Log for #openttdcoop.stable on 12th November 2017:
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00:03:21  <coopserver> <loeky> stoping trains
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00:31:51  <coopserver> <loeky> bbh 01 is started on 5ml
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00:33:03  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> nice
00:36:09  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> dame f towns
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00:41:40  <coopserver> <loeky> error on bbh 02
00:42:22  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> ywar
00:42:26  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> year
00:52:42  <coopserver> <loeky> that is it for me GN
00:52:57  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> gn  thanks for the help
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11:07:58  <V453000> yo :)
11:08:03  <coopserver> <leg3nd> yo
11:08:23  <V453000> how are you doin?
11:08:56  <coopserver> <leg3nd> im good, Busy with studies and work. And once again i did have some spare time to look at your work :)
11:09:27  <coopserver> <leg3nd> can see you have been busy with creating this nice brixx
11:09:43  <V453000> cool :)
11:09:44  <V453000> yeah I have :)
11:09:54  <V453000> even updated PURR
11:10:16  <coopserver> <leg3nd> oh you still working on both. did think Brixx is the sucessor.
11:10:31  <V453000> PURR are tracks BRIX is base set replacement
11:10:40  <V453000> RAWR was the older base set replacement
11:10:53  <coopserver> <leg3nd> All the names :)
11:11:08  <V453000> you're not the first one who is confused by them :)
11:11:27  <coopserver> <leg3nd> well aint that more a hint to you then :) hehe
11:12:09  <V453000> is, I just don't want to give up the trend :P am working on new train set, will also have self-recursive name
11:12:11  <V453000> G_G
11:12:24  <V453000> there are some blog articles about BRIX if you want to read some :P
11:13:06  <coopserver> <leg3nd> i did just read the BRIX one. like the way you defend your choice and pos and negative
11:13:09  <coopserver> <leg3nd> well done
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11:14:05  <V453000> :) thanks
11:14:13  <leg3nd> no problem
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11:14:37  <leg3nd> see purr just got added to the blog also :)
11:15:27  <V453000> yeah just minutes ago
11:15:32  <V453000> I'll be back in about 30 minutes :)
11:15:37  <leg3nd> np bro
11:19:46  <happpy> hi
11:19:52  <leg3nd> hi happy
11:20:08  <happpy> how things
11:20:37  <leg3nd> its good. Studies and work. Just finnished my CCNA so pretty happy and relived i dont need to read anymore
11:20:59  <happpy> nice
11:22:24  <leg3nd> yeah lets just hope the work dont want me to take the CCNP and i will flop :)
11:23:02  <leg3nd> what about u ?
11:23:58  <happpy> good  been playing on the server whive v new grf  and doing  command conquer ries ov the reds
11:24:33  <leg3nd> So aktive as always :)
11:24:55  <happpy> yep
11:26:40  <leg3nd> :) nothing really change with u ppl. "in a good way"
11:27:35  <happpy> ppl?
11:28:21  <leg3nd> you people here at openttdcoop. Always active and doing great work.
11:28:35  <happpy> yep
11:29:07  <happpy> v is doing  all the work we just test it for hem
11:29:15  <happpy> but year
11:29:48  <leg3nd> well some need to test, a creator ussely cant judge there own work :)
11:30:46  <happpy> that's true
11:33:44  <leg3nd> pretty funny that i did come in here again. I was borred and did not want to play iracing with my team m8. so we did decide for ttd just for fun. and they did not want to play with me after 30 min, because of how i did make tracks :)
11:35:36  <happpy> ther sume player's  dont like how stuf look
11:36:28  <leg3nd> They did the clasic, 1 track to 1 station. and not mixing it, Did no use signals. so they did just not find it fair. understadeble
11:37:02  <happpy> yep
11:37:03  <leg3nd> but i guess the 4 month i did play alot here. you all did destroy me :)
11:37:43  <happpy> in what way
11:38:48  <leg3nd> in the good way. i did play like them first also. it is like going from a bike to driving a AMG a whole new level what you learn from this community
11:39:23  <happpy> year i have learn a lot to
11:39:43  <happpy> pro players help me
11:40:10  <leg3nd> yeah.
11:40:36  <leg3nd> only thing i can be proud of is that i made one great hub in my time here.
11:41:02  <happpy> i dun sume good bbh on the map
11:41:47  <leg3nd> just this one i made ofc with V help
11:43:13  <happpy> jam35  shord me  how to do a overflow but ther won player je name was dixion he shord me a lot  he did a server just for me and gem so he can teech me about network
11:43:44  <leg3nd> thats awsome
11:45:00  <happpy> year that looks ver good
11:46:34  <leg3nd> but dont try and make me do one more. Cant do it :)
11:48:08  <happpy> year u can  just copey what u just did
11:48:49  <leg3nd> yeah :)
11:48:59  <leg3nd> but that's sorta cheating
11:49:16  <happpy> i never csn do slh or bbh but u  just got to find a bit ov the map and play whive it  in till u got the bbh dun
11:50:04  <happpy> i just keep practice on slh and bbh then i got good at it
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11:50:32  <leg3nd> yeah. ut takes time. but eventuely u will get it done. If you get the main elements of what you are doing.
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11:57:50  <happpy> true
11:58:39  <happpy> thats y u do a temp network then wven u got the money in then u do the new neteork and bbh
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12:02:31  <V453000> back :)
12:02:48  <leg3nd_> WB
12:02:50  <V453000> fuck leg3nd that's an old hub :P
12:02:57  <V453000> been a while
12:03:03  <leg3nd_> yeah. its the one im most proud of.
12:03:12  <leg3nd_> Maybe because you did add it to a article :)
12:03:26  <leg3nd_> come on, it was back in 2010 ish right =
12:03:38  <V453000> well, it's a solid hub
12:04:01  <V453000> I wouldn't really build it better nowadays
12:04:06  <V453000> which is kind of eh :P
12:04:45  <leg3nd_> we did also use alot of time on it, i remmber. Only thing i could do because it was a refit game, and that i never figured out :)
12:04:59  <leg3nd_> and the place for that hub was horrible no space What so ever.
12:05:22  <V453000> :)
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12:06:47  <leg3nd_> Oh btw V its going to take time to learn he new signals.
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12:07:36  <leg3nd> they look so out of place. but guess its because they are new and kinda shiny :)
12:07:49  <V453000> that's possible, but I am quite confident that they are quite good
12:08:35  <leg3nd> i like the yeti ones. What a horrible job for a yeti to stand with a sign all day long :)
12:08:46  <leg3nd> and butt naked.
12:10:17  <V453000> :D some of them have pants.
12:10:38  <leg3nd> arr so its PG 13 rated :)
12:11:46  <leg3nd> how is the factorio going ?
12:13:07  <V453000> Factorio is going great, a lot of work though :) which is a good thing
12:14:12  <leg3nd> good good. yeah what would u do if you did not have a lot of work. Crawl out of your skin :)
12:15:37  <V453000> I would just invent some other work like openttd stuff :P
12:15:47  <V453000> I also started working on a new train set, for now just creating prototype
12:16:37  <leg3nd> now when we talk of creating stuff. i have always wonderede why no one is taking the source code of openttd and create a 2017 gfx engine and really shine it all up.
12:16:50  <leg3nd> but guess it takes a dev team of 20 ppl or so
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12:25:25  <V453000> well the big question is, would it REALLY be better?
12:25:39  <V453000> the answer isn't that clear to me :)
12:26:02  <V453000> especially when you would throw away all of the old newgrfs and it would take years to swith to the new thing, some of them would never do that
12:26:25  <V453000> look at 32bpp, it's compatible yet there is a handful of people working on anything 32bpp/extra zoom
12:26:37  <V453000> if it was even less compatible, I wouldn't give it more hope
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12:27:51  <happpy> i think can u mixs the old grf and the new gtf  togever
12:28:07  <happpy> !date
12:28:07  <coopserver> Nov 16 2108
12:28:13  <happpy> !players
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12:28:37  <happpy> hi oakmeal
12:28:42  <leg3nd> i was more thinking of if you see at the game Mashinky it is new engine, but still taking the Tiles from TTD.
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12:29:07  <V453000> I understand leg3nd, but I wouldn't say mashinky's graphics are any good for building big networks
12:29:07  <oakmeal> hello everyone
12:29:13  <happpy> hi
12:29:22  <V453000> nobody will build a network of 3000 trains in mashinky I bet, at least not for a very long time
12:29:25  <V453000> hihi
12:29:29  <leg3nd> true true. but it might bring more ppl to the game :)
12:30:07  <V453000> making something like BRIX might as well :)
12:30:17  <leg3nd> but again when you think of it. TTD is so much ahead of it time when they did make it. so pretty impresive it have stand its time
12:30:35  <happpy> v the 3 times zoom   its good but hear your eyes
12:31:01  <V453000> in my eyes the best way forward is to make new looking things, but compatible with old things, just like I wrote in the BRIX article
12:31:03  <leg3nd> hi oakmeal
12:31:08  <V453000> yeah happy the x4 zoom is just for fancy short term stuff
12:31:44  <leg3nd> V453000, true not mocking you dont worry :)
12:31:46  <happpy> year  but its good to see if u dun the sigmal right
12:32:26  <V453000> I know just saying what I think
12:32:53  <V453000> it's pretty easy to confidently say that OpenTTD is still the best train game
12:33:02  <leg3nd> can u see how many times the brix have been downloaded and usede so far ? i would guess its hard to get a foothold with all the content that is out there. "like a cup of water in the ocean"
12:33:05  <V453000> even if ther are tons of other modern simulators and shit in ultra realistic graphics
12:33:53  <V453000> I can see it for each of my newgrfs and their versions individually, but the latest version anybody can see
12:33:55  <leg3nd> i agree it is still one of the best. because there is all the elements in it. other games dont have some simple funktion that is esentials.
12:34:02  <V453000> atm 1772 times
12:34:09  <leg3nd> not bad. at all.
12:34:21  <happpy> hey v in the graphics and u make the water like ice  or red
12:34:41  <V453000> I can happy but idk why :)
12:34:55  <V453000> I could make add-on newgrfs which replace just that
12:34:56  <V453000> but eh
12:35:21  <happpy> i just what to no  but year
12:35:42  <V453000> yes it's not a bad amount leg3nd but it just shows that there is less activity around openttd overall than there used to be :) which is understandable
12:36:01  <V453000> we'll see happy, I might do it one day just for you :P
12:36:06  <V453000> it's really easy for me to do
12:36:10  <V453000> if it's just a recolour
12:36:17  <happpy> will  u dun a good job v love the stuf
12:37:01  <V453000> :P for now it is enough then
12:37:11  <leg3nd> yeah v make sense. but it is like that with older games. Its just the "hardcore" fans that still play it.
12:38:24  <V453000> there's still a bunch of newer players actually, just not much on our servers, typically on the more competitive ones
12:38:54  <leg3nd> those city builders and goal servers are still runing i see.
12:39:03  <happpy> yep
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12:39:24  <leg3nd> just a shame they dont use GRF and so on. would put some life into them.
12:39:44  <happpy> year true
12:39:54  <happpy> hey loeky how things
12:39:54  <V453000> well it's very short term fun
12:40:03  <V453000> people who just want to build stupid shit for an hour and forget about it
12:40:11  <V453000> ofc not everyone there
12:40:12  <V453000> but yeah
12:40:24  <loeky> hey all good
12:40:24  <leg3nd> yeah, but a nice touch with the leaderboards and so on. gives a incentive.
12:40:33  <leg3nd> hi loeky
12:41:02  <V453000> ish
12:41:30  <V453000> having stats here for amount of profittable trains in the last year would be cool
12:41:38  <V453000> but then TL1 and shit would just be off the hook :D
12:41:47  <leg3nd> :)
12:41:48  <V453000> can't really attach numbers to openttd
12:42:02  <V453000> amount of cargo transported is closest probably
12:43:02  <leg3nd> or max created og a 2nd product like Goods, and so on.
