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00:00:09 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:00:45 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:15:03 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2FF84.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:15:03 *** dp is now known as dp-- 00:23:51 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B823F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:24:27 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B823F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:25:30 *** Dr_Jekyll [i=dr_jekyl@p549F5496.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openTTD 00:29:56 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@87.203.133.12] has quit [Connection timed out] 00:35:37 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC8C1CB.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:43:57 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye"] 01:07:31 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:16:44 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36784.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:19:18 *** dst_ [n=dennis@p213.54.88.56.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:28:01 <CIA-5> belugas * r3806 /branch/tfc_newmap/openttd.dsp: [tfc_newmap] -Corrected and re-arranged MSV Workspace 01:28:11 <coppercore> sdsdfsadfsadfsadf 01:36:28 <CIA-5> belugas * r3807 /branch/tfc_newmap/openttd.dsp: [tfc_newmap] -Corrected MSV Workspace from last commit 01:37:23 <CIA-5> belugas * r3808 /branch/tfc_newmap/ (9 files in 2 dirs): [tfc_newmap] -Updated to trunk r3805 01:38:17 *** Forexs [i=Forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k136.webspeed.dk] has quit ["Go on, get out. 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03:48:46 <coppercore> google? 03:48:55 <coppercore> actually 03:48:58 <coppercore> check abandonware sites 03:49:02 <coppercore> they have TTD 03:50:37 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B823F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:56:23 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:00:49 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B823F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:01:20 *** Spacks [n=chatzill@CPE-138-130-237-185.qld.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 04:47:48 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:59:06 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 04:59:06 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 04:59:09 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn12-72.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 04:59:16 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B823F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:06:35 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm230.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:27:31 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36081.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:55:25 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 05:55:55 <Alltaken> hi guys 05:57:24 <ThePizzaKing> Alltaken! 05:57:43 <ThePizzaKing> how's your break going? 06:00:10 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3FDD3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:00:14 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3DA3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 06:00:18 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 06:03:40 <Alltaken> my break is over 06:03:45 <Alltaken> back into university 06:03:56 <Alltaken> got a full year of designing a fridge to go 06:04:14 <ThePizzaKing> that sounds fun 06:04:34 * BurtyB advises internal size thats a multiple of the size of a beer can 06:07:08 <Alltaken> BurtyB: and wine bottles 06:07:10 <Alltaken> ;) 06:07:58 <BurtyB> indeed :) 06:19:50 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:20:40 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 06:25:05 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit [Connection timed out] 06:26:11 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has joined #openttd 06:35:28 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36081.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:40:14 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:41:00 *** DjViper- [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has joined #Openttd 06:42:32 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Reason: My sister broke the router"] 06:42:40 *** DjViper [i=djviper@mishima-empire.h-nett.no] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:42:42 *** DjViper- is now known as DjViper 06:47:51 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:09:18 <peter1138> hmm 07:16:34 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:17:46 <Tron> ((6 - (_m[t].m5 >> 4 & 2) - (_m[t].m5 & 1)) % 4) 07:17:50 <Tron> what does this line do? 07:18:04 <Tron> hint: it operates on bridge ramp tiles 07:18:45 <BurtyB> causes headaches? 07:22:59 *** Aankhen`` [n=pockled@203.101.10.122] has joined #openttd 07:27:15 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:32:02 <Prof_Frink> custombridgeheads? 07:34:17 <Tron> no, not in any way related 07:36:27 <Prof_Frink> bleh. 07:36:34 <Prof_Frink> make custombridgeheads! 07:38:40 <peter1138> i'm guessing it gets which end it is, and the direction 07:39:56 <Tron> very close, it converts the N/S X/Y encoding of bridge ramps to a DiagDirection 07:40:39 <peter1138> ahh. obvious o_O 07:42:16 <Tron> is "obvious" a synonym for "totally uncomprehensible"? 07:42:29 <peter1138> yes 07:44:12 <Tron> +/** 07:44:12 <Tron> + * Get the direction pointing onto the bridge 07:44:12 <Tron> + */ 07:44:12 <Tron> +static inline DiagDirection GetBridgeRampDirection(TileIndex t) 07:44:12 <Tron> +{ 07:44:15 <Tron> + /* Heavy wizardy to convert the X/Y (bit 0) + N/S (bit 5) encoding of bridges 07:44:17 <Tron> + * to a DiagDirection 07:44:19 <Tron> + */ 07:44:21 <Tron> + return (DiagDirection)((6 - (_m[t].m5 >> 4 & 2) - (_m[t].m5 & 1)) % 4); 07:44:23 <Tron> +} 07:44:57 <peter1138> *nod* 07:45:19 <SpComb> that looks very interesting 07:47:59 <Fujitsu> Ahem. 07:48:04 <Fujitsu> Spelling. 07:48:14 <Fujitsu> wizardy != wizardry. 07:50:30 <Tron> thanks, typo 07:52:55 <SpComb> _m looks like a interesting va 07:56:00 <peter1138> heehee 08:08:22 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit ["brb, trying new router"] 08:08:43 *** Alltaken [n=chatzill@blender/artist/allTaken] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 08:12:04 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 08:16:19 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:16:27 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 08:18:42 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 08:32:38 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:39:21 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca266.