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00:00:07 <kbrooks> what are electrified rails? 00:00:27 <hylje> rails with electrified wires overhead 00:00:28 <ln-> hylje: yes. i.e. it converts the conv to elrail if necessary 00:00:47 <ln-> for that one tile. 00:01:08 <hylje> should be useful 00:02:18 <RichK67> final draft.... comments... ??? http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/screenshot6.png 00:03:49 <Frostregen> the green button is not convenient, but good 00:04:13 <RichK67> i thought "make it big and easy to hit" 00:04:19 <Frostregen> yup 00:04:31 <ln-> how many clicks are needed to set the date to e.g. year 2000? 00:04:47 <RichK67> click and hold works 00:06:41 <kbrooks> hylje: are electrified rails faster 00:07:16 <ln-> i thought rails keep still on the ground. 00:07:45 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 00:07:52 <RichK67> some electric trains are, but generally they are faster and more powerful, with a lower running cost 00:09:13 <Belugas_Gone> hello 00:09:24 <Belugas_Gone> nice work RichK67 00:09:39 <Belugas_Gone> suggestion : 00:10:00 <Belugas_Gone> start date : a line for itself 00:10:11 <Belugas_Gone> that would give breathing room 00:10:43 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176122066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 00:10:58 <Belugas_Gone> then, randomize will be aligned with generate and png button 00:12:12 <kbrooks> RichK67: why lower running cost? wheres the logic 00:12:43 <CIA-3> richk * r5484 /branches/TGP/ (lang/english.txt tgp_gui.c): 00:12:43 <CIA-3> [TGP]: New GUI. Reorganised many elements. Added start date and snow line height. SLH is disabled for non-arctic terrains. 00:12:43 <CIA-3> Ugly hack in english.txt: I needed a drop down with numbers 2 to 13. Had to add each as a string to english.txt. Need a better way to get a drop down with a number range. 00:13:17 <Belugas_Gone> random seed should be enlarged to match terrain type and lower 00:15:02 *** Rens2Sea [n=Rens2Sea@213.211.185.156] has quit [] 00:15:05 <Belugas_Gone> right align towns and industries with right terrain type, random seed etc right border 00:15:29 <RichK67> that will crunch into snow line 00:16:09 <RichK67> tell you what... all the devs can fight over the gui, and whoever gets the last commit before it goes trunk, gets their choice ;)( 00:16:48 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 00:16:58 <RichK67> gui is a pig... ive tried to get something that looks aesthetically balanced... your suggestions will end up as one (unbalanced) large left column :( 00:17:37 <RichK67> and im tired... so sorry if i sound cranky 00:20:31 <RichK67> i wanted randomise to visually associate with the blue entry value... if i put it in the same column as load PNG & Generate, it will associate down, not left 00:20:55 <Belugas_Gone> it's ok, i'm working something out... 00:21:14 <ln-> RichK67: does the "Use PNG Heightmap" open some kind of new dialog? 00:21:29 <RichK67> yes, its a simple load dialog 00:22:15 <RichK67> for loading a PNG heightmap - ive included 5 - usa, w europe, san francisco, africa, meditteranean 00:22:17 <ln-> then you should probably add "..." to the end, which usually means that pressing a button doesn't perform the action instantaneously, but opens another dialog. 00:22:30 <ln-> "Use PNG Heightmap..." 00:22:54 <RichK67> it will make the string too long for the box again ... ;) 00:23:07 <RichK67> but yes, i generally agree 00:24:05 <RichK67> the load png is really cool - you can play the same terrain with different random towns / climates :) 00:24:59 *** BJH [n=chatzill@e176101113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:26:12 <RichK67> ln: the norm in OTTD is load dialogs dont have ... on their buttons 00:31:41 <ln-> i see 00:31:57 <RichK67> (but i had to check ... ) 00:33:13 <Belugas_Gone> RichK67 : http://openttd.belugasmasques.org/mockup.png 00:33:20 <Belugas_Gone> that is what i mean... 00:33:35 <Belugas_Gone> not completely happy with it, 00:33:44 <Belugas_Gone> but at least, it is a bit more... 00:33:46 <Belugas_Gone> hem 00:33:51 <Belugas_Gone> balanced 00:33:59 <RichK67> big problem is other languages 00:34:16 <Belugas_Gone> not completely happy with it, did i said ;) 00:35:03 <Belugas_Gone> but you see now what i meant 00:35:12 <RichK67> the strings can get very long... eg. Taille de la carte for "Map Size" 00:35:25 <RichK67> yeah, gui is a pig 00:35:41 <Belugas_Gone> well... the overall window has to be enlarged anyway 00:35:55 <RichK67> yeah, that will probably have to be the solution 00:35:59 <RichK67> :( 00:36:48 <Belugas_Gone> i removed the no. for industries and towns beasue it is quite evident that is what we're dealing with 00:37:06 <RichK67> as i said - personally i feel that the randomise button is now associated with the ones below it, not the actual number 00:39:38 <RichK67> ok - time for bed... if you have further thoughts/sketches, PM me 00:39:57 <Belugas_Gone> i will 00:40:02 <Belugas_Gone> night' 00:40:12 <RichK67> imo, TGP should now be reviewed... we can clean the gui as part of the review 00:40:26 <Belugas_Gone> dev mail would be fine ;) 00:40:40 <RichK67> ok 00:40:42 <RichK67> gn 00:41:06 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has quit [] 00:42:00 *** The-Moon [n=The-Moon@c-68-45-84-249.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:42:32 *** HackyKid [n=Hackykid@ip5655e868.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:44:05 <ln-> Celestar: this little patch fixes the great annoyance of connecting regular and elrail tracks together. works on network, too. http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/rail-elrail-intersection-automagic-conversion.diff 00:44:54 <vrak> are there any gotchas or things i need to be aware of when using replace (for train engines in this case) ? 00:45:15 <vrak> (r5476 miniIN) 00:53:12 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 00:53:49 *** ammler [n=marcel@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 00:54:20 <ammler> someone here, who has access to the openttdcoop server? 00:55:18 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 00:55:36 <Nickman87> hi all, someone here with acces to coop sandbox server? 00:55:36 <glx> ammler: try #openttdcoop 00:55:44 <Nickman87> :D 00:58:12 *** mikk36 [i=mikk36@pc217.host1.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 00:58:20 <mikk36> heh... found ya :D 01:00:53 *** Damme [n=damme@c-c592e455.41-0185-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 01:04:24 *** A1win [i=a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:04:52 *** A1win [i=a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 01:07:56 <ammler> mikk36: you mean us? 01:08:18 <mikk36> you as openttd people.. hte irc channel etc :D 01:08:23 <mikk36> the* 01:08:45 <glx> it's not that hard to find #openttd 01:09:44 *** kbrooks [n=kbrooks@unaffiliated/kbrooks] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:11:56 *** Nickman87 [n=nickman@dD5778837.access.telenet.be] has left #openttd [] 01:18:50 *** Zbeynex [n=Sean@host81-154-12-107.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:26:29 *** Artea [i=xtreme@bl7-208-143.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:26:56 <mikk36> true, but it's the first time i tried though :D 01:29:03 *** Deathmaker [n=Miranda@p548276A8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:33:33 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:33:39 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 01:41:59 <roboman> gmorning 01:42:24 <mikk36> yah, morning... 04:42 :D 01:42:33 *** ems [n=e@203-214-153-235.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:42:35 <ems> hello 01:42:47 <ems> what year is monorail in nightly? 01:43:02 <glx> same as 0.4.7 01:43:15 <glx> depends of newgrfs too 01:43:36 <ems> glx: which is? 01:43:52 <glx> 2001 or so 01:44:02 <glx> if I remember well 01:44:08 <ems> oh okay 01:44:14 <ems> shit 25 more years 01:44:20 *** vrak_ [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 01:44:21 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:44:22 <mikk36> lol 01:44:29 <mikk36> and maglev in 2021 or so 01:44:43 <mikk36> last time i skipped monorail totally :) 01:45:00 <mikk36> too painful to tranfer from one type to other if u have all railroads connected :D 01:45:41 <mikk36> but still nice to earn 350 million buks in year on 256x256 map when competeing with brother :D 01:45:46 <mikk36> bucks* 01:45:52 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 01:46:21 <mikk36> damn it was already slow to scroll over map with my laptop :D 01:46:25 <mikk36> celeronM 1.4 01:47:28 <mikk36> it's like 15 cities with 10k+ people 01:48:07 *** Artea [i=xtreme@bl7-208-119.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:51:42 *** vrak_ [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:51:47 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 02:03:09 *** ammler [n=marcel@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:08:01 *** BJH_ [n=chatzill@e176122066.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]"] 02:08:32 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 02:12:21 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:14:47 *** ammler_away [n=ammler@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 02:19:53 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:21:45 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 02:40:04 *** ammler_away [n=ammler@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:01:15 *** CrazyGoogle [n=schamane@p5498D54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:16:44 *** Schamane_ [n=schamane@p5498D9FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:27:07 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has quit ["Peace and Protection 4.22"] 03:31:08 *** fusey [i=fusion@69-160-51-207.ontrca.adelphia.net] has joined #openttd 04:03:43 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["Bye!"] 04:55:40 *** roboman is now known as robohomework 05:04:45 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:11:16 *** Red885 is now known as Red 05:11:59 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 05:12:00 *** _Red is now known as Red 05:12:53 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 05:36:39 *** robohomework is now known as roboman 05:52:17 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 05:53:36 *** exe_ [n=dfsfd@pub82.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 05:58:11 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 06:00:01 *** Red380 [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 06:09:02 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:16:41 *** Jenkz [n=nobody@80-192-44-21.cable.ubr05.dund.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 06:31:00 *** ammler_away [n=ammler@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:31:01 *** ammler_away is now known as ammler 06:33:55 *** _Red is now known as Red 06:34:36 *** Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #openttd 06:35:51 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 06:35:58 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-198-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:35:58 *** Red380 is now known as Red 06:36:32 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 06:38:03 *** Triffid_Hunter [n=Splat@funkmunch.net] has joined #openttd 06:41:35 *** Mucht [n=Mucht@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 06:45:12 *** ammler_away [n=ammler@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:53:42 *** ammler_away is now known as amm1er 06:54:18 *** amm1er [n=ammler@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 06:54:22 *** ammler [n=ammler@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:55:07 *** amm1er [n=ammler@160.156.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 06:55:28 <Celestar> yes? 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10:05:37 <Artea_> i bet the record of this channel 10:05:48 <Artea_> talk to much 10:05:54 <Artea_> with auto-away on 10:06:31 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C184.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:06:33 <guru3> hahaha 10:06:35 <guru3> +q lol 10:07:00 <Artea_> TrueLight likes me 10:07:09 <Artea_> so he put +q 10:07:31 <guru3> +q generally isn't for liking 10:07:31 <ln-> wth is +q? 10:07:38 <guru3> +q is so that you can't talk 10:07:42 <guru3> at least, in irc modes it is 10:07:59 <ln-> is it something freenode-specific? 10:08:11 <guru3> not that i know if 10:09:19 <RichK67_wrk> odd.. you seemed very capable of talking here yesterday... about things you clearly know nothing about (ie.OTTD gui) 10:09:25 <TrueLight> Artea_: you do know you are now asking to get a +q on this name too, don't you? 10:09:28 <ln-> hmm. on ircnet the same thing can be achieved by banning someone (but not kicking) 10:09:42 <TrueLight> I mean, the +q will stay there till you either said you disabled the autoaway script ,or leave all together 10:09:56 <Artea_> TrueLight: but i tell u 10:10:08 <TrueLight> Artea_: but you tell me what? 10:10:13 <Artea_> my auto-away active in 120 min in idle 10:10:22 <Artea_> and everytime someone call me 10:10:28 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:10:29 <Artea_> eXtreme send the msg 10:10:36 <TrueLight> so I tell you again, if I ever see the script again, I ban your for ever 10:10:43 <Artea_> i try it doing with quiet-away 10:10:46 * guru3 votes TrueLight for president 10:10:48 <Artea_> but... +q pwnz me 10:11:00 <Artea_> i take off the auto-away 10:11:03 *** Sacro_ [n=ben@adsl-213-249-187-45.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:11:08 <Zavior> Why is it so hard to just type /nick blablaaway 10:11:09 <TrueLight> because I already see it happen that we all have an auto-away script.. would be fun talking to everyone :s 10:11:15 <Zavior> Or better yet, just use the /away command 10:11:20 <guru3> ding ding ding 10:11:23 <guru3> we have a winner Zavior 10:11:24 <TrueLight> I agree with Zavior :) 10:11:37 <TrueLight> IRC has things for that, and it is called /away yes :) 10:11:42 <ln-> i disagree with Zavior 10:11:44 <Artea_> Zavior: lol ? auto-away... ? 10:11:57 <roboman> what happened with the talk of buying www.microprose.com and it redirecting to the openttd homepage 10:12:07 <TrueLight> roboman: feel free 10:12:10 <guru3> it you're gone for two fucking hours before away turns on 10:12:11 <ln-> using away-nicks is almost as silly as public auto-away messages 10:12:14 <guru3> it's pretty pointless 10:12:16 <TrueLight> I have the DNS and other facilities for it :) 10:12:30 <TrueLight> ln-: it is the better option 10:12:40 <TrueLight> ln-: nick names don't talk on their own ;) 10:12:57 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-187-45.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 10:12:58 <TrueLight> 20 people with Away in their name doesn't make the channel more alive :) 10:13:09 <TrueLight> 20 people with Artea_ his 'script' makes the channel pretty alive.... in a pretty wrong way :p 10:13:25 <tank_> Zavior: why should he change his nick? that's spam 10:13:38 <Artea_> TrueLight: try use eXtreme 10:13:40 <tank_> Zavior: he just would have to type "/away reason". everyone can read in the whois if he is there or not 10:13:50 <tank_> Zavior: without any spam for the channel 10:13:52 <Zavior> tank_, did you read what I just said..? 10:13:53 <TrueLight> Artea_: if it comes with those stupid scripts I seemly can't disable, I refuse 10:13:55 <RichK67_wrk> ln-: at least with an away nick, you dont get impatient people pinging you, and then getting bitchy that you havent replied - when ive got the window minimised/hidden so i can get on with work. 10:14:13 <Zavior> [13:11:10] [Zavior]: Or better yet, just use the /away command 10:14:15 <tank_> Zavior: just one line:) but nickchanging is no alternative:) 10:14:17 <TrueLight> RichK67_wrk: I know the problem :) 10:14:19 <Artea_> TrueLight: i don't think the auto-away stupid... but ok 10:14:32 <Artea_> TrueLight: i can disable 10:14:34 <guru3> haha... just noticed something 10:14:41 <TrueLight> Artea_: your opinion and you are free to have it. Just we don't allow it in here :) 10:14:44 <Artea_> it's disable 10:14:45 <guru3> 12:20:33 < TrueLight> 20 people with Artea_ his 'script' makes the channel pretty alive.... in a pretty wrong way :p 10:14:49 <guru3> that's what it's just done :P 10:14:53 <Artea_> since i got +q :/ 10:14:53 <guru3> with people arguing over it 10:15:01 <TrueLight> guru3: true ;) 10:15:20 <RichK67_wrk> true - channel was dead this morning until artea spread his presence ;) 10:15:30 <TrueLight> So he is at least good for something 10:15:45 <Sacro> hellooooooo everybody 10:15:49 <TrueLight> hi Sacro 10:15:59 <TrueLight> Sacro is also always a person to make this channel more alive ;) 10:16:17 <Sacro> ooh yes :) and i can kill it quite effectivly too 10:16:25 <Artea_> i'm God of Talk 10:16:26 <Artea_> LOL 10:16:33 <TrueLight> hehe @ Sacro :) 10:16:47 <Sacro> i need to find a CentOS 4.3 compatible webcam... :( 10:16:56 <TrueLight> haha :) 10:16:58 <TrueLight> good luck ;) 10:17:00 *** TinoM [n=Tino@i5387C184.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:28 <Artea_> Sacro: do u search it @ SourceForge ? 10:17:40 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 10:17:50 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 10:18:08 <Sacro> Artea_: i dont hold much hope, our office keeps having money stolen, and the IP cam seems to get die 10:18:33 <Artea_> :/ 10:18:43 <guru3> "oops" 10:19:06 <TrueLight> just get a VCR camera 10:19:09 <TrueLight> rarely fails :p 10:19:14 <Artea_> void ShowOperatingProfitGraph(void); 10:19:15 <Artea_> void ShowIncomeGraph(void); 10:19:26 <Artea_> this is good var to MySQL acess 10:19:35 <Artea_> TrueLight: sorry... i can't resist 10:20:03 <Artea_> * good vars * access * 10:20:15 <TrueLight> whhhhhhhiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee, wine 0.9.17 wants to compile :) (0.9.14 failed, 0.9.16 failed, it seems like they are making it a default ;)) 10:20:34 <guru3> wine :D 10:20:37 <Artea_> hehe 10:20:53 <Artea_> wine pwn 10:20:53 <ln-> who is in charge for the next release? 10:21:14 <Sacro> TrueLight: check out ies4linux :P 10:21:39 <TrueLight> Sacro: no tnx, I am glad I finally got ride of that 10:22:09 <Sacro> TrueLight: i need ie6 for website checking, and router setting 10:22:21 <guru3> evil ie 10:22:30 <TrueLight> Lol! Their site is funny 10:22:34 <TrueLight> o clicks needed. No boring setup processes. No Wine complications. <- read the last part 10:22:43 <TrueLight> Install instructions: 10:22:44 <TrueLight> First, get Wine and cabextract. 10:22:50 <Artea_> TrueLight: sorry i talk all the time about MySQL... but since i got a manual "Writing MySQL programs Using C" 10:23:08 <Artea_> i excited with try coding something to OTTD... 10:23:24 <Sacro> Artea_: is it a book or a pdf? 10:23:32 <TrueLight> Sacro: it can indeed be useful to test websites, but still :p 10:23:32 <RichK67_wrk> artea: fine, why not go program something with it, rather than just talk about it :) 10:23:33 <Artea_> pdf e-book 10:23:57 <Sacro> TrueLight: we have routers at work that dont work with firefox or opera 10:24:10 <TrueLight> Sacro: I just sell those routers :p 10:24:13 <Artea_> RichK67_wrk: i hate programming... lolz.. but believe, i going try only for OTTD 10:24:16 <Sacro> hmm, i dont have konqueror, is there another gnome browser thta uses the same rendering engine? 10:24:21 <TrueLight> I use Dell switches (bad choice, but they were the cheapest with 1 GBit support) 10:24:27 <TrueLight> and you cna't access them with FireFox either :p 10:25:05 <Sacro> ours are a mixture of cheap makes, but they do the job 10:26:04 <TrueLight> Wine is getting better and better by the day 10:26:06 <Artea_> who talk yesterday about auto-resize window code ? 10:26:24 <Artea_> TrueLight: it's because has good coders 10:26:29 <RichK67_wrk> Truelight, Sacro: did you catch the latest TGP screen :) http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/screenshot6.png 10:26:47 <Artea_> Sacro: want the ebook ? 10:26:59 <TrueLight> RichK67_wrk: I still truely wonder about that Random Seed 10:27:01 <Sacro> Artea_: wouldnt say no ;) 10:27:05 <TrueLight> normal users wouldn't give a shit 10:27:07 <ln-> is it freely distributable? 10:27:11 <TrueLight> so maybe an Advanced dialog 10:27:22 <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: VERY NICE :) 10:27:48 <Artea_> Sacro: want or not ? (just a great question...) 10:28:01 <TrueLight> RichK67_wrk: For the rest, the Use PNG Heigthmap is off by 2 to 4 pixels (yeah, I always complain about pixels :p). The height that is 10:28:02 <Sacro> Artea_: yep 10:28:09 <RichK67_wrk> TL: advanced dialog planned for v2... 10:28:41 *** schalala [n=Miranda@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 10:28:43 <TrueLight> RichK67_wrk: or maybe a button that you can press that the window extends in a bigger window with more options :) 10:28:51 *** schalala [n=Miranda@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has left #openttd [] 10:28:54 <TrueLight> But okay, it looks nice :) 10:29:04 <ln-> Artea_: using SQLite may be a better idea for a database that should need no configuration. 10:29:31 <TrueLight> Sacro: it doesn't install IE 4 or IE 3? :( 10:30:07 <RichK67_wrk> the base of the PNG button is lined up with the top of the sea level button... being blue it stands out more, and it makes it look narrower than it is! (the random seed panel is the same height as the randomise button, but it looks thinner) 10:30:07 <Artea_> ln-: and manuals with info about it ? do u have it ? 10:30:14 <Sacro> TrueLight: no, i wish it did, i like the ooooold browsers 10:30:41 <peter1138> http://www.sqlite.org/docs.html 10:30:48 <TrueLight> RichK67_wrk: serious? Because the Random Button looks good, but the PNG button looks really bad :p 10:30:51 <Sacro> i use MySQL 10:30:53 <peter1138> that was really hard to find... first hit on google... 10:31:07 <Artea_> ok 10:31:10 <TrueLight> hehe @ peter1138, 1-0 :) 10:31:10 <Sacro> peter1138: yeah, but it saves us time if you find the link! 10:31:13 <Artea_> peter pwned me :/ 10:31:23 <peter1138> btw 10:31:29 <RichK67_wrk> yup, all buttons are 11 high, except for generate 10:31:31 <peter1138> nothing wrong with auto-away 10:31:35 <peter1138> it's the *message* that's the problem 10:31:46 <Artea_> ... 10:31:55 <TrueLight> I agree with peter1138 yes 10:32:15 <Artea_> the first message or second+ message ? 10:32:20 <peter1138> any 10:32:20 <TrueLight> Sacro: ies4linux is nice, I have to give you that ;) First time I see a fully automated install script :) 10:32:29 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm29.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:32:36 <Sacro> TrueLight: i was impressed 10:32:43 <TrueLight> Even Flash 9 10:32:46 <peter1138> whoops 10:32:48 <Skiddles^> RAWRARGH 10:32:53 <Artea_> Sacro: do u not want the ebook ? 10:32:53 <peter1138> 11:30 and i've already eaten most of my lunch 10:32:58 <Celestar> yawn 10:33:05 <Sacro> Artea_: yes i do :P 10:33:07 <Skiddles^> *sneeeze* 10:33:08 <Artea_> lol 10:33:15 <Artea_> accept the dcc ;) 10:33:24 <TrueLight> poor peter1138, here, you can have my lunch 10:33:31 <Sacro> Artea_: dont see one 10:33:39 <Zavior> Still haven't had breakfast :< 10:33:54 <Artea_> it's because u are ignoring the dcc files 10:34:43 <Sacro> are you registered? 10:35:09 <TrueLight> Sacro: it emulates 'hints' in IE6 wrong :p 10:35:18 <TrueLight> Sacro: he isn't 10:35:35 <Sacro> so its not my end then... 10:35:41 <Sacro> hints? 10:35:45 <Artea_> Sacro: ftp://ftp.artea.com.pt/ch06-3ed.rar 10:35:47 <TrueLight> register :p 10:36:36 <Artea_> i have 3 ebooks to read 10:36:46 <Artea_> all about C 10:37:00 <Artea_> it's is miracle of OTTD 10:37:21 <Artea_> learning C Programming all because of a g00d game :D 10:37:36 <TrueLight> hanging myself all because of one user..... 10:37:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@adsl-213-249-187-45.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:37:58 <Artea_> TrueLight: it's only because i'm Portuguese 10:38:00 <Artea_> LOLOL 10:38:18 <RichK67_wrk> go on then... dive on in ;) 10:38:35 <Artea_> i know Figo 10:38:52 <Artea_> the one of the great players of Footbal 10:38:57 <Artea_> * Football 10:39:00 <Artea_> hahaha 10:39:29 <RichK67_wrk> and suffers from a stronger gravity field than most ;) 10:40:12 <scia> they are good cryers too 10:40:31 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.22] has joined #openttd 10:40:47 <Artea_> lolz 10:41:55 <Artea_> wtf i just talking about... i hate football... i don't know why... i'm stupid... 10:42:12 <Artea_> Sacro: do u dl the ebook from ftp ? 10:43:21 <ln-> what does the release of 0.4.8 depend on? 10:43:59 <Sacro> WHOOOOOOO, GOT MY VISIBONE PACKAGE :D 10:44:21 <Artea_> ln-: bug fixed 10:44:33 <Artea_> some changes 10:44:47 <Artea_> add featurings 10:44:55 <Sacro> ln-: bugfixes from RC1 10:45:22 <Artea_> and maybe a *glup* Portuguese Town Names DB *glup* 10:45:28 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has joined #openttd 10:46:15 <peter1138> not in a bug fix 10:47:20 <ln-> i think this patch would be quite essential to merge before 0.4.8: http://users.utu.fi/lanurm/ottd/rail-elrail-intersection-automagic-conversion.diff 10:47:43 <ln-> ... or implement the same functionality some other way 10:47:47 <Sacro> ln-: if that does what i think it does...then yes 10:47:59 <peter1138> not really 10:48:03 <peter1138> 0.4.8 doesn't contain elrails... 10:48:16 <ln-> it doesn't? 10:48:18 <ln-> ... 10:48:21 <ln-> interesting 10:48:34 <peter1138> lol 10:48:47 <peter1138> there's already a compatiblerail function... 10:49:07 <Artea_> peter1138: pvt... 10:57:44 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn13-168.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:05:04 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:05:39 <Artea_> [PT]Artea's Public Dedicated Server #2 - Up 11:06:31 <peter1138> i'm sure anyone interested will find it in the server list 11:08:21 <Artea_> lol 11:08:34 <Artea_> i only make a pub 11:08:35 <Artea_> :P 11:11:01 <Artea_> dedicated server don't have a 'Date' cmd/var ? 11:11:23 <Sacro> pub/ 11:11:35 <Sacro> Artea_: ftp? 11:11:42 <Artea_> Sacro: ftp://ftp.artea.com.pt/ch06-3ed.rar 11:11:52 <scia> Artea_: is there beer? 11:12:05 <peter1138> beer? 11:12:07 <peter1138> mmm 11:12:08 <Sacro> stuff the beer, is there women? 11:12:09 <Artea_> scia: no... but has nice girls 11:13:44 <Sacro> Artea_: it wants a password... 11:14:04 <Artea_> anonymous 11:14:32 <Artea_> ftp://anonymous@ftp.artea.com.pt/ch06-3ed.rar 11:15:18 <Sacro> the rar :P 11:15:23 <Artea_> no... 11:15:33 <Zavior> When is the serverlist filter patch going to be implemented? 11:15:45 <Artea_> ... ?!? 11:16:04 <Artea_> it's impossible the rar with passwor 11:16:08 <Artea_> * password 11:16:19 <Artea_> * having password 11:16:36 * Sacro tells wget to try again 11:17:12 <Zavior> Artea_, where is your server hosted? 11:17:18 <Artea_> my pc 11:17:32 <Sacro> hmm, worked that time 11:17:35 <Zavior> Oh, and where is your pc located? 11:17:38 <Sacro> ff being retarded most likely 11:17:43 <Artea_> Lagos, Portugal 11:17:43 <Sacro> Zavior: on his desk :P 11:19:28 <Artea_> Sacro: Zavior has connected to my... 11:19:36 <hylje> :o 11:19:37 <Artea_> ... server ;) 11:19:51 <Sacro> hylje: stop thinking dirty thoughts 11:19:59 <Zavior> Yes, it's the only server that I could find, that wasn't already at 2090 ;< 11:20:16 <Artea_> lolz 11:20:23 <Sacro> ooh, i can set up my MiniIN UKRS nightly today 11:20:39 <Artea_> tonight (GMT Timezone) i will put the #1up 11:21:08 <hylje> Sacro: :o 11:21:17 <Zavior> Serverspree! 11:21:43 <Artea_> maybe i going to make the #3 [Test Server] 11:21:55 <Artea_> with diff custom game 11:22:18 <Sacro> hmm, do i need a WM, or can i just shove firefox ~/display.swf into the .xinitrc 11:22:35 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:22:39 <hylje> i dont think, the X default wm should do 11:22:46 <Artea_> Sacro: try /con/con 11:22:48 <Artea_> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL 11:23:27 <Sacro> hylje: twm? maybe, its running GNOME at the moment, it doesnt need to though, only if theres someone using it 11:23:36 <hylje> yea 11:23:56 <Artea_> i have SUSE 11:24:01 <Sacro> Artea_: im sorry 11:24:10 <Artea_> but i think FC 5 better for pc server 11:24:22 <Sacro> im running CentOS 4.3 11:24:28 <Sacro> though i do like the looks of FC6 11:24:58 <Artea_> Alpha/Beta... ? 11:25:10 <Sacro> Gamma? 11:25:16 <Artea_> Version 11:25:24 <Sacro> oh, alpha currently 11:25:48 <Artea_> i will wait for FC7 or 8 11:25:49 <Artea_> ;) 11:26:03 <Sacro> heh, CentOS does me nicely 11:27:43 <Artea_> i did like SUSE for Server 11:27:51 <Artea_> * didn't 11:28:05 <Sacro> hmm 11:28:24 <Artea_> it's usefull for desktop linux pcs 11:28:35 <Artea_> not for "dedicated server" 11:28:45 *** mgla [n=mgla@wikipedia/mgla] has quit [Client Quit] 11:28:55 <Artea_> of course, it's my point about SUSE 11:29:15 <Artea_> i need a CAD Software for Linux 11:29:35 <Artea_> to put in my father's company 11:30:03 <Artea_> converting Windows Users to Linux Users 11:30:04 <Artea_> HAHA 11:30:22 *** Skiddles^ [n=notme@cm29.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 11:30:39 <Zavior> Artea_, are breakdowns on? 11:30:55 <Artea_> yes 11:31:00 <Zavior> ;-Y 11:31:16 <Artea_> wait a sec 11:31:24 <Zavior> Nah its fine 11:34:08 *** ems [n=e@203-214-153-235.perm.iinet.net.au] has left #openttd ["Leaving"] 11:34:39 <Artea_> Maximum no. of competitors (AI) = 0 Bots // Competitor start time = now 11:34:40 <Artea_> No. of towns = high // No. of industries = high // Maximum initial loan = 1M (1.000.000) 11:34:40 <Artea_> Initial interest rate = 3% Vehicle running costs = low // Construction speed of competitors = very low 11:34:41 <Artea_> Intelligence of competitors = low // Vehicle breakdowns = none // Subsidy multiplier = 1.5 x 11:34:42 <Artea_> Cost of construction = low // Terrain type = very low // Quantity of sea/lakes = very low 11:34:43 <Artea_> Economy = Fluctuating // Train reversing = At end of line, and at stations // Disasters = off 11:34:43 <Artea_> City council's attitude towards area restructuring = Hostile 11:34:55 <Artea_> this is #2 config 11:35:09 <Zavior> kk 11:35:45 *** Morlark [n=Sean@host81-158-232-112.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:38:01 <mikk36> mornin' :) 11:39:08 <mikk36> err.. is my server the only one with one decal id ? http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=9 11:39:21 <mikk36> oters i see are all 4 decals 11:39:25 <mikk36> others* 11:40:00 <TrueLight> Artea_: use pastebin for such pieces of junk 11:40:26 <Artea_> TrueLight: soz... but Zavior ask me about Server Info... 11:40:38 <TrueLight> So? Use pastebin for that 11:40:49 <Artea_> ... 11:41:21 <TrueLight> http://pastebin.com/ for your information 11:41:32 <Artea_> my prob is no sleeping... 11:41:43 <Artea_> thats why i talk to much 11:41:45 <Artea_> :| 11:42:14 *** vrak [i=vrak@putsch.kolbu.ws] has joined #openttd 11:42:32 <Artea_> it's time to sleep 11:42:40 <Artea_> cyaz to all [] ** 11:43:08 <Artea_> Zavior: take care of my *sweet* server 11:43:10 <mikk36> TrueLight, is there also a page on wiki that describes how to compile stuff under windows ? 11:43:17 <TrueLight> mikk36: tons of pages 11:43:35 <mikk36> yesterday i found a link oon the forum to "how to compile under linux", but i can't even find that any more 11:43:52 <TrueLight> if I can find it within 4 clicks 11:43:54 <TrueLight> what do you give me? 11:43:58 <hylje> ./configure, make, run 11:44:08 <TrueLight> hylje: he said windows, so that is a no can do :p 11:44:19 <TrueLight> mikk36: let's see... 11:44:21 <TrueLight> wiki.openttd.org 11:44:24 <TrueLight> ah, Devleopment 11:44:26 <TrueLight> that sounds good 11:44:27 <TrueLight> click 11:44:27 <mikk36> am there already 11:44:31 <TrueLight> Coding tools 11:44:34 <TrueLight> yeah, should be nice 11:44:35 <TrueLight> Windows 11:44:38 <TrueLight> ah, that is what you need 11:44:39 <TrueLight> click 11:44:52 <TrueLight> So... 6 possible ways to compiling OpenTTD on Windows 11:44:56 <TrueLight> now that was SO HARD 11:45:05 <TrueLight> I dunno if I can do that again :p 11:45:10 <mikk36> uhm... yeah.. but there's no direct "how-to" ? 11:45:15 <TrueLight> mikk36: also, on the ofrums are tons of posts 11:45:23 <TrueLight> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_MinGW <- pretty direct 11:45:26 <mikk36> for last 3 11:45:34 <TrueLight> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_DevCPlusPlus <- pretty direct 11:45:56 <TrueLight> even the cygwin is pretty direct 11:46:05 <TrueLight> and else, there are tons of TTForums posts 11:46:34 <Artea_> TrueLight: i will make a statue with your name :P 11:46:42 <Artea_> you are God of OTTD 11:46:44 <Artea_> :P 11:46:56 <TrueLight> Artea_: I think it now really is time for you to go to sleep 11:47:01 <Artea_> lol 11:47:09 <Artea_> i like you too ;) 11:47:12 <Artea_> lolol 11:47:43 <Artea_> i will 11:48:15 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75258.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:20 * Artea_ off 11:48:24 <TrueLight> mikk36: found it? 11:48:30 <mikk36> it what ? 11:48:41 <TrueLight> [13:43:10] <mikk36> TrueLight, is there also a page on wiki that describes how to compile stuff under windows ? 11:48:44 <mikk36> i hoped there would be a bit easier way like in linux with gcc 11:48:55 <TrueLight> mikk36: mingw uses gcc 11:49:22 <TrueLight> after installing the basic tools, it is a simple ./configure && make && ./openttd 11:49:41 <mikk36> also have to ./configure ? 11:49:54 <Artea_> yes 11:50:01 <TrueLight> Artea_: this isn't sleeping 11:50:06 <mikk36> specially needed for win ? 11:50:06 <Artea_> if u dont, u can't configure ;) 11:50:16 <mikk36> Artea_, back to sleep 11:50:18 <Artea_> TrueLight: i resisting ;) 11:50:26 <Artea_> ok 11:50:27 <Artea_> i go 11:50:27 <TrueLight> mikk36: in theory you don't need to configure, but it is wise to do :) 11:50:46 <mikk36> uhm.. and what does it exactly do ? 11:50:50 <TrueLight> configure :p 11:50:56 <mikk36> conf what ? 11:51:00 <TrueLight> the application :) 11:51:01 <TrueLight> haha :) 11:51:09 <TrueLight> Read about basic principels of compiling on the web 11:51:17 <mikk36> *dang* 11:53:07 <TrueLight> mikk36: and even more if you know linux a bit, you should know configure :p 11:53:59 <Maedhros> if i wanted to make trains able to pick up cargo for as long as they're in a station when not on Full Load, where would be a good place to start looking? 11:54:10 <Maedhros> i've tried changing if (v->current_order.flags & OF_FULL_LOAD to if (!(v->current_order.flags & OF_UNLOAD) in train_cmd.c:2464 11:54:19 <Maedhros> it doesn't seem to have made any difference though... 11:55:21 <mikk36> Maedhros, the idea itself is already a bit bad.. take the fact that all loading takes a certain amount of time, it doesn't change with amount 11:55:55 <mikk36> now if u load smth into the train nad wait for some more it would start counting from the start again (the loading/unloading time) 11:55:58 <mikk36> right ? 11:56:23 <Maedhros> well, all i want is for it to carry on accepting cargo while it's in the station 11:56:29 *** ammler_ [n=ammler@58.178.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 11:56:40 <mikk36> and it stays in the station for what reason P? 11:56:43 <mikk36> -P 11:56:52 <Maedhros> otherwise you get trains sitting there partially filled while the station has things waiting, which just gets annoying ;) 11:56:58 <Maedhros> i see your point though 11:57:20 <mikk36> if it is already loading/unloading then it is busy getting things done to get lost 11:57:57 <mikk36> the full load does that though 11:58:04 <mikk36> it exits when it gets full 11:58:18 <mikk36> but then the unload/load timer has run already 11:58:40 <Maedhros> i don't want it to wait till it's full - it's mostly for passenger trains 11:58:46 <mikk36> i know 11:59:12 <mikk36> but there's the loading/unloading time that u'd have to remove and replace with something else 12:00:55 <mikk36> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js0vOgjBfD8 12:02:09 <Maedhros> i just want to use the time while it claims to be loading to allow more passengers to get on, if they arrive after the train arrived :) 12:02:09 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.22] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:02:21 <mikk36> yup 12:02:34 <TrueLight> Maedhros: they idea of loading/unloading, is that the amount of cargo that was accepted, is busy loading/unloading 12:02:41 <mikk36> that would be a reallife situation 12:03:03 <TrueLight> But in case of pax it might be more nice to see them slowly entering the train ;) 12:03:52 <mikk36> also would be nice to have a loading time relevant to the amount of cargo loaded/unloaded 12:04:03 <mikk36> right now it's the same for 1 passanger and for 200 passangers 12:04:13 <TrueLight> mikk36: it is? I thought that was changed... 12:04:16 <TrueLight> but indeed :p 12:04:24 <mikk36> well, in 0.4.7 it's so 12:04:27 <mikk36> as far as i've seen 12:04:33 <TrueLight> then it isn't changed :p 12:04:34 <mikk36> with new loading algorithm 12:05:06 <mikk36> damn... last candy :/ 12:05:11 <mikk36> and i've also run out of coke 12:05:18 <mikk36> i'm doomed... 12:06:32 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [n=johekr@p54B75DDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:06:47 <Maedhros> ok, i suppose it makes sense the way it is, so i'll just leave it alone. thanks for the explanations :) 12:07:33 <mikk36> :) 12:07:59 <mikk36> when the loading time starts being relevant to the amount loaded then ur problem will disappear :) 12:08:14 <mikk36> cause it won't stay for that long in the station any more 12:08:23 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:09:16 <mikk36> uhm.. another question: why can't the good ol' ai work in mp ? 12:09:25 <TrueLight> mikk36: no coke?!!?! You are so doomed! :) 12:09:48 <TrueLight> mikk36: very simple: the design is bad :) 12:09:49 * Brianetta has a coffee 12:10:00 <mikk36> and why was new ai stopped ? 12:10:14 <TrueLight> mikk36: very simple: the design is bad :) 12:10:15 <Brianetta> same reason, I believe 12:10:17 <TrueLight> haha :) 12:10:18 <Brianetta> (: 12:10:39 <TrueLight> mikk36: I found it rather impossible to work myself through the code tapping into all kind of systems just to get the AI to work 12:10:40 <mikk36> looked at it's code today... night..... was pretty fun to read though :P 12:10:46 <TrueLight> 60% of the AI code is not AI related 12:11:22 <TrueLight> so, I made a plugin to OpenTTD called OpenTTD.GPMI, and made packages for it.. now you can make AIs via simple commands 12:11:33 <TrueLight> the commands are handled by a package that knows how to tap into the OpenTTD system 12:11:39 <Brianetta> How simple? 12:11:44 <TrueLight> But... someone removed that code from the main trunk 12:11:44 *** CrazyGoogle [n=schamane@p5498D54A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Ciao"] 12:11:48 <mikk36> and it's possible to have them in mp ? 12:11:51 <TrueLight> and that was enough for me to no longer support it 12:11:59 <TrueLight> yes, mikk36, that was one of the main targets 12:12:00 <Brianetta> a = AI.design-a-network(); 12:12:01 <TrueLight> Brianetta: very simple 12:12:05 <Brianetta> AI.build(a); 12:12:07 <TrueLight> let me browse some code 12:12:27 <TrueLight> http://devs.openttd.org/~truelight/patches/aiscript/example/mfia/ 12:12:33 <TrueLight> a PHP based AI that makes local bus routes 12:12:41 <TrueLight> this is an old version btw, you can do it in less lines now 12:13:29 <Brianetta> Should implement it in LISP 12:13:32 <Brianetta> or..... Tcl! 12:13:35 <TrueLight> $info = ttai_pfr_CreateInfo(); 12:13:35 <TrueLight> $pf = ttai_pfr_Initialize($info); 12:13:35 <TrueLight> ttai_pfr_AddStartList($pf, $list_begin); 12:13:35 <TrueLight> ttai_pfr_AddEndList($pf, $list_end); 12:13:35 <TrueLight> $res = ttai_pfr_Start($pf); 12:13:37 <hylje> perl 12:13:38 <TrueLight> That scans for a route 12:13:39 <hylje> :> 12:13:40 <TrueLight> Brianetta: both done 12:13:44 <TrueLight> hylje: done too 12:13:46 <Brianetta> sweet (: 12:13:52 <Brianetta> LISP is designed for AI work 12:13:54 <hylje> python ? 12:13:54 <TrueLight> it supports a whole bunch of scripts 12:13:56 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.22] has joined #openttd 12:13:58 <TrueLight> python too 12:14:36 <TrueLight> the list is: cli (bash / awk), ghli (pascal), lua, perl, php (very nasty to install), python, ruby, stutter (lisp) and TCL 12:14:39 <Brianetta> Is that C++ or object oriented PHP? 12:14:49 <Brianetta> Ah, PHP 12:14:49 <TrueLight> PHP is nasty to install because getting the embed libphp.so is hard 12:15:05 <TrueLight> and of course C and C++ is possible too 12:15:12 <TrueLight> or in fact anything that can make shared libraries 12:15:41 <Brianetta> Tcl's nice for embedded scripting 12:15:47 <Brianetta> The original ircII client used it 12:15:55 <TrueLight> lua is the best 12:16:00 <TrueLight> the smallest, the cleanest 12:16:00 <Brianetta> and I wrote ircII scripts without realising that I'd learnt Tcl (: 12:16:05 <TrueLight> and cleans up ALL memory if you close it 12:16:11 <TrueLight> (TCL leaks around 1M for each run) 12:16:28 <Brianetta> I don't think all Tcls leak 12:16:34 <TrueLight> All TCLs leak :) 12:16:45 <TrueLight> believe me, did a lot of testing on it :) 12:16:51 <TrueLight> very bad cleanup routine 12:16:59 <Brianetta> Depends who wrote it, surely? 12:17:09 <TrueLight> no, the embed TCL part 12:17:15 <TrueLight> nothing to do with who wrote it 12:17:22 <TrueLight> just a script that prints: hello 12:17:24 <TrueLight> leaks 730k 12:17:30 <Brianetta> Which Tcl? 12:17:37 <TrueLight> libtcl of course 12:17:40 <Brianetta> There are more than one, not all derrived from common base 12:17:47 <TrueLight> ah, you mean it like that 12:17:51 <Brianetta> yes 12:17:54 <Brianetta> use a better one (: 12:17:55 <TrueLight> we used the common libtcl 12:18:03 <TrueLight> as to be found in all distros 12:18:10 <TrueLight> besides lua, they all leak 12:18:15 <TrueLight> ruby can't handle multiple instances 12:18:21 <TrueLight> They all have problems :) 12:18:28 <TrueLight> besides lua :) 12:18:41 <TrueLight> for Python I needed to make an ugly hack to get the current function name in C :p 12:18:43 <TrueLight> nasty shit :p 12:21:07 <Brianetta> http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActiveTcl/ is a nice Tcl 12:21:14 <peter1138> hi 12:21:36 <Brianetta> Not free, though 12:21:40 <Brianetta> unless you mean, "as in beer" 12:24:16 <TrueLight> hehe 12:25:12 <Sacro> yeugh, got to go to work... 12:25:21 <Sacro> be back on irc in 30 mins when i get there :P 12:25:23 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.189.22] has quit ["Leaving"] 12:26:12 <Brianetta> Sacro can ge to work more quickly than I can 12:26:19 <Brianetta> I used to be a 30 minute commute 12:26:31 <Brianetta> until my bridge closed indefinitely for repairs 12:26:41 <Brianetta> Now I have to make a lengthy detour 12:26:42 <mikk36> lol... 12:26:49 <TrueLight> 'my bridge', lol 12:26:54 <Brianetta> down some stairs, and up Bottle Bank on the other side of the river 12:27:02 *** Netsplit zelazny.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: hapo 12:27:08 <TrueLight> lilo alert! 12:27:15 <Brianetta> wherE? 12:27:16 <peter1138> oh noes 12:27:21 *** Netsplit over, joins: hapo 12:27:21 <Brianetta> You notify him? 12:27:30 <TrueLight> Brianetta: netsplit 12:27:30 <mikk36> ? 12:27:33 <TrueLight> always result in lilo spam 12:27:41 <Brianetta> oh 12:27:45 <Brianetta> That man needs a life. 12:27:45 <mikk36> what's a lilo spam ? 12:27:50 *** ammler [n=marcel@58.178.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 12:27:53 <Brianetta> Oh, and a job that isn't sitting on IRC all day. 12:27:56 <TrueLight> mikk36: you haven't been long on freenode, have you? :) 12:28:08 <Brianetta> I was on his last network 12:28:15 <mikk36> err... not really... i aint here unless i need to 12:28:16 <Brianetta> The one that was thisone but not called Freenode 12:28:27 <TrueLight> mikk36: lilo is an operator, always spamming about useless shit 12:28:33 <mikk36> oh.. ok 12:28:34 <Brianetta> irc.openprojects.net I think it was 12:28:48 <Brianetta> Have you seen Lilo's latest beg? 12:28:51 <TrueLight> mikk36: and he doesn't use wallops, he clearly things high of himeself 12:29:00 <Brianetta> He wants people to give him cash to buy himself a motorhome 12:29:11 <mikk36> lol... 12:29:12 <TrueLight> motorhome? 12:29:15 <Brianetta> Yes. 12:29:19 <TrueLight> what is that? 12:29:24 <Brianetta> He wants to redneck on the move, instead of in his bungalow 12:29:28 <mikk36> a car where u can live in 12:29:39 <TrueLight> lol 12:29:41 <mikk36> house rolling on wheels 12:29:48 <Brianetta> He feels that he can better serve the needs of the network with a mobile home 12:29:56 <TrueLight> hahahahahaha 12:30:00 <TrueLight> you can always try :) 12:30:01 <Brianetta> I'm serious 12:30:09 <TrueLight> I mean, why not ;) 12:30:31 <Brianetta> He's even managed to raise cash 12:30:37 <TrueLight> mikk36: to come back to your question about old AI and MP 12:30:45 <TrueLight> the old AI, as you might know, cheats a lot 12:30:49 <TrueLight> he doesn't pay for terraforming 12:30:51 <Brianetta> Well, we live in interesting times. As of 4 June, the Debian Project has moved its irc.debian.org domain pointer from freenode to OFTC. 12:30:51 <TrueLight> and stuff like that 12:30:53 <Brianetta> w00t 12:31:11 <mikk36> and if u'd make him pay ? 12:31:13 <TrueLight> so in MP it would be hard to only allow an AI to cheat, and not other players :p 12:31:21 <TrueLight> the AI will die instantly 12:31:21 <mikk36> then he'd go bankrupt ? 12:31:33 <TrueLight> Brianetta: yeah, GPMI moved away from freenode too 12:31:38 <TrueLight> and more projects are going fast 12:31:46 <hylje> when we do? 12:31:50 <TrueLight> this IRC network is starting to be really annoying 12:31:53 <TrueLight> hylje: good question :) 12:32:02 <mikk36> mainly moving to where ? 12:32:08 *** Dred_furst [i=nn@user-778.wfd75b.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:32:10 <TrueLight> I have my own IRC network :p 12:32:11 <mikk36> to creating their own servers ? 12:32:16 <TrueLight> and I am sure we can plugin more servers in seconds :p 12:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> to quakenet :p 12:32:26 <TrueLight> quakenet sucks even more 12:32:26 <Brianetta> blitzed.org is taking many 12:32:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> we take over #tycoon :=) 12:32:31 <TrueLight> OFTC is the best option at the moment 12:32:42 <hylje> what happened to lilo-free network 12:32:45 <Brianetta> irc.lug.org.uk resolved to a blitzed server now 12:33:38 <TrueLight> I just love those .uk guys :p 12:33:43 <TrueLight> .com.uk, .org.uk 12:33:47 <TrueLight> really funny :p 12:33:50 <TrueLight> .co.uk 12:34:27 <Brianetta> PDPC has exactly one employee 12:34:43 <TrueLight> but okay, I need to do some work 12:34:49 <Brianetta> despite having several different executives, only one draws a salary 12:35:02 <hylje> that being lilo? 12:35:10 <Brianetta> How did you guess? 12:35:16 <hylje> dunno, sixth sense? 12:35:28 <ln-> why not move to IRCnet? 12:35:30 <hylje> i have a "freenode finances" tar in my hd 12:35:37 <TrueLight> making your living of an IRC network is not bad ;) 12:35:48 <TrueLight> how much does he get in a year? 12:35:54 <hylje> not really, but when people think you're a jerk 12:35:55 <Brianetta> unknown 12:36:19 <TrueLight> Brianetta: any estimate? 12:36:32 <Brianetta> no information 12:36:38 <TrueLight> so a lot :) 12:36:41 <Brianetta> I'm reading the Wikipedia articles 12:36:44 <TrueLight> Then you donate to freenode for a better network 12:36:51 <TrueLight> and then he gets it for his motorhome? :p 12:37:03 <hylje> freenodebudgets.tar 12:37:25 <Brianetta> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2006-June/047380.html 12:37:50 <Brianetta> Intresting read. 12:38:07 <peter1138> not that interesting 12:38:11 <TrueLight> (..) and the incompetence with which he runs the Freenode IRC network (..) 12:38:12 <TrueLight> lol 12:38:14 <peter1138> nothing we didn't know before 12:38:20 <Brianetta> Aha! His web site where he wants a motorhome: http://spinhome.org/ 12:38:32 <Brianetta> " Spinhome isn't a PDPC project. It's me, looking for personal resources to survive and to work more effectively on freenode and other community projects." 12:38:53 <Brianetta> " Hurricane season is here. Our current lodgings are fragile and immobile. Please help out as soon as you can, via PayPal or a credit card. Thanks! " 12:38:56 <mikk36> and another question :) 12:39:01 <Brianetta> Lke motorhomes are windproof 12:39:06 <mikk36> in my linux setup on the laptop, the sound is kinda jerky 12:39:12 <peter1138> TrueLight: hmmmmmmm 12:39:18 *** eQualizer [n=lauri@dyn13-168.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:39:19 <peter1138> TrueLight: maybe we should start up a begging site? 12:39:25 <mikk36> the game runs nice but sounds are like echoed multiple times 12:39:29 <TrueLight> peter1138: yeah :) 12:39:30 <peter1138> to continue our work on ottd 12:39:34 <hylje> peter1138: s/begging/donation/g 12:39:38 <peter1138> oops 12:39:39 <peter1138> yes :D 12:39:40 <TrueLight> see if we can make a living from it :) 12:39:41 <TrueLight> would be nice ;) 12:39:56 <TrueLight> they really sniffed lilo his oper password? Haha, that is really bad :) 12:40:01 <Brianetta> What lilo really needs... is a job. 12:40:56 <hylje> did you know, lilo rices around in #gentoo 12:41:04 <hylje> and takes help more than gives 12:41:14 <Brianetta> He's not RMS. 12:41:34 <Brianetta> RMS is just a complete twit; lilo is a drain on the rest of the world. 12:41:40 <hylje> :> 12:43:34 <TrueLight> Lilo is a fraud. He is a huckster that steals money that could be going to 12:43:34 <TrueLight> legitimate open source development. There are countless programmers with 12:43:34 <TrueLight> real, valuable talent who choose to work hard for the greater good rather 12:43:34 <TrueLight> than spending all their time selling their talents to the highest bidder. 12:43:34 <TrueLight> Lilo has no talent and epitomizes the kind of vile, undisciplined leech that 12:43:35 <TrueLight> I spend my time working against. 12:43:42 <TrueLight> :s He does know how to write :p 12:43:53 <hylje> :> and you know how to use smileys :< 12:44:06 <Brianetta> (-: 12:45:35 <roboman> gngith 12:46:15 <RichK67_wrk> at the rate he is collecting funds, it will take him nearly 30 years to afford the mobile home :) 12:47:15 <TrueLight> short, he is a lamer 12:47:19 <TrueLight> okay, now we cleared that up 12:47:23 <TrueLight> who wants to donate peter1138 and me money :p 12:47:28 <Brianetta> I do (: 12:47:40 <Brianetta> but you have to acknowledge the legitimacy of my smilies. 12:47:44 <hylje> :o 12:47:47 <TrueLight> hahahahaa : 12:47:48 <TrueLight> p 12:47:54 <TrueLight> only if your donation is above the 100 dollar :p 12:50:38 *** glx [i=glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:51:27 <Brianetta> http://www.liloaid.org/ <---- (-: (-: (-: 12:52:33 <hylje> :::> 12:53:20 <TrueLight> LOL! 12:53:29 <TrueLight> he uses lipstick?! 12:53:51 <ln-> so it seems 12:54:05 <hylje> somewhat amusing 12:55:18 <ln-> though i wouldn't be extremely surprised if that photo had been enhanced using Adobe® PhotoShop® software 12:55:38 <mikk36> lol @ liloaid :P 12:57:42 <mikk36> lol... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Levin 12:57:52 <TrueLight> that people really donate money 12:57:54 <TrueLight> I Don't see why... 12:59:23 <hylje> people really buy windows 12:59:25 <hylje> i dont see why 13:01:49 <TrueLight> so, I vote here and now to move away from freenode 13:02:36 <hylje> y 13:02:40 <mikk36> hylje, i don't :) 13:02:43 <mikk36> i use a free one :P 13:02:59 <TrueLight> hylje: at least it gives you SOMETHING in return 13:03:22 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [n=johekr@p54B75258.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:03:42 <glx> WGA? 13:03:44 <hylje> mikk36: true, most people i know get it for "free" 13:03:56 <mikk36> no, i mean legally free 13:04:01 <hylje> yes 13:04:04 <mikk36> through msdnaa 13:04:04 <TrueLight> I pay 20 euro for a legal version :) I love being a student :) 13:04:06 <hylje> as in oem with the comp 13:04:56 *** Frostregen_ [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-100-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:05:17 <mikk36> (16:04:06) (hylje) as in oem with the comp <-- that is usually home version which sucks balls 13:05:30 <Brianetta> I paid £60 for Windows XP home 13:05:33 <TrueLight> yeah, sucks balls!! :p 13:05:37 <TrueLight> poor Brianetta 13:05:45 <Brianetta> That was OEM, with a new machine 13:05:52 <mikk36> even better :D 13:05:53 <TrueLight> Mostly I use the VCL from my work 13:05:58 <hylje> mikk36: but people dont care since they havent seen any better :D 13:06:06 <TrueLight> good thing about working for a school, you can use the VCL :) 13:06:30 <mikk36> well.. yeah... i guess typical home user won't need any advanced conf tools :) 13:06:53 <hylje> macintosh :> 13:06:53 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 13:06:56 <mikk36> typical home user = browses net with IE, has lots of spyware, etc 13:07:12 <RichK67_wrk> hey - Mr Caviar is back :) 13:07:21 <mikk36> ? 13:07:27 <glx> no antivirus and windows firewall 13:07:33 <mikk36> yup :P 13:07:49 <mikk36> exactly the opposite here :P 13:07:51 <glx> or even worse: norton IS 13:07:55 <mikk36> haha 13:08:06 <mikk36> i got rid of norton about 5 years ago :) 13:08:07 <hylje> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5171126.stm 13:08:20 <hylje> i have _never_ used norton myself 13:08:22 <mikk36> weeeeee 13:08:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75258.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:57 <mikk36> uhm... 280m euros... that... is... pretty lot :D 13:10:30 <hylje> not quite enough tho 13:10:33 <mikk36> pretty much* 13:10:37 <RichK67_wrk> small change to a multi-billion pound profit giant 13:10:55 <mikk36> about 1/8 of my country's yearly budget :D 13:11:18 <mikk36> or smth like that... hope i didn't miscalculate 13:12:09 <hylje> i wonder where that money goes 13:13:37 <ln-> hylje: that's simple, it goes to windows® licenses. 13:14:07 <hylje> heh 13:16:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75258.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 13:16:04 <mikk36> ok 13:16:07 <mikk36> i miscalculated 13:16:19 <mikk36> it's 2/3 of our this years state budget :D 13:16:41 <hylje> heh 13:16:41 <mikk36> ~43 milliards of kroons, 61.2 millards is yearly budget :P 13:17:01 <TrueLight> kronen, lol 13:17:58 <mikk36> hmm.. damn.. gotta do more calculations to be sure.. :D 13:18:10 <hylje> jesus, lol 13:19:09 *** Eddi|zuHause [n=johekr@p54B75258.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:06 <mikk36> ah damn 13:20:13 <mikk36> i really did miscalulate :D 13:20:22 <mikk36> 1/14 13:20:26 <TrueLight> mikk36: really, and I don't mean it bad, but we don't really care :p 13:20:31 <mikk36> i know 13:20:42 <mikk36> i'm calculating this for my own fun :D 13:20:47 <TrueLight> ;) 13:20:50 <hylje> o 13:20:50 <mikk36> keeping my brain running 13:20:51 <hylje> : 13:21:01 <TrueLight> clearly it hasn't done that for a while ;) 13:21:42 <mikk36> seems so when judging by mistakes :D 13:23:03 <mikk36> wow... the yearly budget has risen 3 times in 7 years :o 13:23:12 *** Frostregen [n=sucks@dslb-084-058-180-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:23:34 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 13:23:47 <mikk36> anyway... on to exploring openttd :P 13:26:04 <TrueLight> good luck :) 13:26:07 <mikk36> oh and.. one of my previous questions: is my server the only one with so low id ? 13:26:08 <mikk36> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=9 13:28:06 <mikk36> and... to make things more up to date... newer svn is out from tigris -> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_MinGW -> http://subversion.tigris.org/downloads/subversion-1.3.2.zip 13:28:13 *** ThePizzaKing [n=thepizza@c211-28-201-101.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["-"] 13:28:23 <Belugas> RichK67_wrk : Mr Caviar??? 13:29:05 <TrueLight> mikk36: your server was one of the first that came online after a DB reset 13:29:06 <TrueLight> happens ;) 13:29:12 <TrueLight> and update the page if you think it is outdated 13:29:17 <TrueLight> wiki is free for editing ;) 13:29:40 <RichK67_wrk> Beluga's Caviar :) http://www.formanandfield.com/productInfo.asp/pId/24/catID/35 13:31:14 <Brianetta> Server 1 was #openttdcoop 13:31:26 <Brianetta> but my server's IP changed 13:31:31 <Brianetta> and now it's somethin gelse ): 13:31:47 <mikk36> :) 13:32:16 <mikk36> i have to be logged in to make changes in wiki ? 13:32:34 <TrueLight> yes 13:33:56 *** Sionide [n=sphinx@cpc4-hem12-0-0-cust246.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit ["/quit"] 13:33:57 <RichK67_wrk> hmm... the date has rolled on quite a bit on the Brianetta nightly... i thought i was about the only one on there (left it at 1966 i think) 13:34:33 <Brianetta> Has anything actually happened? 13:34:38 <Brianetta> If not, I can roll it back 13:34:45 <RichK67_wrk> dont know.... i cant log in from work 13:34:58 <Brianetta> Neither can I ): 13:35:25 <RichK67_wrk> or rather, if i did, i would likely recieve my P45 in the post :) 13:35:32 <Brianetta> Heh (: 13:35:36 <mikk36> uhm.. ok 13:35:39 <Brianetta> It's only 1989 13:35:40 <mikk36> i ran into a problem 13:36:10 <TrueLight> for your information, we had 6274 unique servers (ip + port) since the last reset 13:36:14 <RichK67_wrk> its still 20+ years... means someone has rejoined... 13:36:34 <mikk36> should i start svn from it's own folder in msys ? 13:36:34 <TrueLight> ID 2 is the first that is still active 13:36:39 <TrueLight> openttd@kriech.org is his name 13:36:42 <RichK67_wrk> btw Brianetta, any chance of having Planesetw.grf 1.5 in the next game 13:37:00 <TrueLight> so mikk36, you are not the lowest number :p 13:37:04 <Brianetta> Could be. Does it work properly? 13:37:11 <RichK67_wrk> yeah... its way cool 13:37:15 <mikk36> :) 13:37:31 <Brianetta> RIght. Email me a link, and I'll deal with it tonight. Means a new game. (: 13:38:17 <TrueLight> lol, I found a bug in my masterserver code :p 13:38:20 <RichK67_wrk> lol - im happy to continue as is, just a thought for next game... although i think we all lost heart in this game with all the desyncs. made it quite unpleasant 13:38:22 <Belugas> RichK67_wrk : funny :) 13:38:24 <TrueLight> every night it scans ALL servers that once were online 13:39:12 <TrueLight> I should reset the db again I guess :p 13:39:54 <mikk36> and point to do that ? 13:40:01 <mikk36> ah right.. scanning time 13:40:07 <TrueLight> not to query 6000 servers that will never come online again :P 13:40:28 <TrueLight> the masterserver code just needs a rewrite 13:40:38 <mikk36> damn... i'll propably lose my low id then :D 13:40:40 <TrueLight> it once kept track of all players 13:40:48 <TrueLight> all companies 13:40:55 <TrueLight> I wanted to make stats out of it 13:41:02 <TrueLight> but I never finished :p Then players broke 13:41:07 <TrueLight> oh well 13:42:54 <RichK67_wrk> TL: what would it take to add a URL field to the network game info, so that the openttd.org can display the link, and it is launchable from the join-game screen? 13:44:45 <mikk36> it'd also require setting up systemwide ottd:// or smth like that setting 13:44:49 <mikk36> so that it would open that 13:45:27 <mikk36> ah... i'll better not talk on that topic.. guess u guys are smarter :D 13:46:57 <mikk36> but to my previous problem with minGW and msys 13:47:09 <mikk36> can't start svn with the command stated on wiki 13:47:29 <glx> hmm you are using tortoise right? 13:47:53 <mikk36> nop 13:48:15 <glx> then explain what is your problem :) 13:48:19 <mikk36> http://subversion.tigris.org/files/documents/15/32473/svn-win32-1.3.2.zip 13:48:42 <mikk36> well... on wiki it says to test out msys setup by entering 3 commands 13:48:45 <mikk36> make -v 13:48:46 <mikk36> gcc -v 13:48:51 <mikk36> and svn help 13:48:59 <mikk36> but can't start svn like that 13:49:15 <glx> add svn bin dir in your path 13:49:24 <mikk36> ? 13:50:07 <glx> where is installed svn? 13:50:21 <mikk36> i did this: 13:50:21 <mikk36> Unzip the SVN package into your user folder on MSYS (ex: c:\msys\home\YourUser) 13:51:03 <mikk36> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Compiling_on_MinGW#Setting_up_MSYS 14:02:52 *** SpComb [i=terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 14:05:49 <TrueLight> I really wonder if Artea_ disabled his script... 14:06:07 <mikk36> omg.. next problem :D 14:06:10 <Zavior> Hopefully he's sleeping.. 14:06:10 <mikk36> no wget :P 14:06:10 <Zavior> :-P 14:07:07 <mikk36> glx, any hint ? 14:07:13 <glx> mikk36: not really needed but it can be found on http://gnuwin32.sf.net I think 14:07:17 <hylje> hm does multiple engines work as redundancy too 14:07:29 <mikk36> yeah.. but why aint it in msys ? 14:07:36 <mikk36> if the scripts use it 14:07:42 <hylje> ie. only the other engine's hp is lost if it breaks 14:07:58 <mikk36> hylje, no 14:08:22 <glx> the script was developped for cross compilation I think (but not sure) 14:10:01 <glx> and it's better to download, configure, compile, install zlib and libpng by yourself 14:10:28 <mikk36> oh great.. sf went down :D 14:10:57 <mikk36> ok,back 14:18:27 <mikk36> heh.. fun.. it's in estonian :D 14:18:28 <mikk36> wget :D 14:29:18 <Frostregen> ah cool, i need wget too 14:31:24 *** Jezral [n=projectj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 14:31:36 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 14:34:17 <[Shaman]> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/12/1232249&from=rss 14:34:18 <[Shaman]> e// 14:38:23 <ln-> mikk36: what's in estonian? 14:39:49 <mikk36> my native language 14:39:57 <mikk36> ;) 14:40:33 <ln-> i realized that 14:40:51 <ln-> wget is in estonian? 14:40:55 <mikk36> yup 14:41:08 <mikk36> i didn't download any special version 14:41:12 <mikk36> just binaries 14:41:28 <mikk36> and it shows text in estonian in action :D 14:42:21 *** rain```` [i=rain@24-183-26-9.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] has joined #openttd 14:42:22 <ln-> naturally 14:42:30 <mikk36> Lahendan download.sourceforge.net... 69.9.164.2, 128.101.240.209, 150.65.7.130, ... 14:42:32 <mikk36> Loon ühendust serveriga download.sourceforge.net|69.9.164.2|:80... ebaõnnestus: Connection timed out. 14:42:34 <mikk36> Loon ühendust serveriga download.sourceforge.net|128.101.240.209|:80... ühendus loodud. 14:42:36 <mikk36> HTTP päring saadetud, ootan vastust... 200 OK 14:42:38 <mikk36> Pikkus: 384 970 (376K) [application/x-bzip2 14:42:42 <Frostregen> there's a "share" folder with lots of language stuff 14:42:43 <mikk36> :) 14:42:52 <Frostregen> but don't ask me how to use that 14:43:18 <mikk36> a nice wget.mo file there :) 14:43:24 <mikk36> under et folder 14:43:27 <ln-> Selvitetään osoitetta openttd.org... 81.171.98.110 14:43:27 <ln-> Yhdistetään palvelimeen openttd.org|81.171.98.110|:80... yhdistetty. 14:43:27 <ln-> HTTP-pyyntö lähetetty, odotetaan vastausta... 200 OK 14:43:46 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 14:43:55 <TrueLight> guys, please 14:43:58 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:44:01 <TrueLight> don't paste your own language here :p 14:44:07 <TrueLight> this isn't: see my cool language :p 14:44:11 <TrueLight> there is only one cool language 14:44:12 <TrueLight> and that is dutch 14:44:16 <mikk36> nah 14:44:20 <mikk36> u're wrong 14:44:24 <TrueLight> he, you want a ban? 14:44:26 <mikk36> the only cool language is binary ;) 14:44:37 <TrueLight> You can better say: yes TrueLight, you are right TrueLight, sure TrueLight 14:44:42 <TrueLight> :p :p 14:44:45 <mikk36> lol 14:44:49 <TrueLight> okay, I can live with binary :) 14:45:39 <glx> TrueLight: will be easier to prove you're right with op status :) 14:45:41 <mikk36> happily ever after ? 14:45:47 <ln-> Herleiden van openttd.org... 81.171.98.110 14:45:47 <ln-> Verbinding maken met openttd.org|81.171.98.110|:80... verbonden. 14:45:47 <ln-> HTTP-verzoek is verzonden, wachten op antwoord... 200 OK 14:45:59 <mikk36> german ? 14:46:03 <mikk36> nah 14:46:08 <mikk36> dutch ? 14:46:10 <TrueLight> glx: I don't need op status to proof any point :p 14:46:16 <TrueLight> ln-: see, that is what I am talking about :p 14:46:18 <TrueLight> 'herleiden', LOL! 14:46:22 <TrueLight> What a bad translation 14:46:34 <mikk36> TrueLight, u could fix it ;) 14:46:39 <TrueLight> I REFUSE! :) 14:46:44 <TrueLight> I rarely use Dutch for any program 14:46:45 <mikk36> then don't complain :D 14:46:53 <TrueLight> translating mostly ends up in a laugh :) 14:46:55 <mikk36> i don't use estonian either 14:47:03 <ln-> Last-Translator: Benno Schulenberg <benno@nietvergeten.nl> 14:47:03 <ln-> Language-Team: Dutch <vertaling@vrijschrift.org> 14:47:05 <mikk36> too few it words to translate stuff 14:47:37 <TheMask96> lol :) 14:47:42 <mikk36> so language inventors come up with very strange words :D 14:47:51 <TrueLight> mostly the problem yes 14:47:54 <TheMask96> dutch looks so funny :) 14:48:00 <TrueLight> TheMask96: it smells 14:49:34 *** Dribbel [n=martijn@ipd50a782f.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:51:41 *** tokai|3 [n=tokai@p54B82DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["icebears... take care of them!"] 14:53:01 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 14:55:17 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has joined #openttd 14:57:11 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["http://iThought.dk/"] 15:00:51 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:01:16 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:02:33 <mikk36> o holy silence :) 15:02:48 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:03:04 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:13 <RichK67_wrk> bah! its not an IRC silence, unless nothing happens for an hour ;) 15:03:44 <TheMask96> some people are still working :) 15:06:56 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.2] has joined #openttd 15:09:54 <peter1138> some are just idling 15:10:26 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@80.251.195.2] has quit [Client Quit] 15:21:17 *** ammler [n=marcel@58.178.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:23:07 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:07 *** Patrick` [n=pitt2@i-195-137-14-213.freedom2surf.net] has joined #openttd 15:24:21 <Patrick`> make me a happy man and tell me that signal autocompletion is in trunk, or at least maintained 15:25:29 <Brianetta> Patrick`: Is it OK if we lie to you, for the sake of your happiness? 15:25:37 <Patrick`> no. 15:25:45 <Patrick`> if I have to keep using my patched 3207 so be it 15:25:48 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:25:49 <Brianetta> Unfortunately, we can't comply with your request at this time. 15:25:53 <RichK67_wrk> signal autocomplete has been totally updated to current 15:26:01 <Patrick`> I love whoever did that 15:26:03 <RichK67_wrk> but is only actively in the MiniIN 15:26:26 <Patrick`> drawbacks, then 15:27:10 <mikk36> uhm.. i have a problem compiling on win with mingw 15:27:11 <mikk36> ===> DEP players.c 15:27:11 <mikk36> 0 [main] make 6000 open_stackdumpfile: Dumping stack trace to make.exe.stackdump 15:27:11 <mikk36> Segmentation fault (core dumped) 15:27:12 <RichK67_wrk> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25486 15:27:26 <Patrick`> prob. has the kickoff fix then 15:27:29 <glx> mikk36: retry make crashed 15:27:41 <mikk36> ? 15:27:56 <glx> 'make' crashed, retry :) 15:28:10 <Patrick`> jesus, revision 5400 15:28:14 <Patrick`> you guys have been busy 15:28:17 <Patrick`> I salute you 15:28:19 <mikk36> crased again :/ 15:28:26 <Patrick`> and I assume the kickoff bug was fixed 15:28:37 <Patrick`> (signal goes green, stationary train takes 2 seconds to move) 15:28:41 <glx> Patrick`: still here 15:28:45 <Patrick`> ffs 15:29:06 <kinnaz> mikk36, bad luck 15:29:18 <RichK67_wrk> hmm... i assumed that was "realistic acceleration" at work ;) 15:29:44 <Patrick`> it's an awful stupid bug and it singlehandedly makes traffic jams 5 times worse and halves the maximum capacity of a line 15:30:04 <Patrick`> imagine being in a car behind a really old person who doesn't notice when they can move forward 15:33:12 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@cpe.atm2-0-72445.0x535a0976.odnxx12.customer.tele.dk] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 15:38:31 <mikk36> yup.. would be nice to get rid of that... 15:38:39 <mikk36> else the realistic acceleration is fine 15:39:00 <mikk36> fun to see when some of my trains couldn't reach their top speed because of too heavy freight :D 15:39:13 <glx> this "lag" at start is a fix for train stuck on green light 15:39:26 <mikk36> ? 15:39:37 <Patrick`> yeah, it's a bugfix and the patch to remove the lag is a revert to this bug 15:39:44 <Patrick`> but I was hoping there'd be some workaround 15:39:46 <TrueLight> hehe 15:39:52 <Patrick`> by NOW 15:39:56 <Patrick`> you know, a year afterwards 15:40:02 <TrueLight> there should be made a queue per signal block 15:40:08 <TrueLight> and dequeue trains via fifo 15:40:09 <Patrick`> it's frustrating for high-end network design 15:40:40 <Patrick`> there's no point optimising anything because there's never enough train flow 15:40:45 <mikk36> yup... especially makes me hate that lag when i've created a huge network (all trains connected) and the system starts getting full because of that lag 15:40:58 <Patrick`> statistically, they cna only ever leave a junction at about 1/3 line capacity 15:41:08 <TrueLight> but do remember in real life this happens too 15:41:13 <TrueLight> train drivers see a green light 15:41:13 <Patrick`> I thought about building a complex system of backwards-guessing signals to interleave the streams 15:41:18 <TrueLight> and need time to respond to it, and get the train moving 15:41:22 <Patrick`> yes, not two days 15:41:32 <TrueLight> true :) 15:41:42 <mikk36> TrueLight, what about newer trains ? 15:41:46 <TrueLight> although, relative to the distance they travel in what time.. 15:41:51 <mikk36> shouldn't they be driven by computer ? 15:41:53 <TrueLight> mikk36: even newer trains are controlled by humans 15:41:59 <Patrick`> they don't travel that distance, it's stationary ... 15:42:03 <mikk36> and the same about maglev ? 15:42:04 <TrueLight> there is _no_ computer driven train in the world yet 15:42:24 <TrueLight> Here in The Netherlands we had as one of the first computer driven busses 15:42:27 <mikk36> damn the drivers must have nerves of steel with maglev :P 15:42:28 <TrueLight> what a disaster 15:42:44 <TrueLight> mikk36: goes perfect in Germany and Japan 15:42:52 <TrueLight> Goes perfect for TGV 15:42:57 <TrueLight> or any other high-speed train 15:43:06 <mikk36> the driver controlles everything ? 15:43:14 <TrueLight> it controls speed, yes 15:43:27 <TrueLight> just the system can put a train to hold when it runs through a red PBS light 15:43:36 <anboni> TrueLight, the distaster with those buses was actually a human error though :) someone manually clearing the same piece of road for both buses 15:43:46 <TrueLight> (which doesn't work for trains running slow, made quiet a few disasters here in the last year :p) 15:43:57 <TrueLight> anboni: LOL! 15:44:17 <TrueLight> but acceleration is as far as I know still human action 15:44:29 <mikk36> one more thing.. in real life we don't have so high loads either, dow e ? 15:44:32 <mikk36> do we* 15:44:36 <TrueLight> but one thing, take the TGV, the signals are kept green for him as much as possible 15:44:41 <TrueLight> because missing a red signal is SO EASY at that speed 15:44:41 <Patrick`> yeah, that's the thing 15:44:50 <Patrick`> openttd lacks an effective load balancing solution 15:44:51 <mikk36> prioitizing... 15:44:53 <TrueLight> mikk36: yes, and that has a reason :) 15:44:59 <TrueLight> the dutch railway is at max capicity 15:45:01 <Patrick`> if I have 2 lines and let trains choose, they'll traffic jam the shortest path 15:45:18 <TrueLight> the dutch railway can't take more trains, because it would jam the whole network 15:45:20 <mikk36> in railroad tycoon there was also prioritizing.. u could let higher priority train pass a lower one 15:45:24 <TrueLight> for this exact same reason :) 15:45:53 <TrueLight> But as I said, clever signal blocks would solve the problem 15:46:01 <TrueLight> for starter, a fifo around signal blocks 15:46:01 <mikk36> yup 15:46:10 <TrueLight> would solve the initial acceleration problems 15:46:11 <mikk36> wee... it started compiling now :D 15:46:20 <TrueLight> then programmable signals to solve the 2 lines problem 15:46:45 <TrueLight> for example, two signals of which 1 is always red 15:46:53 <TrueLight> if a train passed the green one, the other gets green 15:47:02 <TrueLight> the first strays red till the other goes red 15:47:04 <mikk36> one more thing, do u create double tracks in mp too ? 4 lanes total 15:47:07 <TrueLight> perfect balancer :) 15:47:16 <TrueLight> Check coop maps :p 15:47:19 <TrueLight> we did crasier things :) 15:47:31 <mikk36> yeah.. coop.. but usual ffa map 15:47:38 *** _Red is now known as Red 15:47:42 <Patrick`> truelight, yeah 15:47:46 <TrueLight> but I still think adding, say, lua to OpenTTD, and allow a small dialog where you can really program a signal 15:47:46 <mikk36> usually here's no room for more than 2 lanes 15:47:48 *** mrzero [i=mrzero@unaffiliated/mrzero] has joined #openttd 15:47:58 <Patrick`> usually I just split the map up into segments and feed one segment into one line and another segment into another line 15:48:08 <TrueLight> Patrick`: that are work-arounds 15:48:16 <Patrick`> yeah, it's frustrating 15:48:17 <TrueLight> what we mostly do at coop, making load balancers 15:48:29 <TrueLight> so if one rail is used for 2 trainlengths, the other rail is used 15:48:33 <TrueLight> works very well, till both rails are busy 15:48:37 <TrueLight> then a train just never joins 15:48:38 <Patrick`> yeah 15:48:42 <TrueLight> which gives other problems all together 15:48:45 <Patrick`> I did one of those once 15:48:53 <TrueLight> you want that a train can already accelerate till top speed and join in small spaces 15:48:56 <Patrick`> probably the same idea 15:48:59 <TrueLight> but that first part fails 15:49:02 <mikk36> what mapsizes do u do those things ? 15:49:02 <TrueLight> so the mail line halts 15:49:05 <TrueLight> and a big jam comes next :p 15:49:14 <TrueLight> mikk36: 1024x1024 15:49:18 <Patrick`> using a backwards signal to block a merger if the main line is occupied before it, without interrupting the main line? 15:49:19 <mikk36> ok :P 15:49:33 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has quit [] 15:49:37 <TrueLight> Patrick`: that we mostly use 15:49:39 <TrueLight> in a bit more clever way 15:49:40 <TrueLight> but yes 15:49:40 <Patrick`> I have a 1024x2048 that I've technically abandoned now 15:49:50 <TrueLight> but then the joining train sometimes can never join 15:49:55 <Patrick`> I split it into 512 by 2048 strips, then ran a line down the middle of that 15:49:57 *** Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:50:03 <TrueLight> because the mailline is overused.. while there is enough space for the trains to join 15:50:07 <TrueLight> if they were at top-speed 15:50:10 <Patrick`> feeding each 512x512 block along a different track and into a factory/sawmill/etc complex 15:50:20 <TrueLight> so, you need signals that sense this 15:50:24 <TrueLight> bring the train at speed 15:50:25 <Frostregen> what is the bug, which was fixed by the red->green delay? 15:50:26 <TrueLight> let him join 15:50:29 *** _Red [n=Red@81-86-117-11.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:29 <Patrick`> in the center of the map I have an 8-track :) 15:50:40 <Patrick`> yeah, or divert them otherwise 15:50:41 <TrueLight> Frostregen: trains with a high number never leaving the signal at busy blocks 15:50:43 <Patrick`> onto a holding loop 15:50:55 <Patrick`> so that a slow train can never accelerate from stationary onto the main line, causing a blockage 15:51:03 <TrueLight> (a train with a lower number gets to go first when signals turn green) 15:51:07 <ln-> Patrick` is here again? ... doesn't matter, he's still on my ignore list. :) 15:51:11 <TrueLight> so we had trains waiting for years :) 15:51:16 <mikk36> :o 15:51:23 <Patrick`> that's the most retarded selection mechanism ever 15:51:24 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:51:25 <mikk36> guess that is a high load 15:51:27 <Patrick`> I thought it was odd-even 15:51:35 <Frostregen> and this gets fixed by a delay? 15:51:35 <[Shaman]> [TrueLight]: but I still think adding, say, lua to OpenTTD, and allow a small dialog where you can really program a signal << How about letting the widgets be lua-generated? :o 15:51:47 <TrueLight> Patrick`: that is in fact a good idea, keeping trains running at top speed till a space opens up :) 15:51:53 <TrueLight> never thought about that.. just needs room 15:51:58 <mikk36> wouldn't it better to have a queue system ? 15:52:25 <TrueLight> Patrick`: the funniest things I have seen, was a train that was running small rounds, which was in fact a 50/50 sender to the next track 15:52:31 <TrueLight> what I described above with the red/green signals 15:52:34 <TrueLight> just a train did this 15:52:48 <TrueLight> so no matter the length of the track, the trains really went 50% of the time on one rail, 50% of the time on the other 15:53:00 <TrueLight> anyway, FOOD!!! 15:53:00 <TrueLight> bbl 15:53:23 *** Mukke [i=Mukke@x1-6-00-13-8f-3d-00-a9.k146.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 15:53:33 <Frostregen> line 394 in train_cmd.c: 15:53:34 <Frostregen> //"kickoff" acceleration 15:53:34 <Frostregen> force = (mass * 32) + resistance; 15:53:34 <mikk36> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25486 <-- signals under bridges ? 15:55:44 <Patrick`> TrueLight: I tried to do this 15:56:00 <Patrick`> TrueLight: using a train as a load balancer, but i never worked out how 16:00:39 <mikk36> weeee... i got it compiled successfully :D 16:04:09 <mikk36> uhm.. TrueLight, i'll ask this straightforward: what should i do to get access to coop server ? 16:05:37 <Patrick`> ask nicely, don't play like a knob 16:05:45 <Patrick`> seriously though, I got nothin' 16:05:52 <mikk36> how does a knob play ? 16:06:00 <Patrick`> antisocial play 16:06:09 <Patrick`> flooding areas, buying land around factories 16:06:14 <mikk36> o, lol.. i hate such playing style :D 16:06:21 <Patrick`> planting constant signals so you can't build a bridge over the line 16:06:22 <mikk36> f***ing others 16:06:42 <Patrick`> there's a "play like a total cock" server specifically for antisocial behaviour, it's great for some stress reliev 16:06:49 <Patrick`> but it has its place 16:06:50 <Patrick`> like a firing range 16:06:51 <mikk36> lol 16:09:05 <mikk36> and from who should i ask for access ? 16:09:48 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:13:48 *** ammler [n=ammler@58.178.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 16:14:21 *** ChrisM87 [n=ChrisM@p54AC5B50.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:15:12 <mikk36> Patrick`, TrueLight ? 16:15:57 <Patrick`> no, I'm just a drifter 16:16:06 <Patrick`> a sporadic beta tester and deliverer of verbal abuse 16:16:21 <Patrick`> oh, and I wrote something for extracting sounds from the .cat file 16:17:08 *** Zahl [n=SENFGURK@dslb-082-083-198-180.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["YOU! It was you wasn't it!?"] 16:17:14 <Brianetta> Patrick`: That server would be mine, right? 16:17:35 <Patrick`> if you say so 16:17:50 <Patrick`> I found it amusing when people complained about antisocial behaviour on it 16:18:00 <Brianetta> On my deathmatch server? 16:18:06 <Brianetta> Who complained? 16:19:10 <Brianetta> mikk36: All information about the #openttdcoop servers is on the wiki 16:19:35 <mikk36> hmm, ok 16:19:58 <Brianetta> There's a channel here, too 16:20:03 <Brianetta> #openttdcoop 16:20:15 <Patrick`> brian, I think you posted some chatlogs 16:20:17 <Patrick`> or someone else did 16:20:25 <Brianetta> Oh, that 16:20:27 <Patrick`> it was specifically a server for antisocial behaviour 16:20:29 <Brianetta> that was my nightly server 16:20:33 <Patrick`> and said so on the title 16:20:36 <Brianetta> oh yeah 16:20:38 <Brianetta> sorry 16:20:40 <Brianetta> I remember that 16:20:46 <Brianetta> Ooh, that was a while ago 16:21:25 <Patrick`> yeah, I told you I drift in and out 16:21:32 <Brianetta> I did wonder about the mental capacity of somebody who went into a server, to be greeted by a message saying anything goes... who came crying to me because people weren't playing fairly. 16:21:33 <Patrick`> I stopped playing at r3200 16:21:50 <Brianetta> You haven't played with new stations then? 16:21:54 <Brianetta> They're very cool 16:22:23 <Patrick`> nope 16:22:32 <Patrick`> I'm guessing new art, which means looking like ass 16:22:43 <Patrick`> no offense, but the originals are hand-crafted masterpeices 16:22:52 <Brianetta> The originals are still there 16:23:02 <Brianetta> It's just that you can build stations from a greater selection of graphics 16:23:17 *** ammler [n=ammler@58.178.186.195.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.74 [Firefox 1.5.0.4/2006050817]"] 16:23:27 <Patrick`> Meh. 16:23:36 <Patrick`> anything'd look wrong next to them 16:23:42 <mikk36> :P 16:23:44 <mikk36> i agree 16:23:47 <Patrick`> anytway, I have this autocompletion build from 5300 16:23:48 <Brianetta> Some, such as the industrial stations, are so close in theme to the industries they serve 16:23:54 <Brianetta> it's like they're part of the original set 16:23:55 <Patrick`> I'll drop in my datafiles and give it a whirl 16:24:07 <Patrick`> cool, specific "this one is next to a coal mine" station models? 16:24:12 <Brianetta> yes 16:24:20 <Patrick`> any reason to use them other than aesthetics? 16:24:30 <Brianetta> Just trying to find a pic I uploaded 16:24:33 <Brianetta> No reason 16:24:36 <Patrick`> some bonus? preferential turnaround times for that cargo? increased delivery bonus for that cargo? 16:24:43 <Brianetta> although they often show you wjhat's waiting 16:24:46 <mikk36> if u also create faster loading with specific theme then i'll start using them :) 16:24:53 <mikk36> else i'll stick to the classic supreme 16:24:56 <Brianetta> The wood station shows more logs next to the track as your station fills 16:25:02 <Brianetta> and so on 16:25:03 <Patrick`> cool, pictures of piled-up coal on the platforms .. 16:25:08 <Patrick`> and so on 16:25:08 <mikk36> lol 16:26:12 <Brianetta> There are separate coal drop-off and pickup stations 16:26:25 <Patrick`> mmm 16:26:38 <Patrick`> I've lost sight of the aesthetic qualities of ottd 16:26:50 <Patrick`> in my quest to funnel goods as far away as possible along razor-straight trunks 16:26:56 <Patrick`> flattening towns indiscriminately 16:27:14 <Patrick`> I should go for medium-scale journies, and try to service every signle secondary industry 16:27:31 <Patrick`> a large meshlike network but not many large-scale journies 16:27:32 <Brianetta> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=442798#442798 and following posts 16:27:44 <Brianetta> My first nightly server game after the new stations support was committed 16:28:04 <Brianetta> I took loads of pics and uploaded them in one mammoth post-a-thon 16:28:45 <Patrick`> I'm going to stick with normal rails from now on 16:28:52 <Patrick`> because then sharp corners aren't such a killer 16:29:11 <Patrick`> and proper depos 16:29:12 <Brianetta> I use PikkaBird's UKRS 16:29:17 <Brianetta> Normal rails last longer 16:29:24 <Brianetta> In fact, the last train in the game is a regular rail train 16:29:25 <Patrick`> oh, and of course elrails 16:29:54 <Patrick`> no, the point is that if corners killthe speed to 55, that needs to be not, like, 10% of the top speed like it is with a monorail 16:29:57 <Patrick`> but more like 50 16:30:15 <Brianetta> http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/ukrs/ 16:30:26 <Brianetta> That is, in my opinion, the greates train set for TTD 16:30:37 <Brianetta> The graphics match the original look 16:30:45 <Brianetta> the gameplay is astounding 16:30:50 <Brianetta> the balance near-perfect 16:30:53 <Brianetta> no monorails 16:30:55 *** Osai is now known as Osai^train 16:31:06 <Brianetta> and maglevs are pricey to run, and can only carry passenger, mail and goods. 16:31:30 <Brianetta> The locomotives page has piccies of all the locos - you can see how like the originals the set is, in look and feel 16:32:30 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:31 <RichK67_wrk> brianetta: for me, the lack of freight on maglev is ukrs's biggest flaw... i want a future rail system, not the same old conventional rubbish 16:32:41 <Brianetta> yes 16:32:50 <Brianetta> I see it differently 16:33:01 <Brianetta> I can't see any future rail being implemented as a replacement 16:33:05 <Brianetta> only in addition 16:33:31 <RichK67_wrk> wagon speed limits are really bad post-2020... almost all engines can do 100+, but the freight is limited to < 80 :( 16:33:49 <Brianetta> Not all freight is that slow 16:33:50 <Frostregen> there are newer waggons too 16:34:18 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181121078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:20 <RichK67_wrk> not for wood, livestock, etc... 16:34:29 <Brianetta> Livestock can't be carried that fast 16:34:32 <Brianetta> it can't be seated 16:35:17 <RichK67_wrk> bah... have they never heard of inertia damping fields :) 16:35:31 <RichK67_wrk> stop the animals bumping into one-another 16:35:40 <Frostregen> just pierce the cows and use maglev tech =) 16:36:16 <RichK67_wrk> also, early on you can transport milk... well, livestock in liquid tankers... but late on, you cant :( 16:37:06 <mikk36> lol 16:37:11 <Brianetta> You can with newindustries 16:37:14 <Brianetta> but it isn't complete 16:37:40 <RichK67_wrk> so freight gets limited to 92mph... :( if i could get my speed signs working with yapf, then at least we could sort the slow freight off the fast passenger lines 16:37:49 *** Qball [n=qball@ipd50a4125.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:38:04 <Brianetta> Freight is kept off my passenger lines where possible 16:38:12 <Brianetta> or it shares short stretches 16:38:55 <RichK67_wrk> usually there is the 4 track solution... 2 lines in each direction, one for express, one for freight 16:39:11 <Brianetta> I implement 3 and a half 16:39:25 <Brianetta> 2 express, with duplex line with passing sidings for freight 16:39:25 <RichK67_wrk> speed signs could sort that out dead easy, but it doesnt work on yapf 16:40:19 <RichK67_wrk> so freight on a 2 way line? 16:40:57 <Brianetta> Where necessary, yes 16:41:15 <RichK67_wrk> oh yeah, another thought about your server... planeset + newships :) 16:41:23 <Brianetta> newships? 16:41:26 <Brianetta> Do they look shit? 16:41:37 <RichK67_wrk> god no... they are superb 16:41:43 <Brianetta> I might look into it then 16:41:50 <Brianetta> most ship grfs I've seen lose the feel 16:41:53 <RichK67_wrk> michael blunk work 16:41:56 <TrueLight> mikk36: join #openttdcoop 16:41:59 <Brianetta> blunk? 16:42:02 <Brianetta> I might not be able to 16:43:14 <RichK67_wrk> http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/newships1.html 16:43:48 <RichK67_wrk> sorry... try http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/ and choose the newships option 16:44:47 * Brianetta reads the license agreement 16:44:57 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947D7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:45:21 <Brianetta> The Daewoo and the Mitsui look really bad 16:46:00 <Brianetta> the Brown isn't impressive 16:46:31 <RichK67_wrk> ive seen them IRL... they do look like that... a bit boring, but better than original TT 16:47:20 <Brianetta> The lettering on the side of the Mitsui goes over the gunwales 16:48:24 <RichK67_wrk> and you're gonna reject them cos of that ??? ;) :-< 16:48:26 *** Wolf01 [n=wolf01@host235-235.pool874.interbusiness.it] has joined #OpenTTD 16:48:43 <Wolf01> hi all 16:50:48 <RichK67_wrk> bye... hometime... after another unproductive day :( 16:51:14 * TrueLight gives RichK67_wrk a cookie 16:51:50 <RichK67_wrk> COOOOOOOOOOOOKKIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! 16:53:06 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181067049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:53:18 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:53:44 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit ["Tschüß"] 16:53:44 *** roboman [n=Leo@c220-239-174-188.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:56:18 <RichK67_wrk> gone 16:56:20 *** RichK67_wrk [n=RichK67@talk-210-66.talkadsl.com] has quit [] 16:58:40 <TrueLight> "Try making poll for "Server Advertising" for info about Public Servers at OpenTTD Master Server... Thanks Wink" <- does anyone understnad what Artea_ is trying to say here? :s 16:59:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i am afraid i don't 16:59:46 *** KUDr [i=KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 17:00:11 <TrueLight> Then lucky I am not the only one who couldn't figure out this gibberish 17:00:51 <TrueLight> I can only guess he never saw http://servers.openttd.org, but that is just a guess 17:03:42 <Patrick`> TL, you're gripped by a remote fear that perhaps the report is concealing a real issue 17:04:06 <TrueLight> Patrick`: possible ;) 17:04:13 <TrueLight> But then again, Artea wrote it 17:04:14 <TrueLight> :p 17:08:04 *** angerman [n=angerman@e181121078.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:11:35 <Artea_> what i wrote ? 17:11:58 <Artea_> TrueLight: i saw 17:12:22 <Artea_> hours ago of posting that 17:12:47 <TrueLight> so first search, then complain/ask 17:12:55 <Artea_> soz 17:12:56 <Artea_> :( 17:13:30 <TrueLight> sorry to say, but you are the prototype of an annoying user 17:16:27 <Artea_> TrueLight: and the server site don't have all information... 17:16:36 <Artea_> i know 17:16:38 <Artea_> thanks :D 17:16:55 <TrueLight> it generally is really bad to take that as a compliment 17:17:07 <Artea_> no 17:17:21 <Artea_> if i not so annoying 17:17:26 <Artea_> who was ? 17:17:31 <Artea_> God ? 17:17:46 <TrueLight> I am so glad we have a +b future in IRC 17:18:09 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:18:22 <Artea_> but that is for using a ppl who calls bad names for others' mothers 17:18:28 <Artea_> and things like that 17:20:24 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:20:48 <Artea_> but TrueLight 17:20:57 <Artea_> if u don't like my posts 17:21:02 <CIA-3> miham * r5485 /trunk/lang/ (brazilian_portuguese.txt spanish.txt turkish.txt): 17:21:02 <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-12 19:20:40 17:21:02 <CIA-3> brazilian_portuguese - 4 changed by tucalipe (4) 17:21:02 <CIA-3> spanish - 1 fixed by eusebio (1) 17:21:02 <CIA-3> turkish - 1 fixed by jnmbk (1) 17:21:04 <Artea_> i can delete all 17:23:34 <Patrick`> Artea_: we literally cannot understand the words that you say 17:23:37 <Patrick`> don't take this personally 17:23:46 <Patrick`> I can't just politely ignore it because it's not your first language 17:24:57 <Artea_> i know 17:24:58 <Artea_> soz 17:24:59 <Artea_> :/ 17:26:04 <Patrick`> still, if there's one thing I know it's that you'd appreciate having mistakes pointed out 17:26:11 <Patrick`> I know I would if I was trying to learn a language 17:26:42 *** StarLite [n=Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:28:38 <Artea_> i need a Baka's English Lesson 17:28:39 <Artea_> LOL 17:28:54 <hylje> baka 17:29:25 <Patrick`> bakla? 17:29:43 <peter1138> baklava! 17:29:45 <peter1138> mmm 17:29:51 <Artea_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmfaMCk3e_w&search=baka%27s%20english%20lesson 17:30:38 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:30:50 <Patrick`> mm baklava 17:30:53 <Patrick`> with CRUSHED NUTS 17:31:17 *** XeryusTC [n=irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 17:32:21 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:36:03 *** elho [i=elho@psycho.elho.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:04 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:37:06 <elho> hi 17:40:27 <elho> i have added a waypoint to the shared orders of a train, but accidently at the wrong position (at the end). so i added it at the correct one and now want to delete it at the wrong one. but when i select the waypoint and press Delete, it deletes the whole set of orders as if i had selected the --- End ... line 17:41:51 <Belugas> hehehe : you're always craving peter1138 ;) 17:42:54 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B82DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:43:07 *** Dribbel [n=martijn@ipd50a782f.speed.planet.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:43:32 *** TrueLight is now known as TL|Away 17:43:42 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 17:43:49 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B82DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Client Quit] 17:44:09 <elho> oh, fun. now with 2 waypoints at the end, only selecting the upper one unlocks the Delete button, for the lower one it isn't even possible to attempt deleting it :o 17:44:33 <TL|Away> elho: you found a nasty bug 17:45:43 *** Tobin [n=Tobin@c211-28-197-129.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [] 17:47:56 *** Angst [n=Angst@p54947D7F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:49:33 <elho> TL|Away: yeah, seems so... my hope is that someone knows a workaround ;) 17:50:00 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit ["Read error: Connection reset by sortepeer"] 17:50:02 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:50:11 <anboni> elho, if you're lucky, TL|Away will have been so intrigued by this that you'll have an actual fix by the end of the evening :) 17:52:07 <elho> hehe :) 17:52:37 <hylje> :o 17:53:17 <vrak> are there any sane ways to make 2-track both-way RoRo stations? 17:53:37 <anboni> yeah.. x tracks one way and x tracks the other way :) 17:55:39 *** Belugas_Gone [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 17:55:46 <Wolf01> vrak, i tried but i discovered that you get less problems with 2 tracks one way RORO stations 17:56:19 <vrak> i'm beginning to find that out myself 17:56:40 <vrak> they manage to jam themselves suprisingly often with only 5 trains on the line :/ 17:56:43 <Zavior> :) 17:57:04 *** Belugas [n=Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 17:57:21 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 17:58:25 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:58:32 <Wolf01> you get more trains waiting in queue but it doesn't jam anymore 17:59:02 *** Sacro [n=ben@87.102.9.140] has joined #openttd 17:59:17 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:59:42 <vrak> yes, but that layout means separating the stations from the main-line (which i really should do anyway), and that'll likely get rather interesting (rather cramped a few places) 18:00:47 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:01:41 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:01:57 <Brianetta> Anybody here worked on the Planeset? 18:02:15 <Patrick`> stations ... inline ? 18:02:16 <Patrick`> ew 18:02:20 <Brianetta> Says on the web site, "All the elements of the Planeset are copyrighted to their respective artists, as detailed in the accompanying readme file. The Set may not be used in any for-profit undertaking, in whole or in part. Other use is restricted under applicable laws. The Set as a whole may be freely distributed as long as it is accompanied by its readme file, and is distributed under the GPL." 18:02:31 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B82DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:02:32 <Brianetta> Either it's under the GPL or it's not under the GPL 18:02:41 <Patrick`> yeah, that's a conflicting license 18:02:44 <elho> vrak: the bulldozer is your friend in cramped places ;) 18:02:52 <Patrick`> take it under the gpl, sell it on CD, see what they do 18:02:53 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 18:02:57 <vrak> heh 18:03:10 <hylje> you can dual-licence 18:03:36 <Patrick`> I choose to use it in a for-profit enterprise under the GPL 18:03:49 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:03:53 <Patrick`> basically it's saying you can either have our stupid botch-job of a 3 sentence license, or the GPL 18:04:15 <Zavior> Hey Brianetta, when will there be a new game in your nightly server? 18:04:42 <Brianetta> Zavior: Depends whether I want to change theg rfs about now, or later 18:05:03 <Brianetta> Zavior: I normally don't start a new game unless the server reaches 2050 by update time 18:05:33 <Zavior> k, that game woud take few weeks to reach 2050 o_O 18:05:49 <Brianetta> only because nobody plays it 18:06:02 <Zavior> True :P 18:09:12 <Wolf01> Brianetta: Specify -> Design -> Code -> Test -> Release, i thought was 18:09:12 <Wolf01> Specify -> Design -> Code -> :back Release -> Test -> Revert -> Patch -> Loop(back) 18:10:37 <Brianetta> what? 18:10:44 <Brianetta> You've lost me 18:15:15 *** tokai [n=tokai@p54B822B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:16:26 *** KritiK [i=Maxim@ppp85-140-192-111.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:20:40 <Wolf01> you said it there: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=465780#465780 18:24:41 *** tokai|ni [n=tokai@p54B82DB2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:24:42 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit ["Signed off"] 18:29:14 <Brianetta> Updating router firmware. No doubt I'll ping out. 18:30:55 <Belugas> Anyone on a NON Intel platform around? 18:30:59 <Belugas> i have someting to test 18:31:54 <Artea_> Belugas: i don't have... but if u wait few days 18:32:05 <Artea_> maybe i have it 18:32:21 <tokai> Belugas: u mean AMD? 18:32:30 *** Brianett1 [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:32:58 <Rubidium> he means non-Little Endian :) 18:33:04 *** Brianetta [n=brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:33:08 <Belugas> no. sorry, i meant 18:33:09 <Belugas> yes 18:33:13 <Belugas> thanks Rubidium 18:33:30 *** Brianett1 is now known as Brianetta 18:34:38 *** Sacro [n=ben@87.102.9.140] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:34:54 <Belugas> ho... i forgot...and someone who can compile newgrf_lab... 18:35:36 *** Ihmemies [i=ihmemies@a88-113-31-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 18:35:39 <Belugas> that someone i have in mind would be Bjarni, perfect test bencher ... 18:35:41 *** Sacro [n=ben@87.102.9.140] has joined #openttd 18:40:20 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has joined #openttd 18:40:26 *** Trenskow [n=outlet@85.218.142.227] has quit [Client Quit] 18:43:13 *** Sacro [n=ben@87.102.9.140] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:48:16 <elho> uh, waypoints seem more broken. now that i redid them orders, the last station on the list shows the same nehaviour as the waypoint before plus the trains ignore (ie. skip) it :o 18:52:15 *** Sacro [n=ben@87.102.9.140] has joined #openttd 19:00:35 *** tokai|odw [n=tokai@p54B822B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:07:02 *** Forexs [n=forexs@x1-6-00-0f-b5-14-63-5f.k886.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 19:10:23 *** RichK67 [n=RichK67@194.164.100.143] has joined #openttd 19:10:38 <RichK67> ping brianetta 19:13:22 *** Sacro [n=ben@87.102.9.140] has quit [Success] 19:14:27 *** Sacro [n=ben@83.100.253.93] has joined #openttd 19:14:57 *** jonty-comp [n=jonty@88-107-52-232.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:14 <Brianetta> opng 19:15:54 <RichK67> the planesetw you're using is the old one... they havent updated their website to admit that OTTD now fully supports planeset 1.5 19:16:07 <RichK67> just download the normal planeset :) 19:17:06 <Brianetta> where from? 19:17:10 <Brianetta> I told you to send me a link 19:17:17 <RichK67> http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/index.php?do=list&cid=104 19:17:21 <RichK67> link :) 19:17:50 <Brianetta> That's where I got it 19:17:55 <RichK67> 1.5.2 is ok on the nightly 19:18:03 <RichK67> but not on 0.4.7 19:18:06 <Brianetta> Aren't they all that? 19:18:36 <Brianetta> Man, this is why I hate grfs 19:19:03 <RichK67> yeah... and some people think its "the way to go"... bah! 19:22:46 <Brianetta> PlaneSetw.grf != planesetw.grf 19:23:06 *** jonty-comp [n=jonty@88-107-52-232.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Off to MacIrssi! :D"] 19:23:11 <Patrick`> mm, case 19:23:27 *** jonty-comp [n=jonty@88-107-52-232.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:05 <RichK67> from their website: mart3p is working on a patch to make the official Planeset work in OpenTTD; it is available in this thread. 19:25:06 <RichK67> The OpenTTD trunk is close to fully supporting the PlaneSet, as of r5285. 19:25:20 <Brianetta> regerbilled 19:25:26 <Brianetta> close? 19:25:49 <RichK67> some minor graphics tweaks... utf8 support, etc. 19:26:13 <Brianetta> dbg: [PlaneSetw.grf:11][Fatal] Designed to be used with planespeed 1..4 or planespeed on. 19:26:45 <RichK67> oh! that sounds horribly patchian 19:33:09 <RichK67> PlaneSetw.grf works fine here... no errors that i can see 19:37:08 <peter1138> yeah 19:37:19 <peter1138> your version has a patch that makes it ignore that warning 19:37:26 <peter1138> (not that the warning does anything anyway) 19:38:01 <RichK67> okies... its a debug message anyway 19:39:15 <peter1138> mind you 19:39:22 <peter1138> the planeset thread still says 1.2's the latest, heh 19:39:50 <RichK67> but the link takes you to the other planeset thread with the 1.5.2 in it 19:39:55 <RichK67> go figure :P 19:40:29 <Brianetta> grf filenames should have the version in them 19:40:47 <Brianetta> looking at openttd.cfg and expecting it to be relevant is fanciful 19:40:58 <Brianetta> this is why I provide a zip 19:41:13 <Brianetta> and *that* is why I can't use a "do not distribute" grf 19:41:20 <RichK67> yeah 19:41:34 <peter1138> heh, there's no real version inside the grf either 19:41:36 *** Morlark [n=Sean@host81-158-232-112.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:41:42 <Brianetta> I'd rename them all 19:41:48 <Brianetta> but users would get confuzzled 19:41:55 <RichK67> daft really - the author putting a grf on the web, then saying "no distribution".. .duh!! 19:41:59 <Brianetta> and fail to be capable of doing the same 19:42:21 <Brianetta> RichK67: Some do it to ensure people get the latest version 19:42:36 <RichK67> true 19:42:42 <Brianetta> Remember, Patch doesn't do network games, so version mismatches aren't an issue 19:42:55 <peter1138> it does 19:43:05 <peter1138> but not very well :) 19:43:11 <Brianetta> We need to readjust that attitude with a clue-by-four 19:50:27 *** Osai^train is now known as Osai 20:05:02 *** scia [n=scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:49 *** brygge_2 [n=brygge_2@5.81-166-137.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:17 *** jonty-comp [n=jonty@88-107-52-232.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["MacIrssi :D"] 20:15:42 *** angerman_ [n=angerman@e181067049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:18:21 *** Zr40 [n=Zirconiu@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:22:04 *** sw4y [n=sw4y@snat2.arachne.czfree.net] has quit ["Odletam do paralelniho vesmiru..."] 20:27:24 *** brygge_2 [n=brygge_2@5.81-166-137.customer.lyse.net] has quit ["Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com"] 20:30:19 *** DJ_Mirage [n=martijn@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit ["Probably doing 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on reactos, right? 20:43:45 <Patrick`> get yerself submitted to the reactos compatibility list then 20:44:02 <TL|Away> "you guys", lol 20:44:14 <Patrick`> I'd say us but I've been away 20:44:16 <hylje> Patrick`: isnt ottd in the reactos screenshot gallery? :b 20:44:22 <TL|Away> I rather say: the game 20:44:22 <Patrick`> I guess so 20:44:26 <peter1138> what's reactos? 20:44:41 <Patrick`> as linux is to unix, so reactos is to windows 20:44:48 <Patrick`> free clone, aims to be binary compatible 20:45:07 <peter1138> so not really as linux is to unix at all 20:45:11 <TL|Away> based on linux 20:45:13 <TL|Away> uses wine 20:45:13 <TL|Away> :p 20:45:18 <Patrick`> like hell it is 20:45:27 <Patrick`> it's not the linux kernel 20:45:39 <Patrick`> anyway, what's openttd-useful-v1.1 ? 20:46:41 <peter1138> png 20:46:43 <peter1138> zlib 20:46:43 <peter1138> etc 20:46:54 <Patrick`> ah, fair enough 20:49:51 *** JonnyCalcutta [n=Ric@cpc2-ruth2-0-0-cust133.renf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:52:23 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