Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 25th June 2016:
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02:49:33  <BiG_MEECH> hmm'
02:52:50  <Mazur> You can say that again.
02:59:05  <BiG_MEECH> YO
02:59:20  <Mazur> o/
03:00:26  <BiG_MEECH> I heard nexit is next :)
03:00:32  <BiG_MEECH> and Mr. Frexit
03:00:56  <Mazur> Yeah, not if I can help it.
03:02:01  <BiG_MEECH> Serious question, why do you find it necessary to be dictated by others when they're not looking for your best interests in mind?
03:04:22  <Mazur> No one is dictating anything to anyone, we're in a conversation and negotiation of countries striving to come together for the best of _all_, not for one particular country.
03:08:39  <Mazur> Quite a few British politicians have been acting as if the UK had no influence in the EU at all, that the UK were in sort of under foreign control, but the UK was part of it all, equally responsible for whatever they think the current problems are.
03:11:19  <Mazur> And all the benefits of being in the EU have been grossly underestimated and forgotten.
03:13:20  <BiG_MEECH> Even best for all doesnt automatically equate that it is the best for all countries
03:13:48  <BiG_MEECH> Interesting subject to talk about though :)
03:14:29  <Mazur> Well, the conservatives can repeal the Human Rights Act now, like they were considering earlier.
03:15:23  <Mazur> Also EU standards can be ignored for domestic consumption.
03:15:53  <BiG_MEECH> What is the human rights act?
03:15:59  <BiG_MEECH> got a link for me?
03:16:05  <BiG_MEECH> or what is it in general?
03:18:21  <BiG_MEECH> Sounds important lol
03:18:22  <Mazur>
03:18:23  <Webster> Title: Human Rights Act 1998 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at
03:19:16  <BiG_MEECH> Well I would think that anything would be revoked that had to do with anything when they were in the EU
03:19:47  <BiG_MEECH> or at least replaced
03:20:10  <Mazur> Wrong, sinec the EU is a major trade partner for the UK, they'll still have to adhere to its standards to trade.
03:20:31  <Mazur> yesm, they'll have to replace lots of EU laws with UK equivalents.
03:21:17  <Mazur>
03:26:09  <BiG_MEECH> mmhmm
03:27:25  <Mazur> Following Brexit, ‘What Is The EU?’ Becomes One Of The Most Searched Terms In The U.K.
03:27:46  <Mazur> Maybe that should have been done _before_ the vote?
03:29:13  <BiG_MEECH> I think more is going to change
03:30:41  <BiG_MEECH> I'm not picking on you or where you live but I think the countries with lower economic output would want to stay more than the big boys
03:31:01  <BiG_MEECH> lower not as in lack of work or w/e just GDP based on manufacturing and services
03:31:19  <Mazur> Netherlands.
03:32:02  <Mazur> I think Rotterdam would taek a huge hit as countries would look for different ports to use to the EU.
03:32:12  <Mazur> So our economy would tank.
03:33:54  <Mazur> And yes, sure the weaker countries profit relatively more, until they too have become stronger countries.
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03:35:13  <Mazur> But since the southern Europe crises, they've been cleaning up their act, and I assume will try to avoid a new, similar crisis.
03:35:32  <BiG_MEECH> It's interesting b/c due to population and size things can't exactly equalize
03:35:44  <BiG_MEECH> Well I heard that spain and portugal weren't doing so hot either
03:36:31  <Mazur> No, they too have been bailed out, but on condition they clean up their actws, of course.
03:36:49  <BiG_MEECH> Well how many times can you bail something out
03:37:06  <Mazur> Exactly.
03:37:09  <BiG_MEECH> and things don't change
03:37:31  <Mazur> Yes, they do, not overnight, but they do.
03:37:35  <BiG_MEECH> Like, I'm, sure you've heard of detroit before?
03:38:19  <Mazur> Oh, no, not Detroit!
03:38:24  <BiG_MEECH> Detroit is a complete hellhole that the state of michigan, where I live, has bailed them out to the tune of billions of dollars, and they're still not good, not changing, totally worse than vomit
03:38:54  <BiG_MEECH> They've just bailed the school district out to the tune of 1 billion dollars
03:39:34  <Mazur> Be glad the Reupblicans were not in charge, they'd been written off.
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03:40:08  <BiG_MEECH> I'm not sure abotu that, Repub's are in charge right now lol
03:40:32  <BiG_MEECH> if you said Democrats, that I could believe lol
03:40:54  <Mazur> BUt it was Obama who bailed out the Car comapanies, against GOP ideas.
