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00:00:06 <mikk36|lap> like in web 00:00:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:00:36 <Bjarni> good idea 00:00:40 <Bjarni> write a feature request 00:01:30 <Bjarni> hehe, just started the game to test this and I went wtf, trains are hitting each other in the main menu, nearly all of them and then I realised that it was due to the really unsafe train control patch I applied 00:01:40 <Bjarni> I was about to wonder what broke 00:02:19 <mikk36|lap> ??? 00:02:39 <Bjarni> I had a patch applied, that made the trains pass red signals 00:02:44 <Bjarni> and I forgot :P 00:03:17 <mikk36|lap> lol 00:04:25 <Smoovious> ib 00:04:32 * Bjarni wonders how weird Smoovious will be when he returns 00:04:49 <Bjarni> weird enough to make odd sounds 00:04:55 * Smoovious shakes his head. 00:04:59 <Smoovious> just a cigarette 00:05:33 <Bjarni> so it didn't make you weird? 00:05:37 <Bjarni> only selfish? 00:05:50 <Smoovious> selfish? 00:06:41 <Bjarni> here smoking people tend to violate non-smoking areas and other stuff that bothers people, so it's rumoured that cigarettes contains something that makes people selfish 00:06:56 <Bjarni> either that or it's not random who decides to smoke 00:06:58 <Smoovious> nah, they're just inconsiderate to begin with 00:06:58 <Bjarni> or both 00:08:29 <Bjarni> I mean at the station, it's not possible to be in the waiting room if your health doesn't agree with smoke because they (now that's clever) added glass walls where the wind used to replace the air, so now it's always air with smoke even when nobody is in there 00:08:38 <Bjarni> and it's a no smoking area 00:08:49 <Smoovious> lovely 00:09:46 <Smoovious> there are some locales here in the states that actually made illegal to smoke a cigarette outside... 00:10:30 <Smoovious> like, they're breathing in all of this car exhaused on a daily basis and everything, and they're going off the deep end about a cigarette? outside?! 00:10:42 <Bjarni> but I do wonder what makes me ill in tobacco smoke (seriously ill. If I'm somewhere where people smoke, I end up in bed for days). It's not smoke in general, just tobacco smoke 00:10:46 <Smoovious> some things just keep growing out of control... 00:10:54 <Bjarni> I got no problems with smoke from wood or coal 00:11:10 <Smoovious> well, maybe you have allergies to it... my mom does... 00:11:36 <Bjarni> yet you smoke??? 00:11:43 <glx> he goes outside :) 00:11:50 <Bjarni> that's illegal :P 00:11:52 <Smoovious> could be some of the additives too... 00:11:58 <Smoovious> not illegal here 00:12:44 <Smoovious> but even if it was, I'd be willing to make a test case of myself... sitting on my own porch, outside, on my own property, having a cigarette... 00:13:28 <Bjarni> I think it's funny that the tobacco smoke that was actually sold for being purifying once (ok, that was a long time ago) is more dangerous to me than coal smoke, which has been dangerous all the time 00:13:47 * Smoovious nods. 00:14:05 <Smoovious> and something similar with cocaine and other substances too 00:14:25 <Smoovious> unless I'm getting a buzz off of a bottle of Coke, it isn't "the real thing" 00:14:26 <Smoovious> :P 00:14:35 <Bjarni> ok, there was this particular shipment of coal, that was really bad for my throat, but I think it was like that for everybody. High sulfur levels or something 00:14:53 <glx> very irritating 00:16:12 <Bjarni> you know, modern powerplants are designed for a particular type of coal and they get more than one type of coal and analyse it to figure out how to mix the coal dust to make it just right 00:16:31 <Bjarni> in order to get high efficiency 00:16:58 <Bjarni> all of a sudden getting coal with way higher sulfur levels or some other abnormality would really hurt that 00:17:09 <Smoovious> yeah... and so they don't overload the air cleaners too 00:17:56 <Bjarni> also burning sulfur creates acid rain, so unless you pick it up in the chimney, it's bad in more than one way 00:18:00 <Smoovious> used to have to run a train crew out to one of the coal power plants every few weeks... and the old crew back... 00:18:23 <Smoovious> they let me check out the place while I was there... very very dirty... 00:18:51 <Smoovious> its insane how much coal they gotta burn each week to keep it going 00:18:54 <Bjarni> we don't have dirty powerplants even though we mainly use coal 00:19:19 <Bjarni> it's possible (but rare) to make coal powered powerplants clean 00:19:25 <Smoovious> well, I'm thinking more from the coal dust than from the exhaust 00:19:51 <Bjarni> you got a poor system if you got coal dust everywhere 00:20:05 <Smoovious> outside, before the coal even makes it into the plant yet 00:20:39 <Bjarni> you should get big pieces of coal and add them to some sort of machine and not break it into dust before it's inside a closed system 00:21:01 <Smoovious> the plant has been there at least 40 years... it has been modernized, but ya still get a build-up outside a bit where the trains feed it 00:21:14 <Bjarni> the little amount of dust you will get outside this way can be washed away. Coal from mines are so compressed that water can't get into it and you can wash it if you like 00:21:21 <Bjarni> unlike coal you make out of wood 00:22:08 <Smoovious> I don't know the specifics, but it is what I would have expected... at a sawmill, you'd expect to have a lot of wood dust and bits and pieces all over where they load and unload... same with gravel, metal recycling, etc 00:23:22 <Bjarni> well it is possible to beat that problem if you want 00:23:33 <Bjarni> it's not cheap though 00:24:31 <Smoovious> yeah, but it usually isn't worth it... you usually will have a small amount spill over onto the ground, and it isn't worth hunting ever little piece all the time... but after a few decades of that... .. . 00:24:53 <Smoovious> like a small piece of coal bouncing off of something and not making it into the hopper 00:24:54 <Bjarni> you know, when they tried to build steam electric locomotives, most of them died on short circuiting due to getting coal dust everywhere 00:25:07 <Smoovious> doesn't suprise me 00:25:09 <Bjarni> or leaky boilers on top of the electric engines 00:25:15 <Bjarni> most of them got both 00:26:11 <Smoovious> I've only seen 1 steam engine operating up close... when I was a kid, and they were running an exhibition train through our city... was pretty massive... 00:26:54 <Smoovious> I wanna say it was a 2-6-6-2, but I don't really know... at that age, wheelsets weren't that important to me. :) 00:27:04 <Bjarni> steam locomotives in USA got pretty big 00:27:08 <mikk36|lap> hmm 00:27:08 <Smoovious> ya 00:27:11 <mikk36|lap> bug 00:27:33 <mikk36|lap> after building city stations style station 00:27:37 <mikk36|lap> i built some road 00:27:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:27:44 <mikk36|lap> now opened station building again 00:27:55 <mikk36|lap> and i have no building listed under City Stations 00:28:09 <mikk36|lap> using grf's from openttdcoop 00:28:33 <Bjarni> you got enormous and really hungry locomotives and they peaked around WWII where locomotives like big boy used a ton/mile (or was it two miles) and we really lacked all kinds of fuel in Europe, so we got the freight and passengers but not all the fuel needed to move the trains 00:28:41 <mikk36|lap> selecting another style and then back to city stations brought list back 00:29:07 <Bjarni> mikk36|lap: write a bug report 00:29:34 <Bjarni> 2-6-6-2 is pretty big 00:29:43 <Smoovious> we also had a lot more distance to cover too 00:29:51 <Bjarni> the biggest that I have seen in real life is just 4-6-2 00:30:00 <Smoovious> without a lot of cities in between 00:30:33 <Bjarni> you also got mountains. Europe put up catenary in the mountains really early 00:30:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82FBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:30:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 00:30:51 <Smoovious> ya 00:31:52 <Bjarni> Sweden beat USA in getting the first electric line (by some months) and ever since USA have tried to reduce that railroad line to a tram and not a real railroad 00:31:53 <Smoovious> ended up having a lot of varied models of steam... and a lot of em ran on wood instead, cuz it was easier to get a hold of... run low on fuel? stop somewhere, and send out a few guys with axes 00:32:18 <Smoovious> USA really needs to do more with their rail, true... 00:32:41 <Smoovious> Amtrak could have done so much more if Congress would just stop trying to choke the life out of it 00:33:12 <Bjarni> that's actually a problem to get enough dry wood. You will get really poor efficiency (and pollute a lot more) if you don't dry your wood say a year or so 00:33:40 <Smoovious> yeah, but at the time, we didn't have a lot of choices available... 00:33:57 <Smoovious> and the EPA wasn't that much of a big deal then. :D 00:34:13 <Bjarni> "In the future, everybody will have a car, so we should close the railroads as they are too expensive and not needed anymore" 00:34:30 <Bjarni> that's the rule on railroad policy in the 60s 00:34:46 <Naksu> what! 00:34:50 <Naksu> usa has trains? 00:34:52 <Bjarni> 2/3 of all railroads here died 00:35:10 <Bjarni> well, not at this specific location, but in the country 00:35:29 <Bjarni> at this specific location, the need was (and is) way too big for closure 00:35:52 <Bjarni> it would be totally unrealistic to close them 00:35:56 <Smoovious> yeah... and the priority is still on trucking... not suprising either, considering the trucking industry's unions are more powerful than the rail industry's 00:36:23 <glx> here we are trying to put trucks on trains 00:36:45 <Smoovious> so with so much more going to trucking, now we have even more pollution problems, and safety with all the trucks on the roads... 00:37:02 <Smoovious> we used to have an intermodal place set up here... that got closed about 20 years ago 00:37:11 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB759C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 00:37:25 <Smoovious> well, dunno if you'd call it strictly intermodal... the type with trailer-carriers 00:37:29 <Naksu> http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF189-Keep_on_Truckin.png#180 00:38:08 <Bjarni> when the news here started to talk about the trucking union in USA and how they boycotted MAERSK, I started to wonder if they are controlled by the mafia. It sounded a lot like the NY incident where the mafia took control of a union and used it to kill all competition so there were really only one choice if you should replace windows and that was to use a company owned by the mafia 00:38:22 <Smoovious> they're going to have to increase commuter rail again, and soon... there's only so much more many of our airports can expand... and forget about trying to open a new one now 00:40:04 <Smoovious> and now with all of the inspections, you gotta get to the airport about 2 hours ahead of your flight if you want to count on making your flight? rediculous... figure in all of that lag time, baggage claim, lines for the counters, weather delays, traffic delays, etc... a trip can sometimes end up being faster on rail 00:40:41 <Bjarni> there are some upset people here because an airport got permission to expand because "no objections from the public showed up" and thousands stood up and said "I objected" and things just went downhill from there 00:40:55 <Bjarni> they are collecting signatures and so on now (at least I think so) 00:41:11 <Smoovious> yep... that kind of politics sounds familiar 00:41:32 <Bjarni> threatening with court since they didn't follow the law and discarded objections 00:41:41 <Smoovious> very familiar 00:42:33 <Smoovious> there was a big deal recently about "eminent domain" here... a city took a bunch of property (high priced property even) away from a bunch of homeowners, and turned around and gave it to a private company "for the public good" which SO isn't what eminent domain is for... 00:42:39 <Bjarni> and the people, who got the permission says "we don't plan to use it to send more or bigger planes, we just want to spend millions to make it possible, not actually use it" (like anybody believe that) 00:43:44 <Smoovious> wow... that ranks right up there with this politician, who made a campaign promise to fight to give everyone an above-average income... (he got elected, btw... which is also scary) 00:44:27 <Bjarni> how can everybody be raised to be higher than average? 00:44:40 <Bjarni> wouldn't that just move the average :P 00:44:47 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 00:45:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:46:13 <Smoovious> yeah... but the majority of our population are too stupid to realize that 00:47:11 <Bjarni> some years ago we had a guy, who decided to run for (well, you would call it congress) and to make fun of everybody making promises that they can't keep, so he said that he would build a cathedral in the middle of nowhere, everybody would get wind in the right direction when they ride on bicycles and stuff like that 00:47:14 <Bjarni> he got elected 00:47:43 <Bjarni> most likely the most amazed person when that was made public was himself 00:47:58 <Naksu> Bjarni: the sad thing is 00:48:09 <Naksu> people would rather elect someone they know is incompetent than take chances 00:48:23 <Naksu> altho, at least someone like that isnt funding crime :) 00:48:35 <Bjarni> like most politicians, he failed to do as promised, so we still get wind in the wrong direction :( 00:50:06 * Smoovious chuckles. 00:51:16 <Bjarni> well, at least we got a somewhat good government right now 00:51:55 <Smoovious> our state just passed by public referendum, a law to do away with Affirmative Action... so everyone would be considered on their abilities instead of race-based modifiers... and it is being challenged in court as being racist... 00:52:23 <Smoovious> to me, that is kind of a bad message... 00:53:28 <Smoovious> they're basically challenging it, because they believe they aren't equal, and need to be helped... which kind of goes counter to the groups aim of equality... makes no sense, but they just can't see it no matter how much someone points it out 00:53:51 <Smoovious> like, do you really want to succeed because you're black, or do you want to succeed because you know your shit? 00:55:15 <Bjarni> the news made a big deal about a possible future law on the Faeroes Isles about protecting gay people and showed an example about a gay man, who was beaten because he was gay and I just wondered "that's illegal right now. Why would that need a special law to make it more criminal to beat a gay person than a strait person... isn't that kind of discrimination", but now they passed it because some people viewed it as discrimination not 00:55:15 <Bjarni> to pass it 00:55:48 <Bjarni> but it's not unlikely that it might be recalled after next election 00:56:12 <Smoovious> well, I could see that... here, a hate-crime is considered worse than a similar crime for a different reason 00:56:51 <Bjarni> this is not hate-crime as hate-crime. It's only about gay people 00:57:19 <Smoovious> first time I was ever truly ashamed of our government was when a state constitutional amendment was passed, specifically forbidding same-sex couples from being able to join their households... land of the free, liberty, equality, my ass 00:57:49 <Bjarni> and the people, who wanted to pass it talked about the "lawlessness of the current situation where gay people can be crippled and the law is not against it" (totally wrong) 00:57:50 <Smoovious> here, that would be considered a hate-crime... just adding sexual orientation to the list of what counts as a hate-crime 00:58:20 <Smoovious> the law is against it... it is just the people running the law system don't enforce it and don't give a shit about it 01:00:01 *** Wolfenstiejn [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 01:00:01 *** Wolfy [~wolf@h33083.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:43 <Smoovious> personally, I believe that if two people want to join households and become family, it is nobody else's business... it doesn't matter if they are in love with each other, have sex with each other, children, etc... say I had a best friend, and we've been best friends since we were kids, so much so we think of each other as brothers... and we're both straight... what's wrong with joining our households and becoming brothers? 01:00:56 <Bjarni> allowing same sex marriages is a big mistake on it's own. Marriage is about making a stable and good foundation to get children and get them to grow up in stability. According to biology, that's not needed with people of the same sex 01:01:09 <Smoovious> why should our government even be taking a position for and against it? they're supposed to be there for us, not the other way around 01:01:20 <Smoovious> no... marriage is about joining households 01:01:39 <Smoovious> biology doesn't need marriage 01:02:20 <Smoovious> note I'm not saying marriage... 01:02:42 <glx> just something similar about rights 01:02:51 <Smoovious> right 01:03:16 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-40-21.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 01:03:22 <Bjarni> also the number of homosexuals have exploded, possibly because now children are bombarded with remarks that they should not be afraid of admitting it and so on and it's actually hard to grow up and developing sexuality 01:03:30 <Smoovious> regardless of the relationship, there should be some avenue to join households, with the rights of family along with it... 01:03:57 <Bjarni> might confuse some of them into stuff they would not have done otherwise 01:04:06 <Smoovious> I don't think homosexuality exploded so much, they're just much more visible now... not as many staying in hiding out of fear... 01:04:41 <Smoovious> nah, a person knows who they're attracted to early on... it isn't something you can convince someone of... either they're attracted to someone or they're not 01:05:07 <Naksu> 03:00 <@Bjarni> allowing same sex marriages is a big mistake on it's own. Marriage is about making a stable and good foundation to get children and get them to grow up in stability. According to biology, that's not needed with people of the same sex 01:05:11 <Naksu> i disagree with that 01:05:14 <Smoovious> what they learn is if they should hide or be themselves 01:05:21 <Naksu> marriage is about nothing 01:05:53 <Smoovious> marriage has more to do with the churches than anything else 01:06:01 <Bjarni> you can actually convince people to believe anything. You can even convince people that they are dying and they can die from that believe because the will to life dies 01:06:39 <Bjarni> Smoovious: when you say joining households, do you mean like living together or some financial thing as well? 01:06:46 <Smoovious> you can't make someone believe they are attracted to someone they aren't, and vice versa... they know who they're attracted to... your dying analogy is flawed 01:07:01 <Smoovious> by joining households, I mean becoming family... 01:07:25 <Bjarni> so joining household is kind of like getting married, right= 01:07:28 <Bjarni> ? 