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01:33:24 *** CompuDesktop is now known as Compu 01:33:46 *** Compu has joined #openttdcoop.stable 02:36:29 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 02:36:33 <coopserver> *** Player has joined 02:36:34 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 02:37:03 <coopserver> *** Player has left the game (Leaving) 02:49:33 <BiG_MEECH> hmm' 02:52:50 <Mazur> You can say that again. 02:59:05 <BiG_MEECH> YO 02:59:20 <Mazur> o/ 03:00:26 <BiG_MEECH> I heard nexit is next :) 03:00:32 <BiG_MEECH> and Mr. Frexit 03:00:56 <Mazur> Yeah, not if I can help it. 03:02:01 <BiG_MEECH> Serious question, why do you find it necessary to be dictated by others when they're not looking for your best interests in mind? 03:04:22 <Mazur> No one is dictating anything to anyone, we're in a conversation and negotiation of countries striving to come together for the best of _all_, not for one particular country. 03:08:39 <Mazur> Quite a few British politicians have been acting as if the UK had no influence in the EU at all, that the UK were in sort of under foreign control, but the UK was part of it all, equally responsible for whatever they think the current problems are. 03:11:19 <Mazur> And all the benefits of being in the EU have been grossly underestimated and forgotten. 03:13:20 <BiG_MEECH> Even best for all doesnt automatically equate that it is the best for all countries 03:13:48 <BiG_MEECH> Interesting subject to talk about though :) 03:14:29 <Mazur> Well, the conservatives can repeal the Human Rights Act now, like they were considering earlier. 03:15:23 <Mazur> Also EU standards can be ignored for domestic consumption. 03:15:53 <BiG_MEECH> What is the human rights act? 03:15:59 <BiG_MEECH> got a link for me? 03:16:05 <BiG_MEECH> or what is it in general? 03:18:21 <BiG_MEECH> Sounds important lol 03:18:22 <Mazur> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Act_1998 03:18:23 <Webster> Title: Human Rights Act 1998 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 03:19:16 <BiG_MEECH> Well I would think that anything would be revoked that had to do with anything when they were in the EU 03:19:47 <BiG_MEECH> or at least replaced 03:20:10 <Mazur> Wrong, sinec the EU is a major trade partner for the UK, they'll still have to adhere to its standards to trade. 03:20:31 <Mazur> yesm, they'll have to replace lots of EU laws with UK equivalents. 03:21:17 <Mazur> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzeDZtx3wUw 03:26:09 <BiG_MEECH> mmhmm 03:27:25 <Mazur> Following Brexit, ‘What Is The EU?’ Becomes One Of The Most Searched Terms In The U.K. 03:27:46 <Mazur> Maybe that should have been done _before_ the vote? 03:29:13 <BiG_MEECH> I think more is going to change 03:30:41 <BiG_MEECH> I'm not picking on you or where you live but I think the countries with lower economic output would want to stay more than the big boys 03:31:01 <BiG_MEECH> lower not as in lack of work or w/e just GDP based on manufacturing and services 03:31:19 <Mazur> Netherlands. 03:32:02 <Mazur> I think Rotterdam would taek a huge hit as countries would look for different ports to use to the EU. 03:32:12 <Mazur> So our economy would tank. 03:33:54 <Mazur> And yes, sure the weaker countries profit relatively more, until they too have become stronger countries. 03:35:00 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 03:35:03 <coopserver> *** Player has joined 03:35:04 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 03:35:13 <Mazur> But since the southern Europe crises, they've been cleaning up their act, and I assume will try to avoid a new, similar crisis. 03:35:32 <BiG_MEECH> It's interesting b/c due to population and size things can't exactly equalize 03:35:44 <BiG_MEECH> Well I heard that spain and portugal weren't doing so hot either 03:36:31 <Mazur> No, they too have been bailed out, but on condition they clean up their actws, of course. 03:36:49 <BiG_MEECH> Well how many times can you bail something out 03:37:06 <Mazur> Exactly. 03:37:09 <BiG_MEECH> and things don't change 03:37:31 <Mazur> Yes, they do, not overnight, but they do. 03:37:35 <BiG_MEECH> Like, I'm, sure you've heard of detroit before? 03:38:19 <Mazur> Oh, no, not Detroit! 03:38:24 <BiG_MEECH> Detroit is a complete hellhole that the state of michigan, where I live, has bailed them out to the tune of billions of dollars, and they're still not good, not changing, totally worse than vomit 03:38:54 <BiG_MEECH> They've just bailed the school district out to the tune of 1 billion dollars 03:39:34 <Mazur> Be glad the Reupblicans were not in charge, they'd been written off. 03:39:46 <coopserver> *** Player has left the game (Leaving) 03:40:08 <BiG_MEECH> I'm not sure abotu that, Repub's are in charge right now lol 03:40:32 <BiG_MEECH> if you said Democrats, that I could believe lol 03:40:54 <Mazur> BUt it was Obama who bailed out the Car comapanies, against GOP ideas. 03:41:28 <BiG_MEECH> that situation was a joke 03:42:09 <BiG_MEECH> GOP wanted them to go bankrupt and come out using existing bank support as their loan guarantors 03:42:24 <BiG_MEECH> tbt, they didnt have to go bankrupt but wanted to 03:42:55 <Mazur> Sure, easy write off of debts. 03:43:07 <Mazur> the Trump business pan for the USA. 03:44:32 <Mazur> Which will also include not paying debts, I assume. 03:45:25 <BiG_MEECH> USA ain't paying now lol 03:45:28 <BiG_MEECH> not much will change 03:45:37 <BiG_MEECH> fucking 20 trillion dollars lol 03:45:50 <Mazur> Of course they are, even if it's only the interest. 03:46:07 <Mazur> HOw else will they be able to loan again if needed? 03:46:32 <Mazur> You can;t maintain an AAA standard without paying debts. 03:46:57 <BiG_MEECH> And here I thought moodys declared it AA 03:47:20 <Mazur> Still paying something. 03:48:31 <BiG_MEECH> so disgusting 03:51:20 <BiG_MEECH> I wish we could pay it back down to something like 10T 03:51:49 <BiG_MEECH> which imo is still way too much debt 03:51:56 <BiG_MEECH> should be 0 03:52:27 <BiG_MEECH> how much debt your country running? or is it combined with eu debt? 03:52:57 <Mazur> No, that appears to be a bad thing, as well, according to my dad, who was an economiist. 03:53:43 <Mazur> 0.5 T. 03:54:02 <Mazur> Just under 30.000 per person. 03:54:35 <BiG_MEECH> in euros? 03:54:52 <Mazur> I'd guess so. 03:55:32 <BiG_MEECH> I'm guessing ours is close to 52,000 03:55:39 <BiG_MEECH> 19000000000000÷365000000 03:59:27 <BiG_MEECH> so you said that 0 debt = bad too ? 04:00:49 <Mazur> Yes, well, my dad once remarked on that point once, at the time I was too young to ask for (or understand0 the economic concerns behind it. 04:01:57 <Mazur> But I'd guess it'd be along the lines of too little investment in home infrastructure necessities, like roads, schools, hospitals. 04:02:35 <BiG_MEECH> I would hope that 0 debt you're a crazy baller tha can front the cash for all of that with 0 loan needed 04:02:44 <Mazur> Leaving one behind on those matetes compared to competitors. 04:03:28 <Mazur> Mind you, we're talking country finances, not private citizen finances. 04:04:25 <Mazur> If you front too much money, i.e. print more money, your currency devalues and loses confidence. 04:05:10 <BiG_MEECH> heh 04:05:18 <BiG_MEECH> they'd wonder when you got that max cash at 04:05:36 <BiG_MEECH> BiG_MEECH_LAND must have an inifinite printing press! 04:06:03 <BiG_MEECH> Nothing like Mazurland :) 04:06:37 <Mazur> Then your currency would be valued at "inifinte/limited, fixed value of actual MOOCH_LAND_ECONOMY" = 0; 04:06:53 <BiG_MEECH> LOL 04:06:55 <BiG_MEECH> Null 04:06:57 <BiG_MEECH> xD 04:07:02 <Mazur> Indeed. :-0 04:07:06 <Mazur> Like Zimbabwe. 04:07:16 <Mazur> Where a coke costs severtal millioon. 04:08:57 <BiG_MEECH> like after I build a boat in openttd :) 04:12:22 <Mazur> Only on Stable. 04:13:02 <Mazur> Did you know the Dutch invented capitalism? And were the first Western World superpower? 04:13:20 <BiG_MEECH> I think so 04:13:31 <BiG_MEECH> Global empire 04:13:59 <BiG_MEECH> they had that sick route to indonesia I believe 04:14:07 <BiG_MEECH> ' dutch west indies ' or some shit lol 04:14:11 <Mazur> Indeed. 04:14:46 <Mazur> Nutmeg, which was not a character on Family Guy. 04:14:48 <BiG_MEECH> cool to know how much seafaring was easier than other forms of transport back them 04:14:57 <Mazur> Also the first foreigners to trade with Japan. 04:14:58 <BiG_MEECH> Yeah, Tea too 04:15:06 <Mazur> Lots of it. 04:15:13 <BiG_MEECH> probably odd dyes and silks 04:15:26 <BiG_MEECH> lots of stuff europe never seen before 04:15:30 <Mazur> Everything, really. 04:15:36 <BiG_MEECH> yup 04:15:56 <Mazur> But we've long abandoned (strict) capitalism. 04:16:33 <Mazur> Creates too large inequalities. 04:17:11 <BiG_MEECH> there's inequality even in communism 04:17:59 <Mazur> Yep, but in our current system, there's a nice balance bwteen the two. 04:18:33 <Mazur> Whihc is one reason Republicans hate us so. 04:19:13 <BiG_MEECH> I would say in large they're incompatabile 04:19:40 <BiG_MEECH> its late, i gots big things to do tomorrow 04:19:48 <BiG_MEECH> thank you for the thought provoking conversation :D 04:19:53 <Mazur> Well yes, if you compare the pure forms against eachother. 04:20:06 <BiG_MEECH> Maybe if I lived there, I'd get it 04:20:53 <BiG_MEECH> seeya :) 04:20:56 <Mazur> But if you set limits for companies, legalise workers rights for free time, minimal pay, paid leave, sickness compensation, 04:20:59 <Mazur> See ya. 05:17:46 *** Djanxy has joined #openttdcoop.stable 05:18:00 <Djanxy> !dl win64 05:18:00 <coopserver> Djanxy: http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.6.1-RC1/openttd-1.6.1-RC1-windows-win64.zip 05:19:10 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 05:19:13 <coopserver> *** Djanxy has joined 05:19:14 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 05:26:43 <coopserver> *** Djanxy has left the game (Leaving) 06:02:37 *** Djanxy has quit IRC 10:02:31 *** StarLite has joined #openttdcoop.stable 10:02:31 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o StarLite 10:54:19 *** aard has joined #openttdcoop.stable 11:04:59 *** happpy has quit IRC 11:45:49 *** BiG_MEECH has quit IRC 13:29:24 *** Djanxy has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:11:59 *** happpy has joined #openttdcoop.stable 17:12:35 <happpy> !players 17:12:35 <coopserver> happpy: The server is empty, noone is connected. Feel free to remedy this situation 17:12:40 <happpy> !date 17:12:40 <coopserver> Aug 25 1999 17:27:59 *** aard has quit IRC 18:08:15 *** aard has joined #openttdcoop.stable 18:40:38 *** Clockworker has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:31:10 *** MrD2DG has joined #openttdcoop.stable 19:31:16 <MrD2DG> !dl win64 19:31:16 <coopserver> MrD2DG: http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/1.6.1-RC1/openttd-1.6.1-RC1-windows-win64.zip 19:42:55 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 19:43:03 <coopserver> *** MrD2DG has joined 19:43:04 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:56:57 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (connecting clients, number of players) 19:57:02 <coopserver> *** Jam35 has joined 19:57:03 <coopserver> *** Game still paused (number of players) 19:57:23 <Jam35> oh its currently YETI testing ground 19:57:37 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> I noticed :P 19:58:16 <Jam35> not even happy has a company :) 19:58:38 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Haha, yeah suprised he wasn't here 19:58:55 <coopserver> *** MrD2DG has started a new company #2 19:58:56 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (number of players) 20:00:31 <coopserver> <Jam35> the last game here was YETI too 20:00:44 <coopserver> <Jam35> and was hard 20:00:57 <coopserver> <Jam35> a new mode where you take mail to YETI 20:01:24 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> What's so hard, all the industries relying on each other? 20:01:34 <coopserver> <Jam35> getting enough mail 20:01:35 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> FIRS always used to scare everyone too haha 20:01:38 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Ah 20:02:03 <coopserver> <Jam35> like here you take pax there, that seems easier 20:02:57 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Ah 20:03:03 <coopserver> <Jam35> but idk about the numbers, how much/many makes how many yeti 20:03:14 <coopserver> <Jam35> there are more pax though 20:03:29 <coopserver> <Jam35> it needs tweaking with mail I think 20:04:07 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Sounds like V went overboard a little, shock, haha 20:04:41 <coopserver> <Jam35> hehe well not just him, Sylf is programming 20:04:59 <coopserver> <Jam35> hence the test network 20:05:06 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Ahh 20:05:46 <coopserver> <Jam35> the server isn't getting many visits 20:06:04 <coopserver> <Jam35> idk if that is the same on other servers 20:06:20 <coopserver> <Jam35> or another reason 20:06:34 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Hmmm 20:06:48 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Well you said you've been getting new players right? 20:07:12 <coopserver> <Jam35> yeah but more in PS than here 20:07:26 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Strange 20:07:34 <coopserver> <Jam35> you get the same newbies here 20:08:11 <coopserver> <Jam35> but they don't count :) 20:08:26 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Haha 20:14:01 <coopserver> <Jam35> do you want some money? 20:14:20 <coopserver> <Jam35> green can lend some :) 20:14:28 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Erm, I'm not sure if ill be fine or not haha 20:14:47 <Jam35> game start seems hard 20:14:56 <Jam35> perhaps it puts people off 20:15:04 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Yeah maybe 20:15:19 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> I hate borrowing money though haha, I'll see how it goes for now 20:16:30 <Jam35> you will be fine I expect, just there is a lot of wating 20:16:38 <Jam35> waiting even 20:17:19 <Jam35> I go lurk again 20:17:20 <Jam35> gl 20:17:20 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Yeah looks like it 20:17:26 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Haha cool 20:17:30 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Thanks 20:49:23 *** Djanxy has quit IRC 21:09:18 *** Clockworker_ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:09:18 *** Clockworker has quit IRC 21:10:32 *** Clockworker__ has joined #openttdcoop.stable 21:17:52 *** Clockworker_ has quit IRC 21:34:48 <happpy> hi 21:34:58 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Hey! 21:35:04 <happpy> how things 21:35:26 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Yeah good just thought I'd have a visit 21:35:28 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> You? 21:35:43 <happpy> good 21:36:03 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Nice 21:36:29 <happpy> been playing airport citey game on my tablert 21:37:15 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Oh okay 21:39:12 <happpy> its like openttd but its all planes and u doo space stuf as will 21:39:33 <happpy> and u doo the town like shops and so on 21:39:56 <coopserver> <MrD2DG> Oh okay 22:00:32 <coopserver> <Jam35> gn 22:00:34 <coopserver> *** Jam35 has left the game (Leaving) 22:00:42 <happpy> gn jam 22:01:07 <happpy> !date 22:01:08 <coopserver> Sep 01 2008 22:08:21 <MrD2DG> GN! 22:11:52 <coopserver> *** Game paused (connecting clients) 22:12:00 <coopserver> *** Player has joined 22:12:01 <coopserver> Player: Please change your name before joining/starting a company. Use '!name <new name>' to do so. 22:12:02 <coopserver> *** Player has started a new company #4 22:12:03 <coopserver> Player: Please change your name before joining/starting a company. Use '!name <new name>' to do so. 22:12:04 <coopserver> *** Player has joined spectators 22:12:05 <coopserver> *** Game unpaused (connecting clients) 22:12:42 <happpy> player doo !name to have a new name 22:13:01 <coopserver> *** Player has left the game (Leaving) 22:13:16 <happpy> i hate when ther doo that 22:29:29 *** happpy has quit IRC 22:50:59 *** StarLite has quit IRC 23:16:23 *** aard has quit IRC 23:41:51 <coopserver> *** MrD2DG has left the game (Leaving) 23:41:52 <coopserver> *** Game paused (number of players) 23:42:01 *** MrD2DG has quit IRC