12:43:25  <leg3nd> over a period of 1 ingame year. so you cant just bump it.
12:43:26  <V453000> well not everyone has goods some people just have coal etc
12:43:51  <V453000> that's why cargo transported is a better measurement, just says how much your network does
12:43:59  <V453000> but using TL20 then just makes more sense
12:44:22  <V453000> basically every of such statistic means that it motivates one strategy too much
12:44:39  <V453000> you can do all and weigh them into a total score
12:44:39  <V453000> but eh
12:45:05  <leg3nd> u can also make restriction on those games then. force a certain TL.
12:45:32  <V453000> yeah but that just makes everyone use the max T
12:45:34  <V453000> TL
12:45:43  <V453000> that's what people do on the competitive servers
12:45:52  <V453000> they check max TL and max station settings
12:46:02  <V453000> no-brainer automatically do the max
12:46:16  <leg3nd> or a range. make criteria, for scoring tl3 100% score TL2 80% but add some move score point because of amounth of trains needed.
12:47:00  <leg3nd> but i see what you mean.
12:47:32  <leg3nd> but it should be able to make it interesting with difrence parameters giving diffrence scores added to the end.
12:47:39  <V453000> yeah, I guess I just never really cared about it enough to build such a system
12:47:54  <V453000> which doesn't mean it's not possible
12:47:59  <leg3nd> true.
12:48:39  <leg3nd> but it sorta is fitting for the welcome server since they are mostly "island" maps so could be interesting just to have runing.
12:49:20  <V453000> I guess
12:49:29  <V453000> but then people care more if it's fair and everyone has same island etc
12:49:40  <V453000> I generally wanted to build friendly atmosphere instead of competitive
12:49:47  <leg3nd> but see what you mean. Why create a system that aint the main goal for the servers.
12:53:45  <loeky> if building on island you need to take the size of it into acount as well
12:53:45  <V453000> well it would probably have some merit of more people staying but idk about negative effects
12:54:27  <V453000> also I wouldn't really know how to do it myself and  it would be just a programming task that I wasn't really that interested in
12:54:36  <V453000> nowadays I do a lot of scripting so today it might be more likely
12:57:41  <leg3nd> it would be a special task to do, and how to incoperate it. But none is saying it has to be showned to players.
12:58:26  <leg3nd> Think of it as stats for seeing the diffrence style of creating network, what is more effecient copare to astetics and expandibility.
12:58:51  <leg3nd> it might give hints on creating network diffrenc in Coop games.
12:59:29  <leg3nd> thats the thing with stats, they always usefull for something. even tho at first u dont really see the use for it.
13:00:25  <V453000> mhm
13:00:26  <leg3nd> and dont mind my ideas, i was just brainstorming on getting more players to get into a server, and stay there plus making the population grow.
13:00:33  <V453000> I'm not saying it's a bad idea
13:00:51  <V453000> just that I don't see myself doing it anytime soon :) now I have an amazing plan for a new train set
13:00:58  <V453000> more like NUTS^2 instead of NUTS2
13:01:37  <leg3nd> n^2 :)
13:01:43  <leg3nd> I see what you did there.
13:03:08  <leg3nd> and who is also saying you need to do it V :)
13:03:33  <V453000> well you can :P
13:03:35  <V453000> gogo
13:03:38  <V453000> <3
13:03:41  <leg3nd> there is probely other tallented ppl here. I would do it if i could code :)
13:04:00  <leg3nd> can hardly make a If loop in C# but get the general idea.
13:04:06  <V453000> "I would do X if I could Y" is something you will not get shit done with :P
13:04:15  <V453000> well that's already a good start leg3nd
13:04:23  <V453000> I couldn't make pictures or code 10 years ago
13:05:47  <leg3nd> i have a project already of extrating Json files from a website and add it to SQL to make a stats page of our Iracing teams Rating history but. hit a snatch on how to get authentication to login to the website. so now i just login manual and DL the Json files
13:26:37  <V453000> nice
13:26:48  <V453000> see, not so far off probably :P
13:28:38  <leg3nd> nope. but pain in a neck to make. And making it in C# and need to convert it to phyton so it run on my pi
13:29:32  <V453000> all I do is python :)
13:30:27  <loeky> C64 basic 2.0 (before my time)
13:31:03  <leg3nd> yeah i still have my c64 with the basic modular case in the addict
13:34:51  <leg3nd> did u learn phyton by u self or u have some coding education V ?
