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[n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 04:50:04 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:50:16 *** peter1138 [n=peter@195.112.37.102] has joined #openttd 04:54:12 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:19:05 <Tobin> Smoky555: You mean on you're local machine? 05:19:39 <Tobin> Smoky555: It'd be a lot of work. They both change some of the same things. 05:21:47 *** xgkkp [n=xgkkp@user-7742.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 05:28:32 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 05:44:48 *** EternalDecoy is now known as ED|Sleep 05:45:16 *** DJFire [n=nox@ip70-188-111-236.lu.dl.cox.net] has quit [] 06:00:37 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 06:00:37 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:21 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3DB6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:04:40 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:54:41 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:00:10 *** Xeryus|bed is now known as XeryusTC 07:03:46 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:09:45 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:15:28 <peter1138> morning 07:16:02 <Tron> morning peter1138 07:16:04 <peter1138> should we make pause_on_join enabled by default? 07:16:10 <Tron> did you look at the terraform issue already? 07:16:15 <peter1138> i've looked at it, yues 07:16:24 <Tron> and? 07:16:31 <Tron> "it's cute" 07:16:34 <peter1138> :D 07:16:43 <peter1138> well i needed to sleep, heh 07:17:00 <Tron> fair enough 07:17:38 <Tron> all i can say is i fixed it in r526 and in r3228 it reappears 07:18:48 * Vornicus looks, sees that someone asked a question that was never answered. 07:18:55 <Tron> and i'm damn glad that at least once i didn't break it again (; 07:18:58 <Vornicus> ED|Sleep: 3979 is the port OTTD uses. 07:19:23 * Vornicus needs to submit a bug report, now that he thinks about it. 07:19:25 <peter1138> heh 07:24:20 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:25:11 * Vornicus tries to remember his thrice-damned SF account name, gets it on like the fifth try. 07:26:38 <peter1138> use bugs.openttd.org 07:26:46 <peter1138> (unless it's not for ottd, heh) 07:31:25 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|school 07:32:02 <Vornicus> oh, okay. 07:33:56 * Vornicus ponders whether he should actually put his real name in the register thingy. 07:35:22 <Vornicus> okay, flyspray is giving me errors. 07:35:25 <Vornicus> Notice: Undefined variable: register_text in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 607 07:35:26 <Vornicus> Notice: Undefined index: project_title in /www/openttd.org/bugs/scripts/modify.php on line 607 07:35:26 <Vornicus> Notice: Undefined index: flyspray_userid in /www/openttd.org/bugs/includes/notify.inc.php on line 264 07:35:26 <Vornicus> Your confirmation code has been sent. Please follow the instructions contained in the message. 07:36:14 <hylje> well 07:36:21 <hylje> post a bug report 07:37:43 <Vornicus> ...to...? 07:38:57 <hylje> :D 07:39:35 * Vornicus makes sure it's still in the latest. 07:41:48 * Vornicus doesn't see a reason for it not to be, the video subsystem hasn't been touched. 07:45:24 <peter1138> Tron: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/terrafix.diff 07:45:24 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [Client Quit] 07:46:38 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:46:49 <Vornicus> okay, still in 3988 when I compile... 07:47:40 <Vornicus> and the 3985 official nightly. 07:49:48 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Client Quit] 07:50:04 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:51:36 * Vornicus posts a bug report! Gasp and Tarnation! 07:53:36 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has joined #openttd 07:53:48 <peter1138> bjarni's domain :) 07:54:27 <Vornicus> Once in a while I feel sorry for Bjarni, having to deal with all the stupid shit I come up with. 07:54:56 <peter1138> org.ludde-ottd, hehe 07:55:13 <Vornicus> REading the crash log I see. 07:56:28 <peter1138> looks like a null pointer to me 07:56:46 <Vornicus> That is indeed what it looks like. 07:57:15 <Vornicus> If I were any good with SVN I'd search back until I found one that doesn't crash. 07:57:17 *** Tobin_ [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:57:38 <peter1138> i take it alt-enter doesn't work either 07:58:07 * Vornicus doesn't think there's a fullscreen button in the Mac build, but hey, he'll try it. 07:58:47 * Vornicus finds one - ctrl-enter - and tries it, and lo, it does indeed crash. 07:58:59 <peter1138> DarkSSH: (as well) http://195.112.37.102/ottd/terrafix.diff 07:59:53 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm227.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 08:06:08 *** jong [n=jong@flipflip.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 08:06:25 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181065199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:07:48 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:07:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:08:13 <Tron> peter1138: hmhm, shouldn't the check before already catch that case? 08:09:27 <peter1138> no, it's rotated 08:10:18 <Tron> ? 08:10:33 <peter1138> these are tilehs that are allowed, not disallowed 08:10:49 <Tron> i remember fixing this very bug 08:11:36 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:11:55 <Tron> somehow this test looks a bit duplicated 08:12:58 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:13:22 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 08:16:20 <peter1138> perhaps 08:16:23 <peter1138> but it works 08:16:26 * peter1138 > off 08:17:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B80240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:21:54 <Celestar> hi peops 08:23:46 <ThePizzaKing> hi Celestar 08:23:59 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 08:28:11 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [] 08:29:01 <SimonRC> hmm 08:29:09 <SimonRC> Is there a map editor for this thing? 08:29:16 *** Gussoh^ [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has joined #openttd 08:29:18 *** Gussoh [n=gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:29:46 <SimonRC> Some of the junction examples I have seen look like they were prepared with a special editor of some kind. 08:30:11 <SimonRC> e.g. the terrain is really flat 08:34:00 *** joed [n=James@CPE-143-238-8-202.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:41:03 <Vornicus> There's the scenario editor. 08:41:38 <Vornicus> "Create Scenario" on the main menu. 08:41:58 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181065199.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 08:43:36 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181119190.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:44:42 *** iridium`nh [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-177.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 08:54:00 <peter1138> there's a terrain levelling tool ingame too ;p 08:55:54 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca226.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:55:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 08:58:14 <peter1138> Bjarni: bug for you :) 09:01:02 <Celestar> peter1138: do you know anything about OPF? 09:02:06 <peter1138> overseas pakistanis foundation? 09:02:57 <Celestar> Old Pathfinder 09:03:55 <peter1138> yeah 09:04:01 <peter1138> if that's what you call it now :) 09:04:37 <Bjarni> <peter1138> Bjarni: bug for you :) <-- I can't handle a bug report with so little info :p 09:04:56 <Celestar> I do. 09:05:04 <Celestar> ok do you know anything about it? ;) 09:05:12 <peter1138> Bjarni: on bugs :) 09:05:52 <peter1138> a little 09:06:07 <Celestar> peter1138: "we" need to make it railtype-aware. 09:06:41 <CIA-5> celestar * r3989 /branch/elrail/ (42 files in 6 dirs): [elrail] Merge from trunk: revisions 3928:3988 09:07:58 <peter1138> ah 09:09:29 <peter1138> hmm, i take it that npf is, then 09:09:38 <peter1138> anyway 09:09:42 <peter1138> trains don't use the old pathfinder 09:11:09 <Celestar> NTP 09:11:14 <Celestar> and NPF 09:11:20 <Celestar> NPF is railtype-aware 09:11:22 <Celestar> NTP is not. 09:11:25 <peter1138> yeayh 09:11:26 <peter1138> -y 09:11:27 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181122191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:12:16 <Noldo> what are the reasons not to use NPF at the moment? 09:12:27 <Celestar> Noldo: performance. 09:12:35 <peter1138> Celestar: what's tpf->tracktype? 09:12:53 <Celestar> peter1138: TRANSPORT_RAIL TRANSPORT_ROAD ... 09:13:16 <peter1138> oh, does what it says :) 09:13:21 <Celestar> ^^ 09:13:30 <Celestar> hm .. 09:13:45 <Celestar> pathfind.c:310 .. somewhere there maybe. 09:14:25 <Vornicus> Bjarni: bug for you! http://bugs.openttd.org/task/80 <--- is that enough info? 09:14:26 <Vornicus> :) 09:14:35 <Celestar> hey Vornicus 09:14:42 <Bjarni> Vornicus: read what I just wrote in it 09:15:34 <Vornicus> BAH 09:15:55 <Bjarni> so you are using some sort of Intel mac, right? 09:16:18 <Vornicus> Nope. 09:16:22 <Bjarni> o_O 09:16:26 <Bjarni> then we are screwed 09:16:40 <Vornicus> More info on my new comment. 09:18:15 <Bjarni> now this is one of the weird bugs 09:18:18 <Bjarni> it works for me 09:18:43 <Vornicus> Beans. 09:19:19 <DarkSSH> hmm peter1138: are you sure that's a proper fix? 09:19:36 <DarkSSH> peter1138: Tron added dangslopes and dangslopes2 just for this reason 09:19:53 <Vornicus> dangslopes? 09:19:54 <Celestar> wtf is a dangslope? 09:20:03 <Celestar> bah NTP is evil :S 09:20:43 <KUDr> Celestar: do it on NPF first, so I can see what it will need from new PF i am working on 09:20:53 <Bjarni> interesting. The nightly build crashes, but not the one I compiled myself 09:22:10 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181119190.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:22:50 <DarkSSH> FS#80 . Crash when switching from windowed to fullscreen <-- Bjarni: UTF-8 problem? :) 09:22:55 <Celestar> KUDr: no need to. 09:23:00 <Celestar> KUDr: NPF already works.. 09:23:06 <KUDr> OK 09:23:35 <Vornicus> The nightly and all the ones I've built crash. 09:23:55 <DarkSSH> what's 1 org.ludde-ottd.ludde-ottd <-- this doing there? 09:24:24 <Bjarni> DarkSSH: I'm pretty sure it's not 09:24:37 <Vornicus> if you can zip your build up and DCC it to me I can test it on my machine. 09:25:03 <DarkSSH> Bjarni: well worth a shot :) 09:25:25 <DarkSSH> Vornicus: did you find the exact revision it crashes at? 09:25:51 <Bjarni> hint: try the one that optimised the cocoa video driver 09:26:07 <Bjarni> I'm pretty sure I know what line it crashes in 09:26:07 <Vornicus> No sir. I haven't been able to do so because of version incompatibilities in the external files. 09:26:19 <DarkSSH> heh 09:26:31 <Bjarni> the issue is that I have no idea why it works sometimes and fails sometimes 09:26:42 <Vornicus> specifically (dun-dun DAAAAAH!) language packs. 09:29:52 <Naksu> i see some people love the wtf 09:29:53 <Naksu> http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/ProductFeedback/viewfeedback.aspx?feedbackid=2baa7f6d-9e6a-46eb-a928-c0ae646fce6b 09:30:35 <Celestar> this will be more troubleful than I thought :S 09:32:07 <Bjarni> Vornicus: btw since you got two CPUs, you should use the -j option when running make. I worked on getting the makefile to work with that, so you might as well use it ;) 09:32:48 <peter1138> DarkSSH: no, i'm not sure it's a proper fix, but it does fix it 09:33:10 <Celestar> we talking about the signal fix? 09:33:15 <DarkSSH> because the dangslopes2 is made especially for this 09:33:21 <DarkSSH> just mode is different somehow 09:33:42 <DarkSSH> Celestar: no, terraform bug 09:33:44 <Vornicus> I should use that, yes. 09:33:52 <Vornicus> Thank you for telling me about it. 09:33:53 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["system is entering sleep mode"] 09:33:56 <Celestar> DarkSSH: I see. 09:34:06 <DarkSSH> peter1138: which reminds me. Did you pick a fix yet for the signals? ;) 09:34:09 <Vornicus> wtf does dangslopes do? 09:34:09 <peter1138> DarkSSH: remember, this is a special case for terraforming when there is one track bit on the tile 09:34:22 <peter1138> dangerous slopes -- slopes you can't have track on 09:34:32 <DarkSSH> Celestar: build top-horizontal track and terraform-down the south-corner twice 09:34:36 <peter1138> or rather, can't terraform 09:34:47 <peter1138> DarkSSH: not just that, it works for all combinations 09:34:50 <DarkSSH> peter1138: I see the point, but the old code was especially there for this case 09:34:55 <peter1138> no it wasn't 09:34:56 <DarkSSH> and it worked in all cases 09:34:58 <Vornicus> (on the other hand, bjarni, I like being able to work on my computer while the thing makes, and using both for one job makes everything else sluggish. 09:34:58 <Celestar> DarkSSH: checking 09:35:07 <peter1138> the existing code is for lowering the corner that the track is on 09:35:13 <DarkSSH> peter1138: dangslopes2 was, no? 09:35:15 <peter1138> this code is for lowering the opposite corner 09:35:27 <DarkSSH> hmm, so how come it worked? 09:35:36 <Bjarni> Vornicus: then that's your choice. Sometimes you just want a fast compilation, sometimes you want free CPU time 09:35:42 <Celestar> DarkSSH: that is .. suboptimal? 09:35:48 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:35:53 <DarkSSH> Celestar: just a bit 09:36:01 <Celestar> DarkSSH: what revision did cause that? 09:40:22 <Celestar> someone with knowledge about NTP. HELP ME 09:40:35 <peter1138> DarkSSH: magic 09:40:44 <peter1138> it's still magic, just different magic 09:41:45 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 09:41:50 <DarkSSH> Celestar: 3288 I think 09:42:00 <DarkSSH> but the weird thing is I don't see how it caused that 09:42:13 <peter1138> i can 09:42:18 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:27 <peter1138> well, sort of 09:42:29 <DarkSSH> peter the magician ;) 09:42:34 <peter1138> and this fixes it :P 09:42:40 <peter1138> i even tested it ;) 09:43:26 <DarkSSH> Celestar: I mean 3228 09:43:28 <Celestar> peter1138: what does? 09:43:50 <peter1138> http://195.112.37.102/ottd/terrafix.diff 09:44:36 <Celestar> ah 09:47:26 <Celestar> DarkSSH: I'm analyzing the revision in question 09:50:54 <peter1138> i admit, i know how terrafix.diff fixes it, but i don't know why 3228/3249 broke it 09:51:41 <Bjarni> Vornicus: try this binary instead and see what happens 09:52:15 <Celestar> 3228 broke it. 09:52:19 <Celestar> and I'll find out why. 09:52:59 <Bjarni> Vornicus: are you still here? 09:54:52 <Vornicus> yes. 09:54:58 <Vornicus> bah 09:54:59 <Bjarni> DCC timeout :( 09:55:10 <Vornicus> sorry, sometimes my system forgets to tell me. 09:55:14 <Bjarni> like a few sec before you replied 09:55:21 <Vornicus> or, tells me, but hides the window before I see it. 09:56:10 <Bjarni> it took a little to build because I built one binary, then I did it all over WITHOUT G5 specific code ;) 09:58:11 <peter1138> Celestar: there could well be a better fix too... 09:59:08 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:59:19 <Celestar> peter1138: I have a slight hunch. 09:59:25 <Celestar> stby verifying my theory 10:03:29 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm not getting your modification in 3228 ... 10:03:47 <Celestar> skip_clear has been introduced for tunnels ? 10:04:00 <Bjarni> Vornicus: now it's interesting to see what happens when you try this binary 10:06:03 <Celestar> DarkSSH: peter1138: I don't see why you don't see why r3228 introduced that bug. 10:06:07 <Celestar> ... 10:06:12 <Celestar> great sentence 10:06:15 <SimonRC> note to self: check productivity of an indstry before building station. 10:06:35 <SimonRC> do not build 4-track ro-ro stations for 35T/month woods 10:10:53 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:11:20 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 10:15:02 <SimonRC> hmm, does 0.4.5 have higher processor requirements that 0.4.0.1? 10:17:00 <SimonRC> It seems to be more jerky 10:17:08 <peter1138> no 10:19:50 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:24:07 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:27:12 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm getting there 10:27:17 <peter1138> yeah 10:27:22 <peter1138> i know why it broke it now ;p 10:27:24 <peter1138> however 10:27:29 <Celestar> and why? 10:27:45 <peter1138> want to come up with a better overall fix? heh 10:27:52 <Celestar> possibly. yes 10:27:52 <peter1138> (cos i'm stuck at work :/) 10:27:57 <Celestar> so am I :P 10:28:24 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:28:33 <Celestar> peter1138: elaborate on the problem please 10:29:05 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181069247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:33:47 <Celestar> well peter1138 I might HAVE a better fix ;) 10:34:27 * Celestar goes testing it 10:35:02 <Celestar> anyone on openttd now, has patch/build abilities and is NOT at work? ;) 10:35:12 <peter1138> good, becuase i think mine is broken in another way, but i can't test it 10:35:50 <Celestar> peter1138: in 3227, you don't modify the tile_table. in 3228 you do. 10:36:01 <Celestar> I think that's what fucks it up. 10:37:41 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 10:38:06 <Celestar> peter1138: if you move the tile_table stuff in the if (!skip_clear) block, it works. 10:38:31 <peter1138> yeah 10:38:42 <peter1138> but then you can terraform tunnels 10:39:15 <Celestar> what do you mean?! 10:39:45 <Celestar> I cannot terraform tunnels 10:40:26 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:41:20 <Brianetta> http://ppcis.org/ring/ 10:41:38 <peter1138> nice 10:42:04 <Celestar> peter1138: specify "you can terraform tunnels" 10:42:39 <Celestar> I cannot terraform tunnels in 3227 10:42:54 <Vornicus> Bjarni: I have just tested it, it fails. 10:43:21 <Bjarni> o_O 10:43:30 <peter1138> Celestar: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=22062 10:43:33 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181122191.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:43:34 <Celestar> note to all: Tunnel sprites are totally fucked up 10:43:48 <Celestar> peter1138: Cheery 10:43:53 <Celestar> peter1138: Checking 10:44:21 * Vornicus is :(tastic about this. 10:44:32 <Bjarni> Vornicus: it works just fine here 10:45:12 <Bjarni> I'm out of time now 10:45:19 <Bjarni> I will look at this later 10:45:30 <Celestar> peter1138: that calls for special treatment. 10:46:05 <Bjarni> bbl 10:47:12 <Vornicus> ok 10:47:49 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 10:49:09 <Celestar> this whole terraforming crap is very very magical :S 10:50:31 <Celestar> peter1138: what EXACTLY are dangslopes? 10:50:40 <Celestar> I mean what do we need them for? 10:54:50 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 10:56:59 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:00:02 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181069247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [] 11:00:28 <Celestar> peter1138: I might have a fix .. 11:02:00 <Celestar> if it works, that is ;) 11:08:39 <Celestar> peter1138: getting there 11:10:03 * SimonRC thinks he has found a bug in 0.4.5 that wasn't in 0.4.0.1 11:10:16 <Celestar> SimonRC: post it :) 11:10:24 <SimonRC> wheree? 11:11:29 <Celestar> bugs.openttd.org 11:11:33 <Celestar> and a short summary here. 11:12:04 <SimonRC> hmm, openttd.org directs me to sourceforge 11:12:56 <Celestar> lwllwww 11:13:04 <Celestar> http://bugs.openttd.org/ 11:13:06 <Celestar> there 11:18:04 <peter1138> or just tell us, heh 11:18:07 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm227.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:18:17 <SimonRC> do I have to sign up to report on bugs.openttd.org 11:18:17 <SimonRC> ? 11:18:23 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm227.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:20:58 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181069247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:12 *** sign_de [i=sign@i577B01FB.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:21:49 <SimonRC> It seems so. 11:22:08 <SimonRC> Well in that case, someone with an account already can report the bug for me. 11:26:46 <SimonRC> "Occasionally, the mouse cursor changes to the ZZZZ, but does not change back. In the Ratpoison window manager, which maintains seperate cursor positions for each window, this bug can be reproduced fairly reliably by a month-change while the game window is not visible. Workaround: click on a tool that changes the mouse cursor appearance, and the cursor will change appearance as expected." 11:27:04 <SimonRC> category: UI, severity: minor 11:30:12 *** tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:30:37 <Celestar> peter1138: my first idea would be to revert 3228 11:32:49 <peter1138> and then? 11:33:02 <Celestar> find some better solution to the tunnel problem? ;) 11:33:21 <Celestar> or rewrite the whole Terraform stuff because it's a mess :P 11:34:55 <peter1138> or apply that fix to get the bug out the way, and then figure out a better way? heh 11:35:08 <tron_> Celestar: it's also dead slow 11:35:16 <tron_> did i miss something important? 11:36:18 <Celestar> tron_: yes. 11:37:07 <Celestar> build a tile with TRACK_BIT_UPPER and raise the southern corner a couple of times 11:39:28 <Celestar> peter1138: I seem to have a fix. 11:39:39 <Celestar> who is maintaining our flyspray stuff? 11:40:26 <tron_> Celestar: i reported that regression 11:40:32 <Celestar> tron_: you did? 11:40:41 <Celestar> when where? 11:40:47 <Celestar> tron_: I have a fix. 11:40:48 <peter1138> to me, heh 11:40:51 <tron_> yesterday, in the morning 11:40:59 <tron_> or maybe it was saturday in the evening 11:41:09 *** Jang- [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:41:12 <tron_> to peter and to dv 11:41:34 <tron_> mainly to dv to stop the release 11:42:12 <Celestar> ahh nice showstopper 11:42:20 <Celestar> tron_: you got 10-15 minutes? 11:42:49 <tron_> <DarkSSH> peter1138: Tron added dangslopes and dangslopes2 just for this reason <--- i just added the latter, the former was "always" there 11:42:52 <tron_> Celestar: sure, mom 11:42:59 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:43:04 *** tron_ is now known as Tron 11:43:06 <Celestar> I've removed dangslopes* .... 11:43:11 *** Tron_ [n=tron@p54A3D9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:45:00 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 11:47:17 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:48:56 <Celestar> the fix is actually shorter than the original code .. 11:49:22 <SimonRC> "Supply problems cause to announce immenent closure." 11:49:28 <Celestar> ~...~...int direction = ts->direction, r; <= and I HATE these kind of variable declarations. 11:49:32 <SimonRC> (It had closed already, wahtever it was) 11:50:04 <SimonRC> I would say that that message was due to a GC bug, but there isn't one. 11:51:06 <peter1138> Celestar: heh :) 11:51:14 <peter1138> Celestar: what's the correct fix then? :) 11:51:42 *** Singaporekid is now known as Zingaporekid 11:51:43 <Celestar> peter1138: can you accept dCC? 11:51:48 <peter1138> yeah 11:52:19 *** Zingaporekid is now known as Skiddles^ 11:52:48 <peter1138> can't you use gettileslope there? 11:52:53 <Celestar> peter1138: nope. 11:53:02 <Celestar> peter1138: because the tile is not yet modified... 11:53:18 <Celestar> neither are the adjacent tiles. 11:53:40 <peter1138> Celestar: tunnels can only be damaged by direction == -1, no? 11:53:46 <Celestar> but I'm going to unify GetTileSlope and that code snippet .. 11:53:48 <Celestar> peter1138: yes. 11:53:50 <peter1138> oh, track too. yes. sillyme 11:54:11 <Celestar> no track can be damaged in both directions .. 11:54:57 <peter1138> still looks like nasty special casing for railways ;) 11:55:19 <Celestar> but less nasty. 11:55:24 <Celestar> with less arrays. 11:55:45 <peter1138> yeah 11:58:58 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm227.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 11:59:08 *** Singaporekid [n=notme@cm227.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd ["Raah"] 12:00:41 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:07:56 <MiHaMiX> http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/0/4/9/0989940.jpg 12:08:39 <Vornicus> ooh, hypnotising. 12:09:02 <peter1138> quite big 12:09:30 <MiHaMiX> yes :) 12:09:34 <MiHaMiX> airbus a380 :) 12:09:36 * Skiddles^ scuttles off for quite some time 12:09:38 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm227.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd ["Raah"] 12:10:06 <Celestar> that'S not even the biggest engine anyway 12:10:11 <Celestar> it's only 116 inch 12:10:34 *** joed [n=James@CPE-143-238-8-202.vic.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd ["Client exiting"] 12:11:32 <MiHaMiX> _only_ :DD 12:11:32 <Celestar> and it's a british engine ;) 12:12:38 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: the GE90-115B is 128 inch 12:13:23 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 12:23:27 <Brianetta> That guy is standing closer to the back of the engine. Perspective makes it look bigger. 12:24:04 <Brianetta> It's framed such that the guy is close to the bottom of the frame, which makes the engine look very low, too. 12:24:28 <Brianetta> You can see his real relative position by his reflection - he's past the trailing edge, easily. 12:26:42 <peter1138> hmm 12:28:29 <DarkSSH> MiHaMiX: ping 12:28:52 <DarkSSH> MiHaMiX: did you turn on non-registered bug-reports on flyspray? 12:29:18 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: no, not yet, since you asked me not to do it yet. 12:29:55 <DarkSSH> yes I did! 12:30:38 <DarkSSH> well I think I did 12:30:43 <DarkSSH> can't find it in these logs 12:30:50 <DarkSSH> but I have logs all over the place :( 12:30:50 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: no, you didn't. I have logs to prove it. 12:30:51 <MiHaMiX> :P 12:31:01 <DarkSSH> but I wanted to 12:31:04 <MiHaMiX> lol 12:31:09 <DarkSSH> which you opposed on the grounds of spam 12:31:15 <DarkSSH> and you have the logs to prove it 12:31:34 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: AFAIR, you gave me the priorities: 1: translator, 2: flyspray 12:32:14 <DarkSSH> ok, if it is that much work, I'll maintain the priorities :) 12:32:27 <DarkSSH> but if not, priorities just changed baby ^; 12:32:30 <DarkSSH> fuckin...brb 12:32:57 <MiHaMiX> lol 12:32:57 <MiHaMiX> :) 12:33:03 <DarkSSH> stupid dutch keyboard crap 12:33:04 <DarkSSH> ble 12:33:05 <DarkSSH> h 12:34:00 <Cipri> Keyboards that stick to the default dutch layout are Satans Keyboard *sagenods* 12:34:31 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: 20:30 <DarkSSH> neh, egesz jol mukodik, inkabb koncentralj a translatorra :) 12:34:53 <DarkSSH> ok and now the part that proves I asked for it :) 12:35:26 <MiHaMiX> there's no such part :PP 12:35:34 <DarkSSH> bull 12:35:35 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-52.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:35:40 <DarkSSH> just you wait till I get home! 12:36:00 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: by the time you got home, your logs will be lost :) 12:36:36 <DarkSSH> no I don't trim them :) 12:36:57 <MiHaMiX> but i will :DD 12:37:02 <DarkSSH> I have 18MB of logs of #warcraft3 and #tft alone...all bullshit :). And a ton of #openttd 12:37:10 <DarkSSH> you can't, my box is hack-proof! 12:37:10 <peter1138> heh 12:37:29 <DarkSSH> eg. it is turned off :'p 12:37:33 <peter1138> hehe 12:37:51 <MiHaMiX> DarkSSH: and does your box resist to a termo-nuclear rocket? :P 12:38:03 <DarkSSH> you have one? 12:38:28 <DarkSSH> this sucks though. I came back to my old workplace to do some improvements for them...it turns out they eh 'lost' half my work 12:38:33 <MiHaMiX> no, but the systems which gueards there rockets are on the internet :D 12:38:48 <DarkSSH> so I have to redo a ton of work 12:38:56 <peter1138> DarkSSH, celestar's patch: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/terraform.diff 12:38:57 <MiHaMiX> ahh, that's never nice :( 12:41:00 <Celestar> DarkSSH: you there? 12:41:06 * DarkSSH is not here 12:41:13 <DarkSSH> hmm, does the diff work? 12:41:14 <Celestar> peter1138: there is a more recent one. wait 12:41:45 <peter1138> DarkSSH: i've not tested it 12:41:47 <DarkSSH> I think it'd be probably better to put the rail-way-specific part into rail_cmd.c no? 12:41:48 <peter1138> k 12:41:54 <Celestar> http://www.fvfischer.de/terra.diff 12:43:11 <Celestar> DarkSSH: It does The Right Thing (TM) .. hopefully 12:43:16 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:48 *** Scia [n=Scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit ["kwiet"] 12:44:17 <DarkSSH> GetTileh(uint n, uint w, uint e, uint s, uint *h) 12:44:19 <DarkSSH> \o/ 12:44:27 <DarkSSH> oh 12:44:32 <DarkSSH> we already had this function 12:44:35 <Celestar> no. 12:44:38 <Celestar> we didn't, did we? 12:44:40 <DarkSSH> nevertheless \o/ 12:44:46 <DarkSSH> well not functionized ;) 12:44:50 <Celestar> right ;) 12:44:51 <DarkSSH> but in GetTileSlope() 12:45:16 <DarkSSH> I think uint is a bit of an overkill, but ok ;) 12:45:35 <Celestar> HELL. I need some cables put in place, and our workers are on strike. 12:47:16 <peter1138> byte's enough, no? 12:48:33 <Celestar> as what? 12:48:42 <Celestar> uints == faster. 12:53:54 <Celestar> DarkSSH: any chance to test for you? 12:55:09 <SimonRC> Celestar: Cables? Workers? 12:55:15 *** LadyHawk [n=here@82-45-53-147.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:56:10 <Celestar> working @ a uni department 12:56:59 * SimonRC tries to remember how to delete some signals without deleting the track 12:59:30 <DarkSSH> Celestar: work :( 12:59:37 <DarkSSH> Celestar: at home ~evening 13:03:11 <Celestar> DarkSSH: I could commit it now, but I'd prefer waiting for additional testing to be done (could not find a problem myself here) 13:03:25 <Celestar> or do you want me to go ahead . 13:08:32 <DarkSSH> I'll have a lookie later on. 13:08:38 <DarkSSH> release is probably tomorrow anyways 13:08:56 <DarkSSH> we need peter to pick one of his fixes for the signal-bug :) 13:09:00 <DarkSSH> <-- going home 13:09:02 <Celestar> DarkSSH: I'd need a go ahead before 1700 ;) 13:09:40 <Celestar> otherwise you'd need to commit in my name 13:10:43 <peter1138> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23538376704 2006-03-10 02:48 slon.log 13:10:45 <peter1138> that's a bit big 13:11:24 <peter1138> i'm not even going to attempt to open that, heh 13:11:26 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:18:58 *** xgkkp [n=xgkkp@user-7742.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:19:50 <Tefad> PBS removed because it was too buggy or something? 13:20:00 <Brianetta> Tefad: Basically. 13:20:09 <Tefad> (just finished reading assload of svn updates) 13:20:15 <Brianetta> heh 13:20:21 <Brianetta> PBS has a branch of its own 13:20:25 <Tefad> right 13:20:28 <Celestar> KUDr is working on a new implementation. 13:20:30 <Brianetta> I don't know how well it's progressing. 13:20:55 <Tefad> much of the svn updates were about OSX it seems 13:21:20 <Tefad> and code prettiness 13:22:16 <LadyHawk> sorry i'm not up to date anymore.. but is PBS fixed or removed in the newest release? 13:22:25 <Tefad> hmm has there always been stereo based on screen position? 13:22:37 *** Mukke [n=Mukke@x1-6-00-02-1e-f6-09-41.k607.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 13:22:49 <LadyHawk> oh nm 13:22:53 <Celestar> LadyHawk: still removed. 13:22:53 <LadyHawk> didnt read >< 13:23:04 <Celestar> I hope KUDr is making progress. 13:23:07 <LadyHawk> aww 13:23:28 <LadyHawk> me too then, i like PBS 13:23:42 <Celestar> me too. 13:23:45 <Brianetta> I like elrails more 13:23:47 <Celestar> but there were many problems with it. 13:24:01 <Celestar> Brianetta: elrails are doing nice progress on my end ;) 13:24:06 <LadyHawk> i only knew of a few.. 13:24:09 <Tefad> ok time for powernap then dentist appt 13:24:18 <Tefad> (should it be the other way around?) 13:24:21 <Brianetta> Celestar: Get some new binaries released so that I can update my server 13:24:22 <LadyHawk> and another newb question im sure you guys have had a lot.. how's the new graphics coming? 13:24:32 <LadyHawk> as far as i remember i thought it was said the new graphics would be in this release 13:24:35 <Celestar> Brianetta: I cannot release binaries, other people will have to do that. 13:24:47 <Brianetta> Poke TrueLight (: 13:24:55 <Celestar> LadyHawk: somehow alltaken disappeared. 13:25:30 *** Smoky555 [n=Smoky555@sagitta.internal.vlink.ru] has left #openttd [] 13:25:36 <LadyHawk> so everything you guys had is gone? or is there still someone working on it? 13:25:52 <peter1138> we never had any graphics, heh 13:25:53 <Celestar> LadyHawk: I'm not sure. 13:26:07 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7D7D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:12 <LadyHawk> setback :( 13:26:19 <Brianetta> There's progress in the forum 13:26:24 <Brianetta> but it's slow and slow 13:27:32 <Celestar> well, still lacking manpower 13:33:08 <Matt-W> Need artists! 13:34:00 <Celestar> Matt-W: you do? ;:) 13:34:05 <CIA-5> tron * r3990 /trunk/road_cmd.c: Remove another call to FindLandscapeHeight() 13:34:21 <Matt-W> Celestar: no, you do! 13:34:46 <Matt-W> I'm way way way way WAY before any sort of artistic requirement at the moment 13:35:59 <Matt-W> but OpenTTD needs artists for our own graphics set 13:36:24 <peter1138> can you draw a typeface? 13:36:29 <peter1138> we need that kind of stuff too 13:36:38 <Celestar> why not use common fonts? 13:36:51 <peter1138> well, could do 13:37:04 <Noldo> Matt-W: artists that don't have trouble with gpl are harder to come by than coders 13:37:07 <Matt-W> can't draw a typeface 13:37:19 <Matt-W> Noldo: yeah, true 13:40:09 *** AciD [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 13:43:14 <Celestar> peter1138: when will you get home from work? 13:43:36 <peter1138> in about 4 hours 13:44:17 <Celestar> that's almost as bad as me :P 13:45:47 <Celestar> Tron_: SYN 13:45:56 <Tron> hm? 13:46:57 <Celestar> Tron_: I've tested my diff in about 150 different situations, and found no problem .. 13:47:25 <Celestar> so I believe it works. 13:48:03 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:48:25 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: do you maintain the Flyspray stuff? 13:53:41 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:37 <Celestar> ok WHY isn'T this stupid AI building trains :S 13:54:50 <Matt-W> because it's stupid? 13:57:54 *** Hinrik [n=gfhfgh@ns.hax.is] has joined #openttd 13:58:58 <peter1138> Celestar: in elrails? 13:59:01 <peter1138> or just normal... heh 13:59:05 <Celestar> peter1138: yeah, working on it. 14:00:01 <peter1138> because the arrays in landscape_const.h don't take account of the new railtype 14:00:06 <peter1138> (perhaps) 14:00:11 <peter1138> i have a fix for this 14:00:27 <Celestar> it builds elrails. 14:00:49 <peter1138> yes 14:01:07 <Celestar> AH! 14:01:28 <peter1138> simple fix: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/aiwagonel.diff 14:01:36 <peter1138> better fix: http://195.112.37.102/ottd/aiwagon2.diff 14:02:02 * SimonRC hopes that you guys knew what you were doing whe you wrote the pre-signalling code 14:02:19 <SimonRC> I've just built a block with 3 entrances and 4 exits 14:02:29 <Brianetta> SimonRC: Feek free to test it. 14:02:29 <peter1138> the better fix makes it choose based on vehicle information instead of using the magic tables 14:02:34 <SimonRC> intertwined in the most ridiculous manner 14:02:35 <peter1138> hence it also works with newgrf wagons 14:03:01 * Brianetta rebuilds his server at 3990 14:03:06 <Celestar> ok 14:03:07 <Brianetta> That'll shut bobingabout up. 14:05:13 <Celestar> peter1138: did you ever TEST that patch? 14:05:42 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:06:32 <Celestar> peter1138: wee it works 14:07:40 <Celestar> bah 14:07:51 <Celestar> the AI is really sometimes overdoing the factories. 14:07:58 <Celestar> 5 trains for a 90/90 farm :S 14:08:19 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:10:17 *** sign_de [i=sign@i577B01FB.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:10:45 *** sign_de [n=sign@i577B241F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:11:24 <peter1138> Celestar: which patch? 14:12:26 <Jang-> i loathe playing with AI 14:12:48 <Jang-> in fact, the single worst thing in Loco (for me) was the AI 14:12:56 <peter1138> no 14:13:02 <Jang-> oh, and the signalling :/ 14:13:06 <peter1138> the worst thing in Loco was... err... can i have a list? 14:13:19 <Jang-> and the fact that the processor was always running at 100% 14:13:36 <Jang-> man, Loco could have been so good 14:13:53 <Jang-> except for a list as long as both of our arms combined 14:15:12 <Diablo-D3> http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2006/03/what-would-neil-gaiman-do.html 14:16:05 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 14:16:13 <LadyHawk> i hate the roller coaster tycoon type building of the stuff 14:16:31 <Diablo-D3> LadyHawk: heh 14:16:34 <peter1138> i dunno, the ttdpatch version of that works 14:16:37 <peter1138> er, works ok 14:16:37 <Diablo-D3> thats the part of rollercoaster tycoon I like 14:16:43 <peter1138> but in lomo it sucked 14:16:58 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:17:31 <LadyHawk> in roller coaster tycoon i think it's neccessary to have it like that cuz it gives you some idea of where the rollercoaster goes.. but in locomotion.. it's just plain annoying 14:17:46 <Diablo-D3> locomotion, however, sucks 14:17:52 <Diablo-D3> and it isnt a chris sawyer game 14:17:58 <Diablo-D3> and afaik he hates it too 14:21:42 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 14:22:23 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:22:50 <blathijs> LadyHawk: In rollercoaster tycoon it works because the coaster can only go one way 14:22:58 <Diablo-D3> blathijs: actually 14:22:59 <Diablo-D3> two ways 14:23:16 <blathijs> Diablo-D3: You know what I mean 14:23:27 <Diablo-D3> well, Im not sure what you meant 14:23:41 <blathijs> rollercoasters have no junctinos 14:23:44 <Diablo-D3> ahh. 14:23:48 <blathijs> s/ino/ion 14:23:53 <Diablo-D3> yeah, that'd be bad 14:24:09 <Diablo-D3> speaking of which 14:24:12 <Diablo-D3> I need to work on segal more 14:24:16 <blathijs> which is the sole reason the building style works out.. 14:24:25 <peter1138> what is segal? 14:25:13 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 14:25:30 <Diablo-D3> Simple Enhanced Game Assembly Layer 14:25:51 <peter1138> Celestar? 14:25:56 <Diablo-D3> basically, I want to take sdl, mash it up, add tons of shit 14:26:06 <Diablo-D3> and then turn it into something that allows me to take over the world. 14:28:07 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:29:48 <peter1138> sounds like a plan 14:29:56 <Diablo-D3> yeah 14:29:58 <Diablo-D3> see 14:30:03 <Diablo-D3> the problem with sdl, imo, is the lack of OO 14:30:15 <Diablo-D3> but everyone's answer to that is their lameass c++ fetishes 14:30:26 <Diablo-D3> LOLZ LETS WRAP SDL WITH C++ AND CALL IT TOTALSHIT (tm)! 14:30:57 <Diablo-D3> So, yeah, instead, I'm basically rewritting SDL in objc, and making the internals modular enough to be able to extend with a simple plugin system 14:30:58 <Vornicus> I use SDL in C++, but I don't do much low-level wrapping of it. 14:31:10 <Diablo-D3> Vornicus: theres lots of fucking morons that do 14:31:22 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35042.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:26 <Diablo-D3> forgetting that using a C api in apps is a perfectly valid way of doing c++ apps. 14:31:43 <Diablo-D3> people who use c++, on the whole, are fucking idiots. 14:32:13 <peter1138> heh 14:32:20 <Diablo-D3> So, hopefully, by finishing segal, and making it popular, I'll make a whole generation of objc coders. 14:32:31 * KUDr_wrk is fucking idiot 14:32:37 <Diablo-D3> You know why objc rocks, btw? 14:32:38 <Vornicus> I use C++ because it allows me to think the way I think. 14:32:47 <Diablo-D3> Its thought out like C is 14:32:50 <Vornicus> ObjC doesn't rock. 14:32:55 <Diablo-D3> you have to actually work at it to do something stupid. 14:33:07 <Vornicus> It is slapped together and inconsistent, even more than C++ is. 14:33:13 <Diablo-D3> Vornicus: lol? 14:33:21 <Diablo-D3> objc was designed by someone who actually knows how languages work. 14:33:26 <Vornicus> So was C++. 14:33:31 <Diablo-D3> not really 14:33:36 * peter1138 discovers more food 14:33:41 <Diablo-D3> C++ was designed by someone who hates the computer industry. 14:33:46 <Vornicus> ObjC was written by somebody who had a Smalltalk fetish. 14:33:53 <Diablo-D3> whats wrong with smalltalk? 14:34:06 <Diablo-D3> smalltalk is widely held as one of the best OO designs. 14:34:16 <Tron> guys, language wars over there please ---> 14:34:24 <Diablo-D3> where ---> is ##oss-politics 14:34:28 <Diablo-D3> and yes, the channel exists 14:34:41 <Tron> then flame there 14:34:47 <peter1138> double # ? hm 14:35:31 <peter1138> oh, another lilo-ism i guess 14:36:04 <Vornicus> frankly though, I don't like ObjC for the same reason I don't like PL/SQL: it feels like it wants to be two entirely different languages. I don't like C++ much either, but at least it feels like one language. 14:36:10 <Diablo-D3> peter1138: yeah =/ 14:36:20 <Diablo-D3> Vornicus: thats why I hate c++ 14:36:28 <Diablo-D3> it tries to OO in a C syntax style 14:36:31 <Diablo-D3> and totally fucks it up. 14:39:18 <Vornicus> In any case. C++ is used a lot, and because it's used a lot, it will continue to be used a lot. I like it because I can think in it, unlike C, unlike Java. though really I do my thinking in Python, but I can't use that because nobody gets the libraries right. 14:39:40 <Diablo-D3> Well, Im the exact opposite 14:39:45 <Diablo-D3> I cant think in C++ 14:39:46 <Diablo-D3> it makes no sense 14:42:27 * tokai likes oop in c :) 14:42:43 <Vornicus> and folks like tokai just plain /scare/ me. 14:43:14 <tokai> well.. c++ is ugly.. and objc is not available for morphos :) 14:45:20 <tokai> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/morphosambient/ambient/renamewinclass.c?view=markup <- it is usable imho (oop in c with macros) 14:46:41 <Diablo-D3> tokai: doesnt morpos use gcc? 14:46:57 <tokai> yes. 14:47:05 <Diablo-D3> then it can use objc. 14:47:26 <tokai> well.. noone tried and prolly will not work together with os includes:) 14:47:42 <tokai> everything is c based anyway. 