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:39:24 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:41:59 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:42:13 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 08:46:30 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 08:46:44 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 08:52:04 *** Xeryus|bed is now known as XeryusTC 08:57:57 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-25.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 08:59:35 *** dev|ant [i=dev@ppp79-147.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:03:46 *** mouse [n=mouse@213.232.194.242] has quit ["ðÏËÉÄÁÀ"] 09:04:05 *** stefan [n=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:04:19 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 09:20:33 <CIA-5> peter1138 * r3809 /trunk/openttd.vcproj: - Add map accessor files to MS VS 2003 project file 09:25:43 <CIA-5> rubidium * r3810 /branch/tfc_newmap/industry_cmd.c: [tfc_newmap] - Fix typo in rev 3808 09:30:44 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|school 09:42:42 <Noldo> Belugas: How are the accessors coming together? 09:47:00 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:53 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:59:54 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:01:58 <CIA-5> bjarni * r3811 /trunk/vehicle.c: -Fix: [autoreplace]: (FS#67) autoreplacing trains now keep their tile length instead of their pixel length 10:02:14 <Kjetil> Bjarni: is busy... 10:03:07 *** Dr_Jekyll` [i=dr_jekyl@p549F7D9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openTTD 10:03:14 <Qball> I think he is facking commit messages 10:03:42 <Bjarni> huh 10:03:54 <Qball> that wakes him up :D 10:04:13 <Bjarni> I actually commit a fix for the bug report I got yesterday 10:07:40 <Kjetil> In soviet russia commit messages fackes Bjarni 10:08:27 <Bjarni> fucking bobingabout 10:08:39 <Bjarni> he made two feature requests in one task 10:08:40 <Eddi|zuHause> WARNING: "soviet russia" may be a NULL pointer. 10:08:53 <Bjarni> which means I can't close it even though I fixed one 10:08:55 <Bjarni> well 10:09:03 <Bjarni> one feature request and one bug report 10:09:27 <Bjarni> so I wrote 50% done :) 10:10:04 <Eddi|zuHause> the easier 50% ;) 10:11:29 <Kjetil> Bjarni: close it and write something liek "Facking features does not belong here 10:12:30 <Bjarni> Kjetil: actually I just came to the same conclusion ;) 10:12:39 <Kjetil> :) 10:20:28 *** Dr_Jekyll [i=dr_jekyl@p549F5496.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:21:26 *** Cheery_ [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:22:26 *** coppert0p [n=copperto@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 10:22:31 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:22:44 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:22:48 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:22:48 *** coppertop [n=copperto@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:26:48 *** init [n=init@dhcp-221-85.pdc.kth.se] has joined #openttd 10:51:54 *** alastair [n=agh@220-244-72-6.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:52:36 *** _Red is now known as Red 11:15:31 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 11:23:26 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Bye all."] 11:27:58 <CIA-5> tron * r3812 /trunk/road_cmd.c: Remove a pointless goto 11:30:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you have gotos? 11:30:48 <Qball> they have ton's of goto's 11:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause> eew 11:37:40 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B36081.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:40:41 *** Zr40_ [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 11:41:03 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:42:28 *** Dr_Jekyll` [i=dr_jekyl@p549F7D9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?"] 11:43:36 <peter1138> eah 11:43:44 <peter1138> but we're running out of apostrophes 11:44:19 * peter1138 notes that switch labels look remarkably like goto labels... 11:50:12 *** dev|ant [i=dev@ppp79-147.lns1.mel3.internode.on.net] has quit [] 11:51:41 *** mouse [n=mouse@213.232.194.242] has joined #openttd 11:51:45 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:51:59 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 11:56:35 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 12:16:15 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 12:16:21 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:17:36 <Celestar> Qball: well tons 12:17:42 <Celestar> we've reduced them quite a bit 12:17:48 <Celestar> Tron: ping 12:18:38 <Celestar> want me to dump elrails into trunk or use some branch 12:19:21 <Celestar> vici@galadriel:[/home/vici/openttd/trunk]> grep goto *.[ch] | wc -l 12:19:22 <Celestar> 183 12:19:23 <Celestar> :P 12:19:39 <ln-> trunk is fine 12:19:43 <MrRexxie> I dont suppose there is a command to generate a screenshot of the minimap? 12:19:45 <Celestar> 20 of which are the LZO library. 12:20:01 <Celestar> MrRexxie: use $YOUR_WINDOW_MANAGERS_SCREENSHOT_UTILITY 12:20:13 <Celestar> :P 12:20:28 <Prof_Frink> or poinjt a camra at your screen 12:20:42 <MrRexxie> dont have a large enough screen to cover the entire map ;) 12:20:48 <Celestar> oh 12:21:01 <MrRexxie> + I'm trying to create a server information tool to do this automaticly 12:21:06 <Prof_Frink> Take many, GIMP them together 12:21:43 <Celestar> I wish C had labelled breaks 12:23:24 <Prof_Frink> "Lunch Break" "Tea Break"... 12:25:49 <Qball> who rang? 12:26:34 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 12:26:34 <Celestar> me 12:26:38 <Celestar> about the "tons of" 12:26:48 <Qball> yes.. ton's of goto's 12:27:09 <Prof_Frink> s/'//g 12:27:51 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:30:01 <ln-> i bet the gotos are like they were in TTD, so you cannot remove them. 12:30:48 <hylje> someday someone should fork a nonlegacy branch 12:31:19 <Qball> why? 12:32:02 <hylje> rewrite 12:33:35 <Qball> why 12:35:11 <ln-> hylje: i agree, but such a project would hardly have anything to do with OpenTTD anymore then. 12:35:27 <ln-> it would be a completely different project. 12:49:32 <peter1138> "tons of gotos" 12:51:38 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23892 12:51:41 <peter1138> "argh" 12:57:31 * Qball is listening to Little Willies, The - I Gotta Get Drunk 12:57:46 <CIA-5> tron * r3813 /trunk/water_cmd.c: Simplify strange control flow 13:04:54 <ln-> some divisions by two in the code are done like "expression / 2;". perhaps those should be changed? 13:05:18 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 13:05:48 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176116248.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:06:14 <Noldo> ln-: to what? 13:06:36 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:07:22 <ln-> Noldo: to ">> 1", which is also used in the code a lot. 13:07:40 <ln-> "expression >> 1;" that is 13:08:36 <Noldo> and why? 13:08:36 <Eddi|zuHause> any pseudo-intelligent compiler should do that automatically 13:09:15 <ln-> Noldo: why not? 13:09:28 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: i know that. that was not my point. 13:09:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i find "/2" more comprehensible 13:09:43 <ln-> Eddi|zuHause: me too. that was not my point. 