Mark> and wtf is that track running straight through the water
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13:14:56  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
13:15:02  <Stablean> <Mark> yo
13:15:02  <Stablean> <V453000> very nice
13:15:04  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
13:15:10  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yer i no  mark
13:15:20  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> this  is the 2  time
13:15:30  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> is  it hapernd
13:15:32  <Stablean> <Mark> should have made water tf more expensive
13:15:42  <Stablean> <V453000> just put it to the max
13:15:44  <Stablean> <V453000> canals too
13:15:48  <Stablean> <V453000> easy
13:16:11  <Stablean> <V453000> lol happy why do you still use steam trains :D
13:16:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport>   the  net  wek  is  not ready  for  the  tran  up  grade  yet
13:16:51  <V453000> !rcon reset_company 12
13:16:52  <Stablean> V453000: Company deleted.
13:17:04  <Stablean> <V453000> it is always ready for that
13:17:04  <Stablean> <Mark> i was about to do that
13:18:34  <Stablean> <V453000> too much mercy, no delay :)
13:18:46  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> but  not  the  cargo
13:19:04  <Stablean> <V453000> you get more cargo with faster trains happy
13:19:22  <Stablean> <V453000> upgrading as soon as possible is best
13:19:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  see
13:21:22  <Stablean> <bon> one of you three mind help with blowing up a few houses?
13:21:28  <Stablean> <Mark> where
13:21:50  <Stablean> <bon> mark.. Bragg Creek .. I count three houses that need to be evidicted :)
13:22:25  <Stablean> <bon> thanks mark
13:22:43  <Stablean> <Mark> np
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13:23:45  <Stablean> <V453000> Mark you need more trains
13:23:49  <Stablean> <Mark> yes
13:23:59  <Stablean> <Mark> need more stations first though
13:24:05  <Stablean> <V453000> also dont forget to replace wagons with engines :P
13:24:27  <Stablean> <Mark> oh yea
13:24:41  <Stablean> <Mark> i want to do farm supplies but not sure how/where
13:24:51  <Stablean> <V453000> welcome to FIRS "system"
13:25:01  <Stablean> <bon> mark..hmm one sec..
13:25:41  <Stablean> <V453000> fruit certainly cant reproduce itself
13:25:44  <Stablean> <V453000> its wonderful.
13:26:27  <Stablean> <bon> well mark there is one easy way to get it....
13:26:37  <Stablean> <Mark> steal it? :P
13:26:44  <Stablean> <bon> take the oil you have near Port Vermillion Valley ...
13:27:10  <Stablean> <bon> take it to refinery near Rochon Sands  (have to go long way around the little lake tho) ...
13:27:20  <Stablean> <bon> and then you have the Machine Shop near Lottie Lake
13:27:30  <Stablean> <bon> farm+engineer supplies at same time from there tho :)
13:27:41  <Stablean> <bon> only the refinery route would need a bit of plotting
13:28:09  <Stablean> <bon> and the engineering supplies could go back to the oilwell causing a viscious circle :)
13:28:12  <Stablean> <Mark> possible
13:28:22  <Stablean> <bon> np :)
13:29:00  <Stablean> <bon> mark on one map before I had ore train going to mill which went to a metal shop which sent its supplies back to the ore mine .. its fun these 3-industry circles you can find when the landscape is right ;)
13:29:55  <Stablean> <V453000> question comes why start with fruit at all :P
13:30:05  <Stablean> <Mark> cause i want alcohol of course
13:30:19  <Stablean> <V453000> oh well then :D
13:30:38  <Stablean> <V453000> why dont you transport alcohol then :0
13:30:57  <Stablean> <V453000> our relationship is over Mark
13:30:59  <Stablean> <V453000> you ignore alcohol
13:31:02  <Stablean> <Mark> :D
13:32:04  <Stablean> <V453000> said no woman ever
13:32:06  <Stablean> <V453000> unfortunately
13:32:12  <Stablean> <Anson> you can look at it ... i am AFK a bit
13:33:11  <Stablean> <V453000> LOL bon do you really complain about wetrails if you build dual engines anyway so you cant autoreplace?
