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02:47:34  <mikk36> :/
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03:48:09  <mikk36> what a silence :/
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03:49:46  <Burgundavia> mikk36: we like it that way
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03:49:53  <mikk36> :P
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03:53:06  <mikk36> lol.. fking lilo again :D
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06:19:55  <k-man> so with freight, like oil and coal, is longer trains better?
06:19:59  <k-man> or shorter trains?
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06:27:05  <[Shaman]> situational
06:27:18  <[Shaman]> depends on supply, demand, ride length
06:30:05  <roboman> and power and speed of loco
06:36:17  <Rubidium> [Shaman]: you should not try to make DistanceManhattan run in less time, but rather try to eliminate the number of calls <- by the way, all calls come from CalcClosestTownFromTile
06:37:20  <[Shaman]> Rubidium: Maybe a table with such things will work out better than constantly calculating :)
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06:40:37  <Rubidium> yes, but a table for DistanceManhattan on a 2048x2048 map will require (2048*2048)*(2048*2048) * 2 (as you need at least an int16 to store all distances), which is 32 TB (2^45), so that is not an option
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06:43:59  <Rubidium> reducing the number of calls needed by making a map for CalcClosestTownFromTile
06:44:25  <Rubidium> and CheckMultipleIndustriesInTown will be less memory wasting
06:44:59  <Rubidium> and will reduce the number of DistanceManhattans dramatically
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07:31:16  <Celestar> lovely
07:31:26  <Celestar> some dumbfuck forgot to tell us that the server-room cooling will be disabled tonight
07:31:29  <Celestar> current temperature: 42°C
07:34:25  <TheMask96> hmm... hopefully your cpu's won't melt :)
07:34:44  <Celestar> well the cooling is back since 0930
07:34:51  <Celestar> and went off with an alarm :P
07:34:58  <TheMask96> gheheh :)
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08:13:38  <TL|Away> [05:57:04] <lilo> [>> $*] [Global Notice] This should be our last glitch, apologies in advance. <- MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
08:14:22  <TL|Away> Bjarni: ping
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08:20:02  <Rubidium> TL|Away: you can of course read that in different ways; one is that this was the last action lilo has done for freenode, or that freenode will not exists anymore when the next glitch arrives or that we are all leaving freenode before the next glitch :)
08:20:40  <TL|Away> Rubidium: I vote for the last option!
08:22:22  <TL|Away> Rubidium: how is the sprite drawing going?
08:22:37  <Qball> this is so f*** annoying, forget to set a password for 1/2 a minute, and somebody is playing "along" with my company.
08:22:41  <Qball> so f** annoying.
08:23:27  <TL|Away> Qball: make a patch that asks for a password on join
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08:24:34  <Rubidium> TL|Away: some speed-ups (mainly in loading), but I've not had any substantial amount of time last 2 weeks to do any work on it :(
08:24:52  * TL|Away gives Rubidium a bit of time :)
08:25:53  <Qball> TL|Away: what about an option where you can let others join your company, that is by default off.
08:26:05  <TL|Away> Qball: go ahead
08:26:17  <Qball> like I am not busy enough
08:26:24  <Qball> just found some time to play a game,
08:26:33  <Qball> some jerky (eeuh herky) fucks up my game
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08:28:33  <Qball> a well, pc re-install time then
08:28:54  <TL|Away> hehe
08:28:59  <TL|Away> like you do have time for THAT :p
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08:31:07  <Qball> TL|Away: well, having a non-running system takes more time then making one
08:31:20  <Qball> pc broke, and the arses that fixed it, wiped it.
08:31:25  <Qball> while nothing wrong there
08:31:28  <TL|Away> mwhahaha :)
08:31:29  <TL|Away> sorry
08:31:31  <TL|Away> that is really bad man
08:31:54  <Qball> aint that bad
08:32:02  <Qball> got backups, and a install doesn't take that long
08:32:11  <Qball> a game of openttd is longer
08:33:20  <TL|Away> But ttha doesn't really say anything
08:33:25  <TL|Away> I know openttd games of several days :p
08:34:06  <Rubidium> ofcourse and OTTD game can have infinite length
08:34:15  <Rubidium> s/and/an/
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08:36:01  <TL|Away> :)
08:36:17  <TL|Away> I finally have a working 64bit USB Wireless on linux :)
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08:38:34  <Nickman87> hi, any admins here?
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08:38:53  <TL|Away> admins for what?
08:40:27  <Qball> TL|Away: average openttd game for me is 1/2 a day
08:40:36  <Qball> then more pressing stuff comes up
08:40:42  <TL|Away> Qball: that puts it more in context :)
08:40:59  <Nickman87> why is tehre a pass on the coop sandbox company?
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08:43:09  <TL|Away> The coop game does bring out the strangest kind of people
08:43:44  <Qball> yep.
08:43:50  <Qball> you are acting strange
08:43:58  <TL|Away> Tnx :)
08:44:25  <Qball> I thought only Tron did random kicks
08:44:39  <Qball> he made it an art
08:44:44  <TL|Away> Might be, this just isn't random ;)
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08:46:35  <Bjarni> now it's official: freenode hates me
08:46:46  <Qball> Bjarni: save us from TL|Away he is doing random kicking...  even when he is away
08:46:52  <Bjarni> I got a timeout and then I got two timeouts when trying to reconnect
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08:47:26  <Bjarni> TL|Away: now I missed your reply :(
08:50:08  <TL|Away> Bjarni: reply to what?
08:50:20  <TL|Away> you neevr said anything
08:51:11  <Bjarni> how should I know that?
08:51:25  <TL|Away> I am telling you now
08:51:49  <TL|Away> Lol, my wlan switches to 1 Mb/s :(
08:53:52  <peter1138> that's lollable?
08:54:25  <RichK67_wrk> hi guys... there is an assert in trunk.... can you fix it with this?? (I dont have compile facilities here)  http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=466763#466763
08:54:46  <TL|Away> RichK67_wrk: there are tons of asserts in the trunk, your point? :p
08:55:30  <RichK67_wrk> this is changing one digit from a 7 to an 8... so it can be done easily, but i cant do a compile/test cycle at work
08:56:07  <TL|Away> RichK67_wrk: why don't you use bugs.openttd.org for it?
08:56:43  <RichK67_wrk> because its on there... (have you actually clicked the link??)
08:56:55  <TL|Away> The way to solve it?
08:57:01  <TL|Away> No, you just posted it on the tt-forums
08:57:06  <TL|Away> we don't work on the tt-forums
08:57:11  <TL|Away> bugs.openttd.org is the place to post that
08:57:15  <TL|Away> (As the bug itself is there too)
08:58:02  <RichK67_wrk> i was more informing the poster than you... (dont be so "follow the procedure"... its a one character fix)
08:58:26  <TL|Away> RichK67_wrk: hehe, you might find it follow the procedure
08:58:34  <TL|Away> for me it is just keeping bugs.openttd.org logic and readable
09:00:29  <RichK67_wrk> ok... http://bugs.openttd.org/task/241   good enough?
09:01:02  <TL|Away> See, that I can work with
09:01:22  <RichK67_wrk> is your middle name Dalestan?
09:02:18  <TL|Away> want a kick?
09:02:26  <TL|Away> Qball just told me I am a random kicker
09:02:26  <TL|Away> so
09:03:03  <CIA-3> truelight * r5494 /trunk/station_map.h: -Fix: [#241] an enum with 2 equal numbers is rarely a good idea ;) (RichK67)
09:03:40  <peter1138> i prefer enums which number themselves...
09:03:46  <TL|Away> peter1138: me 2
09:03:47  <RichK67_wrk> bah... typo would have been kinder
09:03:56  <TL|Away> but those enums can't be done like that I guess
09:04:00  <TL|Away> RichK67_wrk: I am _not_ kind
09:04:01  <RichK67_wrk> and it was mart3p
09:04:25  <TL|Away> so next time let him reply in bugs.openttd.org
09:04:28  <RichK67_wrk> (read my links... i dont put them there for fun...)
09:04:48  <TL|Away> okay, so I won't commit anything for you anymore
09:04:49  <TL|Away> no problem
09:05:40  <RichK67_wrk> ok - yeah, its a lot harder work than its worth :P ;)
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09:06:39  <TL|Away> peter1138: did you try that Makefile thingy?
09:09:24  <TL|Away> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/208 <- some people are so funny! Always trying to 'force' there thing as most important :)
09:09:55  <TL|Away> even telling how long it would take and when  itshould be done :)
09:12:55  <Bjarni> if he is so well into what needs to be done, then he should code it
09:12:55  <Zavior> The idea itself isn't bad
09:13:04  <RichK67_wrk> hmm... 30 mins tops??? maybe he should write a patch first then ;)
09:13:04  <TL|Away> Zavior: I agree, but the way he asks... ;)
09:13:07  <Bjarni> I know for sure that I would not be able to code it in 30 minutes
09:13:21  <TL|Away> Bjarni: I am sure I can, but that is an other story :p
09:14:08  <RichK67_wrk> yeah... maybe write the bare hack of it in 30 mins.... then testing it would take .. rather longer.. debugging longer still
09:17:41  <peter1138> TL|Away: that 208 was originally put up as high priority, severity urgent, due in version 0.4.8...
09:17:55  <peter1138> or whatever the highest values are ;p
09:18:16  <TL|Away> really.. amazing how important people can consider themself :)
09:18:22  <peter1138> ah, as the history says :)
09:18:28  <peter1138> priority: immediate
09:18:34  <peter1138> severity: critical
09:18:42  <peter1138> even the subject, heh
09:18:49  <peter1138> how the feck can a url be important? heh
09:19:07  <TL|Away> :)
09:19:38  <peter1138> if it was a standard feature request, i might've thought about doing it, heh...
09:19:48  <peter1138> i think i've used up my "heh" quota
09:20:10  <TL|Away> I think so too
09:25:03  <TL|Away> pompiedom
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09:48:21  <Bjarni> did I time out again?
09:48:40  <TL|Away> nah
09:48:54  <Bjarni> ahh, you played the idle trick on me
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09:49:00  <Bjarni> mean guys >_<
09:49:08  <TL|Away> sue me
09:50:54  <Bjarni> if we were in USA, I would
09:53:35  <Tobin> Man, the MacOS X Yahoo messenger client doesn't suck nearly as much as I thought it would.
09:54:13  <Tobin> The current beta anyway.
09:54:43  <Bjarni> Tobin: you should be asleep now
09:54:48  <Bjarni> it's daylight outside
09:55:47  <Tobin> TL|Away: RE: the guy forcing his item to be high priority. He was a real dick about the time he submitted that too. He also confused people telling him he was acting stupid with people shooting down his idea.
09:56:07  <Tobin> Bjarni: It's 19:55 and I haven't had dinner yet.
09:56:21  <TL|Away> Tobin: hehe
09:58:44  <izhirahider> guys, how can I overwrite a file I edited with a fresh copy if I edited it in svn?
09:58:52  <izhirahider> using*
09:59:07  <izhirahider> instead of getting the whole tree again
09:59:28  <Tobin> svn revert $filename
09:59:42  <peter1138> heh
09:59:46  <izhirahider> the problem I changed a lot of files :/
09:59:50  <peter1138> svn revert -R .
09:59:55  <izhirahider> ah ha
10:00:46  <izhirahider> thank you
10:01:02  <peter1138> svn help :P
10:01:13  <izhirahider> both are really useful
10:01:33  <TL|Away> www.google.com -> subversion redbook
10:06:10  <Tobin> How do you get to the history of a report on bugs.openttd.org?
10:07:14  <TL|Away> You have to login for that
10:07:51  <TL|Away> I hate SF
10:07:55  <TL|Away> I have a 100 mbit server
10:08:02  <TL|Away> more peerings then my arm is long
10:08:06  <TL|Away> connected to AIX
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10:08:08  <TL|Away> and blablabla
10:08:14  <TL|Away> then you start uploading to the lovely SF servers
10:08:16  <TL|Away> 8886055 bytes sent in 182 secs (48 Kbytes/sec)
10:08:20  <TL|Away> then is THAT the result
10:08:24  <TL|Away> WTF? :)
10:10:44  <TheMask96> TL|Away: you do know you have to connect to the SF servers using a direct-link with a UTP cable to have some sort of fast connection? ;)
10:11:03  <TL|Away> hehe
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10:48:03  <SpComb> FAKEEEEEE!!!!1111
10:51:40  <Sacro> lollzors
10:53:46  <peter1138> hmm, hungry
10:53:46  <peter1138> still
10:53:49  <peter1138> or again
10:53:53  <peter1138> WHO KNOWS
10:54:00  <Sacro> you?
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10:59:52  <TL|Away> 0.4.8-RC1 is now official released
10:59:57  <TL|Away> files should be at SF any minute now
11:00:09  <TL|Away> (but this time it is SF that needs to do the work :p)
11:04:51  <SpComb> hah hah hah, /me just ate a kebab!
11:04:58  * SpComb taunts peter1138
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11:30:43  <peter1138> wha?
11:30:48  <peter1138> kebab!
11:30:50  <peter1138> hmm
11:31:01  <SpComb> mmmh!
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11:33:48  <peter1138> hmm
11:33:49  <peter1138> was tron here?
11:34:18  <SpComb> not for a while
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11:34:42  * SpComb ducates peter1138 in the use of !logs
11:34:45  <SpComb> *educates
11:36:07  <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/view/2006-07-01~443#goto
11:36:20  <SpComb> generally, http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/search/20@tron
11:37:13  <SpComb> so he was last active on the first
11:41:31  <peter1138> hmm
11:41:41  <peter1138> Last Seen: 1 day (15h 13m 41s) ago
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11:52:29  <MiHaMiX> TL|Away: PING
11:52:52  <SpComb> peter1138: hmm, I had a network outage, but it wasn't very long...
11:54:40  <SpComb> Eddi|zuHause: no grepping logs!
11:55:01  <Eddi|zuHause> ?
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12:03:17  <SpComb> !grep <days> <what>
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12:03:54  <SpComb^> observe.
12:03:54  <SpComb^> observe.
12:03:57  <SpComb^> !grep 20 tron
12:03:57  <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/search/20@tron
12:03:57  <SpComb^> !grep 20 tron
12:03:58  <SpComb> http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd/search/20@tron
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12:05:47  <SpComb> hmm, you probably can't do conditionals and variable assignments in irssi aliases
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12:06:24  <Splatman1984> Silly question, I am working on a patch if I have a StationID how would I go about finding out if a vehcile stops there?
12:07:18  <Celestar> so?
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12:08:18  <Celestar> Splatman1984: cycle through its orders?
12:09:14  <Celestar> Splatman1984: check the "CheckOrders" function for ideas
12:11:10  *** TL|Away is now known as TrueLight
12:11:12  <Splatman1984> ah ha thanks
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12:17:48  <TrueLight> pompiedom
12:17:52  <TrueLight> ndiswrapper rules :)
12:18:01  <Celestar> ndiswrapper bein?
12:18:06  <TrueLight> bein?
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12:23:50  <Richlv> yeah. rc1 available
12:23:52  <Richlv> thanks :)
12:24:02  <TrueLight> have fun :)
12:25:06  <Celestar> bein== being
12:25:28  <TrueLight> ah, ndiswrapper makes it possible to load Windows .inf files to enabled, say, USB Wireless device
12:25:32  <TrueLight> also USB Wired devices should work
12:25:36  <TrueLight> and Wireless devices in general
12:26:05  <TrueLight> (it 'emulates' the NDIS of Windows, so .sys files work without modification)
12:26:29  <Richlv> ndiswrapper allows to load windows drivers (coded against ndis) - it also was used for ethernet cards some time ago
12:26:31  <Celestar> uh huh
12:26:42  <Celestar> I don't havta use that crap \o/
12:26:43  <Richlv> but yeah, nowadays it's mostly wireless adapters from crappy vendors ;)
12:26:49  <TrueLight> so, I have my Linksys USB working on Linux :p
12:27:39  <TrueLight> the linux kernel supports only a few usb network devices (wired or wireless)
12:27:43  <TrueLight> and some support even is broken
12:29:16  <Zavior> Hopefully the kernel will support my network card someday
12:29:26  <TrueLight> soooooooooooooooooooo
12:29:31  <TrueLight> what shall I Do next.....
12:29:39  <Zavior> Support for my network card
12:29:54  <TrueLight> donate me a system with the network card
12:29:55  <TrueLight> and  Imight :p
12:30:09  <Zavior> k, next time you visit finland
12:30:18  <TrueLight> who knows :)
12:30:38  <Zavior> I know I wont be home then BD
12:30:38  <ln-> will 0.4.8 ship with the original graphics and sound files?
12:30:57  <TrueLight> ln-: lol :)
12:32:04  <ln-> TrueLight: given that even now ottd contains copyrighted material from TTD, it wouldn't be such a big change. and would make people's lives easier.
12:32:30  <ln-> i'm referring to the strings.
12:32:40  <ln-> english strings especially.
12:33:07  <TrueLight> I believe that is the funniest reason I have got till now :)
12:33:11  <Celestar> cool
12:33:21  <Celestar> the Intel X6800 really shows some nice performance data
12:33:24  <TrueLight> we should release the graphics, because we use the copyrighted strings...
12:33:36  <Celestar> will it be enough to run windows vista like my 386 runs Win95?
12:33:45  <TrueLight> Celestar: doubtful
12:33:52  <TrueLight> nothing is powerful enough to make Vista run anywhere near smooth
12:33:56  <Celestar> I don't think so either
12:34:01  <ln-> TrueLight: no, not because of that, but because getting the data files is extra trouble.
12:34:02  * TrueLight shits on Vista
12:34:11  * Celestar has already put a Vista ban onto this deparment
12:34:43  <TrueLight> ln-: but we do need to keep you busy, don't we?
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12:35:12  <ln-> TrueLight: that's a valid point.
12:36:27  <ln-> so... when will the elrails be included in a release version?
12:36:39  <Eddi|zuHause> in 0.5.0
12:36:51  <Celestar> unless Tron decides to remove them
12:36:58  <Eddi|zuHause> lol :p
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12:38:15  <TrueLight> 1-0 for Celestar here in the corner
12:38:24  <Celestar> actually this wasn't meant as a joke
12:38:26  <Celestar> :P
12:38:33  <TrueLight> So you didn't succeed :)
12:39:13  <ln-> it sounded too probable to be a joke
12:39:49  <TrueLight> lucky for you Celestar, elrails is very stable :)
12:39:58  <Celestar> was bridges unstable?
12:40:02  <TrueLight> dunno
12:40:03  <TrueLight> never tried it
12:40:11  <Celestar> I didn't receive a SIGNLE bug report
12:40:22  <TrueLight> Yeah, graphical glitches
12:40:25  <Celestar> apart from someGUI problems
12:40:35  <TrueLight> but okay, Tron was just pissed that his name wasn't on the commit message :p
12:40:51  <TheMask96> lol :)
12:40:52  <ln-> Celestar: did you happen to have a look at my patch, which fixes annoying feature that regular rails and elrails cannot be easily built to intersect?
12:41:06  <Celestar> so who will merge bridges?
12:41:17  <Celestar> ln-: no not yet, please poke me on monday?
12:41:20  <TrueLight> Celestar: hehe, I have no problems remerging it to the trunk :p
12:41:29  <TrueLight> I have been yelled at so many times, that it doesn't even hurt anymore
12:41:30  <ln-> Celestar: ok.
12:42:02  <Celestar> TrueLight: drop him a mail please, if he doesn't answer for 2 weeks, ...
12:42:03  <hylje> i should try out bridgebranch a bit
12:42:04  <Celestar> *boom*
12:42:22  <TrueLight> Celestar: so you just want to find someone that emails him to ask him if he died or not?
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12:42:36  <Celestar> TrueLight: kind of, yeah
12:42:52  <TrueLight> e
12:42:53  <TrueLight> hehe
12:42:56  <TrueLight> sorry, won't d othat :)
12:43:08  <TrueLight> I guess that is a job for Darkvater :p
12:43:31  <Celestar> I don't feel like sending any SYN packets to Tron
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12:45:33  <ln-> does anyone know Tron's snail mail address? ... we could send him patches by mail.
12:45:43  <ln-> or post cards.
12:45:44  <hylje> heh
12:45:52  <hylje> lets ddos him
12:45:55  <hylje> with mail
12:45:59  <TrueLight> people
12:46:05  <TrueLight> a bit more respectful please
12:46:10  <hylje> :(
12:46:52  <ln-> i didn't suggest ddosing
12:48:23  <TheMask96> yes.. just have a little ms. Franklin thoughts...
12:48:42  <TheMask96> R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
12:49:06  <TheMask96> or think... what you're trying to do to tron, yeaahh... yeah yeah yeaaahh...
12:49:28  <TheMask96> (it's friday... just ignore me ;) )
12:49:40  <TrueLight> okay
12:49:49  * ln- will be visiting München in couple of weeks
12:49:58  <Celestar> ln-: really?
12:50:04  <Celestar> when? why?
12:50:17  <hylje> why not
12:50:19  <hylje> :o
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12:52:33  <ln-> Celestar: really. me + a friend of mine are renting a car at genève, then driving with it to münchen, after looking at the alps. arriving on august 3rd, flying back to finland on august 4th.
12:53:34  <Celestar> oh nice
12:56:09  <ln-> too bad the maglev route to the airport is not quite finished or even started yet. :)
13:04:43  <TrueLight> http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php <- I released the MD5s of all the binaries we have
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13:04:49  <TrueLight> so people can confirm that they have the real thing
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13:08:30  <mikk36> mornin' :)
13:08:32  <mikk36> a question
13:08:50  <mikk36> my dedicated server crashed, but the "submit report" button was greyed out...
13:09:19  <TrueLight> because that information is totally useless for us
13:09:31  <TrueLight> (That is, nobody is here that can read and understand those reports)
13:09:31  <mikk36> ok
13:10:07  <ln-> Celestar: is there something particularly interesting that a tourist with not very much time should see? (i already have deutsches museum in mind, although i've been there once.)
13:10:10  <mikk36> then mayb someone would write an extra line there to not panic if the button is greyed out
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13:11:25  <Belugas>  hello all
13:11:35  <RichK67_wrk> howdeee
13:12:02  <Belugas> hello RichK67_wrk :)
13:13:09  <RichK67_wrk> my nick should be RichK67_not_feeling_well_but_at_work_anyway_and_wishing_i_was_back_home_with_a_paracetemol_drink
13:13:18  <hylje> too bad the nicklen is so short
13:13:24  <RichK67_wrk> yup :)
13:13:28  <TrueLight> RichK67_wrk: GO HOME!
13:13:41  <mikk36> lol
13:13:47  <RichK67_wrk> too much to do... although you grep gurus could help
13:14:24  <RichK67_wrk> i want to find the files that do contain the string "BadPIN", but *do not* contain the string "PIN_Unblock"... any ideas??
13:15:22  <TheMask96> can't you create a list of files containing string one, and a list containing string 2, and then do a diff on both lists? (or something like that)
13:15:26  <TrueLight> grep "BadPIN" * | grep -v "PIN_Unblock"
13:15:43  <TheMask96> or you can listen to TrueLight :)
13:16:06  <Maedhros> TrueLight: that'll only find lines that contain BadPin and not PIN_Unblock, not files...
13:16:38  <RichK67_wrk> Maedhros: yup - that was my problem too
13:16:42  <TrueLight> and it shows the files that only contains BadPIN, and not PIN_Unblock
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13:16:55  <TrueLight> so a | cut -d: -f 1
13:16:57  <TrueLight> shows the files
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13:17:10  <RichK67_wrk> any windows translation? :)
13:17:24  <RichK67_wrk> i have gnu grep for win
13:17:37  <TrueLight> should work too
13:17:47  <RichK67_wrk> ok, ill try
13:20:00  <RichK67_wrk> nope - matches every file (of 2250)
13:20:31  <TrueLight> grep BadPIN *
13:20:34  <RichK67_wrk> there should be about 500 BadPIN, about 250+ PIN_Unblock... so about 250 without
13:20:36  <TrueLight> should only match files that contain BadPIN
13:20:49  <TrueLight> it shows the matching file and the line
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13:20:51  <TrueLight> so you get multiple hits
13:20:53  <TrueLight> per file
13:21:12  <RichK67_wrk> yup - ive got an extract with the -l option to list only the filename
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13:25:06  <RichK67_wrk> hi frostregen... fun little game on the brianetta server... alkalamania keeps joining, then fails to be profitable and goes bankrupt again... :)   done it three times now ;)
13:25:14  <Zavior> :D
13:25:26  <Zavior> Akalamanaia pwns.
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13:26:11  <RichK67_wrk> granted he did try shipping steel by air :)   (duh!)
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13:26:37  <roboman> gnight
13:27:24  <Zavior> :D
13:28:21  <Sacro> RichK67_wrk: build plane at one end...dismantle at the other...its easy :P
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13:28:59  <RichK67_wrk> lol
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13:53:10  <TrueLight> Did you guys know that we have just 6 0.4.5 servers running
13:53:18  <TrueLight> that there are no longer 0.4.0.1 servers running
13:53:33  <TrueLight> that I hope 0.4.7 will be replaced faster to 0.4.8 then people updated to 0.4.5 :p
13:54:18  <TheMask96> i didn't know you hoped that :), but I guess we all are hoping the same thing :)
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13:54:50  <TrueLight> Till 2 weeks ago, people still used 0.4.0.1
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13:54:55  <TrueLight> really... I mean.. COME ON! :p
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13:55:37  <TheMask96> really?
13:55:43  <coppercore> wow
13:55:48  <coppercore> oldskool anyone?
13:56:54  <ln-> so where is mr. Tron? does he have a life?
13:57:07  <TheMask96> well... it's no big surprise... still 4% of people also still use windows 98... can't imagine who wants to use that...
13:57:30  <TrueLight> remove the 98 part, and I repeat the same sentence :)
13:57:40  <TheMask96> keeping up-to-date is kinda hard for a lot of people
13:57:42  <Tobin> I think it has got a bit to do with people who setup a "l337 nEw Ueber de1cat3d server" then neglect it utterly.
13:57:42  <TheMask96> lol :)
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13:58:09  <TrueLight> Hehe, I remember at the time I wrote the dedicated server
13:58:16  <TrueLight> most of the devs complained that it was an unneeded feature
13:58:18  <TrueLight> nobody would use it
13:58:20  <TrueLight> and what was the use of it
13:58:23  <Tobin> I mean, it's lots of fun to start something but less exciting to maintain it.
13:58:26  <TrueLight> now, 90% of the servers online are dedicated :p
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14:19:13  <mikk36> TrueLight, by what are the server secondarily sorted on servers.php ?
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14:19:24  <TrueLight> revision, users
14:19:27  <TrueLight> I believe was the order
14:19:32  <TrueLight> or name
14:19:38  <TrueLight> revision, users, name
14:19:43  <TrueLight> or revisions, name, users
14:19:45  <mikk36> don't seem to ?
14:19:52  <mikk36> revision is forst, that i found
14:20:05  <mikk36> but couldn't find anything logic in secondary sorting
14:20:08  <mikk36> first*
14:20:12  <TrueLight> revision, users
14:20:21  <mikk36> what users ?
14:20:26  <TrueLight> clients
14:20:28  <TrueLight> connected clients
14:20:32  <mikk36> nop
14:20:34  <TrueLight> yes
14:20:41  <mikk36> or.. hmm
14:20:54  <mikk36> ok, then third ?
14:21:07  <TrueLight> it should be name
14:21:11  <TrueLight> but that doesn't look like it
14:21:31  <TrueLight> ah, yes
14:21:32  <TrueLight> name :)
14:22:04  <mikk36> signs are at end ?
14:22:11  <TrueLight> signs?
14:22:14  <mikk36> symbols
14:22:20  <TrueLight> normal mysql sorting
14:22:36  <mikk36> hmm, ok
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16:18:19  <TrueLight> mikk36: you made the channel silent :(
16:18:53  <Belugas> shhhhhhut , they are all slipping :S
16:19:04  <Belugas> sleeping...
16:19:09  <TrueLight> hehehehehehe
16:19:12  <TrueLight> BOE!
16:19:33  <Belugas> lol
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16:42:17  <hylje> slipping away
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16:42:59  <Wolf01> yo
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16:51:07  <ChrisM87> With 0.4.8 RC my secondary industries (like sawmill) stop producing goods.
16:51:10  <ChrisM87> Is this a known bug?
16:51:28  <Noldo> they are getting wood?
16:51:57  <ChrisM87> of course they do
16:52:03  <ChrisM87> the safegame worked fine with 0.4.7
16:52:45  <Noldo> ah, stopped in that timeline
16:53:52  <ChrisM87> this is so bad, what am i supposed to do now?
16:54:05  <ChrisM87> I can't believe that such a huge bug made it into an RC
16:54:09  <Noldo> file a bug report
16:55:56  <ChrisM87> and my save game is lost?
16:55:57  <ChrisM87> bad thing
16:56:09  <ChrisM87> i can't go back to 0.4.7 with it
16:56:26  <Noldo> now that is really bad
16:56:32  <CIA-3> miham * r5495 /trunk/lang/ (4 files in 2 dirs):
16:56:32  <CIA-3> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-07-14 18:55:51
16:56:32  <CIA-3> brazilian_portuguese - 10 changed by tucalipe (10)
16:56:32  <CIA-3> bulgarian - 26 fixed by groupsky (26)
16:56:32  <CIA-3> italian - 1 fixed by sidew (1)
16:56:33  <CIA-3> slovak - 22 fixed by lengyel (22)
16:56:35  <Noldo> do you have any old autosaves
16:57:11  <MiHaMiX> Total I18N status: 96% - 2910 bad strings out of 73556 strings
16:57:23  <MiHaMiX> (it was never that high :)
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17:11:05  <ln-> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3382491587979249836
17:12:35  <TrueLight> ChrisM87: for that it is called a release candidate.. it _can_ contain bugs
17:25:16  <mikk36> (19:18:19) (TrueLight) mikk36: you made the channel silent :( <-- lol :D
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17:39:10  <TrueLight> pompiedom
17:42:53  <Belugas> TrueLight : Would you tell me where are the trunk nightlies log, please?
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17:43:17  <TrueLight> Belugas: check the downloads page -> nightlies -> bottom link
17:43:34  <Belugas> ok. thanks
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17:54:06  <CIA-3> belugas * r5496 /trunk/ (currency.c newgrf.c): H:\SVN\Commiters\mapping.txt
17:54:19  <TrueLight> Belugas: nice commit message :
17:54:20  <TrueLight> p
17:55:29  * TrueLight slaps Belugas hard
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17:55:34  <TrueLight> check commits before committing them
17:55:37  <CIA_3> [CodeChange] Removed two compiler warnings.
17:55:42  <CIA_3> 1) add newline at end of file in currency.c.
17:55:47  <CIA_3> 2) remove unused (for now) CargosChangeInfo
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17:56:13  <scia> CIA-3 is slow today :p
17:56:24  <Belugas> batch file wrongly written
17:56:36  <TrueLight> Belugas: shouldn't this have gone to the newgrf_lab branch?
17:56:44  <TrueLight> because 1) seems to be the case in the branch, not in the trunk
17:57:08  <Belugas> oups...
17:57:24  <Belugas> although 2) is right
17:57:29  <TrueLight> :) If you say so
17:57:40  <TrueLight> the other thing, don't commit between 19:45 and 20:15 please :)
17:57:55  <Belugas> it is THAT LATE???
17:58:04  <glx> [19:57:56] <Belugas> it is THAT LATE???
17:58:09  <Belugas> sorry, i though I had half an hour in front of me
17:58:13  <TrueLight> hehe ;)
17:58:35  <glx> Belugas: your are at -6 I think
17:58:48  <Belugas> yes
17:58:58  <Belugas> 14:00 right now
17:59:44  <glx> so don't commit between 13:45 and 14:15 please :)
18:00:55  <Belugas> I though it was around 13:15, as my collegues just came back form lunch
18:00:59  <Belugas> the took too long
18:01:07  <Belugas> and i've been desynched :)
18:01:21  <Belugas> I'm a habit guy
18:01:25  <Belugas> routine
18:02:27  <glx> TrueLight: do you have access to the log database (to fix latest commit :) )
18:02:30  <glx> ?
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18:02:49  <TrueLight> glx: I have, but I rarely find it really useful :p
18:02:53  <TrueLight> bu tokay, will do so in a moment
18:04:07  <Sacro_> hmm...shall i learn vim
18:04:24  <TrueLight> Belugas: now I did almost the same... ;) (was about to commit something :))
18:04:30  <TrueLight> peter1138: found the bug about building rails on road pieces
18:04:44  <Sacro_> bugs...? in openttd...?
18:04:47  <Belugas> i'm contagious ;)
18:04:55  * Sacro_ itches
18:06:25  <TrueLight> Belugas / glx: fixed wrong log message
18:11:32  <TrueLight> 4 more minutes...
18:11:34  <TrueLight> tick tack
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18:14:11  <CIA-3> truelight * r5497 /trunk/rail_cmd.c: -Fix: somehow in r5315 slipped some wrong logic, allowed you to build rail on all road pieces without really building it ;)
18:15:13  <Sacro_> [19:14] <CIA-3> truelight * r5497 <---  [19:00] <glx> so don't commit between 13:45 and 14:15 please :)
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18:15:31  <TrueLight> Yeah, I was 50 seconds early
18:15:47  <Belugas> thanks TrueLight
18:16:09  <TrueLight> Tron's attempts to clean up the code sometimes result in wrong logic....
18:16:22  <TrueLight> you can't make all if statements more logic :(
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18:22:12  <Wolf01> but you can simplify them with karnaugh
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18:23:26  <TrueLight> sure sure, in your world, you can :)
18:24:37  <Wolf01> i always use k-maps if i need a particular logic
18:25:22  <TrueLight> peter1138 / Celestar / Belugas / who ever: the bug that a sawmail doesn't produce wood is verified, it doesn't in RC1.....
18:25:53  <TrueLight> (in fact, ALL industries have this problem)
18:26:07  <peter1138> yay, who made that bug?
18:26:33  <TrueLight> peter1138: if we knew where it was... :p
18:26:50  <TrueLight> wow, the patch from 0.4.7 to 0.4.8-RC1 is big
18:27:40  <peter1138> yeah
18:27:50  <peter1138> flog a dead horse 'n stuff
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18:30:52  <Belugas> TrueLight, can you send me the patch? don't have the time to learn how to make one against those, but have a few moments now and then to read some code...
18:31:17  <Belugas> hello peter1138, by the way :)
18:31:19  <TrueLight> svn diff svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.4.7 svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.4.8-RC1 > 0.4.7-0.4.8-RC1.diff
18:31:40  <TrueLight> Belugas: you only need subversion installed :)
18:33:22  <Belugas> mainly a better knowledge on svn mechanisms ;)
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18:37:05  <ChrisM87> TrueLight: Will there be a RC2 soon?
18:37:11  <ChrisM87> I mean RC1 is unusable
18:37:11  <TrueLight> ChrisM87: I sure hope so :P
18:37:13  <ChrisM87> with the bug
18:37:43  <ChrisM87> or if somebody has a solution, please tell me
18:37:53  <ChrisM87> a patch is no problem, since i compile from source anyway
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18:40:33  <TrueLight> I Walked through the difference
18:40:39  <TrueLight> and I can find no change at all related to this problem
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18:41:12  <TrueLight> besides
18:41:13  <TrueLight> one change
18:41:14  <TrueLight> hmmz
18:41:33  <TrueLight> -       u = _patches.station_spread + 8;
18:41:33  <TrueLight> +       u = (_patches.station_spread + 8) * 2;
18:41:33  <TrueLight> -                                (t = DistanceManhattan(ind->xy, xy)) < 2 * u) {
18:41:33  <TrueLight> +                                (t = DistanceManhattan(ind->xy, xy)) < 2) {
18:42:00  <TrueLight> it seems like someone changed the wrong thing ;)
18:42:36  <TrueLight> 4508 by Celestar in trunk
18:42:43  <TrueLight> 4677 by Darkvater in 0.4 branch
18:43:09  <ChrisM87> Which file is this?
18:43:14  <TrueLight> economy.c
18:43:19  <ChrisM87> thx
18:43:33  <TrueLight> lol
18:43:40  <TrueLight> it can now only find industries in a 2 radius
18:43:53  * TrueLight slaps Darkvater REALLY hard
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18:43:58  <TrueLight> in trunk, the change is
18:44:10  <TrueLight> -                                (t = DistanceManhattan(ind->xy, xy)) < 2 * u) {
18:44:10  <TrueLight> +                                (t = DistanceManhattan(ind->xy, xy)) < u) {
18:44:15  <TrueLight> see the small difference ;)
18:45:35  <TrueLight> this should do it
18:45:37  <CIA-3> truelight * r5498 /branches/0.4/economy.c:
18:45:37  <CIA-3> -Fix: in r4677, Darkvater ported patch r4508 from trunk wrongly into the 0.4
18:45:37  <CIA-3> branch. Because of that stations no longer delivered goods to industries if they
18:45:37  <CIA-3> were more then 2 tiles away, instead of the allowed station_spread * 2.
18:45:38  <TrueLight> ChrisM87: like to test it?
18:45:41  <ChrisM87> i changed both lines
18:45:42  <ChrisM87> and it works
18:45:43  <ChrisM87> :)
18:45:47  <TrueLight> both?
18:45:51  <TrueLight> no need to change both lines
18:45:53  <TrueLight> it should be:
18:45:58  <TrueLight> u = (_patches.station_spread + 8) * 2;
18:45:59  <TrueLight> and
18:46:04  <TrueLight> (t = DistanceManhattan(ind->xy, xy)) < u) {
18:46:07  <TrueLight> can you confirm that is working?
18:46:24  <ChrisM87> wait one moment
18:47:43  <Belugas> around 600k of lang changes
18:47:43  <ChrisM87> works!!
18:47:50  <ChrisM87> @TrueLight
18:47:51  <peter1138> heh
18:47:55  <Belugas> congrats TrueLight
18:47:56  <TrueLight> hmmz, now I finally understands why sometimes industry delivery was wrong :)
18:47:57  <TrueLight> good
18:48:05  <TrueLight> peter1138 / Celestar / Bjarni: we need to release RC2 ASAP!
18:48:10  <TrueLight> RC1 is simply totally broken
18:48:12  <peter1138> yup
18:48:20  <TrueLight> I suggest to do it tomorrow
18:48:20  <peter1138> heh, at least it was an RC this time :)
18:48:25  <TrueLight> yeah :)
18:48:30  <ChrisM87> Are there other bugs except this one?
18:48:36  <ChrisM87> in RC1
18:48:39  <TrueLight> ChrisM87: yes, some minor ones
18:48:56  <ChrisM87> ok, but thx for your help
18:49:04  <ChrisM87> i'll now continue playing with my fixed RC1
18:49:09  <ChrisM87> and search for new bugs ;)
18:49:21  <TrueLight> :) Please do so :)
18:49:27  <TrueLight> btw, multiplayer games are impossible with your client now :)
18:49:30  <TrueLight> I hope you understand taht :)
18:50:08  <Bjarni> TrueLight: so soon?
18:50:13  <TrueLight> things fixed in RC2: morphos thingies, macosx thingies, autoreplace and this bug
18:50:14  <Bjarni> I just made a release on SF today
18:50:22  <TrueLight> Bjarni: RC1 is unplayable, so you want to remove it ASAP
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18:50:46  <Bjarni> right
18:50:54  <Bjarni> so I should hide it from SF again?
18:50:58  <Bjarni> right away?
18:51:12  * peter1138 hides Bjarni
18:51:29  <TrueLight> Bjarni: won't help
18:51:36  <TrueLight> and bad advertising
18:51:41  <TrueLight> you need a new RC
18:51:44  <TrueLight> then people don't mind that much
18:51:51  <TrueLight> (I mean, therefor it is a RC
18:52:00  <peter1138> yeah
18:52:05  <peter1138> well, make it now :D
18:52:14  <TrueLight> peter1138: feel free :p
18:52:21  <TrueLight> I am going to watch Lost now :)
18:52:33  <TrueLight> bbl
18:54:16  <Bjarni> is he going to watch or be lost?
18:54:42  <Bjarni> so
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18:54:49  <Bjarni> what do we do now?
18:55:01  <Bjarni> I mean, I can make OSX binaries, but for windows....
18:55:17  <TrueLight> glx: ping
18:55:29  <peter1138> lol
18:55:48  <peter1138> someone tried to put 3 transactions of 6.4 million pounds through our gateway
18:56:04  <TrueLight> peter1138: give me!
18:56:47  <peter1138> well, they all failed...
18:56:53  <Bjarni> "our gateway".... I presume it's not some OTTD gateway
18:57:16  <Bjarni> so it's not donations for OTTD
18:58:02  <Bjarni> actually I don't want that kind of money... nobody in their right minds would give it away and it would take the "non-profit" thing away from the project
18:58:17  <Eddi|zuHause> they "failed", does that mean they accidently landed in your pocket? :)
18:58:38  <hylje> lol
18:58:43  <TrueLight> Bjarni: I wouldn't mind ;)
18:58:45  <hylje> AI does funny bridges in bridgebranch
18:58:46  <Belugas> peter1138 : 2 things. it was a fraud, and your system reacted fine OR it was valid and you have a bug :)
18:58:59  <peter1138> Belugas: nah, ceiling limit, heh
18:59:25  <Belugas> Good safeguards :)
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19:11:41  <Eddi|zuHause> argh... which idiot translated this... "Fifo belade verfahren benutzen"
19:12:03  <Eddi|zuHause> is that in trunk too?
19:12:41  <Bjarni> I don't know
19:12:44  <Eddi|zuHause> (this is in miniIN)
19:13:07  <Bjarni> do you want to be a translator, so you can correct strings like that when you find them?
19:13:38  <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably from one of the patches
19:13:48  <Bjarni> don't be too sure
19:14:15  <Bjarni> sometimes the trunk ends up with strings, that are worse than that one
19:14:39  <Bjarni> amazingly, some people really wants to submit strings like that o_O
19:16:39  <Bjarni> do anybody know of any railroad company, that uses some blue and white diesel locomotives to haul freight trains between Germany and Sweden?
19:20:34  <Zavior> .. what
19:21:03  <Eddi|zuHause> all locomotives i know are red...
19:21:13  <Eddi|zuHause> (or black for steam)
19:21:33  <Bjarni> ok, it might be a bit off topic, but I really wonder who owned that train, that is passing though Denmark right now
19:22:40  <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause: http://www.mikkel-elling.dk/Billeder-Tog/Railion_EG_3110_-_EG_31xx_-_gods__-Ved_Forlev-270602____WEB.jpg <-- not all locomotives are red ;)
19:23:11  <Bjarni> but a blue and white diesel locomotive....
19:23:15  <Eddi|zuHause> that may be, but i do not know them :=)
19:23:25  <Bjarni> I have absolutely no idea who owns them
19:23:37  <Eddi|zuHause> the DBSetXL has a diesel engine called "Blue Tiger"
19:23:42  <Eddi|zuHause> or something like that
19:23:51  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it is one of those
19:26:16  <Bjarni> it could be
19:27:03  <Bjarni> then the question is who decided to use it in Denmark. AFAIK nobody in Denmark owns one of those and it was on the corridor between Germany and Sweden
19:27:10  <MiHaMiX> http://xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu/~miham/tmp/minircfull.avi
19:27:30  <MiHaMiX> Length: 27.788.540 (27M) [video/x-msvideo]
19:28:34  <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... KDE SVN gets confused by the rename of branch to branches :(
19:30:49  <Eddi|zuHause> looks like it is the additional orders patch
19:33:17  <Bjarni> MiHaMiX: I have seen one of those camera wagons in real life
19:34:21  <Bjarni> I don't fancy them except if I got a track layout where it is difficult to access all the tracks (tunnels and stuff), then it could be used to figure out where the problem is and if there is a problem at all :)
19:34:56  <Bjarni> you could also place it in a train you control and make some sort of model MS train sim
19:35:16  <MiHaMiX> Bjarni: hmm :)
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19:36:49  <Eddi|zuHause> MiHaMiX: what about extending WT2 to branches?
19:38:20  <MiHaMiX> Eddi|zuHause: i'm already thinking on it, but it's not quite trivial.. so.. it's postponed until milestone 1.4 or so
19:38:33  <MiHaMiX> Eddi|zuHause: next milestone is 1.1
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19:39:34  <Eddi|zuHause> ok... maybe i should just send a patch for german.txt to richk...
19:40:12  <Eddi|zuHause> what is the easiest way to get a list of all missing strings?
19:40:53  <Bjarni> I forgot how to do it, but strgen can do it
19:41:06  <Bjarni> try strgen/strgen -h to see options
19:42:54  <Eddi|zuHause> that help is not quite as descriptive as it should be...
19:43:28  <glx> TrueLight: pong
19:43:40  <Eddi|zuHause> ok, that worked ;)
19:43:49  <Bjarni> glx: TrueLight is lost
19:43:53  <Bjarni> oh wait
19:44:03  <Bjarni> TrueLight is watching Lost
19:44:12  <TrueLight> glx: do you have MSVC there?
19:44:17  <glx> no only gcc
19:44:23  <TrueLight> k, then nevermind :)
19:44:24  <TrueLight> but tnx ;)
19:44:49  <Bjarni> I thought you watched TV...
19:45:17  <TrueLight> I am still watching
19:46:19  * Sacro has msvc
19:46:59  * Belugas has it to, but... at home hehehe
19:48:16  <Bjarni> http://www.oresunddirekt.dk/news.aspx?type=news&id=45913&lang=1013&year=&month= (Swedish, sorry)<--- hahaha. It says that some Danish people have become island decedents because they are moving to a certain island.... but it also mentions what area they move away from and that (not mentioned) is actually an island as well
19:48:37  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... didn't richk mention a massive economy patch?
19:48:41  <Bjarni> bah
19:48:43  <Bjarni> decedents...
19:48:43  <Eddi|zuHause> i can't seem to find that one
19:48:55  <Bjarni> dammit, that autocorrect thing
19:49:08  <Bjarni> I least I caught it when it first tried to write rednecks
19:49:27  <Bjarni> well, those people live on an island, ok ;)
19:51:30  <Bjarni> I think it's funny that those people decided to move away from the big cities to a more or less countryside with no jobs and the spelling tool decided to call them rednecks :D
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19:58:43  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... it would be nicer if strgen -w actually also outputs the english string
19:58:51  <Eddi|zuHause> so you don't have to look them up
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20:17:44  <Eddi|zuHause> hey, that even worked :)
20:18:23  <peter1138> hi
20:21:16  <Sacro> nywar
20:25:12  <TrueLight> burp
20:27:08  <Brianetta> WOAH!  I just founf autopilot 0.something - the first one written in Expect
20:27:14  <Brianetta> #!/usr/bin/expect
20:27:14  <Brianetta> spawn ./openttd -D
20:27:14  <Brianetta> expect {
20:27:14  <Brianetta>    -ex "\[NET\]" {
20:27:16  <Brianetta>       send "debug_level net=0\n"
20:27:17  <Brianetta>       exp_continue
20:27:20  <Brianetta>    } -re "has joined the game" {
20:27:22  <Brianetta>       send "say \"Welcome to the server.\n"
20:27:26  <Brianetta>       exp_continue
20:27:28  <Brianetta>    }
20:27:30  <Brianetta> }
20:27:32  <Brianetta> How cool is that?
20:27:37  <Brianetta> It didn't even let you type in commands
20:28:00  <Brianetta> and as soon as somebody joined the game, it greeted them - then quit!
20:28:19  <Brianetta> Ah, memories
20:28:24  <Sacro> Brianetta: sweet :)
20:28:49  <Brianetta> The next one involved putting that expect block in a while true
20:29:00  <Sacro> R1?
20:29:08  <Brianetta> R?
20:29:09  <Sacro> its like having your own personal SVN :)
20:29:19  <Sacro> Revision
20:29:19  <Brianetta> No, that was about 20
20:29:28  <Brianetta> 1 - 19 were in other languages
20:29:32  <Brianetta> principally bash
20:29:52  <Brianetta> I tried it with FIFOs and everything
20:29:57  <peter1138> heh
20:30:00  <Brianetta> Expect came to the rescue
20:30:23  <Sacro> never used it
20:30:35  <Brianetta> It's a Tcl package
20:30:51  <Brianetta> It provides an interpreter, /usr/bin/expect, but it's basically a Tcl superset
20:31:05  <Brianetta> I invoke autopilot 2.0 with Tcl, and load in Expect
20:31:19  <Brianetta> Same effect, more portable
20:31:46  <TrueLight> night all
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20:47:43  <Bjarni> so much for a release ASAP
20:47:55  <Bjarni> did we ever figure out what to do about windows binaries?
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20:51:38  <Bjarni> http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/private/freight/BTE/EC1B1421-17D8-44E9-879F-B3A866DAB9B5.jpg <-- I guess they did that paintjob just in case they want to hide the engine in the fields
20:54:18  <glx> nice lo-cow-motive :)
20:55:07  <hylje> idd
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20:57:07  <peter1138> Bjarni: yeah, ignore them :)
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21:00:41  <Eddi|zuHause> hm... need a proper translation for 'roughness'
21:01:06  <Belugas> unshaved
21:01:07  <Eddi|zuHause> 'Rauhheit', while being an exact translation, sounds really unfitting
21:01:43  <Eddi|zuHause> well... in the context of terragenesis, unshaved is also unfitting ;)
21:03:48  <Belugas> hehehe
21:04:07  <Belugas> just letting out my stress ;)
21:09:00  <Bjarni> Belugas: luckily Eddi|zuHause is not a bot, otherwise he might have looked unshaved up and found a word for a man, who haven't shaved for days :P
21:09:16  <Bjarni> and used that word without any questions
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21:12:03  <Bjarni> it reminds me of a story about what happened during an English exam. Somebody had to translate the sentence "a man walks down the street" or something like that, but having a braindead moment, he had to look up walking and reads the first word the dictionary says, so the sentence ended up being "a man go down a street"
21:15:01  *** mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
21:21:18  <peter1138> pdpc supporter
21:21:21  <peter1138> hurr hurr
21:23:07  <Sacro> wtf is gnustep
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21:26:35  <peter1138> rubbish
21:29:18  <Sacro> i wanna play oolite :(
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21:46:53  <peter1138> oolite?
21:47:02  <Sacro> yep
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21:47:06  <peter1138> wosat?
21:47:16  <Sacro> elite, open source
21:47:56  <hylje> whats elite
21:48:12  <Sacro> :O  SACROLIDGE
21:49:09  <kbrooks> any list of cheating tricks (not ctrl+alt+c) that anyone could easily do
21:49:38  <Born_Acorn> Sacrolidge is like Sacrylij! But not!
21:49:55  <kbrooks> trivially, without any previous knowledge of how <things> function
21:50:19  <kbrooks> i'm just curious
21:50:45  <Sacro> Born_Acorn: eh?
21:50:49  <hylje> eh.
21:50:56  <kbrooks> ANSWER?
21:51:10  <Sacro> eh?
21:51:14  <kbrooks> what?
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21:52:27  <Wolf01> 'night all
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21:52:53  <Born_Acorn> Who?
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21:56:23  <kbrooks> question
21:56:41  <kbrooks> whast is industry stealing
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21:59:42  <peter1138> usually a complaint of players who don't like competition
22:01:02  <kbrooks> lol
22:01:48  <Zavior> Thats why you buy 10x10 squares around the industrY!
22:01:50  <Zavior> ;BD
22:02:14  <hylje> thats lame
22:02:26  <hylje> then the other player buys a airport there
22:03:45  <Belugas> time to go home, at last :)
22:03:48  *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone
22:04:02  <Belugas_Gone> have a nice weekend all
22:04:43  *** coppercore [n=copperco@dpc691920121.direcpc.com] has joined #openttd
22:07:49  <kbrooks> Please join the AllWelcome server. Everyone is welcome!
22:08:02  <kbrooks> No rules, at least for now
22:09:34  <Sacro> no rules?
22:09:49  <kbrooks> well, there might have to be some :-)
22:10:13  <kbrooks> anticompetition tatics - don't!
22:10:15  <Sacro> :( awww
22:10:23  <Sacro> i like being evil
22:10:42  <kbrooks> well, im fine, im the only player there
22:10:46  <GoneWacko> Play evil genius a lot do you
22:10:50  <kbrooks> others wont
22:11:00  <kbrooks> Sacro: join in?
22:11:19  <kbrooks> ip..
22:11:30  <kbrooks> 24.235.163.98
22:11:38  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... is it me or is the configuration of PBS auto placement gone?
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22:12:47  <kbrooks> Sacro: please join in :'(
22:13:06  <kbrooks> im bored, dont wanna play by myself
22:14:17  <kbrooks> :(
22:14:21  <hylje> what game
22:14:25  <hylje> trunk?
22:14:38  <Sacro> hylje: openttd i belive
22:14:39  <kbrooks> 0.4.7
22:14:41  <kbrooks> :-)
22:15:29  <kbrooks> brb. i'll use a dedicated server
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22:20:26  <kbrooks> Does anyone want to play with me?
22:21:13  <Sacro> :O
22:21:34  * Sacro is worried
22:21:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... i don't understand some things... what is the difference between improved loading and fifo loading?
22:21:58  <Eddi|zuHause2> and why have two?
22:22:18  <kbrooks> Sacro: what?
22:22:44  <Sacro> [23:20] <kbrooks> Does anyone want to play with me?
22:22:57  <kbrooks> Sacro: i hate playing by myself :(
22:23:15  <Sacro> NOOOOOOOOOOOO :|
22:23:21  <kbrooks> heh
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22:27:30  <MeusH> hello!
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22:34:06  <Sacro> hmm, anyone up to date with laptop processors, im curious as to the difference between the AMD Turion and the Intel Centrino Core Duo
22:34:54  <Bjarni> I don't know the AMD one
22:35:09  <Sacro> hmm, and the AMD64 X2
22:35:21  <tank_> afaik the intels are still better if you think about uptime
22:35:44  <tank_> and i think most amd-notebooks are cheap and don't have quality
22:36:06  <tank_> but there should be enough reviews online which compare amd and intel notebooks
22:36:12  <Bjarni> AFAIK the intels should be the best when you consider power usage (battery life)
22:36:24  <Bjarni> yeah
22:36:27  <Bjarni> ask google
22:36:58  <Sacro> tank_: i cant find any comparisons
22:37:18  <Bjarni> do you really want us to do it for you?
22:37:52  <MeusH> AMDs are good and nice as long as it isn't too hot
22:38:05  <MeusH> but that's about typical processors, not the laptop ones
22:38:19  <MeusH> I'm happy with my AMD, but again, I don't have a laptop
22:38:22  <Sacro> MeusH: my laptop has a desktop p4 2.4GHz CPU, it runs around 65-70
22:38:33  <MeusH> however, recently Intel started making better and cheaper procs
22:39:09  <MeusH> my comp has 3 years, and 3 years ago Intel was expensive and AMD was just making good stuff
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22:39:13  <MeusH> I heard now it changed
22:40:02  <Sacro> i dont think Intel do 64 bit yet
22:41:55  <Bjarni> a proper 32 bit CPU can run just as fast as a 64 bit one. The bit size is more a memory allocation thing than a speed thing
22:42:15  <Bjarni> a G5 don't gain speed by running in 64 bit mode compared to 32 bit mode
22:43:13  <Bjarni> however some x86 do have some register limitations, that slowed them down and that showed 64 bit CPUs to be faster
22:43:45  <Sacro> Bjarni: but i dont want to run out of numbers...
22:44:04  <Bjarni> you want more than 4 Gb RAM in a notebook?
22:45:11  <Sacro> Bjarni: err...it'd be nifty
22:45:19  <Sacro> i could install Linux to ram
22:46:11  <MeusH> well you can get the newest 750 gig Seagate and make it a virtual ram...
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22:46:46  <Bjarni> that would need a 64 bit CPU though
22:46:57  <Bjarni> hmm
22:47:01  <Sacro> MeusH: 750GB swap?
22:47:48  <MeusH> yes :P
22:48:13  <MeusH> it's worth!
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22:48:51  <MeusH> you will be able to play 1048576x524288 game of OpenTTD
22:48:55  <Sacro> this laptop is lagging, running just GNOME, X-Chat, Terminal compiling OpenTTD, Audacios, and firefox
22:49:14  <Sacro> MeusH: but i'd need a wider touchpad to scroll
22:49:37  <MeusH> I don't like touchpad
22:49:44  <MeusH> I'd buy a mouse
22:49:51  <MeusH> the problem are USB slots
22:50:16  <MeusH> if you want a mouse, printer, webcam and teacup heater
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22:51:00  <Sacro> MeusH: i have a usb mouse currently, i dont print, i dont like being watched, and it runs at 70 degrees
22:51:25  <MeusH> good boy :)
22:52:08  <MeusH> is it possible to connect laptop to some kind of other display device?
22:52:17  <MeusH> like using the eurojack?
22:52:32  <Sacro> mine has VGA out, and RCA
22:52:38  <MeusH> I thought about TV, PC screen, or a wall display?
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22:53:58  <Sacro> all 3
22:54:49  <Sacro> hmm, AMD TurionX2 is better for games
22:55:18  <Eddi|zuHause2> '{BLACK}Random Seed:        {WHITE}{NUM}' <- somone should probably slap RichK for that...
22:56:33  <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd say that line is definitely a trunk showstopper ;)
22:57:41  <MeusH> why?
22:57:43  <MeusH> {SILVER}Inauguration:  {WHITE}{NUM}
22:57:55  <MeusH> this one comes from english.txt
22:57:59  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's the spaces!
22:58:21  <MeusH> ohh I see
22:58:52  <Eddi|zuHause2> it does alignment with spaces... with possibly variable fonts in the future that is definitely a bad idea
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23:00:03  <Bjarni> yeah
23:00:12  <Eddi|zuHause2> also, it is a nightmare when translated strings do not have the same length
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23:00:52  <Bjarni> most often translated strings got different lengths
23:01:17  <Bjarni> except if it is something simple "{BLACK}Bus"
23:01:34  <Bjarni> +like
23:01:43  <Eddi|zuHause2> which is exactly my point :p
23:02:14  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... what exactly is noise seed?
23:02:40  <Eddi|zuHause2> where is that used?
23:02:54  <Eddi|zuHause2> probably scengen
23:03:19  <Sacro> TGP
23:03:30  <Bjarni> noise seed... sounds like a random seed to generate random background sounds :p
23:04:15  <MeusH> maybye it creates terrain roughness?
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23:04:28  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... no... really... where is that used?
23:04:38  <Sacro> MeusH gets a point
23:06:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> but i see no occurence of that string ingame...
23:06:54  <MeusH> hail debug language
23:06:59  <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: http://ottd.rkhosting.co.uk/screenshot6.png <-- here
23:07:03  <MeusH> (and it's creator, aka /me)
23:07:18  * Sacro ?
23:07:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> "its"
23:07:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> not "it's"
23:07:29  <MeusH> sorry
23:07:42  <MeusH> I usually put ' in inproper places
23:08:06  <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: that is random seed, not noise seed
23:08:32  <glx> it's the same
23:11:36  <Eddi|zuHause2> ah... found it
23:11:49  <Eddi|zuHause2> it's the caption of the input window, when you click on the random seed
23:11:58  <glx> yes
23:13:48  <Eddi|zuHause2> the naming is a little inconsistent
23:14:10  <glx> but I don't see why he didn't used 2 strings for '{BLACK}Random Seed:        {WHITE}{NUM}'
23:14:59  <MeusH> do you know how many strings do we have to display nothing?
23:16:11  <glx> he could use STR_7010 ({WHITE}{NUM})
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23:17:29  <glx> MeusH: what do you mean by "display nothing" ?
23:17:42  <MeusH> empty strings
23:17:44  <MeusH> spaces
23:17:54  <MeusH> nothing visible
23:22:15  <glx> hmm 13 empty strings
23:24:40  <MeusH> TTD legacy
23:25:02  <MeusH> and how many Chinese satelites are watching you right now?
23:25:04  <MeusH> also 13
23:25:25  <[Shaman]> how many chinese spies are hidden under your chair right now?
23:25:26  <[Shaman]> also 13
23:25:28  <MeusH> how many Pharaohs were not archipriests?
23:25:28  <MeusH> 13
23:26:08  <MeusH> how many trucks went through road 13 at 13 o'clock?
23:26:08  <MeusH> 13
23:26:55  <Born_Acorn> How many times did they say 13?
23:26:57  <Born_Acorn> 11.
23:27:56  <MeusH> orly?
23:27:56  <MeusH> 7
23:28:07  <MeusH> and 13 is 7*2-1
23:28:19  <MeusH> 2+1 is 3
23:28:24  <MeusH> 10+2+1 is 13
23:28:33  <MeusH> 13/1=13
23:28:37  <MeusH> 13/13=1
23:28:47  <MeusH> 13*13=169
23:31:25  <Eddi|zuHause2> and 14*14 is 196, so what?
23:35:39  <MeusH> nothing
23:35:47  <MeusH> gn
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23:37:27  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... apparently... 'rauh' has changed into 'rau' with the new spelling...
23:39:47  <Eddi|zuHause2> if richk comes along, point him to www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/german.miniin.diff
23:44:43  <Bjarni> I'm sure we will forget to mention that to him :P
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