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00:00:39 <Darkvater> look on servers.openttd.org 00:01:17 <Ailure> odd 00:01:22 <Ailure> it appears there 00:01:28 <Ailure> but not in openTTD itself 00:01:35 <Ailure> then my connection is kinda fritzy now 00:01:35 <Darkvater> it's probably there as well 00:01:51 <Ailure> well for some reason 00:01:59 <Darkvater> it's there for me on RC2 00:02:05 <Ailure> 70% of the servers I have no names for me 00:02:57 <Ailure> hmm 00:02:59 <Ailure> it was there 00:03:01 <caladan> That derver discovery is UDP? 00:03:06 <caladan> *server 00:03:10 <Ailure> but only it's ip was shown until I selected it manually and clicked refresh server 00:04:24 <caladan> If that's UDP as it seems it may mean you loose many packets 00:04:41 <caladan> check stats with ping or something 00:05:53 <Ailure> well i'm loosing alot of packets 00:05:53 <Ailure> :) 00:06:01 <Ailure> I suspect it's becuse i'm downloading alot through torrrents. 00:06:16 <Ailure> and the router inbetween isn't really the best 00:06:49 <caladan> so try to refresh manually and pray all packets come to you unchanged :D 00:07:18 <Ailure> well 00:07:21 <Ailure> joining a server right now 00:07:26 <caladan> changing it to TCP would be a waste of bandwith, you know 00:07:26 <Ailure> is asking for insta-desynch 00:07:38 <Ailure> so I won't bother xD 00:07:48 <caladan> dont know what protocol game uses, but probably UDP as well 00:07:59 <caladan> just cut down a little that torrents 00:08:05 <Rubidium_> the protocol during the game is TCP 00:08:11 <Ailure> I can only cut down on the upload limit 00:08:11 <Ailure> xD 00:08:26 <caladan> hmm, so that must be matter of long time of response 00:08:52 <Rubidium_> the pre-game stuff is all UDP 00:08:59 <Brianetta> (: 00:09:08 *** Tuzlo [~bill@blk-215-68-38.eastlink.ca] has quit [] 00:09:08 <Brianetta> That UDP protocol 00:09:11 <Brianetta> that was fun 00:09:14 <Brianetta> writing it in Tcl 00:09:22 <Ailure> Brianetta's server was full anyway 00:09:25 <Ailure> well of companies 00:09:36 <Ailure> and I would only play around for a half hour 00:09:50 <Ailure> so I might as well not bother xD 00:09:55 <Brianetta> My server is' more popular than 8 companies makes convenient 00:10:25 <Ailure> I wish the 8 companies 10 player limit could be relaxed 00:10:26 <caladan> i can let you play at mine 00:10:34 <caladan> 2 players now 00:10:49 <caladan> just to relax a little :D 00:10:59 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-b66370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:21 <Ailure> hmm 00:12:26 <Ailure> I wonde rif it's just the router being crappy now 00:12:36 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-234-231.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 00:12:43 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 00:12:45 <caladan> do load tests... 00:12:50 <Ailure> I pause the torrents 00:13:40 <Ailure> I wish I could download the missing newGRF's xD 00:14:13 <Ailure> of course with a dialog that make sure that you don't overwrite your own newGRF's incase their MD5sum differs 00:14:36 <caladan> maybe some bash script would do? :D 00:14:43 <Rubidium_> the problem is the licenses of the NewGRFs 00:14:59 <Rubidium_> there is no way to know whether you may distribute the NewGRF 00:15:25 <Ailure> Maybe by having some kind of flag in them *shrug* but then we go against the de facto standard of NewGRF's I guess D: 00:16:18 <Brianetta> You don't need to overwrite newgrfs 00:16:38 <Brianetta> check the MD5s of existing newgrfs (already done), and if it's not there, save it with any unique filename. 00:16:46 <Ailure> [01:15] <Ailure> of course with a dialog that make sure that you don't overwrite your own newGRF's incase their MD5sum differs 00:16:59 <Ailure> well I kinda took the MD5sum thing into uhm 00:17:04 <Ailure> blah well that make sense 00:17:10 <Ailure> and maybe the downloaded files should be in a seperate folder 00:20:03 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7936 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: -Fix (r4987, old-rev): Only update the signals and YAPF cache on a DC_EXEC action for bridge-building 00:23:19 <Darkvater> gn all 00:23:26 <KUDr> gn master 00:25:35 <stillunknown> KUDr: /storage/tempstorage/downloads/openttd7/cpp/src/airport_movement.h:42: warning: missing braces around initializer for 'DirectionByte' 00:25:51 <stillunknown> did you notice those, there are about 30 of the,? 00:25:53 <stillunknown> *them 00:26:05 <KUDr> stillunknown: many many 00:26:12 <KUDr> now we are porting OSX 00:26:18 <KUDr> warnings later 00:26:32 <stillunknown> patches for warnings ok? 00:29:42 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC5D55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:43 <caladan> bye all 00:37:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DC5C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:37:24 <Ailure> What's the most stupid suggestion openTTD have gotten so far? 00:37:24 <Ailure> << 00:38:44 <ln-> it's a secret 00:41:26 *** Duckleon__ [~chatzilla@ADijon-257-1-132-92.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 00:44:04 <Belugas> merge with TTDPatch, i guess 00:44:21 <Belugas> because of the impossibility of it, 00:45:09 <Belugas> because ttdpatch is quite a piece of work 00:45:21 <Belugas> herr... 00:45:25 <Belugas> forget it 00:46:23 *** Duckleon [~chatzilla@ADijon-257-1-161-3.w90-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:24 *** Duckleon__ is now known as Duckleon 00:46:31 <Ailure> I gave up with ttdpatch when I found it unstable and stff D: 00:46:48 <Ailure> and the network support and bigmaps of openTTD made me stay 00:51:34 <Sacro> the conversion to basic idea was quite amusing 00:51:37 <Sacro> or was it visbasic 00:52:21 <Ailure> visual basic? 00:52:27 <Ailure> eww 00:52:28 <Sacro> yeah 00:52:42 <Ailure> I'm not fond of langages that is like 00:52:46 <Ailure> restricted to one platform 00:52:55 <valhallasw> Ailure: vb.net is portable to linux 00:52:57 <Ailure> well assembly is a expection I guess 00:53:02 <valhallasw> as are all .net languages 00:56:00 <BurningFeetMan> Who want's to lose the rest of their sunday to a flash game? 00:56:02 <BurningFeetMan> http://novelconcepts.co.uk/FlashElementTD/ 00:58:38 <Sacro> BurningFeetMan: damn you, im only 58 minutes in 00:59:21 <Sacro> :o WOW 01:04:46 <BurningFeetMan> :D 01:04:54 <BurningFeetMan> Game kicks arse. I got 1000 just now ^_^ 01:05:25 <Sacro> trolls [immune] thats hardly fair 01:08:18 <Sacro> battle golems did well 01:10:46 <CIA-1> bjarni * r7937 /branches/cpp/src/ (14 files in 4 dirs): 01:10:46 <CIA-1> [cpp] -Fix: compiles on OSX 01:10:46 <CIA-1> Note: the code to list newgrf files in the assert window (OSX specific) is commented out and it will just print "none" for now 01:11:28 <Sacro> 833 points 01:18:31 <CIA-1> bjarni * r7938 /branches/cpp/source.list: [cpp] -Fix 7937: missed one file 01:20:19 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:55 <Naksu> 02:55 < BurningFeetMan> Who want's to lose the rest of their sunday to a flash game? 01:31:59 <Naksu> the game actually ends 01:32:07 <Naksu> i won :( 01:32:14 <BurningFeetMan> Whoa! Well done sire! 01:32:16 <Naksu> with a score of 1812 01:32:29 *** nairan|ZZzzz [~maui_key@p5498DCC0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:32:31 <Naksu> i just built a shitload of common arrow towers and bought interest upgrades 01:32:57 <Naksu> and water towers later 01:33:33 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 01:45:03 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 01:50:43 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:04:47 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 02:05:26 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-181-147.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:09:35 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:09:35 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 02:11:23 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 02:11:26 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-138-051.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:11:36 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 02:20:35 <KUDr> Darkvater, Celestar, peter1138: when you wake up, can you please do performance tests? 02:20:41 <KUDr> [23:17:42] <Rubidium> 'preliminary' data on /branches/cpp vs /trunk: +20% compile time, +5% runtime (tested with Pile 02:20:42 <KUDr> Transport and both --enable-debug=0 and --enable-debug=3) 02:20:55 <KUDr> I tested it too and have different results. 02:20:55 <KUDr> Conditions: 02:20:55 <KUDr> 1. delete openttd.cfg 02:20:55 <KUDr> 2. openttd -g Pile_Transport_Final.cpp 02:20:55 <KUDr> 3. Stop it immediately (8.11.2090) 02:20:55 <KUDr> 4. switch on "Fast Forward" 02:20:57 <KUDr> 5. Unpause & start measuring time 02:20:57 <KUDr> 6. measure how long it takes to get to 1.1.2091 02:21:01 <KUDr> My Results: 02:21:02 <KUDr> 1. r7821 from trunk/Win32/VC8/Release: 63 secs 02:21:02 <KUDr> 2. r7938 from branches/cpp : 60 secs 02:21:02 <KUDr> 3. r7821 from trunk/linux/g++/Release: 84 secs 02:21:03 <KUDr> 4. r7938 from branches/cpp : 80 secs 02:21:26 <KUDr> i wonder what will be your results 02:21:41 <KUDr> g++ still produces many warnings 02:22:04 <KUDr> but it works now on all win32/linux/osx 02:22:12 <KUDr> gn all 02:31:31 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B7700E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:38:01 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B77514.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:42:30 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176119214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 03:21:34 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:24:45 *** nairan|ZZzzz [~maui_key@p5498F073.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:30:45 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N926P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:32 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N734P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 03:39:00 *** lolman [~Christine@AC9F8B31.ipt.aol.com] has joined #openttd 03:44:00 <Sacro> oh noes 03:44:34 <lolman> Oh Noes indeed 03:44:53 <Sacro> Christine? 03:45:01 <lolman> What> 03:45:04 <lolman> ? 03:45:07 <Sacro> your name :p 03:45:17 <lolman> O, my friend's mam 03:45:32 <lolman> Bloody portable Gaim 03:45:35 <Sacro> i been playing rFactor with my g25 03:45:39 <lolman> Ewww 03:45:42 <lolman> rTractor 03:45:45 <lolman> :P 03:45:49 <Sacro> i had another go on lfs... didnt like it 03:45:57 <lolman> What was wrong with it? 03:46:14 <Sacro> just seemed too... amateur 03:46:32 <lolman> Just because the graphics weren't as good 03:47:08 <Sacro> not just that 03:47:17 <Sacro> the whole game feels shoddy 03:47:25 <Gonozal_VIII> what's a rfactor, what's a g25, what's a lfs? 03:47:30 <lolman> 1. It's not a game, it's a simulator 03:47:39 <lolman> 2. It's one guy programming it 03:47:47 <lolman> 3. It's only £24 03:47:58 <Sacro> so is rFactor, and you get so much more 03:48:29 <lolman> rTractor is more than £24, and the physics are useless too 03:49:07 <Sacro> rFactor is £24.99 03:49:16 <Sacro> and comes with an insane amount of mods 03:49:22 <lolman> See? More than £24 :P 03:49:43 <Sacro> i might get lfs when i get paid 03:50:43 <lolman> :D 03:50:53 <lolman> I'll be sure to come and beat you 03:50:58 <Sacro> yeah... right 03:51:10 *** dp [~dp@p54B2D4E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 03:51:20 <lolman> Yes, right;-) 03:51:46 <Sacro> yeaaaaah... right 03:51:46 <lolman> Rallycross is my speciality 03:51:50 <lolman> :P 03:53:20 <lolman> But I'm not too bad in some of the other cars 03:53:22 *** dp_ [~dp@p54B2EEDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:53:43 <Sacro> hmm 03:53:53 <Sacro> well im on a per hour job soon 03:54:02 <lolman> When is soon? 03:54:07 <Sacro> maybe starting monday 03:54:11 <lolman> Nice 03:54:25 <Sacro> depends when my mate speaks to the client, and finalises what we need 03:55:01 <lolman> Ah right, what kind of timescale are you talking about? ie how long you working there for? 03:55:31 <Sacro> err... aiming to get it launched before the end of feb 03:56:05 <lolman> So about 2 months then 03:56:09 <Sacro> something like 03:56:19 <Sacro> but i have coursework and exams 03:56:32 <lolman> Same 03:56:37 <lolman> Got exams week after next 03:56:42 <Sacro> yeah me too 03:59:03 <lolman> Exams really suck :( 04:02:11 <lolman> Oh well, will be free of them in a few months 04:02:21 <lolman> Completely free :p 04:02:46 <Gonozal_VIII> suicide? 04:02:50 <lolman> Nah 04:02:55 <lolman> End of Sixth Form 04:04:03 <Gonozal_VIII> don't know what that means but good luck and such.... 04:04:10 <lolman> lol 04:04:19 <lolman> I'll rephrase, end of College 04:05:08 <Gonozal_VIII> aren't you like born in 89? 04:06:43 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:08:00 <Nigel> hope noone here uses academic licensing of windows 04:10:07 *** Bytefox [~digitalfo@bl8-40-207.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 04:10:43 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 04:10:43 <Bytefox> !logs 04:20:42 <lolman> Gonozal_VIII: I am 04:20:47 <lolman> Early 89 tough 04:20:52 <lolman> though* 04:22:26 <lolman> I turn 18 on the 25th lol 04:28:37 *** Bytefox [~digitalfo@bl8-40-207.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 04:35:04 <Nigel> lolman must be an aussie AOLer 04:37:08 <pv2b> SpComb: that link is like... recursive. if you click it from the log view, y ou get to the log view, and you don't get anywhere 04:37:34 <pv2b> :-) 04:45:04 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@213.249.248.210] has joined #openttd 04:45:09 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@213.249.248.210] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:06:18 <lolman> Aussie? Me? 05:06:28 * lolman was RDCing :P 05:07:43 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 05:10:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas_Gone] by ChanServ 05:13:57 <Sacro> Nigel: i do, why? 05:15:32 <Nigel> Sacro, so you have a copy of Win XP Academic? 05:15:45 <Sacro> Nigel: yeah... MSDNAA 05:15:57 <Nigel> http://www.nigelj.com/blog/2007/01/microsoft-screws-students-with-academic-licensing-package/ 05:16:12 <Nigel> MSDNAA might be affected too 05:16:38 <Nigel> they don't offer it where i study 05:19:22 <Sacro> ahh 05:19:30 <Sacro> orudge got Vista Business Pro i think 05:19:37 <Sacro> and its not made it into my repo yet 05:29:57 <lolman> I'm gonna be buying Vista OEM 05:30:07 <lolman> When I get money, that is 05:30:58 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@213.249.248.210] has joined #openttd 05:31:21 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@213.249.248.210] has quit [] 05:31:55 <lolman> Hmm, that figured 05:32:02 <Sacro> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=538955#538955 05:32:09 <Sacro> read that and you'll see why 05:32:20 <Sacro> vista ultimate is only £135 oem 05:37:31 <Nigel> yeah, well i swear, there should be a Vista Ultimate Academic version 05:37:45 <Sacro> hmm... who knows 05:41:53 <lolman> I'm thinking the same lol 05:42:32 <Nigel> (digg my post then ;)) 05:43:07 <lolman> Where is said post? 05:43:45 <Nigel> read up ~15 lines 05:45:05 <lolman> Aha 05:46:40 <lolman> NZD>GBP? 05:49:04 <lolman> Wow MS screw the UK big tine 05:49:06 <lolman> time* 05:49:09 <Sacro> yes 05:49:33 <lolman> £62 for a Home Premium Academic Upgrade 05:50:17 <Nigel> lolman, heh 05:51:33 <lolman> Home Basic OEM costs that over here 05:52:02 <lolman> Hmm, I shall be pre-ordering Home Premium next week 05:53:02 <Nigel> i won't 05:53:13 <lolman> Lol 05:53:24 <lolman> Overclockers have OEM for £78 over here 05:54:25 <Nigel> http://ascent.co.nz/search.aspx?T1=Vista&D1=2106&MajorCatID=83 05:56:01 <lolman> Heh 05:57:46 <Nigel> http://ascent.co.nz/Category.aspx?majorcatID=99 for Office 2007 05:58:24 <lolman> Not interested in that 06:01:12 <lolman> :P 06:01:19 <lolman> I have OpenOffice, it does me 06:06:50 *** Sacro [Ben@213.249.248.210] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:07:40 <lolman> Sacro wimped out then :P 06:10:21 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 06:11:00 *** Duckleon__ [~chatzilla@ADijon-257-1-135-89.