13:33:14  <Stablean> <V453000> seriously :D
13:33:16  <Stablean> <V453000> well done
13:33:22  <Stablean> <bon> you don't get it do you?
13:33:48  <Stablean> <V453000> I do, you make stupid decisions and try to blame the system instead of adapting
13:33:51  <Stablean> <bon> nope
13:33:57  <Stablean> <V453000> well then enjoy :D
13:34:05  <Stablean> <bon> yeah enjoy your naiveness
13:34:07  <Stablean> <bon> :)
13:34:29  <Stablean> <V453000> if you make it harder for yourself by having 2 engines which is incompatible with wetrail, I have no comment
13:34:51  <Stablean> <bon> nope you're the one that started it with refusing to place it in 1920
13:34:58  <Stablean> <bon> and not to mention all the things anson mentioned as well
13:35:48  <Stablean> <V453000> the train set should start with simple choices and go from there instead of starting with everything from start
13:36:04  <Stablean> <V453000> that is simply not going to change
13:36:18  <Stablean> <bon> then why is there no rail loco that can run on wet?
13:36:28  <Stablean> <V453000> universal rail?
13:36:34  <Stablean> <bon> why isn't it there in 1920 too tho?
13:36:41  <Stablean> <V453000> why should it?
13:36:48  <Stablean> <Anson> while there is no wetrail with strong wet trains, we need to use double engines ... and later we have the problems
13:37:07  <Stablean> <bon> then why did you suggest universal? ... jeeze
13:37:09  <Stablean> <Anson> or use single engines from the start and be slow with them
13:37:15  <Stablean> <V453000> wetrail with strong rails? what?
13:37:34  <Stablean> <V453000> 1 strong engine is vastly sufficient even for TL7
13:37:38  <Stablean> <Anson> those are the reasons why we would like to get wetrails right from the start (1920)
13:37:40  <Stablean> <V453000> +-
13:38:18  <Stablean> <V453000> I dont see a single problem on starting with 1 strong engine on rail and converting to wetrail in 1940
13:38:20  <Stablean> <V453000> not a single one
13:38:38  <Stablean> <bon> v453000....the strong engine can't even run on that
13:38:38  <Stablean> <V453000> ps you can always start the game in 1940
13:38:44  <Stablean> <V453000> so?
13:38:47  <Stablean> <V453000> use rail first, convert later?
13:38:53  <Stablean> <bon> that means your suggestion makes no sense
13:38:59  <Stablean> <V453000> isnt that what univrail/purr is for?
13:39:03  <Stablean> <bon> yeah..convert HOW? the engine can't run on it
13:39:13  <Stablean> <V453000> all engines can run on univrail?
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13:40:25  <Stablean> <Mark> :D
13:40:27  <Stablean> <V453000> we should bind !goal to !kickme
13:41:25  <Stablean> <V453000> bon are there still problems with autoreplacing over univrail?
13:41:35  <Stablean> <bon> yeah...the rail doesn't exist? :)
13:41:57  <Stablean> <bon> (it actually doesn't show up in the menu for several years at minumum)
13:42:23  <Stablean> <V453000> and purr is?
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13:42:57  <V453000> or do you want to tell me that purr doesnt exist either
13:43:08  <Stablean> <Anson> all engines can run on unirail, but (as already said before) most people don't have enough money in 1940 to convert rail to unirail and later back to wet ... alternative would be to send everything to depot, convert all to wet and depot to uni, replace trains, and then continue with wet
13:43:46  <Stablean> <bon> anson and don't forget that 49kph is really crapslow...without building tons of parallel all over the place (as I am) ...
13:43:56  <Stablean> <bon> I only lucked out in that 20+ years passed by overnight so I had the fund
13:44:37  <Stablean> <Anson> converting our net now to purr costs "only" almost 20 millions
13:44:56  <V453000> which is basically nothing in 2000
13:45:07  <Stablean> <bon> and what about in 1952 when I wanted it?
13:45:09  <Stablean> <Anson> need to go AFK for maybe half an hour
13:45:15  <Stablean> <bon> ok anson
13:45:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok
13:45:19  <Stablean> <bon> I may be afk by then too
13:45:20  <V453000> less tracks in 1940, less cost
13:45:23  <Stablean> <bon> nope
13:45:30  <Stablean> <bon> still had same tracks
13:45:42  <V453000> so you didnt build any tracks for 60 years
13:45:43  <V453000> congratulations
13:45:44  <Stablean> <bon> now I only finally was able to remove half of the rails atm
13:46:03  <Stablean> <bon> says mr.clueless
13:46:05  <Stablean> <bon> :)
13:46:09  <V453000> !players
13:46:11  <Stablean> V453000: Client 255 (Mauve) is CGW, in company 3 (Cresmont Express)
13:46:12  <Stablean> V453000: Client 377 (Orange) is Mark, in company 5 (Mark Transport)
13:46:12  <Stablean> V453000: Client 197 (Dark Blue) is Anson, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
13:46:12  <Stablean> V453000: Client 356 (Dark Blue) is happy tran  sport, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
13:46:12  <Stablean> V453000: Client 358 (Brown) is bon, in company 2 (rapidee sailing co.)
13:46:13  <Stablean> V453000: Client 375 (Pale Green) is JoeSchmoe, in company 9 (JoeSchmoe Transport)
13:46:13  <V453000> fine
13:46:17  <V453000> !rcon kick 358
13:46:18  <Stablean> V453000: players
13:46:18  <Stablean> V453000: server_info
13:46:18  <Stablean> V453000: clients
13:46:18  <Stablean> V453000: echo doneclientcount
13:46:18  <Stablean> V453000: #:1(Blue) Company Name: 'Pear Transport'  Year Founded: 1922  Money: 126499109  Loan: 0  Value: 126522647  (T:9, R:0, P:0, S:0) protected
13:46:19  <Stablean> V453000: you have 25 more messages
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13:46:43  <Stablean> <bon> you really want stop being an admin? ;)
13:46:52  <V453000> will I?
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13:49:15  <V453000> btw if you think calling people clueless helps your argument, not much
13:49:32  <Stablean> <bon> its because it actually is..even anson has been trying to explain it too
13:50:01  <V453000> if two wrong people meet it does not make them right
14:08:02  <Stablean> <bon> afk for a bit now...just almost done tho
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14:37:17  <Stablean> <Anson> back for half an hour
14:37:25  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> wb
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14:54:12  <Stablean> <Anson> you just colored part of the mainline blue, some red, some green ... that made it even more difficult to see than if it would have stayed uncolored
14:54:49  <V453000> looks more like a parrot to me in such case
14:55:02  <V453000> 2 colours are enough imo
14:55:10  <V453000> with the rest perhaps in small details
14:55:22  <V453000> but yeah depends
14:56:01  <Stablean> <Anson> problems in communication ... the mainline should get one color to more easily see it, but i agree with you, it now is a wild parrot and even more difficult to see than if it would be uncolored
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15:08:25  <Stablean> <V453000> oh I get it now why happy said production isnt sufficient, you dont bring ES :D
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15:37:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> whonts   the  proberm  sss gen
15:37:50  <Stablean> <SSGen> first time
15:38:02  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> welcume  to the  server
15:38:16  <Stablean> <SSGen> thanks
15:38:20  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> np
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15:38:42  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> read  the  rules  ferst  be  for   u plaly
15:38:48  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> wb   mark
15:38:52  <Stablean> <Mark> :)
15:39:22  <Stablean> <SSGen> will do right now
15:39:26  <Stablean> <SSGen> thanks for info
15:39:38  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bp
15:40:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice   pax  net werk  cgw
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15:42:44  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> cgw   u got  a tran  q
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15:44:35  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
15:44:38  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
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15:46:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  wood
15:47:05  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi happy
15:47:15  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> geesh i always miss the start
15:47:21  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi all
15:47:21  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
15:47:27  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> good thanks, you/
15:47:33  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ?
15:47:40  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
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15:54:12  <JoeSchmoe_> hi
15:54:26  <Stablean> <Mark> hi
15:54:32  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
15:54:48  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi
15:55:14  <JoeSchmoe_> Anyone want to take over JoeSchmoe transport
15:55:27  <JoeSchmoe_> I must have a jam and I'm at work
15:55:47  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yup, see the jam
15:55:57  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep  i see  it  to
15:56:15  <JoeSchmoe_> At the big station?
15:56:27  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> junk yard
15:56:30  <JoeSchmoe_> yup
15:56:47  <JoeSchmoe_> I was tinkering right before work and must have broke something
15:56:59  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hate when that happens
15:57:01  <Stablean> <Djanxy> looks like it below actually
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15:57:47  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> if  u  can not  fixs       then   just  send  me  your  password  and  we  can fixs  it
15:57:49  <JoeSchmoe_> Well if anyone needs the password it is abc
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15:58:11  <JoeSchmoe_> Thanks for the help
15:58:17  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> np
15:58:59  <JoeSchmoe_> feel free to take over the company and run it if you like, otherwise just parking a couple Iron Ore main trains should work
15:59:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  got  a company  but  thanks
15:59:28  <Stablean> <Djanxy> I put a sign at the root of the cause
15:59:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> so you can check later if you want
15:59:36  <JoeSchmoe_> thanks
16:00:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ther  the tran  jam is  gon now
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16:00:50  <JoeSchmoe_> thanks
16:00:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> np
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16:01:57  <Stablean> <bon> hi for a few minutes mark, butcher, anson and djanxy? :)
16:02:03  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> ya know things would be a lot worse if that guy bon was here...oh HI bon!
16:02:09  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> didn't see you
16:02:15  <Stablean> <bon> butcher....worser? why?? :P
16:02:18  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> lol hi
16:02:20  <Stablean> <bon> should I chop you up? :)
16:02:30  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> you could try
16:02:40  <Stablean> <bon> whats going on anyway?
16:02:55  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> <- just watching atm
16:03:09  <Stablean> <bon> about yesterday.....
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16:03:24  <Stablean> <bon> mark..check sign for your name
16:03:27  <Stablean> <bon> thats what I asked about
16:03:59  <Stablean> <Mark> oh did i build that? :D
16:04:10  <Stablean> <Mark> must have been by accident
16:04:13  <Stablean> <bon> heh :)
16:04:19  <Stablean> <Anson> happy: just finished undoing most of what your coloring has done :-(
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16:04:23  <Stablean> <bon> anyway to kill the last rail piece finally...
16:04:49  <Stablean> <bon> and I hope  next map I can finish things at a more reasonable rate
16:04:50  <Stablean> *** Pear has left the game (leaving)
16:04:58  <Stablean> <bon> I mean..seriously.. 1920>2021 and I haven't even really started yet
16:05:00  <Stablean> <bon> oh well :)
16:05:36  <Stablean> <Anson> happy : mainline is blue now, and white are all those parts which still need work (and should have stayed rails until done; but making them white now is cheaper than convertibng back to rail
16:06:22  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> crap I gotta go, cyas
16:06:28  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
16:06:30  <Stablean> <bon> ok :)
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16:07:30  <Stablean> <bon> on for a bit...go to make lunch then be back on for a bit again...then go for my afternoon apt etc.... fun :-s
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16:12:48  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> djanxy    company        9  needs   shorting  out
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16:24:15  <JoeSchmoe_> did it jam again
16:24:25  <Stablean> <bon> did what?
16:24:31  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yes
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16:24:54  <Stablean> <bon> what jammed? :-s
16:25:06  <JoeSchmoe_> send some iron ore mains to a depot
16:25:24  <Stablean> <bon> oh lol...this is why you don't use a multi-industries station tbh
16:25:28  <JoeSchmoe_> they are the long iron ore
16:25:30  <Stablean> <bon> :)
16:25:33  <JoeSchmoe_> lol
16:25:54  <JoeSchmoe_> this is why things need to be absolutely jam proof in a server game
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16:26:09  <Stablean> <bon> and better trains? :)
16:26:15  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i  thinke    the    scrap   yard   pike  up  need  to biger
16:26:31  <Stablean> <bon> needs to be split up first
16:26:58  <JoeSchmoe_> like I said feel free to take over if you like...
16:27:12  <JoeSchmoe_> you can even put a sign there for anyone to take over
16:27:18  <Stablean> <bon> too busy being 70 years behind so no thanks sorry :)
16:27:40  <Stablean> <bon> and beside if I tried take over it would be *massive* rebuilds all over again so..yeah...pass :-s
16:27:54  <JoeSchmoe_> no prob
16:28:54  <JoeSchmoe_> it will be what it will be when I get back to it
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16:30:05  <Stablean> <bon> afk for a few minutes-ish
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16:47:53  <Stablean> <bon> back for a short time now
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16:56:03  <Stablean> <bon> ok... 0% rails now finally... how many years has it been? -_-
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16:58:13  <Stablean> <bon> I still think if this had been ukrs I would probably have tons of Type 4 heavy freights all over the place together with some of these southern emus for pax
16:58:17  <Stablean> <bon> but what am I saying :)
16:58:36  <Stablean> <bon> still busy like crazy there mark?
16:58:43  <Stablean> <Mark> should have just used medium class tl 3
16:58:49  <Stablean> <Mark> this is way better than ukrs
16:59:07  <Stablean> <Mark> yeah getting some trains running now
16:59:22  <Stablean> <bon> oic..did you fund the refinery or it just showed up there?
16:59:32  <Stablean> <Mark> funded it
16:59:34  <Stablean> <bon> heh :)
16:59:36  <Stablean> <Mark> both of them
17:00:10  <Stablean> <bon> way or another I just hope next map has...maybe ... a bit more hills and lot less mountains
17:00:16  <Stablean> <bon> but ehhh we'll see
17:00:22  <Stablean> <Mark> not if i make it
17:00:40  <Stablean> <Mark> you can make a map yourself if you like
17:01:30  <Stablean> <bon> heh...mmm .. I'm going be out part of the day tomorrow but... I could see what I think tonight if I'm not busy online tho
17:02:08  <Stablean> <bon> btw does '!setdef' set everything or only certain items such as signals?
17:02:16  <Stablean> <Mark> only a few settings
17:02:45  <Stablean> <bon> oh ok...remind me to edit the map so its not saved with my own preferences
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17:02:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi vinnie
17:02:53  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
17:02:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
17:02:59  <Stablean> <Mark> hi
17:03:01  <Stablean> <bon> brb anyway
17:03:07  <Stablean> <Vinnie> good and with you?
17:03:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> good
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17:10:52  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> ok  got ot go         be back  later
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17:35:04  <Stablean> <bon> need to go now -_-
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19:01:24  <Jam35> k np
19:01:44  <Jam35> wrong channel :p
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19:07:18  <Stablean> <skyem123> what?
19:07:35  <Stablean> <skyem123> ???
19:08:15  <BoSS_MEECH> ?????
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19:31:32  <happy_> hi  all
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19:33:10  <BoSS_MEECH> yo!
19:44:25  <V453000> screw you meech
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19:45:16  <Stablean> <V453000> Mark is not using slugs to have 1:1 ratio of the farm cargo wagons
19:45:18  <Stablean> <V453000> G_G
19:45:58  <Stablean> <V453000> [I think autoreplace removes front wagons first]
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20:44:52  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
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21:35:55  <Stablean> <bon> hey anson? :)
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21:36:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi bon
21:36:09  <Stablean> <bon> hi djanxy
21:36:51  <Stablean> <bon> I see aeg still hasn't came back yet
21:37:05  <Stablean> <bon> or...even niko..I thought I liked niko :->
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21:37:56  <Stablean> <Djanxy> im just watching the amount of pax networks on this map
21:38:12  <Stablean> <bon> heh I would had gotten into that if it wasn't for a particular gap
21:38:18  <Stablean> <bon> but maybe next map ^_^
21:39:00  <Stablean> <Djanxy> considered building something, but all the possile spots i checked is missing an important link of the chain
21:39:11  <Stablean> <bon> mm
21:40:23  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy so do you think you like copious mountains like as this map is now?
21:40:50  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i like variety - think it's fine that some maps are like this
21:41:09  <Stablean> <Djanxy> we recently had a very flat map
21:41:35  <Stablean> <bon> mm ok just curious about what to try on a last-minute map to see if mark wants it or not ^_^
21:41:45  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :P
21:41:51  <Stablean> <bon> still need to ask someone about some particular settings tho
21:41:57  <Stablean> <Djanxy> cant go wrong with hilly imo
21:42:08  <Stablean> <Djanxy> which ones ?
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21:42:38  <Stablean> <bon> average bridge, townsize, etc?
21:43:13  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ah
21:43:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> well the settings i've seen sofar has bridges from 8-12 tiles
21:46:41  <Stablean> <bon> mm yeah I was thinking of like 10 or so too
21:47:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> and please turn inflation off, serves no real purpose here ;)
21:47:45  <Stablean> <bon> o......k
21:47:45  <Stablean> <bon> :)
21:48:15  <Stablean> <Djanxy> only really makes it much harder if you start at later date
21:48:21  <Stablean> <bon> yeah
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21:56:31  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy...just asking but what you think of long mass of lands versus actual individual islands?
21:56:41  <Stablean> <bon> (I know that industry populating is another matter but heh)
21:57:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont mind either, but more islands helps the seperation of companies ;)
21:57:29  <Stablean> <bon> yeah thats one thing indeed
21:58:03  <Stablean> <bon> and ofc...make sure that anything related to water (too bad it affects bridges on diagonal tiles but oh well) costs like ten billion dollars :p
21:58:09  <Stablean> <Djanxy> usual problem with islands is that there's often some smal-ishl useless ones
21:58:11  <Stablean> <bon> right? :)
21:58:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
21:58:51  <Stablean> <bon> well...the small-ish ones can be adjusted manually unless they're too small to hold anything but a tiny village right? ;)
21:59:01  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i guess
21:59:04  <Stablean> <bon> like is with Callaghan now
21:59:10  <Stablean> <bon> almost no land there heh
21:59:20  <Stablean> <Djanxy> ;)
21:59:42  <Stablean> <Djanxy> also mean stuff like Pelican Point
21:59:58  <Stablean> <bon> mmm yeah
22:00:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> (tho that one can be reached)
22:00:40  <Stablean> <bon> mind you of the previous map or something...I started on a tiny island but it was only 3 tile hop over water to another island so I basically end up owning both islands and fouling any possible bridge crossing points I could with all the crosstraffics :)
22:01:02  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah as long as they are reachable its fine
22:01:02  <Stablean> <bon> eg oilwell was on one island but refinery was on other .. same for lumber etc
22:01:04  <Stablean> <bon> that was a weird one
22:01:26  <Stablean> <bon> the only thing that didn't require the bottlenecked bridge was one coal mine and the pax services
22:01:34  <Stablean> <bon> go figure..oh well don't want repeat that anyway
22:02:25  <Stablean> <bon> djanxy you on irc too?
22:02:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yes
22:04:06  <bon> to sum it up anyway.. bridge 10, modest town sizes with slow growth, large islands, industries to be seen, absurb water costs, no planes, basecost inclusive, perhaps either arctic or temperate
22:04:13  <bon> anything else related to landscape I should think of yet?
22:04:35  <Djanxy> dont think so
22:05:08  <bon> np...will see what I play around with after supper. 50/50 chance its still one of mark's own map maybe tho
22:05:15  <Taede> high plane/boat runningcost
22:05:41  <Taede> max numbers can be changed in running game, so they are unimportant, though low (<20) is a good start
22:06:03  <bon> taede I'll prefer to allow a tiny number of ships tho (I know some people don't use them for tiny islands but mm .. we'll see anyway)
22:06:14  <Djanxy> <-afkish a bit, playing different game with a friend
22:06:20  <bon> ok djanxy..have fun
22:06:36  <bon> and planes'll be off so no need to worry about their costs :)
22:08:01  <bon> mm...what does anyone think of tropical anyway? (islands may be a bit harder with re requiring food+water constantly to grow on some tiles)
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22:30:01  <Stablean> <bon> hi t1000
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23:08:33  <Stablean> <bon> afk to eat
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23:24:21  <Stablean> <bon> *stares at the two other players not letting autopause happen*
23:24:27  <Stablean> <bon> heh oh well doesn't matter a lot this late now
23:32:25  <happy_> hi  bon
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23:33:34  <MEECHwoooooo> wooooooooooo
23:33:38  <bon> how're you happy?
23:33:41  <happy_> hi
23:33:51  <happy_> good  thanks
23:34:03  <happy_> how  ar  u
23:34:22  <bon> doing ok ty
23:34:31  <happy_> how  things   meech woooo
23:34:42  <MEECHwoooooo> wooooooo!
23:35:14  <Djanxy> meeeeechh wp
23:35:38  <happy_> hi  djanxy
23:36:34  <Stablean> <bon> just trying to figure out where to find more recyclables...there is one with 500+ tonnes but its a bit hard to get without a short boat detour tho (city overgrow)
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23:39:41  <Stablean> <bon> oh....damn....
23:39:55  <Stablean> <bon> '2106 tonnes of recyclables' .. thats quite heavy....
23:40:09  <Stablean> <bon> hmm each ship carries 240 tonnes .. not sure I want try that
23:42:56  <MEECHwoooooo> sliceyyyyyy
23:43:03  <Stablean> <Slicey> yoooooo
23:43:23  <Stablean> <bon> say anyone seen skyem recently or not so much?
23:43:38  <MEECHwoooooo> yoyoyoy!
23:44:04  <Stablean> <Slicey> so i finally play openttd and the maps basicly full -.-
23:44:05  <MEECHwoooooo> skyem was here earlier
23:44:25  <Stablean> <bon> slicey not so much but that depends which things you're looking at
23:44:39  <Stablean> <bon> mmm meech..thanks anyway..wanted ask about an unused industry near pax station..oh well
23:44:41  <Stablean> <bon> will just wait
23:45:00  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea but i dont want to have to make an complex sysytem lol
23:45:11  <Stablean> <Slicey> ill start in a sec
23:45:13  <Stablean> <bon> take a coal mine
23:45:23  <Stablean> <bon> goes straight to steel mill or another metal plant :P
23:45:25  <Stablean> <Slicey> hmm
23:45:31  <Stablean> <Slicey> lots of bauxite
23:45:31  <Stablean> <Slicey> also
23:45:53  <MEECHwoooooo> or ask to join another team
23:45:56  <Stablean> <bon> that goes to one specific plant but you could use that too
23:46:02  <Stablean> <bon> btw slicey...
23:46:09  <Stablean> <Slicey> yesh??
23:46:19  <Stablean> <bon> if you see a lot of raw but no nearby refined industry...just ask me..I could probably fund one for you
23:46:37  <Stablean> <Slicey> lol ok man thanks
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23:48:27  <Stablean> <bon> btw someone need to kick joe's poor station layout :)
23:48:45  <Stablean> <Slicey> lol
23:49:04  <Stablean> <bon> slicey... look up Piikani...
23:49:04  <MEECHwoooooo> nice to see we have a alemon and slice here
23:49:16  <Stablean> <bon> bad design of trying to cram 4+ cargos into just one single station
23:49:26  <Stablean> <bon> I would had put at least *three* separate stationnames :)
23:49:26  <Stablean> <Slicey> i see that
23:49:40  <Stablean> <bon> and not to mention why is a train able to loop around and jam its own tail?
23:49:42  <Stablean> <bon> silly eh?
23:49:52  <Stablean> <Slicey> i just was about to say that
23:50:10  <Stablean> <Slicey> wait a second
23:50:20  <Stablean> <Slicey> what is the otehr track that loops around for????
23:50:22  <Stablean> <bon> I signed the specific train in question .. aka train 18
23:50:25  <Stablean> <Slicey> other*
23:50:28  <Stablean> <bon> you tell me!
23:50:42  <Stablean> <Slicey> he should give me his stuff lol jk :)
23:50:42  <Stablean> <bon> aka I got no f----ing clue :)
23:50:44  <Stablean> <bon> hehehehe
23:50:55  <Stablean> <Slicey> but rly
23:51:01  <Stablean> <bon> slicey...I think joe did mention wanting to give co to someone but I turned it down as I would had blown up a lot of it
23:51:37  <Stablean> <bon> you always could try catch joe and ask tho
23:51:43  <Stablean> <Slicey> im literaly puzzled why there is that looping track
23:51:58  <Stablean> <bon> as I said...NO CLUE
23:52:00  <Stablean> <bon> ;)
23:52:18  <Stablean> <Slicey> any chance you could fund an aluminum plant??
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23:52:41  <Stablean> <bon> like what town are the mines-or-whatever close to?
23:53:28  <Stablean> <Slicey> at sign !aluminum plant
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23:53:51  <Stablean> <bon> so you going use the bauxite mines near camrose right?
23:54:01  <Stablean> <Slicey> yup the 4
23:54:15  <Stablean> <Slicey> then theres 3 near Charles lake
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23:54:42  <Stablean> <bon> ok one sec then
23:55:56  <Stablean> <Slicey> ty :)
23:56:19  <Stablean> <bon> there you go..have fun
23:56:37  <Stablean> <Slicey> must destroy all trees!!!!
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23:57:05  <Stablean> <bon> and btw....
23:57:16  <Stablean> <bon> you don't have to really destroy trees...just hit Transparency for the moment
23:57:18  <Stablean> <Slicey> yes??
23:57:19  <Stablean> <bon> ;)
23:57:28  <Stablean> <Slicey> i know i dont like trees
23:57:32  <Stablean> <Slicey> well in the game
23:57:42  <Stablean> <bon> well you need to mind mayor ratings
23:57:49  <Stablean> <bon> otherwise any stations inside town zones will be denied
23:57:51  <Stablean> <bon> :)
23:58:09  <Stablean> <bon> anyway have fun moving lot of ores :)
23:58:15  <Stablean> <Slicey> oh yea :)
23:58:26  <Stablean> <Slicey> for now a simple track :)
23:58:48  <Stablean> <bon> why not double in first place?? :P
23:59:07  <Stablean> <bon> this should boot you into doing that plus getitng decent trains
23:59:21  <Stablean> <bon> hehehe
23:59:23  <Stablean> <Slicey> well my siple is double :)
23:59:29  <Stablean> <Slicey> and ty :P
23:59:31  <Stablean> <Slicey> simple*
23:59:57  <Stablean> <bon> for a moment I was like X_<

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