13:38:15  <V453000> I don't really have any education at all
13:38:19  <V453000> everything by myself
13:41:21  <leg3nd> kudos to u. Well done
13:41:46  <leg3nd> coding has just such a huge steep learning curb in the begining.
13:42:14  <V453000> well I consult with programmer friends
13:42:25  <V453000> but one just has to go through it on their own :) just like everything else
13:42:52  <leg3nd> yeah. probely also the best way to learn it, since you learn in another way then others.
13:43:13  <leg3nd> next week in school i have powershell basic learning, so thats going to be easy.
13:43:43  <leg3nd> as i did write earlier im happy im done with Cisco CCNA
13:43:53  <leg3nd> that is a mess to understand. hehe
13:44:55  <V453000> :)
13:45:18  <V453000> I'm currently trying to make a 1-button automated workflow for my new train set
13:45:36  <V453000> trying to eliminate After Effects from pipeline, I will be trying to extract individual layers from PSD, rest is already solved
13:46:18  <leg3nd> hmm. that dont sound imposible :)
13:46:55  <V453000> yeah I already googled multiple python modules which claim to do it
13:47:08  <V453000> I just need to check how exactly with some edge cases I have in mind
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13:52:05  <leg3nd> :)
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14:08:34  <leg3nd> :(
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14:25:38  <happpy> hi
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15:03:27  <happpy> whats up loeky
15:04:06  <loeky> just checking
15:04:24  <happpy> nicr
15:04:27  <happpy> nice
15:05:04  <coopserver> <loeky> think i will do toys station
15:05:10  <happpy> shord we get the 3 and 4 ml  dun
15:05:20  <happpy> year go for it
15:05:59  <happpy> ther won bit stil nedd doing  is after the bbh 01
15:06:16  <happpy> going to the spit i dun
15:06:32  <coopserver> <loeky> yeah but i dont see any trains on 4th
15:08:33  <happpy> yep if the network is fall then add the 4 ml
15:08:52  <coopserver> <loeky> k will see
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15:18:44  <coopserver> <loeky> heem seems we have some lost trains
15:19:47  <happpy> chek the ml or the sigmal
15:20:41  <happpy> bbh02 i have to remov the bit going to the toyfactoey
15:21:20  <happpy> when i was doing the upgrade bb03 and 002
15:33:06  <coopserver> <loeky> no idee why trains turn track seems fine
15:33:50  <happpy> is the sigmal ok
15:34:11  <coopserver> <loeky> i can spot a fault
15:34:23  <happpy> fors the train going ther
15:34:38  <happpy> and then u find the problem
15:43:46  <coopserver> <loeky> k ready for trains
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16:50:20  <coopserver> <loeky> need to fix SL is only 1 line and build 5ml merger at bbh 01 cant handle extra trains (-:
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17:55:11  <happpy> wb
17:55:19  <coopserver> <loeky> thanks
18:30:41  <happpy> i be on later i just got to do a round iv war
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18:36:09  <coopserver> <loeky> good need to redo some balacing 4ml not good spread
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18:46:24  <happpy> ok port a sign on it and i have a look
18:46:42  <coopserver> <loeky> just look where the trains stop
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18:49:23  <coopserver> <loeky> hey
18:49:29  <coopserver> <leg3nd> Hi
18:51:42  <leg3nd> Oh Damn these new signals. So confusing :)
18:54:03  <happpy> its not so bad mor times u play the beter u get
18:54:28  <coopserver> <leg3nd> Yeah. Everything new is always hard to get rid of old habbits :)
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20:42:00  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> hi
20:42:05  <coopserver> <loeky> hey
20:42:10  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> y is train 517 stop
20:42:37  <coopserver> <loeky> yeah is using wrong route cant find problem