01:07:50 <Bjarni> I wouldn't get like that with my brother, even if we decided to live together 01:07:58 <Smoovious> now if that family means becoming siblings, spouses, parent/child, or whatever relationship they choose, what joining households would mean is that people who weren't family before, are now family, and all of the rights that come with it 01:09:09 <Smoovious> that's fine for you... but because you feel that way, is not a good enough reason to bar other people who feel differently... not in a free society 01:09:30 <Bjarni> becoming family would to me be like getting married, nomatter what else you say 01:09:42 <Smoovious> no it wouldn't 01:10:09 <Smoovious> being married, only has to do with spouses... just like being adopted, only has to do with parent/child relationships 01:10:47 <Smoovious> please don't make me get all geeky and bring in a Star Trek analogy. :D 01:11:03 <Bjarni> hey, that would be cool 01:11:08 <Smoovious> alright 01:11:26 <Bjarni> I wonder what Kirk would say to living together with a man :P 01:11:30 <Smoovious> at one point in Star Trek, Worf joined Martog's household... as family, with all of the rights that came with it... 01:11:47 <Bjarni> I know 01:12:04 <Bjarni> I think of it as adoption as it left his own house 01:12:08 <Smoovious> they loved each other as brothers, and as family... not because they wanted to have hot, steamy, violent sex with each other... and had nothing to do with marriage 01:13:14 * Bjarni fails to see how two klingon males would survive hot steamy sex, but that's another story 01:13:26 <Bjarni> they aren't that gentle :P 01:13:31 <Smoovious> that I would prefer to leave as an exercise of the imagination 01:13:42 <Smoovious> besides... I can't really picture a Klingon who's 'flaming' 01:13:51 <Naksu> aren't they all? 01:13:56 * Smoovious tries picturing Ru Paul as a Klingon 01:14:10 <Sacro__> k'plah 01:14:17 <Naksu> oh cool 01:14:22 <Naksu> generic news! 01:14:33 <Naksu> "muslim alienation risk in europe" @ bbc rss 01:14:41 <Naksu> that's like 01:14:45 <Naksu> "unrest in middle east" 01:15:10 <Bjarni> I saw something about that report. If it's like what the usually say, then it's complete bullshit 01:15:33 <Naksu> bullshit? 01:15:59 <Naksu> i thought it was too obvious :) 01:16:15 <Smoovious> anyways... I have no problem with 3 people wanting to join their households into 1 either... it isn't the government's business to tell people how to live their lives... if what I do, doesn't interfere with the rights of someone else to do what they want to do, what's the problem? the whole argument about only allowing males and females to marry each other, comes from religion... there is no requirement that said male and female h 01:16:25 <Bjarni> I mean at one time they said that Denmark were cruel to non-Danes based on interviews with 20 anonymous people, so it completely lacked any documentation 01:17:34 <Bjarni> like they reported a (non-documented) incident where the police were too hard on somebody... and didn't mention why the police wanted that guy and such info would not be given 01:17:47 <Smoovious> well, maybe if more Muslims would practice active denouncement instead of passive acceptance of the things the radical groups are doing in their name, relations between muslims and non-muslims might be better 01:18:11 <Naksu> Smoovious: you could say the same of any group of people really 01:18:18 <Smoovious> and I do 01:18:48 <Smoovious> but today, it is the muslim community at the top of the hit-list... .. . .. ...so to speak... .. . 01:19:02 <Bjarni> <Naksu> i thought it was too obvious :) <-- if you read it, it's likely based on nothing and gives conclusion that you are cruel and should be punished 01:19:07 <Naksu> "maybe if non-muslims would practice active denouncemend instead of passive acceptance of the things the racist groups are doing in their name, relations between muslims and non-muslims might be better" 01:19:20 <Bjarni> those EU reports about such issues are worth nothing 01:20:13 <Smoovious> we make no secret that our beef is with the terrorist groups... and not with Muslims in general... but people don't want to hear that... 01:20:38 <Bjarni> this time I think it's about the fact that we are not giving them jobs even though they don't want them and they don't know the local language so communication is impossible 01:20:51 <Bjarni> they really do blame us for that once in a while o_O 01:21:08 <Smoovious> yeah, same thing happens here with blacks... 01:21:52 <Smoovious> of course it can't be because they aren't qualified for the job, and can't write legibly, or communicate professionally... it always has to be because they're black... 01:22:02 <Naksu> actually it's about how they're reverting back to belonging to their <whatever a community of muslims is called> rather than the town or some more general community 01:22:07 <Bjarni> some black people are too stupid to handle a normal job, but the same can be said for some white people 01:22:31 <Smoovious> and the ones you always hear about, fit the stereotype... completely ignoring all of the 'blacks' that work damned hard and made something of themselves, just like anybody from any other ethnic group... 01:22:39 <Bjarni> but it's more likely to be called racist if you talk about a certain black person in such a case 01:22:43 <Smoovious> like they're owed something 01:23:14 <Smoovious> yeah... 01:23:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp83-237-100-109.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24:01 <Smoovious> hate to break it to them, but none of them were slaves... all of them have the same rights and opportunities as everyone else... and if they aren't making it... it is their own damned fault for not doing what they have to do to get what they want 01:24:22 <Smoovious> they made their own choices 01:24:31 <Smoovious> same as I did, and same as anyone else 01:24:42 <Smoovious> I don't owe them a damned thing 01:25:25 <Bjarni> I recall the case where 4 white cops shot a black guy in some bad neighbourhood in NY and the court stated that he was ok because he was acting like he got a gun even though he didn't. Then the media started about a white jury allowed white cops to kill unarmed black people and they totally forgot that not only the 8 white people, but also the 4 black people in the jury agreed that the cops could have done nothing else or they riske 01:25:31 <Bjarni> d getting killed 01:25:34 <Smoovious> (well, I owe George a , but that's only cuz I needed gas money a couple weeks ago... but that's the only 'black' I owe! :P ) 01:26:35 <Bjarni> be careful. You owe money to a black guy. You risk all his brothers shows up and beat you for not paying on time :P 01:26:47 <Smoovious> nah, he's a stand-up guy... 01:26:58 <Bjarni> I was joking 01:27:01 <Smoovious> probably the only person I'm still friends with from back in the day 01:27:33 <Smoovious> he doesn't think of himself as a black man... thinks of himself as a man 01:27:54 <Naksu> well, finland doesnt really have a problem with blacks or muslims 01:28:13 <Bjarni> at least not yet 01:28:38 <Naksu> well, i'd say that the ones that are here are not being actively discriminated upon 01:29:08 <Naksu> unlike the roma 01:29:23 <Smoovious> that's a good thing too... our society tho, resists change too much... causes all sorts of problems... 01:29:32 <Naksu> who are mostly not allowed to enter certain establishments 01:29:38 <Smoovious> too few "the world is what you make it" types... 01:29:59 <Bjarni> I remember a complain about racism. A baker needed one (notice ONE) person to sell bread and got 8 people for interviews and he told all 8 of them that they were 8 and only needed one, so they could not be sure to get it. One person didn't get it and then she proclaimed that it was because he was a racist.... then what about the 6 other people, who failed to get the job as well? 01:30:21 <Bjarni> also "lack of positive attitude" might have killed her chances 01:30:44 <Smoovious> yeah 01:31:04 <Naksu> certain establishments being pretty much any place with alcohol serving rights 01:31:09 <Smoovious> I know calling my prospective boss a racist really goes well duringthe interview process... they really like that... 01:31:11 <Naksu> or small shops 01:32:13 <Smoovious> I actually had one femme tell me, when I said she was a racist, "I can't be a racist because I'm black!", as if that explained everything... I countered, "That remark in itself, is racist..." ... she never got it 01:32:44 <Bjarni> well, we got some Roma here and most (not all) keep them to themselves and are nothing but clients for social security and problems (like crime). They try to keep their children away from schools and stuff 01:33:20 <Smoovious> I was hoping I'd follow the reference in context as it kept coming up, but I'm failing at it... what is "Roma" referring to? 01:33:31 <Naksu> Bjarni: same here really. the problem with restaurants is that when they let roma in someone eventually gets stabbed to death 01:33:42 <Naksu> Smoovious: i think you could call them gypsies 01:33:44 <Bjarni> Smoovious: yeah, people think it only goes one way. It's "you think one race is better than the other one", not mentioning white or anything 01:34:16 <Smoovious> ok, thank you, Naksu... I think I remember hearing the Roma term before, now that you mention gypsy types... 01:34:28 * Smoovious nods. 01:34:40 <Bjarni> in their language, Roma means human, so they are the only humans? 01:34:46 <Smoovious> Affirmitave Action, in itself, is institutional endorsed racism 01:35:13 <Naksu> Bjarni: most people are named after whatever they call humans 01:35:24 <Naksu> like the ainu of japan 01:35:42 <Bjarni> btw they originate from India, but they have been on the move for thousands of years. Nobody likes them for some reason and they have been kicked out several times 01:35:55 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 01:36:26 <Bjarni> that makes you wonder... why? 01:37:48 <Smoovious> well, seems to me that historically, that made them good scapegoats... and the more they were scapegoated, the more their reputation grew... they probably deserved some of it... every group has people giving them a bad name... but I doubt they deserved all they got 01:38:48 <Naksu> well 01:39:03 <Bjarni> btw they tend to make money on stuff like fortune tellers. They can't actually see anything in your hand, but they can make you look hard at your hand and then they go easy on certain subjects and look for your reaction to each of them and they continue based on that. I have actually seen that happening (I was not the fool to pay for it) 01:39:20 <Naksu> i've never seen that 01:39:31 <Bjarni> since it can be considered and art and they train each other in it, they can become rather good 01:39:34 * Smoovious nods. 01:39:45 <Smoovious> John Edwards did something similar with his Crossing Over show 01:39:55 <Naksu> i've seen an old roma woman stuff coffee packets under her dress tho 01:40:54 <Sacro__> grrr, done me hand in 01:41:39 <Bjarni> In Eastern Europe where most of them are, they really are a problem because they don't know how many they are since they refuse to register, they move around in their wagons and try to live off of the local population where they show up... likely not all of them, but so many that it's a huge problem. 01:42:31 <Naksu> they dont really roam around in finland 01:42:44 <Bjarni> too cold or something 01:43:56 <Smoovious> if they wanna live like that, more power to em... no reason why you should have to plant yourself in one place 01:44:14 <Smoovious> can see the appeal of both 01:45:31 <Bjarni> the problem is not that they move around. The problem is that they aren't productive in any way and live on getting stuff from other people with little or nothing in return 01:47:20 <Bjarni> I mean, if I decide to get a mobile home and drive around because I don't want to be in one place all the time, I can do that just as long as I got somehow that the public can access me, like a mailbox somewhere 01:47:47 * Smoovious grins. 01:48:02 <Bjarni> modern society demands that they can send you tax stuff and so on 01:48:13 <Bjarni> they refuse that 01:48:20 <Smoovious> well, with the amount of annoyances I have on a daily basis, the idea that the public can't access me, sounds real good right about now 01:48:51 <Bjarni> you would not want that for real 01:49:09 <Smoovious> yeah I would... I wouldn't want it permanently... but I'd love it for a couple years 01:49:16 <Bjarni> like if you need to go to the hospital, then you are screwed if you are hiding 01:49:41 <Smoovious> not really... hospitals here still have to treat me, ID or no ID 01:49:58 <Bjarni> I meant non-urgent stuff 01:50:02 <Smoovious> they'd only contact law enforcement if it involved a gun wound or a knife wound 01:50:30 <Smoovious> if it was non-urgent, then I wouldn't need to go to the hospital. :D 01:51:19 <Smoovious> the emergency rooms end up treating a lot of non-emergency stuff all the time ayways... people who don't have regular doctors or health insurance, etc 01:56:16 <Smoovious> welp, I got stuff I gotta stop procrastinating on tonight... catch ya later... enjoyed the conversation... 01:56:19 * Smoovious touches the brim of his black hat to Bjarni 02:15:36 * Bjarni goes to sleep 02:15:38 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:30:53 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B769FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:30 *** Sacro__ [Ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:38:06 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:55:07 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 03:10:00 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 03:16:59 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:59 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 03:30:28 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N711P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:31:10 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N819P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 03:46:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82FBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:49:30 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82ECB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 03:49:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:19:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:20:22 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 04:20:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 04:20:37 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [] 04:30:03 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:01:57 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@203-97-223-241.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:09:49 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has joined #openttd 05:15:23 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 05:24:24 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B769FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:27:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B769FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:50:28 *** BFM [~chatzilla@138.130.140.81] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.75 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]] 06:07:41 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:14:40 <CIA-1> miham * r7509 /trunk/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 06:14:40 <CIA-1> WebTranslator2 update to 2006-12-19 07:13:46 06:14:40 <CIA-1> bulgarian - 5 fixed by kokobongo (5) 06:14:40 <CIA-1> catalan - 1 fixed, 4 changed by arnaullv (5) 06:14:40 <CIA-1> esperanto - 24 fixed by LaPingvino (24) 06:14:41 <CIA-1> estonian - 5 fixed by vermon (5) 06:14:41 <CIA-1> french - 1 fixed by glx (1) 06:16:10 <Nigel> "can I translate the game to English?" :P 06:20:49 <Ailure> lol 06:21:19 <hylje> theres an american translation afaik 06:23:41 <Ailure> I don't even see why it's required though 06:24:30 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 06:25:24 <hylje> less humour? 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08:37:29 <Brianetta> yes 08:38:13 <Brianetta> dd if=foo of=blah conv=noerror 08:41:12 <peter1138> why does all instant messaging software for windows shun the native gui? 08:41:48 <Brianetta> b3c4u5e s|<1nz R teh w4y f0r\/\/4rd 08:41:55 <peter1138> o_O 08:42:10 <Brianetta> Literally, thoughts like that pass through the UI designers' minds. 08:49:04 <Nigel> peter1138, what i find funny is Windows Live Messenger does exactly that 08:54:08 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 08:55:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D072.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:08 <peter1138> grrr, fucking mozilla 08:55:28 <peter1138> each tt-forums page popups up the yellow banner telling me i need to install flash player 09:08:30 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C436.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:09:09 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C436.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 09:09:35 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C436.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:18:10 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 09:27:24 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp27-30.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:28 <Naksu> btw 09:39:46 <Naksu> what makes opengl horrible to work with compared to direct3d? 09:41:17 <Naksu> seems like a lot of games that are released with both mac and windows versions have d3d for windows and ogl for osx 09:42:06 <peter1138> d3d is supported better under windows, probably 09:48:52 <Aloysha> d3d is only supported under windows? 09:49:22 <peter1138> is it? 09:49:43 <peter1138> i heard vista was dropping opengl, but that was a while ago. i don't know if it actually did drop it. 09:51:23 <Aloysha> well, afaik windows only supports opengl 1.3 or 1.5 or something 09:51:27 <Aloysha> support for 2.0 is not going to happen 09:51:33 <Naksu> er 09:51:40 <Naksu> windows doesnt support anything at all 09:51:48 <Naksu> it's not about windows support 09:51:56 <Naksu> the libraries aren't made by microsoft anyways 09:52:35 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:52:41 <Aloysha> good point.. or something... 09:52:56 <Aloysha> i thought the way it linked with ogl only allowed it the method calls from the early versions... 09:53:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:54:13 <Celestar> morning peter1138 09:54:52 <Naksu> oh wait 09:54:58 <peter1138> hello celestar 09:54:59 <Naksu> maybe they're talking about the software renderer 09:55:06 <Brianetta> Celestar: Did your dd behave? 09:55:15 <peter1138> Celestar: think we've got enough for a quick 0.6 release? ;) 09:58:53 <Celestar> peter1138: ? :) 09:58:54 *** BFM [~BurningFe@60.227.108.98] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:59:03 <Celestar> Brianetta: no it didn't, but dd_rescue does 09:59:54 <Brianetta> dd_rescue? 09:59:55 <peter1138> Celestar: bridges and newgrf stuff, hhe 09:59:59 <Celestar> peter1138: yah 10:00:02 <Brianetta> Did you try the noerror conversion? 10:00:15 * peter1138 attempts to find a monitor to buy 10:00:21 <peter1138> one that won't cost the earth 10:00:33 <peter1138> although pc world have a 22" widescreen for £250 10:09:03 <Celestar> hm 10:09:09 <Celestar> dd_rescue is stuck atm :o 10:11:27 <Brianetta> Read error must be blobking it# 10:18:59 <Celestar> ok but it goes on 10:19:02 <Celestar> 240 errors :S 10:26:18 <Brianetta> Are these data important? 10:26:29 <Celestar> only like 10 files 10:26:32 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:26:42 <Celestar> the once that I created after the last backup on Sunday night. 10:26:53 <Brianetta> eek 10:26:53 <Celestar> creating them takes 4-6 hours, running dd_rescue takes 5 minutes... so 10:26:59 <Celestar> ones* 10:27:17 <Brianetta> I hope your important files aren't the ones producing the errors. 10:27:24 <Celestar> I'll see :P 10:27:24 * Brianetta takes daily backups 10:27:29 <Brianetta> <-- paranoid abou tthis sort of stuff 10:27:31 * Celestar takes nightly backups 10:27:49 <Celestar> well, sunday night, then to work monday morning and the crash on monday noon 10:28:07 <Brianetta> that sucks 10:28:19 <Brianetta> Makes me want RAID 10:28:22 <Celestar> yeah especially since this disk is 2 weeks old 10:28:29 <Celestar> RAID in a laptop is kinda difficult 10:28:31 <Brianetta> double-suck! 10:28:58 <Brianetta> My laptop has nothing important on it 10:29:17 <Celestar> my laptop is kept in sync with my workstation every day. 10:29:24 <Celestar> the workstation having its /home on the fileserver 10:29:30 <Brianetta> A few of my SVN checkouts, (passphrased) copies of keys and some duplication of my regular environment. 10:29:50 <Celestar> which has a 7.5TB RAID6 + hotspare + nightly backups 10:29:57 <Brianetta> Yeah, my laptop gets certain things rsync'd from my server home directory 10:30:06 <Brianetta> but it's rare that anything goes back the other way 10:30:22 * Celestar tries hunting some food 10:30:24 <Brianetta> unless I go away with my laptop 10:30:41 <Celestar> especially nice when you lose data on your trip :S 10:30:44 <Celestar> had that once 10:30:55 <Brianetta> ew 10:31:19 <Brianetta> well, if I pulled, say, four hours' coding, I'd probably copy it to my USB stick straight away 10:31:28 <Brianetta> even in case my laptop was nicked 10:33:28 *** Zahl [~SENFGURKE@p549F2C30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:35:41 <Celestar> ok dd_rescue worked out 10:35:47 *** lolman [john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 10:35:51 <Celestar> repairing file system 10:37:49 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:37:51 <Celestar> mounted 10:37:54 <Celestar> all data there :) 10:40:56 <Celestar> gotta love this OS 10:41:14 <Brianetta> indeed 10:43:48 *** lolman [john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:44:40 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 11:00:42 <Darkvater> morning 11:01:02 <Celestar> heyho 11:01:23 <Celestar> andromeda:/home 3.8T 3.8T 7.1G 100% /nfs/home 11:01:29 * Celestar goes adding 2 disks to the array 11:01:31 <Celestar> bbl 11:02:29 <Darkvater> peter1138: ping 11:02:36 <peter1138> pong 11:02:40 <Biff> doesnt reading and writing from disk suffer quite a bit when you have /home mounted over nfs? 11:02:40 <peter1138> merrily oh high 11:02:52 <Rubidium> Darkvater: what are we going to do about 'bugs' like FS#452? 11:03:00 <peter1138> Biff: no, cos you're reading and writing to nfs, not disk 11:03:11 <Biff> true :P 11:03:33 <peter1138> Rubidium: slap people 11:04:05 <Rubidium> there should at least be some text added to readme.txt I guess 11:04:48 <Nigel> you should rename readme.txt to dontreadme.txt i think more people would read it then 11:04:54 <Darkvater> Rubidium: yes readme 11:04:57 <Nigel> that or rename it to pornsites.txt 11:04:58 <Darkvater> but that guy is talking stupid 11:05:03 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:04 <Darkvater> but the ? and ? (double acute accents) are not (question mark appears instead). 11:05:09 <Darkvater> *never* worked 11:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> Nigel: pornsites.exe ;) 11:05:13 <Darkvater> it was o~ and u~ 11:05:30 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:05:41 <Darkvater> peter1138: about ingame changing of newgrf settings. Is it possible to apply them on the fly (eg on the press of the button), or require to save the game and then load? 11:05:41 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [] 11:05:45 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:06:06 <peter1138> Darkvater: the landscape cheat does it 11:06:11 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:13 <peter1138> just reload the spriteses 11:06:39 <peter1138> it might crash of course, heh 11:07:14 <peter1138> Reported Version 0.5 11:07:15 <peter1138> hmm 11:07:23 <peter1138> who's got a time machine? 11:08:09 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:18 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> is that like "report as Internet Exploer 8 alpha"? ;) 11:08:47 <Darkvater> hmm, it would be better to save/load then 11:09:21 <peter1138> well 11:09:23 <peter1138> not really 11:09:36 <peter1138> if it would crash, it would crash either way 11:09:38 *** Belugas_Gone [~Jfranc@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 11:09:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 11:10:13 <peter1138> hmm, might need to run AfterLoadVehicles too 11:10:50 <Darkvater> hmm 11:12:39 <peter1138> hmm, hp 20w, £189 11:12:55 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:57 <peter1138> maybe that wasn't the model 11:13:04 *** A1win [a1win@loota.fi] has joined #openttd 11:13:50 <peter1138> w20 11:14:10 <peter1138> urgh, looks horrible ;p 11:17:05 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp27-30.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has left #openttd [] 11:21:42 <Darkvater> ok I'll have a look about the newgrf change thingie 11:23:23 <Darkvater> did we have this? 11:23:25 <Darkvater> when a train is stopped at a station, it shows how much is loaded with "Load x%", 11:23:30 <Darkvater> \I don't remember seeing it 11:24:08 <Rubidium> it is in MiniIN 11:24:24 <Darkvater> jao9 jrq433~08rfhjqwe 11:24:24 <Darkvater> fa 11:24:24 <Darkvater> df 11:24:49 <Rubidium> Darkvater's cat wants to participate in the conversation too? 11:25:09 <peter1138> hmm 11:26:01 <blathijs> :-) 11:26:04 <Celestar> evms ROCKS 11:26:05 * Darkvater shoots cat 11:26:21 <Celestar> andromeda:/home 3.8T 3.8T 6.8G 100% /nfs/home 11:28:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> hmm... sorry, i did not realize it was only a miniin feature 11:28:13 <Celestar> andromeda:/home 3.9T 3.8T 105G 98% /nfs/home 11:29:41 <Darkvater> peter1138: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/450 << do we want something to do with this? 11:30:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, it does something similar if you change the selected station type (automatically selecting the available numbers) 11:31:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> just seems that is a forgotten case 11:32:44 <peter1138> yeah, i'll get around to ti 11:32:44 <peter1138> it 11:32:51 <peter1138> it's not major though 11:33:05 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N819P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:40 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N772P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:35:50 <Darkvater> allow me to assign it to you ;) 11:37:15 <peter1138> allow me to ignore it 11:37:25 <Darkvater> but most certainly 11:38:25 <Tefad> holy crap on a stick 11:38:32 <Tefad> nearly 4T of space? 11:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, he has nearly 4T of lack of space ;) 11:39:16 <PandaMojo> That's a lot of porn. 11:39:25 <Tefad> indeed pr0n city. 11:39:40 <Tefad> i thought i had a lot of space with nearly 1T 11:39:47 <Tefad> (over a couple of machines though) 11:40:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> 1T is really nothing... 11:40:13 <Celestar> andromeda:/home 5.5T 3.8T 1.7T 71% /nfs/home 11:40:19 <Celestar> that's better :) 11:40:25 <Tefad> Celestar: what the? LVM or something? 11:40:31 <Celestar> Tefad: EVMS 11:40:53 <Celestar> plug two disks in rack, press two buttons in the evms interface, there you go. 11:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> what do you do when you run out of reserve hard disks? 11:41:23 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause3: I still have 4 unused slots in the rack (i.e. 3TB) 11:41:32 <Tefad> evms sits above md and lvm. i see. 11:41:41 <Celestar> and I can add another array to the SAN \o/ 11:41:50 <Tefad> that sounds expensive 11:41:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> and who pays for that? 11:41:56 <Celestar> assuming $BOSS gives me $MONEY 11:41:59 <Tefad> what the hell are you doing? just a hobby or what 11:42:05 <Celestar> Tefad: working ... 11:42:12 * Celestar is at $WORK 11:42:15 <Tefad> ohhh 11:42:17 <Tefad> i see ; ) 11:42:21 <Tefad> so notpron. 11:42:27 <Celestar> well ..... 11:42:28 <Eddi|zuHause3> right now i am lacking a S-ATA cable 11:42:38 * Celestar dcc's Eddi|zuHause3 a SATA cable 11:42:58 <Tefad> my lug/uug meets at an astronomy building 11:43:01 <Biff> i have plenty of spare sata cables 11:43:06 <Tefad> they have TB upon TB of storage 11:43:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> i bought a 400G drive to replace my failed 40G drive ;) 11:43:18 <Tefad> nrao 11:43:35 <Celestar> the speed at which HDD capacity grows is insane 11:43:42 <Biff> i have only 5x250 in my file server (in raid5 + spare) :/ 11:44:00 <Tefad> you've probably seen the VLA on tv or movies 11:46:34 <Eddi|zuHause3> this is impressive... i bought the HDD off ebay yesterday around 5AM, and today around 10AM it is already here 11:46:48 <Tefad> O_o 11:46:55 <Tefad> airmail? local? 11:47:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> that includes the time for money transfer and stuff 11:48:02 <Tefad> on average, i have good luck with ebay 11:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> but i think it was within the same bank (so 1 bank day for the transfer) and then overnight shipping (DHL package) 11:48:21 <Tefad> only twice has the wrong item (or wrongly advertized) been sent 11:48:30 <Tefad> oh, i always use paypal 11:49:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> within germany, bank transfer is the usual means of payment 11:49:23 <Tefad> hmm k 11:49:30 <Tefad> with in the US, there's.. too many. 11:51:59 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-167-179.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:52:12 *** roboboy [Leo@porax6-150.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:57:02 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 11:58:21 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:06:16 <peter1138> too many whats? 12:08:49 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7024.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 12:10:03 <Darkvater> idiots? 12:10:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> now that is for sure ;) 12:13:54 <peter1138> heh 12:14:04 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 481 seconds] 12:14:19 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has joined #openttd 12:27:55 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:38:05 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 12:38:11 <roboboy> gnight 12:39:29 *** roboboy [Leo@porax6-150.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:26 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:39 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:12:33 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@59.167.27.30] has joined #openttd 13:25:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B803A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B801F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:27:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:31:17 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@intmail.vgtz.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:47 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7510 /branches/makefile_rewrite/config.lib: [MakefileRewrite] -Fix(r7261): "./configure --help" messages for custom-lang-dir and second-data-dir were wrong. 13:38:22 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DFCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:00 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DD74.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:16 *** Noldo [vheino@lame.lut.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:23 *** Noldo [vheino@lame.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 13:52:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:01:10 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: PandaMojo] 14:06:31 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 14:13:59 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:14:29 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:14:42 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:20:38 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@59.167.27.30] has left #openttd [] 14:24:46 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-50-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:28:13 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-50-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 14:40:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B801F9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:21 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83DE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:42:24 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 14:47:45 <Darkvater> so people I see we're buzzing with activity ;p 14:48:08 * glx kicks CIA-1 14:48:15 <CIA-1> ow 14:51:21 <Celestar> Darkvater: yeah we do 14:51:30 <Celestar> what about branching?? 14:51:34 <Celestar> I wanna merge over Xmas 14:51:38 <Celestar> maybe on the 24th heh :P 14:51:51 <Darkvater> I just want to do really one more thing and then we can branch 14:52:11 <Darkvater> which I now solemnly pledge, so have the devil my sole otherwise, I will do today 14:52:26 <hylje> i want to branch 14:55:08 <CIA-1> glx * r7511 /trunk/network_gui.c: -Fix(r7505): Fix network game list selection by enlarging by two pixel and adding a new row to it 14:55:41 <peter1138> do it! 14:55:43 <peter1138> do it now! 14:56:27 <peter1138> hmm 14:56:31 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/deutf8.diff 14:59:51 <Darkvater> what was UTF8 doing there? 15:04:09 <peter1138> temporary info for WT2 while mihamix had latin15 and utf8 langs in the system 15:04:36 <Darkvater> .. 15:04:38 <Darkvater> no comment 15:05:08 <peter1138> :) 15:05:15 <Darkvater> do it! 15:05:17 <Darkvater> do it now! 15:06:33 <Darkvater> hmm if I told vim to :vsplit 15:06:42 <Darkvater> and I resize the term window how do I get the split in the centre? 15:09:47 <peter1138> hmm 15:09:53 <peter1138> you think it's fine? 15:09:58 <peter1138> might upset WT2... i dunno 15:10:06 <peter1138> some don't have .UTF-8 anyway... 15:12:56 <Darkvater> they don't? 15:15:04 <Darkvater> well if they don't the change is moot 15:15:09 <Darkvater> but MiHaMiX: comments ^ 15:18:00 <Darkvater> peter1138: CopyGRFConfigList << shouldn't one of them (src) be const? 15:21:19 <Darkvater> he 15:21:54 <Darkvater> peter1138: if I switch the climate right after load manually the newgrf game doesn't crash which it does ingame 15:23:50 <Darkvater> sadly we have found that afterloadgame doesn't work when called ingame 15:23:51 <Darkvater> bleh 15:24:01 <Celestar> ok I'll check what needs to be done with the merge 15:25:11 <peter1138> the _m[].extra stuff needs sorting out 15:25:28 <peter1138> working with the newhouse stuff 15:25:34 <peter1138> assuming newhouses is wanted... 15:26:32 <Darkvater> that's not a 0.5 topic :) 15:30:27 <peter1138> no 15:30:31 <peter1138> neither is merging ;p 15:31:53 <Darkvater> hehe 15:32:29 <Darkvater> donnu what newhouses does but they also have m6 and so on 15:32:45 <glx> m6 replaces extra IIRC 15:32:47 <peter1138> exactly 15:33:51 <Darkvater> hmm something is different between calling afterloadgame automatically after game-load and ingame (when it works) 15:34:07 <Darkvater> it crashes for newgrf station-drawing manually in my simple test-case 15:34:32 <Darkvater> I think some newgrf re-init is missing 15:36:26 <Darkvater> I'll ponder about this at home ;p 15:38:27 <peter1138> well, afterloadgame probably shouldn't be called in game 15:39:07 <peter1138> s/probably/definitely/ 15:47:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D072.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:21 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7BC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:07:29 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:09:20 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090AAC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:09:23 <[gen2]niki> hi everyone 16:09:24 <[gen2]niki> :O 16:22:19 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:22:43 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:52 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Quitting...] 16:34:39 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:54:45 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:41 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:06:54 <[gen2]niki> hi helb 17:07:06 <helb> [gen2]niki: hi 17:07:58 <[gen2]niki> can anyone teach me good railroadbuilding? 17:07:59 <[gen2]niki> o.o 17:08:57 <helb> [gen2]niki: Take a look at http://www.transporttycoon.net/rail :) 17:09:18 <[gen2]niki> cool hehe ;p 17:10:33 <Darkvater> he the landscape cheat needs afterloadvehicles/afterloadstations/updatewaypointcustomgraphics/plus the stuff already there 17:12:36 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:14 <peter1138> it needs to be removed :P 17:13:58 <Darkvater> the cheat? 17:14:05 <peter1138> yeah 17:14:06 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:14:23 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 17:14:29 <Darkvater> well the cheat uses about the same things that a newgrf change needs doing ingame 17:14:35 <peter1138> ok 17:15:02 <peter1138> for stations it needs to go through all the stations and remove the custom station reference 17:15:08 <peter1138> on load, it's null 17:15:16 <peter1138> it won't be, mid game 17:15:19 <peter1138> hmm 17:15:31 <peter1138> although maybe it'll get fixed by afterloadstations, i can't remember ;p 17:15:35 <Darkvater> afterloadstations() 17:16:00 <Darkvater> that's why the cheat crashed without it 17:16:16 <peter1138> hmm, yeah, should work :) 17:17:21 <Darkvater> it does; I tested :) 17:17:27 <Darkvater> well it didn't crash 17:17:49 <Darkvater> the question still remains though..update newgrf ingame, or only after save/load 17:17:56 <Darkvater> after save/load is less work obviously ;p 17:22:36 <[gen2]niki> are there plans of a release candidate sooner or later? 17:22:37 <[gen2]niki> o.o 17:22:56 <[gen2]niki> id like to contribute, and if its atleast a gameserver hosted on my rootserver 17:22:58 <Darkvater> NEVER! 17:23:26 <Sacro> Darkvater: dont scare the n00bs 17:23:30 <[gen2]niki> lol 17:23:46 <[gen2]niki> trolls dont scare me anymore :D 17:23:52 <[gen2]niki> everyone was a newbie once 17:23:59 <hylje> ya greetings mon 17:24:06 <hylje> how you be 17:24:09 <Darkvater> WTF 17:24:16 <Darkvater> title: AMD Mobile Athlon XP-M 2600+ - AXMG2600FQQ4C socket 462 17:24:25 <Darkvater> description: Celeron Tualeron 1200Mhz QLS5QS intel 17:24:25 <[gen2]niki> o.o 17:24:32 * Darkvater doesn't trust that 17:24:39 <[gen2]niki> sounds up to date 17:24:43 <Darkvater> [gen2]niki: yes a RC will be soon, really soon 17:25:24 <Sacro> haha, Darkvater the troll 17:25:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83DE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:25:38 <Sacro> must admit, its quite accurate 17:25:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-238-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:26:34 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:26:59 <Darkvater> hmm, some food 17:27:08 <[gen2]niki> have a good meal :o 17:27:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B818E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:28:01 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@53d82631.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #openttd 17:28:05 <norbert79> hi 17:28:13 <[gen2]niki> hi 17:28:15 <Wolf01> ello 17:28:33 <[gen2]niki> well if there is a need for servers.. just tell me.. my rootserver is rarely in use x-x 17:29:16 <norbert79> Remember Toimii's server? Desert, some cities/factories, hard level, and hard to start any kind of business 17:29:30 <norbert79> to have such server again, it would be a pleasure 17:29:58 <peter1138> i don't 17:30:13 <norbert79> I think it was back at ver 0.4.7, or 0.4.5 17:30:16 <[gen2]niki> if someone writes me a config file i can do anything 17:31:26 <norbert79> Ok, then I would like to have a soup and a big stake please 17:31:52 <peter1138> STEAK 17:31:53 <peter1138> hm 17:32:00 <norbert79> Steak, right :) 17:32:13 <[gen2]niki> isnt organic food config file = dna? 17:32:31 <Sacro> steak? 17:32:35 <norbert79> It is... You told us, you can do anything 17:32:53 <Sacro> peter1138: he might be vampire hunting after lunch 17:32:57 <[gen2]niki> i ment regarding putting a server up 17:33:05 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Aaaaaaaah! ;-) 17:34:54 <[gen2]niki> well 17:35:04 <[gen2]niki> id need toimiis config file to put something up like that 17:35:14 <[gen2]niki> or something who edits a config file for me ;p like i said 17:35:43 <norbert79> Ok, noted,don't have much time for that now... Anyway thank you in advance 17:40:02 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e182091232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:45:11 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:45 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Btw: what does gen2 stand for in your name? 17:48:04 <[gen2]niki> gentoo 17:48:06 <[gen2]niki> a clan 17:48:52 <[gen2]niki> we were all former gentoo users 17:48:55 <[gen2]niki> so we took the name ;p 17:49:22 <norbert79> :) 17:49:31 <helb> :)) 17:49:36 * Sacro subtly takes out the gentoo user 17:49:39 <norbert79> It could also mean: Generation TWO 17:49:50 <[gen2]niki> thats why we got a rootserveer 17:50:07 <helb> <[gen2]niki> we were all former gentoo users //Former? 17:50:09 <norbert79> Why former? 17:50:11 <[gen2]niki> but we hardly play games nowadays so i use it for basically anything 17:50:22 <[gen2]niki> iam using ubuntu now ;p 17:50:26 <norbert79> LOL 17:50:26 <helb> heh 17:50:33 <Sacro> oh god, it gets worse 17:50:39 <helb> Gentoo forever. :) 17:50:45 <norbert79> nah, it is a good choice, I like Ubuntu too... 17:50:53 <norbert79> besides 17:50:54 <[gen2]niki> gentoo is for people with too much time 17:50:56 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-50-142.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 17:50:59 <norbert79> Indeed 17:51:04 <norbert79> I agree totally 17:51:08 <[gen2]niki> emerge -aud world takes years 17:51:17 <[gen2]niki> except you have like four xenons in your tower 17:51:25 <hylje> xeons 17:51:29 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: You speak from my heart 17:51:41 <hylje> but you dont generally update world 17:51:58 <norbert79> no, but lets just take a KDE update for ex. 17:52:40 <norbert79> it takes also ages... 17:53:06 <norbert79> and KDE gets updated during that time too 17:53:26 <hylje> building c++ takes ages 17:53:34 <hylje> and kde is hueg 17:53:38 <coronel> hueg! 17:53:42 <norbert79> yet faster than gnome :) 17:54:04 <norbert79> Despite I am also using Gnome, I must admit KDE is faster 17:57:20 <hylje> i use e17 17:57:58 <norbert79> hylje: Does E17 do the graphical tricks by software, or does it already support the hw, like Xgl? 17:58:01 <ln-> does there happen to be any freeware/open source train simulators for linux? something similar to ms train simulator. 17:58:14 <hylje> norbert79: its still software, but composition is on the way 17:58:38 <norbert79> hylje: Finally... If they get it composited, I will take a look... 17:58:46 <hylje> it isnt bad uncomposited 17:58:52 <hylje> its the features, ya know 17:59:03 <norbert79> hylje: Yes, still, it takes too much away from memory and CPU 17:59:11 <hylje> ricer 17:59:45 <norbert79> hylje: Why in the hell do we have "expensive" video cards, if the cards are not used? 18:00:01 <hylje> for 3d apps and games 18:00:40 <norbert79> Well, it takes much CPU away from those applications still if you have to run a Windows-Manager by CPU only 18:00:49 <norbert79> despite the features 18:01:23 <[gen2]niki> iam using beryl, xgl and gnome 18:01:26 <[gen2]niki> wonderfull combination 18:01:30 <[gen2]niki> o.o 18:01:31 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:01:59 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Yes, because it goes through the graphical card, not via the software 18:02:10 <hylje> beryl/emerald were quite buggy when i last tried them 18:02:18 <hylje> but the nvidia indirect is quite neat 18:02:27 <hylje> (that means no xgl or aiglx, foos) 18:03:17 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.189.97] has joined #openttd 18:03:21 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.189.97] has quit [] 18:04:11 <[gen2]niki> i agree 18:04:16 <[gen2]niki> well it works okay now 18:04:22 <[gen2]niki> i only sometimes have problems 18:04:35 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:37 <[gen2]niki> but i miss it every time when i have to log on wintendo for several tasks 18:04:53 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: What language settings do you use? 18:05:16 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: EN-GB? EN-US? Different one? 18:05:30 <[gen2]niki> iam german ;p 18:05:39 <norbert79> Moin moin 18:05:58 <[gen2]niki> tach nobby 18:06:15 <[gen2]niki> ;p like we would say in dortmund 18:06:51 <norbert79> Lets stick to english still, sorry (I don't want to keep the others out of the converstation) :) Does it have any kind of problems with your keyboard? I mean I had langistic problems 18:07:08 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:07:10 <norbert79> I am hungarian, and couldn't use sometimes some of the keys 18:07:14 <norbert79> I used Xgl 18:07:37 <[gen2]niki> no it worked fine :O 18:07:40 <norbert79> like öüõáéûú 18:07:48 <norbert79> all the characters? ß, ä ? 18:08:05 <glx> I don't see those chars :) 18:08:12 <[gen2]niki> äöü eééèß 18:08:14 <norbert79> hmm, I just switched to ISO 18:08:19 <norbert79> ok, back to utf 18:08:29 <norbert79> ß ä 18:08:37 <glx> better :) 18:08:40 <norbert79> K 18:09:16 <norbert79> Despite that ß isn't used anymore, did it work? 18:09:17 <[gen2]niki> btw some advertisement: 18:09:23 <[gen2]niki> go play on my [gen2]server 18:09:27 <[gen2]niki> everyone is welcome :D 18:09:48 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Btw: Niki stands for Nikole? 18:10:40 <norbert79> Does it stand for Nikole? (Having a Bad-Grammar-Full-With-Typos-Day) 18:11:41 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has joined #openttd 18:14:38 <[gen2]niki> no :D 18:14:39 <[gen2]niki> niklas 18:18:51 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Tought it would be better to ask first :) 18:19:33 <[gen2]niki> yes, the short form can be a girls and a boys name 18:19:43 <norbert79> Like Gabi in hungarian :) 18:20:03 <norbert79> Gabriella (woman's name) or Gábor (Man's name) 18:20:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D072.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:54 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has quit [Quit: HMage] 18:21:17 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has joined #openttd 18:24:21 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.189.97] has joined #openttd 18:24:24 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@83.100.189.97] has left #openttd [] 18:24:41 <[gen2]niki> guess what happened me today 18:24:48 <[gen2]niki> my washing machine mudwater pump died 18:25:07 <[gen2]niki> :D 18:25:33 <[gen2]niki> the result: the water from the pit went into the beton 18:26:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:38 <norbert79> aeeiii 18:28:13 <[gen2]niki> well 18:28:24 <[gen2]niki> it only needed to be cleaned 18:28:27 <[gen2]niki> so its fine now 18:28:33 <[gen2]niki> but hell x-x 18:28:34 <norbert79> What about the smell? 18:28:42 <norbert79> or wasn't it that bad? 18:28:44 <[gen2]niki> like hell. 18:28:47 <norbert79> lol 18:29:05 <norbert79> At last Meister Proper had it job to do 18:29:58 <norbert79> Alpenfresh, with a mix of bad smell... Hmm, smelly :) 18:30:13 <norbert79> A joy for the whole family 18:30:29 <[gen2]niki> lawl 18:30:36 <[gen2]niki> its called like that in hungary too? 18:30:47 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: Probably, never used it :) 18:30:54 <norbert79> [gen2]niki: But the name is the same 18:33:24 <[gen2]niki> fun ;p 18:35:06 <helb> It's called like that in czech too. :) 18:37:04 <[gen2]niki> hehe 18:37:27 <[gen2]niki> hmm love to logistics, trains and transport seems to be common in eastern europe :D 18:45:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@ppp85-140-207-179.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 18:52:45 <norbert79> I tought I live in Central Europe :) 18:57:31 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:01:56 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.37] has joined #openttd 19:04:38 <Frostregen> hi 19:05:14 <Frostregen> is there some documentation about the newgrf codec? 19:05:53 <Sacro> Frostregen: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/ 19:06:11 <Frostregen> what spriteGroup / spriteSet etc are? 19:06:19 <Sacro> probably 19:06:24 <DaleStan> Read the documentation. 19:06:29 <Frostregen> hmm i found only hints how to use it 19:06:43 <Frostregen> not how it works 19:06:46 <DaleStan> I found everything I needed there. 19:07:17 <Frostregen> i'm trying to add a new "feature" 19:08:22 <DaleStan> Make sure you're starting on the right page; if it's the tutorial you want, http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=GRFTutorial . If you want the man pagey docs, http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=GRFActionsDetailed 19:09:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:09:04 <Frostregen> thats where i looked 19:09:21 <Frostregen> maybe i need to look longer ;) 19:09:35 <DaleStan> Oh. Are you looking for docs on extending the format? 19:09:43 <Frostregen> yes 19:10:27 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:11:09 <Frostregen> i'm quite sure i need a new "feature" which will be modified by the newgrfs 19:11:32 <DaleStan> They don't exist, and there's really not much too it. 19:12:13 <Frostregen> :/ 19:12:54 <Frostregen> ok, no way around to fully understanding the code ;) 19:13:23 <DaleStan> Take the next feature byte (10), define its properties (start with 08 -- properties 00..07 are reserved), and define a standard action 2 format. 19:14:16 <DaleStan> "define a standard action 2 format" is often "borrow the vehicle format." 19:14:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 19:14:23 <Frostregen> ok, so action 2 is it 19:14:38 <DaleStan> Optionally, add variational 2 variables and/or bits for random 2. 19:14:52 <Frostregen> its way simpler than vehicle props 19:15:19 <Frostregen> brb, thx 19:15:21 <DaleStan> Action 2 assigns cargoIDs to sprite sets loaded by an action 1. 19:15:27 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:15:50 <DaleStan> ^^ Standard action 2. 19:17:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-238-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolf01_))] 19:17:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-238-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:19:46 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:56 *** Guest56 [~Gono@N839P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 19:29:59 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:11 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 19:31:27 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N772P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:16 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 19:41:07 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B818E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:42:54 <Frostregen> "sprite sets" this is a term i need to know 19:43:01 <Frostregen> as well as spriteGroup 19:43:09 <Frostregen> a bit confusing to me 19:44:26 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B848F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:44:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:44:31 <DaleStan> For "sprite set", see Action1. "spriteGroup" sounds like something that came out of OpenTTD's code. 19:46:01 <Frostregen> yup, both are from code 20:00:02 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176118154.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:00:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@82-43-58-81.cable.ubr04.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:57 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:08 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:47 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e182091232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:04 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:14:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:16:33 <Sacro> ;o 20:18:05 <Bjarni> !log 20:18:08 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 20:18:08 <Bjarni> !logs 20:18:19 <DaleStan> "spriteGroup" *MIGHT* be what the wiki calls a cargoID. It also might be all the sprites loaded by an action 1/5/A/11/12 20:23:38 <Darkvater> so, thus...about newgrf changing ingame... 20:23:56 <Frostregen> hmm 20:24:05 <Darkvater> peter1138: should I rename afterloadstations to UpdateAllStationCustomGraphics or rename UpdateAllWaypointCustomGraphics to afterloadwaypoints? 20:28:56 <Darkvater> peter1138: found a small bug in the newgrf gui. newlines 0x0D 0x0A are shown as ? 20:29:45 <Darkvater> 0x0A is 20:31:03 <norbert79> See you guys next time! Good bye! 20:31:04 *** norbert79 [~Norbi@53d82631.adsl.enternet.hu] has left #openttd [Beer, what else?] 20:32:36 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-174-214.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:36 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-168-009.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:32:46 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 20:35:24 <Darkvater> hmm 20:39:56 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 20:47:03 *** PandaMojo [~panda@c-67-183-223-161.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:37 <[gen2]niki> iam inviting everyone to play on my server 20:48:56 <[gen2]niki> its [gen2]*********** (the stars stand for: idk!) 20:56:09 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:56:18 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 21:01:03 *** Rubidium [~rubidium@rubidium.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:40 <Darkvater> wb blathijs, Rubidium 21:06:24 <Rubidium> thanks :) 21:06:56 <Darkvater> damn that 800x600 img inline limit for the forums 21:13:12 *** Skas1 [~Skasi@85-125-231-202.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 21:14:52 <Skas1> hiho, I just wanted to ask, why the profit of transporting goods decreases every time a train delivers goods (now I am just making about 14.000$, some time ago I made about 45.000$ from the same route with the same train) 21:15:04 <Skas1> I am useing the newest nightly-build 21:20:33 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-140-81.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:25:05 <Darkvater> Skas1: did it take the same amount of time? 21:34:16 <Skas1> I think so, yes 21:34:32 *** Skas1 is now known as Skasi 21:34:36 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:35:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B848F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82D88.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:37:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 21:41:17 *** Purno [~Purno@5351C436.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:41:59 <Darkvater> think so is not good :) 21:42:04 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 21:42:26 <CIA-1> glx * r7512 /branches/MiniIN/ (23 files in 2 dirs): [MiniIN] -Sync with trunk r7496:r7511 21:44:22 <Skasi> well yes, maybe a change of some ms, but I'm sure not enought, that it should have such an impact 21:45:20 <glx> maybe inflation too 21:45:26 <Skasi> does the profit decrease, if a trains gets older? 21:46:16 <Skasi> how does the inflation-system work exactly? ^^ 21:47:22 <Darkvater> just makes the numbers go up by a shitload 21:47:41 <glx> and you can have train with negative running costs :) 21:47:46 <PandaMojo> And on occasion overflow. 21:47:48 <PandaMojo> :D 21:48:57 <Darkvater> that's overflow :) 21:49:31 <Skasi> well, the trains made me rich as they started the route and they do not have negative running costs (and if so, why should the profit decrease with time?) 21:49:40 <Skasi> and what is a "shitload"? ^^° 21:49:41 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: Whoopsy] 21:52:44 <Darkvater> exponential 21:55:16 <mikk36> yay 21:55:27 * mikk36 is a new domainname holder :) 22:00:23 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7024.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:39 <Wolf01> what do you think about the eyecandy gui? http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/eyecandy_gui.png 22:03:31 <ln-> what does it do? 22:03:39 <mikk36> erm 22:03:41 <Wolf01> nothing, is simply a gui 22:03:47 <[gen2]niki> i like it 22:03:53 <ln-> what would it do? 22:03:57 <mikk36> for placing houses and radio towers ? 22:04:10 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:04:14 <Wolf01> houses, trees, buildings... 22:04:22 <Wolf01> sac's stuff 22:09:11 <[gen2]niki> i think transport tycoon should be edited that you can develop cars and trains too 22:09:15 <[gen2]niki> o.o 22:09:39 <[gen2]niki> like in rollercoaster tycoon where you can develop the new rollercoasters with science 22:10:09 <ln-> for editing transport tycoon see ttdpatch. 22:10:55 <Jango> transport tycoon is about the networks, not designing the vehicles 22:11:36 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 22:18:24 <Skasi> hmm.. running costs do increase with inflation, right? 22:19:04 <Darkvater> yes 22:20:15 <Skasi> and does it affect the profit too? 22:20:17 <ln-> what if your country is using communism? 22:28:11 *** [gen2]niki [~niki@p5090AAC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:35:48 *** StarLite [~Star@StarLite.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: En KLAP.. de klaptop is dicht...] 22:38:33 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Tobin] 22:40:01 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176118154.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:40:11 *** scia_ [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:14 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:46:51 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7BC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:48:12 <Darkvater> Skasi: ye 22:48:13 <Darkvater> s 22:49:30 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 22:51:00 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E741.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:56:22 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:56:38 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DFCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:41 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:00:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host101-238-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 23:05:28 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:05 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:09:25 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:09:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1D072.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:36:14 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:42:35 *** Tobin [~Tobin@c58-107-61-130.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:42:46 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-83-100-235-72.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:57:09 *** Skasi [~Skasi@85-125-231-202.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has left #openttd [] 23:58:11 *** wonea [~wonea@wonea.demon.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:29 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving]