Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 16th May 2014:
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01:53:30  <coopserver> <Yugi_D> hey anson
01:53:52  <coopserver> <Yugi_D> can u do me a small favour?
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07:28:59  <coopserver> <Anson> hallo, Y
07:29:12  <coopserver> <Yugi_D> hello anson
07:30:15  <V453000> moo
07:31:00  <coopserver> <Anson> hallo, V, how do i watch your WMV on my phone ? :-)
07:31:13  <coopserver> <Yugi_D> hello v
07:32:45  <planetmaker> Anson, easy: got to the next PC and switch it on. Carefully place your phone on the ground and step on it. Then start the wmv viewer on the PC
07:32:58  <V453000> WMV?
07:33:00  <V453000> aha video
07:33:07  <V453000> :)
07:33:29  <V453000> yeah similarly as to what pm suggests :D
07:34:19  <coopserver> <Anson> i don't think that i have a wmv viewer now, on my pc ... or at least i would need to configure that suffix
07:34:43  <V453000> see, you run wmv on windows easily :P
07:34:58  <planetmaker> well, that's your issue. But it works out-of-box also on my linux machine
07:35:03  <coopserver> <Anson> hehe, i am not using win now :-)
07:35:07  <planetmaker> not sure about my OSX one
07:35:11  <V453000> :)
07:35:24  <planetmaker> vlc might do, though
07:35:33  <V453000> vlc totally should
07:35:38  <coopserver> <Anson> finally got mint installed, but i have some problems :-(
07:36:29  <planetmaker> I will always install slightly less esoteric distros. More support for the mainstream ones
07:36:41  <coopserver> <Anson> by default, vlc didn't play any video ... had to configure mpeg to play on vlc first ... and same for all the other video types
07:36:59  <planetmaker> fedora just plays wmv in its default video viewer
07:37:12  <coopserver> <Anson> i read that mint is now used more often than ubuntu
07:37:30  <planetmaker> I doubt that by a large margin
07:37:53  <V453000> I havent even ever heard of mint while some people around me use ubuntu sometimes
07:38:00  <planetmaker> ubuntu probably is one of the 4 most majory used linux distros
07:38:10  <planetmaker> if not the most common one on desktops
07:38:18  <planetmaker> nowadays
07:38:30  <coopserver> <Anson> at least Taede is using mint too
07:38:33  <planetmaker> actually the next distro I'll test will be ubuntu :)
07:38:57  <coopserver> <Anson> mint is a version of ubuntu
07:39:04  <planetmaker> no
07:39:28  <coopserver> <Anson> that's how they described it ...
07:39:37  <planetmaker> it's a distribution which takes ubuntu, rebrands it and sells it as its own distro
07:39:51  <planetmaker> thus the devil is in the details. And you loose ubuntu support
07:40:22  <coopserver> <Anson> running ottd on mint now, and i have some problems with the keyboard .... need to use AltGr + ^instead of the usual ^
07:40:27  <planetmaker> similar as ubunutu is a version of debian.
07:41:08  <planetmaker> but ubuntu is sufficiently dis-similar. And due to possibly different library versions you always need binaries compiled towards the real distro you use anyway
07:42:00  <V453000> conclusion, yeti is awesome.
07:42:01  <V453000> (:
07:42:05  <planetmaker> :D
07:42:06  <coopserver> <Anson> and to use the CTRL shortcuts, i have to push CTRL first, THEN click ... first dragging and then pushing/releasing ctrl while holding the mousebutton doesn't work :-(
07:42:19  <planetmaker> well, conclusion is, that you should use a distro you're comfortable with
07:43:45  <coopserver> <Anson> I'll have to ask taede whether he has the same problems with the keyboard
07:44:07  <planetmaker> that depends surely on the keyboard config... and your locale settings
07:45:04  <planetmaker> there's in your system settings also keyboard menu. You might check that
07:45:16  <coopserver> <Anson> german keyboard, german locale, but english language :-)
07:46:20  <coopserver> <Anson> the key left of the "1" is the usual "^" like in windows, but ottd needs AltGr+^ to toggle the console
07:47:16  <coopserver> <Anson> and i don't think that different behavior of using ctrl together with left mouse button is a matter of language ?
07:49:30  <coopserver> <Anson> just tried : ctrl-click to place a station, and i get no menu but directly place a separate station :-(
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07:54:56  <coopserver> <Anson> which versions of linux do you use ?
08:00:06  <planetmaker> fedora20 at home, debian wheezy at work
08:01:03  <planetmaker> how the ^ key responds depends on the actual keyboard you chose during install, whether with or without dead keys...
08:02:45  <V453000> killing keys is key violence and should be judged
08:03:08  <coopserver> <Anson> for typing, the keyboard behaves just like with windows ... pushing ^ twice to get one ^ ... but to toggle the console, i need to use ^with AltGr
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08:03:37  <coopserver> <V453000> yoyo
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08:07:08  <coopserver> <Anson> in the readme of ottd, they say that it can be installed as portable version :
08:08:51  <coopserver> <Anson> "copy binaries for different operating systems to that directory and you can run ottd on nearly any computer"
08:10:06  <coopserver> <Anson> but how can i make the ottd.cnf file work with windows and other systems ? ... / vs \ .... :-(
08:12:16  <coopserver> <Anson> would it be possible to change ottd so that it converts all \ and / when reading the config, to the correct version depending on current OS ?
08:14:06  <V453000> :D
08:14:40  <V453000> you dont have the \ / written anywhere?
08:14:44  <V453000> just put the config in the folder?
08:14:54  <V453000> and always copy the folder?
08:15:53  <coopserver> <Anson> the readme says to create one directory OTTD and put all datafiles and all executables for the different OS in that directory ...
08:16:51  <coopserver> <Anson> but windows and other systems use different separators for directory names .... ottd.cnf, sections for grf files
08:18:08  <coopserver> <Anson> using the wrong ottd.cnf causes a series of errors when starting the program: "xxx/xxx.grf not found" or "xxx\xxx.cnf not found"
08:19:24  <V453000> njoy :D
08:23:38  <planetmaker> Anson, yes, indeed. And that's why I already told you yesterday(?) that using the same cfg is not the smartest idea :)
08:24:51  <planetmaker> you only won't have that issue if you install everything without dir structure. But that's not necessarily convenient either
08:24:59  <coopserver> <Anson> it was a few days ago, and i believed you, but on the other hand, i wanted to also try what i was told by the readme for installing ottd :-)
08:26:11  <coopserver> <Anson> i think that there are no problems with directories besides the GRF names in the config file
08:27:45  <V453000> what do you need grf names for? just copy grf setups through savegame, each version will find it from the savegame?
08:29:16  <coopserver> <Anson> if you have a hundred different savegames and never get new versions of grf files, that might work
08:30:02  <V453000> ?
08:30:22  <V453000> you play on one pc, save it, you play on the other, load it there, continue playing?
08:30:23  <V453000> problem is?
08:30:46  <coopserver> <Anson> but how do you replace nuts by a new version ? load savegame, save grf setup, edit grf setup, create new savegame, delete grf setup ? ARGS
08:31:42  <V453000> what
08:31:52  <V453000> you can just change the version in the savegame you need it changed in?
08:31:59  <coopserver> <Anson> your suggestion works as long as you don't (often) create new savegames
08:32:16  <V453000> it works for actually playing the game, yes
08:32:17  <coopserver> <Anson> how do i change a grf file in an existing savegame ?
08:32:34  <V453000> scenario_developer = true in config
08:40:26  <coopserver> <Anson> might work sometimes, but probably not the best idea when you want to create new maps, and add or remove some industry grfs, vehicle grfs, etc ...
08:41:40  <coopserver> <Anson> what would be the problem with converting all / and \ to the characters that the current OS requires ?
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09:49:20  <coopserver> <Anson> really strange ... using ctrl to build separate/joined works for waypoints, but not for stations ... ctrl click to delete signs doesn't work, and ctrl to delete rails only works when pushing ctrl before the mousebutton
09:54:50  <coopserver> <Anson> LOL ... and CTRL-clicking on trains to stop them works sometimes, but mostly opens the train window only, and then on another click stops the train ... and ctrl-click to start the train always opens the window only and on the second click starts it ...
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12:22:00  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> NBS:   that  shord  help u  now  dont doo  ships  or plans  k
12:23:18  <coopserver> <NBS> thx
12:23:21  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> np
12:23:29  <coopserver> <NBS> i forgot ship prices
12:23:38  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> np
12:24:14  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> all  ways  chek    the running  cost  be for u by
12:29:01  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> have  fun  by
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13:33:42  <happy> hi
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13:42:16  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> NBS:   u  need  ablok  sigmal  at  my sign
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13:45:17  <coopserver> <Madmanquail> hi all
13:45:20  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> hi
13:45:31  <coopserver> <Madmanquail> has anyone here played Factorio?
13:45:48  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> nop  soory
13:46:06  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> i   domt  no  that  game
13:46:14  <coopserver> <Madmanquail> its really cool...a lot like OpenTTD
13:46:20  <coopserver> <Madmanquail> but new
13:46:32  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> i see
13:46:42  <coopserver> <Madmanquail> :-)
13:46:42  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> nice
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15:14:03  <happy> hi
15:14:18  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> sup happy
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15:21:46  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> hey happy
15:21:50  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> hi
15:21:58  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> hav a min to help a bro?
15:22:07  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> yep
15:22:10  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> whats the best train for fast load/unload?
15:22:17  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> i need to move cargo quicklu
15:22:20  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> quickly
15:22:29  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> heem
15:22:41  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> i  chek
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15:24:47  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> see  my  train   129
15:25:10  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> try  that train
15:25:31  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> i  think  ther all  the same  load  time  so
15:25:37  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> meh
15:25:39  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> sucks
15:25:44  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> thanks tho
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15:26:16  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> np
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15:40:00  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> hey happy
15:40:05  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> yep
15:40:07  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> hi
15:40:14  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> i think the speed demon on maglev loads faster than the other im using
15:40:20  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> the nut em or whatever
15:40:37  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> i mean, im sure of it
15:40:39  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> (:
15:40:40  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> yep true
15:42:02  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> yuv got to admit... for a latecomer, my lil' op aint doin so bad
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16:01:49  <Anson> hallo
16:02:42  <Anson> it's always difficult to decide what is better/faster/etc
16:03:09  <Anson> it always depends on lots of things....
16:03:36  <happy> hi  Anson
16:03:40  <happy> how things
16:04:37  <Anson> eg the maglev are up to three times as fast. but they also need enough space and time to accelerate. and they have only half the capacity of rail
16:05:59  <Anson> happy. i rebuilt wood pickups. added platforms and/or converted to roro
16:06:45  <happy> yep  i see it looks   good
16:06:49  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> anson you say truth
16:07:01  <Anson> but i didn't add trains yet since that probably requires doubling/tripling the ml
16:07:53  <happy> k  we  not  going  to  tripling the ml   now   so
16:08:00  <happy> anson
16:08:05  <Anson> and most of all i have problems with ctrl key... thus would copy trains instead of cloning shared trains
16:08:15  <happy> i see
16:44:36  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> not  meny  players  ar  on to  day
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16:50:55  <coopserver> <V453000> yo
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18:36:27  <happy> hi
19:02:29  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> hi happy!
19:07:13  <happy> hi
19:12:21  <happy> how things going
19:12:38  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> movin up the chain
19:12:46  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> my lil op is already 3rd place
19:13:09  <happy> nice
19:13:21  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> granted... ive got a long way to go, but if the servers stays up long enough im confident about my chances
19:14:27  <happy> the server is all ways on
19:14:39  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> i mean they dont restart
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19:16:53  <happy> soory i did not  read whont u sed ny phon cut out  on the irc
19:18:13  <happy> i whont the server to restart  be cours i go on holday on sun day
19:18:48  <happy> !players
19:18:48  <coopserver> happy: There are currently 1 players and 0 spectators, making a total of 1 clients connected
19:19:11  <happy> !date
19:19:12  <coopserver> Sep 22 2213
19:20:39  <happy> ! companys
19:33:44  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> sorry happy sometimes is quite hard to understand what you mean
19:33:59  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> sounds like "the server wont restart over the weekend due to the holidays"
19:34:02  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> is that it?
19:35:05  <happy> ar   k then i have to wate in till i cume back nexs sunday
19:36:25  <happy> yer  sorry  if my tip is not good
19:39:01  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> cool! i'll be #1 by then!
19:39:53  <happy> nice
20:18:45  <happy> !date
20:18:45  <coopserver> Feb 13 2218
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21:19:15  <Djanxy> !dl win64
21:19:15  <coopserver> Djanxy:
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21:20:09  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> hi djanxy
21:20:18  <coopserver> <Djanxy> hey
21:21:56  <happy> hi djanxy
21:22:13  <happy> how things
21:22:14  <coopserver> <Djanxy> hi happy
21:22:20  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> happy!
21:22:25  <coopserver> <Djanxy> good thanks - how about you
21:22:35  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> no need to wait till next week! got to 1st already!
21:22:44  <happy> good thanks
21:24:13  <happy>  mr i go on holday on sunday so if the server  dus not restart i havee to wate .in till nexs week
21:24:24  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> cool beans!
21:24:48  <happy> be back in  1 minte
21:24:50  <coopserver> <Djanxy> going somewhere nice ?
21:25:41  <happy> yep   a place in grece i have not been be for
21:25:59  <coopserver> <Djanxy> oh sweet :)
21:26:06  <happy> yep
21:26:08  <coopserver> <Djanxy> have a good trip then !
21:26:16  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> aweeeeesooome
21:26:18  <happy> thanks
21:26:55  <happy> i be back on the irc in a minte
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21:48:44  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> he he   Mr. Bojangles  i  take  the  1  from  u  now
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21:51:30  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> oh happy... you took me to 2nd place!
21:51:36  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> i shall have my revengeeeee!
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22:14:38  <coopserver> <happy tran sport> hi  AntLogiK
22:15:43  <happy> so   mr  when is your   revengeeeee!   cuming  he he
22:15:58  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> soon whawhawha
22:18:30  <coopserver> <Mr. Bojangles> i just need 2 percent points more
22:19:28  <happy> k
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22:29:29  <happy> chek  this  out  u will  love it
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