03:41:28  <BiG_MEECH> that situation was a joke
03:42:09  <BiG_MEECH> GOP wanted them to go bankrupt and come out using existing bank support as their loan guarantors
03:42:24  <BiG_MEECH> tbt, they didnt have to go bankrupt but wanted to
03:42:55  <Mazur> Sure, easy write off of debts.
03:43:07  <Mazur> the Trump business pan for the USA.
03:44:32  <Mazur> Which will also include not paying debts, I assume.
03:45:25  <BiG_MEECH> USA ain't paying now lol
03:45:28  <BiG_MEECH> not much will change
03:45:37  <BiG_MEECH> fucking 20 trillion dollars lol
03:45:50  <Mazur> Of course they are, even if it's only the interest.
03:46:07  <Mazur> HOw else will they be able to loan again if needed?
03:46:32  <Mazur> You can;t maintain an AAA standard without paying debts.
03:46:57  <BiG_MEECH> And here I thought moodys declared it AA
03:47:20  <Mazur> Still paying something.
03:48:31  <BiG_MEECH> so disgusting
03:51:20  <BiG_MEECH> I wish we could pay it back down to something like 10T
03:51:49  <BiG_MEECH> which imo is still way too much debt
03:51:56  <BiG_MEECH> should be 0
03:52:27  <BiG_MEECH> how much debt your country running? or is it combined with eu debt?
03:52:57  <Mazur> No, that appears to be a bad thing, as well, according to my dad, who was an economiist.
03:53:43  <Mazur> 0.5 T.
03:54:02  <Mazur> Just under 30.000 per person.
03:54:35  <BiG_MEECH> in euros?
03:54:52  <Mazur> I'd guess so.
03:55:32  <BiG_MEECH> I'm guessing ours is close to 52,000
03:55:39  <BiG_MEECH> 19000000000000÷365000000
03:59:27  <BiG_MEECH> so you said that 0 debt = bad too ?
04:00:49  <Mazur> Yes, well, my dad once remarked on that point once, at the time I was too young to ask for (or understand0 the economic concerns behind it.
04:01:57  <Mazur> But I'd guess it'd be along the lines of too little investment in home infrastructure necessities, like roads, schools, hospitals.
04:02:35  <BiG_MEECH> I would hope that 0 debt you're a crazy baller tha can front the cash for all of that with 0 loan needed
04:02:44  <Mazur> Leaving one behind on those matetes compared to competitors.
04:03:28  <Mazur> Mind you, we're talking country finances, not private citizen finances.
04:04:25  <Mazur> If you front too much money, i.e. print more money, your currency devalues and loses confidence.
04:05:10  <BiG_MEECH> heh
04:05:18  <BiG_MEECH> they'd wonder when you got that max cash at
04:05:36  <BiG_MEECH> BiG_MEECH_LAND must have an inifinite printing press!
04:06:03  <BiG_MEECH> Nothing like Mazurland  :)
04:06:37  <Mazur> Then your currency would be valued at "inifinte/limited, fixed value of actual MOOCH_LAND_ECONOMY" = 0;
04:06:53  <BiG_MEECH> LOL
04:06:55  <BiG_MEECH> Null
04:06:57  <BiG_MEECH> xD
04:07:02  <Mazur> Indeed.  :-0
04:07:06  <Mazur> Like Zimbabwe.
04:07:16  <Mazur> Where a coke costs severtal millioon.
04:08:57  <BiG_MEECH> like after I build a boat in openttd :)
04:12:22  <Mazur> Only on Stable.
04:13:02  <Mazur> Did you know the Dutch invented capitalism?  And were the first Western World superpower?
04:13:20  <BiG_MEECH> I think so
04:13:31  <BiG_MEECH> Global empire
04:13:59  <BiG_MEECH> they had that sick route to indonesia I believe
04:14:07  <BiG_MEECH> ' dutch west indies ' or some shit lol
04:14:11  <Mazur> Indeed.
04:14:46  <Mazur> Nutmeg, which was not a character on Family Guy.
04:14:48  <BiG_MEECH> cool to know how much seafaring was easier than other forms of transport back them
04:14:57  <Mazur> Also the first foreigners to trade with Japan.
04:14:58  <BiG_MEECH> Yeah, Tea too
04:15:06  <Mazur> Lots of it.
04:15:13  <BiG_MEECH> probably odd dyes and silks
04:15:26  <BiG_MEECH> lots of stuff europe never seen before
04:15:30  <Mazur> Everything, really.
04:15:36  <BiG_MEECH> yup
04:15:56  <Mazur> But we've long abandoned (strict) capitalism.
04:16:33  <Mazur> Creates too large inequalities.