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 06:14:39 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-225-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 06:14:46 <lolman> Oh Noes 06:16:26 *** Duckleon [~chatzilla@ADijon-257-1-132-92.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:36 *** Duckleon__ is now known as Duckleon 06:21:00 <Sacro> i got g-lined on quakenet 06:21:03 <Sacro> had to reboot the router 06:27:49 <lolman> Ah right 06:28:13 * lolman is looking at hardware on OcUK to buy with Vista 06:32:22 <lolman> brb 06:35:49 <lolman> And back 06:38:03 *** lolman [~Christine@AC9F8B31.ipt.aol.com] has left #openttd [] 06:59:44 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:14 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-234-231.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:05 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83E67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:28:47 <Nigel> Sacro, wow, MSDNAA looks good 07:29:05 <Sacro> Nigel: does it? 07:29:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:29:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:29:17 <Nigel> hell yeah 07:29:30 <Sacro> i have got XP, 2000, VS6 and VS2005 so far 07:31:28 <Nigel> 00AU for an institution to subscribe, students get everything for free 07:33:02 * Celestar is happy that he moved his institution from MS Office to OpenOffice 07:33:30 <Nigel> bleh, i have a strong dislike for OpenOffice 07:34:00 <Celestar> me too, but my dislike for anything from Redmond is far greater 07:34:15 <Celestar> I've also put a 2-year ban onto Vista 07:34:18 <Sacro> i use ooO 07:34:25 <Sacro> errr OOo 07:34:29 <Nigel> half the features i use are missing 07:34:33 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 07:34:35 <Nigel> (in OOo) 07:34:49 <Celestar> no computer (even private ones) will be allowed to access the network if running Vista 07:35:36 <Sacro> lol 07:36:26 <Celestar> and boss is ok with this rule of mine 07:36:53 <Celestar> bah the -g option starts looking in the wrong directory 07:38:02 <Tron> run: all 07:38:02 <Tron> $(Q)cd /usr/home/tron/projekte/ottd/clean/bin && ./openttd 07:38:04 <Tron> WTF? 07:38:09 <Tron> where does this absolute path come from? 07:38:37 <Celestar> me->breakfast(); me->airport(); 07:39:19 <Sacro> Tron: `pwd`? 07:39:40 <Tron> this is so full of WTFs it could provide dWTF with stories for a whole month 07:39:47 <Sacro> hehe 08:08:24 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-213-249-225-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:08:57 <BurningFeetMan> When's the official next version expected to be released? 08:18:00 <CIA-1> tron * r7939 /trunk/ (config.lib configure): Fix useless use of cat 08:21:47 <Tron> cp $SOURCE_LIST config.cache.source.list 08:21:47 <Tron> # Make sure config.cache is OLDER then config.cache.source.list 08:21:47 <Tron> touch config.cache 08:21:57 <Tron> if code and comment disagree, probably both are wrong 08:23:38 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B84B5A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:26:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B828C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:26:28 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:26:48 <CIA-1> tron * r7940 /trunk/config.lib: Add an empty line instead of overwriting the just written file 08:30:37 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 08:52:58 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 09:00:16 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:10:39 <peter1138> morning 09:13:00 *** rfalke [~hawk@p5489FEE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:13:13 <rfalke> hello 09:15:31 *** Hinrik [~hinrik@dsl-228-236.hive.is] has joined #openttd 09:16:31 <rfalke> whom to I have to ask to get something committed? 09:18:07 <peter1138> what is it? 09:19:02 <rfalke> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29495 09:19:26 <rfalke> another similar patch was done in sep. 2006 09:22:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:24:20 <CIA-1> tron * r7941 /trunk/config.lib: Unbreak linking: FreeBSD is not Linux either 09:29:11 <stillunknown> anyone know why (in cpp branch) it wants braces around directionbyte 09:29:22 <stillunknown> in airport_movement.h 09:31:33 <KUDr> stillunknown: because directionbyte is a struct 09:31:49 <KUDr> that contains byte 09:32:12 <stillunknown> that makes sense 09:33:12 <peter1138> a struct containing a byte? 09:33:53 <KUDr> directionbyte is the only way how i was able to emulate typesafe byte-sized enum 09:34:20 <KUDr> same as direction but 1 byte 09:35:06 <KUDr> there were bytes everywhere in structs but byte is not type-safe 09:35:19 <KUDr> v->direction 09:35:29 <KUDr> you can assign shit into that 09:35:38 <KUDr> the same v->track 09:35:42 <KUDr> and many others 09:36:17 <KUDr> now you can't 09:36:41 <hylje> :o 09:48:16 <CIA-1> tron * r7942 /trunk/ (config.lib configure): Trim another 192 lines from the configure monster 09:50:58 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host91-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:51:19 <Wolf01> morning 09:51:38 <Hinrik> morning 09:51:57 <Hinrik> So you're the Wolf. Do you solve problems? 09:52:23 <rfalke> peter1138: so can you help me? 09:52:41 <peter1138> not at the moment 09:53:40 <stillunknown> KUDr: http://home.student.utwente.nl/m.g.maathuis/braces_warning.patch 09:53:57 <stillunknown> KUDr: ship handling is broken in cpp branch, they constantly turn around 09:54:24 <Wolf01> mmm maybe, depends of the problem 09:54:33 <KUDr> stillunknown: could be 09:54:41 <KUDr> there was also assert 09:54:47 <KUDr> butonly on linux 09:54:53 <KUDr> or g++ 09:55:04 <Rubidium_> stillunknown: why not replace those 'magic' numbers immediatelly with DIR... 09:55:19 <Hinrik> Wolf01: Well, I've got a corpse, in a car, minus a head in the garage. Can you help? 09:55:52 <stillunknown> Rubidium: good point, need to go away for a bit, but i will 09:57:16 <Wolf01> mmm no, i'm just wake up, i can't think 09:58:24 <KUDr> stillunknown: or change the type from DirectionByte to Direction and it will work without {} 09:59:00 <stillunknown> i made the {}, might aswell use them 09:59:29 <Celestar> hm ... 09:59:36 <Celestar> the OMP is really neat 09:59:56 <Tron> *grml* check_compiler mess 10:00:07 <Celestar> me->away_again(); 10:01:28 <stillunknown> KUDr: you introduced the directionbyte for type safe "enum", might aswell use it 10:02:17 <KUDr> but main use is in dynamic structures that get saved and occupy lot of memory 10:02:35 <KUDr> otherwise we can still use enums 10:02:41 <KUDr> native way 10:04:05 <Celestar> KUDr: the problem is, that sizeof(enum) is not clearly defined 10:04:40 <KUDr> Celestar: in fixed structures that don't get saved it is not a big problem 10:05:18 <Celestar> true 10:05:33 <KUDr> but as you can see DirectionByte is not typesafe if you use {} in initializer 10:05:40 <stillunknown> KUDr: http://home.student.utwente.nl/m.g.maathuis/braces_warning.patch 10:05:57 <Celestar> KUDr: hm? 10:06:12 <KUDr> stillunknown: wow, better, thanks 10:06:57 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 10:07:12 <Celestar> something tells me all those DIR_Ns might want to be DIR_INVALIDs, but that's for Darkvater to decide 10:07:17 *** nairan|ZZzzz is now known as nairan 10:09:02 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7943 /branches/cpp/src/airport_movement.h: [cpp] - Fix:[cpp] - Fix: some more warnings sorted (stillunknown) 10:14:40 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 10:18:48 <rfalke> Wolf01: thanks for the comment 10:19:16 <stillunknown> are goto's debugable? 10:19:55 <KUDr> yes 10:19:56 <Celestar> yes stillunknown 10:20:43 <stillunknown> i defined a breakpoint, but that doesn't seem to give me information about what called that breakpoint 10:20:49 <stillunknown> i mean goto 10:21:19 <KUDr> you can't see from were it jumped 10:21:28 <KUDr> it is not gosub 10:21:37 <KUDr> just goto 10:26:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387D178.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:34:47 <caladan> stillunknown: cannot see that in debug, cause no information about returning adress has been stored on stack 10:35:11 <Celestar> because there is no returning address :P 10:35:18 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:35:19 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 10:35:55 <caladan> yeah, just a plain jmp 10:36:00 <caladan> or some conditional 10:36:18 <Celestar> Brianetta: are you around? 10:38:21 <Celestar> what the URL to Brainetta's server and stuff? 10:39:27 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:39:33 <scia> ppcis.org/standard 10:39:42 <Celestar> thanks 10:39:57 <scia> np 10:40:32 <caladan> there's some synchro problem with 0.5.0rc2 in late years, isnt there? 10:40:50 <peter1138> yea 10:41:00 <Celestar> appears so 10:41:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 10:42:07 *** ufoun [~ha@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: ufoun] 10:43:50 <caladan> huh, does ufo destroy railway crossings? 10:43:56 <caladan> and does it land in cities? 10:44:38 <HMage> can I contact UFO to land on competitor's station? 10:44:49 <HMage> I'd be willing to pay m 10:45:20 <HMage> is there a patch for openttd to integrate x-com into it? :D 10:45:57 <caladan> ok, i solved the mystery... 10:46:10 * HMage has to resist the urge adding a funny bug report: "My train doesn't respawn after crash" 10:46:29 <caladan> ufo must have landed there when there was no city, so the city built itself on clear land... 10:46:52 <HMage> ufos don't stay on the ground for long 10:47:13 <caladan> they are destroyed by xcom ;] 10:47:55 <HMage> yeah, and everyone who wants to exploit that is deal with by Section One 10:48:45 <HMage> there's a section one operative in Dundridge Transport, he's one of the managers 10:48:55 <HMage> is dealt* 10:49:00 <HMage> I love my french skills 10:51:55 <Darkvater> morning 10:52:08 * Darkvater hopes to get RC3 up and running before I have to leave today 10:54:37 <KUDr> gm master 10:54:38 <BurningFeetMan> Got bored and went exploring my backyard with a torch. Found 3 frogs, one the size of my fist :S and a mouse. Mouse was too quick though, so no idea if he was a native. 10:54:53 <HMage> "Each new RC a day, makes you feel away." 10:56:26 <Darkvater> morning KUDr 10:57:38 <rfalke> Darkvater: how many more RC to you plan? 10:57:51 <Darkvater> final - 1 11:00:34 <rfalke> ok than let me ask: what bugs are there in rc2? 11:01:29 <peter1138> "a few" 11:01:33 <caladan> look @ bugs.openttd.org 11:01:57 <caladan> want to get a lot of money instantly? :> 11:02:20 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 11:03:39 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC54A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:07:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> wha... i think i broke something... 11:07:27 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:07:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> how would i go and get a backtrace? 11:07:49 <Darkvater> bt 11:07:56 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 11:08:17 <Gonozal_VIII> unbreak it 11:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> that does not help me at all 11:13:36 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:15:28 <KUDr> heh, just did profiling round and wonder: TrainCheckIfLineEnds=8% > YAPF=5.4% 11:16:18 <KUDr> How can TrainCheckIfLineEnds take more than PF when PF does the same check much more offten? 11:16:19 <Gonozal_VIII> the whole path needs less calculating than one tile? 11:16:27 <KUDr> yes 11:16:30 <KUDr> crazy 11:17:14 <Gonozal_VIII> why is that even needet with yapf checking the path? 11:17:17 <KUDr> and of course, our winner: 11:17:18 <Gonozal_VIII> -t+d 11:17:21 <KUDr> CheckTrainCollision 28.334 0.268 3174 30 11:17:31 <KUDr> 28% collision test 11:18:03 <KUDr> Gonozal_VIII: yapf is invoked on junctions 11:18:18 <KUDr> but line can end anywhere 11:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> TrainCheckIfLineEnds does more than just checking, i think 11:18:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> and it is called for each step the vehicle does on the end tile 11:18:37 <KUDr> reversing 11:18:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> i.e. 16 times 11:18:47 <KUDr> but it doesn't happe too often 11:18:50 *** rfalke is now known as rfalke_away 11:18:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm 11:19:16 <caladan> huh, got to optimize that if it's like this 11:19:19 <KUDr> but it sounds crazy 11:19:31 <KUDr> how can line end at middle of tile? 11:19:40 <KUDr> it then only returns silently 11:20:09 <KUDr> there is patch for collider on the forum 11:20:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> it does some speed adjustments while approaching the end 11:20:21 <Gonozal_VIII> check 16 times per tile if the line ends there :S tracks can't change with the train on them anyways... 11:20:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> and it might do that also while approaching signals 11:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, back to my brokennes 11:21:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> s 11:21:50 <stillunknown> KUDr: did you find out why ships keep reversing? 11:22:10 <Gonozal_VIII> they slam into a wall anyways if there is a red signal... not very good use of all the calculations then 11:22:13 <KUDr> stillunknown: didn't look there, wait.. 11:23:20 <peter1138> heh, breakdown handling is in TrainCheckIfLineEnds? o_O 11:23:55 <Celestar> o_o 11:24:10 <Gonozal_VIII> which is called 16times per tile? could explain the number of breakdowns^^ 11:24:56 <Celestar> it makes little sense to call 16 times per tile 11:25:11 <Celestar> the tile cannot be altered while the train is in there anyway 11:25:14 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp233-166.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:25:16 <caladan> wow, during that rewriting to C++ i see many thing are found :D 11:25:17 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@ppp233-166.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [] 11:25:46 <hylje> rewrites tend to dig up many WTFs 11:26:42 <KUDr> stillunknown: good news is that i can repro it on windows 11:26:54 <peter1138> i like the way TrainCheckIfLineEnds returns true if it *doesn't* 11:27:05 <stillunknown> hylie: Makes you wonder who wrote that ;-) 11:27:06 <KUDr> yes 11:27:18 <caladan> btw, and offtopic, have you ever seen http://thedailywtf.com/ 11:27:28 <peter1138> yeah 11:27:32 <peter1138> it used to be good 11:27:32 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has left #openttd [] 11:27:42 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N734P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:04 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N940P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:28:10 <caladan> if you gat some "strange" pieces of code it may fit there :D 11:29:00 <Darkvater> o_O 11:29:06 <Darkvater> r7689, r7696, r7699, r7701, r7704, r7706, r7707, r7713, r7715, r7723, r7732, r7738, r7742, r7743, r7746, r7754, r7756, r7787, r7800, r7803, r7806, r7807, r7819, r7828, r7857, r7884, r7896, r7905 lang 11:29:27 <Darkvater> language file commits since dec 31st 11:29:43 <Celestar> wtf? 11:29:50 <Hinrik> how many strings are missing from Icelandic? 11:29:58 <Darkvater> Celestar: DON't say a word 11:30:09 * Celestar is sealed 11:30:47 <Darkvater> peter1138: do you think r7758 we should backport? 11:30:55 <Darkvater> eg spritegroup allocation 16 > 512 11:31:30 <Hinrik> who do I talk to if I want to help out with translations? mihamix? 11:31:40 <Celestar> Hinrik: mikk36[EST] 11:31:46 <Celestar> Hinrik: MiHaMiX 11:31:54 <Hinrik> k 11:32:23 <peter1138> Darkvater: i want r7711, r7795, r7831, r7864 ;) 11:32:29 <peter1138> Darkvater: can do. it's only a tiny change 11:32:33 <peter1138> it doesn't actually fix anything though 11:32:42 <Darkvater> peter1138: already got those all 11:33:13 <peter1138> good oh 11:34:12 <Darkvater> you also want 7692 11:34:23 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7944 /branches/0.5/ (newgrf_config.c newgrf_config.h players.c): 11:34:23 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7692): 11:34:23 <CIA-1> - -OpenTTD didn't compile without network enabled (newgrf sync code) 11:35:03 <Darkvater> Rubidium_: r7727 (SDL+FF) is that fully fixed? Cause I heard some people still complain at times in here 11:36:36 <KUDr> stillunknown: try to switch on 'YAPF for ships' << this should solve the problem (OPF is broken) 11:37:26 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7945 /branches/0.5/ (misc_gui.c window.h): 11:37:26 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7700): 11:37:26 <CIA-1> - Caret randomly jumping back&forth for new randomseed (r7182) 11:37:36 <peter1138> Darkvater: eh, probably, i didn't write that ;p 11:38:20 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 11:38:23 <peter1138> hmm, r7606? 11:38:30 <peter1138> i thought that was in 11:38:48 <Darkvater> that's in 11:38:49 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-b66370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:38:52 <peter1138> ah 11:38:58 <peter1138> ok 11:39:06 <peter1138> i was looking in the change log :) 11:39:22 <Darkvater> I haven't put anything in there for between RC1 and RC2 11:39:27 <Darkvater> those changes are on the forum though 11:39:27 <peter1138> righto 11:40:42 <Darkvater> dialup? 11:41:06 <Rubidium_> Darkvater: no, not yet 11:41:33 <Darkvater> so backport or not? 11:42:07 <Darkvater> gaah my desktop is too small :( 11:42:12 <Darkvater> or too many windows 11:42:23 <Rubidium_> I'll look at the updated patch and tell you in a moment, ok? 11:42:31 <Darkvater> k 11:42:56 <peter1138> hmm? 11:45:01 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-10.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:45:10 *** BobingAbout [~BobingAbo@adsl-83-100-172-10.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 11:45:25 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:47:08 <Darkvater> fuuuck 11:47:12 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has joined #openttd 11:47:27 <Darkvater> this whole makefilerewrite seriously fucks up backporting :( 11:47:32 <Darkvater> all the source files are somewhere else 11:47:39 <Darkvater> Skipped missing target: 'src\newgrf_config.c' 11:48:22 <Darkvater> hehe 11:48:39 <Darkvater> svn merge -r -c 7795 svn://svn.openttd.org/trunk/SRC :D 11:48:43 <Darkvater> isntead of just /trunk 11:49:13 <hylje> heh 11:50:45 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 11:51:10 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 11:53:15 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7946 /branches/0.5/ (newgrf.c newgrf_config.c): 11:53:15 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7711, r7795, r7831): 11:53:15 <CIA-1> - NewGRF Action 7, GRF check condition 10 didn't ignore unknown GRF IDs (r7354) 11:53:15 <CIA-1> - NewGRF safety scan fixes action E (allow unifont.grf) and Action 0 prop D (bridge) (r7795, r7831) 11:53:46 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 11:54:01 <Darkvater> ugh the pathfind fixes :s 11:54:07 <Darkvater> damn you bridge merge! 11:54:43 <hylje> :o 11:56:41 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N940P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:02 <Darkvater> peter1138: can you check something for me? 11:57:46 <Darkvater> peter1138: http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/openttd/signal_propagation.diff << if this is correct 11:57:51 <Darkvater> (signal propagation) 11:57:56 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:58:13 <Darkvater> merge of (r7716) r7717 and r7718 11:58:14 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N820P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:59:31 <Rubidium_> Darkvater: I don't see what that extra fast-forward fix should really fix. The only thing it does is not running in fastforward when the tab is pressed the first 150 ms after the window gets input focus. I think there is some bug in the window-manager the user who has this issue, which gives the application the focus too early. 11:59:35 <Darkvater> they ignore railtypes right? 11:59:55 <Darkvater> Rubidium_: good, then I'll just commit 7727 only 12:00:01 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:00:01 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 12:04:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host91-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:50 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7947 /branches/0.5/video/sdl_v.c: 12:05:50 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7727): 12:05:50 <CIA-1> - [sdl] sometimes ALT-TAB could trigger the fast forward 12:06:06 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 12:06:13 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:22 *** TheCondor [~thecondor@h74082.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:06:26 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:30 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:06:36 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7948 /branches/0.5/date.c: 12:06:36 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7731): 12:06:36 <CIA-1> - off-by-one error in the date to YMD calculation for first 4 years of a century that was not divisable by 400 12:07:09 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7949 /branches/0.5/genworld_gui.c: 12:07:09 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7733): 12:07:09 <CIA-1> - do not use WP(w, querystr_d) and WP(w, def_d) for the same window 12:09:52 <Darkvater> cause the pathfind thing fix is probably bad cause of bridge merge :( 12:10:03 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-207.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:10:44 <stillunknown> a uint, is that a 32 or a 16? 12:11:21 <Nigel> errr, i thought if you did a svn merge, you didn't have commit each and every one seperately 12:11:57 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7950 /branches/0.5/ (gfxinit.c newgrf.c): 12:11:57 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7760, r7766): 12:11:57 <CIA-1> - Sprite usage debug message showed the starting sprite, not current sprite, and only do this during activation (r7760). 12:11:57 <CIA-1> - [OSX] Remove incorrect debug message about missing grf files. 12:12:06 <stillunknown> Nigel: he's backporting stuff 12:12:15 <stillunknown> bugfixes 12:12:36 <Nigel> yeah, i'm just thinking along the lines of all at once, i dunno 12:13:05 <stillunknown> KUDr: are you here? 12:13:14 <KUDr> yes 12:13:21 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ac4.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:13:25 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 12:13:46 <stillunknown> KUDr: findfirstbit doesn't work on int32? 12:13:59 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7951 /branches/0.5/ (rail_gui.c station_cmd.c): 12:13:59 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7810, r7812): 12:13:59 <CIA-1> - Building airport whose size exceeds max station spread-out caused assert. (r7810) 12:13:59 <CIA-1> - rail station build window was not correctly updated after station_spread change (r7812) 12:14:00 <KUDr> no 12:14:20 <stillunknown> pathfind.cpp 12:14:26 <stillunknown> line 137 12:14:30 <stillunknown> variable i and bits 12:14:39 <stillunknown> is that ok? 12:14:53 <stillunknown> i don't men line 137 12:15:19 <stillunknown> line 333 12:15:24 <stillunknown> and nearby 12:15:31 <KUDr> it isn't ok, but it was always so 12:15:38 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7952 /branches/0.5/news_gui.c: 12:15:38 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7823, r7861): 12:15:38 <CIA-1> - News windows could still crash due to moving news items around while a news window was still open. 12:15:42 <KUDr> i am there with debugger atm 12:15:53 <stillunknown> it's just that model1 is used for water 12:16:01 <KUDr> bits = GetTileTrackStatus 12:16:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:07 <KUDr> so it is uint 12:16:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:16:17 <KUDr> mode2 12:16:20 <KUDr> for water 12:16:35 <stillunknown> your right 12:16:43 <stillunknown> i thought the assert was different 12:16:56 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7953 /branches/0.5/ (ottdres.rc win32.c): 12:16:56 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7840, r7843): 12:16:56 <CIA-1> - [win32] Update crash window text (+crash.dmp -submit) 12:17:00 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 12:17:00 <KUDr> it gets masked: bits = (byte)((bits | (bits >> 8)) & _bits_mask[direction]); 12:17:53 <KUDr> hmm: 12:17:58 <KUDr> if ( (bits & (bits - 1)) == 0 ) 12:18:00 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 12:18:07 <KUDr> nice test 12:18:12 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7954 /branches/0.5/train_gui.c: 12:18:12 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7864): 12:18:12 <CIA-1> - offset engines/wagons by half width in details window; fixes overflowing for display 12:18:14 <KUDr> for one bit only 12:19:20 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7955 /branches/0.5/video/cocoa_v.m: 12:19:20 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7886): 12:19:20 <CIA-1> - [osx] control+enter no longer fullscreens, interfered with team-chat. 12:20:12 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7956 /branches/0.5/newgrf.c: 12:20:12 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7930): 12:20:12 <CIA-1> - wrong TTDPatch GRF flag was set for gradual loading 12:21:02 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7957 /branches/0.5/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: 12:21:02 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7936): 12:21:02 <CIA-1> - Only update the signals and YAPF cache on a DC_EXEC action for bridge-building 12:21:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host91-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 12:23:03 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:23:03 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:08 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 12:28:02 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:28:16 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:59 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 12:32:31 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:31 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 12:32:31 *** helb_ [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:22 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-b66370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:02 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-b66370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:34:59 <stillunknown> Rubidium: maybe a debug mode 4 would be nice, with no optimizations at all 12:36:10 <Darkvater> that's what 3 was for 12:36:24 <stillunknown> then it needs fixing :-) 12:37:31 <stillunknown> by default any gcc version greater than 29 has a -O option 12:37:43 <stillunknown> which overrides the -O0 level 3 gives 12:39:17 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 12:40:25 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489DD84.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:40:49 <HMage> LOL... Modern english lessons: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=very-fucking-engrish-lesson.jpg&category=Adult%20Engrish&date=2004-06-11 12:42:35 <Rubidium_> stillunknown: it is already fixed 12:44:30 <Bjarni> Darkvater: preparing for RC3? 12:44:34 *** roboboy_ [~leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:44:45 <stillunknown> he is 12:44:51 <CIA-1> matthijs * r7958 /branches/0.5/os/debian/changelog: - [Debian] Prepare debian packing files for 0.5.0-rc3 12:45:28 <Bjarni> ETA? 12:45:37 <Bjarni> minutes? hours? 12:45:45 <Bjarni> sec? :P 12:46:22 <stillunknown> before Darkvater leaves (today) 12:46:38 <Darkvater> someone needs to proofread/fix the pathfind fix though 12:46:43 <Darkvater> I've left that for alst 12:47:50 *** rfalke_away [~hawk@p5489FEE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:48:45 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:48:48 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:48:52 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 12:49:16 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 12:55:31 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7886F.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:01:00 <CIA-1> truelight * r7959 /trunk/config.lib: 13:01:00 <CIA-1> [Configure] -Fix: OS2-gcc needs to get stripping via gcc, because it needs to be feed to emxbind at link-time. 13:01:00 <CIA-1> emxbind changes 'emx a.out' format to 'LX for OS/2 (MS-DOS)'. After this, all gcc and binutils tools for emx can no longer read the binary. 13:01:00 <CIA-1> Therefor emxbind needs to do the stripping while converting it. Logic, aint it? :) 13:01:13 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has joined #openttd 13:04:03 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7960 /branches/cpp/src/ship_cmd.cpp: [cpp] - Fix: [OPF] ship pathfinding broken (stillunknown) 13:06:43 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:06:58 <stillunknown> KUDr: is that a "enum" issue? 13:07:15 <KUDr> depends 13:07:26 <stillunknown> was 0 invalid before? 13:07:39 <KUDr> no 13:07:43 <KUDr> there was byte 13:07:50 <KUDr> or no 13:07:58 <KUDr> there were -1 s assigned 13:08:05 <KUDr> instead of INVALID_TRACK 13:08:12 <KUDr> so it is my fault 13:08:36 <KUDr> i replaced -1 by INVALID_TRACK 13:08:50 <KUDr> and didn't check how it is compared 13:09:03 <KUDr> >= then didn't work 13:11:00 <stillunknown> KUDr: so it now works on all main platforms? 13:13:12 <CIA-1> truelight * r7961 /trunk/ (config.lib configure): [Configure] -Fix: "" in config params didn't survive --reconfig. They should now. 13:14:37 <KUDr> stillunknown: dunno 13:14:51 <stillunknown> windows, gnu/linux, osx 13:15:00 <KUDr> but mac, linux and win32 yes 13:15:30 <KUDr> if morphos or os2 are not main platforms, i dunno 13:15:47 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-b66370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:16:25 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-b66370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:16:36 <stillunknown> maybe now is the time to put some of the trunk stuff into cpp (from the last few days) 13:16:52 <KUDr> there is no reason why it should not work on any platform that supports c++, but i can't port it to all of them 13:17:10 <KUDr> maybe 13:17:25 <KUDr> i wonder how diificult it will be 13:17:36 <KUDr> since the files were renamed 13:17:50 <stillunknown> i have an idea :-) 13:18:01 <KUDr> rename them back? 13:18:05 <stillunknown> no 13:18:21 <stillunknown> make a diff and renamce the names in the diff 13:18:29 <KUDr> ahh 13:18:34 <KUDr> good idea 13:19:42 <blathijs> Or you could merge all changes in the cpp branch into a trunk checkout (at the rev where cpp was created) and then do "svn up" 13:19:56 <blathijs> It might properly track name changes, though I'm not sure 13:20:10 <stillunknown> i get a lot of deletes when moving happens 13:20:56 <stillunknown> it didn't do that when the makefile change happened 13:22:25 <KUDr> blathijs: will it work? 13:22:37 <blathijs> KUDr: I'm not sure 13:22:58 <blathijs> worth trying, since it will more easily mark failed merges (patch will just reject them) 13:23:06 <KUDr> yeah 13:23:51 <Rubidium_> what about modifying the patch and apply it in the rev after the big rename, the svn up (then svn will mark conflicts) 13:24:41 <KUDr> hmm 13:24:58 <KUDr> i will try what i can do 13:25:06 <stillunknown> i'm going to try too 13:34:36 *** Rens2Sea is now known as Rens2AFK 13:41:42 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176119214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:49:12 <Darkvater> phew 13:50:06 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7962 /branches/0.5/ (29 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 13:50:06 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7689, r7696, r7699, r7701, r7704, r7706, r7707, r7713, 13:50:06 <CIA-1> r7715, r7723, r7732, r7738, r7742, r7743, r7746, r7754, r7756, r7787, r7800, 13:50:06 <CIA-1> r7803, r7806, r7807, r7819, r7828, r7857, r7884, r7896, r7905): 13:50:06 <CIA-1> - Language file updates. 13:50:08 <CIA-1> - Untranslated strings: Icelandic (217!), Hungarian (2), Galician (140), Finnish (3), 13:50:10 <CIA-1> Brazilian-Portugese (3). 13:51:23 <Darkvater> do NOT ever do this to me again 13:51:43 <Darkvater> peter1138: still around? 13:52:07 <blathijs> hurrah for Darkvater :-) 13:54:09 <Darkvater> peter1138: should we backport your sprite limit increase ^^ 13:55:12 <Darkvater> now 13:55:28 <Darkvater> KUDr: do you still remember what you said the last time I was backporting the signal propagation changes? 13:55:43 <KUDr> yes 13:55:54 <KUDr> but peter replaced it 13:56:01 <KUDr> by better patch 13:56:29 <Darkvater> yes but that has the same crash as last time with yours before we got that fixed 13:56:47 <KUDr> i know 13:57:15 <KUDr> but my fix for different rail types was incomplete 13:57:26 <Darkvater> hmm I seem to have fixed it... for not crashing 13:57:33 <KUDr> it is not called when converting 13:57:40 <Darkvater> http://darkvater.homeip.net/~tfarago/openttd/signal_propagation.diff 13:57:47 <KUDr> aha 13:58:13 <KUDr> you mean train crashes one belowe and one on bridge? 13:58:13 <Darkvater> am I correct in assuming that it'll work if I remove the 'else if (IsBridge(tile)' at the bottom? 13:58:19 *** dasy2k1 [~das@88-106-11-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 13:59:12 <Darkvater> hmm why is my openttd trying to send an UDP packet when it's running in the title screen?? 13:59:21 <KUDr> it is that my diff? 13:59:33 <Darkvater> no that's peter's diff backported to 0.5 13:59:40 <Darkvater> but it's a post-bridge-merge diff 14:00:32 <KUDr> ahh 14:00:54 <KUDr> you mean remove only the if clause from the else block 14:00:58 <KUDr> not whole else block 14:01:02 <KUDr> correct? 14:01:41 <Darkvater> remove 14:01:42 <Darkvater> + } else if (IsBridge(tile)) { 14:01:42 <Darkvater> + if (GetBridgeRampDirection(tile) != direction || 14:01:42 <Darkvater> + GetBridgeTransportType(tile) != tpf->tracktype) { 14:01:43 <Darkvater> + return; 14:01:45 <Darkvater> this part 14:01:52 <Darkvater> since bridges are not warp-holes 14:02:06 <qball> hmmm that c/p always triggers a highlight 14:02:09 <KUDr> really? 14:02:22 <KUDr> before bridges got merget 14:02:33 <KUDr> they dad no wormholes? 14:02:39 <Darkvater> bridges not 14:02:43 <Darkvater> only tunnels 14:02:49 <KUDr> hmm 14:02:53 <Darkvater> that's why you could do almost nothing below bridges 14:02:59 <Darkvater> _m[] was simply full 14:03:10 <KUDr> assumming that you are right yes, remove it 14:03:24 <Darkvater> well if I don't remove it the game crashes ;p 14:03:38 <KUDr> aha 14:03:44 <Darkvater> but do you see the first hunk? 14:03:46 <KUDr> but why? 14:04:04 <Darkvater> it was tracktype==road || trakctype==rail 14:04:07 <Darkvater> that is now only rail 14:04:14 <KUDr> aha 14:04:20 <Darkvater> is that good? 14:04:21 <Darkvater> dammit 14:04:22 <Darkvater> peter1138: ! 14:04:37 <Darkvater> I hate manually merging stuff when I have no idea what's going on 14:05:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:05:55 <KUDr> road part removed.. 14:06:13 <KUDr> - } else if (tpf->tracktype == TRANSPORT_ROAD) { 14:06:13 <KUDr> - /* road stops and depots now have a track (r4419) */ 14:06:13 <KUDr> - /* don't enter road stop from the back */ 14:06:13 <KUDr> - if (IsRoadStopTile(tile) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadStopDir(tile)) != direction) goto no_way; 14:06:13 <KUDr> - /* don't enter road depot from the back */ 14:06:14 <KUDr> - if (IsTileDepotType(tile, TRANSPORT_ROAD) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadDepotDirection(tile)) != direction) goto no_way; 14:06:14 <KUDr> - } 14:06:32 <KUDr> aha, no 14:06:34 <KUDr> correct 14:06:38 <KUDr> it is replaced 14:06:45 <KUDr> + if (tpf->tracktype == TRANSPORT_ROAD) { 14:06:45 <KUDr> + // road stops and depots now have a track (r4419) 14:06:45 <KUDr> + // don't enter road stop from the back 14:06:45 <KUDr> + if (IsRoadStopTile(tile) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadStopDir(tile)) != direction) return; 14:06:45 <KUDr> + // don't enter road depot from the back 14:06:46 <KUDr> + if (IsTileDepotType(tile, TRANSPORT_ROAD) && ReverseDiagDir(GetRoadDepotDirection(tile)) != direction) return; 14:06:46 <KUDr> + } 14:06:52 <Darkvater> just below, one tab less 14:07:01 <KUDr> yes 14:07:16 <KUDr> so it should be ok 14:07:18 <Darkvater> rail compatibility got removed 14:07:22 <KUDr> yes 14:07:37 <Darkvater> but that's ok cause peter said he removed it so the merge there is good 14:07:43 <KUDr> and one fix: 14:07:43 <KUDr> - tile = tile_org; 14:07:44 <KUDr> direction = ReverseDiagDir(direction); 14:07:44 <KUDr> + tile += TileOffsByDiagDir(direction); 14:07:50 <Darkvater> wheee, I got an email from Al Gore ^^ 14:07:52 <dasy2k1> is this the reason that you cant have signals below a bridge? 14:07:57 <Darkvater> yes 14:08:28 <Bjarni> Darkvater: rev 7887 could do with backporting as well 14:08:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 14:09:23 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 7887 14:09:25 <_42_> Commit by bjarni :: r7887 /trunk/src/stdafx.h (2007-01-05 20:46:53 UTC) 14:09:27 <_42_> -Fix: [OSX] Endian32_Swap should always return a uint32, not a long unsigned int 14:09:29 <_42_> This kills an OSX specific warning in newgrf_config.c 14:09:31 <_42_> Ensured that Endian16_Swap returns uint16 as well, even though that one didn't result in any warnings (yet) 14:09:44 <Darkvater> just a compile-warning for the compile-farm 14:09:51 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18041.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:09:54 <Bjarni> and for OSX itself 14:10:06 <Darkvater> it doesn't fix anything, nor adds anything 14:10:10 <Darkvater> would like to keep it to a minimum 14:10:17 <dasy2k1> im struggling to compile openttd on knoppix, any suggestions? 14:10:18 <Bjarni> ok 14:10:40 <Darkvater> ok, I'll commit and ask later about pathfind 14:11:01 <stillunknown> there have been a huge amount of changes in the last few days, a lot of language stuff though 14:11:08 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7963 /branches/0.5/pathfind.c: 14:11:08 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7716, r7717, r7718): 14:11:08 <CIA-1> - Bad signal propagation through tunnel-ends, incompatible railtype signal propagation 14:11:08 <CIA-1> still possible (not fixed). 14:12:12 <Bjarni> heh. Nice post in the RC2 thread. Is the problem with his or MiHaMiX's email :) 14:13:32 <Maedhros> dasy2k1: that depends on what you mean by "struggle". without any details, we can't help much ;) 14:13:38 <Bjarni> or just that MiHaMiX got tons to emails to go though and that he is not done yet 14:14:23 <dasy2k1> ok i wil brb so i cna copy and paste the errors 14:14:26 *** dasy2k1 [~das@88-106-11-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 14:14:30 *** setrodox [~setrodox@83-65-234-231.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 14:15:05 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB6C0D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:15:08 *** dasy2k1 [~knoppix@88-106-11-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:15:14 <dasy2k1> ok im back 14:15:20 <Bjarni> we noticed 14:15:24 <Bjarni> :) 14:16:08 <Bjarni> you were sadly missed for 48 sec 14:16:08 <dasy2k1> ok long errror listy coming up 14:16:12 <dasy2k1> lol 14:16:16 <dasy2k1> knoppix@1[openttd-miniIN]$ make 14:16:16 <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svnversion: command not found 14:16:16 <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svn: command not found 14:16:16 <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found 14:16:16 <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found 14:16:17 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-b66370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:18 <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found 14:16:19 <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found 14:16:21 <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found 14:16:23 <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found 14:16:25 <Darkvater> crap gotta go 14:16:25 <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path. 14:16:29 <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc' 14:16:29 <Darkvater> well release tonight then 14:16:31 <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable 14:16:33 <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found 14:16:35 <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path. 14:16:37 <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc' 14:16:39 <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable 14:16:41 <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found 14:16:43 <dasy2k1> ===> Generating table/strings.h 14:16:45 <dasy2k1> ===> DEP rev.c 14:16:47 <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svnversion: command not found 14:16:49 <dasy2k1> /bin/sh: svn: command not found 14:16:51 <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found 14:16:53 <dasy2k1> make: sdl-config: Command not found 14:16:54 <Bjarni> bye Darkvater 14:16:55 <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found 14:16:59 <dasy2k1> make: libpng-config: Command not found 14:16:59 <Bjarni> when will you be back? 14:17:01 <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found 14:17:02 <Maedhros> o_O 14:17:03 <dasy2k1> make: freetype-config: Command not found 14:17:05 <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path. 14:17:07 <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc' 14:17:09 <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable 14:17:11 <Bjarni> dasy2k1: please never do that again 14:17:11 <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found 14:17:13 <dasy2k1> Package fontconfig was not found in the pkg-config search path. 14:17:15 <dasy2k1> Perhaps you should add the directory containing `fontconfig.pc' 14:17:17 <dasy2k1> to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable 14:17:19 <dasy2k1> No package 'fontconfig' found 14:17:21 <dasy2k1> ===> Generating table/strings.h 14:17:23 <dasy2k1> ===> Compiling fontcache.c 14:17:25 <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:17:22: error: ft2build.h: No such file or directory 14:17:29 <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:18:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME> 14:17:31 <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:19:10: error: #include expects "FILENAME" or <FILENAME> 14:17:33 <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:22:35: error: fontconfig/fontconfig.h: No such file or directory 14:17:35 <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:25: error: syntax error before '_library' 14:17:37 <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:25: warning: type defaults to 'int' in declaration of '_library' 14:17:39 <dasy2k1> fontcache.c:25: warning: initialization makes integer from pointer without a cast 14:17:41 <dasy2k1> fontca 14:17:41 <Bjarni> ... 14:17:43 <dasy2k1> bue 14:17:45 <dasy2k1> *bye 14:17:47 <dasy2k1> which? 14:17:57 <Bjarni> paste that much in the channel 14:18:02 <dasy2k1> ok sorry 14:18:08 <Bjarni> that's why there are sites like pastebin.org 14:18:38 <dasy2k1> i have never come across sites like that before 14:18:42 <Bjarni> it looks like you miss a whole lot of libs 14:18:48 <dasy2k1> thans for introducing them 14:19:59 <dasy2k1> hmm probabnly a problem with knoppix 14:19:59 <Bjarni> well, first of all, ensure that you got SDL or you will not be able to get a graphical interface 14:20:27 <peter1138> run ./configure, heh 14:20:28 <dasy2k1> when i get my replacement HDD i will install a proper OS 14:20:35 <peter1138> and also, install dependencies 14:20:41 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB58A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:21:35 <dasy2k1> yeh it seems that knoppix iant bundled with sdl 14:21:48 <dasy2k1> ok well 14:21:57 <Bjarni> add it or you will only be able to get dedicated servers 14:22:02 <dasy2k1> i wil just have to use my old slow comp with fedora 14:22:04 <Bjarni> maybe you want one of those though 14:22:04 <Darkvater> peter1138: can you check r7963 for me? 14:22:11 <Darkvater> gotta run, bb later 14:22:30 <dasy2k1> little difficult installit anything libary wise with a live cd 14:22:37 <Bjarni> yeah 14:22:47 <Bjarni> you need to make a new CD 14:23:11 <dasy2k1> i think i will wait till my HDD arrives then isnatll fedora 14:23:18 <Bjarni> heh, I remember when I tried knoppix with DistCC... great idea... didn't support my ethernet card though 14:23:34 <Bjarni> that kind of spoiled the idea 14:23:35 <stillunknown> KUDr: i was able to merge the changes 14:23:46 <KUDr> good 14:24:01 <stillunknown> are you almost done? 14:24:05 <dasy2k1> on a totally differnt question how do you merge a .diff file into a build? 14:24:19 <Bjarni> patch -p0 -i file.diff 14:24:21 <KUDr> stillunknown: few simple conflicts 14:24:27 <dasy2k1> thanks 14:24:34 <peter1138> Darkvater: hee, looks ok, i think 14:24:47 <peter1138> you patch a diff into the source 14:25:02 <peter1138> the build is... well, built 14:25:18 * peter1138 turns off his pedanticism 14:25:23 <Bjarni> you can use patch -p0 < file.diff, but I stopped doing that when I turned the < the wrong way and deleted my diff file :s 14:26:00 <dasy2k1> oops 14:26:14 <Bjarni> well, I had to redownload it, but still 14:26:20 <dasy2k1> thats allways easy to do with that type of pipe 14:26:47 <Bjarni> imagine if it were my own diff and I didn't have a backup 14:26:54 <dasy2k1> yeh nasty 14:27:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:26 <dasy2k1> when i code stuff i keep a copy of the code as a plan text file that is away from the compile area 14:27:34 <dasy2k1> *plain 14:27:44 <Bjarni> that's not needed with svn 14:27:59 <dasy2k1> true 14:28:06 <peter1138> ... 14:28:11 <Bjarni> but making diff files once in a while is a good idea 14:28:11 <peter1138> the code *is* a plain text file... 14:28:18 <Maedhros> i've svn reverted all my changes by accident before... 14:28:34 <dasy2k1> but sadly my coding skills are nowhere near anywhere near where i need svn 14:29:12 <stillunknown> Maedhros: you are involved with newhouses iirc? 14:29:13 <Bjarni> dasy2k1: may I recommend "hello world" 14:29:14 <dasy2k1> i know that it is,, i just mean saving with a diffent extention somwhere elce (not that the eatention means anything on *nix) 14:29:37 <Maedhros> stillunknown: i am indeed 14:29:44 <dasy2k1> lol 14:30:11 <stillunknown> Maedhros: you know it asserts every time there is a day in the week? 14:30:33 <Maedhros> really? 14:30:44 <Maedhros> hmm... that's odd :o 14:30:55 <stillunknown> takes a few game months 14:31:20 <stillunknown> problematic are the stock building for one 14:31:29 <stillunknown> in ttrs 14:31:33 <Maedhros> yeah, ttrs3 isn't fully supported yet 14:31:45 <Maedhros> it shouldn't assert though 14:31:59 <stillunknown> the stock building demolishes 14:32:08 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 14:32:11 <stillunknown> but a building site "icon" stays 14:32:15 <dasy2k1> http://www.pastebin.org/ seems to be nothing to do with somwhere where you can paste random stuff and link to it 14:32:29 <stillunknown> somehow the tile associated with the building is out of the map 14:33:13 <peter1138> every time there is a day in the week < so always? 14:33:20 <peter1138> is there ever a time a week has no days? 14:33:42 <Bjarni> good question 14:33:42 <stillunknown> no, it was a joke 14:33:50 <Bjarni> we once had a week with 8 days in it 14:34:03 <Bjarni> so we got two Sundays in a single week 14:34:12 <peter1138> that sounds like a good plan 14:34:15 <peter1138> i'd extend it though 14:34:21 <dasy2k1> yeh cool 14:34:30 <dasy2k1> a 3 day weekend 14:34:49 <Maedhros> dasy2k1: pastebin.com, pastebin.ca, and rafb.net/paste do though 14:34:53 <stillunknown> dasy2k1: try pastebin.com or rafb.net or many other places that exist 14:35:11 <Bjarni> the reason was that we used to start a new week on Sundays, but then somebody (EU?) decided that companies would benefit from an international standard where all weeks starts on a Monday and to convert to the new system, we had to have a week with two Sundays 14:35:27 <dasy2k1> LOL 14:35:58 <peter1138> well that makes no sense 14:36:28 <Bjarni> I can remember when the calendars showed Sundays as the first day of the week, so it's not that long ago 14:36:39 <Bjarni> or maybe I'm just old :P 14:36:56 <peter1138> yes 14:37:04 <dasy2k1> everyone does it diffentntly 14:37:07 <Bjarni> well, one doesn't rule out the other 14:37:10 <peter1138> but changing the start of the week has no consequence to the days themselves 14:37:29 <dasy2k1> i know somone who said that the week ended on friday and the new one started on saturday 14:37:34 <peter1138> sunday/monday week start is purely a personal preference 14:37:49 <peter1138> maybe it's one of those "forced defaults" DaleStan likes to talk about... 14:37:57 <Bjarni> no, but they wanted the Sunday in week X to be the same in call countries, not one date in one country and another one in another country 14:38:01 <Bjarni> to avoid mistakes 14:38:20 <dasy2k1> ah 14:38:29 <dasy2k1> i never bother with week numbers 14:38:39 <Bjarni> companies do 14:38:54 <peter1138> but that meant you days are different 14:38:58 <peter1138> so who fucked that one up? 14:39:05 <peter1138> *your 14:39:20 <peter1138> danish, feh ;p 14:39:45 <Bjarni> I didn't say that 14:39:56 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-205-157.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 14:39:56 <Bjarni> a Sunday is a Sunday everywhere and that never changed 14:40:04 <dasy2k1> so what day and date do you make it? 14:40:45 <peter1138> if you had 8 days in a week, and two sundays 14:40:45 <peter1138> if you had 8 days in a week, and two sundit must bhave been wrong at some point 14:40:51 <peter1138> wtf 14:41:12 <dasy2k1> gah my computer makes it the first of july!!! 14:41:32 <dasy2k1> stupid american date format! 14:41:45 * peter1138 >off 14:41:48 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-213-249-225-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:44:06 <KUDr> Darkvater: tunnelbridge_cmd.c around 374: 14:44:07 <KUDr> Axis axis = AxisToTrack(direction); 14:44:25 *** dasy2k1 [~knoppix@88-106-11-141.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #openttd [got to go now back later] 14:44:32 <stillunknown> AxisToTrack returns a "Track" type 14:44:41 <KUDr> after merging it to [cpp] there is: 14:44:43 <KUDr> p:\proj\svn\openttd\cpp\cur\src\tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp(374) : error C2440: 'initializing' : cannot convert from 'Track' to 'Axis' 14:45:16 <KUDr> All: do you see, why we should use CPP !? 14:45:23 <KUDr> ^^^ 14:46:17 <KUDr> Bjarni, peter1138: ^^^ 14:47:22 <KUDr> the same can happen to you too 14:47:36 <Bjarni> KUDr: Darkvater left 14:48:08 <peter1138> oh piss off 14:48:37 <stillunknown> Let's all be nice :-) 14:48:46 <Bjarni> I'm always nice 14:50:11 <Maedhros> stillunknown: do you have a savegame showing that assert that you can send me? 14:50:42 <stillunknown> you don't need a savegame, just start ttrs3 14:50:54 <stillunknown> it happens always 14:51:15 <Maedhros> i have. it's been running for 3 years so far, with no problems 14:51:20 <Bjarni> I once got such a bug report. Just do and then it crashes 14:51:24 <Bjarni> and it worked fine for me 14:51:29 <Bjarni> turned out to be CPU specific 14:51:32 <stillunknown> will make a savegame soon 14:52:26 <caladan> Bjarni: what CPU? 14:52:44 <Bjarni> PPC/x86 14:53:00 <caladan> ah..., ok 14:53:05 <Bjarni> or more likely: big endian vs little endian 14:53:49 <Bjarni> but "it happens every time, so just do it" and it worked for me... this is important to know when writing bug reports 14:55:09 <Bjarni> I once read about a (non-OTTD) bug that was not always present and it turned out that it was due to what time it was. When it passed 00 in minutes, it broke and got fixed when the number got higher than 30 or something. It had no logical connection to the clock though, so it took ages to figure out 14:55:30 <setrodox> heh 14:56:07 <stillunknown> Maedhros: post on bugtracker? 14:58:13 <Maedhros> if you can post it somewhere else that might be easier... 14:58:57 <Maedhros> the newhouses forum topic, maybe: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=28797 15:02:17 <Bjarni> http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/bus/1394/IP_1394.mspx <--- vista just keep getting "better" and "better" :D 15:03:06 <Sacro> i used to use that :( 15:03:28 <caladan> use linux instead :> 15:03:43 <Sacro> does that support it? 15:03:50 <Sacro> and using linux doesnt really help 15:03:56 <caladan> as far as i remember it does 15:03:59 <caladan> let me check 15:06:28 <caladan> yes it should work 15:06:39 <setrodox> yes, it does 15:06:52 <caladan> seen that in kernel few days ago 15:06:54 <Sacro> but thats no good for a network for windows games 15:07:00 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-207.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 15:07:15 <caladan> true, just dont buy vista ;] 15:07:20 <setrodox> i used it to bridge in a computer because i had no cat5e cable left ^^ 15:11:08 <Bjarni> I once used it to download stuff into a newly installed OS, so it got the security updates. The computer with the ethernet cable then acted as "firewall" so all incoming ports were blocked until security updates and firewall were in place 15:11:29 <Sacro> caladan: ill probably get it for free 15:11:30 <Bjarni> and I could not bridge ethernet to ethernet to make that happen 15:11:51 <stillunknown> Maedrhos: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=539125#539125 15:12:40 *** Digitalfox [~digitalfo@bl8-40-207.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:12:47 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 15:12:47 <Digitalfox> !logs 15:13:18 *** Belugas is now known as Belugas_Gone 15:14:04 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 15:14:09 <Maedhros> stillunknown: thanks 15:14:13 <MeusH> hello 15:14:28 <caladan> Sacro: I'm not going to install Vista until i have something stronger than Athlon64-3200 with 1GB RAM :D 15:14:47 <Sacro> caladan: heh, i have X2 4600+ with 2GB RAM 15:15:08 <Bjarni> I'm not going to install vista because... I don't need to do so :D 15:15:19 <caladan> Sacro: hope that's enough :D 15:15:32 <Sacro> i could add another 2 15:15:44 <Sacro> but im waiting for 2GB sticks to appear at a reasonable price 15:16:37 <caladan> Huh... So it's better to set up beryl :D 15:16:41 <caladan> TO have nice gfx 15:17:35 <stillunknown> but why, who really needs stuff like beryl? 15:17:48 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7964 /branches/cpp/ (37 files in 9 dirs): Sync with trunk (r7821:7961) 15:18:53 <caladan> Noone, that's just eye candy 15:19:18 <caladan> I always turn off most eye candys, cause they just disturb me 15:19:59 <stillunknown> AA is awfull, subpixel is yuck 15:20:17 <stillunknown> *subpixel AA 15:22:23 <stillunknown> caladan: you use a DE? 15:22:33 <caladan> hmm? DE? 15:22:46 <stillunknown> Desktop Environment 15:22:54 <caladan> i use KDE 15:23:01 <caladan> mostly 15:23:41 <stillunknown> yuck 15:23:50 <caladan> hehe 15:23:57 <caladan> i dont like gnome 15:24:14 <stillunknown> me neither 15:24:21 <caladan> and got quite fast machine, so i dont have to stick to WindowMaker or Xfce 15:24:43 <stillunknown> i used openbox for quite some time 15:24:53 <stillunknown> Then i switched to ion3. 15:25:03 <stillunknown> A pretty nice WM. 15:25:11 <stillunknown> (=Window Manager) 15:25:15 <caladan> Dont know these 15:25:23 <caladan> is it in portage? :D 15:25:35 <stillunknown> ion3 is outdated in portage possibly 15:26:29 <stillunknown> pretty outdated, better looks on b.g.o 15:26:32 <stillunknown> *look 15:26:44 <stillunknown> bugtracker 15:27:10 <stillunknown> but it's only usefull if you are willing to read a man page 15:27:29 <stillunknown> took me an hour before i knew the basic things, but after that it's nice 15:28:24 <caladan> Hmm, if i had to change my WM i would take WindowMaker of Xfce 15:29:43 <caladan> thou i merged KDE as kdebase-meta, so i dont have packages I downt want 15:34:52 <Smoovious> for bug-checking, which would you guys rather have us testing, RC2 or nightly? 15:35:18 <KUDr> RC3 15:35:33 <Smoovious> isn't up on the download page 15:35:55 <stillunknown> RC2 is bugged anyway 15:36:00 <KUDr> once will 15:36:13 <KUDr> DV wants to issue it today 15:36:17 <stillunknown> RC3 is nearby, 0.5 branch is what RC3 will become 15:36:24 <Smoovious> ok, I'll _try_ to hold out for it 15:36:31 * Smoovious starts getting a little jittery. 15:36:35 <Maedhros> can anyone involved with the bridge branch help me make sense of this traceback? http://rafb.net/p/RbwOqt84.html 15:36:47 <KUDr> Smoovious: checkout 0.5 15:37:21 <Smoovious> um, thanks, but I'm not up to speed on where everything is found, and if that is source, I can't compile yet 15:37:26 <Maedhros> this is what's causing the newhouses assert... 15:37:36 <peter1138> 12001 -> 65536? o_O 15:38:09 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0E642.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:25 <Maedhros> yeah, the value of tile is changing all over the place :-S 15:38:41 <peter1138> time to run with full debugging 15:38:42 <Rubidium_> Maedhros: I suspect that the bridge bits m6:6-7 are not cleared when destroying a house. 15:39:00 <Maedhros> ooh. good point 15:39:12 <peter1138> hmm 15:39:20 <peter1138> yeah 15:39:45 <KUDr> Smoovious: then you can help me to test [cpp] branch 15:39:56 <KUDr> in meanwhile 15:40:10 <peter1138> Maedhros: if you try with --debug-level=3 (i.e.slow) it'll probably have all the right values) 15:40:15 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 15:40:42 <stillunknown> depends how up to date the branch is 15:40:43 <Rubidium_> peter1138: probably not... the -O bug in trunk is still in newhouses 15:40:45 <Smoovious> KUDr, ok, fill me in 15:41:00 <KUDr> Smoovious: what OS? 15:41:08 <Smoovious> Win2k 15:41:20 <KUDr> ok 15:41:33 <blathijs> stillunknown: ion3 is quite nice indeed, yes 15:43:14 <Maedhros> peter1138: yeah, that was the result of using debug-level=3 - i tried it first without debugging symbols and ended up with a lot of '????' :) 15:43:43 <peter1138> oh, hehe 15:44:40 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0D4F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:34 <Rubidium_> Maedhros: shall I do a sync of newhouses, or are you doing it? 15:46:03 <Maedhros> i'm not going it at the moment, no 15:46:10 <Maedhros> err, doing 15:46:34 <peter1138> just take out the -O for now/ 15:46:35 <peter1138> ? 15:48:06 <CIA-1> rubidium * r7965 / (65 files in 11 dirs): [NewHouses] -Sync: with trunk r7782:7961. 15:49:19 *** KUDr_ [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 15:49:20 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:58 *** KUDr_ is now known as KUDr 15:50:17 <Maedhros> Rubidium_: thanks for doing that 15:51:50 *** Tron_ [~tron@p54A3ED05.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:06 <MeusH> hello Tron and Tron_ 15:52:32 *** Tron [~tron@p54A3CDCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:53:38 *** Tron_ is now known as Tron 15:57:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> yay, i think i got the bridges working with PBS ;) 15:59:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's not exactly nice, but that fits the style of PBS ;) 16:00:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> was there ever a fix to the "towns build roads under the bridge" thing? 16:01:08 <stillunknown> is that a bug? 16:01:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, they think they can continue the bridge ramp on the ground 16:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> so you end up with a road directly under the bridge 16:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the same direction 16:03:07 <Maedhros> stillunknown: please could you try and see if the assert still happens with this patch? it seems to work here 16:03:10 <Maedhros> http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/clear_map.diff 16:04:00 <Rubidium_> Maedhros: that destroys bridges when you clear any tile beneath a bridge 16:04:31 <Maedhros> grrr 16:06:27 <stillunknown> flying trains :-) 16:07:17 <stillunknown> but it doesn't seemt to assert, so you need to find a prettier way to do this 16:09:35 <Rubidium_> Maedhros: what about explicitly removing the bridge when clearing a MP_HOUSE tile? I think somewhere after line 1356 in town_cmd.c would work. 16:10:41 <Digitalfox> Pretty cool.. I didn't know that now we can destroy everything beneath a bridge and the bridge isn't destroyed, only is destroyed by the start of it 16:10:55 <Maedhros> Rubidium_: we'll have to do this for all non-bridgable tiles which use those bits of m6 though, so wouldn't a generic solution be better? 16:12:26 <Rubidium_> Maedhros: true, but those pieces do not use those bits (yet) and if the 'new map array' really becomes reality, it's not a problem either anymore 16:15:35 <Darkvater> bakk 16:16:33 <Maedhros> well, how about this, which should be generic and not destroy bridges: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/clear_map.diff 16:18:44 <Darkvater> KUDr: it's not my fault...the code was like that..basides it WAS YAPF code ;) 16:18:53 <Rubidium_> Maedhros: looks fine to me 16:22:18 <stillunknown> it still destroys bridges for some reason 16:22:50 <Rubidium_> stillunknown: under which circumstances? 16:23:19 <stillunknown> i have to go, but i just built a bridge, nothing special and i can clear parts of it 16:24:22 <Maedhros> did you refresh the patch? it changed, but had the same filename. also, did you recompile after applying the new one? 16:25:31 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 16:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Rubidium_> Maedhros: what about explicitly removing the bridge when clearing a MP_HOUSE tile? I think somewhere after line 1356 in town_cmd.c would work. <- such a thing is done already for tree tiles, afaik 16:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> if i understand the problem correctly 16:27:58 <Maedhros> ugh 16:28:30 <Darkvater> OMG 16:28:36 <Darkvater> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1629560&group_id=103924&atid=636365 16:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> + case MP_TREES: 16:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> + MakeClear(tile, CLEAR_ROCKS, 3); 16:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> + ClearBridgeMiddle(tile); 16:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> + break; 16:28:43 <Darkvater> did nobody test this??? 16:28:52 <Darkvater> [ 1629560 ] Trains can use other bridges and tunnels 16:30:19 <Maedhros> Eddi|zuHause2: hmm. that sucks 16:30:51 <Tron> Maedhros: guess why i didn't consider it finished. but /somebody/ thought otherwise 16:31:18 <Tron> <Darkvater> KUDr: it's not my fault...the code was like that..basides it WAS YAPF code ;) <--- neg 16:31:53 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:31:54 <KUDr> no 16:32:56 <KUDr> [17:20:46] <Darkvater> KUDr: it's not my fault...the code was like that..basides it WAS YAPF code ;) << you made Track become Axis 16:33:05 <Darkvater> eh... 16:33:17 <Darkvater> oh crap 16:33:19 <Darkvater> he 16:33:25 <Darkvater> ;p 16:33:32 <Darkvater> mixed up return types ;p 16:33:32 <KUDr> but with cpp it can't happen 16:33:39 <KUDr> this is what i wanted to tell 16:33:45 <KUDr> not to blame you 16:34:18 <Darkvater> I won't backport this though 16:34:22 <Darkvater> static inline Track AxisToTrack(Axis a) 16:34:22 <Darkvater> { return (Track)a; 16:34:22 <Darkvater> } 16:34:59 <KUDr> ok, i thought you backported it already 16:35:06 <Darkvater> no I mean the fix for this 16:35:16 <KUDr> ahh 16:35:25 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7966 /trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.c: -Fix (r7936): Eh AxisToTrack returns Track not Axis, thanks KUDr 16:35:25 <KUDr> AxisToTrack is so crappy? 16:35:34 <Darkvater> ? 16:36:01 <KUDr> [17:36:24] <Darkvater> static inline Track AxisToTrack(Axis a) 16:36:02 <KUDr> [17:36:24] <Darkvater> { return (Track)a; 16:36:02 <KUDr> [17:36:25] <Darkvater> } 16:36:11 <KUDr> this does nothing 16:36:19 <Darkvater> I don't know if you guys see it but the flyspray bug-list is getting BIGGER and bigger and nobody fixes stuff from it... 16:36:38 <KUDr> true 16:43:51 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7967 /branches/0.5/ (5 files in 3 dirs): - Prepare 0.5 branch for release. Update readme's, bugs, installers, changelog, etc. to 0.5.0-RC3 16:43:51 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:30 <Darkvater> I know the bugs left there are not the easy bugs cause those are solved...but still 16:47:50 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:49:44 <Bjarni> ohh, just remembered another (minor) bug I should look into 16:50:03 <Bjarni> sometimes the free space (in the load/save window) is 0 on OSX and sometimes it works 16:50:22 <Bjarni> I haven't figured out why it fails yet though 16:51:25 <Bjarni> Darkvater: maybe that should be mentioned as known bugs 16:51:50 * Bjarni goes to write a bug report before he forgets to do so 16:53:29 <Maedhros> well, what's the best way to fix the newhouses assert? my patch, or adding ClearBridgeMiddle somewhere in town_cmd.c? 16:53:49 <Maedhros> and if it's the patch, should it go into trunk? (without m7 of course...) 16:55:21 <Darkvater> brb 16:55:44 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7968 /trunk/src/ (37 files in 3 dirs): -Update copyright/etc information to 2007 16:56:01 <Darkvater> Maedhros: I don't remember exactly what the convention is, but I think the clear or destroy functions all clean up the map information for them (eg reset to 0) 16:56:08 <Darkvater> if that's so then clearbridgemiddle needs fixing 16:57:55 <Maedhros> Darkvater: the problem is that houses use the same bits as bridges do, but m6 isn't cleared anywhere when houses are destroyed 16:58:00 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:24 <Maedhros> ClearBridgeMiddle will clear those bits in m6 manually, but it'll need to be used whenever something is removed that uses that part of m6 16:58:54 <Maedhros> ...that was a horrible sentence :o 16:59:56 <Bjarni> Darkvater: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/524 <-- add this one to known bugs (I just wrote it) 17:01:05 <Bjarni> Darkvater: 17:01:06 <Bjarni> -STR_00BA_COPYRIGHT_OPENTTD :{BLACK}OpenTTD {COPYRIGHT}2002-2006 The OpenTTD team 17:01:06 <Bjarni> +STR_00BA_COPYRIGHT_OPENTTD :{BLACK}OpenTTD {COPYRIGHT}2002-20067 The OpenTTD team 17:01:22 <Bjarni> are you sure we still work on this game in year 20067? 17:01:35 <Bjarni> that seems like a long time plan, specially for a piece of software 17:01:46 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has joined #openttd 17:02:38 *** Rens2AFK [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:04:49 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 17:06:52 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:07:47 <Tron> KUDr: AXIS_X == 0 == TRACK_X, AXIS_Y == 1 == TRACK_Y 17:08:50 <KUDr> aha 17:08:55 <KUDr> nice :) 17:09:31 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176119214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:11:13 <MeusH> Bjarni: The faster I move my mouse, the faster and smoother about box text scrolls 17:11:22 <MeusH> it's a bit strange imo 17:11:56 <Maedhros> haha, nice 17:12:05 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 17:17:58 <Frostregen> the text-plop-in/out is more annoying 17:18:15 <Bjarni> omg 17:18:24 <Bjarni> MeusH found a serious bug 17:18:29 <Frostregen> really important ;) 17:18:30 <MeusH> go on 17:18:31 <Bjarni> but... did you actually read what it says? 17:18:42 <Bjarni> KUDr coded YAPG 17:18:44 <MeusH> aha 17:18:46 <MeusH> no 17:18:46 <Bjarni> :D 17:18:52 <MeusH> KUDr is YAPG 17:19:02 <MeusH> that's the point I think :) 17:19:14 <MeusH> I like developing with sence of humour 17:19:27 <Bjarni> Yet Another Pathfinder Guru? 17:19:29 <Bjarni> hmm 17:19:31 <Bjarni> could be 17:19:34 <MeusH> God 17:19:45 <Bjarni> no, that's my task 17:27:42 <MeusH> speaking of STR_00BA_COPYRIGHT_OPENTTD 17:27:45 <MeusH> When will you fix it? 17:27:51 <Darkvater> NEVER! 17:27:56 <MeusH> :p 17:28:18 <MeusH> I've spotted a bug in polish translation and I'd like to fix it, so I'll fix that 20067, too, ok? 17:28:25 <Darkvater> no 17:28:31 <MeusH> okay 17:28:39 <MeusH> you've got a cool script, haven't you? 17:29:19 <Darkvater> search&replace 17:30:56 <MeusH> now it will be uncool if you search&replace before MiHaMiX's commit 17:31:27 <raimar2> [LANG] Generating table/strings.h 17:31:28 <raimar2> /home/hawk/ott/trunk/src/lang/english.txt:1495: error: String ID 0x0 for 'STR_0800_COST' already in use by 'STR_002E' 17:31:29 <raimar2> ... 17:31:38 <raimar2> /home/hawk/ott/trunk/src/lang/english.txt:1511: error: String ID 0x0 for 'STR_0810_DESERT' already in use by 'STR_002E' 17:31:38 <raimar2> make[1]: *** [table/strings.h] Error 1 17:31:43 <raimar2> known problem? 17:32:30 <Darkvater> raimar2: svn up 17:32:45 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7969 /trunk/src/lang/ (36 files in 2 dirs): *whistle* 20067 has not yet come to pass; it's 2007 (I think my search&replace broke) 17:32:51 <Darkvater> I donnu what search&replace did there with the ##id 17:33:44 <raimar2> yup, error gone 17:34:48 <blathijs> wtf, do we have 36 files with the current year in our source? 17:34:49 <blathijs> why??? 17:35:26 <Bjarni> because somebody decided to make it like that 17:35:37 <Bjarni> that's the best explanation I can give you 17:36:45 <Smoovious> redundancy? 17:37:02 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:39:08 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7970 /branches/0.5/ (31 files in 2 dirs): 17:39:08 <CIA-1> -Backport from trunk (r7968, r7969): 17:39:08 <CIA-1> - Update year throughout the program to 2007 17:39:08 <CIA-1> - Minor update to changelog, known-bugs file (Bjarni) 17:39:36 <Darkvater> donnu why. but the string is translatable, so that's why 17:40:38 <valhallasw> what about a CONST revyear? 17:41:07 <Darkvater> more work than just updating once a year 17:41:41 * stillunknown just tried running a maglev over normal track, was funny, although it seemed to barely accelerate on normal rail 17:42:08 <valhallasw> Adding the const, adding it everywhere, and changing the const 2 times is less word than 3 search & replaces :P 17:42:35 <valhallasw> 'should I do it'? :P 17:42:43 <Darkvater> it's more work 17:42:54 <Smoovious> in the short-term 17:42:56 <Darkvater> you need to udpate strgen and string.c as well 17:43:05 <Darkvater> debug, test, lose performance 17:43:19 <valhallasw> performance in compiling maybe 17:43:29 <valhallasw> but that's not going to be noticeable 17:43:31 <Darkvater> also in string-handling 17:43:59 <valhallasw> consts are changed to the correct value before compiling... 17:44:12 <Darkvater> (not-noticable ever yes, but still, it enforces my point ) 17:44:17 <Darkvater> and strgen has no notion of consts 17:44:22 <Darkvater> so you have to code that as well 17:44:46 <Bjarni> ohh 17:44:58 <Bjarni> so now performance is important when it comes to the about window? 17:45:22 <Darkvater> ^^ 17:45:30 <hylje> wtf in making 17:45:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:01 <valhallasw> let's do something useful 17:46:05 <valhallasw> like learning calculus 17:46:14 <Bjarni> maybe the about window should be accessible from main menu 17:46:50 <Frostregen> yup... a small "?" at some edge 17:47:02 <Frostregen> took me 4 minutes to find it ingame 17:47:49 <valhallasw> wasnt there an about button in TTDX? 17:48:41 <Smoovious> I only remember there being one in-game for TTDX also 17:48:47 <Bjarni> nobody said that we should do everything as TTDX. We should make improvement that's not in TTDX if we want to 17:50:01 <Darkvater> valhallasw: there wasn't 17:50:12 <Darkvater> I like the about box as it is 17:50:32 <Bjarni> nobody wanted to remove it 17:50:47 <Bjarni> I just wondered if we should make it available from the main menu 17:50:49 <Darkvater> and where it is 17:51:09 <Darkvater> shit, got only 2 minutes left and vs2003 is still compiling :s 17:51:17 <Bjarni> we don't have to remove it if we add access to it in another location 17:51:19 <stillunknown> Bjarni: maybe make sound settings accessible as well 17:51:26 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I'll tag RC3 can you handle the SF things? 17:51:36 <Darkvater> I'll up the win binaries tonight and make forums post, etc. 17:51:40 <Smoovious> now the sound-settings I could get behind 17:51:45 <Darkvater> you can update website/forums if you want 17:52:06 <Bjarni> well 17:52:19 <Bjarni> should we release with only the OSX binary? 17:52:25 <Smoovious> maybe show the map zoomed out during map generation too... 17:52:34 <Darkvater> I'll edit your post then later tonight with the full changelog etc 17:52:49 <Darkvater> Bjarni: a paper launch ^^ 17:53:15 <stillunknown> Bjarni: don't you have compile farms for that? 17:53:16 <Bjarni> sure I can upload the OSX binary to OSX, no question there 17:53:30 <Bjarni> stillunknown: no. I can only make OSX binaries 17:53:37 <CIA-1> Darkvater * r7971 /tags/0.5.0-RC3/ (6 files): Release 0.5.0-RC3 17:53:40 <MeusH> Bjarni, why? 17:53:57 <Bjarni> because I don't have access to the compiler farm, that's why ;) 17:54:06 <MeusH> aha :) 17:55:03 <Darkvater> bye guys :) 17:55:10 <Bjarni> bye Darkvater 17:55:16 * Smoovious wavies. 17:55:25 <Bjarni> I wonder what to do now :) 17:55:30 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you can upload source etc. 17:55:38 <Bjarni> oh yeah 17:55:40 <Bjarni> source... 17:55:51 <Darkvater> make a nice post on website 17:55:59 <Darkvater> flaming that damned icelandic lazy bum translator 17:56:07 * Darkvater votes for removing icelandic from 0.5 17:56:11 <Darkvater> ok relly gone 17:56:13 <hylje> :o 17:56:58 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:57:10 <XeryusTC> wtf, RC3? 17:57:12 <XeryusTC> :o 17:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> i recently learned that iceland has about as many inhabitants as my home city :p 17:58:01 <hylje> zomg, germany 17:58:43 <MeusH> hello glx 17:59:29 <XeryusTC> dude, frisian, no one speaks frisian anymore 18:00:09 <MeusH> make silly language! 18:00:13 <MeusH> in aurabesh :p 18:00:25 <MeusH> with unicode, we can make some old germanic languages with runes 18:00:59 <hylje> :O 18:01:01 <hylje> elvish 18:01:05 <hylje> of tolkien 18:01:15 <hylje> also klingon, haxor 18:01:45 <XeryusTC> ancient greek! 18:01:45 <MeusH> yeah, 0P3N 77D over all :) 18:01:50 <MeusH> latin! 18:01:53 <MeusH> I know latin 18:02:04 <XeryusTC> MeusH: what is he like? 18:02:07 <MeusH> Ego amo oficina ~ I love factory 18:02:15 <MeusH> he loves factories 18:02:28 <XeryusTC> hmm 18:02:31 <XeryusTC> what a weird guy :P 18:02:41 <Brianetta> Celestar: I am around now 18:02:49 <stillunknown> how about adding MeusH language, all strings called MeusH 18:02:56 <MeusH> :p 18:02:58 <MeusH> good idea 18:03:00 <MeusH> brb 18:03:26 <stillunknown> i want to MeusH my MeusH so i can MeusH my MeusH :-) 18:03:49 * HMage MeusH'es MeusHy MeusHers 18:04:15 <Smoovious> or "blah" 18:04:22 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 18:04:39 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387D178.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:04:48 <Bjarni> great, we got 15 pending strings in the translator system, that should have been in RC3 :P 18:05:01 <Sacro> roffle 18:05:26 <XeryusTC> :P 18:05:28 <stillunknown> what is it with these translators, you know how big a diff for a few days is? 18:05:47 <Rubidium_> they are actually doing something :) 18:05:54 <XeryusTC> hmm, cant we get a smurf translation? 18:06:05 <XeryusTC> "I'm sending my train to the smurf" 18:06:32 <Rubidium_> "I'm smurfing my smurf to the smurf" would be better :) 18:06:35 <Bjarni> "Smurfing for smurf in Depot" 18:06:42 <XeryusTC> :/ 18:06:47 <Bjarni> is that stopping or service :P 18:06:50 <XeryusTC> you guys dont know anything about smurf :P 18:07:17 <Bjarni> I know more than Rubidium_ 18:07:19 <XeryusTC> "Just wait while my road vehicle smurfs in some money" 18:07:24 <Bjarni> "my smurf".... 18:07:46 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:38 <Brianetta> "I'm going to smurf Smurfette a good smurfing" 18:08:48 <Smoovious> smurfy... 18:09:02 <Brianetta> Sometimes the innuendo is transparent 18:09:03 *** TheMask97 [martijn@sirius-r4.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 18:09:08 <hylje> hm 18:09:19 <Smoovious> maybe timmy from south park 18:09:24 *** Netsplit charon.oftc.net <-> panulirus.oftc.net quits: Progman, Purno, TinoM, TheMask96 18:11:08 <XeryusTC> i dont think that oftc likes timmy :( 18:12:19 <Bjarni> hmm 18:12:29 <Bjarni> how to compress the source into a tarball? 18:12:39 <Bjarni> I always forget :( 18:13:12 <raimar2> tar cfv bla.tar directory 18:13:27 <glx> raimar2: not compressed :) 18:13:38 <Bjarni> I wondered about that as well 18:13:43 <glx> and f must be before the filename 18:13:44 <Bjarni> remember that people are to download this 18:13:47 <Maedhros> add z to the options if you want it gzipped, and j if you want it bzip2ed 18:13:58 <stillunknown> tar -cf foo.tar foo && bzip foo.tar 18:14:58 <Bjarni> looks like I should make tar.bz2, tar.gz and .zip 18:15:42 <ln-> .zip for mac? 18:15:53 <glx> for windows 18:16:24 <Bjarni> we are not releasing sit source tarballs 18:18:01 <hylje> its not a tarball if sit is used? 18:18:29 <blathijs> what's sit? 18:18:39 <ln-> StuffIt® archive 18:18:43 <Bjarni> sit is a compression format used on mac 18:18:48 <Bjarni> it used to be good 18:18:51 <blathijs> ah 18:19:06 <ln-> but requires a 3rd party utility at least nowadays. 18:19:10 <Bjarni> now it's no better than zip and macs can't handle sit by default anymore 18:19:30 <Bjarni> and you need to give a zillion info about yourself to get the unstuff client 18:19:57 <hylje> now stuff tends to be distributed as disk images? 18:20:02 <ln-> and someone said the unstuff installation installs some kernel extension too? 18:20:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:14 <ln-> hylje: correct 18:20:39 <Bjarni> I can't recall if it was the sit unstuff app or if it were some other freeware that demanded a valid VISA card for allowing downloads 18:21:03 <stillunknown> lol 18:21:07 * Maedhros looks at the problems turning off diagonal crossings if there are 2 trains on the same tile that Eddi|zuHause2 noticed 18:21:15 <Maedhros> that's going to be a bitch to fix... 18:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can imagine ;) 18:22:00 <Bjarni> hmm 18:22:06 <Bjarni> I don't have bzip :( 18:22:27 <Bjarni> glx, blathijs: do any of you want to make the tarballs? 18:22:34 <Bjarni> might be easier that way ;) 18:22:34 <blathijs> sure 18:22:45 <blathijs> Do you want the zip as well? 18:23:00 <Bjarni> that would be nice :) 18:23:02 <stillunknown> yawn, right music at the wrong time can be sleepy 18:23:12 <ln-> Bjarni: it's bzip2. 18:23:53 <Bjarni> RC2 got tarballs released as tar.bz2, tar.gz and .zip 18:24:00 <Bjarni> why do we need 3? 18:24:44 <stillunknown> zip is for windows 18:25:05 <Bjarni> nice, now I got the bzipped file anyway 18:25:07 <Bjarni> thanks :D 18:25:12 <stillunknown> bzip2 compresses better than gzip, but for some reason a lot is still released in gzip or both 18:25:40 *** jt_ [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has quit [Quit: Permission revoked - dircproxy 1.0.5] 18:26:25 *** Sio [sionide@217.147.86.20] has joined #openttd 18:26:47 <blathijs> Bjarni: Uploading now 18:26:47 *** Sio is now known as Sionide 18:26:59 <Bjarni> hmm 18:27:05 <Bjarni> we need .deb files as well 18:27:24 <blathijs> I'll handle those, as soon as the source tgz is available :-) 18:27:35 <Bjarni> ok 18:28:56 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B828C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:28:58 <Smoovious> could just piss everyone off and release *nix, dos, and win versions in a zoo archive... 18:29:21 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 18:30:23 <blathijs> Bjarni: Source is uploaded to sf 18:30:33 <Bjarni> ok 18:30:35 <Bjarni> good 18:30:46 <blathijs> 4786d99bca99e1310666fe9b88ed921a openttd-0.5.0-RC3-source.tar.bz2 18:30:46 <blathijs> 70c47ea38a2c9b84bd3a4ec050ac1efc openttd-0.5.0-RC3-source.tar.gz 18:30:46 <blathijs> 6bd256af0e85c8648d2bcd2fd61b1d34 openttd-0.5.0-RC3-source.zip 18:30:47 <Bjarni> we need the md5 for those files as well 18:30:52 <blathijs> hah! 18:30:53 <Bjarni> wow, you are fast :) 18:31:16 <blathijs> I've got a infinite impropability drive installed into my notebook this morning 18:31:33 <Bjarni> yeah 18:31:45 <Bjarni> it took you 0 sec to create them 18:32:08 <blathijs> -1 really 18:32:12 <blathijs> 19:30 < blathijs> 6bd256af0e85c8648d2bcd2fd61b1d34 openttd-0.5.0-RC3-source.zip 18:32:15 <blathijs> 19:30 <@Bjarni> we need the md5 for those files as well 18:33:48 <Bjarni> it says [19:30:46] on all the lines for me 18:34:02 <Bjarni> so it took less than a sec 18:34:14 <glx> 19:31:00 for me :) 18:34:20 *** lolman [~John@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:38:24 <MeusH> goodbye 18:38:28 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Quit: bye - quit] 18:40:01 <ln-> MD5 has known weaknesses. 18:41:16 <Rubidium_> any hash is known to be weaker than just comparing it with the original... 18:42:17 <ln-> but it is possible to quite easily generate two files with the same MD5 hash. 18:42:28 <ln-> two non-equal files. 18:42:48 <Sacro> ln-: someone did it though 18:42:49 <blathijs> ln-: We're more protecting against transfer errors than actual modification 18:43:02 <Sacro> created 2 working exes that did different things, but had the same md5 18:43:25 <blathijs> Sacro: "it is possible" 18:43:35 <Bjarni> but is the modified one any good? 18:44:00 <Sacro> blathijs: yes, but he actually did it, rather than just being a concept 18:44:10 <Sacro> Bjarni: i cant remember what they both did 18:44:13 <ln-> Bjarni: depends on the file type. 18:44:20 <Bjarni> I mean, can it be modified in a way, so that the compressed file got the same md5 AND it will act in a harmful way like creating a backdoor? 18:44:53 <Rubidium_> Bjarni: yes, but with very low probability 18:45:30 <ln-> i think i've seen two postscript documents with the same MD5 hash but completely different contents. (which is possible due to the nature of PS) 18:47:56 *** PandaMojo_ [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:49:33 <ln-> Bjarni: that's not possible yet, but since the chinese haven't revealed their methods, who knows if someone is already able to generate a desired MD5 hash. 18:50:28 <tokai|noir> Bjarni (or Darkvater): fa1e6bfb50ce3d1b930e9e129864f2e8 openttd-0.5.0-RC3-morphos.lha (sf.net incoming) 18:52:06 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:52:43 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:52:57 *** PandaMojo_ is now known as PandaMojo 19:06:43 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 19:08:01 <nairan> r6979 = last rc? 19:08:47 <blathijs> no, r7971 19:09:02 <blathijs> nairan: We're halfway releasing it, currently :-) 19:09:39 <Rubidium_> even so, release candidates shouldn't be referred by a revision. 19:10:09 <hylje> stable builds arent snapshots of trunk as is 19:10:10 <nairan> so realeses could be more far on but also changed a lot right? 19:10:22 <blathijs> huh? 19:10:46 <blathijs> nairan: If you want to fetch rc3 from svn you can just export svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/0.5.0-RC3 19:10:52 <blathijs> or checkout 19:11:01 <Nigel> nairan, "<blathijs> nairan: We're halfway releasing it, currently :-)" pretty much sums it up 19:11:17 <Rubidium_> releasing RC3 that is 19:11:31 <SpComb> yawn 19:11:43 <Nigel> i thought blathijs was refering to 0.5.0 in general 19:12:08 <blathijs> no, I was referring to nairan's "last rc" 19:12:43 <blathijs> 2e1966ec44d783ef1837cc08deb85c33 openttd-0.5.0-RC3-amd64.deb 19:12:44 <blathijs> 1d9f11640fa7b3153b4539394634c99b openttd-0.5.0-RC3-i386.deb 19:12:46 <Nigel> ahhh righty 19:12:51 <blathijs> Bjarni: ^^ Now available on sf 19:13:05 <blathijs> last rc being latest, not really last even 19:13:43 <ln-> are university lectures open to anyone in the netherlands? 19:14:51 * Maedhros should really try working on a gentoo ebuild 19:15:02 <blathijs> ln-: not officially I think 19:15:10 <blathijs> ln-: But there is no checking either 19:15:19 <blathijs> ln-: Not here anyway 19:15:33 <Rubidium_> still depends on what you call 'open' 19:15:44 <ln-> open = anyone can go listen 19:19:07 <ln-> even a tourist 19:21:08 <Rubidium_> then it's what blathijs said; it isn't officially, but in practice it would (probably) be no problem 19:23:02 <blathijs> ln-: Considering becoming a lecture tourist? 19:24:20 <ln-> i was thinking if i happen to go to amsterdam some time, it could be interesting to go listen to professor tanenbaum, if he's lecturing nowadays. 19:28:30 *** Nigel [~Nigel@202-154-144-120.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:33:51 <Bjarni> ok, now we only miss the windows builds 19:34:50 <Sacro> you want windows builds? 19:35:38 <hylje> :O 19:35:49 * Sacro can provide them 19:36:37 <Bjarni> no 19:36:50 <Bjarni> I want them from a trusted source only 19:36:53 <lolman> Oh Noes 19:36:57 <hylje> oh snap 19:37:02 <Sacro> i am trustable 19:37:31 <Maedhros> for Gentoo users: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/openttd-0.5.0_rc3.ebuild 19:37:38 <Smoovious> ouch 19:37:39 <Bjarni> as trustable as your parents? 19:37:51 <Sacro> well i dont trust my mum... 19:38:01 <lolman> I trust noone 19:38:02 <lolman> lol 19:39:22 *** Wolf01|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:41:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> who did that hack that you can build bridges over stations? 19:42:30 <Bjarni> <lolman> I trust noone <-- well, that will ensure that you will not get backstabbed by somebody you trust 19:42:53 <Smoovious> pretty much 19:43:18 <Bjarni> however since you don't trust me, I will backstab you when I get the chance :P 19:43:54 <lolman> Well that's hardly a departure from the norm ;-) 19:44:17 * hylje stabs Bjarni and lolman before they notice it 19:45:13 <Rubidium_> Maedhros: what about freetype and fontconfig support in the ebuild? 19:45:48 <Maedhros> ah. i thought i'd forgotten something... 19:46:36 <Bjarni> hylje: you can't do that... 19:46:40 <Bjarni> it would be against the law 19:50:09 <Smoovious> law doesn't mean you can't do something... it only establishes the price for it 19:52:03 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@N820P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:24 <Maedhros> heh... $(error WITH_FONTCONFIG can't be used when FONTOCNFIG_CONFIG is not set. 19:52:53 <Maedhros> speeling++ 19:53:42 *** mikk36[EST] is now known as mikk36 19:54:02 <mikk36> (13:31:39) (Celestar) Hinrik: mikk36[EST] <-- ??? 19:54:39 <Rubidium_> he was just a little too enthusiastic with the tab completion I guess 19:54:44 <mikk36> hmm, ok 19:58:26 <Sacro> FONTOCNFIG_CONFIG? 19:58:29 <Sacro> hmm... not goood 19:58:55 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@62.47.46.117] has joined #openttd 19:59:02 <Maedhros> updated ebuild: http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/openttd-0.5.0_rc3.ebuild 19:59:25 <Maedhros> be aware that fontconfig and freetype won't enabled by default 19:59:44 <peter1138> boo 20:00:02 <Maedhros> *won't be 20:09:35 <Rubidium_> at least we now know who to blame when gentoo users complain about non-latin languages :) 20:10:09 * Maedhros runs away 20:11:04 *** BurningFeetMan [~chatzilla@CPE-60-227-105-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.9/2006120612]] 20:11:09 <Maedhros> unfortunately i can't make them optional AND available by default 20:11:13 * Bjarni chases Maedhros 20:12:09 <Bjarni> you can, however, make two builds. One without the support and no demands and one that demands the libs to be present 20:12:15 <Bjarni> right? 20:13:53 <Maedhros> well yes, but not having to do that is precisely the reason that USE flags exist :) 20:14:13 <peter1138> USE flags fucking suck 20:14:21 <peter1138> anyway 20:14:23 <Maedhros> why's that? 20:14:47 <peter1138> just prefix your use flags with NO ;p 20:14:55 <Bjarni> because they don't work in this case? 20:15:18 <Maedhros> hehe 20:15:48 <Maedhros> this is the reason that people are hoping to make it possible to specify defaults within ebuilds 20:16:11 <Maedhros> but portage is such a mess internally that it may take a while... 20:16:58 * peter1138 >off agagin 20:17:01 <peter1138> and again 20:17:22 <Maedhros> adios, peter1138 20:18:32 * GoneWacko flags openttd as out of date on AUR 20:18:42 <Bjarni> AUR? 20:18:54 <GoneWacko> Archlinux User Repository 20:19:05 <GoneWacko> Community managed package repository thingie 20:19:09 <Bjarni> remember this is a release candidate 20:19:14 <Bjarni> not a real release 20:19:23 *** Ailure [~Coming@h104n9c1o912.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:24 <GoneWacko> I've seen RC1s in there 20:19:25 <Bjarni> the last real stable is 0.4.8 20:19:26 <GoneWacko> but good point 20:19:58 * GoneWacko unflags :p 20:20:20 <Bjarni> off the record: I presume that RC3 will be as stable as 0.5.0 20:22:12 <Bjarni> so it's tomorrow that Apple will release new products. Some online store (forgot which one) marked it as new versions of iLife and (something else), then renamed it to "Apple released product on 8/1 #1-2-(and so on)", and now completely removed it 20:22:25 <Bjarni> so... do you think they will release iLife 07? :) 20:22:59 <hylje> iLife 08! 20:23:18 <Bjarni> I presume that they will release iTV 20:23:46 <Bjarni> I mean Steve Jobs said it would be really early 2007 (which is unusual Apple policy to say so) 20:24:47 <hylje> q1 07 20:25:11 <Bjarni> that would be now ;) 20:25:46 <Bjarni> well, I think it will be now because if we wait much longer for it, they would not have said anything about it 20:26:06 <Bjarni> also I think we will see OSX 10.5, so they beat vista in real release 20:26:37 <Bjarni> "and we will be starting to ship starting today" (I can hear Steve Jobs say that) 20:26:47 <Bjarni> they usually do it like that 20:27:00 <michi_cc> Bjarni (or Darkvater): feeling responsible for 657b7f3342794ec198e285710a0dd6cc http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/openttd-0.5.0-RC3-win64.zip 20:27:20 <Bjarni> hmm 20:27:39 * Bjarni checks his list of known trusted people 20:28:05 <michi_cc> somebody gave me voice, I can't be that bad :) 20:28:50 <Bjarni> but it's not op :P 20:29:38 <Rubidium_> Bjarni: as if blathijs currently has ops... 20:29:40 <Bjarni> it's in RC2 as well 20:30:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o blathijs] by Bjarni 20:30:03 <blathijs> w00t 20:30:05 *** mode/#openttd [-o Bjarni] by blathijs 20:30:07 <blathijs> haha! 20:30:10 <Bjarni> ... 20:30:13 <glx> lol 20:30:17 <lolman> :o 20:30:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:30:27 <Rubidium_> Bjarni: isn't trusted anymore:) 20:30:27 <blathijs> now, let's read some backlog 20:30:30 <blathijs> why did this happen 20:30:31 <lolman> I'm sure Chanserv will have something to say 20:30:35 *** mode/#openttd [-o blathijs] by blathijs 20:30:35 *** blathijs was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [ you asked for it] 20:30:37 <Bjarni> :P 20:30:47 *** blathijs [~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:53 <blathijs> hey, that was not nice 20:31:02 <lolman> You deserved it 20:31:12 <Bjarni> but this is nice 20:31:13 <Bjarni> [21:30:35] <-- Bjarni has kicked blathijs from #openttd ( you asked for it) 20:31:13 <Bjarni> [21:30:37] <Bjarni> :P 20:31:13 <Bjarni> [21:30:47] --> blathijs (~matthijs@katherina.student.utwente.nl) has joined #openttd 20:31:21 <Bjarni> now you know what you missed 20:31:25 <hylje> :o 20:31:42 <blathijs> thanks ;-) 20:32:15 <Bjarni> well, this didn't really turn out the way I expected it to turn out 20:34:07 <blathijs> How did you expect it then? 20:34:25 <Bjarni> I thought you were away :s 20:37:00 <Bjarni> heh, now all that is missing is win32 binaries 20:37:12 <Bjarni> we got win64 binaries before win32 binaries :D 20:39:18 <blathijs> heher 20:39:22 <blathijs> s/r$/ 20:54:20 <XeryusTC> Bjarni! 20:55:48 <ln-> http://users.utu.fi/tomhak/Bouncing_Tits.gif 20:56:36 <Smoovious> funny... .. . 20:57:29 <peter1138> hmm 20:57:38 <peter1138> is there any reason to keep the sprite cache at 1MB? 20:57:54 <ln-> let me guess: it was that way in the original game. 20:58:02 <peter1138> i don't know 20:58:11 <Bjarni> XeryusTC! 20:58:12 <peter1138> but doubling it removes a big slow down for me 20:58:21 <XeryusTC> Bjarni: happy new year 20:58:23 <Bjarni> XeryusTC: what day is it today in your world? 20:58:36 <XeryusTC> 7th of januari 2007 20:58:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd say christmas ;) 20:58:45 <Smoovious> if it would allow for more variations I'd say let it expand 20:58:47 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 20:58:48 <peter1138> of course, it probably only has any effect with newgrfs... 20:58:57 <XeryusTC> im actually thinking of reverting all calendar changes over the course of hystory 20:58:59 <XeryusTC> history* 20:59:08 <XeryusTC> and cale it the Xeryusian Calendar :P 20:59:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> hystery? 21:00:07 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:25 <Bjarni> don't mind XeryusTC 21:00:41 <Bjarni> remember this is the guy, who though he skipped Christmas eve 21:01:21 <XeryusTC> it was by mistake :( 21:01:27 <XeryusTC> i was tired :P 21:01:54 <Sacro> nothing beats the mutiny 21:02:13 <Bjarni> yeah 21:02:45 <Bjarni> but I'm told that it would have been even better if it showed the @ next to my nick 21:03:04 <Bjarni> to tell that I actually could kill him and through him overboard from the channel 21:03:25 <peter1138> hmmm, 1.6MB 21:04:00 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-138-130-140-81.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:16:10 <CIA-1> KUDr * r7972 /branches/cpp/src/station_cmd.cpp: [cpp] - Fix: Bus stop was build instead of truck station and vice versa (Smoovious) 21:17:34 <Smoovious> :) 21:17:54 <blathijs> KUDr_wrk: How the hell did that happen>? 21:18:07 <KUDr> dunno 21:18:11 <KUDr> really 21:18:17 <hylje> a WTF it was 21:18:22 <blathijs> but you did manage to fix it? :-) 21:18:55 <KUDr> heh 21:18:58 <KUDr> why not? 21:19:06 <KUDr> was easy to find 21:19:10 <KUDr> with debugger 21:19:15 <Smoovious> once ya knew where to look. :D 21:19:39 * blathijs has a look at the diff 21:20:10 <blathijs> and why exactly was this broken in the cpp branch? 21:20:25 <KUDr> C: MakeRoadStop(tile, st->owner, st->index, type, p1) 21:20:42 <KUDr> cpp: MakeRoadStop(tile, st->owner, st->index, type ? RS_TRUCK : RS_BUS, (DiagDirection)p1); 21:20:46 <KUDr> so my mistake 21:20:59 <KUDr> RS_TRUCK : RS_BUS was swapped 21:21:27 <blathijs> ah, I see 21:21:39 <KUDr> you know, assigning shits 21:21:48 <KUDr> ottd is full of them 21:22:05 <KUDr> c++ could teach us to do it better 21:22:22 <hylje> possibly 21:22:29 <KUDr> not to assign bool to enum and so on 21:23:40 <caladan> well, casting aint better, you see, it should just match ... 21:24:03 <Bjarni> so... you are saying that we should use C++ to avoid bugs and all it did so far was to break compilation and create bugs? 21:25:24 <XeryusTC> touché 21:26:02 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 21:27:27 <Smoovious> hmm... Bug fixer of the week page hasn't been updated since early 2005... 21:27:32 * Bjarni still looks for the great benefit here 21:27:50 <Bjarni> Smoovious: we didn't fix any bugs since 2005 21:27:59 <Bjarni> we write perfect software from the start ;) 21:28:17 <KUDr> [22:26:05] <Bjarni> so... you are saying that we should use C++ to avoid bugs and all it did so far was to break compilation and create bugs? << are joking or so stupid? 21:28:21 <Sacro> you just forget to include the files when you commit... 21:28:23 <Smoovious> excuse me for a few minutes while I catch my breath 21:28:36 <Sacro> kuDr: +1 vote for stupid 21:28:52 <Bjarni> Sacro: I got a timeout and then only parts of the commit got though... 21:29:11 <XeryusTC> excuses, excuses :P 21:29:18 <blathijs> Bjarni: That should be possible I think? 21:29:21 <Bjarni> the missing file was in the diff when I committed, but it never came though for some weird reason 21:30:20 <Bjarni> blathijs: well, I got a timeout and then the bot claimed that I had committed something 21:30:45 <Bjarni> and I investigated and it turned out that everything was perfect expect that it missed a single file 21:31:24 *** RockerTimmy [~RockerTim@a82-92-123-126.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:33:08 <Bjarni> KUDr: to answer your question. I rule out stupid, so logically you claim that I was joking 21:33:36 <KUDr> then ok 21:33:45 <KUDr> good joke :) 21:34:22 <Bjarni> however it's not entirely wrong what I said, but it's a very short termed view to put it like that 21:35:07 <Bjarni> it's like say you boil all drinking water. How many sick days do you prevent from doing so? 21:35:16 <Bjarni> it's impossible to tell for sure :) 21:35:31 <Bjarni> but eventually I guess we could benefit from this 21:36:04 <KUDr> Bjarni: you must expect errors while changing compiler to stricter one 21:36:16 <Bjarni> yeah 21:36:18 <Bjarni> I know 21:36:21 <KUDr> it is logical consequence - but temporary 21:36:38 <Bjarni> you must have found some wtf in the code while killing warnings 21:36:39 <KUDr> then you use all the benefits for the code quality 21:37:41 <XeryusTC> hmm, CSOD type wtfs? 21:38:14 <XeryusTC> gn 21:38:21 <KUDr> if anybody is willing to help me test CPP build >> https://195.39.113.200:8443/doctor/ottd/cpp/ottd_w2k_7972_cpp_upd.zip 21:38:46 <nairan> look here to get som funnies 21:38:49 <nairan> http://www.chillnite.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/WindowsLiveWriter/ace1fd14328f_A62E/7%5B4%5D.jpg 21:38:50 <Bjarni> I was more thinking like some places where say if it's a plane, then subtype is 2, if it's road vehicle or ship, then subtype is 0 and if it's a train, then some enum assignment 21:38:54 <Bjarni> there is a place like that 21:39:20 <Bjarni> and when I first saw it, it was really strange, specially due to lack of comments 21:39:52 <Bjarni> nairan: camouflaged sniper on the move? 21:40:43 <nairan> that is a biker 21:42:43 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:42:55 <TinoM|> Kudr, your ssl certificate is obsolete ;) 21:43:03 <KUDr> i know 21:43:11 <KUDr> was not from public CA anyway 21:43:22 <KUDr> force it go thru 21:43:25 <Bjarni> http://www.chillnite.com/whoa-creepy-crawlies-inside-a-mac-lcd#comments <-- hehe, this guy seriously needs a debugger 21:43:38 <TinoM|> got through, 20 clicks later *g* 21:43:46 <KUDr> huh 21:43:52 <KUDr> so many? 21:44:01 <KUDr> you must have very secure browser 21:44:18 <TinoM|> ff 2.0.1 21:44:28 <KUDr> ff? 21:44:45 <stillunknown> firefox 21:44:50 <KUDr> aha 21:44:53 <KUDr> yeah 21:45:05 <nairan> but not that debugger you are using =P 21:45:12 <KUDr> have it too but 'ff' told me nothing :) 21:46:45 <TinoM|> ok, your build starts and i've successfully loaded a current savegame 21:46:56 <KUDr> good 21:49:01 <TinoM|> something special i could try/test? 21:51:51 <TinoM|> hmmm, i am running a "normal" map, and several strings for cargo are from the toyland scenario 21:53:03 <TinoM|> eg i train with livestock: the information shows the livestock cars as toy vans 21:53:08 <caladan> KUDr: just look at the version... A friend of mine knows libs by their version... :/ 21:53:56 <Maedhros> ooh, tt-forums just exploded 21:54:15 <TinoM|> and when i click on a depot the game simply exits with an error 21:54:28 *** hylje [hylje@194.187.214.214] has joined #openttd 21:54:38 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B828C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: It's like, wah.] 21:57:25 <TinoM|> its reproducable: new game, build a depot, click on it: -> "Tried to load non-existing sprite #5990. Probable cause: Wrong/Missing NewGRFs" 21:57:40 <KUDr> TinoM|: thanks, will try 21:58:14 <KUDr> any newgrf you have loaded? 21:59:32 *** BJH2_ [~chatzilla@e176114152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:00:32 <TinoM|> KuDr, no, none 22:00:38 <KUDr> ok 22:00:58 <KUDr> so livestock train, right? 22:03:28 <TinoM|> Kudr, sorry that problem with the strings was a problem with a savegame and some newgrfs 22:03:47 <KUDr> hmm 22:05:10 <nairan> !seen calda 22:05:11 <_42_> nairan, I don't remember seeing calda. 22:05:48 <KUDr> TinoM|: so nothing to hunt? 22:07:27 <TinoM|> no, my fault sorry. only the bug with the depot persists, regardless of loaded newgrfs or a plain ottd 22:07:40 <KUDr> ok 22:07:48 <KUDr> will try this one 22:08:03 *** RockerTimmy [~RockerTim@a82-92-123-126.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:16:17 <KUDr> caladan: version of what? ff? 22:16:51 <KUDr> TinoM|: train depots work fine here 22:17:05 <KUDr> i can't repro it ;) 22:20:24 <nairan> umm nope was in wrong chat window =P 22:20:43 <nairan> and they dont have such imformative bot 22:25:39 *** TheCondor [~thecondor@h74082.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 22:35:03 <Brianetta> curl http://ppcis.org/standard/ | grep "currently at" |sed "s-</*b>-%-g" | cut -d % -f 2 22:35:14 <Brianetta> % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current 22:35:14 <Brianetta> Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed 22:35:18 <Brianetta> the 6th of August, 2044 22:35:20 <Brianetta> (: 22:36:22 <Brianetta> curl -s http://ppcis.org/standard/ | grep "currently at" |sed "s-</*b>-%-g" | cut -d % -f 2 22:36:25 <Brianetta> better 22:36:31 <Brianetta> the 23rd of August, 2044 22:38:28 *** Viktho1 [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has joined #openttd 22:38:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat2.arachne.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:55 *** Viktho1 is now known as Vikthor 22:40:43 <BFM> Any idea what date the latest OpenTTD will be out? 22:41:19 <blathijs> "any time now" 22:41:48 <glx> except for win32 :) 22:43:35 *** raimar2 is now known as McHawk_away 22:44:38 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-205-157.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:16 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:45:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host91-173-dynamic.60-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 22:46:32 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-140-205-157.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 22:55:21 <BFM> Anytime now eh? Hmm, guess it'll be a nice suprise then ^_^ 22:55:51 <blathijs> BFM: probably within a few weeks. Depends on how many bugs we'll keep finding :-) 22:57:29 <BFM> That's fair enough. Good job by all. :) I was sussing out the wiki the other day. Some of the new graphix for the scaled conversion look awesome too! 22:58:59 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.41] has quit [Quit: HMage] 23:07:56 *** thgergo [~th_gergo@dsl51B7886F.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:33 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl8-40-207.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 23:17:20 *** michi_cc is now known as michi_cc-away 23:17:40 <Darkvater> backk 23:23:30 <Bjarni> frontt 23:23:45 <qball> underr 23:24:19 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1DD3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:27 *** Guest56 [~Gono@N820P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 23:24:48 <Darkvater> idiotss 23:24:54 <Bjarni> :D 23:24:59 <Bjarni> not truee 23:25:09 <Bjarni> anyway 23:25:13 <Darkvater> yes :) 23:25:13 <qball> I am no idiot, I am just crazyy 23:25:16 <Darkvater> did you make any posts? 23:25:18 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-116-5.carlnfd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:25:19 <Bjarni> no 23:25:26 <Darkvater> just SF? 23:25:29 <Bjarni> yes 23:25:31 <Darkvater> put the changelog up there? 23:25:43 <Bjarni> and quickly added the md5 to the homepage 23:25:50 <Bjarni> yes, pasted the changelog to SF 23:26:40 <Bjarni> so we need win32 binaries, updated links on the homepage (and a bit of cleanup) and a post on the forum 23:26:50 <Bjarni> and a news thing on the homepage 23:27:13 <Darkvater> good 23:27:41 <Darkvater> god VS2003 is linking for ages... 23:31:16 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gono@62.47.46.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:47 *** Guest56 is now known as Gonozal_VIII 23:34:42 *** Sacro [Ben@adsl-213-249-225-220.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:35:50 <Bjarni> also an announcement email on SF will be needed as well 23:36:06 <Bjarni> I figured since so many people use windows, it would not be right to send it before the binaries are there 23:36:30 *** pecisk [~pecisk@purvc-44-54.maksinets.lv] has quit [Quit: J?iet prom] 23:39:08 *** Kouya [kouya@200165021028.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 23:39:15 <ln-> but they've got the source code. 23:39:28 <Kouya> hi 23:42:02 <Darkvater> he my shell is totally hung on the RC3 commit :s 23:42:07 <Darkvater> for 4 hours now 23:42:27 <SpComb> "RC3 will be delayed until Darkvater's shell wakes up" 23:43:16 <Darkvater> Bjarni: you haven't made an announcement on openttd.org 23:49:03 <Bjarni> no 23:49:22 <Darkvater> why meeee.. :) 23:49:30 <Bjarni> you know what to do 23:49:37 <Bjarni> I was too busy to figure that out 23:51:28 <Kouya> http://www.owenrudge.net/utils/starwars 23:51:31 <Kouya> lol 23:51:34 <Kouya> wrong channel 23:51:55 <Kouya> I'm not used to open 2 IRC channels :P 23:52:22 <SpComb> what about 80 channels with half in the top window and the other half in the other one? 23:53:20 <Bjarni> that ASCII art thing 23:53:22 <Bjarni> it's nice 23:53:35 <Bjarni> I can tell you this much 23:53:52 <Bjarni> I don't have time to make such a thing 23:54:22 <Bjarni> it must have taken ages to make 23:54:37 <Kouya> Bjarni: agreed 23:54:47 <Kouya> SpComb: lol 23:57:43 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye]