Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 13th November 2013:
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00:46:51  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hey anson
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00:56:15  <happy_> hi  djanxy
00:56:26  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hey happy
00:56:39  <happy_> how  things
00:57:02  <Stablean> <Djanxy> good thanks - you ?
00:57:19  <happy_> grate
00:57:26  <Stablean> <Djanxy> good :D
00:57:30  <happy_> thanks
00:57:49  <happy_> gn   have fun
00:57:52  <Stablean> <Djanxy> nn
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01:07:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i see you are up to 4 lines ;)
01:07:28  <Stablean> <Djanxy> or... 3
01:07:46  <Stablean> <Anson> i was away a bit and when i returned i saw a partial quad
01:07:56  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hehe
01:08:12  <Stablean> <Djanxy> partial as in everything but connections ? :D
01:08:43  <Stablean> <Anson> triple should be finished for all the goods/food tracks
01:09:45  <Stablean> <Anson> i just shifted a few lines ... the 4th was just built up to the water and continued behind the water .... at !water
01:09:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> goods trains dont seem to wanna leave to the 3rd line
01:10:55  <Stablean> <Djanxy> dont see why though
01:11:49  <Stablean> <Anson> hehe, found the problem : !SIG
01:12:00  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh
01:12:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> looked for one, but not there ;)
01:12:48  <Stablean> <Djanxy> since some non goods train took it, but those must have those that split before
01:12:54  <Stablean> <Anson> i did brute force testing : forced a train on the 3rd and watched where it would get stuck :-)
01:13:52  <Stablean> <Anson> i also have started to double the line after the split to the goods/food drop
01:14:06  <Stablean> <Anson> was blocked by the town and bad town ratings
01:15:04  <Stablean> <Anson> but could bomb the two houses just now and finish the double
01:15:47  <Stablean> <Anson> then it will also be easier to to the quad : merge 2->1 twice, instead of merging 4->1
01:15:54  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
01:17:36  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh, the classic pickup/drop at same station
01:17:40  <Stablean> <Djanxy> (at bacil)
01:17:50  <Stablean> <Djanxy> why he's going out of business
01:19:08  <Stablean> <Anson> when i looked at red in the evening, i saw lots of old weak trains, some too short, some too long, and only orthogonal tracks with 2x45 degree curves
01:19:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yup :)
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01:19:54  <Stablean> <Djanxy> uhm btw
01:20:20  <Stablean> <Djanxy> your town drop looks to be at capacity without the 4th line :D
01:20:43  <Stablean> <Anson> when building multi-tracks (more than double, eg triple or quad, it is very useful when signals are placed in sync .... makes it a lot easier to eg shift lines, build temp connections, etc ...
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01:21:15  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah i guess
01:21:18  <Stablean> <Anson> that's why i had to stop one lane by the reversed signal (and forgot it)
01:21:36  <Stablean> <Anson> also had a crash because of it :-(
01:21:43  <Stablean> <Djanxy> happens :D
01:27:54  <Stablean> <Djanxy> could use more signals in the waiting bays !here
01:30:44  <Stablean> <Djanxy> did you see that?
01:35:56  <Stablean> <Anson> before, there were more signals, but together with presignals at the X
01:36:22  <Stablean> <Anson> trains would always wait for each other and thus i tried changing to pbs instead
01:36:57  <Stablean> <Djanxy> can still use more block signals - new trains can only join the waiting bays when the one infront is almost out of it
01:36:59  <Stablean> <Anson> but to not block the X when jamming a little, i had to remove signals behind the X
01:37:45  <Stablean> <Djanxy> just dont have any behind the waiting trains
01:37:45  <Stablean> <Anson> like this ?
01:37:51  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
01:38:25  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yup, join a little faster now
01:39:15  <Stablean> <Anson> this was the old version ...
01:39:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
01:39:43  <Stablean> <Djanxy> not a big difference as long as the waiting bays are almost never empty
01:40:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> not a big fan of the cross in the first place though :D
01:40:31  <Stablean> <Anson> difference is that with pbs, trains can go through the X in parallel
01:40:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
01:42:20  <Stablean> <Anson> with presignals, they almost could as well use a single track :-)
01:43:06  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :P
01:44:58  <Stablean> <Anson> look !here ... i just freed one lane above the tunnels by shifting the old lane to a double bridge :-) LOL
01:45:52  <Stablean> <Anson> now i can continue doubling the line from east and do a 4->2 merge, or two 2->1 merges later
01:47:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> mm
01:49:25  <Stablean> <Anson> the other way around of course .... 2+1 -> 2 twice, instead of 4+1->4
01:49:39  <Stablean> <Anson> currently doing 3+1->3
01:50:13  <Stablean> <Djanxy> btw, you seen the current PSG ?
01:51:12  <Stablean> <Anson> was too busy here and in RL
01:51:18  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :
01:51:20  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :P
01:51:42  <Stablean> <Djanxy> should check out the entry/exit to factory
01:51:52  <Stablean> <Anson> i hate this ... we have purr and can easily mark mainline and two sidelines which meet in a big hub with colors ...
01:51:54  <Stablean> <Djanxy> one big spghetti right there
01:52:24  <Stablean> <Anson> just tried to follow some rails of the ML, and suddenly was on the SL because the rails have the wrong color now
01:54:02  <Stablean> <Djanxy> im too lazy to switch the colors all the time :D
01:59:41  <Stablean> <Anson> how do you like the colored spaghetti now ? .-)
02:00:31  <Stablean> <Djanxy> im pretty indifferent
02:04:43  <Stablean> <Anson> look for an example around the sign "done /itkerry"
02:05:33  <Stablean> <Anson> that was a blue mess of spaghetti before ... now you easily see where the green and yellow sidelines come from, where they are merged, and where the blue mainline goes through
02:06:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
02:06:44  <Stablean> <Anson> you also can easily see the layout of having the two sidelines merge first (1+1->3), and then merge to the 4 mainlines
02:08:06  <Stablean> <Anson> i also like to mark errors with red ... as well as temp start and end of doubled lines and similar
02:14:37  <Stablean> <Djanxy> check sign at bbh - could give a bit more room for the new line on other side
02:15:13  <Stablean> <Djanxy> having double bridges for each split is a bit overkill imo
02:18:24  <Stablean> <Anson> that maybe from some routine ... always just build one rail as you think it may be nice, and when it happens to cross another, automatically put down a double bridge/tunnels withut thinking
02:18:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D
02:19:02  <Stablean> <Anson> and when a triple crosses a line, you automatically get 6 bridges
02:19:04  <Stablean> <Djanxy> as long an they have some room infront them before they merge, as they do there, it will work fine imo
02:19:19  <Stablean> <Djanxy> behind them i mean ofc
02:19:43  <Stablean> <Anson> in this case, you need to look where the tracks are going .... and here, it is two singletrack sidelines
02:20:49  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i dont care where they are going, just concluded that i didnt see many trains going there :D
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02:22:24  <Stablean> <Anson> in the old first version, the blue mainline ws only double ... at that time, i did two separate splits, ons before the lake (to green) and one behind the lake (for yellow)
02:23:15  <Stablean> <Anson> wouldn't that still be possible ? splitting the green line at !green
02:24:17  <Stablean> <Djanxy> you could, but dont see a need too
02:24:35  <Stablean> <Djanxy> when they might as well use the existing split
02:24:41  <Stablean> <Djanxy> just more clutter :D
02:25:48  <Stablean> <Djanxy> and for the 4th line you can just merge that with 3rd line split
02:25:54  <Stablean> <Anson> now it splits for yellow and gtreen at the same time, and thus more trains could go on the same rail at one time ... thus all the double bridges
02:26:20  <Stablean> <Djanxy> they could, but looks like it would rarely be the case
02:26:38  <Stablean> <Anson> splitting only yellow there would allow to split and even merge and then cross the blue mainline with a single bridge (or a single doublebridge)
02:26:53  <Stablean> <Anson> and the same in front of the lake for green
02:27:15  <Stablean> <Djanxy> well it's up to you ;)
02:29:49  <Stablean> <Anson> that's what couldn't be seen easily before when all had the same color ... now you can see that behind those 6 bridges and the merge, there are only 4 rails, one RR (yellow and green) at first, and later a RR (one yellow, one green) ... thus not complicated, not much traffic, etc
02:31:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> to be honest i would just consider it one sideline really - yellow one is just 2 stations
02:32:45  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah that works
02:32:47  <Stablean> <Anson>   !like this ?
02:33:15  <Stablean> <Anson> and then the same again for the 3rd and 4th
02:33:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yup
02:36:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> now you can remove the middle bridges and do the same as with the tunnels to the other 2
02:36:47  <Stablean> <Anson> lol ... i almost had forgotten about the 4th ...
02:37:30  <Stablean> <Anson> now it easy to see that the 4th ends somewhere :-) .... in red
02:37:44  <Stablean> <Djanxy> mm
02:38:39  <Stablean> <Djanxy> you can just go around the split with the 4th
02:38:45  <Stablean> <Anson> when there are 6-8 lanes next to each other, and all are in blue, who can see how many of them are ML lanes and whether the 4th is already included or nmot ?
02:39:03  <Stablean> <Djanxy> the trained eye i guess :D
02:40:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> oh well, im off
02:40:11  <Stablean> <Djanxy> better get to bed early tonight :D
02:40:26  <Stablean> <Anson> the one who built it ... but to see it on the next say yourself, or for others to see it, is much harder
02:40:53  <Stablean> <Djanxy> mm
02:41:05  <Stablean> <Djanxy> goodnight and happy building
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04:25:43  <BiG_MEECH> !date
04:25:43  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH:  6 Dec 2188
04:25:46  <BiG_MEECH> !date
04:25:46  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH:  7 Dec 2188
04:25:50  <BiG_MEECH> !players
04:25:52  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Client 719 (Blue) is Anson, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
04:55:46  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, pink company ... your entire network is jammed !!!!!
04:56:16  <BiG_MEECH> !players
04:56:19  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Client 719 (Blue) is Anson, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
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05:01:13  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo meech
05:01:20  <Stablean> <Big Meech> yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
05:01:30  <Stablean> <Anson> look at the pink company ... is there anything we can do ?
05:01:40  <Stablean> <Big Meech> nope
05:01:52  <Stablean> <Anson> deadlock since summmer 2189 because of one bad signal
05:01:58  <Stablean> <Big Meech> good
05:03:08  <Stablean> <Anson> never use a 2way signal between a depot and the network, or trains will face each other and start fighting :-)
05:03:26  <Stablean> <Big Meech> I could care less
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07:16:02  <BiG_MEECH> !players
07:16:04  <Stablean> BiG_MEECH: Client 719 (Blue) is Anson, in company 4 (happy tran  sport Transport)
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08:06:38  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, zlo
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11:02:48  <bon> hi
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11:05:54  <bon> hi djanxy? :)
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11:19:04  <Stablean> <Djanxy> there we go - yeah was a bit headless thing i did last night
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11:21:38  <Stablean> <Anson> hallo, djanxy
11:21:57  <Stablean> <Anson> did you find the signal at the depot ?
11:22:08  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yup
11:22:15  <Stablean> <Djanxy> silly mistake
11:23:19  <Stablean> <Anson> at first i had thought it would be the Y-reverser (instead of the usual arrow-reverser), but it perfect for your TL 2.5 (while most people have TL 3 instead)
11:24:14  <Stablean> <Anson> i hope, no primaries have died because of the long non-service ...
11:25:06  <Stablean> <Djanxy> looks like primaries survived, just had to fund secondaries
11:25:44  <Stablean> <Anson> yes, secondaries are easy to replace
11:27:34  <Stablean> <Djanxy> looks like you got some better flow with the 4th line
11:27:42  <bon> :)
11:28:07  <Stablean> <Anson> I'm just finetuning stations ... some had 1500 in the meantime, but are back to 700 now, and thus lots of unused trains in the depots ... overflow pays off since otherwise i would have had massive queues and even jams
11:28:08  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi bon
11:28:50  <bon> anson yeah I was wondering about the goods pickup always having trains waiting outside
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11:30:53  <Stablean> <Anson> most primaries went way up, but some also went way down ...
11:31:24  <Stablean> <Anson> that's the problem with a game that runs for hours while you are afk
11:32:29  <Stablean> <Anson> some people say that overflows are not needed since you should only add them slowly and only as much as needed, but that applies only to offline games, or eg the PS where always someone can watch and adjust if needed
11:32:44  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah
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11:33:18  <Stablean> <Anson> but on THIS server, i prefer always having overflows to take care while nobody is watching the company while the game runs
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11:37:05  <Stablean> <Anson> nice graphs, djanxy :-)
11:37:23  <Stablean> <Djanxy> well it's for the better anyways :D
11:37:37  <Stablean> <Djanxy> missed that water towers were gone too, so gonna improve a little bit more
11:38:25  <Stablean> <Anson> i want to have no train without profit ... quite difficult to achieve
11:40:31  <Stablean> <Anson> btw : i just added 15 more goods trains and 10 food trains, while at the same time reducing 3 stations by 15 trains
11:40:49  <Stablean> <Anson> 305 now ...
11:41:04  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :D
11:41:12  <Stablean> <Anson> how many would we have on a bigger island ? .-)
11:42:30  <Stablean> <Anson> crap ... failed again ... 3 trains with negative profit
11:45:12  <Stablean> <Anson> oh well, there is probably nothg that can be done ... the pickup is at the end of the network, and trains need to drive along three sides of a rectangle to get to the drop, but are only payed for the simple distance which corresponds to one side of the reactangle
11:46:22  <Stablean> <Djanxy> yeah, it gets that way with these islands
11:46:23  <bon> heh :)
11:46:38  <Stablean> <Djanxy> like at me, from Trefingpool to factory
11:46:40  <bon> don't tell me my fruit and food stations are overflowing too?
11:47:07  <Stablean> <Djanxy> alright, i wont tell you then
11:47:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> :P
11:47:49  <bon> heh figures...I should check about that wish I've had for some time for a production control grf..but ehh whatever
11:48:06  <bon> djanxy at least the town has all the food it can eat anyway right? :P
11:48:21  <Stablean> <Djanxy> i'd think so ;=
11:49:31  <Stablean> <Anson> i would like that too ... production limits so that it doesn't start with 6 livestock, but has 200+ for everything, and also a max limit of maybe 800 or 1000, but not those crazy 2000
11:50:29  <Stablean> <Djanxy> bon, unless each citizen eats more than 270kg of food pr month :D
11:50:52  <Stablean> <Anson> to achieve something in the beginning you try to grow industries, and in the end you are glad when the rating is low so that you can transport half the cargo that is produced
11:51:26  <V453000> I suggest to quit complaining and start coding a newgrf
11:52:14  <Taede> which is probably how most grf's get started
11:52:23  <Taede> nuts being case in point
11:52:40  <V453000> exactly
11:53:28  <Stablean> <Anson> there are some grfs which partially do what i like, but they are never used on maps here
11:53:43  <V453000> which ones?
11:53:49  <V453000> also who stopped you from making a map
11:53:50  <Taede> create a map which does use them?
11:56:27  <V453000> I am still curious about which are the magically oh so functional newgrfs that we forget
11:58:47  <V453000> please dont even try to say ecs or pikka basic industries
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11:59:37  <haapy> hi all
11:59:38  <Taede> maybe thats why he keeps quiet
11:59:41  <Taede> ello haapy
11:59:52  <Stablean> <Anson> experts servers - industries :-)
12:00:09  <bon> heh v453000 at least we agree on something..I never liked the way ecs and pikka operate especially with the forced 'must feed A+B not just A or B to be able to get production' thing
12:00:13  <V453000> I use that so long ago that I dont even remember what does it do
12:00:26  <Stablean> <Anson> i had to look up the name and a program kept using the entire screen ... had to kill it first :-(
12:00:27  <V453000> yes that is one of the very retarded features those things have bon
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12:01:02  <bon> thats exactly what I liked about can use whatever raw input you want to and it'll still give you some production anyway! (even if illogical such as feeding a dairy with only manufacting supplies alone)
12:01:15  <bon> but ehh yeah .. I wonder if anyone's even working on ecs/pbi anymore
12:01:36  <V453000> ecs has some slow development but the concept is so wrong that it cant really be saved I think
12:01:41  <bon> anson about your suggestion...i guess having a minimum production rate does seem to make sense
12:01:48  <V453000> firs had cute idea from the start but im not sure if the system got a bit forgotten later on
12:01:53  <haapy> hi  bon  how things
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12:02:16  <V453000> also having your industry die at idk, 16 production sounds a lot more user friendly than having it die at 100 or even 200 as you are saying
12:02:30  <bon> v453000 at least ttrs isn't too bad is it? :)
12:02:33  <haapy> hi v
12:02:39  <bon> hi happy
12:02:41  <V453000> ttrs is towns
12:02:42  <Stablean> <RTM> hi Djanxy
12:02:48  <Stablean> <RTM> hi happy tran  sport
12:02:50  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
12:02:52  <Stablean> <RTM> hi Anson
12:02:59  <Stablean> <RTM> hi Stablean
12:03:16  <V453000> if you mean FIRS, then FIRS is indeed the best industry newGRF. But that does not make it better than original industries, or opengfx+ for that matter
12:03:19  <Stablean> <RTM> on web chat!!
12:03:43  <haapy> how  things  v
12:03:44  <bon> how're you happy? happy as usual I hope? heh :)
12:03:51  <Stablean> <Anson> production die at 100 or 200 ? i didn't say that ... i wanted to limit the range of production : maybe 200-1000 instead of 6-2000
12:03:58  <haapy> good  thanks
12:04:11  <V453000> 200 is retardedly high for start Anson
12:04:21  <V453000> well if you want to limit it, when do industries die then
12:04:27  <V453000> at minimum?
12:04:28  <V453000> never?
12:05:06  <bon> heh I guess anson's suggestion does maybe have two small bullet holes in it
12:05:08  <V453000> 1000 maximum makes somewhat sense but isnt terribly important either
12:05:52  <Stablean> <Anson> the start of 200 would help if some people start later ... in 1920, starting low makes sense, but if a new company starts in 2200 and gets only 20 production, that is crazy
12:06:21  <V453000> fine, if you have that problem then do it differently
12:06:25  <V453000> but setting a minimum isnt very good
12:06:37  <V453000> you could e.g. have new industries spawn more often and keep production for longer
12:07:04  <V453000> or, die quicker (e.g keeping 50 production for a while and then die, but a new one quickly spawns somewhere around)
12:07:31  <Stablean> <Anson> what about only setting the start amount to 100-200, and not use that as minimum, but keep the minimum as it is now ?
12:08:32  <V453000> why would you increase amount of production at game start
12:08:37  <V453000> isnt that enough as it is?
12:09:07  <V453000> I think original industries lack only in one area - the growth is steadily slow for a long time, and once you get fast trains (like 200+), then they skyrocket
12:09:11  <Stablean> <Anson> as i already said : amount at the start of a company ... that is different from game start
12:09:34  <V453000> I think recoding the station algorithm and/or making industries grow more linearly would make mroe sense
12:09:39  <V453000> start of a company?
12:09:40  <Stablean> <Anson> at game start in 1920, very low production makes sense, but not for a new company in 2200
12:09:40  <V453000> thats dumb
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12:09:48  <V453000> how do you make a start of a company
12:09:54  <V453000> industry began to be serviced at all?
12:09:59  <V453000> what happens when it isnt serviced
12:13:00  <Stablean> <Anson> when a map starts empty and the year is only 1920, with small engines and wagons, low production makes sense, but if everything is available in 2100, it is annoying if you start with the smallest trains and a low production of 6-20 for many industries
12:13:37  <V453000> as I said, let industry die earlier with 50 production and let new ones spawn quicker
12:13:56  <Stablean> <Anson> offline games are deifferent since you select what you want. but when you enter a server which is already running a map for 100 years, it is a bit different
12:14:20  <V453000> should I say the same thing again?
12:14:33  <Stablean> <Anson> should i say the same thing again ?
12:14:39  <V453000> are you retarded or yes
12:14:46  <Stablean> <Anson> i am not speaking of die conditions
12:14:47  <V453000> if a new industry spawns for new players, where is problem
12:15:14  <Stablean> <Anson> i am speaking of the production amount that you start with when you join a running map much later
12:15:30  <V453000> which is X for NEW industries?
12:15:46  <V453000> and the industry CAN be NEW when you start your company whenever if they die/spawn anew?
12:17:20  <bon> anyway question on a different topic.. is purrail like only for nuts alone atm or mm well I mean what kind of railtype is it when used with a different trainset?
12:17:33  <V453000> should be any but not sure
12:17:49  <V453000> probably wont work with specific things like vactrains
12:17:55  <V453000> but cant say I want to have that work either
12:18:12  <bon> yeah ok, was just curious anyway. thanks
12:18:15  <V453000> if someone uses vactrains then they probably have brain cancer anyway
12:18:18  <V453000> yeah yw
12:18:24  <bon> that the one that looks like above-ground tunnel tubes?
12:18:47  <V453000> it basically behaves universally for all basic known railtypes -rail,elrl,mono,mglv, plus univ and wetr
12:18:56  <bon> ty
12:18:58  <V453000> plus obviously purr rails
12:19:05  <Stablean> <Anson> vac are the trains that need 500+ tiles to get to max speed, but then drive at 3000+
12:19:08  <V453000> yeah a newgrf with trains which go stupid speeds
12:19:31  <bon> tried that for one shredded the next day (recycled...trashed...whatever your os calls it!)
12:19:33  <bon> :->
12:19:58  <bon> still haven't tried that quirky "pipelines" grf I noticed on forum but mm ne day if I feel like it maybe
12:20:28  <V453000> I find the pipelines just laziness to draw nice vehicles
12:20:28  <V453000> but yeah
12:20:48  <V453000> or are there some actually nice looking vehicles now?
12:21:14  <bon> btw I'm just asking but do you know about hydrofoil equipped ships?
12:21:32  <V453000> rather ask if I care :)
12:21:34  <Stablean> <Anson> to use vactrains, you need a map 64x2048, build a straight track (with cheated money, either flattening water and mountains, or just creating a flat world with the editor, and then can enjoy the train going highspeed once ...
12:22:42  <V453000> I think it is a bit better if you use multiple engines per train, but the simple logic is simple: high speed and terrible acceleration advises against building a network instaed of point to point
12:22:44  <V453000> thus is majorly wrong
12:22:52  <bon> heh v453000 well ok my random idea probably doesn't have much merit since you already got 120kph "animals" but .. I had been thinking about hydrofoil equipped boats being faster than the current 60-80kph ones
12:23:15  <V453000> you didnt yet mention gameplay usefulness bon
12:23:19  <Stablean> <Anson> the pipelines would be nice when combined with something else ... don't know what and how yet, but maybe like setting up one normal network with firs, and using a separate network for supplies
12:23:44  <bon> anson yeah thats one major problem with vactrains indeed
12:24:09  <bon> anson as long as you don't run into greenpeace/etc with your fat pipe running long way through natural landscape :P
12:24:10  <bon> heheheh
12:24:17  <bon> (just joking there)
12:25:17  <V453000> still, my former point still stands
12:25:24  <V453000> go code a newgrf if you want something to change
12:25:48  <V453000> ... OR start having gameplay constructive suggestions for NUTS before I invent them :P
12:25:52  <Stablean> <Anson> i think that the pipeline "trains" can transport everything that usually is transported with tankers ... thus also milk, rubber, and even eels when you have that grf :-)
12:27:03  <Stablean> <Anson> would greenpeace oppose eel pipelines ? ... maybe the wwf would oppose that idea of transporting eels :-)
12:27:17  <Taede> V: what engine bridges the gap between superstrong (cl1.5) and slugs(cl1.5)?
12:27:37  <Taede> does one of the monorail ones have cl1.5?
12:27:49  <V453000> well most chameleons do have CL2 yeah
12:27:51  <V453000> most.. :)
12:28:02  <V453000> maglev is generally very CL oriented
12:28:12  <V453000> fullspeed maglev medium is CL3, but making CL2 wont hurt much and CL1 either
12:28:33  <V453000> in other words if you dont abuse the CL, maglev will never be efficient for you
12:29:58  <V453000> ... I think superstrong should be more effective than slugs in most scenarios
12:30:30  <Taede> well, the speed advantage of slugs more than doubled my income in the last welcome-server game i played
12:30:40  <Taede> i went from last superstrong autoreplace to slugs
12:30:47  <Taede> slugs carried less, just lots faster
12:31:05  <V453000> well obviously but not like money is very useful :P
12:31:22  <Taede> well, what definition of effectiveness do you use?
12:31:27  * bon kinda likes to go after loading time instead of speed in some cases
12:32:32  <Stablean> <Anson> oh, max loan is capped ? inflation is off after some year ?
12:33:32  * Taede just likes long-ish trains (tl6-12)
12:33:52  <V453000> effectiveness basically is how much cargo can your network transport
12:33:55  <V453000> throughput
12:34:17  <V453000> TL6-12 basically is friendly with superstrong or monorail fast
12:34:24  <V453000> depends on if you want CL 1.5 or 10 :P
12:34:35  <Taede> hehe
12:34:38  <V453000> but even strong trains are good enough
12:34:40  <Taede> ill take 1.5
12:34:44  <V453000> obviously slugs are great
12:34:59  <V453000> but not that amazing in throughput alone :)
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12:35:55  <Taede> i prefer the look of a single superstrong engine over dualheaded halftile engines, but slugs are neat too
12:36:24  <V453000> :)
12:36:31  <Taede> if i ever make a new psg-plan, itll probably infolve tl13 superstrong or slugs
12:36:37  <V453000> well chameleons arent terrible either but for  the very long things they are a bit slow
12:36:53  <V453000> but you gain low CL in return
12:37:07  <V453000> superstrong is probably totally better there (:
12:37:58  <Stablean> <Anson> speaking of chami trains ... i am always confused about what a wagon is, what a unit is, etc
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12:38:28  <V453000> thats an achievement
12:38:35  <planetmaker> I sometimes wonder whether major OpenTTD versions should feature somewhat selected AI, GS and NewGRFs :D
12:38:46  <planetmaker> or whether that should be done at all. And if so how :-)
12:38:51  <V453000> AIs? why would openttd include AIs? :D
12:39:13  <Taede> i think openttd could do with 'presets'
12:39:27  <V453000> I think including things is bad, having "featured" things mentioned e.g. on openttd website aka "recommended newGRFs" would make a lot more sense to me
12:39:34  <Taede> which has newgrf's, gamescripts and possibly ai's as dependencies
12:39:43  <Taede> specific versions of them, just like savegames do
12:39:45  <Stablean> <Anson> and although it is nice to see many details in the description of the buy menu, the details need to be tested again, like speed and other properties changing with TL, one changes at even length, another at odd length, etc
12:40:29  <Taede> presets available through bananas that is
12:40:51  <V453000> not sure if presets are a good idea as someone would have to upkeep them, otherwise brutal mess
12:41:06  <V453000> and you know upkeeping isnt going to happen :P
12:41:10  <Taede> true
12:42:05  <V453000> I think just having an article describing newGRFs, or putting them in general categories, would make sense
12:42:18  <V453000> e.g. NUTS in one category, rest in "the other" :D :P
12:42:30  <bon> 'the other' makes no sense ;)
12:42:36  <Taede> nuts in the nutty grf category
12:42:47  <Taede> rest in 'sane'
12:42:50  <V453000> nuts is the gameplay-make-sense category :P
12:42:52  <Taede> xcept purr, that can join purr
12:42:54  <Taede> nuts*
12:43:02  <V453000> pf
12:43:13  <V453000> its just useful thats all it is :P
12:43:16  <V453000> no realistic bs
12:43:24  <V453000> or simlar  gameplay obstacles
12:44:20  <bon> well I'm sure a lot of other wiki editors would disagree with that kind of category ... just saying :)
12:44:38  <V453000> I did not say that a lot of other wiki editors have brain :)
12:45:18  <V453000> anybody can dislike nuts for how it looks etc, but I dont think it can be discussed if its gameplay is better refined than the other sets or not :P
12:46:04  <bon> actually I would had put NUTS under "others/frictious" :)
12:46:05  <V453000> mostly for the reason that nobody cares about how their sets are played
12:46:22  <bon> (next to opengfx)
12:47:15  <bon> oh yeah and the pipeline thing can go into that category too
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12:59:06  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  player
12:59:33  <Stablean> <Player> hi
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13:00:19  <Stablean> <Anson> Hi joe
13:00:38  <Stablean> <joezeff> this map is very old!!
13:01:00  <Stablean> <Anson> there was a lot to do :-)
13:01:54  <planetmaker> !date
13:01:54  <Stablean> planetmaker: 17 Nov 2226
13:02:00  <Stablean> <Anson> this server has no fixed end time, but a map lasts as long as people have something to do and as long as nobody has a new map
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13:06:31  <Stablean> <Anson> and in the pickup station, the left half has waiting trains and even uses the overflow, while on the right half, there are empty platforms ... needs better balancing, or maybe some balancing at all .-) .... but that requires time and effort, and much more space
13:07:25  <Stablean> <Anson> i don't think that it is worth it to start some more rebuild ... since it works now, and we already have 2227
13:07:41  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep  true
13:08:16  <Stablean> <Anson> but if some people want to keep the map for 1 or 2 more days, i would finally be able to take care of something else in RL :-)
13:08:36  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> true
13:08:43  <Stablean> <Anson> (that was my opinion about a new map :-)
13:09:16  <V453000> Anson you know you dont Have to play every map :D
13:09:59  <Stablean> <Anson> didn't know that ... where can i find details about that in the wiki ?
13:11:25  <V453000> yes
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13:54:12  <Taede> !info
13:54:12  <Stablean> Taede:
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14:39:03  <bon> meh got distracted by buses
14:48:14  <bon> anyone got some spare VT11.5 for me? heh :)
15:10:45  <bon> going out for now anyway
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15:40:48  <haapy> hi
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16:18:25  <haapy> hi  wood
16:18:35  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> hi happy how goes it?
16:18:42  <haapy> how  things
16:18:48  <Stablean> <Woodbutcher> good thanks
16:18:51  <haapy> good  thanks
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17:37:40  <Stablean> <solo> ello
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18:02:12  <happy_> ar  i see
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19:17:37  <happy_> hi  mark
19:17:45  <Stablean> <Mark> hi happy
19:17:51  <happy_> how  things
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19:21:47  <Stablean> <Dnz-Ali> hi
19:21:52  <happy_> hi
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19:26:45  <Stablean> <Mark> time for a new game?
19:26:51  <happy_> yep
19:27:06  <happy_> u got a  map
19:27:13  <Stablean> <Mark> no
19:27:16  <Stablean> <Mark> do you?
19:27:21  <happy_> np
19:27:25  <happy_> no
19:27:50  <happy_> i  am  not  ver  good  on  map
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19:31:19  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
19:31:23  <happy_> hi
19:31:35  <Stablean> <Muel> when you will new game ?
19:31:39  <V453000> masterds nede a map eh
19:31:43  <Stablean> <Muel> *give
19:31:50  <V453000> wat climate
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19:34:44  <V453000> !rcon ls
19:34:44  <Stablean> V453000: 0) .. (Parent directory)
19:34:45  <Stablean> V453000: 1) archive/ (Directory)
19:34:45  <Stablean> V453000: 2) StableNUTS95.sav
19:34:45  <Stablean> V453000: 3) StableNUTS94.sav
19:34:45  <Stablean> V453000: 4) Stable V2.sav
19:34:46  <Stablean> V453000: you have 233 more messages
19:34:47  <V453000> !rcon load 3
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19:35:26  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> nice  map v
19:35:32  <Stablean> <V453000> thanks
19:35:34  <Stablean> <V453000> enjoy it
19:35:41  <BiG_MEECH> Nice Map V4530000000)!
19:35:48  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks
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19:36:10  <V453000> BiG_MEECH are you sitting on a F5 button?
19:36:16  <V453000> cause your ass is refreshing
19:36:24  <BiG_MEECH> LMAO
19:36:31  <V453000> you were talking with you ass werent you
19:36:49  <V453000> !auto
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19:36:58  <BiG_MEECH> Yeah normally I would say, V that is the worst fucking map I have ever seen, how many times did you shit on your keyboard?
19:37:08  <V453000> yeah!
19:37:14  <V453000> all I can say to that
19:37:41  <V453000> look I have been listening to some serious ebm today, I dont know shit
19:37:48  <Stablean> <Mark> omg you noob
19:37:50  <Stablean> <Mark> wtf is this
19:37:52  <BiG_MEECH> that one youtube you sent me?
19:37:58  <V453000> idk maybe
19:38:07  <V453000> I listened to a lot of various ones
19:38:10  <V453000> but in this case
19:38:11  <Webster> Title: Industrial/Aggrotech/Ebm/Electro/Dark Megamix 2012 From Dark Modulator, Length: 1h 28m 1s, Views: 193255, Likes: 1999
19:38:26  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah iz flat Mark sorry :D
19:38:32  <Stablean> <V453000> just had it stored for last game even :P
19:38:34  <Stablean> <Mark> :D
19:38:36  <Stablean> <V453000> but you know, reasons :P
19:38:44  <Stablean> <Mark> :P
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19:38:48  <Stablean> <Mark> its nice enough
19:38:50  <Stablean> <V453000> look, by the generator this shit is Mountainous
19:38:57  <BiG_MEECH> All the noobs will be here for the flat map
19:39:07  <Stablean> <Mark> yeah subtrop is weird
19:39:07  <Stablean> <V453000> at least I can ban people left and right
19:39:21  <BiG_MEECH> Im gonna build over happy transport
19:39:25  <Stablean> <V453000> lets start with Meech
19:39:31  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah I was just about to suggest that
19:39:38  <BiG_MEECH> lol
19:39:51  <BiG_MEECH> there is clearly no room to build
19:40:06  <Stablean> <V453000> :D "Player" logic
19:40:08  <Stablean> <V453000> GG
19:41:14  <Stablean> <Mark> TL12 game i say
19:41:25  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
19:41:27  <Stablean> <V453000> k
19:41:41  <Stablean> <V453000> if you get other trains than monorail fast, your ass is weak
19:41:55  <Stablean> <V453000> exception = slugs or superstrong
19:41:58  <Stablean> <Mark> cause they need cl 12?
19:42:01  <Stablean> <V453000> y
19:42:11  <Stablean> <Mark> :D
19:42:29  <Stablean> <Muel> good maps
19:42:39  <Stablean> <Mark> :D
19:42:41  <Stablean> <V453000> (:
19:42:53  <BiG_MEECH> C:
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19:43:21  <Stablean> <Yugi_D> hello
19:43:24  <Stablean> <Mark> hi
19:43:26  <BiG_MEECH> yo
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19:43:55  <Stablean> <V453000> anus
19:44:01  <Stablean> <V453000> all your ass are belong to us
19:44:13  <Stablean> <Mark> :D
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19:48:47  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Our hero has arrived
19:48:59  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  vinnie
19:49:05  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
19:49:07  <Stablean> <V453000> you call Meech hero once again and I kill him
19:49:26  <Stablean> <Vinnie> meech is more then a hero
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19:49:38  <Stablean> <Vinnie> deal with it
19:49:44  <Stablean> <bon> hi mark....oh and everyone else :)
19:49:47  <BiG_MEECH> Woo!
19:49:51  <BiG_MEECH> high 5!
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19:50:11  <Stablean> <bon> ehh...almost flat? thats not bad for a change
19:50:13  <Stablean> <Vinnie> sure, same pw?
19:50:23  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
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19:59:02  <Stablean> <bon> someone remind me again...
19:59:10  <Stablean> <bon> upper-left edge is north or west?
19:59:25  <Stablean> <V453000> upper left edge is upper left
19:59:28  <Stablean> <V453000> to be precise
19:59:38  <Stablean> <bon> and where on a compass is that?  :)
19:59:44  <Stablean> <Mark> up
19:59:50  <Stablean> <V453000> in other words dont rely on compass because it is just a convention
19:59:57  <Stablean> <Vinnie> depends on the orientation of your display
20:00:08  <Stablean> <bon> thats north..thanks...I sometimes forget (since different games sometimes don't use the same alignments for some reason)
20:00:10  <Stablean> <V453000> there are 2 versions of compass, one intuitive - north up, one gameplay - north top left
20:00:13  <Stablean> <Mark> if you turn your display on its side it changes
20:00:23  <Stablean> <V453000> using either of them is confusing, just say up/down/left/right
20:00:41  <Stablean> <bon> yeah I just wanted to know anyway...I pretty much do use that when I can instead indeed v453000
20:00:56  <Stablean> <V453000> aye
20:01:34  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i rotate the powercord of mt display once in a while. THis way the magnetic field in my display gets inverted and my northpole becomes my southpole
20:01:52  <Stablean> <Mark> :D
20:02:02  <Stablean> <V453000> and I thought the dutch arent as inverted as australians
20:02:02  <Stablean> <bon> I doubt it really works that way :P
20:02:02  <Stablean> <V453000> gg
20:02:04  <Stablean> <bon> heheheh
20:02:16  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
20:02:22  <Stablean> <bon> hi muel
20:02:24  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey
20:02:30  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
20:02:30  <Stablean> <V453000> hy
20:02:56  <Stablean> <Vinnie> actually your display works on asymetric power. it changes from -230 Volt to 230 Volt 50 times a second
20:03:00  <Stablean> <Vinnie> so it kinda does
20:03:06  <Stablean> <V453000> the fuck
20:03:08  <Stablean> <V453000> I see logical numbers
20:03:15  <Stablean> <V453000> emergency beer right now
20:03:25  <Stablean> <V453000> k situation saved
20:03:27  <Stablean> <V453000> go ahead
20:03:33  <Stablean> <Vinnie> get the edge of with some scotch
20:03:51  <Stablean> <V453000> night with your toilet is "getting an edge" ?
20:04:50  <Stablean> <V453000> whisky certainly isnt the best idea considering I go to work tomorrow :P
20:05:02  <BiG_MEECH> Its a great idea considering
20:05:13  <Stablean> <V453000> you are full of great ideas Meech, I know
20:05:21  <Stablean> *** mark has started a new company (#6)
20:05:24  <Stablean> *** mark joined the game
20:05:43  <Stablean> <V453000> there can be only One!
20:05:58  <Stablean> <Vinnie> is meech the one they call neo?
20:05:59  <BiG_MEECH> Boot all marks.
20:06:10  <Stablean> <V453000> meech is the one we call faggot
20:06:12  <Stablean> <V453000> but dont tell him
20:06:26  <Stablean> <Vinnie> spoiler alert
20:06:29  <Stablean> <V453000> :D
20:06:31  <Stablean> <bon> hehehe too late? :)
20:06:38  <Stablean> <V453000> plot twist, meech is the most adorable person I ever met
20:06:44  <Stablean> <V453000> after Mark
20:06:59  <Stablean> <V453000> IN FACT I MET NEITHER OF THEM
20:07:17  <Stablean> <V453000> deal with my evil
20:07:28  * BiG_MEECH deals
20:07:35  <Stablean> <Vinnie> and loses
20:07:41  <Stablean> <V453000> haha
20:07:51  <BiG_MEECH> I had the royal flush :(
20:08:01  <Stablean> <Vinnie> you also have a joker
20:08:03  <Stablean> <V453000> LOL
20:08:09  <Stablean> <Vinnie> which is you
20:08:15  <Stablean> <V453000> why did I think of fecal humour when I read royal flush
20:08:15  <Stablean> <bon> <never understood the blackjack numbers sometimes
20:08:18  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah I dont play poker
20:08:28  <Stablean> <bon> when you get 15 its hard to tell when to hit or not
20:08:30  <Stablean> <Vinnie> bon that was poker
20:08:44  <Stablean> <V453000> its fucking cards
20:08:46  <Stablean> <V453000> same shit
20:08:56  <Stablean> <V453000> point is meech is a bastard
20:09:07  <Stablean> <Big Meech> at least I am not the biggest bastard here
20:09:18  <Stablean> <V453000> XD
20:09:21  <Stablean> <V453000> ok you win
20:09:43  <Stablean> <bon> do we have a virigin alarm in here? ;)
20:09:53  <Stablean> <V453000> what
20:10:00  <Stablean> *** Skarven joined the game
20:10:12  <Stablean> <bon> just being a bit silly...its a reference to Spaceballs parody movie
20:10:23  <Stablean> <V453000> no clue
20:10:42  <Stablean> <Vinnie> bon i'm your father's brothers unclue nephews best friend room mate at highschool
20:11:12  <Stablean> <Vinnie> or something like that in the movie
20:11:14  <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (general timeout)
20:11:14  <Stablean> *** Big Meech has left the game (connection lost)
20:11:40  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie what about "industrial strength hairdryer"? heh :)
20:11:46  <Stablean> <Vinnie> happy invasion of the other mark on your turf
20:12:14  <Stablean> <V453000> one of the marks is going to get a problem soon enough
20:12:32  <Stablean> <bon> huh....two marks..thats just weird
20:12:38  <Stablean> <V453000> exactky
20:12:40  <Stablean> <V453000> exactly
20:12:46  <Stablean> <V453000> natural selection must be made
20:12:49  <Stablean> <bon> I didn't think the game was caps insensitive
20:12:55  <Stablean> <V453000> stronger shall live
20:12:55  <Stablean> <Vinnie> genius blue, you cant bridge over a depot
20:13:55  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> mark  in  company  6    wher   ar u going  whive  that  pax  ml
20:14:25  <Stablean> <Vinnie> happy he is bankrupt he terraformed
20:14:28  <Stablean> <Mark> dont worry about it happy, hes bankrupt
20:14:29  <BiG_MEECH> small mark is king of pax ML
20:14:36  <Stablean> *** mark has started a new company (#7)
20:14:42  <BiG_MEECH> LMAO
20:14:47  <Stablean> *** mark has joined company #7
20:14:52  <Stablean> *** mark has joined company #7
20:14:54  <Stablean> <V453000> hi
20:15:02  <BiG_MEECH> hi
20:15:15  <Stablean> <Vinnie> is someone messing with him on irc?
20:15:21  <Stablean> *** mark has joined company #7
20:15:42  <Stablean> <V453000> mark can you talk?
20:15:44  <Stablean> *** mark has started a new company (#8)
20:15:49  <BiG_MEECH> xD
20:16:04  <Stablean> <V453000> like do blabla
20:16:06  <Stablean> <bon> oic I see now...and thats some silly tunnels mark used..could just simply climb up one tile
20:16:06  <Stablean> <V453000> etc
20:16:08  <Stablean> <V453000> its awesome, try it
20:16:18  <Stablean> <bon> heh now its gone
20:16:32  <Stablean> *** mark has joined company #7
20:16:32  <Stablean> <V453000> no vehicles companies get autocleaned
20:16:34  <Stablean> <bon> (and no I wasn't talking to you Mark with a capital M)
20:16:34  <Stablean> <bon> :P
20:16:48  <Stablean> *** mark has left the game (leaving)
20:17:10  <Stablean> <V453000> most annoying admin 2013 award
20:17:12  <Stablean> <V453000> I love myself
20:17:16  <Stablean> *** vfts has started a new company (#6)
20:17:18  <Stablean> *** vfts joined the game
20:17:21  <BiG_MEECH> evil mode
20:17:36  <Stablean> <Vinnie> karma will be a bitch
20:17:41  <BiG_MEECH> anyone want to bet that vfts is mark ? :D
20:18:05  <Stablean> <V453000> meeech ;)
20:18:07  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello vfts
20:18:21  <BiG_MEECH> I am a good guesser
20:18:35  <Stablean> <Vinnie> its just you and not responding
20:18:37  <Stablean> <V453000> you are bad at everything
20:18:45  <BiG_MEECH> I am.
20:19:01  <Stablean> <V453000> you should reconsider being sober
20:19:54  <BiG_MEECH> sober is not fun
20:20:00  <BiG_MEECH> drunk iz better
20:20:35  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i can do cat speech, im a 16 year old girl
20:20:46  <BiG_MEECH> creepy
20:20:53  <Stablean> *** mackel has started a new company (#7)
20:20:55  <BiG_MEECH> Weird name for a girl.
20:20:56  <Stablean> *** mackel joined the game
20:21:03  <Stablean> <mackel> hi
20:21:07  <Stablean> <Muel> hi
20:21:10  <Stablean> <bon> hi mackel
20:21:13  <Stablean> <Vinnie> Well big meech probably isnt the name of your equipment
20:21:16  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
20:21:22  <Stablean> *** Muel has left the game (leaving)
20:21:34  <BiG_MEECH> Im always carrying big equipment
20:28:23  <Stablean> *** Jam35 joined the game
20:28:28  <Stablean> <bon> hi jam
20:28:54  <Stablean> <Jam35> hi ppl
20:29:00  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
20:29:00  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hey
20:29:44  <Stablean> <bon> how're you?
20:29:59  <Stablean> <Jam35> fine fanx
20:30:09  <Stablean> <Jam35> u?
20:31:20  <Stablean> <bon> doing ok
20:31:46  <Stablean> <bon> oh and found myself a nice little 'corner' .. its not exactly an island but its pretty close to it if you put up a small border on the one narrow land link :)
20:32:08  <Stablean> <bon> just trying to get settled in now
20:32:18  <BiG_MEECH> hi Jam!
20:32:26  <Stablean> <Jam35> HI!
20:32:31  <BiG_MEECH> C:
20:32:36  <Stablean> <V453000> the two met
20:32:36  <Stablean> <V453000> oh noes
20:32:38  <Stablean> <Jam35> etc
20:32:49  <Stablean> <bon> one town already hates me tho but eh :->
20:32:57  <Stablean> <Jam35> we met  before
20:33:00  <Stablean> <Vinnie> V maybe we should call an admin to help with those 2
20:33:06  <BiG_MEECH> dangerous combo
20:33:32  <Stablean> <bon> hehe
20:33:35  <Stablean> <V453000> yeah certainly
20:33:56  <V453000> solved
20:34:31  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure joined the game
20:34:39  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi  troy
20:34:45  <BiG_MEECH> Hi Troy!
20:34:49  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> how  things
20:34:51  <Stablean> <bon> hi troy
20:34:51  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
20:34:57  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> have to ask the wall
20:34:58  <V453000> hang on im finding a toyland map
20:35:02  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's wednesday's now
20:35:08  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> NO
20:35:08  <BiG_MEECH> I love toyland
20:35:10  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
20:35:14  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> DON'T!
20:35:45  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> whonts  rone  whive  this  won
20:35:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> didn't expect you to work together...
20:35:55  <V453000> happy, Troy does not hate it
20:35:59  <Stablean> <bon> *slaps meech with plastic ducks*
20:36:14  <Stablean> *** V453000 joined the game
20:36:16  <BiG_MEECH> I love plastic ducks, sexy.
20:36:24  <Stablean> <bon> x_x
20:36:30  <Stablean> <Vinnie> in your tub all alone the two of you
20:36:40  <Stablean> <Vinnie> all dirty in bath cleaning yourself
20:36:47  <Stablean> <Vinnie> he always smiling
20:36:50  <Stablean> <Jam35> the vibrating type...
20:36:56  <Stablean> <Vinnie> ocasional quck
20:37:00  <Stablean> <Vinnie> quack
20:37:06  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol
20:37:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah...
20:37:13  <Mark> youre getting me all excited
20:37:21  <Stablean> <V453000> :DDD
20:37:23  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> 'quck' ;)
20:37:26  <Stablean> <V453000> go get flood
20:37:32  <Stablean> <V453000> free ducks I heard
20:37:39  <Stablean> <Vinnie> meech isnt respoding, maye he is doing a quick bath
20:37:40  <Mark> :D
20:37:48  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hmm, a quickie
20:37:51  <Mark> dont even want to know what hes doing
20:37:53  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> could be the case
20:37:59  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> sorry *quacky*
20:38:01  <Stablean> <V453000> you NEVER want to know what meech is doing
20:38:03  <Stablean> <V453000> rule n1
20:38:08  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#8)
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20:38:20  <Stablean> <Player> eve
20:38:22  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> thanks  for your  help  in  the  larst  game troy
20:38:25  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
20:38:31  <Stablean> <Mark> hello
20:38:33  <Stablean> <V453000> eve
20:38:35  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> oh, sorry 'don't talk about fight club' is rule #2?
20:38:37  <Stablean> <V453000> mr Player :)
20:39:03  <Stablean> <Mark> can you change your name please
20:39:11  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no
20:39:18  <Stablean> <V453000> welll fuck no then!
20:39:28  <Stablean> *** Player has left the game (leaving)
20:39:30  <Stablean> *** V453000 has changed his/her name to AssThunder
20:39:34  <Stablean> <Mark> even better
20:39:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> :)
20:39:36  <BiG_MEECH> LMAO
20:39:38  <Stablean> <Vinnie> porn name
20:39:52  <Stablean> <AssThunder> nowai
20:40:06  <Stablean> <Jam35> he means Big Meech
20:40:16  <Stablean> <AssThunder> :D
20:40:21  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what's with #28, Vinnie/happy?
20:40:21  <Stablean> <AssThunder> Jam35 wins a meaningless point
20:40:32  <BiG_MEECH> Big Meech and Ass Thunder make one gay combo
20:40:35  <Stablean> <AssThunder> train died on the bridge
20:40:37  <Stablean> <AssThunder> realism
20:40:40  <Stablean> <AssThunder> :D
20:40:42  <Stablean> <Vinnie> i build it probably
20:40:54  <Stablean> <Vinnie> solving crimes?
20:41:03  <BiG_MEECH> Totally
20:41:42  <Stablean> <Vinnie> V the first tier of trains is highly underpowered
20:42:30  <Stablean> *** Troy McClure has joined company #2
20:42:46  <Stablean> <bon> only the Painkiller one doesn't look like it was meant for longer trains on hills but then 68kN says it all
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20:44:42  <Taede> cd
20:44:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> dvd
20:44:56  <Taede> :p
20:44:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no, vhs
20:45:07  <Stablean> <Vinnie> casette bitches
20:45:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> as I recall
20:45:25  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> we never named them cassette bitches
20:45:40  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> just casette
20:45:47  <Stablean> <Vinnie> thats wierd
20:45:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or casette tapes, but never bitches...
20:45:55  <Stablean> <Vinnie> maybe its a translation error
20:46:23  <Stablean> <bon> sorry afk for a moment
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20:51:10  <Stablean> <bon> back now
20:54:38  <Stablean> <AssThunder> the first tier of trains is just fine. :)
20:54:53  <Stablean> <AssThunder> its the fucking stone age, deal with it :D
20:55:04  <Stablean> <bon> you are one silly arse? ;)
20:55:06  <Stablean> <Vinnie> damn
20:55:12  <Stablean> <bon> I don't mind the first two locos tho indeed
20:55:19  <Stablean> <Vinnie> some thunderbolt stuck in his arse
20:55:28  <BiG_MEECH> What Ass Thunder is saying is that you are lucky you even have the wheel
20:55:35  <Stablean> <bon> vinnie :P
20:56:01  <Stablean> <AssThunder> strong are certainly strong enough.
20:56:07  <Stablean> <AssThunder> no complaints when you use fast or medium :P
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20:56:46  <Stablean> <bon> hi taede
20:57:01  <Stablean> <AssThunder> hyhy
20:57:05  <Stablean> <Taede> ola
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20:58:15  <Stablean> <Vinnie> hello
20:59:54  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#8)
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21:00:14  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#9)
21:00:16  <Stablean> <bon> looks like I'm going to have to creep out of the way a bit just to get a factory :-s
21:00:30  <Stablean> <Mark> Player: start with changing your name
21:00:32  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to r1bbon
21:00:34  <Stablean> <Mark> thanks
21:00:57  <Stablean> *** Skarven has left the game (general timeout)
21:00:57  <Stablean> *** Skarven has left the game (connection lost)
21:01:13  <Mark> !rcon reset_company 8
21:01:13  <Stablean> Mark: Company deleted.
21:04:57  <Stablean> *** r1bbon has left the game (leaving)
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21:08:38  <Stablean> <Liuk Sk> hi
21:08:39  <Stablean> *** Liuk Sk joined the game
21:08:42  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi
21:08:44  <Stablean> <bon> hi liuk
21:08:44  <Stablean> <Mark> hello
21:10:19  <Stablean> <bon> ehh wheres a bank too :-s
21:10:22  <Stablean> <bon> oh well :)
21:11:12  <Stablean> <bon> soon or later I'll be able to find more routes but for now going wait a bit :)
21:12:43  <BiG_MEECH> hi Liuk!
21:13:20  <Stablean> *** mackel has left the game (leaving)
21:14:37  <Stablean> <Vinnie> wood production is unpredictable
21:15:12  <Stablean> <Vinnie> oh nvm itsnot the vanilla wood
21:15:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> nope they come from trees
21:15:29  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> in a forest
21:15:39  <Stablean> <Vinnie> nice
21:16:13  <Stablean> <bon> <thinks red need more frequent steel service? :)
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21:16:27  <Stablean> <bon> heh there we go
21:16:38  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> it's just new, so...
21:16:48  <Stablean> <bon> yeah I noticed that
21:20:54  <Stablean> <Vinnie> afk
21:20:56  <Stablean> *** Vinnie has joined spectators
21:23:57  <Stablean> <bon> afk for a bit
21:24:19  <Stablean> *** bon has joined spectators
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21:27:11  <Stablean> <Mark> surely you can do a bigger network troy and happy
21:27:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> NO
21:27:27  <Stablean> *** Player has started a new company (#8)
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21:27:37  <Stablean> *** Player has changed his/her name to hardy
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21:42:15  <Mark> !rcon set inflation 0
21:42:22  <Mark> V you noob
21:42:36  <BiG_MEECH> He's a big noob
21:42:46  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> there is no V
21:42:49  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> only ASS THUNDER!
21:42:58  <BiG_MEECH> I love the thunder
21:43:15  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and the other part as well...
21:43:28  <BiG_MEECH> Only in a thong
21:43:31  <Stablean> <Mark> i love all your parts
21:44:23  <BiG_MEECH> Even my uvula?
21:44:49  <Stablean> <Mark> especially your uvula
21:44:55  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what shady part of your constitution might that be?
21:45:05  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> I know
21:45:06  <BiG_MEECH> <3
21:45:09  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> GIYF
21:45:35  <Stablean> <Mark> its that thing in the back of your mouth i think
21:45:51  <BiG_MEECH> yup thing that looks like a punching bag xD
21:46:03  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> yeah
21:46:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> imma punch it
21:46:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> real hard...
21:46:11  <BiG_MEECH> D:
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22:00:15  <Stablean> <bon> back for now
22:00:37  <Stablean> *** bon has joined company #5
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22:05:38  <Stablean> *** Mark has left the game (connection lost)
22:07:06  *** [1]Mark has joined #openttdcoop.stable
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22:14:22  <Stablean> <bon> ehh these forests seem to like to go in and out of zero production
22:14:24  <Stablean> <bon> :-/
22:21:14  <Stablean> *** kukimuki666 has started a new company (#9)
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22:21:42  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what with?
22:22:00  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> do i have a goal here?
22:22:07  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> no
22:22:13  <Stablean> <bon> don't annoy another company? :)
22:22:15  <Stablean> <bon> heh
22:22:33  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> for rules, type !rules
22:22:33  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> freakin oldschool sh*t
22:22:43  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> looks all blurry
22:22:45  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> lol
22:22:47  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> ^_^
22:22:47  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> LOL
22:22:50  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what looks blurry?
22:23:01  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> what year is it anyway?!
22:23:11  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> 1932???
22:23:17  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> :S(
22:23:27  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> what's the problem with that?
22:23:33  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> it's along time ago
22:23:40  <Stablean> <bon> <is wondering if kuk simply jumped online as soon as ottd was installed
22:23:54  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> It'll be a long time in the future when this game is finished...
22:24:04  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> i was playing it in 95 "{
22:24:04  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> did you?
22:24:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> haven't played since?
22:24:29  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> a bit
22:24:36  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> offline only?
22:24:39  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> or online too?
22:24:41  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> but with the CB STUFF
22:25:03  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> not oldschool lowend 1932 server :P
22:25:15  <Stablean> <bon> its not lowend
22:25:17  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> and this is the first server you join?
22:25:23  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> no :S
22:25:29  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> btpro mostly
22:26:24  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> i   did play on that server   won  time
22:26:42  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> city building is fun
22:26:54  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep  but  ver hard
22:27:00  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> bot reallt
22:27:02  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> y
22:27:09  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> you'v got to deliver fast
22:27:40  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> will    the  loan  is  to  low
22:28:03  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> 200000
22:28:09  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> enough
22:28:16  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> you understand happy language?
22:28:22  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> without any help
22:28:24  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ?
22:28:30  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> why is the time here goes so slow?!
22:28:36  <Stablean> <bon> its not slow
22:28:39  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> and  it  mite  beter  whive  sume    new  trans
22:28:55  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> on that server
22:29:05  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> ok
22:29:07  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> bye
22:29:10  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> ok
22:29:12  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> bye
22:29:14  <Stablean> <kukimuki666> have a niceone
22:29:16  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb
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22:42:18  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> wb
22:42:20  <Stablean> <bon> hi mark
22:42:26  <Stablean> <Mark> :)
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22:49:26  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> change your name first, player
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22:52:50  <Stablean> <bon> going off for a bit especially to eat anyway..will finish off more of my island when back
22:52:52  <Stablean> *** Mark has left the game (general timeout)
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22:52:56  <Stablean> <Troy McClure> hi
22:52:56  <Stablean> <bon> oh..hi and bye djanxy :)
22:53:02  <Stablean> <Djanxy> hi and bye :D
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23:05:48  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> hi djanxy
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23:23:33  <BiG_MEECH> Yo Slice!
23:23:39  <Stablean> <Slicey> what up!
23:23:45  <BiG_MEECH> Sky!
23:23:55  <Stablean> <Slicey> lol!
23:24:53  <Stablean> <Slicey> its so funny in 15 years theres networks already
23:25:04  <BiG_MEECH> Yeah, the noobs are quick
23:25:20  <BiG_MEECH> Good news is there is lots of room to build today Slicey
23:26:00  <Stablean> <Slicey> yea but i have biology and history to study -.-
23:26:06  <BiG_MEECH> :(
23:26:11  <BiG_MEECH> You're in college?
23:26:14  <Stablean> <Slicey> ill hang around though
23:26:20  <Stablean> <Slicey> no lol highschool
23:26:24  <BiG_MEECH> Oh lol
23:26:29  <BiG_MEECH> Biology is awesome
23:26:47  <Stablean> <Slicey> like the concept not the work
23:27:04  <BiG_MEECH> that was my favorite subject in HS
23:27:11  <BiG_MEECH> I was just thinking about that today actually xD
23:27:21  <Stablean> <Slicey> lolol
23:27:32  <Stablean> <Troy_McClure> bb
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23:27:38  <BiG_MEECH> hb Troy
23:27:41  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> bb  troy
23:28:11  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> djanxy    u not  going  to  play
23:28:25  <Stablean> <Slicey> happy had a crazy system on the lasp map
23:28:28  <Stablean> <Slicey> last*
23:28:38  <Stablean> <happy tran  sport> yep
23:28:48  <Stablean> <Slicey> :) i liked it lol
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