04:17:11  <BiG_MEECH> there's inequality even in communism
04:17:59  <Mazur> Yep, but in our current system, there's a nice balance bwteen the two.
04:18:33  <Mazur> Whihc is one reason Republicans hate us so.
04:19:13  <BiG_MEECH> I would say in large they're incompatabile
04:19:40  <BiG_MEECH> its late, i gots big things to do tomorrow
04:19:48  <BiG_MEECH> thank you for the thought provoking conversation :D
04:19:53  <Mazur> Well yes, if you compare the pure forms against eachother.
04:20:06  <BiG_MEECH> Maybe if I lived there, I'd get it
04:20:53  <BiG_MEECH> seeya :)
04:20:56  <Mazur> But if you set limits for companies, legalise workers rights for free time, minimal pay,  paid leave, sickness compensation,
04:20:59  <Mazur> See ya.
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05:18:00  <Djanxy> !dl win64
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17:12:35  <happpy> !players
17:12:35  <coopserver> happpy: The server is empty, noone is connected. Feel free to remedy this situation
17:12:40  <happpy> !date
17:12:40  <coopserver> Aug 25 1999
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19:31:16  <MrD2DG> !dl win64
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19:57:23  <Jam35> oh its currently YETI testing ground
19:57:37  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> I noticed :P
19:58:16  <Jam35> not even happy has a company :)
19:58:38  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Haha, yeah suprised he wasn't here
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20:00:31  <coopserver> <Jam35> the last game here was YETI too
20:00:44  <coopserver> <Jam35> and was hard
20:00:57  <coopserver> <Jam35> a new mode where you take mail to YETI
20:01:24  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> What's so hard, all the industries relying on each other?
20:01:34  <coopserver> <Jam35> getting enough mail
20:01:35  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> FIRS always used to scare everyone too haha
20:01:38  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Ah
20:02:03  <coopserver> <Jam35> like here you take pax there, that seems easier
20:02:57  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Ah
20:03:03  <coopserver> <Jam35> but idk about the numbers, how much/many makes how many yeti
20:03:14  <coopserver> <Jam35> there are more pax though
20:03:29  <coopserver> <Jam35> it needs tweaking with mail I think
20:04:07  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Sounds like V went overboard a little, shock, haha
20:04:41  <coopserver> <Jam35> hehe well not just him, Sylf is programming
20:04:59  <coopserver> <Jam35> hence the test network
20:05:06  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Ahh
20:05:46  <coopserver> <Jam35> the server isn't getting many visits
20:06:04  <coopserver> <Jam35> idk if that is the same on other servers
20:06:20  <coopserver> <Jam35> or another reason
20:06:34  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Hmmm
20:06:48  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Well you said you've been getting new players right?
20:07:12  <coopserver> <Jam35> yeah but more in PS  than here
20:07:26  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Strange
20:07:34  <coopserver> <Jam35> you get the same newbies here
20:08:11  <coopserver> <Jam35> but they don't count :)
20:08:26  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Haha
20:14:01  <coopserver> <Jam35> do you want some money?
20:14:20  <coopserver> <Jam35> green can lend some :)
20:14:28  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Erm, I'm not sure if ill be fine or not haha
20:14:47  <Jam35> game start seems hard
20:14:56  <Jam35> perhaps it puts people off
20:15:04  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Yeah maybe
20:15:19  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> I hate borrowing money though haha, I'll see how it goes for now
20:16:30  <Jam35> you will be fine I expect, just there is a lot of wating
20:16:38  <Jam35> waiting even
20:17:19  <Jam35> I go lurk again
20:17:20  <Jam35> gl
20:17:20  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Yeah looks like it
20:17:26  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Haha cool
20:17:30  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Thanks
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21:34:48  <happpy> hi
21:34:58  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Hey!
21:35:04  <happpy> how things
21:35:26  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Yeah good just thought I'd have a visit
21:35:28  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> You?
21:35:43  <happpy> good
21:36:03  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Nice
21:36:29  <happpy> been playing  airport citey  game on my tablert
21:37:15  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Oh okay
21:39:12  <happpy> its like openttd but its all planes and u doo space stuf as will
21:39:33  <happpy> and u doo the town like shops and so on
21:39:56  <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Oh okay
22:00:32  <coopserver> <Jam35> gn
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22:00:42  <happpy> gn jam
22:01:07  <happpy> !date
22:01:08  <coopserver> Sep 01 2008
22:08:21  <MrD2DG> GN!
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22:12:42  <happpy> player doo !name to  have  a new name
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22:13:16  <happpy> i hate when ther doo that
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