14:47:52 <Diablo-D3> ... so? 14:47:52 <tokai> system and minds of his developers:) 14:47:58 <Diablo-D3> objc requires a c based os =P 14:48:12 <Diablo-D3> but yeah, all you do is compile gcc with objc support enabled, and use gnu's objc runtime 14:49:38 <tokai> worth a try if some time is left:) 14:53:45 <Brianetta> Is thre any way to check out an SVN source tree as a tarball? I can't SVN as such through this firewall. 14:57:54 <DarkSSH> Brianetta: nightly source 14:58:03 <Brianetta> DarkSSH: Elrails. 14:58:13 <Diablo-D3> hah hah you said El. 14:58:27 <Brianetta> *whoosh* 14:58:37 <Brianetta> That was what you just said, as it went over my head. 14:58:40 <DarkSSH> hmm 14:58:45 <DarkSSH> Brianetta: if you gimma minute 14:59:05 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 14:59:06 <Brianetta> wait 14:59:14 <Brianetta> I can check it out on my server and then SFTP it 14:59:29 <Diablo-D3> hah hah you said SFTP 14:59:41 * Brianetta throws a peanut to Diablo-D3 14:59:53 * Diablo-D3 ducks 15:00:14 <Brianetta> You don't want peanut? Have a banana. 15:00:16 <DarkSSH> Brianetta: want SVN info as well? 15:00:24 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:00:35 <Brianetta> DarkSSH: No, I'm just trying to build a one-off client at work. Very naughty. 15:00:46 <DarkSSH> ok 15:00:49 <Brianetta> I can get it by SFTP 15:01:15 <Diablo-D3> Brianetta: Im allergic to peanuts =/ 15:01:46 <DarkSSH> http://darkvater.homei.net/~tfarago/openttd-r3990-elrail.tar.bz2 15:01:51 <Brianetta> (: 15:01:53 <Brianetta> yey 15:01:54 <Brianetta> tvm 15:02:10 <Diablo-D3> whats an elrail anyhow? 15:02:25 <Brianetta> a rail that carries coulombs 15:02:31 <Diablo-D3> ? 15:02:40 <Brianetta> lots of coulombs 15:03:08 <SimonRC> How about a "leave station when another train of this type enters or when full" option? 15:03:26 <Hinrik> Diablo-D3: electric railway 15:03:31 <Diablo-D3> ahh. 15:03:35 <Diablo-D3> openttd has that now? 15:03:40 <Brianetta> It's a branch 15:03:48 <Brianetta> but it's coming on really quickly 15:03:51 <Brianetta> Celestar's leading it 15:05:08 * Brianetta peruses the changelog 15:08:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 15:08:25 <Matt-W> Hmm there was disliking of C++ going on while I wasn't looking 15:08:29 <Matt-W> I'm very disappointed 15:09:37 <Vornicus> SimonRC: I have been begging for that for ages. 15:10:02 <peter1138> Matt-W: do it! 15:10:08 <peter1138> Matt-W: got any plans yet? 15:10:11 <DarkSSH> which remind me 15:10:23 <DarkSSH> Matt-W: if you are serious, don't hesitate for a branch/ 15:10:26 <Brianetta> Hmm, game load failed 15:10:29 * Brianetta starts fresh 15:10:38 <Diablo-D3> hrm 15:10:42 <Matt-W> Am serious, just finishing off something else first, which should be done this week or next 15:10:47 <Diablo-D3> you know what I wanna do at some point? 15:11:01 <Diablo-D3> make bigger maps useful 15:11:39 <Brianetta> Define useulf. 15:11:41 <Brianetta> er 15:11:45 <Brianetta> Define useful. 15:12:05 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:20:16 <SpComb> hmm 15:20:25 <SpComb> freenode > quakenet 15:21:17 <Vornicus> cheese > crackers 15:21:40 <Diablo-D3> but cheese goes well with crackers. 15:21:46 <Vornicus> yes. 15:21:53 <Vornicus> does freenode go well with quakenet? 15:21:55 <Diablo-D3> freenode doesnt go well with quakenet 15:22:18 <Vornicus> oh. 15:22:20 <Vornicus> dang. 15:22:28 <Matt-W> cheese + crackers > either by itself 15:23:09 <Celestar> back 15:23:10 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 15:23:41 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:35 <Matt-W> I got another friend playing OpenTTD 15:25:50 <Matt-W> unfortunately he was having trouble making money with coal trucks unloading at a steel mill 15:26:03 <Diablo-D3> rotfl. 15:26:12 <Diablo-D3> why the hell would he do that? 15:26:22 <Matt-W> because steel mills need to heat the ore 15:26:30 <Matt-W> it's logical,e xcept that he forgot to check with the game if it was right 15:26:31 <Diablo-D3> but that requires openttd to be intelligent. 15:26:46 <Matt-W> well no, it would just require us to code steel mills to accept coal 15:27:16 <Diablo-D3> but that'd be lame 15:28:11 <Matt-W> not necessarily 15:28:29 <Celestar> great 15:28:34 *** Torrasque [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 15:29:08 <Matt-W> after redirecting his lorreis to a power station he started making a profit though, and was happy 15:29:38 <Diablo-D3> hah you said lorries 15:29:51 <Matt-W> ...and? 15:30:11 <Diablo-D3> thats british! 15:30:20 <Matt-W> Well that would be because I am British 15:30:33 <Diablo-D3> hah you're british! 15:31:06 <Matt-W> hah you're an idiot! 15:31:24 <Matt-W> that's just ridiculous, really 15:31:59 <Diablo-D3> Yeah, me being an idiot really is a ridiculous notion. Tea and scones anyone? 15:32:44 * SimonRC finds out that removing a little track can improve his train network greatly. 15:33:18 <Diablo-D3> <Brianetta> Define useful. 15:33:27 <Diablo-D3> rail costs half as much 15:33:33 <Diablo-D3> trains go twice as fast 15:33:37 <Diablo-D3> map is twice as big 15:33:41 <Matt-W> SimonRC: don't get too enthusiastic, you need to keep some of it 15:34:03 <Diablo-D3> half as many resources 15:34:06 <Diablo-D3> half as many towns 15:35:54 *** Xeryus|school is now known as XeryusTC 15:35:59 * peter1138 attempts to learn c++ 15:37:04 <Matt-W> aaah C++. Tis fun, but you'll tear all your hair out a few times 15:37:07 <Matt-W> Especially with templates 15:37:16 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:37:19 <MeusH> trebla 15:37:21 <MeusH> hi 15:39:43 *** `Prof [n=profjt@host81-156-251-199.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:08 *** Torrasque [n=chatzill@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:46:30 *** sign_de [n=sign@i577B241F.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:47:04 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 15:53:47 *** HackyKid [i=Hackykid@dyn-105045.nbw.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 15:54:26 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 15:54:28 <guru3> Bjarni: OS X 10.2.8 inspired art: http://electricpotential.net/graphicblog/images/10.2.8.png 15:54:45 <Matt-W> peter1138: has your brain exploded yet? 15:54:58 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.199] has joined #openttd 15:56:26 *** FauxFaux| [n=faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 15:58:21 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:58:34 *** stefan [i=stefan@home.stefan.id.au] has joined #openttd 16:00:54 <peter1138> no 16:01:15 <peter1138> not yet 16:02:31 <`Prof> Hehe. 16:02:59 *** HackyKid [i=Hackykid@dyn-105045.nbw.tue.nl] has quit [] 16:04:13 <Matt-W> peter1138: that's encouraging 16:06:00 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@collaredlory2.hornet.uea.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 16:08:42 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:17 *** copperc0re [n=copperco@dpc691923210.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:07 *** Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Rubidium, mouse, vondel, Zerot, coppercore, ED|Sleep, KUDr_wrk, Hendikins, michi_cc, FauxFaux|, (+11 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 16:12:25 *** Netsplit over, joins: yanek, @MiHaMiX, FauxFaux|, C-Otto, MrRexxie, A1win, Wolfensteijn, KUDr_wrk, Hendikins, mouse (+8 more) 16:13:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B73F3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:58 *** Rexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2240.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:16:07 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 16:18:12 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tsch??"] 16:18:34 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:19:04 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has quit ["do coders dream of sheep()?"] 16:19:19 *** Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@pool-64-222-243-87.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:32 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.199] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:20:07 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@pcsousek.fit.vutbr.cz] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:20:33 *** KUDr_wrk [n=KUDr@pcsousek.fit.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 16:20:40 <CIA-5> belugas * r3991 /trunk/table/town_land.h: -Fix : Last remaining separation of SpriteID from Palette 16:24:13 * SimonRC likes Yate Haugan. 16:25:55 *** MrRexxie [n=rexxars@ti131310a080-2240.bb.online.no] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:26:03 <SimonRC> Although they're all horribly old by 2015 16:26:08 <SimonRC> and keep breaking down 16:27:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> what is a yate haugan again?` 16:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> (i never got used to those screwed up names) 16:27:35 <SimonRC> Concorde. 16:27:53 <SimonRC> Yate Haugan is a much better name IMHO. 16:28:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> is that supposed to mean anything? 16:28:36 <DarkSSH> hmm what is the SQL command to get all the tables in a database? 16:28:41 <SimonRC> well, it is made by the Yate Aircraft company, IIRC> 16:28:43 <SimonRC> . 16:28:47 <Tron> there is no such SQL command 16:28:55 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-202-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:29:04 <Tron> it depends on the RDMS you're using 16:29:05 <DarkSSH> hmm, internal stored procedure then? 16:29:10 <DarkSSH> mysql 16:29:10 <Tron> nope 16:29:10 <SimonRC> The Dinger 1000 looks much uglier. 16:29:22 <Tron> dunno, look in the docu how you get this information 16:29:33 <DarkSSH> ;0 16:29:35 <DarkSSH> ;) 16:30:10 <DarkSSH> Tron: reminds me. I had Bjarni test my iconv patch and het gets at times an error 92 from iconv() ENOPROT or something 'no protocol'? Any idea what that might be 16:30:36 <DarkSSH> also my iconv (at home) expects a non-const inbuf 16:30:37 <DarkSSH> tfarago@Arrakis:~> iconv --version 16:30:37 <DarkSSH> iconv (GNU libc) 2.3.4 16:31:06 <Tron> as i said: it's a bug in glibc 16:31:47 <Tron> 92 is EPROTO 16:32:08 <SimonRC> ah, another problem: Cloned aircraft really should have shared orders. 16:32:11 <DarkSSH> but what error? 16:32:25 <Prof_Frink> SimonRC: I believe ctrl-clone shares orders 16:32:32 <DarkSSH> he could convert all files nicely except for 'ao' it was I believe 16:32:38 <Prof_Frink> much as ctrl-goto shares 16:32:45 <Tron> iconv isn't supposed to generate that error 16:32:59 <DaleStan> Do any other vehicles share orders when cloning? (Or do aircraft not copy orders either?) 16:33:11 <Tron> did the function return something to indicate an error? otherwise the value of errno is stale 16:33:20 <DarkSSH> Tron: well yes that's what puzzled me, don't see it in man 16:33:30 <DarkSSH> it returned (size_t)(-1) 16:33:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B77160.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:35:12 <Tron> i'd need to see the code. i have no time to investigate on the problem atm 16:36:45 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:03 <Celestar> Tron: DarkSSH shall I commit that fix now or not? 16:37:22 <DarkSSH> Tron: it's ok. I'll bring it up later, no time for ottd :( 16:37:43 <DarkSSH> Celestar: shit, haven't tested it. But I'll trust you on thisone 16:37:59 <Celestar> DarkSSH: if not, you can still commit a fix-fix-fix ;) 16:38:05 <Celestar> because this one is a fix-fix 16:38:24 <peter1138> mysql has "show tables" for that 16:38:42 <DarkSSH> peter1138: yes I hoped it was that..but it isn't cause I am using hsqldb 16:38:44 <DarkSSH> but found it 16:38:47 <DarkSSH> \dt 16:39:31 <peter1138> oh, i was imagining you saying mysql then :) 16:39:39 <Tron> Celestar: couldn't test it. well, if it works at least it is good enough for the release 16:39:48 <DarkSSH> peter1138: no 16:39:49 <Tron> \dt - psql uses that, too 16:40:01 <Tron> 17:29 < DarkSSH> mysql 16:40:28 <DarkSSH> thought it would be the same syntax ;p 16:40:40 <Celestar> Tron: I DO hope so. 16:41:05 *** glx [n=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 16:42:29 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: yes, i do 16:42:31 <Belugas> "show tables name" in Interbase looks like "SELECT RDB$RELATION_NAME FROM RDB$RELATIONS WHERE RDB$SYSTEM_FLAG = 0" 16:43:10 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: can you set me as admin somewhere? 16:43:26 <DarkSSH> Celestar: go, commit 16:43:51 <CIA-5> celestar * r3992 /trunk/ (clear_cmd.c rail_cmd.c tile.c tile.h viewport.c): 16:43:51 <CIA-5> -Fix: Rewrote the code to determine whether a rail-tile can be terraformed. 16:43:51 <CIA-5> Fixes a bug where you could terraform a tunnel (fixed by r3228, but reverted that one) 16:43:51 <CIA-5> Fixes a bug introduced by r3228 which allowed steep rail tiles resulting in ... unwanted effects such as display artifacts. 16:43:51 <CIA-5> That means the terraform feature should not work as intended; it also uses _valid_tileh_slopes to determine valid configurations instead of hand-brewn stuff. 16:43:54 <CIA-5> TODO: _terraform_err_tile and similar TileIndices should have INVALID_TILE as "unused", not 0. (0 is a valid tile). 16:44:19 *** xgkkp [n=xgkkp@user-7742.l3.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [] 16:44:22 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: maybe :D 16:44:22 *** `Prof [n=profjt@host81-156-251-199.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 16:46:13 *** iridium [n=iridium@host-84-9-199-177.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 16:46:28 <Tron> Celestar: "... terraform feature should _not_ work as intended ..." 16:46:36 <Celestar> ARGGGHHH 16:46:41 <Celestar> I should type more slowly :S 16:46:53 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:47:34 <CIA-5> celestar * r3993 /branch/elrail/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [elrail] Made the AI elrail-aware. Instead of fixed tables, use a function to find the optimal vehicle (peter1138) 16:47:34 <Prof_Frink> Ooh, nearly at r4k 16:47:36 <Celestar> ok I'm going home. 16:47:51 <Celestar> thanks peter1138 for that one 16:48:04 <Celestar> cu later 16:49:49 <MiHaMiX> Celestar: you are admin now 16:50:46 <Belugas> MiHaMiX, did you received my email? 16:50:57 <MiHaMiX> Belugas: yes, i did, now i'm reading it 16:51:03 <Belugas> ok 16:51:04 *** TrueLight [n=kvirc@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:52:27 <Celestar> MiHaMiX: thanks 16:52:42 <Celestar> Tron: DarkSSH: please report any found problems to my e-mail or dump it here. 16:55:01 <DarkSSH> kk 17:07:32 <DarkSSH> j203j423 17:10:33 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:17:24 *** johnny83 [n=chatzill@P0851.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 17:18:16 <Tron> Celestar: look at the edge of the map 17:21:17 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176116209.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:21:30 <Tron> Celestar: i guess the change to viewport.c wasn't inteded to be commited 17:25:56 *** johnny83 [n=chatzill@P0851.p.pppool.de] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]"] 17:31:10 *** Jang- [n=Jango@mettab.demon.co.uk] has quit ["Using KVIrc 3.0.1 'System Virtue'"] 17:33:47 *** MagicJohn [n=profjt@host81-156-251-199.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:11 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has joined #openttd 17:36:16 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35042.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:37:58 <Tron> quit 17:38:00 *** Tron [n=tron@p54A3D9D5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 17:38:41 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC843BD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:06 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:42:07 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:33 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:42 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.199] has joined #openttd 18:12:30 <peter1138> lol, that's a nice pattern :) 18:28:54 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:29:01 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:32:19 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 18:33:09 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:04 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:41:18 *** Coder`TuX [n=codertux@85.204.17.98] has quit ["Windows, the best game ever: Try to see how many blue screens you can get per hour and then try to beat that record!"] 18:42:56 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:49:16 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:49:19 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:50:23 *** FauxFaux [n=faux@fana.vm.bytemark.co.uk] has quit ["FauxFaux|, you take the point!"] 18:50:27 *** FauxFaux| is now known as FauxFaux 19:01:22 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 19:01:28 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 19:01:54 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:04:35 *** ED|Sleep [n=new2linu@68-232-89-85.chvlva.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:43 *** ED|Sleep is now known as EternalDecoy 19:05:47 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:10:07 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:45 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 19:15:08 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 19:15:11 <MeusH> hi 19:20:18 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC843BD.ipt.aol.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:21:25 *** Born_Acorn [n=bornacor@ACC843BD.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 19:30:07 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:32:04 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 19:32:24 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:33:41 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:37:03 *** RoySmeding [i=1000@c514451cb.cable.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:39:12 *** Patrick` [n=pitt2@i-195-137-14-213.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:32 <Patrick`> minimum profit for vehicles over 2 years old: is that total lifelong profit or "profit last year" ? 19:39:38 <Patrick`> in calculating ratings 19:39:53 <Patrick`> 'cause I have some trains that take 2 years to do a cargo cycle 19:40:06 <Patrick`> *player ratings 19:47:01 *** Stumo [i=stjm2@student.cusu.cam.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:48:02 <peter1138> profit last year 19:49:07 <SimonRC> Darnit, you guys/gals/other are almost as omniconsiderant as the Nethack Dev Team. 19:49:25 <Patrick`> well, that blows it 19:49:39 <Patrick`> mogul status requires me to not have any trains that take more than 1 year per cycle 19:49:46 * SimonRC has just found the "wagon removal" option for engine replacement. 19:49:48 <Patrick`> which means carefully balancing numbers of trains per status 19:50:01 <Patrick`> SimonRC: yeah, it made my day when I got it 19:50:11 <Patrick`> autoreplace was still buggered when I went on hiatus last year 19:50:18 <Patrick`> Bjarni: good work, btw 19:50:49 <SimonRC> Another thing to consider is a better depot-namign system. 19:51:49 <SimonRC> "Brentwood Train Depot #4" is rather clearer than "Brentwood Train Depot" 19:52:01 <SimonRC> (I don't have a bug-tracking account :-( ) 19:52:26 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:52:43 <Bjarni> Patrick`: you have no idea how hard it was to code 19:52:56 <Bjarni> and neither did I when I started :s 19:53:20 <Patrick`> Bjarni: still, thank god 19:53:40 <Patrick`> the realisation that anyone hard core enough to use autoreplace is using homogenous trains *anyway* 19:53:48 <peter1138> claiming all the glory, eh? :p 19:54:01 <Patrick`> other than my amusing "whoops, 900 tons of grain" incident 19:54:06 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:54:18 *** iridium is now known as iridium`nh 19:56:19 <SimonRC> Patrick`: what happened there? 19:59:27 <Bjarni> he got 900 tons of grain capacity instead of what he wanted 19:59:30 <Bjarni> it seems 19:59:39 <Bjarni> maybe it lacked refitting :p 20:01:22 <SimonRC> I recall a phrase I saw somewhere: "A game is just a database with a pretty front-end." 20:01:41 <SimonRC> OTTD needs transactioning. 20:01:43 <SimonRC> :-) 20:02:04 <SimonRC> (I know, complete re-write, hence the smiley.) 20:03:20 <SimonRC> what's the source like? 20:04:00 <SimonRC> I was thinking I could beef up the tree randomisation algorithm, which produces distinctly stripy results ATM. 20:04:16 <SimonRC> (Tree-planting, that is) 20:05:20 <Bjarni> well 20:05:25 <Tron> Bjarni: write an a with a circle above (å) into a text file and send the file to me, please 20:05:26 <Bjarni> the source if full of C code 20:05:40 <Bjarni> ok 20:07:35 <Bjarni> Tron: DarkSSH just managed to write a piece of code, that converts test UTF->ISO->UTF that works 20:08:08 <Bjarni> Tron: are you trying to do the same? 20:08:09 <Tron> hm, that's a normal å, not the combining version 20:08:12 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:08:27 <Tron> i'd just use iconv (the program, not the library) to do this 20:09:27 <Bjarni> hmm 20:09:36 <Bjarni> can't get it to give me the combined one 20:09:51 <Bjarni> yet "cat å" opens the file å 20:10:22 <Tron> well, he said you had a file which failed to convert 20:10:38 <Bjarni> yeah, but then he changed the code a little and now it just works 20:10:44 <Bjarni> I can't get it to fail again 20:11:06 <Tron> he told a different story 20:11:10 <Bjarni> the question is why that change since he didn't change anything 20:11:30 <Tron> he said once you wrote your own test file, which failed to convert 20:11:40 <Tron> and then he sent you a test file, which worked 20:12:12 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:12:14 <Tron> could you please tell me what's the correct story? 20:12:51 <Bjarni> it's correct but after I got his file, it started working for my own files as well o_O 20:13:06 <Bjarni> and the code should do the same, but somehow it's different 20:14:33 <Tron> what you're telling makes no sense to me 20:14:42 <Tron> either it is different or not 20:15:05 <Bjarni> yeah, it makes no sense 20:15:19 <Bjarni> I guess he did change something 20:15:35 <Bjarni> maybe without realising it 20:16:07 <Bjarni> #ifdef CORRECT_ICONV 20:16:07 <Bjarni> #undef CORRECT_ICONV 20:16:07 <Bjarni> #define CORRECT_ICONV const 20:16:07 <Bjarni> #else 20:16:07 <Bjarni> #define CORRECT_ICONV 20:16:08 <Bjarni> #endif 20:16:12 <Bjarni> he added this 20:16:40 <Bjarni> so it defined const if -DCORRECT_ICONV is used 20:16:53 <Bjarni> and then it just worked after I used that argument 20:17:52 <Tron> the other version simply fails to compile 20:23:41 <Patrick`> Bjarni: close 20:23:50 <Patrick`> I had a train with 5 livestock, 2 grain 20:23:56 <Patrick`> it was fine for the production values 20:24:03 <Patrick`> but when I refit and lost half the grain capacity ... 20:24:09 <Patrick`> it built up 20:24:52 <SimonRC> ah 20:25:13 *** MagicJohn [n=profjt@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has left #openttd [] 20:25:13 *** MagicJohn [n=profjt@unaffiliated/magicjohn] has joined #openttd 20:26:04 <Patrick`> that's a minority, 90% of my farm trains are homogeneous anyway 20:26:09 <Patrick`> and obviously the rest are as well 20:34:32 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 20:36:26 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 20:36:34 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:36:46 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 20:46:58 *** DJ_Mirage [n=djmirage@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:57:19 *** RichK__ [n=RichK@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 20:58:09 <RichK__> hi - is brianetta alive tonite? 20:58:35 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B35042.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:45 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [i=johekr@p54B73F3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:05:54 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:06:36 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:45 <Brianetta> he is 21:09:03 <RichK__> hi 21:09:10 <RichK__> did you get my PM? 21:09:37 <Brianetta> I *just* did 21:09:46 <Brianetta> OK 21:09:51 <Brianetta> which version? 21:09:59 <Brianetta> nightly or stable? 21:10:06 <RichK__> its nightly ish 21:10:11 <RichK__> brb 21:10:22 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:10:43 <RichK__> r3992 21:12:10 <Brianetta> Just dicking about with the server... 21:12:24 *** Cheery [i=Henri@a81-197-45-47.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:12:52 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [") td@projectjj.com - http://projectjj.com/ ("] 21:13:00 <RichK__> hmm... bombs in 3993 21:13:15 <RichK__> SlGetoffs error 21:15:32 <Patrick`> request that the savegame compression thread be lower priority 21:15:36 <Patrick`> the game stutters during saving 21:15:46 *** _Red is now known as Red 21:16:24 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 21:17:03 <Brianetta> You want 3992? 21:17:16 <RichK__> i think there may be a big problem 21:17:47 <RichK__> my patch adds entries in the config patches (only used on generate) 21:17:58 <RichK__> i think these get saved now :( 21:18:03 <RichK__> with the scenario 21:18:15 <RichK__> so it wont load unless the patches are identical 21:18:16 <Brianetta> So the clients need altering? 21:18:26 <Brianetta> If it's just the server I can patch it 21:18:31 <RichK__> if so, this is a MEGA snafu 21:19:11 <RichK__> games become no longer interchangeable - scenarios can only be designed in the published game 21:19:24 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #openttd 21:19:30 <MeusH> cu 21:19:32 *** MeusH [n=kvirc@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'"] 21:19:49 *** |Jeroen| [n=jeroen@dD57729A7.access.telenet.be] has quit ["Whoopsy"] 21:21:28 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:22:33 <RichK__> hmm.... fresh 3993, all of my newly generated scenarios bomb 21:23:14 <Brianetta> Major downer 21:23:52 <RichK__> bigger than that... it means ANYTHING generated with ANY patch that has a config setting will NOT load on any other system 21:24:19 <RichK__> unless it is perfectly equally patched 21:24:39 <Patrick`> crikey 21:24:44 <Patrick`> aha 21:24:47 <Patrick`> I KNOW WHY THAT IS 21:24:56 * Brianetta flinches 21:25:02 <Patrick`> someone committed a patch that stopped savegames from overriding your patch settings 21:25:08 <Patrick`> therefore, it must also nail scenarios 21:25:23 <Patrick`> Bjarni: fix it? 21:25:40 <RichK__> that would do it ;) 21:25:57 <Brianetta> So Rich... 21:26:07 <RichK__> lol... yes? :) 21:26:08 <Brianetta> if you want to generate something fresh, go ahead 21:26:20 <Brianetta> Just let me know which rev you want 21:26:25 <Brianetta> and I'll compile it 21:27:00 <RichK__> whole point is it uses TG perlin... unless there is a fix, it wont load to clients.... maybe thats why lots of ppl have been desyncing lately 21:27:27 <Brianetta> You can't just generate a game, then save it? 21:27:41 <RichK__> patch settings in savegame 21:28:01 <Brianetta> So let's get this straight 21:28:12 <Patrick`> you save a game, it used to save patch settings as well 21:28:20 <Brianetta> If you have the wrong settings in your cfg, you can play until you desynch? 21:28:35 <Brianetta> That's a massive retrograde step 21:28:41 <RichK__> nk 21:28:49 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.stb.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:28:55 <Patrick`> anyone with cvs access: comments? 21:30:03 <RichK__> can someone test if ive got it right.... get latest SVN, patch something that has config settings, new game, save. then revert SVN, recompile, and see if it bombs? 21:30:03 <peter1138> hmm 21:30:17 <peter1138> it won't load, because the patch setting is stored in the game 21:30:22 <peter1138> er, savegame 21:30:38 <peter1138> they're bytepacked like everything else 21:30:52 <peter1138> maybe it should be a simple textbased "variable=value" list 21:31:12 <Patrick`> peter, thank god you're here 21:31:13 <Patrick`> take over 21:31:57 <RichK__> lol - sounds like the fix DV had to do to the config patches list ;) 21:32:07 <peter1138> yeah 21:32:34 <RichK__> lol... another RichK "I dont mean to be awkward ... but... " moment ;) 21:33:16 *** ^Cartman^ [n=Eric_Car@ti100710a081-7993.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:34:02 <RichK__> if its bytepacked, does that mean the byte sequence has to be an exact parallel, or it doesnt load? 21:35:29 <peter1138> yes 21:36:11 <RichK__> ouch.. that would be it then! my patch adds 3 extra vars as parameters in the config for the TG Perlin generation 21:36:33 <RichK__> but they are only used at map gen time, so need not even be saved 21:36:38 <peter1138> mmm 21:36:43 <peter1138> irritating 21:36:50 <Patrick`> oh, right, I'm wrong 21:36:53 <RichK__> sorry :) 21:36:57 <Patrick`> well, better luck next time 21:37:00 <Brianetta> (: 21:37:20 <Brianetta> I have a server *poised* to start a UKRS game (: 21:37:26 <Brianetta> Or, to be patched 21:37:34 <RichK__> looks like its a no-go for the moment on testing it 21:37:47 <RichK__> do you want the latest patch to have a look? 21:38:57 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:42:16 *** Cipri [n=cipri@a47034.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:45:58 <Belugas> DaleStan : ping 21:46:02 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 21:46:12 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 21:46:18 <DaleStan> Someone said my name? 21:46:23 <glx> RichK__: can I look your diff? 21:46:26 <Belugas> I did :) 21:46:42 <DaleStan> Of course, I went and closed the window immediately afterwards. 21:47:08 <Brianetta> [21:45] <Belugas> DaleStan : ping 21:47:19 <DaleStan> Belugas: pong 21:47:20 <RichK__> sure 21:47:30 <Belugas> Can you do PM DaleStan? 21:48:09 <glx> RichK__: where is it? 21:48:19 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has joined #OpenTTD 21:48:20 <RichK__> ill pm to you 21:50:07 <RichK__> sorry - trillian vs nortonAV problem... whats your OTTD forums PM id? 21:50:18 <glx> glx 21:50:24 <RichK__> doh 21:50:40 <hylje> captain obvious 21:52:15 <glx> RichK__: reading :) 21:56:10 *** DaleStan_ [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has joined #openttd 21:56:20 *** DaleStan [n=Dale@12-202-240-195.client.insightBB.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:56:26 *** Torrasque [n=jerome@84-74-150-246.dclient.hispeed.ch] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 21:56:45 <Belugas> DaleStan_ : :) That is what I just found. Thanks. I might give it a try, it has been a long time I wanted to un-hardcode airports. Thanks 21:56:58 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 21:56:59 <glx> RichK__: I had a quick look: the 3 patches you add are only for map generation, right? 21:57:32 <RichK__> yup 21:57:55 <glx> so use the 'S' flag for all 21:58:19 <glx> this way they are not saved in the savegame, nor sent through network 21:59:15 <RichK__> ah... interesting... ok... ill mod... nice thing about TGPerlin is that I can enter the same seed and get the same map out again ;) 22:00:09 <glx> if you use ottd randomization, it's normal 22:00:29 <RichK__> yup - should be unchanged 22:00:52 <RichK__> so do i set it to S or to N?? 22:01:08 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B835B4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 22:01:13 <glx> #define S SLF_SAVE_NO | SLF_NETWORK_NO 22:01:17 <glx> so S 22:01:32 <RichK__> okies 22:01:44 <glx> you only save iy in config file 22:01:50 <glx> s/iy/it 22:02:04 <RichK__> lol 22:05:04 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:05:47 <Celestar> hi peops 22:06:23 <glx> RichK__: another little thing, please use tabs at begining of line, and spaces in middle of lines for alignements 22:07:13 <Celestar> any feedback on 3992? 22:09:28 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:25 <RichK__> i always use tabs at start of line - in middle i use tabs generally too... any tabs at start i dont think are me! :) 22:10:32 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 22:11:10 <glx> tabs at start are good, but it's better to use spaces in middle 22:11:35 <RichK__> glx - you are a genius - the S on the two vars makes it load in the nightly :) 22:12:20 <RichK__> brianetta : ping 22:12:30 <Brianetta> pong 22:12:33 <RichK__> hiya 22:12:38 <RichK__> it works in the nightly now 22:12:41 <Brianetta> OK 22:12:44 <RichK__> shall i resend? 22:12:51 <RichK__> r3993 btw 22:12:55 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:13:12 <Celestar> r3992 and r3993 are identical in the trunk 22:13:13 <Brianetta> sarah(brian)~/openttd-svn% svn up pts/7 OK 10:12PM 22:13:13 <Brianetta> At revision 3993. 22:13:41 <Brianetta> Was 3992 the nightly? 22:14:00 <glx> Celestar: yes but the network code don't know that :) 22:14:01 <RichK__> yup - i got r3993, but no comment listed by tortoise for 3993 22:14:09 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-083-102-066-52.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [] 22:14:15 <Celestar> 3993 was in the elrail branch, RichK__ 22:14:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7560A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:54 *** e1ko [n=31k0@a02-0432c.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.67+ [SeaMonkey 1.0/2006013012]"] 22:15:09 * Brianetta compilalates 22:16:37 <RichK__> interesting... when i SVN Update, tortoise reports as "at 3993", but lists messages for 3992.... i didnt realise it sort of reported cross-branches 22:17:50 <RichK__> brianetta - dont compile my patch in, unless you change the use_terragenesis, and oil_refinery_limit vars in settings.c to "S" in 3rd param 22:17:56 <peter1138> branches are just directories in svn 22:18:43 <Celestar> RichK__: that's one of the main difference between svn and cvs 22:19:12 <RichK__> okies... as long as i need not worry about it ;) 22:19:43 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:20:24 *** Zerot_ [i=Zerot@g35026.upc-g.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:22:47 <Celestar> RichK__: you need not ;) 22:24:15 *** Qrrbrbirlbel [n=Qrr@p54A7D7D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:26:04 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.199] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:27:12 *** stavrosg [n=stavrosg@athedsl-20288.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:29:13 <Brianetta> RichK__: Your patch is not compiled in. Game is up with UKRS. 22:29:27 <RichK__> yay... ill be right there.... 22:30:11 * Brianetta compiles himself a client 22:30:18 <RichK__> protected! 22:30:55 <Brianetta> renewal 22:31:00 <RichK__> ahh 22:33:10 <glx> cool assertion failed 22:33:28 <RichK__> hmm... tileh? 22:33:39 <glx> yes something like that 22:33:47 <glx> didn't read it well 22:34:08 <RichK__> try again.... its ok for me so far, but i hate the red "space" 22:36:48 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 22:37:25 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 22:37:55 <glx> and I think I was right :) 22:37:57 <RichK__> glx: you need UKRS for this one 22:37:58 <glx> desync 22:38:28 <RichK__> im using the 10/1/06 build 22:38:42 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:42:26 <glx> I can't find it :( 22:43:03 <RichK__> ill pm it to you 22:43:57 <RichK__> try his website http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/ukrs/download.htm 22:44:04 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-202-066.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 22:44:13 <RichK__> even im not up to date! 22:44:53 <glx> yeah I saw this site but the only available is 13/02/06 22:46:06 <DarkSSH> what's this with the patches problem? 22:46:22 <DarkSSH> consider every patch added to the savegame format as a new savegameversion, which it actually 22:46:25 <DarkSSH> is 22:46:36 <DarkSSH> it is perfectly logical older clients CANNOT load newer versions 22:46:58 <glx> indeed it was a "no need to save" patch 22:47:05 <RichK__> but it prevents scenario creation on anything but vanilla system 22:47:15 <RichK__> true 22:47:20 <DarkSSH> 23:10 < glx> tabs at start are good, but it's better to use spaces in middle <-- correction. MANDATORY to use spaces in middle 22:47:41 <glx> I'm not an official :) 22:47:41 <RichK__> probably 90% RichK foulup... glx sorted vars problem for me 22:48:36 <DarkSSH> RichK__: well you don't need to save the TG-perlin patch setting anyways, so that's no problem :) 22:51:02 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A188.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 22:53:15 <glx> ok there's a bug in small map 22:54:41 <glx> or maybe the map used cause the bug 22:55:08 <Patrick`> glx: what sort of bug? 22:55:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7560A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:55:23 <glx> assert 22:55:46 <Patrick`> is that like the windows version of a segfault or something? 22:55:53 <Brianetta> no 22:55:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7560A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7560A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:55:59 <Patrick`> ah 22:56:07 <Patrick`> so it couldn't be the same as the ones I know about then 22:56:11 <glx> it only segfault if I ignore it :) 22:56:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [i=johekr@p54B7560A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:29 <Patrick`> what circumstances does it happen in? 22:57:30 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:57:47 <RichK__> we're reloading the map... it wasnt UKRS saved, so we were missing engines 22:58:08 <RichK__> brianetta : new map on its way in PM 22:58:54 <glx> the assert only happens in this network game 22:59:28 <RichK__> could be a map problem.... if you can get it repeatable, that would be great 22:59:31 <RichK__> ish 23:00:06 <glx> when I move in the smallmap in land owner mode 23:00:08 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:24 <RichK__> interesting 23:01:05 <RichK__> ahh... i wonder if the MP_VOID at the edge has got snaffed 23:01:46 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bed 23:02:17 *** Andrew67 [n=andrew67@206.248.80.199] has joined #openttd 23:02:34 <glx> yeah easy to reproduce 23:02:52 <RichK__> wowsers!! i came, you left! 23:03:15 <glx> I have a debug build 23:03:21 <glx> let me track it 23:03:35 <Patrick`> glx: ah 23:03:36 <RichK__> confirmed.... IsTile(MP_VOID).... 23:03:41 <glx> yes 23:03:56 <RichK__> okies... that will be my code... 23:03:57 <glx> weird my debugger crashed 23:06:04 <glx> RichK__: yes it should be your code because I'm unable to reproduce with my games 23:06:37 <RichK__> yeah, im just trying to tie down to either industry location or TGP 23:07:30 <RichK__> tgp 23:10:04 <RichK__> nearly got it 23:10:08 *** Kuja^ [i=Kuja@irc.kuja.in] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:17:28 <Brianetta> glx 23:17:36 <glx> many desync 23:17:36 <Brianetta> http://ppcis.org/nightly 23:17:44 <Brianetta> make sure you have all three grfs 23:17:53 <RichK__> 3 grfs? 23:18:11 <Brianetta> ukrs, hovs and viaduct 23:18:17 <glx> latest version indeed 23:18:34 <glx> RichK__: you send me a wrong grf :) 23:19:01 <RichK__> not having a good night!! 23:20:15 <RichK__> got it... just need to rebuild 23:20:52 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 23:25:43 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:25:52 *** Nubian [n=nubian@mrkvovy.kokotko.sk] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:27:10 <RichK__> darkssh : ping 23:27:56 <glx> it's fun to have maglev in 1948 :) 23:28:35 <RichK__> glx: do you know whether anything has changed about setting the border tiles to MP_VOID? 23:28:50 <RichK__> when i do, it becomes a black space 23:29:00 <DarkSSH> RichK__: I am here but not available for any real discussion sorry :( Struggling with some school stuff atm 23:29:06 <RichK__> okies 23:29:14 <DarkSSH> border tiles were always MP_VOID 23:29:21 <glx> hmm I don't really know about MP_VOID 23:29:39 <RichK__> is it just top/left edge, or all edges? 23:30:12 <DarkSSH> all edges 23:30:12 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-48-88.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:30:15 <DarkSSH> I think 23:30:23 <RichK__> okies 23:30:28 <DarkSSH> don't know honestly :( 23:31:55 <glx> RichK__: MP_VOID, // invisible tiles at the SW and SE border 23:33:03 <RichK__> its weird - my routine that set edges to MP_VOID is now blanking the tiles along SW edge - that causes CTD 23:33:21 <RichK__> yet the routine hasnt changed since all the other working versions of TG 23:33:39 *** LadyHawk- [n=here@82-45-53-147.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:33:40 *** thgergo [n=th_gergo@dsl51B7A188.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:33:50 <RichK__> and is cut/paste from PNGmap patch 23:35:14 *** LadyHawk [n=here@82-45-53-147.cable.ubr02.dudl.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:41:33 <DarkSSH> *pom*pom* OSX now has proper UTF-8 support 23:43:15 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006012600]"] 23:44:08 <DarkSSH> not even a comment? I am apalled 23:46:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i couldn't care less about OSX ;) 23:47:02 * DarkSSH slaps Eddi|zuHause 23:47:03 * Eddi|zuHause slaps DarkSSH back with some suitable device 23:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> that the kind of comment you wished? ;) 23:47:17 <DarkSSH> but this also means that we can have proper UTF-8 filenames for linux 23:47:20 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca226.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:47:29 <DarkSSH> cause right now any saves I make with weird chars just end up like boxen 23:49:51 *** ThePizzaKing [n=chatzill@c211-28-155-206.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:56:37 *** Kuja^ [i=Kuja@irc.kuja.in] has joined #openttd