20:43:07  <coopserver> <loeky> there empty so its on pick up run
20:48:28  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> foiund the problem  on that train u say  can not find it
20:48:39  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> it was the overflow
20:48:59  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> fixs  now
20:51:07  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> bit slow  going to bbh 03 to bbh 02
20:52:17  <coopserver> <loeky> at bbh 02 should start 5ml bbh 03 fery messy balacing to 4ml
20:56:28  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> dont think i can ade a 5 ml at bbh 03
20:56:58  <coopserver> <loeky> think 4 will do but after toys drop trains add 4 is geting low
20:57:28  <coopserver> <loeky> and no more fizzy drinks to pick up (for now)
20:58:20  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> yep
21:00:52  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> the onley way to ade a 5 ml at bbh 03 is  to try tunall it
21:01:10  <coopserver> <loeky> see # 103 wrong as well
21:01:37  <coopserver> <loeky> #501 plastic )-:
21:02:46  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> yea a gen overrflow  not dun right
21:04:15  <coopserver> <happytrainsport> the train u dun was ther go  in to the ovderflow  then back  on  the network  but i fixs it
21:08:41  <happpy> ok that shord fixs eney lost trains
21:09:55  <coopserver> <loeky> nice
21:12:24  <coopserver> <loeky> got some more sweets to pick up may need to redo bbh 03 after all
21:13:32  <happpy> heem like i say the onley way to ade  a5 ml is to tunall it
21:14:41  <coopserver> <loeky> yeah but not today for me only 4 station cargo stock pile
21:15:00  <happpy> ok
21:16:05  <loeky> all for sweets drop may need bigger station as well then
21:16:32  <happpy> year
21:20:34  <coopserver> <loeky> station drop is still looking odd
21:20:37  <coopserver> <loeky> good
21:21:04  <happpy> thats good
21:23:41  <coopserver> <loeky> 4ml is not full all the time so when rebuilding the bbh 3 exit balacer will probably hold for some more trains
21:24:37  <happpy> year if it need a 5 ml then i can tunall it
21:25:17  <coopserver> <loeky> what is the goal have more trains then V
21:26:16  <happpy> will to do that we need to ade 5 and 6 ml
21:27:01  <happpy> but the sweet pick up can not take ebey mor trains
21:27:33  <coopserver> <loeky> bbh 01 may need 6 others micht do at 5 maby even 4
21:28:22  <happpy> year
21:28:42  <happpy> how meney trains v got  then we got
21:29:05  <coopserver> <loeky> but V has longer trains so it not a good comparasion V=710
21:29:18  <coopserver> <loeky> 637
21:30:03  <coopserver> <loeky> 710/47087 = trains vs tracks
21:30:14  <coopserver> <loeky> 637/29237
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21:30:19  <coopserver> <V453000> yo
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21:30:24  <coopserver> <loeky> he ya
21:30:30  <happpy> hey v
21:30:45  <coopserver> <V453000> fighting TL7 with TL3 in train count? bitches :D
21:31:18  <coopserver> <loeky> yeah need other comparison
21:32:16  <happpy> v we can not ade eney mir traits so  i think  634 trains is nice
21:33:17  <coopserver> <loeky> sure we can add trains
21:34:11  <happpy> bbh03 and 02 and 01 is fual up
21:34:16  <happpy> but go for it
21:34:45  <coopserver> <V453000> I can expand quite easily :P bring the challenge
21:34:54  <coopserver> <loeky> yeah it wont help flow but only a few to go not much waiting cargo
21:36:22  <coopserver> <loeky> well easily? not so sure
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21:39:30  <coopserver> <V453000> easily :P
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21:39:34  <V453000> back to pythons
21:41:35  <leg3nd> Im off.
21:41:39  <leg3nd> Good night ppl
21:41:46  <coopserver> <loeky> gn
21:41:51  <coopserver> <loeky> gtg too
21:41:59  <happpy> gn
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