13:09:51 <Noldo> ln-: what is your point? 13:09:56 <Eddi|zuHause> so, what was your point? 13:10:35 <ln-> "expression >> 1;" is used a lot, why not be consistent. 13:10:48 <ln-> (and make those people happy who think that's a significant speed optimization) 13:11:01 <ln-> i.e. most of the devs. 13:12:19 <Noldo> blabla 13:12:49 *** mouse [n=mouse@213.232.194.242] has quit ["ðÏËÉÄÁÀ"] 13:13:39 <ln-> "blabla" is not a valid argument. 13:13:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it surely is ;) 13:14:45 <ln-> perhaps someone would like to explain the reasons behind the amount of ">> 1" currently used? 13:15:41 <peter1138> there's no speed difference 13:15:46 <peter1138> however 13:15:54 <peter1138> "/ 2" clearly means divide by 2 13:16:00 <peter1138> and ">> 1" clearly means shift right 1 bit 13:16:17 <ln-> which happens to be the same as dividing by 2 13:16:22 <peter1138> so? 13:16:53 <peter1138> if you want bits 4-7 of a byte, >> 4 is better than / 16 13:17:04 <peter1138> (except we use GB(var, 4, 4) for that) 13:17:14 <ln-> so when you want to find the middle x coordinate of the screen, you just take the screen width and shift it 1 bit right. ok. 13:17:22 <ln-> that's what happens in the code. 13:17:46 <ln-> of course it's way more logical to shift the width than e.g. divide it by two. 13:17:59 <peter1138> see 13:18:10 <peter1138> it will probably be changed 13:18:17 <peter1138> but there's only so much time in the day 13:18:30 <peter1138> and there are other things to be done 13:18:31 <ln-> peter1138: i'm not arguing against using shifting when you are really operating with bits. 13:18:58 <peter1138> you know the origin of ottd, right? 13:19:05 <ln-> of course. 13:19:11 <peter1138> that's why 13:19:11 <Noldo> ln-: the blabla was aimed at your frustrating habbit of saying you support something completely different than you really support 13:19:36 <ln-> Noldo: that's called sarcasm. 13:20:37 <Noldo> ln-: what ever you call it, I see it only as a way to obfuscate your real goal, which I first have to decipher 13:20:37 <peter1138> hmm 13:20:39 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 30054 2005-08-15 17:43 custombridgeheads12.diff 13:20:44 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 peter peter 13169 2006-03-10 13:22 custombridgeheads19.diff 13:20:46 <peter1138> bit smaller 13:20:54 <Noldo> ln-: oposed to being able to just start talking about the real issue 13:21:16 <ln-> Noldo: no anteeksi että lisäksi hämäsin puhumalla asiasta englanniksi. 13:21:49 <peter1138> yay, custom bridge heads :D 13:21:51 <ln-> Noldo: talking about the real issue doesn't catch anyone's attention. 13:27:44 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 13:29:50 <TrueLight> peter1138: you just compressed it 13:32:39 <peter1138> hehe 13:32:43 <peter1138> didn't :) 13:32:50 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/snake.png 13:33:20 <Qball> nice 13:33:34 <tokai|noir> looks dangerous:) 13:33:35 <SpComb> OpenTTD uses goto? 13:33:51 <Qball> SpComb: YES! 13:34:00 <peter1138> tokai|noir: brakes? who needs brakes? :) 13:34:37 <SpComb> WHEEE!! 13:34:56 <Qball> open roalercoaster tycoon? 13:35:00 <tokai|noir> if a goto is properly used it can be good solution for some stuff 13:35:12 <SpComb> *cough* 13:35:35 <tokai|noir> but more than on goto per function is ugly 13:35:45 <SpComb> more than 0 gotos is ugly! 13:36:08 <TrueLight> it has to do with the asm->C process 13:36:32 <tokai|noir> SpComb: i saw code there it seriously made sense to have a goto: for quickly bailing out of if-cascades 13:36:56 <SpComb> hrh, if cascades 13:36:59 <peter1138> better to rework the if-cascade... 13:37:02 <SpComb> in changed code it might be better 13:37:05 <SpComb> but not in new code 13:37:18 <TrueLight> goto should be avoid at all costs ;) 13:37:49 <peter1138> o_O 13:37:52 <peter1138> in pathfind.c 13:38:03 <peter1138> there's a goto that jumps to *inside* a do/while loop 13:38:09 <tokai|noir> i personlay never was in need for a goto, except back then when i started to code using basic:) 13:38:16 <TrueLight> peter1138: don't be supprised, there are much uglier gotos :) 13:38:52 <SpComb> a goto that jumps inside a function! 13:39:54 <tokai|noir> a goto which jumps outside of the program! :) 13:40:29 *** Xeryus|school is now known as XeryusTC 13:41:36 <SpComb> goto NULL; 13:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> a goto that jumps to itself ;) 13:43:13 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause: rather use for (;;) { } 13:43:59 <tokai|noir> whats wrong with while(TRUE) { } ? :) 13:44:07 <TrueLight> a test 13:44:36 <tokai|noir> TrueLight: todays compiler should optimize it i think 13:44:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that's worth a contest... the most obscure do_nothing_loop ;) 13:44:58 <TrueLight> tokai: testing that right now 13:44:58 <tokai|noir> would need to compare the asm output 13:45:31 <TrueLight> tokai: okay, it is the same :) 13:46:25 <tokai|noir> thought so:) 13:46:37 <TrueLight> tokai|noir: always need to confirm something like that :) 13:46:41 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, would be fun :) 13:46:45 <TrueLight> I will use the windows source 13:46:45 <TrueLight> :p 13:46:57 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah ;) 13:47:00 <TrueLight> 600 mb of binaries, and it still doesn't do anything 13:47:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you ever looked at the "secret windows <insert version here> source code" ;) 13:48:03 <TrueLight> yeah 13:48:23 <TrueLight> http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/source.php 13:48:45 <TrueLight> #include "billrulz.h" 13:48:45 <TrueLight> #include "monopoly.h" 13:48:45 <TrueLight> #include "backdoor.h" 13:48:48 <TrueLight> just lovely ;) 13:49:08 <TrueLight> Someone was really pissed at Windows, and was using OS2 before :p 13:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause> it is fun every time ;) 13:49:47 <TrueLight> :) Yup! 13:49:49 <tokai|noir> windows source doesnt compile:) 13:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause> make_futile_attempt_to_damage_Linux(); <- i never noticed that line before ;) 13:50:26 <SpComb> how many warnings does compiling the windows source make? 13:50:34 <TrueLight> Eddi|zuHause: this isn't the original, it is modified 13:50:37 <TrueLight> (I noticed that too) 13:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i saw several different versions of it before 13:51:15 <hylje> someone at MS said that compiling windows takes several days 13:51:27 <tokai|noir> adding chars to make a program look bigger (or rather get a certain binary size after linking) is fun actually:) 13:51:57 <TrueLight> hylje: on a 486, most likely 13:52:17 <TrueLight> hylje: it already takes several minutes to compile OpenTTD on a 100 MHz 13:52:40 <tokai|noir> compiling a proper linux distro on 1GHz takes almost a week too :) 13:53:01 <Prof_Frink> Silly Gentoo peoples 13:53:21 <tokai|noir> well.. in the end it didnt worked properly and was segfaulting all the time 13:53:26 <hylje> been installing a new gentoo from scratch 13:53:28 <hylje> :-) 13:53:45 <hylje> on a P3 933 13:53:47 <TrueLight> I do tha tlal the time :p Gentoo rulez ;) 13:53:49 * tokai|noir blames broken gcc 13:53:51 <TrueLight> Just KDE is a bitch 13:54:07 <hylje> actually 13:54:19 * Prof_Frink fires the ubuntu-ray 13:54:31 <hylje> i should go and fix the kernel for the raid controller 13:54:51 <hylje> i even have the exact details what i should do 13:54:53 <hylje> :X 14:00:04 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7ED63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:27 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:07:34 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 14:07:37 *** Zerot [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:16 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:08:46 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:55 *** tank [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 14:10:59 *** tank__ [i=tank@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #openttd 14:13:17 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:14:23 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm230.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [":o"] 14:27:26 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:36:19 *** tokai|mdlx [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:37:03 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:40:11 *** mouse [n=mouse@213.232.194.242] has joined #openttd 14:49:18 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:49:29 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:50:25 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 14:55:08 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:01:16 *** gass [n=any@81.84.150.171] has joined #openttd 15:03:24 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 15:04:39 *** kujeger_work [n=kujeger@pc-99-88.p52.hio.no] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:15:34 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACBD4B0C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 15:20:58 <Celestar> what about >> 1? 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(i didn't even remember that i had finished it when i commented about that bug yesterday) 19:51:15 <Bjarni> I researched a lot about this issue, but I never manage to get the wide utf-8 to work right 19:52:05 <Bjarni> damn, that bug report is one year old by now 19:52:15 <Bjarni> 1 year and 5 days 19:52:18 <ln-> i've never heard about wide utf-8, but still my patch works as expected. 19:53:22 <Bjarni> can you bring that patch up to date, so I can apply it to the newest trunk? 19:53:52 <Bjarni> odds are that nothing/very little changed regarding opening filenames ;) 19:53:53 <ln-> actually, i just made some final adjustments to it before pinging you. 19:54:46 <Tron> <ln-> which happens to be the same as dividing by 2 <-- this is not always true 19:54:51 <ln-> it fixes the same issue for Linux, too. non-utf-8 filenames on a utf-8 system cause problems in the openttd directory, e.g. "svn up" doesn't work if you have such files in the dir. 19:55:03 <Tron> <ln-> i.e. most of the devs. <-- any proofs for that claim? 19:56:26 <ln-> Tron: of course not, besides the fact that bitshifting is used a lot in the code, and it hasn't been removed during these years. 19:56:40 <Bjarni> ln-: it's dangerous to say what the developers want without asking them ;) 19:57:12 <ln-> Bjarni: check this out: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/save-filenames-in-utf8.diff 19:57:19 <Tron> as i just stated shifting is not always the same as dividing by a power of two 19:57:34 <Tron> so every shift has to be examined if it's safe to change it 19:57:41 <Tron> that's very tedious 19:57:50 <Tron> there are more important things to do 19:59:11 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B78849.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 19:59:30 <ln-> such as applying the patch above... it adds a new dependency -- libiconv. 20:00:42 <ln-> if that's terribly bad, something can be commented out with #ifndef WIN32. 20:01:03 <Tron> WIN32? i thought it's a OSX issue 20:02:06 <ln-> #ifNOTdef WIN32. i meant commenting out iconv-related code in case it's never needed in windows. 20:02:31 <Tron> !OSX != WIN32 20:03:06 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7ED63.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:03:42 <Bjarni> +ifdef OSX 20:03:42 <Bjarni> +LIBS += -liconv 20:03:42 <Bjarni> +endif 20:03:49 <Bjarni> that's dynamic linking, right? 20:03:59 <Tron> not necessarily 20:04:20 <Tron> it just adds the library "iconv" 20:04:39 <Tron> that alone doesn't specify the linking method 20:04:57 <ln-> that's probably dynamic linking, but i'm quite sure libiconv is included in default OS X installation. 20:06:03 <ln-> Tron: my patch fixes the same utf-8 issue on linux, too. 20:06:11 <ln-> well, not same, but similar. 20:10:13 <ln-> the big question is, does visual c++ have iconv()? 20:13:58 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:14:00 <MeusH> hi 20:14:05 <Bjarni> hi MeusH 20:14:18 <Bjarni> ln-: you ended up with the same issue as I used to have 20:14:18 <MeusH> MiHaMiX: is something to do on the wiki? 20:14:22 <MeusH> hey Bjarni 20:15:28 <Bjarni> try to switch OTTD to German and start a new game (or reverse the order if you don't know German that well). FF to March (Mär) and save. It's saved aright, but then try to load it 20:15:35 <Bjarni> it will not say Mär anymore 20:17:49 <Bjarni> it says "Unbenannt, 5.Maì?r 1950" 20:18:00 <Bjarni> now that's not right 20:18:15 <Bjarni> clicking loads the right game though, so it's a display bug 20:18:42 <ln-> i know it shows the names wrong, but does that really matter so much? 20:18:54 <Bjarni> hmm 20:19:03 <Bjarni> not to me, but it sure did to Darkvater 20:19:23 <ln-> we are talking about moving from situation "cannot save a game nor screenshot at all" to "can save, but names show wrong". 20:19:47 <ln-> Bjarni: does Darkvater have a Macintosh? 20:20:01 <Bjarni> no 20:20:07 <Bjarni> I think he wants one though 20:20:31 <ln-> names showing wrong is a minor issue, in my opinion. 20:21:17 <Bjarni> given the time since the bug report was opened, it's not likely that anybody will show up with a fix for the display thing tomorrow 20:21:24 <ln-> i think it's a lot bigger problem that (on linux), if you save a screenshot with non-utf-8 filename, YOU CANNOT do "svn up" ANYMORE in that dir. 20:22:11 <ln-> Bjarni: so you prefer the situation of not being able to save a game at all? 20:24:18 <Bjarni> no 20:24:36 <Bjarni> I'm looking at convert_to_fs_charset 20:25:33 <Bjarni> well, there is a bit of a problem 20:25:42 <Bjarni> what will happen on windows 20:25:52 <ln-> the file dialog would need to do the reverse conversion, and still remember what is the physical filename that will really be opened. this may be easy or non-easy, i haven't looked at the file dialog code. 20:25:54 <Bjarni> or any other platform not reading unix.c 20:26:37 <Bjarni> they just see extern convert_to_fs_charset, but they don't get it in any other c file 20:26:49 <ln-> good question. probably the easiest thing to do would be to #define convert_to_fs_charset(x) x on those platforms. 20:28:26 <Bjarni> hmm 20:28:42 <Bjarni> somebody talked about making internal unicode support 20:28:50 <Bjarni> who was that? 20:28:56 <Bjarni> and I don't mean Pipian 20:29:07 <Bjarni> peter1138: did you talk about unicode? 20:29:57 <ln-> considering the speed at which big changes are adapted to the code, do you think this internal unicode support would be ready during this decade? 20:31:19 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:22 <Bjarni> that's not what I want to hear (but yes, it will be done before 2010) 20:32:51 <Bjarni> I wanted to hear if it adds new files. Files that we could use now for that function 20:33:19 <Bjarni> on the other hand 20:33:22 <Bjarni> it's a small thing 20:33:41 <Bjarni> maybe one of the mess files (misc) should take care of this 20:42:09 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host81-156-99-208.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:42:11 <AlexFili> hi folks 20:42:18 <guru3> hellloooooo 20:42:22 <AlexFili> hows it going? 20:42:32 <guru3> not too bad 20:42:47 <C-Otto> not good, trains are breaking down :> 20:43:01 <C-Otto> btw, i am going by train in real life in a few minutes 20:43:01 <AlexFili> not good here either, seems TTD for DS is impossible 20:43:01 <C-Otto> ... 20:43:09 <C-Otto> what is DS? 20:43:14 <C-Otto> that nintendo thing? 20:43:15 <AlexFili> double screen, nintendo console 20:43:24 <C-Otto> slow cpu i guess? 20:43:26 <AlexFili> no 20:43:29 <AlexFili> not enough ram :( 20:43:36 <C-Otto> well, compress the data 20:43:40 <guru3> how much is there on the ds? 20:43:40 <C-Otto> no problem with a fast cpu :> 20:43:44 <AlexFili> C-Otto thats just the problem 20:43:45 <AlexFili> i dont know how 20:43:49 <AlexFili> guru3 only 4mb 20:43:52 <guru3> hmm yes 20:43:52 <C-Otto> "unsigned long long compressed i" 20:43:55 <guru3> you can't use swap? 20:43:58 <MeusH> how about a swapfile for DS? 20:44:03 <AlexFili> i dont know :s 20:44:14 <AlexFili> no offence, but im a noob 20:44:29 <guru3> ottd on ds would be cool tho 20:44:33 <AlexFili> i figured out how to compile my source for windows, but thats about it 20:44:34 <AlexFili> guru3 i know :( 20:44:37 <MeusH> thing that can boost up the RAM somehow 20:44:48 <AlexFili> hmmm 20:44:50 <MeusH> part of the HDD is being changed into RAM 20:44:53 <AlexFili> MeusH im not sure that exists 20:44:59 <AlexFili> ds doesnt have HDD 20:45:02 <MeusH> my pagefile.sys in windows is 1GB 20:45:08 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> no offence, but im a noob <-- oh, you learned some stuff since last time 20:45:14 <AlexFili> Bjarni well 20:45:16 <MeusH> AlexFili: everything can be tweaked :) 20:45:19 <AlexFili> i learned that TTD is impossible on DS 20:45:23 <AlexFili> supposedly 20:45:44 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498CE35.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:45:53 <Bjarni> actually that's not really what I meant when I told you that you needs to learn stuff to reach n00b level 20:46:02 <AlexFili> um lol 20:46:07 <AlexFili> well, i compiled the ttd source for windows 20:46:11 <AlexFili> if that makes me a n00b 20:46:43 <AlexFili> Bjarni, can i ask something? 20:46:48 <AlexFili> who decided to make it for psp and not ds? 20:46:58 <Qball> I don't know if you can 20:47:04 <Qball> sometimes I doubt it 20:47:05 <Bjarni> ... 20:47:23 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F004.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:31 <BurtyB> well its "impossible" to do for DS so thats probably why :P 20:47:32 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> who decided to make it for psp and not ds? <-- well, somebody with a PSP decided to try to port it 20:47:43 <AlexFili> :S 20:47:48 <AlexFili> but i thought openttd ported it 20:47:55 <Bjarni> not officially 20:48:11 <Bjarni> I didn't have anything to do with it 20:48:15 <AlexFili> oh ok 20:48:37 <Qball> Bjarni: you are now openttd? 20:48:46 <Bjarni> it appears so 20:48:55 <Qball> congratz 20:48:56 <Vornicus> No! I am OpenTTD! And so is my wife! 20:48:58 <Bjarni> that's what the n00b wannabe tells me 20:49:06 <AlexFili> :o 20:49:14 <AlexFili> well, i dont know anyone else in openttd 20:49:20 <AlexFili> and since your the only op whos speaking... 20:49:24 <Qball> poor Bjarni 20:49:44 <coppercore> so Vornicus plays his wife all the time? 20:49:53 <Qball> op's doesn't make somebody king (dictator in Bjarni's case, but that's not the point here) 20:49:58 <Bjarni> <AlexFili> and since your the only op whos speaking... <-- everybody else were clever enough to hide 20:50:05 <AlexFili> :) 20:50:07 <AlexFili> i like u :p 20:50:26 <Bjarni> coppercore: good question.... Vornicus you better answer that one 20:50:33 <Qball> well in dutch we would say "Je hebt een plaat voor je kop" 20:50:41 <Qball> in your case titanium 20:51:03 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!n=AlexFili@*.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] by Bjarni 20:51:09 * Bjarni wonders if AlexFili still likes him 20:51:16 <coppercore> pwned 20:51:24 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!AlexFili@*.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] by Bjarni 20:51:48 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-142-230.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:52:48 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!n=AlexFili@*.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] by Bjarni 20:52:48 <AlexFili> thanks 20:53:02 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-08627.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:53:06 <Bjarni> once again I managed to fuck up the unban command :p 20:53:08 <AlexFili> lol 20:53:09 * Vornicus actually has no wife. 20:53:18 <coppercore> girlfriend then? 20:53:27 <AlexFili> nearest girl? :P 20:53:44 <Qball> in Vornicus case it's an imaginary gf 20:53:45 <Bjarni> girl? 20:53:51 <Bjarni> that's a jpg thing, right? 20:53:58 <Bjarni> at least in Vornicus' world 20:53:58 <coppercore> Rosy Palm? 20:54:02 <Qball> http://www.impactlab.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7567 20:54:53 <AlexFili> oh well 20:54:59 <AlexFili> thats all i wanted to tell you guys 20:55:01 <AlexFili> see you on openttd 20:55:05 *** AlexFili [n=AlexFili@host81-156-99-208.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20:55:10 <Qball> lol. 20:55:13 <coppercore> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835110013 20:55:14 <coppercore> rofl 20:55:30 <Qball> that guy is realy funny 20:55:50 <Bjarni> yeah 20:56:06 <Bjarni> we all knew that he could not port to some hardware with 20:56:12 <Bjarni> 1: a way too small screen 20:56:15 <Bjarni> 2: 4 mb RAM 20:56:22 <Bjarni> 3: 67 MHz CPU 20:56:26 <Qball> he coudln't even port it to a pc if you asked him. 20:56:26 <Diablo-D3> what are we talking about? 