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00:01:31 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-82-13.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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It was you wasn't it!?"] 03:19:09 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openTTD 03:19:54 <Stixsmaster> hey all i was told by sumone in forums that the nightly version of OTTD is more stable and better and i got it and now i can use more sprites which is nice 03:27:52 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye for now!"] 03:42:10 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176114208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 04:15:34 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openTTD 04:15:43 <Stixsmaster> hey all 04:16:07 <lws1984> howdy 04:16:09 <Stixsmaster> anyone here play the latest nightly version of OTTD online? 04:16:38 <Frostregen> look at ppcis.org/nightly 04:17:52 <Stixsmaster> i know how to play it online its just that when i search for a server to join there are none really that use a the latest nightly version 04:18:23 <Frostregen> this is one server, which is up to date with nightlys 04:19:32 <Stixsmaster> cool do you play on it a lot? 04:19:38 <Frostregen> yes 04:20:01 <Frostregen> it uses a bunch of newGrfs 04:20:23 <Frostregen> (new trains, stations, etc..) 04:20:39 <Frostregen> and good patch settings ;) 04:20:44 <Stixsmaster> cool 04:21:36 <Stixsmaster> im gunna join it soon as soon as i get the necessary grfs and installed 04:21:57 <Frostregen> there's a link to a zipfile on the page 04:22:05 <Frostregen> easiest way to get them all 04:22:38 <Frostregen> even the newgrf section you may just copy&paste into your cfg 04:23:29 <Stixsmaster> yea i know 04:23:34 <Frostregen> k ;) 04:24:48 <Stixsmaster> ok im going to join now 04:24:51 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye for now!"] 04:24:56 <Frostregen> hf ;) 04:30:03 *** k-man__ [n=jason@59.167.24.97] has joined #openttd 04:38:43 *** k-man_ [n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:04:54 *** k-man__ [n=jason@59.167.24.97] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:24:46 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Sleep......"] 05:54:38 *** Osai^2 [n=Osai@p54B376A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:06:56 *** Osai^zZz [n=Osai@p54B3792E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:14:17 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-252.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:00 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 06:54:25 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has quit ["Client exiting"] 06:58:03 <CIA-3> miham * r5461 /trunk/lang/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 06:58:03 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-05 08:57:43 06:58:03 <CIA-3> afrikaans - 79 fixed by TrueTenacity (79) 06:58:03 <CIA-3> bulgarian - 317 fixed, 13 changed by kokobongo (10), groupsky (320) 06:58:03 <CIA-3> finnish - 48 changed by lauri.kajan (48) 06:58:59 <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 95% - 3427 bad strings out of 73528 strings 07:02:39 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:03:20 *** peter1138 [n=peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 07:03:45 <MiHaMiX> peter1138: :) 07:04:55 <peter1138> hello 07:04:56 <peter1138> and bye 07:05:46 <MiHaMiX> ? :) 07:05:50 <MiHaMiX> going to work? 07:17:09 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-49-252.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:17:36 *** GrGene [n=GrGene@ppp-82-135-68-199.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:49 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:24:29 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@64-252-97-254.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 07:31:48 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-109-92.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:32:52 *** Vornotron is now known as Vornicus 07:39:58 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D070.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:41:24 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@69.0.81.120] has joined #openttd 07:51:06 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has joined #openttd 08:01:41 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-97-254.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:02:16 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-97-149.adsl.snet.net] has joined #openttd 08:02:46 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B769DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:05:23 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 08:06:20 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@69.0.81.120] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:07:54 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@69.0.80.89] has joined #openttd 08:12:35 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 08:21:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B76680.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:24:23 *** Vornicus [n=vorn@64-252-97-149.adsl.snet.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:37:33 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 08:41:30 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:42:02 *** peter1138 is now known as petererer 08:42:06 *** petererer is now known as peter1138 08:42:23 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81EBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:45:16 <TL|Away> tokai: yeah, morphos compiled again :) 08:45:34 <TL|Away> just 5 days it didn't, not bad, not bad at all :) 08:53:08 *** Osai is now known as Osai^sunbath 09:01:51 *** Wolfy [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:01:51 *** Wolfensteijn [n=wolf@a61229.upc-a.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:16:55 <peter1138> nobody uses it anyway ;) 09:24:05 <tokai> peter1138: in % system user rarte vs. OpenTTD user rate MorphOS beats a sh*t out of all other OSes. So be careful with your jokes ;) 09:24:25 <peter1138> joke? 09:24:48 <tokai> sure. 09:25:15 <tokai> peter1138: or do u really believe noone is usng the morphos version besides me? 09:25:54 <peter1138> no 09:25:58 <peter1138> there's probably one other 09:26:46 <tokai> sigh.. do u really think 2 ppl are crazy enough to start downloading openttd again and again to fake the sf.net download stats? :) 09:26:59 <TL|Away> tokai: now you mention it: yes :p 09:27:32 <TL|Away> 271 downloads 09:27:33 <TL|Away> lol 09:27:50 <TL|Away> os2 is even downloaded 425 times :o :o 09:27:55 <TL|Away> OSX 4000 times 09:27:56 <TL|Away> amazing :p 09:28:09 <tokai> osx has >9million user base 09:28:17 <tokai> morphos has around 2000 user 09:28:19 <TL|Away> (Against the 80000 who downloaded the windows version :p) 09:28:56 <tokai> i have no idea how many os2 users are out there... 300-4000 maybe? 09:29:01 <tokai> +0 09:29:04 <peter1138> 2 09:29:05 <TL|Away> less and less :p 09:29:07 <peter1138> osrudge 09:29:09 <peter1138> er 09:29:10 <peter1138> orudge 09:29:11 <peter1138> and 09:29:13 <peter1138> orudge somewhere else 09:29:24 <TL|Away> orudge has just a emulator running for it I believe :p 09:29:31 <TL|Away> he got the system from some freak to port it :) 09:30:04 <hylje> :o 09:30:14 <tokai> anyway.. such freak systems are more fun than any of the big OSes :) 09:30:30 <TL|Away> yeah, more bugs : 09:30:30 <TL|Away> p 09:30:36 <TL|Away> less support :) 09:30:55 <peter1138> crappy old c compilers 09:30:56 <tokai> more bugs? 09:30:59 <hylje> port ottd to symbian already 09:31:01 <tokai> TL|Away: i doubth that :) 09:31:01 <peter1138> (as opposed to crappy new c compilers) 09:31:25 <tokai> peter1138: gcc4 can't even compile quake properly for x86 ;) 09:31:36 <tokai> now tell me something about crap compilers :) 09:31:40 <hylje> :> 09:31:46 <TL|Away> compilers, or source code? 09:32:07 <tokai> it creates broken machine code 09:32:21 <TL|Away> haha 09:33:20 <tokai> with gcc 2.95.x you know at least where the bugs are and how u can workaround them in your source. with new gccs is playing lottery :) 09:36:00 <TL|Away> I believe that is the best argument to tell people to use 2.95 and not 4.0... progress is bad! And any bugs coming with it, it BAD! Don't solve them, use the old stuff :p 09:36:00 <TL|Away> haha 09:36:06 <TL|Away> reminds me of my ISP: they have 2 kinds of internet 09:36:12 <TL|Away> one via ultra-fast university connection 09:36:16 <TL|Away> and one ADSL alike of their own 09:36:23 <TL|Away> now the university connection is failing the past 6 months 09:36:26 <TL|Away> packetloss of 30% 09:36:32 <TL|Away> so now they are telling people to switch to their own 09:36:39 <TL|Away> almost sounds like the perfect marketing ;) 09:36:56 <peter1138> heh 09:37:31 <TL|Away> so never solve your problems, always switch to the thing you know works ;) 09:37:33 <peter1138> indeed 09:37:38 <TL|Away> I guess that is why people still use Win3.11 :) 09:37:38 <peter1138> bugs should not be worked around 09:37:41 <peter1138> they should be solved 09:39:04 <tokai> peter1138: well.. i heard gcc maintainers are sometimes a bit weird and don't accept patches to go in even if they solve problems, so f.ex. many patches by apple are still not in the main gcc tree. 09:39:20 <TL|Away> tokai: yes, apple always complains about that 09:39:25 <TL|Away> did you ever opened a patch from apple? 09:39:32 <TL|Away> a) rarely follows the coding guidelines 09:39:37 <TL|Away> b) mostly introduces tricky code 09:39:43 <TL|Away> c) mostly makes possible bugs on other places 09:39:46 <TL|Away> no wonder they are mostly refused 09:40:32 <tokai> dunno, but their ppc gcc works better than a main tree ppc gcc obviously. 09:40:42 <TL|Away> not that strange :P 09:40:43 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B769DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:40:47 <TL|Away> compare the 2 versions and be amazed 09:40:58 <TL|Away> the apple gcc can't compile i386 x86 code for example 09:41:00 <TL|Away> totally broken 09:41:27 <TL|Away> I believe the story was, Apple tried 3 or 4 patches sending to GCC (big ones) 09:41:29 <TL|Away> they got refused 09:41:35 <TL|Away> so they said: fuck GCC, we start our own version 09:41:42 <TL|Away> and fuck all other versions and options, we just do what we need 09:41:45 <TL|Away> and break most of the other code 09:41:52 <tokai> i probably would do the same:) 09:41:53 <TL|Away> they did notice that problem while adding x86 09:42:03 <TL|Away> yeah, me 2, but that is besides the point :p 09:42:12 <TL|Away> now we have official GCC with bad PPC and darwin8 support 09:42:23 <TL|Away> and now we have apple GCC, with bad anything besides those 2 support :p 09:43:21 <hylje> :P 09:44:13 <TL|Away> (that in fact is the reason I hate branching like this) 09:47:39 <peter1138> apple liked to send massive changes with seeming irrelevant changes 09:47:47 <peter1138> like some patches for ottd ;p 09:48:47 <hylje> :> 09:51:44 <tokai> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/236 <- can someone test this patch if it works for other systems? 09:54:15 *** Vornotron [n=vorn@69.0.80.89] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:56:33 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-2-50.easynet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:57:35 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 09:59:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B769DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:59:50 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.64] has joined #openttd 10:00:09 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.64] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:03:08 *** GrGene_ [n=GrGene@ppp-82-135-7-144.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has joined #openttd 10:03:09 *** GrGene [n=GrGene@ppp-82-135-68-199.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:08:09 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.64] has joined #openttd 10:19:49 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 10:19:59 <black_Nightmare> any of you know what the command was to tell a server to recount clients? 10:21:12 <hylje> rm -rf /etc/ 10:21:45 <black_Nightmare> doesn't work..server still stays paused :p .. heh 10:21:49 * black_Nightmare chuckles 10:22:21 <Sacro> recount_clients? 10:22:25 <Prof_Frink> Sorry, it's rm -rf /usr/ 10:22:33 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: PEBCAK? 10:22:51 <Sacro> chmod 666 `which chmod` 10:22:57 * black_Nightmare whacks prof to quit the linux commands and give me the real openttd command 10:22:59 <black_Nightmare> :p 10:23:13 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: there isnt one, its brianettas autopilot i think 10:23:19 <black_Nightmare> sacro...akalam's server seem to be paused..I was just checking if it was counting clients right 10:23:19 <hylje> chmod -x chmod 10:23:23 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: have you tried "list_cmds" 10:23:25 <black_Nightmare> sacro...oh .. :-/ 10:23:28 <black_Nightmare> hmm let me see 10:23:55 <Sacro> errm, i seem to be alone in #tycoon 10:24:06 <black_Nightmare> hm 'unpause' is only for the server owner to use 10:24:12 <Sacro> yep 10:24:12 <black_Nightmare> guess I'll just have to wait for akalam 10:24:21 <Sacro> log off and log back in] 10:24:58 <black_Nightmare> hmm..didn't think of that..one moment 10:25:38 <black_Nightmare> says 'game unpaused (client connected)' but its still paused 10:25:43 <black_Nightmare> he must have done that 10:27:44 *** TinoM| [n=Tino@i5387D070.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:29:30 <Sacro> hmm 10:29:38 <hylje> YARRR 10:29:58 <hylje> black_Nightmare: yeah if game is paused when you join it wont unpause 10:32:10 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@203-158-59-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:33:05 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 10:33:39 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D070.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:33:43 *** TinoM| is now known as TinoM 10:42:46 <Sacro> hmm, what server OS, centos 4.3, or FC5 10:42:58 <hylje> gentoo 10:43:26 <Sacro> hylje: nooo 10:43:30 <Sacro> ubuntu :P 10:44:42 <hylje> debian 10:45:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o TL|Away] by ChanServ 10:46:03 <TL|Away> Let's make this clear: shut up you 2 10:46:05 <TL|Away> k? 10:46:06 <TL|Away> :p 10:49:00 <hylje> :< 10:49:05 <Sacro> slak! 10:49:15 <TL|Away> good, we have an understanding :) 10:49:21 *** mode/#openttd [-o TL|Away] by ChanServ 10:49:46 <Sacro> ah, best get ready to go out :( bbl 10:49:47 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.64] has quit ["Gone"] 10:49:48 * black_Nightmare would rather go bsd if it wasn't windows ;) 10:56:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> am i starting to imagine things or did sacro just say he is leaving the house? ;) 10:56:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> s/is/was 10:56:56 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 10:57:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> english is a strange language... 10:58:02 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:59:03 *** Prof_Frink [n=proffrin@tnt-2-50.easynet.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 11:03:53 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:04:17 <Brianetta> hngrargh 11:07:03 *** Hendy [n=wolfox@203-158-59-249.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit ["Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it"] 11:08:54 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:09:10 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:10:27 *** ammler [n=marcel@66-204.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 11:11:33 <ammler> Hallo 11:12:00 <roboman> hello 11:12:10 <ammler> Ich habe nun endlich openttd auch auf meiner Linuxkiste compiliert 11:12:22 <ammler> Sorry, englich 11:12:41 <ammler> I have already installed openttd on my linuxbox 11:12:55 <ln-> that wasn't the same sentence 11:13:26 <hapo> well, but the main point got delivered anyway :) 11:13:32 <hylje> :D 11:13:38 <hylje> this point delivers 11:13:55 <ammler> Did take the last trunk, my version is r5461 11:14:19 <ammler> is it possible to give a lover version or have I to install this seperatly 11:14:22 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:14:39 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:15:17 <ammler> I like to play multiplayer 11:15:38 <hylje> you have to install it separately 11:16:00 <ammler> ok, thx 11:16:08 <hylje> its simple enough tho 11:16:13 <hylje> since ottd can be self-contained 11:16:42 <ammler> self-contained? 11:17:47 <hylje> not modifying things outside its directory 11:20:41 *** Osai^sunbath [n=Osai@p54B376A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 11:27:31 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:31:06 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 11:51:54 *** ammler [n=marcel@66-204.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 12:03:45 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:16:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.249.21] has joined #openttd 12:25:14 *** Spocoo [i=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #openttd 12:32:11 <black_Nightmare> hey sacro :p ... you really need to upgrade your four very old ED1 2-6-2T's :)) 12:32:23 <Sacro> black_Nightmare: bah :P 12:32:40 <roboman> on where 12:33:00 <black_Nightmare> sacro..here's a hint..your oil station is barely holding average 50% rating .. the oilwell is doing 477000 litres now 12:33:05 <black_Nightmare> :p 12:33:21 <Sacro> :O 12:33:23 <black_Nightmare> roboman....get the nightly build and look on the online server..there's one that isn't brianetta's..thats the one :p 12:33:34 <black_Nightmare> sacro..so either upgrade it or someone else will ;) 12:34:00 <Sacro> im kinda at work 12:34:05 <black_Nightmare> fair enough 12:34:33 <Brianetta> Akalamanaia's trpoical server 12:34:41 <peter1138> hmm 12:34:49 <peter1138> anyone know how to install cygwin without a network connection? 12:35:01 <hylje> no 12:38:18 *** Osai^sunbath [n=Osai@p54B376A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:27 <Sacro> peter1138: yep, just download the files and do "install from local directory" 12:40:03 <Sacro> or there is the major point that they are only compressed, just unzip/tar/bzip2/gzip/whatever and run any scripts they have 12:41:52 <peter1138> "download the files" 12:41:52 <peter1138> which? 12:41:57 <peter1138> they're massive... 12:42:26 *** Spoco [n=Spoco@dsl-062-197-163-65.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:43:39 <Sacro> peter1138: depends what you want 12:43:43 <Sacro> get ubuntu and vmware 12:43:58 <peter1138> er... what? 12:45:50 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 12:48:27 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 12:50:59 <Sacro> peter1138: im not sure how the dependancy tracking works 12:54:57 <roboman> gnight 12:55:18 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 12:56:09 <peter1138> fairly sure ubuntu and vmware isn't a solution :P 13:03:25 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-164-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:00 <Sacro> peter1138: if linux isnt the solution, your asking the wrong question 13:04:44 <peter1138> riiight 13:04:49 <Sacro> :) 13:05:09 <peter1138> obviously you're not in the real world 13:05:17 <peter1138> where you can't just change the OS of a running system on a whim 13:05:58 <Sacro> im attempting to do that now :) 13:06:01 <Sacro> what are you wanting to do? 13:06:35 <peter1138> i only want rsync, heh 13:06:49 <Sacro> is there not a win32 version? 13:06:50 <peter1138> (it has a network connection, but no internet connectivity 13:06:52 <peter1138> ) 13:06:54 <peter1138> yes, via cygwin 13:07:14 <Sacro> right, well surely you just need the exe, and all associated libraries 13:07:45 <Sacro> according to ldd `which rsync` is only needs glidbc 13:09:33 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #OpenTTD 13:10:30 <peter1138> hmm 13:11:11 <Sacro> can i connect to 2 access points at once for double the speed? 13:11:51 <Noldo> with 2 cards maybe 13:12:17 <SpComb> hmm 13:12:30 <SpComb> has anyone written PHP code for querying OpenTTD servers? 13:12:31 <Sacro> Noldo: no, i only have the one 13:12:54 <Sacro> though i could plug eth0 into our router, and use wlan0 for Subway's wireless 13:13:06 <SpComb> Sacro: your WLAN card uses a specifc frequency range, and that frequency range is only so wide and so fast 13:13:15 <Sacro> SpComb: i know 13:13:30 <SpComb> then you shouldn't have asked that question :) 13:13:36 <MiHaMiX> SpComb: someone must have, since I've seen pages offering such data 13:14:08 <SpComb> I was just considering writeing some nice class for it, so I could do a bit of socket work and binary manipulation 13:14:11 <Sacro> SpComb: i just wondered if it was do-able 13:14:17 <SpComb> certainly 13:14:26 <Sacro> SpComb: yes, ask Brianetta, i think he's done it 13:14:36 <Sacro> actually, check the masterserver!!! 13:14:40 * SpComb pokes Brianetta to give him the source code 13:14:46 <SpComb> well, servers.openttd.org 13:14:48 <SpComb> or whatever it was 13:15:08 <mikl> Brianetta has written some rather cool code for interfacing with OTTD, but I think it's all in TCL :/ 13:15:09 <Sacro> yeah, that uses PHP 13:15:12 <Brianetta> huh? 13:15:23 <Sacro> oh noes!*hides* 13:15:24 <Brianetta> The PHP stuff is form the SVN server 13:15:24 <SpComb> have you written PHP code for accessing OpenTTD servers? 13:15:27 <Brianetta> website branch 13:15:32 <SpComb> aha 13:15:40 <Brianetta> Stolen from the main web site code 13:16:00 <mikl> IP-theft'r'us :) 13:16:10 <Brianetta> It's guppled 13:16:22 <Sacro> thats an ace word 13:16:27 <Brianetta> (: 13:16:59 <SpComb> svn: URL 'svn://svn.openttd.org/website/servers.php' refers to a file, not a directory 13:17:01 <SpComb> hrmph 13:17:09 <SpComb> I guess you can't store a .svn dir inside a file :) 13:17:39 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 13:17:39 <mikl> SpComb: easily, you just need to tar it first :) 13:17:46 <SpComb> unlikely 13:18:01 <Sacro> dare anyone to make a file called "C:\Program" 13:18:03 * SpComb idly wonders how the openttd website is designed 13:18:15 <Sacro> SpComb: it uses Smarty afaik 13:18:37 <hylje> :o 13:19:37 <SpComb> yes, it does 13:20:42 *** Frostregen [i=SADDAM@dslb-084-058-159-017.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:21:03 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:21:06 <Sacro> i think OpenTTD should output stuff using streaming XML 13:21:09 <SpComb> hmmmm, the master server uses mysql? 13:21:13 <SpComb> I don't 13:22:05 <Sacro> yeah, probably does use mysql 13:22:09 <Sacro> :O 73C 13:22:42 <SpComb> hmm, servers.php and server_detail all just query from the db 13:23:21 <Sacro> its a lot easier for the game to do an insert on the db 13:23:28 <Sacro> and then for the php to select it 13:24:07 <SpComb> hmm, the .php-file-per-page-and-then-a-shared-smarty-template design must be quite common 13:24:20 <SpComb> so the master server keeps the db up to date? 13:25:05 <Sacro> i presume so 13:25:14 <SpComb> ERROR 1130 (00000): Host 'yoda.zernebok.com' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server 13:25:23 <SpComb> still, a bit risky to have the sql passwords in the svn repo 13:25:50 <hylje> kind of 13:25:50 <Sacro> SpComb: what are you doing? 13:25:58 <hylje> Sacro: haxoring, dont you see 13:26:06 <Sacro> well, if the sql server only accepts localhost connections 13:26:09 <hylje> he clearly intends to blow our comps up 13:26:50 <Sacro> j00 b3 l33t h4xx0r? 13:28:47 <hylje> hey 13:28:54 <Sacro> there 13:29:02 <hylje> why cant i clone vehicles from the vehicle listing 13:29:24 <Sacro> i know, it'd be nice 13:29:36 <Sacro> as well as when viewing all trains linked to a station 13:30:09 <hylje> thats vehicle listing 13:30:31 <Sacro> yup :) 13:31:24 <SpComb> Sacro: I could imagine that that protection could be circumvented 13:31:24 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:31:33 <SpComb> Sacro: for instance, if I manage to upload/eval a php script 13:31:59 <SpComb> although, I could probably read the sql config file that way anyways :P 13:31:59 <Sacro> SpComb: quite possibly 13:32:18 <Sacro> it most likey wont allow you access to much more though 13:32:21 <SpComb> dunno, but security does increase if you hide them 13:32:26 <SpComb> hmm? 13:32:40 <SpComb> I could make it donwload and execute a php script that acts as a port forwarder 13:32:41 <SpComb> say 13:33:04 <SpComb> or a C program, for that matter 13:34:26 <SpComb> ugh, giving some useage examples for your program might be a good idea 13:34:29 <SpComb> *class 13:34:45 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:37:20 <SpComb> however, yes, a PHP class for accessing OpenTTD servers exists 13:37:21 <Brianetta> port forwarder? 13:37:36 <SpComb> opens a socket and pipes data to mysql 13:37:41 <Brianetta> Use ssh 13:37:44 <Sacro> hmm 13:37:51 <Sacro> Brianetta: he's hacking the masterserver 13:37:52 <SpComb> I'm talking about the openttd.org server ^^ 13:37:53 <Brianetta> look at the man page for -L 13:38:03 <SpComb> the fact that the mysql stuff is in the svn repo 13:38:19 <Brianetta> surely not the passwords? 13:38:29 <SpComb> yes 13:38:32 <SpComb> all of them 13:38:40 <SpComb> includes/servers.inc.php or so 13:38:51 <Brianetta> They should be in an include file, which only sets those variables, and isn't svn controlled 13:38:54 <SpComb> hmm 13:39:04 <SpComb> well, it has *some* mysql data in it 13:39:13 <Brianetta> and *is* documented elsewhere, so that others can make one for themselves 13:39:15 <SpComb> dunno how old o it is 13:39:29 <SpComb> I mean the OpenTTD class for PHP 13:40:11 <SpComb> svn cat svn://svn.openttd.org/website/includes/servers.inc.php 13:40:18 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:41:05 *** Spocoo is now known as Spoco 13:44:27 *** gigajum [i=lucy@dslb-084-056-136-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:45:59 <Sacro> arrrrgh tis a gigajum 13:46:05 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-210-065.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:11 <gigajum> Sacro? 13:46:29 <Sacro> hellooooooooo 13:46:37 <gigajum> :D 13:46:53 <Sacro> heh, just had a call "help, my internet isnt working", could be something to do with their router sat on my desk 13:47:26 <gigajum> :) 13:47:31 <gigajum> mine is working fine 13:47:51 <Sacro> yeah so's mine 13:48:02 <Sacro> and so is they guy who calleds 13:48:12 <Sacro> it just needs taking round and connecting 13:48:18 <SpComb> you lazy 13:48:26 <SpComb> depreiving the poor helpless users of their net! 13:48:34 <SpComb> how can they su... work without it! 13:49:12 <Sacro> they work better without it, belive me 14:10:14 <mikl> bah, why does windows suck so much... 14:10:44 <SpComb> because it's designed for idiots and most of the reasoning starts with "most people" 14:10:51 <SpComb> and it's also widely used 14:11:12 <SpComb> hard to keep it useable for computer-literate people while keeping it possible for novices to use it 14:11:16 <mikl> painfully so... 14:11:24 <SpComb> MS hasn't done such a bad job at it 14:11:28 <SpComb> but it's just unfortunate 14:11:33 <SpComb> supposedly Pro is better 14:11:43 <SpComb> consider that the Pro might come from the user.... 14:11:48 <SpComb> interesting thought, I wonder if that's true 14:12:13 <SpComb> Home == for novices, Pro = for professionals 14:12:32 <hylje> yes 14:12:35 <mikl> well, i run Pro, and there's no real difference 14:12:43 <hylje> home is for novices because they dont realize how much it sucks 14:12:47 <mikl> appart from beein able to run Rdesktop and IIS 14:14:52 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:16:43 <Brianetta> Home is for cheapskates like me who only wanted XP in order to run a couple of games 14:16:55 <Brianetta> Why pay for Pro when I'm in Linux for 90% of the time? 14:17:55 <Sacro> can you install Windows without a cd drive? 14:18:16 * Sacro runs Corporate 14:18:30 <Sacro> its like Pro, except it has the wonderful advantage of not needing activation 14:19:28 <Brianetta> My copy of home came with the system for £60 14:19:43 <Sacro> this laptop came with a copy of home, but i dont use it 14:19:46 <mikl> Brianetta: I don't own XP myself - but my employer does... :/ 14:20:05 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:20:06 <Sacro> my desktop i built myself, and that has a copy of XP on it, purely cos i dont see the expense as been worthwhile 14:20:08 <Brianetta> mikl: My employer owns a whole site license, but I still have Linux on this machine at my desk 14:20:44 <Brianetta> XP is overly expensive 14:20:55 <Brianetta> although it was only as much as two games 14:21:06 <hylje> "only" 14:21:10 <Brianetta> that was an OEM bundle price, and it's not legal if I change computers 14:21:13 <mikl> Brianetta: so do I, but until someone ports Microsoft Business Solutions to linux or we get to change software, I have to use Windows from time to time :/ 14:21:13 * Sacro wants X² for linux 14:21:26 <hylje> its infinitely more expensive when compared to ottd 14:21:27 <hylje> :< 14:21:32 <Brianetta> mikl: I do too, but I use rdesktop and do it from somewhere else. 14:21:41 <Brianetta> ottd isn't free 14:21:42 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:21:45 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:22:07 <mikl> Brianetta: yes, but I have the sorry job of maintaining the windows-boxes as well :( 14:22:18 <Brianetta> mikl: As do I 14:22:30 <Brianetta> We've just gone from NT4 to AD 14:22:42 <Brianetta> I had to upgerade my Linux machine in order to join it to the AD 14:22:45 <Sacro> AD? 14:22:50 <Brianetta> Active Directory 14:22:55 <mikl> which caused my earlier comment about windows sucking, since I can't get this machine to eat the monitor drivers... 14:23:16 <Brianetta> mikl: Stick Linux and Samba on it. It'll be weeks before the user notices. 14:23:22 <mikl> lol :) 14:23:46 <mikl> thankyfully, GNOME has no wizards... 14:24:07 <mikl> oooops, I really need a spell-checker for irssi 14:26:50 <Sacro> heh, i have one in X-Chat, but i ignore it 14:30:45 <Brianetta> $ ./loadsettings.tcl 14:30:45 <Brianetta> My name is autopilot 14:30:45 <Brianetta> My music player is timidity 14:30:45 <Brianetta> The missing setting is 14:30:45 <Brianetta> The nearly totally missing setting is 14:30:46 <Brianetta> The totally missing setting is 14:30:52 <Brianetta> My landscape might be arctic 14:30:54 <Brianetta> Woot. (: 14:31:05 <Brianetta> My openttd.cfg parser works. 14:31:30 <MiHaMiX> :) 14:31:46 <MiHaMiX> Brianetta: I used to code in tcl a few years ago :) 14:32:07 <Sacro> [15:33] <Brianetta> My landscape might be arctic <- it doesnt seem sure 14:33:14 <Brianetta> It isn't 14:33:31 <Brianetta> It read the config, but as yet it doesn't know if it's going to load a different game 14:34:12 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.249.21] has quit ["Gone"] 14:38:42 <eQualizer> Is there a simple way to convert more than one train from one railway type to another in a one depot? 14:38:56 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:39:50 <Brianetta> eQualizer: FAQ. Answer is not at all. 14:55:37 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-245-205.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:03:20 *** gigajum [i=lucy@dslb-084-056-136-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [] 15:05:02 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E839.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 15:06:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> [2006-07-05 16:17] <Sacro> can you install Windows without a cd drive? <- i once installed Win95 that way, copied the files from the cd to (overformatted to 1.7MB) disks, and installed it from them 15:07:13 <valhallazzzw> erm 15:07:34 <valhallazzzw> I have got win95 on floppy disks.. upgrade for win3.1 15:07:39 <valhallazzzw> 13 disks :o 15:07:48 <valhallazzzw> (ah, and windows3.1 is three disks iirc) 15:08:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> win 3.1 was 7 disks 15:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> (at least my version) 15:08:10 <mikl> valhallazzzw: you an archaeologist? 15:08:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have win 3.11 on CD 15:08:24 <valhallazzzw> no, a physicist 15:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> "Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and Works for Windows 2.0" 15:09:54 <valhallazzzw> :O 15:10:02 <peter1138> n 15:10:08 <valhallazzzw> I've got wordstar somewhere 15:10:10 <valhallazzzw> and erm 15:10:16 <valhallazzzw> symphony 15:10:21 <peter1138> any bots in the channel? heh 15:10:24 <peter1138> !seen tron 15:10:31 <peter1138> guess not 15:11:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> grep tron *.log ;) 15:12:02 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 15:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> i have never used that works... 15:12:51 <Eddi|zuHause3> as long as i can think back, i have been using WordPerfect 15:13:19 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:15:40 *** kinnaz [i=kinnaz@hardcore.life.ee] has joined #openttd 15:16:12 <kinnaz> hi i have question, do i or don't i get the money when i drop smt at the station and it says Transfer: 100.000.000 15:16:12 <kinnaz> or smt 15:17:10 <glx> theorically you get money, but transfert is quite buggy 15:17:20 <kinnaz> when i get the money ? 15:17:25 <kinnaz> when i drop the goods at last location ? 15:17:25 <Belugas> nope, in other words :) 15:17:31 <Belugas> yes 15:17:36 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B769DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 15:17:41 <kinnaz> okey 15:17:45 <kinnaz> that was what i tought 15:17:55 <Belugas> but only for the last part of the trip... 15:17:59 <kinnaz> i know.. 15:18:01 <kinnaz> sadly.. 15:18:09 <kinnaz> so is this system going to fixed ? 15:18:15 <kinnaz> or it's out of priority list 15:18:57 <glx> the fix needs cargo origin memorisation, and this doesn't exists yet 15:19:14 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387D070.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:19:28 <Belugas> so many things to do with cargo.... :( 15:19:35 <Belugas> never ending cargo 15:19:41 <kinnaz> okey:P 15:20:09 <kinnaz> does openttd force version ? 15:20:16 <kinnaz> or i can play with nightly builds 15:20:19 <kinnaz> aswell in network 15:20:28 <kinnaz> with other non nightly build guys ? 15:20:41 <glx> you can only play using same version as the server 15:20:50 <kinnaz> toobad 15:21:22 <glx> and if you use newgrf, you need to use the same files in the same order in openttd.cfg 15:22:36 <kinnaz> hmmmz 15:22:44 <kinnaz> haven't heard about the newgrf 15:22:48 <kinnaz> just checked the wiki site 15:22:51 <kinnaz> will check that 15:23:05 <kinnaz> stations are quite fancy 15:23:33 <glx> newstations are noly in nightlies 15:23:44 <glx> s/noly/only 15:24:04 <kinnaz> oeh okey 15:30:48 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:30:48 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 15:33:51 *** Osai^sunbath is now known as Osai 15:56:59 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 15:57:06 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 16:03:18 <black_Nightmare> any of you know about the intercontinental airport? 16:08:23 *** SchAmane [n=schamane@p5498D4AB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:12:47 <Belugas> it is in nightly, it is good looking and is done by richk67 :) 16:13:02 <black_Nightmare> well one question I got was... 16:13:44 <black_Nightmare> are the runaways like arrival-departe-(airport)-departe-arrival? 16:15:07 <Belugas> i think so, yes 16:15:16 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81EBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd ["icebears... take care of them!"] 16:15:35 <Belugas> i've played with it once or twice, but as I remember, this is how it goes 16:16:27 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has joined #openTTD 16:20:14 <mikl> heh, I wonder how long it will take before someone makes an airåport with 6 runways 16:21:33 <black_Nightmare> belugas...ty anyhow 16:21:41 <black_Nightmare> mikl....don't think anyone really need that 16:21:52 <black_Nightmare> considering how much space the international airport already takes up 16:22:08 <Belugas> as soon as newairports trough newgrf is done, anyone would be able to do so. 16:22:20 * black_Nightmare sticks to 2 runaways usually 16:22:47 <black_Nightmare> if planes keeps circling you have poor planning :p (usually no trains as I've noticed of other players) 16:23:47 <hylje> :o 16:24:15 <hylje> mikl: 8 imo, 2 each side :D 16:24:16 <black_Nightmare> I usually only add airports when there's a train route existing 16:24:31 <black_Nightmare> (unless its for goods-carrying planes which then sometimes have no shared rail stations at all) 16:25:14 <mikl> black_Nightmare: goods carrying airplanes is perhaps the biggest cash cow possible :) 16:26:12 <black_Nightmare> mikl..not true 16:26:22 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81EBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:27:59 <mikl> well, it is certainly much easier to accomplish than building a trans-continental railroad :) 16:28:53 <black_Nightmare> mikl...you forgot one thing if you will 16:29:03 <mikl> well? 16:29:10 <black_Nightmare> being able to share routes even mid-way between two main stations :p 16:29:26 <black_Nightmare> planes can't transfer to another in midair so have to hastle with more airports/etc 16:42:36 <mikl> nettwork add -autosendcmd "/^msg nickserv ident 123579;wait 2000" OFTC 16:42:41 <mikl> duh 16:42:42 <mikl> :) 16:44:27 <peter1138> hmm 16:44:31 <peter1138> how did you guess my password? 16:44:50 <hylje> :o 16:49:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B769DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:51:04 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:51:26 <Wolf01> yo 16:51:37 <black_Nightmare> lol peter :P 16:52:02 <black_Nightmare> *wishes someone could see how my network had came to so far* hehe :p 16:57:36 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B81EBF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["icebears... take care of them!"] 16:58:25 <Bjarni> <black_Nightmare> *wishes someone could see how my network had came to so far* <-- make a few spelling mistakes on purpose in that line and it will be an unguessable password :) 17:00:35 <black_Nightmare> *pokes bjarni* :)) 17:00:42 * black_Nightmare has 100% electric engines too 17:04:24 <peter1138> boring 17:05:05 <TL|Away> yup 17:05:11 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 17:06:21 <black_Nightmare> same here...I dunno what to do..even in both ttdpatch and this online openttd server ^_^ 17:06:26 <black_Nightmare> going have lunch soon tho anyhow 17:10:29 <Wolf01> who has the idea to autoreplace a vehicle/wagon with the same vehicle/wagon? 17:11:35 <Bjarni> Wolf01: well, it's called autorenew and is done when the vehicle is getting old 17:11:43 <Bjarni> that is, if you enable that feature 17:12:18 <Wolf01> no, the autoreplace itself, you can't select the same vehicle to make a loop 17:12:28 *** Mucht|zZz [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit ["I'll be back!"] 17:12:28 <Bjarni> ahh 17:12:44 <Bjarni> I coded it like that before the first version got committed 17:13:19 *** AciD [n=gni@unaffiliated/acid] has quit [No route to host] 17:13:34 *** |AciD| [n=gni@tehpwnz.org] has joined #openttd 17:13:42 <Bjarni> this was because engineIDs at that time was 8 bit, and since we already had 256 engines, the engine had to point to itself to turn autoreplace off 17:14:37 *** black_Nightmare [n=Husky_dr@modemcable088.176-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd ["bye"] 17:15:02 <hylje> hackish 17:15:19 *** |AciD| is now known as AciD 17:15:38 <Bjarni> well, it was the only way to get a byte to give you 256 different settings 17:15:41 *** Arkus [n=daniel@wildair.plus.com] has joined #openttd 17:16:02 <Bjarni> now we got 16 bit engineIDs, and the off setting is now 0xFFFF 17:16:03 *** Hallo [n=me@c094.fem.tu-ilmenau.de] has joined #openttd 17:16:19 <Bjarni> but nobody added code to replace engines to their own type 17:16:20 <Wolf01> i thought about a little improvement to it: you build a train A with i say 5 wood wagons, then you make it autoreplace with 5 goods wagons and again autoreplace it with 5 wood wagons 17:16:29 <Bjarni> I see no reason for such an addition 17:16:57 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:17:07 <hylje> well 17:17:11 <anboni> probably to use the same engine for both wood dropoff and goods pickup 17:17:14 <Bjarni> that would not work 17:17:16 <Bjarni> we would need special code for that 17:17:24 <hylje> ie. hack 17:17:30 <Wolf01> so you can schedule it so: 17:17:30 <Wolf01> forest (load) 17:17:30 <Wolf01> sawmill 17:17:30 <Wolf01> depot (autoreplace) 17:17:30 <Wolf01> sawmill (load) 17:17:31 <Wolf01> city 17:17:33 <Wolf01> depot (autoreplace) 17:17:57 <Bjarni> I get the idea 17:17:59 <anboni> but as far as realism goes, that'd mean you'd have wood cars pile up at the sawmill and goods cars pile up at the city 17:18:31 *** zemei [n=zemei@dsl5400E839.pool.t-online.hu] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 17:19:07 <Bjarni> the question is if autoreplace would be the right thing use. It should more likely be an order flag(s) 17:20:02 <anboni> and from a realism point of view, it should be refitting.. not replacing.. and that refitting would be limited to specific choices.. so no oil to goods refit 17:21:43 <hylje> or just wagon swapping 17:22:06 <hylje> then you could have another train pulling the wagons back to where they came 17:22:31 *** Damme__ [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Connection timed out] 17:27:06 <Bjarni> bad idea 17:27:24 <Bjarni> well the idea itself is not bad, but it's impossible to implement in a good way 17:27:43 <Wolf01> why? 17:27:53 <Bjarni> since we don't have schedules, we risk shortages of wagons in certain depots 17:28:18 <Bjarni> and the user can't prevent it because we don't have time in the orders 17:28:22 <Bjarni> they just show up at random 17:28:25 <Bjarni> times 17:28:37 <hylje> so.. implement scheluding? 17:29:06 <Wolf01> should be possible to add wagons instead cut off them if they are too much to fit the station 17:29:31 <Bjarni> what do you mean? 17:30:12 <Wolf01> i meant to add more autoreplace options 17:30:32 <Wolf01> and maybe train side instead depot side 17:32:17 <Bjarni> it's not really depot side 17:32:26 <Bjarni> it's global 17:32:58 <Wolf01> yes is global, but if you have a vehicle side autoreplace you can schedule it in the orders 17:33:16 <Wolf01> and each train can have a different schedule 17:33:52 <Bjarni> it should be added to the orders, and then it would be order sided, not train sided 17:34:00 <Wolf01> if two trains need the same schedule, just clone it like order cloning 17:34:00 <Bjarni> also, it would apply to all vehicle types 17:36:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:38:44 *** Arkus [n=daniel@wildair.plus.com] has quit [] 17:42:54 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:49 <Bjarni> I just looked at the orders and searched for free bits. I think I got an idea to refit in the depots, but the space is so limited that we need to allocate way more memory to the orders if we want the orders to autoreplace vehicles 17:45:06 <hylje> zomg :( 17:45:58 <Bjarni> the problem is that we only got 2 bytes and they are already partly in use 17:49:32 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B376A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 17:50:00 <Wolf01> how much bits do you need? 17:51:11 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 17:54:47 <CIA-3> miham * r5462 /trunk/lang/ (french.txt italian.txt unfinished/bulgarian.txt): 17:54:47 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-05 19:54:20 17:54:47 <CIA-3> bulgarian - 218 fixed, 79 changed by quicksilverbg (20), kokobongo (203), groupsky (74) 17:54:47 <CIA-3> french - 1 changed by glx (1) 17:54:47 <CIA-3> italian - 14 changed by sidew (14) 17:55:12 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:57:38 *** MiHaMiX [n=miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 18:03:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B769DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:07:30 <Sacro> Wolf01: many :) 18:07:41 <Wolf01> :) 18:08:00 <Wolf01> use the unused bits from the transparency and daylength patches XD 18:08:00 <Sacro> how much = good, how many bits = good 18:08:09 <Sacro> daylength doesnt use any bits 18:08:47 <Wolf01> uhm not all true, it uses 2 or 3 variables 18:10:54 <Bjarni> back (dinner) 18:11:18 <Wolf01> i know that using a byte for each vehicle can take more memory, but i think that 1 or 2 MB can be spent for new features, we are not using 386 with 16MB of ram 18:11:40 <Bjarni> <Wolf01> how much bits do you need? <-- for proper autoreplace, 16 bit for original engineID and 16 bit for new engineID for each wagon type, that needs to be replaced 18:12:32 <Bjarni> if we add more memory to the orders, then we will need to save this. By keeping the current structure, we don't have to mess with the load/save code 18:12:40 <Bjarni> saves time 18:12:53 <Wolf01> yes i know 18:13:24 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:00 * Bjarni just got an idea 18:14:02 <Wolf01> Bjarni... multiplexing XD 18:14:12 <peter1138> uh oh 18:15:11 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:15:21 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:16:12 <Bjarni> if we add a pointer from the orders to a "unit" in the autoreplace pool (containing current and new engineIDs), we can just add an index in the savegame 18:16:48 <Bjarni> and we got dynamically allocated storage to autoreplace more than one engine type at a single stop in a depot if we like 18:16:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B769DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:17:27 <Bjarni> the tradeoff is that we add memory for a pointer in each order... well not even in each order, but in each line in the orders 18:17:41 <Bjarni> that's a whole lot of NULL pointers 18:18:28 *** Zavior [n=asdadsq@d195-237-7-253.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:18:35 * peter1138 NULLs Bjarni 18:19:27 <Bjarni> agreed 18:19:38 <Bjarni> no more about that idea 18:19:41 <Bjarni> it actually sucks 18:19:50 <Bjarni> at least from a memory point of view 18:19:57 <peter1138> memory? 18:19:58 <peter1138> what's that? 18:19:59 <MiHaMiX> grrr 18:20:14 <Bjarni> that's the thing we only need 640k of 18:20:24 * peter1138 forgets 18:20:29 <peter1138> sup mihamix? 18:20:56 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:21:15 <Bjarni> * peter1138 forgets <-- and that feature is called a memory leak 18:21:34 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:21:48 <peter1138> nah 18:21:54 <peter1138> a memory leak is when you *don't* forget 18:22:23 <Bjarni> you didn't, but you don't have access to your memory either 18:28:51 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:30:18 *** egladil [n=egladil@frukt.csbnet.se] has joined #openttd 18:30:43 *** Wolf01|AFK is now known as Wolf01 18:40:05 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:40:26 <Wolf01> who knows very well how the catchement areas code works? 18:41:06 <Sacro> oh noes! its a brianetta 18:41:08 <Wolf01> (and if the same guy has time to spend to explain it to me) 18:41:15 <Sacro> Wolf01: change it according to daylength? 18:41:21 <Sacro> :O TIS RAININ 18:41:40 <Wolf01> sacro... how i change the catchement areas according to daylength? 18:41:45 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 18:41:54 <Wolf01> i can't find a common point :| 18:41:58 <Sacro> Wolf01: im not sure how, and not sure you'd want to 18:42:17 <Wolf01> i simply want to add a "show catchement area" button to a station 18:42:51 *** pwr [n=pwr@82.78.120.186] has joined #openttd 18:42:54 <Sacro> ahh 18:43:00 <Sacro> check the drawing code 18:43:15 <hylje> lets draw code! 18:43:41 * Sacro draws a sword 18:44:03 <hylje> thats a fine sword you drew 18:44:55 <Sacro> yes, would you like to feel how sharp it is 18:45:40 <Wolf01> o---(=======> fight! 18:46:02 <Bjarni> <Sacro> yes, would you like to feel how sharp it is <-- you figured out how to code C#? 18:46:16 <Wolf01> lol 18:46:45 <Bjarni> finally I have seen something C# is good at 18:46:47 <Sacro> Bjarni: D#, tis better 18:46:48 <hylje> ambiguousness ftw 18:46:54 <Bjarni> compile your own weapons 18:47:04 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:47:09 <Sacro> ambiguousnes ft 18:47:39 <Bjarni> Sacro: I'm too used to smilies... I read your line as :D# and I wondered why did you show your shirt? 18:47:54 <Wolf01> http://www.excaliburcutlery.com/art/sharpening/ed08.jpg a C# compiler 18:48:43 *** morbid [n=piwsko@bxv149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 18:48:55 <hylje> :E 18:48:56 <Bjarni> Wolf01: it's more like an optimiser. It increase efficiency and reduces execution time 18:48:59 <hylje> compiler hardware.. 18:49:46 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176114208.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:50:28 <Bjarni> bbl 18:50:34 <Wolf01> bye 18:50:47 <Wolf01> mmm C&C time 18:51:14 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AFK 18:51:51 <hylje> o no 18:55:20 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #OpenTTD 19:01:46 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:03:41 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1052.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:09:10 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:09:40 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:15:44 *** Arkus [n=daniel@wildair.plus.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:02 <Arkus> Hey guys, any reason why I couldn't ask for some tips in here, or is there another channel for that? 19:17:12 <hylje> tips regarding ottd? 19:17:13 <hylje> why not 19:17:41 <Sacro> we give out all kinds of tips in here 19:17:45 <Sacro> Never eat yellow snow 19:17:46 <lws1984> even women tips! 19:17:56 <lws1984> never try to compliment a woman while drunk 19:18:00 <Sacro> lws1984 is not a woman, no matter what your told 19:18:08 <Sacro> lws1984: her, or you? 19:18:24 <lws1984> wtf??? 19:18:26 <Arkus> lol it's ok, I'm gay, but thanks anyway ;) I'm trying to improve my building technique in ottd, and I have a bit of an issue with efficiency. My railways always seem to jam up no matter how many signals and stuff I put in 19:18:41 <Arkus> So i've been looking at the tracks on the #openttdcoop sandbox server 19:18:48 <SpComb> "wow, you look a lot nicer today than what you looked yesterday!" 19:18:51 <hylje> those are good practise 19:18:59 <hylje> and work quite well 19:19:00 <Arkus> And I understand from that that a structure such as LLL_____RRR are better than the LR i am used to 19:19:09 <Arkus> However I can't fathom how I am meant to start such a construction 19:19:15 <Sacro> SpComb: but then youve just inferred that yesterday she didnt ACTUALLY look that good 19:19:27 <hylje> well 19:19:34 <Arkus> If I start the mainline straight away at the start of a game, I have a massive cost associated with construction that I can't afford in 1950 19:19:44 <Arkus> Yet if I leave it until later on, I have already linked a number of industries together 19:19:44 <hylje> you do first the normal lines you do 19:19:48 <Sacro> hmm, i personally dont like co-op styles of play 19:19:54 <hylje> then you do big mainlines parallel to them 19:20:01 <hylje> and divert traffic to them 19:20:09 <SpComb> Sacro: say she has the same clothes as yesterday (ignore the fact that the previous statement is never true) 19:20:10 <hylje> eventually you can remove the old lines 19:20:13 <Arkus> So phase them out and then replace them wit the big mainline? 19:20:18 <hylje> yes 19:20:25 <Arkus> Ok 19:20:37 <Arkus> I typically use LR to start with - is that ok for branch lines? 19:20:39 <hylje> yes 19:20:54 <Sacro> Arkus: makes more sense then RL 19:21:17 <hylje> then start doing big mainlines to your big dropoffs when the LRs start jamming 19:21:27 <Arkus> (I'm British so LR is good :)) 19:21:44 <peter1138> Sacro: i want to play co-op, but not in the mass-organised way they do 19:21:46 <Arkus> And am I right in my understanding that a station should connect only to the mainline, and then only via a branch line? 19:21:55 <Sacro> hehe, i suppose RL is more the Australian way 19:22:03 <Sacro> peter1138: me too, why not start a UKRS MiniIN server :D 19:22:04 <Brianetta> LR is drive-on-right with #openttdcoop 19:22:17 <Brianetta> RL would be British 19:22:25 <hylje> Arkus: yes, branchs connect to MLs 19:22:28 <hylje> branches* 19:22:37 <Brianetta> since the majority of the planet see drive-on-left as backwards 19:22:41 <hylje> yes 19:22:42 <hylje> :> 19:22:42 <Arkus> And stations should not join to each other without going on the mainline? 19:22:53 <hylje> unless the stations are close by, no 19:23:20 <Arkus> Do you recommend picking one conveniently located drop off industry (factory, steel mill etc...) and bringing everything to one place to get the massive output going on? 19:23:22 <Brianetta> I hope you're not talking about sandbox 19:23:25 <Arkus> Or is it better to use a few such drop off industries 19:23:29 <Brianetta> [20:22] <hylje> unless the stations are close by, no 19:23:31 <Brianetta> You meant "no" 19:23:41 <hylje> Brianetta: yeah i was a bit confused there 19:24:01 <Brianetta> http://openttdcoop.ppcis.org/wiki/index.php/Line_hierarchy 19:24:13 <Brianetta> Arkus: Your questions might all be answered there 19:24:52 <Sacro> Brianetta: drive backwards on the left...that could be fun 19:25:09 <hylje> ::D 19:25:14 <Brianetta> Sacro: We do, though (L 19:25:40 <Arkus> Current train length on sandbox is 3 tiles ya? 19:25:56 <Brianetta> I believe so 19:25:57 <Sacro> Brianetta: no, i mean pull over to the left, engage reverse, beats 3 point turns 19:26:31 <peter1138> Sacro: cos. uh. hmm. 19:29:08 <peter1138> cos i'm playing ut. or something./ 19:29:52 <hylje> zomg 19:34:01 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549462EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:24 *** Osai [n=Osai@p54B376A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:57 <Brianetta> I need a Windows test subject 19:43:05 <Brianetta> Do I have a willing victim? 19:43:17 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 19:43:34 <Arkus> depends what i'm doing! 19:45:22 <Brianetta> Right 19:45:25 <Brianetta> What I want 19:46:04 <Brianetta> is somebody with a copy of autopilot, Tcl for Windows with Expect (such as ActiveTcl), Windows and openttd 19:46:18 <Arkus> that's me screwed then 19:46:20 <Brianetta> somebody with all that who doesn't mind editing a file and trying a couple of things 19:46:36 <Brianetta> Arkus: It's all free stuff 19:46:44 <Arkus> i have a bandwidth cap in force 19:46:49 <Brianetta> ew 19:46:50 <Arkus> my download rate is around 4kb/sec atm :( 19:46:53 <Arkus> changing ISP soon 19:47:04 <Brianetta> Anybody else: http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActiveTcl/ 19:47:13 <Brianetta> You could be the one who allows autopilot to run on Windows 19:47:42 <Sacro> Brianetta: i suppose i could... 19:48:01 <Brianetta> Check the license agreement 19:48:04 *** lws1984 is now known as lws|Away 19:48:08 <Brianetta> just in case you despise its terms 19:48:36 <Sacro> i see no licence 19:48:51 <Brianetta> It's in the menu on the right of the page I linked 19:48:55 <Sacro> lets face it, if its like the microsoft EULA ill just breeze past 19:49:00 <Brianetta> It's not 19:49:13 <Brianetta> It allows free-of-charge commercial and non-commercial use 19:49:21 <Sacro> sounds good to me 19:49:45 <Brianetta> You do need to register, though, to download it from them 19:49:53 <Brianetta> "ActiveTcl now includes Expect for Windows; a license is no longer required." 19:49:57 <Brianetta> That's the best bit 19:50:06 <Sacro> well i have an hour to kill before CentOS finishes downloading 19:50:10 <Brianetta> heh 19:51:33 <Sacro> sooo...what files to get? 19:52:45 <Sacro> ActiveTCL for windows sounds good 19:52:55 <Brianetta> Yes 19:52:57 <Brianetta> That's it 19:53:03 <Brianetta> It comes with Expect and tcllib 19:53:21 <Brianetta> Doesn't come with mysqltcl, but that's no hazard 19:53:22 <Sacro> hmm, its incomoing now 19:53:35 <Brianetta> Do you have autopilot-irc ? 19:53:45 <Brianetta> or any older autopilot 19:54:05 <Sacro> nope 19:54:13 <Brianetta> right 19:54:18 <Brianetta> grab the old one from the forum 19:54:33 <Sacro> considering hijacking the centos server im setting up though, and using it for my own dastardley server when nobodys looking 19:54:37 <Brianetta> it's simplest, and most likely not to bomb with an error because something isn't installed 19:54:46 <Brianetta> Sacro: UML 19:54:54 <Brianetta> Server within a server 19:55:29 <Sacro> UML? 19:55:33 <Sacro> ah yes :) 19:55:36 <Sacro> either that or Xen 19:56:04 <Sacro> what is simpleist? 19:56:43 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 19:56:48 * Brianetta shrugs 19:57:10 <Sacro> heh, CentOS? 19:57:29 <Brianetta> I prefer Fedora 19:57:53 <valhallazzzw> debian \o/ 19:57:53 <Sacro> well i was looking at that, but it seemed that CentOS was quicker with security fixes 19:58:02 <Sacro> valhallazzzw: dselect scared me 19:58:29 <Arkus> :O I have found a bug in ottd i think 19:58:31 <Sacro> if it did a base install with no fuss, and then allowed you to build from there, it'd be an awful lot easier 19:58:36 <Sacro> Arkus: doesnt surprise me 19:58:47 <Sacro> Brianetta: autopilot 1.3? 19:59:04 <Arkus> I am building a pretty coal unloading station and one of the pieces of track is facing the wrong way 19:59:10 <Brianetta> yes 19:59:18 <Sacro> Arkus: known newstations bug 19:59:23 <Brianetta> You might need to rename it autopilot.tcl 19:59:45 <Arkus> Will my trains still use the dodgy platform? 19:59:50 <hylje> no 19:59:54 <Arkus> darn 19:59:58 <Arkus> good job i only need 2 platforms then ;) 20:00:10 <Sacro> Brianetta: done, bbs, got to move 20:00:12 <Sacro> Arkus: yes 20:00:16 <Sacro> will use it fine 20:00:22 <Sacro> AFAIK its just a display glitch 20:00:32 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:02:00 <peter1138> hmm, yeah 20:02:04 <peter1138> maybe i should look at that, heh 20:02:18 *** lws|Away is now known as lws1984 20:02:57 <hylje> yes you should 20:10:22 *** lws1984 [n=lws1984@ip68-9-157-1.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit ["Quit"] 20:10:37 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:10:57 *** paulstuffins [n=paulstuf@host-84-9-15-207.bulldogdsl.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:11:13 <Sacro> Brianetta: im back :) 20:11:59 <Brianetta> two secs 20:12:01 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit ["So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish"] 20:12:02 <Brianetta> Helen demands tea 20:12:18 <Sacro> ahh, just glad its not the other way around :S 20:12:58 <Brianetta> OK, kettle's on 20:13:08 <Sacro> nice, ActiveTCL has just installed 20:13:14 <Brianetta> Good. 20:13:27 <Brianetta> It probably whinges like a kid about autopilot 20:13:42 <Sacro> heh, it'll be fun to try 20:13:49 <Brianetta> you need to make a single change 20:14:02 <Brianetta> add this line near the top: 20:14:06 <Brianetta> package require Expect 20:14:35 <Sacro> hang on, misplaced it :S 20:14:44 <Brianetta> heh 20:14:49 <Brianetta> It needs to be in your openttd directory 20:15:40 <Sacro> ill download the nightly now 20:17:58 <Sacro> Brianetta: right, ready 20:18:45 <Brianetta> Excellent. 20:18:51 <Brianetta> Run autopilot (: 20:18:55 <Sacro> r5462 sat ready 20:18:59 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:21 <Sacro> ...\openttd.exe' is not a valid win32 application 20:19:28 <Brianetta> I expected that. 20:19:37 <Brianetta> This is exactly the problem we're trying to fix. 20:19:42 <Sacro> need $(EXE) 20:19:47 <Brianetta> Can you edit the autopilot 20:19:59 <Sacro> yep 20:20:03 <Brianetta> wait 20:20:06 <Brianetta> [21:19] <Sacro> need $(EXE) 20:20:07 <Brianetta> What's that? 20:20:10 * Sacro hugs Scite 20:20:15 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-20-248.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:20:18 <Sacro> ah its used in makefiles 20:20:29 <Brianetta> hmm 20:20:30 <Sacro> you set it to ".exe" when building for windows 20:20:47 <Brianetta> ok 20:20:54 <Brianetta> so, you editing the autopilot? 20:21:01 <Sacro> yep 20:21:13 <Brianetta> find the first line with spawn in it 20:21:48 <Sacro> exp_spawn ./openttd -c $config -D -g $arg2 20:21:52 <Brianetta> yey 20:21:56 <Sacro> guessing a s/openttd/openttd.exe is needed 20:22:07 <Brianetta> try that first 20:23:15 <Sacro> nope 20:23:20 <Brianetta> actually, best if we're editing the third spawn line 20:23:22 <Brianetta> exp_spawn ./openttd -c $config -D 20:23:25 <Sacro> could it be because theres a space in the pwd? 20:23:28 <Sacro> yep, i figured that 20:23:33 <Brianetta> since that's the one that is run if there's no args 20:23:36 <Sacro> line 53 20:23:43 * Brianetta starts counting 20:23:53 <Brianetta> I have it open in a browser 20:24:07 <Sacro> heh 20:24:13 <Sacro> its the 3rd one down 20:24:29 <Sacro> "exp_spawn ./openttd.exe -c $config -D" 20:24:35 <Brianetta> Try it 20:24:41 <Sacro> nope, it fails 20:24:51 <Sacro> its thinking its a win32 console app 20:24:59 <Brianetta> OK, try changing it to this: 20:25:05 <Brianetta> exp_spawn cmd /c ./openttd -c $config -D 20:25:24 <Brianetta> exp_spawn cmd /c ./openttd -c $config -D 20:25:28 <Brianetta> highlighted the addition 20:26:03 <Sacro> zonealarm queries it 20:26:11 <Brianetta> Let it through 20:26:15 <Brianetta> It's a dedicated server 20:26:25 <Brianetta> It might get listed on the master server (: 20:26:41 <Brianetta> Did it run? 20:26:53 <Brianetta> Doesn't matter at this point whether it works properly 20:27:01 <Sacro> write(spawn_id=]: broken pipe while executing "exp send_"debug_level net=0\n"" 20:27:03 <Brianetta> only that the dedicated server is started 20:27:12 <Brianetta> drat 20:27:15 <Sacro> line 71 20:27:35 <Brianetta> yeah, the first time it tries to type anything, it's not htere 20:27:50 <Sacro> seems like that 20:28:09 <Sacro> i wonder how high i can cap CentOS before my brother notices 20:28:10 <Brianetta> right 20:28:29 <Brianetta> Looks like this isn't going to be solved quickly - thanks for your help 20:28:33 <Brianetta> one more thing 20:28:38 <Brianetta> can you run tclsh 20:28:40 <Sacro> im here all night 20:28:48 <Brianetta> and then tell me what this command says: 20:28:48 <Sacro> yes :) 20:28:55 <Brianetta> puts $tcl_platform(platform) 20:28:55 <Sacro> % 20:29:13 <Sacro> windows 20:29:17 <Brianetta> Excellent. 20:29:27 * Sacro imagines a mr burns kind of voice 20:29:46 <Brianetta> More of a series 1 Mr. Burns 20:29:55 <Sacro> oooh 20:30:00 <Brianetta> % puts $tcl_platform(platform) 20:30:00 <Brianetta> unix 20:30:37 <Sacro> hmm, my laptop says that too 20:31:06 <hylje> http://hylje.fi/files/b/excellent.jpg 20:31:54 <Brianetta> afk for a bit 20:33:20 <Sacro> hylje: hehehe 20:33:38 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing something else"] 20:37:16 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:38:36 *** dp [n=dp@p54B2F21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:42:42 <Sacro> hmm, say ive downloaded the CentOS dvd, and i want to use 3/4cd's instead, is there a way to split it? 20:42:52 <Sacro> or do i have to do a USB/ftp install 20:43:01 <hylje> not sure 20:43:55 <Sacro> no...me neither 20:47:18 <Sacro> ah well :) gonna be fun 20:47:25 <Sacro> ill mount it, and make a USB key, and do it over NFS 20:47:32 <Sacro> i wish it had samba install though 20:50:27 <Sacro> ah, http install, thats easier 20:52:39 <peter1138> Need for speed! 20:53:02 <hylje> :E 20:53:05 <Sacro> peter1138: ? 20:53:13 <peter1138> nfs heh 20:53:14 <hylje> Network FileSystem: Underground 20:53:18 <peter1138> lol 20:56:12 <Brianetta> Back soon 20:56:13 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 20:57:56 *** dp-- [n=dp@p54B2E3CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:57:57 *** dp is now known as dp-- 20:59:10 *** TL|Away [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:59:36 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:00:18 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:01:45 *** GrGene_ is now known as BlGene 21:02:14 *** TL|Away [n=trueligh@truelight.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:02:37 <Sacro> :O is him 21:02:50 <hylje> :O 21:03:39 <orudge> Run for the hills! 21:04:07 <Sacro> arrrrrrrrgh ITS AN ORUDGE 21:04:21 <hylje> HIT ITS WEAK SPOT 21:04:21 <Sacro> orudge: dont you live in the hills? 21:04:40 <hylje> FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE 21:05:02 <Sacro> boom - hedgehog 21:05:06 * orudge eats the hills for breakfast 21:05:27 <Sacro> run away from the hills! and if you see anymore, run away from them! 21:17:20 *** jonty-comp [n=Jonty@88-107-55-192.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:19:24 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B811D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:22:13 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 21:26:34 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:27:06 <Brianetta> OK, whos daft idea was it to give the openttd dedicated server a text window instead of just letting it be a console application? 21:27:16 <Brianetta> (win32 version) 21:31:43 *** orudge` [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:18 *** orudge [n=orudge@host81-157-18-207.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:32:49 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 21:34:39 <Frostregen> hmm, never seen it different 21:35:10 <Brianetta> It's never been different 21:35:17 <Brianetta> but you rnu openttd -D in a command window 21:35:22 <Brianetta> and you get... another window! 21:35:25 <Brianetta> yey 21:35:26 <Frostregen> yup 21:35:32 <Brianetta> shame it's impossible to autopilot that 21:35:40 <Brianetta> and it's *only* Windows 21:35:57 <Brianetta> For every other platform, openttd does it properly 21:36:30 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 21:37:20 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 21:38:00 <Frostregen> hmm 21:40:06 <Brianetta> need a patch, I suppose 21:40:24 <Frostregen> just looking into the code 21:40:50 <Frostregen> #if defined(WIN32) 21:40:50 <Frostregen> //CreateConsole(); 21:40:50 <Frostregen> #endif 21:41:10 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-212-50-170-88.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:41:45 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:47:54 <ln-> what's the status of München maglev? 21:48:37 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387CE4A.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:48:51 <Sacro> ? 21:48:53 <Sacro> brb 21:48:53 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 21:51:17 *** Morlark [n=Sean@82-71-32-147.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:52:06 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:52:45 <hylje> gief 21:53:02 <Sacro> back 21:53:27 <Brianetta> Looks like it 21:53:27 <Sacro> feig? 21:53:43 <Sacro> now...to install CentOS without a cd drive 21:53:46 <Brianetta> Frostregen: I don't suppose you can compile it without that line? 21:53:52 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B811D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:53:55 <Sacro> and a distinct lack of NFS 21:55:03 <Brianetta> Anybody with a working Win32 dev environment, please tell me if openttd dedicated server works if openttd.c line 364 is removed 21:55:18 <Brianetta> It's a stupid line and not deserving of being there 21:55:40 <Frostregen> it starts 21:55:45 <Frostregen> without anything 21:55:46 <Frostregen> =) 21:55:53 *** BlGene [n=GrGene@ppp-82-135-7-144.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit ["leaving"] 21:55:58 <Brianetta> #if defined(WIN32) 21:55:58 <Brianetta> BreakAutopilot(); 21:55:58 <Brianetta> #endif 21:56:25 <Frostregen> the correct line is in dedicated_v.c 122 21:56:28 <Brianetta> Perhaps CreateConsole needs adjusting 21:57:27 <Sacro> Brianetta: i would...however im just installing CentOS for work 21:57:55 <Frostregen> if so, i don't know how 21:58:13 <Brianetta> It creates a window and redirects stdio to/from it 21:58:41 <Brianetta> It's in win32,c 21:59:17 <Eddi|zuHause> so you want it to use the existing console instead? 21:59:23 <Brianetta> Of course 21:59:26 <Brianetta> like every other OS 21:59:41 <Brianetta> Otherwise, autopilot remains a tool for the minority 22:00:11 <Brianetta> There is literally no way at all that any autopilot-like application can be made with that window stealing the console 22:00:24 <Brianetta> It also means you can't run a dedicated server via telnet (: 22:00:41 <Brianetta> um, not that I'd endorse that 22:00:44 <hylje> who runs dedicated o windows anyway 22:00:50 <Brianetta> hylje: Several 22:00:57 <Brianetta> I've had requests for Windows support 22:01:00 <hylje> k 22:01:04 <Brianetta> but I can't provide it 22:01:34 <valhallazzzw> cygwin should work ;) 22:01:47 <Brianetta> That's the other way 22:02:11 <Sacro> force USB boot... 22:02:20 <Brianetta> It just seems so daft that there's a special case for Windows that needn't be there 22:02:24 <Sacro> bums 22:03:12 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-1052.wfd81a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit ["( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.0 :: www.XLhost.de )"] 22:15:27 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B850EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:16:13 *** morbid [n=piwsko@bxv149.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 22:17:07 *** tokai|noir [n=tokai@p54B850EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 22:19:36 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B850EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:21:04 *** [Shaman] [n=nnscript@ip503c1f52.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:21:05 *** [Shaman] is now known as Xaroth_ 22:21:18 *** Xaroth_ is now known as [Shaman] 22:23:07 <Frostregen> hmm, can't find a way to change it to console 22:30:34 <Sacro> what? 22:33:50 <Brianetta> dedicated server 22:34:01 <Brianetta> Sacro: autopilot for Windows is impossible 22:35:24 <Sacro> Brianetta: shame 22:35:32 <Sacro> seems that so is installing CentOS without a CDROM or USB key 22:35:55 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:36:14 <Brianetta> You need a boot device 22:37:29 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B811D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:37:37 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B811D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:37:43 <Sacro> Brianetta: PXE is my last hope 22:38:04 <Sacro> followed by "extracting" its hard drive 22:38:07 <roboman> hello 22:38:28 <Brianetta> roboman 22:39:52 *** Angst [n=Angst@p549462EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["gn"] 22:45:02 <Wolf01|AFK> 'night 22:45:05 *** Wolf01|AFK [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has quit ["e ricordate, per la legge di avogadro non esiste cazzo quadro"] 22:45:58 *** Arkus [n=daniel@wildair.plus.com] has quit [] 22:57:35 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 23:00:44 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openTTD 23:01:25 <Stixsmaster> hey in the nightly build, it doesnt let me build anything as soon as i start a new scenario and i was wondering how do you get the build what ever option to work? 23:01:50 <Eddi|zuHause> check your start date 23:02:10 <Eddi|zuHause> with the normal trainset, you should not start before 1950 23:02:39 <Stixsmaster> why? 23:03:11 <Eddi|zuHause> because there is nothing to build ;) 23:03:45 <Stixsmaster> ahh ok well thx for the help and well that is good to know 23:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> you can use alternative trainsets (by installing newgrfs) 23:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> then you can do early starts 23:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> like 1920 23:04:47 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:04:53 <Stixsmaster> yea i got sum new ones to join the briennetta server and i have no clue if i spelled the server name correct 23:07:10 <Stixsmaster> well off to play openTTD the latest nightly build 23:07:13 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye for now!"] 23:07:59 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 23:10:06 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:13:47 *** tokai|odw2 [n=tokai@p54B850EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["It's like, wah."] 23:18:58 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 23:19:51 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:21:05 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:23:39 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 23:27:05 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-247-47.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit ["Gone"] 23:28:05 *** Bjarni [n=Bjarni@0x535ca23b.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:28:30 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openTTD 23:29:02 <Stixsmaster> ok i have taken eddi's advice on the start date and still i cant build sh*t so yea now what? 23:29:18 <Zavior> Reinstall everything 23:29:59 <Stixsmaster> on everything do you mean just reinstall all of OTTD? 23:31:13 <Zavior> .. ootd :> 23:31:28 <Stixsmaster> huh? 23:32:55 *** roboman [n=Leo@c211-30-120-103.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:34:25 <Zavior> ottd. 23:36:19 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:36:20 <Stixsmaster> ok i reinstalled everything and still same thing...the build option is not available 23:36:38 <Stixsmaster> everything else works 23:37:54 <Zavior> Have you edited the config file? 23:38:17 <Stixsmaster> the openttd.cfg yea 23:39:47 <Stixsmaster> i just added newgrf 23:40:08 *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:43:47 <Stixsmaster> ok nvm i figured out the problem i just wasnt building the proper building...jeeses crist im a dumbass 23:44:21 <Stixsmaster> well thx for the help anyways 23:44:43 <Stixsmaster> if i really like this chatroom because soo many ppl like you guys help out alot 23:44:52 *** Stixsmaster [n=Stixsmas@c-69-243-217-13.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit ["Bye for now!"] 23:45:36 *** Maedhros [n=jc@gentoo/developer/Maedhros] has quit ["leaving"] 23:50:03 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-20-248.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit ["Miranda IM! 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