20:56:51 <Bjarni> Diablo-D3: AlexFili wanted to port OpenTTD to a Nitendo DS 20:56:54 <Vornicus> how much space does ottd take up per tile? 20:56:58 <Bjarni> he finally gave up 20:57:06 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: well duh 20:57:16 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: thats fucking retarded out of pure obviousness 20:57:17 <Vornicus> --and, at that, how much does it take up for the images and so forth? 20:57:27 <Diablo-D3> Vornicus: atleast 16 megs for the images 20:57:29 <Diablo-D3> however 20:57:33 <Diablo-D3> thats static data 20:57:37 <Diablo-D3> and the DS mmaps the cart. 20:58:26 <Vornicus> yeah, I'm more concerned about the per-tile data. the image stuff I know you can pull off as mmapping. 20:58:28 <Diablo-D3> thats the greatest part about carts 20:58:31 <Diablo-D3> you can mmap them 20:58:43 <Diablo-D3> Vornicus: who knows 20:58:53 <Diablo-D3> Vornicus: but 4 megs obviously isnt enough to do fucking squat 20:58:57 *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight 20:59:02 <Vornicus> it sure isn't much, I know that. 20:59:04 <Diablo-D3> actually, no, you can do amazing shit in 4 megs 20:59:13 <Diablo-D3> wing commander 2! 20:59:16 <Diablo-D3> yar! 20:59:16 <Vornicus> but I don't know how much not much it is. 20:59:51 <Vornicus> so that's my question: how much space does one tile worth of data take up? 21:00:25 <Bjarni> ahh, now I refound the link 21:00:25 <Bjarni> http://www.qdb.us/56571 21:00:41 *** ^Cartman [n=Eric_Car@83.108.153.1] has joined #openttd 21:01:12 <Bjarni> the guy got hold of SDL for DS (I wonder how) and after a few hours, he started to wonder about the include dir 21:01:20 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-6401.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:01:26 <Vornicus> madness 21:01:30 <Bjarni> he had ignored it so far, but all of a sudden he realised that he should use it 21:01:43 <Bjarni> he didn't realise how though 21:02:52 * Vornicus personally doesn't understand the organization of most stuff like that, just kinda has to go with it. 21:03:27 <Bjarni> a lot of people don't understand, but then again most people don't try to port stuff and crosscompile 21:03:47 <Bjarni> you should not try to port and crosscompile if you don't know what to do with an include dir 21:04:11 <Bjarni> if you are just a gamer, you don't have to care. Some people have already done it for you 21:04:58 * Vornicus is slowly learning this stuff. needs to figure out how to talk to stuff in mac bundles from the application therein, but... 21:05:36 <Bjarni> heh 21:05:43 <Bjarni> that's not as hard as you might think 21:05:55 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: what the fuck 21:06:08 <Diablo-D3> DUR HURRRR WHAT IS THIS INCLUDE DIR 21:06:22 <Vornicus> yeah, I just can't think lately, and I'm trying to do it without going through too many modifications to the actual source code. 21:06:28 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: people piss me off 21:06:37 <Diablo-D3> I want to fucking beat them senseless 21:06:42 <Kjetil> So.. You piss yourself of ey ? 21:06:53 <Diablo-D3> Kjetil: dont make me hurt you. 21:06:59 <Kjetil> Bring it on 21:07:04 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: I say we sue him 21:07:06 <Bjarni> Diablo-D3: yeah, you think you have seen the stupidest person ever and then the internet can always manage to find somebody even stupider 21:07:18 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: for not releasing the source of his non-working DS port 21:07:29 <Bjarni> yeah 21:07:33 <Bjarni> that would be fun 21:07:56 * Kjetil doesn't think it a coinsidence that Internet and Idiot begin with the same letter 21:08:09 <Vornicus> and end with the same letter. 21:08:16 <Kjetil> Scary 21:08:22 <Vornicus> I thought so. 21:08:23 <Diablo-D3> Kjetil: idiot networking terminal ... something something something 21:08:23 <Kjetil> Ze polt thickens 21:08:27 <Bjarni> "you claimed to us that you ported our software and then you didn't tell us how you did it. We really want to know even though your result was that it's impossible" 21:08:31 * Diablo-D3 cant remember the whole thing 21:08:41 <Bjarni> for that we will have that you give us £500.000 21:08:54 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: mwahahah, I'm evil =P 21:09:15 <Bjarni> we all know that 21:09:20 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: have you ever seen a 14 year old shit his pants? you will now. 21:09:22 <Bjarni> Diablo is evil 21:09:58 <Bjarni> heck, even Blizzard knows that 21:10:08 <Kjetil> haha 21:10:21 <Bjarni> <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: have you ever seen a 14 year old shit his pants? you will now. <-- I bet you want to see that, you sick freak 21:10:33 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: I didnt mean literally. 21:10:39 <Bjarni> :p 21:11:08 <Diablo-D3> well, actually, if you scare him bad enough, it might be literally 21:11:13 <Diablo-D3> imagine when his parents find out 21:11:22 <Diablo-D3> they'll kill him 21:11:32 <Diablo-D3> he'll be grounded until hes old enough to collect social security 21:12:30 <Diablo-D3> Bjarni: btw, I want 10% of the proceeds because it was my idea =P 21:12:50 <Diablo-D3> the rest I "donate" to openttd =P 21:14:08 *** tank__ is now known as tank 21:16:49 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:26 *** Zr40_ [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:18:27 <Bjarni> Eurostar drivers who operate trains between London, Paris and Brussels are trained to speak French and English so they can converse with controllers and other railway staff on both sides of the Channel Tunnel. An English driver, speeding across northern France one day, spotted a large stag wandering dangerously close to the line. Not knowing the French word for stag, he told the French control office, in his limited French, that 21:18:27 <Bjarni> what he had seen was "a cow with a pantograph". 21:18:42 <Bjarni> it's not the story I was looking for, but it's ok anyway :) 21:19:06 <coppercore> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835110013 21:19:07 <hylje> orly airport 21:19:12 <Bjarni> they are telling this story at the Eurostar repair facility 21:20:04 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:20:18 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 21:20:23 *** stefan is now known as stefan__ 21:21:27 <ln-> "in his limited French, that" ... and? 21:22:15 <Bjarni> read the next line 21:22:34 <Bjarni> IRC changed it into two lines for some reason 21:22:39 <Bjarni> most likely overflow 21:22:48 <hylje> :-) 21:22:48 <Bjarni> you didn't get the 2nd part? 21:22:56 <Bjarni> <Bjarni> what he had seen was "a cow with a pantograph". 21:23:01 <Bjarni> well, I did 21:23:06 <hylje> ircds dont like irc messages too long 21:23:17 <ln-> "that what" didn't sound like an obvious pattern so i thought something was missing in between 21:23:38 <Bjarni> hmm 21:23:40 <Bjarni> checking 21:24:05 <MeusH> KVIrc splitted it into 2 messages 21:24:25 <Bjarni> it is printed correctly 21:24:33 <Bjarni> http://www.railway-technical.com/stories.html#Stop-for-Nothing 21:24:36 <Bjarni> that's another good one 21:24:37 <MeusH> cya 21:24:39 <Bjarni> people are crazy 21:24:51 *** MeusH [n=MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["Cya layer"] 21:25:06 <hylje> oh really? 21:30:53 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:31:34 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit ["En KLAP.. de klaptop is dicht..."] 21:42:13 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@cl-1124.ams-04.nl.sixxs.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:42:38 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B78849.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:43:27 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:47:39 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:48:27 <Belugas_Gone> Good weekend guys. 21:48:44 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:49:12 <hylje> no 21:50:22 <CIA-5> belugas * r3815 /branch/tfc_newmap/ (road_cmd.c tunnelbridge_cmd.c vehicle.c): [tfc_newmap] -synch to trunk r3811 to r3814 21:54:34 <coppercore> hey 21:59:42 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:01:15 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F004.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 22:03:12 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has joined #openttd 22:04:46 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:07:10 <Vornicus> Bjarni, stupid question that I can't seem to find the answer to. What's the working directory for OSX app bundles? 22:07:22 <PAStheLoD> hi all 22:10:46 <egladil> Vornicus: / 22:11:07 <Vornicus> ...you have to be joking, right? 22:11:22 <egladil> nope. not when launched from finder/dock 22:12:05 <Vornicus> ...then how on earth am I supposed to find things in the same directory as the app? 22:12:19 <hylje> ls 22:12:54 <Vornicus> or, god forbid, use libstdc file commands instead of the mac-specific stuff? 22:13:13 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 22:16:16 * Vornicus swears profusely. 22:18:21 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498F004.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:18:37 *** tk|tv is now known as tokai 22:21:41 <Bjarni> <Vornicus> Bjarni, stupid question that I can't seem to find the answer to. What's the working directory for OSX app bundles? <--- it's the dir you are in when you doubleclick the app 22:21:53 <Bjarni> which means the same dir as the bundle 22:22:00 <Bjarni> *bundle root 22:22:22 <Bjarni> so if you have file.a and game.app in the same dir, file.a is in the working dir 22:22:45 <Vornicus> Okay, so if I've got /Applications/Games/OpenTTD/OpenTTD.app ..., the working dir is /Applications/Games/OpenTTD/ ? 22:23:12 <Bjarni> yes 22:23:32 <Vornicus> okay. That I can handle. Thank you. 22:28:54 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-036-25.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:31:07 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:31:09 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:32:43 *** Mucht|zZz is now known as Mucht 22:33:57 *** Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@c211-28-183-112.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:39:58 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F9BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:40:36 *** uatec_ [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:41:21 *** uatec [n=uatec@82-39-97-173.cable.ubr01.newy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:48:47 <egladil> [10 23:23 CET] Bjarni yes <== no 22:50:34 <egladil> http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/unix.c#L457 <== take a look at the special code needed for os x 22:52:28 <Bjarni> egladil: err 22:52:33 <Bjarni> are you sure it's needed 22:52:35 <egladil> Vornicus: this is how you find the app dir: http://svn.openttd.org/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/trunk/video/cocoa_v.m#L2087 22:52:38 <egladil> yes 22:52:46 <Bjarni> I mean it worked before it was added 22:52:53 <egladil> sdl did it then 22:52:59 <Bjarni> oh 22:54:18 <Bjarni> the question is if Vornicus is going to use SDL in his port 22:54:26 <Bjarni> somehow I think so 22:54:29 <Vornicus> It does use SDL, yes. 22:56:12 <Vornicus> The original is in SDL, and it works fine on mine once I work out the stupid path to openGL thing, and so forth, so I don't see any reason to change it. 22:58:22 <Bjarni> hehe 22:58:35 <Bjarni> I can see you haven't tried to make a static build yet 22:58:42 <Vornicus> What were theproblems that you guys had with it? 22:58:49 <Vornicus> Actually I got the static build just fine. 22:58:54 <Vornicus> I think anyway. 22:59:21 <Bjarni> well, it failed to link statically against anything newer than 1.2.7 22:59:27 <Vornicus> weird. 22:59:35 <Vornicus> Cuz this one worked fine. 22:59:43 <Bjarni> and it made a lazy pointer not found crash on exit 23:00:09 <Bjarni> it crashed the game is you switched to a resolution that would not fit on the screen in window mode 23:00:34 <Vornicus> Actually the Cocoa build does that on my machine. 23:00:45 <Bjarni> crash? 23:00:51 <Vornicus> yeah. 23:00:54 <Bjarni> o_O 23:00:59 *** PAStheLoD [n=pas@catv-56656dbc.catv.broadband.hu] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 23:01:03 <Bjarni> are you sure it's the cocoa build? 23:01:22 <Vornicus> I'm sure, yes. 23:01:40 <Bjarni> what do you do to crash it? 23:01:55 <Bjarni> it had a problem on x86, but it should be fixed 23:02:14 <Bjarni> "should be" because I have no way to test it 23:02:15 <Vornicus> Switching to a resolution big enough to hit the dock. 23:02:33 <Vornicus> I've got a dual G4 from like 2002. 23:02:42 <Bjarni> it appears everybody is too cheap to donate me an Intel based mac :( 23:02:47 <Vornicus> sowwy. 23:03:02 <Bjarni> ieowujtp9aw8e7gntehsjpramwerk 23:03:12 * Bjarni goes to get a new lightbulb 23:03:13 <Vornicus> really. 23:03:22 <Bjarni> it's kind of dark now 23:03:31 <TrueLight> pussy 23:05:07 * glx hope Bjarni has a spare lightbulb :) 23:05:35 <TrueLight> here, borrow mine! 23:07:28 <Bjarni> ahh, now I can see more than just the monitor again :) 23:07:39 <Vornicus> heh 23:09:39 <Bjarni> actually I started to wonder why the light flickered and wondered if I should see if the power supply were stable 23:09:42 <Bjarni> then it died 23:09:51 <Bjarni> and now the light is stable 23:10:01 <Bjarni> I guess I don't have to call the power company 23:10:31 <Bjarni> I did that once because I had the wrong voltage 23:10:47 <Bjarni> they changed voltage from 230V to 15V 23:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> wtf? 23:19:03 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:23:16 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 23:24:40 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:25:04 <ShadowJK> wtf :) 23:25:07 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 23:26:09 <Bjarni> yeah, they broke the transformer 23:26:28 <Bjarni> or rather, it broke itself 23:27:34 <Bjarni> so the whole street must have missed that phase, yet it appears that I was the one to report the wrong voltage on it 23:28:02 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Reason: My sister broke the router"] 23:28:12 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:23 <Bjarni> a voltage drop to 15V should be something everybody notic 23:28:24 <Bjarni> e 23:29:40 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... there's a difference between 'notice something is wrong', 'notice what is wrong' and 'know what to do against it' 23:32:08 *** e1ko [n=31k0@161.157.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 23:32:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> like my neighbour recently... 23:32:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> she said "i have a problem sending emails" 23:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> i came around, noticed, she couldn't even log into the net 23:33:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> it said 'wrong password' 23:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> i said: call the ISP, they probably locked the account because the password was input too often 23:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> she said: "i would have never thought of that" 23:33:57 <Bjarni> heh 23:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2 minutes later, the problem was fixed ;) 23:34:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's a "wrong" missing in between 23:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> the wrong password 23:34:37 <Bjarni> well, I didn't mean people should call the power company and tell that they only got 15V, more like: it's not working 23:35:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> like i said: my neighbour never thought of calling the ISP either, so it's not a surprise that people don't call the power station 23:35:53 <Bjarni> most people can't even measure that there is a voltage, but it's way too low to make anything work, that expects 10 times as high voltage or even more 23:37:08 <Bjarni> I once saw that they were looking for more people to take care of their phonecalls. I thought it looked like easy money, but I didn't apply 23:37:15 <Bjarni> I can't remember why 23:37:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> when i have a power outage, i don't call anyone either, i expect that to be noticed and fixed by the people responsible 23:38:00 <Bjarni> you know, it could be the fuse between their cables and your house and they would never notice 23:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> it always worked that way... 23:38:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... i notice that by looking out of the window, and see that everyone else has power ;) 23:38:40 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7F9BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["http://mir.ist-langweilig.de/oh_man.jpg/"] 23:38:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> then i check the ... "sicherung" (english word?) 23:38:59 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> well... i notice that by looking out of the window, and see that everyone else has power ;) <-- I tried that. It sucked 23:39:12 <Bjarni> sicherung = fuse 23:39:15 <Bjarni> I think 23:39:20 <Bjarni> !whatis fuse 23:39:23 <jmp_ghli> >Bjarni> Fuse \Fuse\, v. i. 1. To be reduced from a solid to a fluid state by heat; to be melted; to melt. | 2. To be blended, as if melted together. | , the degree of temperature at which a substance melts; the point of fusion; the melting point. Fuse \Fuse\, n. (Gunnery, Mining, etc.) 1. A tube or casing filled with combustible matter, by means of which a charge of powder is ignited, as in blasting; -- called also . See . | , the hole 23:39:41 <Bjarni> hmm 23:39:47 <Bjarni> not that kind of fuse 23:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's not what i was looking for ;) 23:40:07 <Bjarni> I guess that word means more than one thing 23:41:02 <Bjarni> http://www.hydropool.com/images/parts_spa/spp400/MDA-20-FUSE-5.jpg 23:41:05 <Bjarni> more like those 23:41:18 <Bjarni> except they aren't big enough for the power input to a building 23:42:07 <Bjarni> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/haycox/blog/images/french-fuse-box.jpg 23:42:09 <Bjarni> those 23:42:24 <Bjarni> except we use them to make our installations safe :p 23:42:24 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80BA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... we hat a power outage a few months ago 23:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> there was some pretty big storm 23:44:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> it got fixed automatically like 10 minutes later 23:45:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can't think of one that lasted much longer... 23:45:23 <Bjarni> I lost power for like a day or so 23:45:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i never called anyone 23:45:39 *** tokai|ni is now known as tokai|Zzz 23:45:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> besides, when the power is lost, the phone is dead anyway ;) 23:45:54 <Bjarni> a storm knocked over a whole lot of trees and a row of them took down the power lines 23:46:09 <Bjarni> they had to put up new ones and new poles to hold them 23:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> that sounds like lots of work ;) 23:46:34 * gass amulegui rula 23:46:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> you gotta love underground wires ;) 23:46:46 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> besides, when the power is lost, the phone is dead anyway ;) <-- that configuration is not particular safe 23:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... it's ISDN 23:47:04 <Bjarni> a fire breaks out, cuts the power and then you can't call 112 23:47:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... there's neighbours 23:47:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> and cell phones 23:47:43 <Bjarni> it's really common to lose power in case of a fire 23:48:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> i did not invent the system ;) 23:48:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> and if the power line is cut by the fire, chances are, the phone line which is right next to the power line is, too ;) 23:48:53 <Bjarni> if you call from your own house, they got a nice red dot on your house automatically and that is transmitted to the firefighters 23:49:11 <Bjarni> if you use a mobile phone, you risk that they go to the wrong place 23:49:15 <Bjarni> it have happened 23:49:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> well... if they go to the neighbours house, they are not that far off ;) 23:49:40 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 23:49:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not a huge city... 23:49:47 <Bjarni> not if the power dies because of a short circuit 23:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a village of 1200 inhabitants 23:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> in case of fire, you can probably call the firefighters by voice ;) 23:55:20 <Fujitsu> Hhaa 23:55:35 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 23:55:49 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 23:57:08 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2FBC3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd