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00:00:02 <Bjarni> http://www.trainweb.org/tusp/pics/red26b.jpg <-- I know some guys, who are trying to build that one as a model 00:00:20 <voodoo070> wicked lookin 00:00:38 <caladan> it looks like a lot of work... 00:00:39 <Bjarni> scale 1:10 or something 00:00:39 <voodoo070> im not that much of a train lover, but those old steam things look best imho 00:00:50 <voodoo070> nice design 00:00:52 <Bjarni> real steam 00:01:01 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:29 <caladan> huh, all those problems with high preasure and so on... 00:01:35 <caladan> and here something early-electric: http://salo.ath.cx/files/sz/dscf4169.jpg 00:01:37 <Bjarni> yeah 00:01:49 <voodoo070> yeah but on a model you can make the boiler walls unrealistically thick 00:01:51 <Bjarni> I think they are aiming at 9 kg/cm^2 or something 00:02:16 <Bjarni> which means they needs approval to be heated up, just like real steam locomotives 00:02:52 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-159-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:03:05 <caladan> true, and if scale is 1:10 then volume of bolier is like 1:1000 00:03:32 <Bjarni> note: the 4-4-0 American design only had a boiler pressure of 8 kg/cm^2 or something 00:03:58 <voodoo070> i wouldnt mess about with untested high pressure vessels anyway :) 00:04:04 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:04:12 <Bjarni> and 100 km/h is within reach when using a boiler pressure of 12 kg/cm^2 00:04:17 <Bjarni> so 9 is a decent pressure 00:04:27 <voodoo070> lol 00:04:31 <voodoo070> racing train :) 00:04:46 <voodoo070> too bad they dont race trains 00:04:54 <voodoo070> they race trucks.. why not trains :P 00:04:55 <Bjarni> they used to 00:05:39 <voodoo070> yeah i know 00:05:53 <Bjarni> In the 1930s or something, they had a schedule to start two identically train from Copenhagen at the same time. They tried to see who could arrive first at the next station 00:06:05 <Bjarni> at a regular basis 00:06:10 <Bjarni> but it was not official 00:06:12 <Bjarni> they just did it :P 00:06:17 <voodoo070> yeah i saw a docu bout the UK 00:06:20 <voodoo070> where they did the same 00:06:24 <voodoo070> at the very start 00:06:29 <voodoo070> narrow rail 00:06:41 <voodoo070> inventors trying to best eachother 00:07:25 <Bjarni> http://www.sitecenter.dk/erik-vpedersen/nss-folder/fotografierafdamplokomotiverltrp/DSB%20%20S%207371%20Kmp11%20Kobenhavn%20GB1%2014.3.1964%2018.0.jpg <-- they used locomotives like this one 00:07:33 <Bjarni> odds are that this one have been racing as well 00:07:34 *** Born-Acorn [~bornacorn@ACD491EC.ipt.aol.com] has quit [] 00:07:55 <caladan> LOL, the dir name couldne be longer?? :P 00:08:05 <Bjarni> I think it could 00:08:10 <Bjarni> but I don't see the point 00:08:31 <Bjarni> it tells when and where the picture is taken 00:08:54 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-173-004.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:09:02 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 00:09:10 <caladan> dir -> fotografierafdamplokomotiverltrp 00:09:24 <Bjarni> btw it's a nice engine. It's a 1000 HP tank engine with a max speed of 90 km/h 00:09:41 <Bjarni> well, it tells what it is 00:09:59 <Bjarni> photos of steam locomotives "ltrp" 00:10:10 <Bjarni> I don't get the last 4 letters though 00:10:14 *** Sacro_ [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 00:10:29 <caladan> ok:D 00:10:37 <Bjarni> you might have seen this design before 00:10:48 <Bjarni> even though you likely don't remember it 00:11:24 <Bjarni> in James Bond octopussy, there is a circus train where a lot of action takes place. It's pulled by a locomotive of this design 00:11:43 <caladan> Hmm, these shields look familiar 00:12:04 <Bjarni> so it was a Danish locomotive, built in Denmark, recorded in England and they claim it to take place in Germany and that it's a German train 00:12:14 <Bjarni> that's simple, right? 00:12:36 <Bjarni> err, you have seen those smoke shields before??? 00:12:45 <Bjarni> I thought they were custom designed 00:12:48 <Bjarni> for this engine 00:13:00 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:05 <caladan> hmmm 00:13:15 <caladan> they were used in pre WWII time in poland 00:13:19 <Bjarni> you see, it got the front custom designed after it appeared that it had serious smoke issues when driving in tunnels 00:13:20 <caladan> as some kind of experiment 00:14:54 <Bjarni> how did it go? 00:15:18 <caladan> Im not sure... 00:15:23 <Bjarni> this is a pre WWII locomotive, so it's likely from the same time 00:15:25 <caladan> lemme check, maybe i can find it 00:15:56 <Bjarni> the design is from 1923, but they started out without those smoke shields. They were added later, but I don't know how much later 00:16:06 <Bjarni> but it was before 1930 00:16:25 <caladan> got books about Steam Engines 00:16:32 <caladan> no ctrl+f there :/ 00:17:02 <Sacro_> Bjaaaaaaaaaaarni! 00:21:18 <Bjarni> hmm 00:21:25 <Bjarni> actually they added them rather late 00:21:32 <Bjarni> 1935-39 00:21:52 <Bjarni> which means they had severe smoke issues and had to drive blindly for more than 10 years o_O 00:22:02 <caladan> yep... 00:22:07 <caladan> cant find it.. 00:22:17 <Bjarni> then again, I'm not sure they had signals in the tunnel back then 00:22:20 <Bjarni> they do now 00:22:33 <Bjarni> they got funny signals in there 00:22:59 <Bjarni> you see, they lack room for signals, so they are actually just coloured lightbulbs on the wall 00:23:09 <caladan> hehe 00:23:51 <Bjarni> which is one of the reasons why locomotive drivers aren't allowed to be colourblind 00:24:16 *** Sacro_ is now known as sacro 00:24:19 <caladan> well, having all those semaphores with different order of lights... 00:24:19 *** sacro is now known as Sacro 00:24:40 <caladan> it can be from one light to 5 lights and additional one in poland i guess 00:27:15 <Bjarni> well 00:27:22 <Bjarni> signals can be a bit complex 00:27:32 <Bjarni> but green means go and red means stop 00:27:36 <Bjarni> at least most of the time 00:27:39 <caladan> :D 00:27:48 <caladan> and pulsing yellow means something else 00:27:59 <Bjarni> we don't have that here 00:28:07 <Bjarni> but yellow means slow down 00:28:07 <caladan> and yellow means something else to freight train and something else for passanger train 00:28:10 <Bjarni> well 00:28:14 <Bjarni> we do have flashing yellow 00:28:27 <Bjarni> it means slow down at next signal (it could be red) 00:28:50 <Bjarni> used when the next signal is in a curve or some other location, that's hard to see 00:28:51 <caladan> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semafor_(kolejnictwo) 00:29:02 <caladan> yep, something like presignal :D 00:29:10 <caladan> there you go polish signals 00:29:47 <Bjarni> actually directly translated, we do call them presignals 00:29:47 *** hrada [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 00:29:58 <Bjarni> the exception is that a presignal here can't show red 00:30:10 <Bjarni> so you can never be forced to stop 00:30:25 <Bjarni> it can however tell you to except a red signal 00:30:26 <caladan> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powtarzacz 00:30:43 <caladan> we call em like repeating signals, to show they repeat sometings that's ahead 00:31:25 <Bjarni> we got "dublicated" signals as well. They always show the same 00:31:25 <caladan> and there are also signals for manoeuvring 00:32:04 <Bjarni> like if there is a road right after a curve, there is a signal to indicate if the barriers are in place and it's safe to move on 00:32:13 <Sacro> arrghh, not polish signals 00:32:14 <caladan> http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarcza_ostrzegawcza 00:32:18 <Sacro> they are the work of the devil 00:32:33 <caladan> those at bottom show if crossing with road is ok 00:32:38 <caladan> white - all ok, full speed 00:32:42 <Bjarni> if the curve makes it impossible to see the signal in reasonably time, then there are two of them, one at the road itself and one just before the curve 00:32:43 <caladan> orange/yellow, slow down 00:33:11 <Bjarni> heh 00:33:19 <Bjarni> we also use white for crossing roads 00:33:25 <Bjarni> and yellow for slowing down 00:33:30 <caladan> only on fast lines, like > 100km/h 00:33:44 <Bjarni> do you also use red for disallowing passing signals? 00:33:46 <Bjarni> :) 00:34:18 <Bjarni> we don't have special signals for higher speed 00:34:33 <caladan> we do 00:34:42 <caladan> and those flashing green lights mean like 00:34:49 <caladan> no more than 100km/h 00:34:57 <Bjarni> if you go faster than x, then you have to be told in advance what the next signal tells you 00:34:59 <caladan> it depends what kind of line 00:35:22 <Bjarni> but even if you go like 40 km/h, those signals can be used if it's hard to see the signal or something 00:35:26 <caladan> normal thing, yellow warns of red, but sometimes if it flashes, it means something different 00:36:15 <Bjarni> if we get a flashing red signal, then it means that something is broken in the signal system 00:36:25 <Bjarni> I have never actually seen that in real life 00:36:26 <caladan> look here: http://www.kolejowo.rail.pl/images/strony/semafory/swietlne/S8.gif 00:36:40 <caladan> it means, at this signal no more than 100km/h 00:36:48 <caladan> and next one 40 or 60km/h :D 00:37:01 <caladan> http://www.kolejowo.rail.pl/images/strony/semafory/swietlne/S10.png 00:37:06 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:37:12 <Bjarni> oh, we got "speed messages" like that as well 00:37:18 <caladan> this one says: pass this signal at 40km/h and then go as fast as you can 00:37:21 <Bjarni> they are just "sub signals" 00:37:32 <Bjarni> like a white sign under the signal 00:38:06 <caladan> we can have flashing lights and orange or green bar under signal.. 00:38:18 <caladan> strange, never remebered what all these things do 00:38:55 <Bjarni> I like this message "allowed to pass at max 40 km/h and make sure to stop when you reach a red signal or stop sign because there can be a danger right after it" 00:39:16 <Bjarni> like it's not important to stop at red signals if you haven't got this message :D 00:39:32 <caladan> hehe :D 00:40:20 <caladan> i must say, one funny thing about polish railways is that we have a lot of signals for steam engines 00:40:31 <Bjarni> the idea is that it's used when you want to say join two DMUs. One enters the track and then this signal is used to allow the next one to enter the same track. The stop signal between those two lacks a safety distance so it's possible that there is a train 1 meter after the red signal 00:40:32 <caladan> and for well, unsnowing tracks 00:40:59 <Bjarni> normally there is a safety distance, just in case you get brake failures (like wet leaves on the track and so on) 00:41:16 <caladan> hmm, never seen something like that... 00:41:20 <voodoo070> lol wet leaves 00:41:26 <voodoo070> they make the wheels square lol :P 00:41:30 <caladan> they can be really slippery :P 00:41:41 <voodoo070> dutch railsroads have been complaining bout it a while back 00:41:42 <Bjarni> voodoo070: it's actually a serious issue 00:41:52 <voodoo070> breaking on wet leaves makes the wheels square 00:41:55 <voodoo070> cause of the sliding 00:42:07 <voodoo070> they had to do lots of wheel reshaping 00:42:09 <voodoo070> i guess ;) 00:42:14 <caladan> it depends what kine of wheels you got 00:42:19 <Bjarni> accelerating on wet leaves makes the wheels go round and round and the train... it's not accelerating 00:42:38 <caladan> there are two kinds as you probably know 00:42:49 <Bjarni> there are the round one and ? 00:42:58 <voodoo070> in belgium all wheels are square 00:43:01 <caladan> :D 00:43:07 <caladan> one kind is monolithic 00:43:16 <caladan> whole wheel is cast of one piece of metal 00:43:37 <caladan> and in poland we often use wheels on which you have to put some rings 00:44:01 <Bjarni> it's actually really bad not to use rings 00:44:11 <caladan> and if train brakes or in any ways makes wheel less round, you can just heat the wheel and take that ring from it 00:44:18 <caladan> repair and put it on again 00:44:35 <Bjarni> the rings are actually made soft on purpose to get worn faster. It's cheaper to replace wheel rings than tracks 00:44:49 <caladan> also true 00:44:58 <Bjarni> and replacing wheel rings is cheaper than replacing whole wheels 00:45:25 <caladan> that is the main problem in warsaw's undeground :D 00:45:32 <caladan> we had some trains from russia 00:45:42 <caladan> and these had thiso rings :/ 00:46:03 <caladan> then someone smart said: hey, those were our enemies for so long, lets buy from france :/ 00:46:14 <caladan> and they bought alstoms :/ 00:46:26 <Bjarni> actually if the wheel is damaged and needs repair, you can just drive it on top of a (some machine I don't know the English name for) and then the wheel will be turned and it will slowly take off the metal until it's round again 00:46:40 <Bjarni> you don't even have to take off the axle anymore :D 00:46:42 <caladan> yep, like peeling the weel :D 00:47:14 <caladan> so now it costs a lot of money to repair that alstom, they have problems with brakes and with doors... 00:47:37 <Bjarni> <caladan> then someone smart said: hey, those were our enemies for so long, lets buy from france :/ <-- sounds like USA. They drive in the right side because UK drives in the left one 00:47:40 <caladan> the good thing about products made in russia is that they are really HARD to break ;] 00:47:48 <Bjarni> and they didn't want to do the same 00:48:01 <voodoo070> ? 00:48:12 <voodoo070> or they suddenly had some sort of brick him their head 00:48:21 <voodoo070> and they finally chose to to The Right Thing (TM) 00:48:24 <voodoo070> :P 00:48:28 <voodoo070> to do even 00:49:07 <Sacro> mmmmmmm boobies 00:49:11 <voodoo070> maybe somewhere in the next 200 years itll happen again and theyll switch to metric :P 00:49:25 <Bjarni> <caladan> the good thing about products made in russia is that they are really HARD to break ;] <--- yeah. Durability and reliability are valued high in Russia 00:49:43 <caladan> look at AK-47 00:49:53 <Bjarni> also they tend to be cheap 00:49:54 <caladan> simple but accurate 00:49:56 <caladan> cheap 00:49:59 <caladan> easy to repair 00:50:06 <Bjarni> AK-47 is not accurate 00:50:10 <caladan> it is 00:50:12 <voodoo070> yeah but thats 1 of the only good things they made 00:50:15 <voodoo070> and no not very accurate.. 00:50:18 <Sacro> not on semi auto it aitn 00:50:23 <voodoo070> just very durable 00:50:28 <Bjarni> it just fires 100 bullets/minute, which is good enough even though it got a hard time aiming 00:50:32 <Sacro> guy on tv tried to shoot a transit van at 100 yards and coudnt 00:50:40 <Bjarni> it's accurate in single shot mode though 00:50:41 <caladan> ;] 00:50:57 <caladan> My father is a soldier, he hits man-like target at 50m with pistol ;] 00:51:17 <caladan> i wouldnt be sure he cant hit van at 100m with damn ak47 00:52:06 <Bjarni> in fully auto mode? 00:52:41 <Bjarni> auto mode works because the bullets goes everywhere, so all your enemies have to take cover 00:52:51 <Bjarni> a single shot kills one guy and then the rest can shoot you 00:53:24 <Bjarni> surprisingly it's not always about killing all of the enemies as fast as possible 00:53:34 <caladan> nope 00:53:35 <caladan> single shot 00:53:43 <Sacro> Bjarni: i dont think ak47 has full auto 00:53:46 <Bjarni> if you can make sure they can't fire on you, then you can buy some time 00:53:51 <Sacro> only semi auto 00:54:01 <caladan> accuracy isnt measured in auto mode ;] 00:54:11 <caladan> come one, all automatic weapns have to "kick" 00:54:13 <Bjarni> and for good reason 00:54:22 <caladan> it's the way they work 00:55:03 <caladan> it aint true that you can hold arm in front of you and fire in auto mode 00:55:13 <Bjarni> fully auto mode is when you pull the trigger and then it keeps on firing until you release right? 00:55:15 <caladan> you would shoot in 2 seconds at the ceiling 00:55:20 <caladan> yep 00:55:35 <Bjarni> semi auto is auto loading when you let go of the trigger, so you can push and pull it quickly 00:56:01 <caladan> hmm, i guess that semi auto is burst of some length 00:57:05 <caladan> hmm, nope your right 00:57:12 <caladan> semiauto is with reloading 00:57:54 <Bjarni> AK-47 got a spring, that's pushed backwards by the explosion in the bullet when firing. The movement of the spring will then throw out the empty shell and load a new bullet. Then the spring moves forward and hits the new bullet and is pushed backwards again 00:58:06 <Bjarni> I can't see why that should stop before it's out of ammo 00:58:34 <Bjarni> well, the barrel could overheat, but that's it 00:58:40 <caladan> there are to things to be done 00:58:43 <caladan> 1) reaload bullet 00:58:56 <caladan> 2) fire it, it means hit it's end with hmm "iglica" :D 00:59:15 <caladan> there's a switch, you use it to redirect gases 00:59:28 <caladan> so in semiauto gases from prev bullet do only reload 00:59:55 <caladan> and in auto they also cause next shot 01:00:05 <Bjarni> gasses? 01:00:18 <Bjarni> I think AK-47 is pure mechanical movements 01:00:21 <caladan> nope 01:00:28 <caladan> all auto relies on gasses 01:01:27 * Digitalfox hides before shots are fired.. 01:01:30 <Bjarni> it works with bullets containing regular gun powder, right? 01:01:44 <caladan> yep 01:02:02 <Bjarni> the gun powder explodes when hit hard with that metal thing 01:02:10 <caladan> aha 01:02:20 <Bjarni> the metal thing is then pushed backwards when the powder explodes 01:02:29 <Bjarni> where is the gas in this? 01:02:36 <caladan> hmm, not like this 01:02:48 <caladan> you got explosion and the volume of gas increases 01:02:51 <glx> gas propulses bullet 01:02:58 <caladan> it throws the bullet from barrel 01:03:12 <Bjarni> that's an explosion, right 01:03:13 <caladan> the there's a hmmm, pipe from barrel to spring 01:04:01 <caladan> when bullet passes certain point, the gas goes thru that pipe and throws away what was left of ammo, reloads next bullet and if you want full auto, takes that metal thing back 01:04:13 <caladan> and pulled trigger releases it once again 01:05:06 <Digitalfox> When i was doing my time at portugal army, i shot several times with a automatic G3.. And no way most of people can fire more than one bullet in a couple of seconds.. Automatic firing is hard to mantain the G3 in safe position 01:06:02 <caladan> Rifle automatic works on gas returning principle threw the channel in the barrel's wall. Barrel's channel is locked by a turning lock. AK-47 executes single or automatic fire. 01:07:04 <caladan> http://www.pbase.com/the_kampfer/image/47449546 01:07:07 <caladan> dodge that :D 01:07:31 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-226-38.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:35 <voodoo070> you're talking bout the same thing 01:08:42 <voodoo070> the explosion = expanding gas 01:08:46 <caladan> yep 01:09:08 <caladan> but look here: 01:09:15 <caladan> <@Bjarni> the metal thing is then pushed backwards when the powder explodes 01:09:15 <caladan> 01:51 <@Bjarni> where is the gas in this? 01:09:29 <voodoo070> gas is everywhere in everything 01:09:36 <voodoo070> if its not we call it vaccuum :P 01:09:38 <Bjarni> now I get it 01:09:45 <caladan> it's not direct explosion that makes it draw back and get another bullet 01:09:50 <Bjarni> voodoo070: I know :P 01:09:59 <caladan> than animation is nice :D 01:10:48 <Bjarni> also it makes more sense this way 01:11:20 <Bjarni> I always wondered how they constructed those metal thingies to move backwards when they don't in normal firearms 01:11:50 <caladan> pistols can also be automatic, like UZI's 01:11:56 <caladan> UZIs, damn... :/ 01:12:38 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:47 <Bjarni> I know 01:13:00 <Bjarni> but normal firearms needs reloading 01:13:21 <caladan> yep... 01:17:49 <caladan> anyone uses nts3g here? 01:18:18 <caladan> ntfs3g 01:18:20 <Bjarni> the colt pistol (forgot the name), that's famous for the gun from the westerns needed the cock (that's the name of the metal thing... I think) to be pulled backwards each time 01:18:27 <Bjarni> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9130124155072902952 <-- nice video 01:18:59 <Bjarni> they drop an AK47 in water and run it over with a car and it can still shoot 01:19:10 <Bjarni> while being wet 01:19:23 <Bjarni> water running out of it while firing o_O 01:19:24 <caladan> why should it? 01:19:34 <caladan> shouldnt it i meant? 01:20:04 <Bjarni> well, wet powder is of no usage, which actually tells more about the bullets than the gun 01:20:07 <Bjarni> I think 01:20:18 <caladan> true 01:20:21 <Bjarni> being run over tells that the gun can survive stuff 01:20:23 <caladan> and bullets are seled well 01:20:45 <voodoo070> actually water can make more delicate mechanics go wrong, but the gun isnt very delicate 01:20:45 <voodoo070> :P 01:21:15 <Bjarni> water can make it rust, but that's not an issue the same day 01:21:40 <voodoo070> guns need to be cleaned after use anyway 01:22:18 <Bjarni> correction: guns should be cleaned once in a while 01:22:27 <Bjarni> it's not the same as they are cleaned 01:23:51 <voodoo070> if i used 1 in a professional fashion, i'd make sure its clean and functional.. each time :P 01:25:23 <caladan> its more impressive with sand 01:26:47 <Bjarni> hmm 01:26:49 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hmm, does pixel doubling (ctrl+d) in windows not work with fullscreen? 01:27:17 <Bjarni> some guy is desperate. Now I got like 10 mails today telling how to get cheap viagra 01:27:26 <Bjarni> wtf should I buy that for??? 01:28:46 <Bjarni> in fact, for all the sender knows about me, I could be a child 01:28:56 <Bjarni> which would make those mails illegal 01:29:11 <Bjarni> they are illegal anyway, but it would make them severely illegal 01:29:53 <Bjarni> not to mention: who would spend money on buying pills on the internet with no info on what they contain at all??? 01:30:02 <caladan> hehe 01:30:10 <KeeperOfTheSoul> yay, doubling doesn't work fullscreen, so I havn't broken it :) 01:30:11 <caladan> dont ask us, we get the same mails as you do :P 01:30:20 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i fixed it my resizing issue, now it stores the windowed size seperatly to the fullscreen resolution in windows using directx 01:30:34 * KeeperOfTheSoul is happy, that was anoying me 01:30:49 <Bjarni> *her 01:30:51 <Bjarni> :P 01:32:31 <caladan> hmm, did anyone here use ntfs-3g? 01:32:57 <KeeperOfTheSoul> is there some proper way that I should store video driver capabilities? 01:33:31 <Bjarni> in the cfg file? 01:34:14 <KeeperOfTheSoul> this one isn't configurable, its set by the video driver in XXXStart, at the moment I've just got it as a bool in gfx 01:35:20 <Bjarni> then you decide how to handle your own hack 01:35:52 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i was just checking that there wasn't some official way to do this 01:36:32 <Bjarni> the official way of storing settings is to save them in openttd.cfg 01:36:54 <Bjarni> it can store bools if you like 01:38:11 <KeeperOfTheSoul> but it's not really a setting, i've changed the way the resolution drop-down in the settings works, but the video driver needs to support the change, if it does it sets the flag in XXXStart, if the flag is false then the settings uses the old method of working for other drivers to remain compatible 01:39:10 <Bjarni> so you mean you run a test when starting the game to see if it's supported? 01:39:51 <KeeperOfTheSoul> yup, if not the new method of working wouldn't work, and thus the user wouldn't be able to change the resolution correctly 01:40:36 <Bjarni> well, you figure it out 01:40:39 <Bjarni> I'm out of here 01:40:43 <Bjarni> goodnight 01:40:44 <caladan> me too... 01:40:47 <KeeperOfTheSoul> cya 01:40:49 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:49 <caladan> got to sleep sometimes 01:40:52 <caladan> gn 02:09:18 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 02:30:46 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75DCD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:37:11 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75B49.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:28:51 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:32:40 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-160-20.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:33:53 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:45:23 *** BFM 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und weg] 09:09:48 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@87.0.236.241] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:10:48 <Darkvater> morning 09:12:43 <peter1138> yes 09:16:56 <Darkvater> strange anwser :) 09:17:34 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@dns1.netanday.it] has joined #openttd 09:17:56 <Wolf01> yeah, my server is broken -.- 09:25:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8498D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:25:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:30:43 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:33:04 <Wolf01> wtf? the firewall noticed an attack to the server from the router and blocked it for 2 minutes 09:33:35 *** Tron_ [XiKG4iQ3@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 09:36:40 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:36:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 09:38:29 <Darkvater> 10:11 <Darkvater> holy crap 09:38:29 <Darkvater> 10:11 <Darkvater> you were awake at 5am? :O 09:38:40 <Darkvater> eek :O 09:38:42 <Darkvater> bad pasta 09:39:03 <Tron_> 0431 09:39:27 <Darkvater> Tron_: brr 09:39:31 <peter1138> pasta? 09:39:33 <peter1138> oh 09:39:34 <peter1138> paste 09:39:55 <Tron_> mmhhh... pasta 09:40:47 <caladan> im hungry too... 09:40:52 <Darkvater> toothpaste 09:41:02 <caladan> naaah, that aint edible :P 09:41:15 <Tron_> toothpasta? 09:41:40 <Darkvater> I smear it on my bread 09:42:35 <blathijs> "smear" ? 09:43:14 <Darkvater> campaign 09:43:22 <Darkvater> blathijs: so what about freetype support in the debs? 09:43:28 <Darkvater> did you compile it in or not? 09:44:31 <blathijs> not sure, haven't looked yet 09:44:34 <blathijs> I suppose I forgot 09:44:54 <Darkvater> can you look? :) 09:44:54 <Tron_> hm, removing the garbage should've reduced the size of struct Station by whopping 12 bytes 09:45:04 <Darkvater> but it didn't? 09:45:24 <Tron_> it did 09:45:41 <Tron_> it's still 344 bytes large, though (x86) 09:45:51 <Darkvater> the 'hm' and 'should've' were not entirely convincing 09:46:37 <Tron_> there's still much unecessary stuff around 09:47:07 <Tron_> if i'm not mistaken the bounding box of vehicles gets saved twice for special and disaster vehicles 09:48:20 <Darkvater> they are special *g* 09:48:22 * Darkvater hides 09:48:45 <peter1138> GoodsEntry is fairly large itself 09:48:57 <peter1138> and there're 12 of them in Station 09:49:54 <peter1138> some shuffling should reduce that size a bit 09:50:18 <peter1138> 20 bytes on my machine 09:50:37 <peter1138> hmm 09:50:40 <peter1138> ok, it won't 09:50:46 <peter1138> it stores 17 bytes, so... 09:50:56 <peter1138> might do for 64 bit machines though 09:55:50 <Tron_> well, size wasn't the primary concern 09:56:08 <Tron_> i just wanted to remove cruft 09:58:30 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=547835#547835 << another convert? *D 10:00:21 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=29991 << hmm has "Can flood land by placing buoys on canals 10:00:34 <Darkvater> " been committed by celestar already or not? 10:00:36 <Darkvater> can't quite remember 10:04:59 * peter1138 kicks ci... 10:05:01 <peter1138> ah, not here 10:05:20 <Darkvater> ci? 10:05:25 <Darkvater> cilestar :P 10:05:32 <Tron_> just not in this channel 10:05:44 <peter1138> cia-1 10:05:46 <peter1138> or 2 10:05:48 <peter1138> or... yeah 10:05:54 <Darkvater> ah 10:05:57 <Darkvater> !openttd commit 10:06:01 <_42_> Commit by KUDr :: r8480 /trunk/src/lang/slovenian.txt (2007-01-31 09:54:35 UTC) 10:06:02 <_42_> -Fix [lang]: Error caused by missing case 10:06:30 <Darkvater> why does WT always screw up languages? 10:06:47 <Darkvater> doesn't it have some type of internal integrity check before committing/accepting changes? 10:06:55 <Darkvater> MiHaMiX: doesn't it have some type of internal integrity check before committing/accepting changes? 10:07:54 <Tron_> KUDr: i'm not sure if this change is correct 10:08:03 <Tron_> nothing uses this "3sk" case 10:08:09 <Tron_> just one string is defined with it 10:08:34 <KUDr_wrk> Tron_: you are probably right but at least it doesn't produce "Fatal error" 10:08:48 <Tron_> this approach is wrong 10:09:02 <Rubidium> the 'problem' here was that the cases were changed and that WT2 did not check whether the removed cases were actually removed from all strings 10:09:11 <Tron_> it's better if it's broken than something being hidden 10:09:25 <Rubidium> ok, it might be wise to run strgen over all files before committing it though 10:09:53 <Tron_> the slovenian users won't die of some terminal illness if their language isn't supported for a day 10:10:56 <KUDr_wrk> they also won't die if one word has improper case for a while 10:11:07 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 2.0.0.1/2006120418]] 10:11:08 <KUDr_wrk> it is problem of slovenian translator 10:11:34 <peter1138> it's like bjarni's default: NOT_REACHED(); return; 10:11:37 <peter1138> hiding errors :) 10:11:58 <KUDr_wrk> MiHaMiX should see it easily if he will want 10:11:59 <Tron_> just let it be broken if you don't know how to fix it 10:12:12 <Bjarni> how can NOT_REACHED() be hiding the problem? 10:13:01 <KUDr_wrk> Tron_: i don't understand you << if i do mistake in trunk, it has highest priority to make it compilable again 10:14:07 <Tron_> pardon? 10:14:15 <Tron_> it works fine without slovenian 10:14:47 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: I don't agree. By hiding the problem it will have a lot less priority to have it fixed, or even see that something is wrong 10:14:48 <KUDr_wrk> Fatal error during build means all is fine? 10:14:54 <Tron_> there's a warning that it's broken, but that's no problem 10:15:14 <Tron_> yes, it means it's totally fine for me to compile ottd 10:15:16 <KUDr_wrk> "Fatal error" is a warning? 10:15:17 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: the only way now to fix it is to continually spam either MiHaMiX or several slovenian translators to fix the problem 10:15:19 <Tron_> it's just one translation 10:15:32 <Tron_> one totally unimportant translation i might add 10:15:39 <Tron_> EVERY translation is unimportant in this context 10:15:42 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: if the language is broken, doesn't compile, the translators will damn fast make sure it works again 10:15:47 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 10:15:52 <Tron_> the only file which absolutly mustn't be broken is english.txt 10:16:34 <Tron_> every other language is dispensable 10:16:56 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: for me, if a language fails in msvc I can still run openttd...it'll complain, would want to recompile the lang and whatever, but after the second try it's just ignored 10:17:14 <KUDr_wrk> it is interesting that now everobody disagrees. In the past when czech translation was broken many people told me "thanks" for fixing it the same way. Now it is not a problem? 10:17:46 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: the makefile has been changed so it doesn't abort the whole thing if a language is broken :) 10:18:03 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: plus you're czech and probably knew what the proper fix was 10:18:53 <KUDr_wrk> from the language perspective i did it correctly, but i dunno what cases were used in the code 10:19:47 <Tron_> which change do you mean? slovenian? 10:19:57 <KUDr_wrk> czech 10:20:18 <Darkvater> although my whole assumption of 'disagreement with KUDr_wrk's change' is based on the fact that tron's objections are valid 10:20:30 <KUDr_wrk> but here in this case the same is valid for slovenian 10:20:42 <KUDr_wrk> yes, i agree 10:21:04 <KUDr_wrk> but still if there is fatal error, there is fatal error 10:21:24 <KUDr_wrk> regardless of recent changes in makefile 10:21:40 <Tron_> valid for slovenian? i'm pretty sure it's wrong 10:22:04 <Tron_> just checked the diffs 10:22:11 <KUDr_wrk> why do you think so? Their language is very similar to czech 10:22:19 <Tron_> the wrong string was added in the same version as the cases where changed 10:22:25 <Tron_> and this case didn't even exist before 10:22:42 <Tron_> plus this case is never used 10:24:23 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: it is a fatal error for slovenian. Compile continues and you can run openttd nevertheless. So it's not really a fatal error 10:26:22 <peter1138> pom te pom 10:27:01 <Tron_> hmmmm 10:27:23 <Tron_> looking at czech the change there proably was wrong, too 10:27:42 <Tron_> only some strings with case "news" and "subs" are defined 10:27:44 <Tron_> but never used 10:28:30 <KUDr_wrk> Tron_: maybe, i didn't tell otherwise 10:28:40 <Darkvater> how do these subcases actually get used? 10:28:47 <Tron_> STRING.foo 10:28:59 <Darkvater> that always puzzled me; does ottd send some subcase to the string subsystem? 10:30:02 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=547739#547739 << his first actually enjoyable screen :) 10:30:17 <peter1138> Darkvater: it's magic :) 10:30:31 <peter1138> ah, sergye 10:30:44 <Tron_> the first seven cases look like the seven cases czech has. Some aren't used at all, but that's fine so far 10:30:49 <peter1138> the bus is scaled down i see. still looks shit though 10:31:07 <peter1138> and it suffers from the none-of-it-fits-together problem 10:31:16 <Tron_> big looks like nominative, but with uppercase first letter, that's fine too 10:31:20 *** kampasky_ [pasky@nikam-dmz.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:31:29 <Darkvater> peter1138: it's not that bad... similar to george's RV 10:31:40 <peter1138> Darkvater: well :P 10:31:48 <Darkvater> ony the internal size-relationships are a bit off 10:31:58 <Darkvater> yeah I know; they look eh... *peep* 10:31:59 <Tron_> but "news" and "subs" look wrong. Only defined strings, but never used 10:32:20 <Tron_> probably nominative can be removed, too, because the un-cased string should be exactly this 10:35:19 <Tron_> is any of the czech translators here atm? 10:37:01 <KUDr_wrk> hadez is cz tran 10:37:23 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-8a6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 10:38:52 <KUDr_wrk> should i send him email? 10:42:15 <Darkvater> czech is wrong? 10:42:47 <roboboy> gnight 10:43:19 <KUDr_wrk> Darkvater: probably "news" and "subs" 10:43:59 <Darkvater> how do those cases work? or cases in general? 10:44:11 <Darkvater> way too lazy to go dig strgen code atm if somebody knows ;) 10:44:28 <KUDr_wrk> huh, finally i got english.lng compiled (after removing slovenian) 10:45:07 <KUDr_wrk> it is really annoying that i must modify project to compile it 10:45:22 <Darkvater> are you sure? 10:45:25 <Tron_> Darkvater: {STRING.foo} to use case "foo" of the embedded string 10:45:29 *** Sionide [sionide@217.147.86.20] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:45:38 *** Sionide [sionide@217.147.86.20] has joined #openttd 10:45:49 <Darkvater> oh like that...so it's static? 10:45:58 <KUDr_wrk> it didn't produce english pack so it switched to spanish 10:46:05 <Tron_> the Makefile works fine for languages (if it wasn't broken for other reasons) 10:46:24 <KUDr_wrk> who cares about makefiles? 10:46:41 <KUDr_wrk> it doesn't work under VC 10:46:52 <Darkvater> Tron_: so you could actually just drop {STRING.foo} and substitute it by 'Foobar' everywhere 10:47:07 <Tron_> Darkvater: if you wanted to duplicate the using string N times 10:47:14 <Darkvater> good 10:47:17 <Darkvater> I get it now :) 10:47:32 <Tron_> Darkvater: like "$STATION now accepts {STRING.foo}" 10:47:50 <Darkvater> ooh 10:47:51 <Tron_> you'd need this string N times, once for each cargo 10:48:05 <Darkvater> and if you have coal.foo = ... gold.foo = 10:48:25 <Darkvater> cool 10:48:51 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: I'll check tonight, but I never had problems with a language not working and english.lng not getting generated 10:49:17 <KUDr_wrk> maybe it is just me, dunno 10:49:40 <KUDr_wrk> but it didn't work so i repaired it and got flamed 10:51:19 <KUDr_wrk> what if the magic formula in .cfg to enable sdl driver? 10:51:28 <KUDr_wrk> if->is 10:51:52 <Darkvater> KUDr_wrk: you need WITH_SDL as preprocessor define 10:51:57 <KUDr_wrk> i have it 10:52:01 <Darkvater> then just use -v sdl 10:52:07 <Darkvater> or video_driver = sdl 10:52:10 <KUDr_wrk> when runningm ahh so 10:52:15 <KUDr_wrk> thanks 10:52:17 <Darkvater> but don't pin me on the second one 10:52:35 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8498D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:49 <KUDr_wrk> "video_driver = blabla" should complain or not? 10:53:02 <Tron_> it won't work 10:53:05 <KUDr_wrk> in [misc]? 10:53:14 <Tron_> it won't work 10:53:19 <KUDr_wrk> but it ignores it 10:54:24 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:55:21 <Darkvater> if (dd == NULL) 10:55:22 <Darkvater> error("No such %s driver: %s\n", dc->name, buffer); 10:55:54 <KUDr_wrk> yes, ("-v blabla" produces this message) 10:56:04 <KUDr_wrk> just in config it is ignored 10:56:25 <Darkvater> that's weird 10:58:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 10:58:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:00:21 <KUDr_wrk> Darkvater: have it! "videodriver" 11:00:29 <peter1138> heh 11:00:31 <KUDr_wrk> missing '_' 11:00:36 <Darkvater> 11:52 <@Darkvater> but don't pin me on the second one 11:00:41 <KUDr_wrk> yes 11:00:43 <KUDr_wrk> i know 11:00:50 <KUDr_wrk> but i needed it 11:00:57 <Darkvater> but... the option is supposed to be in the config anyways 11:01:04 <Darkvater> with "videodriver = " 11:01:08 <KUDr_wrk> no 11:01:12 <KUDr_wrk> isnt 11:01:17 <KUDr_wrk> small_font = 11:01:18 <KUDr_wrk> medium_font = 11:01:18 <KUDr_wrk> large_font = 11:01:18 <KUDr_wrk> small_size = 6 11:01:18 <KUDr_wrk> medium_size = 10 11:01:19 <KUDr_wrk> large_size = 16 11:01:27 <KUDr_wrk> all options with '_' 11:01:34 <KUDr_wrk> this one not 11:02:14 <Darkvater> ah 11:02:57 <Darkvater> ah, yes of course 11:03:07 <Darkvater> the value is read-only and not saved back 11:03:19 <Darkvater> SDTG_STR("videodriver", SLE_STRB,C|S,0, _ini_videodriver 11:03:43 <KUDr_wrk> yes, i found it there :) but still don't understand 11:03:55 <KUDr_wrk> why it was made without '_' 11:04:38 <Darkvater> perhaps ludde ran out of _'s 11:04:41 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has quit [Server closed connection] 11:04:58 <KUDr_wrk> broken keyboard 11:04:58 *** _42_ [truelight@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 11:05:00 <peter1138> maybe it predates everything with _ :) 11:06:16 <Darkvater> B_ :) 11:14:20 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-159-155.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:13 <blathijs> Darkvater: I've been looking and the .debs are without freetype support 11:26:52 <blathijs> Darkvater: I added it, but autodetection fails... 11:27:58 <Darkvater> the debs are compiled binaries, right? 11:28:36 <Darkvater> autodetection on your system fails? Are you sure you have the freetype development libraries? 11:29:00 <blathijs> autodetection fails only when I do the final release build 11:29:06 <Darkvater> :O 11:29:14 <Darkvater> it doesn't fail for debug? 11:29:14 <blathijs> ie, using the build scripts to create a clean chroot 11:29:32 <blathijs> if I run the commands manually, everything seems to be ok 11:29:41 <Darkvater> I'd like an RC5 out by tomorrow or Friday the least 11:29:43 <blathijs> though It's hard to recreate the same environment 11:30:14 <blathijs> Darkvater: I'm trying to pass WITH_FREETYPE=1 11:30:24 <blathijs> Darkvater: just go without autodetection 11:31:44 <Darkvater> blathijs: just don't forget this when you make the RC5 binaries 11:32:01 <Darkvater> would be good to sort out though for the final which if really all is well is 2 weeks away 11:33:14 <Rubidium> hmm, lets backport that pre-join-newgrf check thingy 11:35:05 <blathijs> Darkvater: I have an svn repository for the packaging stuff, so if I commit it I can't forget it 11:36:35 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:11 <blathijs> hmm, that didn't work either :-S 11:46:41 <blathijs> Is fontconfig required for freetype support? 11:46:47 <peter1138> no 11:47:07 <peter1138> but it's useful 11:48:00 <blathijs> k 11:48:50 <blathijs> peter1138: What does it do? 11:49:19 <peter1138> it's the standard font managing system for gnome/kde these days 11:49:39 <peter1138> so using it we can find 'system' fonts easily 11:49:54 <blathijs> right.. 12:13:01 <Darkvater> blathijs: it means you can type medium_font = Verdana, Bold 12:13:22 <Darkvater> instead of medium_font = /opt/kde/share/fonts/donnuwhathisis/verdanab.ttf 12:13:30 <Darkvater> or wherever these fonts are kept 12:15:07 *** Arie^ [asdfsadf@arie.adsl.utwente.nl] has joined #openttd 12:16:25 <blathijs> Darkvater: k 12:18:22 <blathijs> ah, it seems forcing with WITH_FREETYPE=1 did work 12:18:31 <blathijs> I tried building i386 instead amd64, though :-) 12:18:43 *** Sionide- [sionide@217.147.86.20] has joined #openttd 12:19:30 *** Sionide [sionide@217.147.86.20] has quit [Quit: Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.0.5] 12:19:43 *** Sionide- is now known as Sionide 12:20:08 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:23:38 *** blindwaves [~woogleman@cm173.sigma118.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 12:33:09 <blathijs> Darkvater: Okay, it's fixed. Freetype and fontconfig will be in the rc5 deb 12:34:38 <Darkvater> good :) 12:34:42 <Darkvater> bot x86 and x64? 12:34:52 <blathijs> I presume so (haven't tested x86) 12:34:57 <blathijs> but no reason why it shouldn't 12:35:07 <blathijs> though I can't commit it right now, I just realized 12:35:14 <blathijs> my svn server died in a power surge last week 12:35:21 <Darkvater> lol 12:35:38 <blathijs> I should try booting it again this afternoon, I unplugged the power for a while, which hopefully will fix it 12:35:41 <Darkvater> I'll take your word for it then, just test it before putting the deb online :) 12:36:11 <blathijs> Darkvater: I just plainly forgot adding freetype support in rc4 12:36:19 <Rubidium> blathijs: I think it was rather a short power drop 12:36:32 <blathijs> Rubidium: that's a negative surge? :-P 12:36:44 <Darkvater> blathijs: not blaming or anything :) 12:36:52 <Darkvater> but I do have an appropiate quote to go with 12:37:06 <Darkvater> 21:53 <@Bjarni> but a bit more testing would have been nice 12:37:09 <blathijs> Darkvater: and since my debs are built in a clean debian chroot, there is no way freetype could have snuck in without being in the build dependencies :-) 12:37:13 <blathijs> heeh 12:37:19 <Rubidium> surge is a sudden rise; a surge protector does not protect you from a too low voltage, only a too high voltage 12:37:29 <blathijs> true 12:38:47 <Rubidium> sadly enough I'm familiar with the 'cannot boot computer after short power outage'-problem :( 12:40:32 <blathijs> I was about to brag about the server's uptime when I discovered it turned off by the power drop... 12:41:33 <Rubidium> ah well, 345 days between power loss isn't that bad, especially when it is a very short power loss 12:42:11 <blathijs> oh well 12:42:14 * blathijs is off to lab 12:51:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 13:01:00 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:04:58 *** Zaviori [~Zavior@d195-237-7-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 13:09:56 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:17:57 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:18:39 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7649.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:00 *** TinoDidri [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 13:30:21 *** Jezral [~projectjj@nat.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:55 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:16 *** thunder1 [~thu@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:37:51 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81D30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:37:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:43:29 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 13:47:27 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 13:57:26 *** GoneWack1 [~gonewacko@c18025.upc-c.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:59:47 *** ufoun [ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Quit: Koncim... www.hrada.info] 14:00:09 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has joined #openttd 14:03:37 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@c18025.upc-c.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:37 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 14:07:22 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:08:29 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 14:16:43 *** Empero [empero@212.149.222.156] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:20:31 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 14:25:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:28 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:37:09 <Bjarni> <Rubidium> surge is a sudden rise; a surge protector does not protect you from a too low voltage, only a too high voltage <--- to protect against too low voltage, you need an UPS 14:37:25 <Bjarni> so it's a matter of how much you will spend on protecting your hardware 14:37:50 <voodoo070> if its truely important you'll have a ups anyway :P 14:38:19 <Bjarni> not unlikely 14:38:20 <Bjarni> bbl 14:38:41 <Maedhros> haha, http://www.getacoder.com/projects/need_operating_system_42879.html 14:40:03 <voodoo070> lol :P 14:40:13 <voodoo070> he has 3000,-! 14:40:15 <voodoo070> ;) 14:42:15 <Darkvater> nice budget 14:42:42 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:46:06 *** Gonozal_VIII [Gonozal_VI@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 14:51:24 <peter1138> hehe 14:55:54 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:00:14 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:13:08 *** CIA-1 [cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #openttd 15:15:28 <caladan> zalatwilem 15:16:30 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 15:17:09 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:17:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:18:39 <caladan> 3k$ for such project, who is he? write windows for 3k$ <LOL> 15:19:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:19:13 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:30 <Sacro_> caladan: you just seen that? 15:20:39 <caladan> yup 15:21:36 <Darkvater> just looking through random commits 15:21:56 <Darkvater> r8455 atm: int multihead = (rvi->flags&RVI_MULTIHEAD?1:0); << why not boolise multihead Belugas? 15:23:09 <caladan> and what good would it do? 15:23:49 <Darkvater> int bla = TRUE ? 1 : 0 15:24:02 <Darkvater> that's just bullshit if bla is only used as a boolean 15:24:34 <peter1138> Darkvater: did you lose commit access? ;)_ 15:25:23 <Darkvater> just bored at work 15:25:29 <peter1138> is it the weekend yet? 15:25:32 <Darkvater> although 15:25:33 <Darkvater> SetDParam(1, rvi->weight << multihead); 15:25:41 <peter1138> ah 15:26:05 * Darkvater would've been more glad with int mulithead = flags&multihead? 2 : 1; rvi->weight*multihead 15:26:05 <peter1138> although i'm wondering about removing that, possibly 15:26:27 <Darkvater> I'm gone on Friday though for a week 15:26:37 <Darkvater> I 'ope you guys can survive without me ^^ 15:26:40 <peter1138> unlikely 15:27:29 <Darkvater> thought so :) 15:27:38 <Darkvater> just don't kill each other in the meantime 15:27:46 * peter1138 ponders what to merge 15:27:55 <Darkvater> the '?" 15:27:57 <Darkvater> '?' 15:28:01 <Darkvater> so I can backport for RC5 15:29:09 <peter1138> you've got the backport patch ;p 15:29:20 <Darkvater> but I need zh'e reference 15:29:24 <Darkvater> ;p 15:29:46 <Darkvater> anyways...did you see the ingame font-gui? 15:29:51 <peter1138> yes 15:30:02 <peter1138> a real copy of the screen, anyway 15:30:11 <Darkvater> rofl 15:31:07 <Darkvater> not such a bad idea... although imho it is pretty useless 15:31:25 <Darkvater> so much code for a feature that you will use only about one time only 15:31:45 <caladan> Darkvater: true, not used much, but I cant setup right font for polish :/ 15:32:00 <caladan> tried that few times, editing .cfg and then running game... 15:32:14 <Darkvater> Maedhros: r8466: const HouseSpec pointers please... 15:32:35 <Darkvater> don't see how that would help you ingame... 15:32:50 <Darkvater> just use Tahoma bold 15:33:16 <caladan> ok, gonna check it 15:33:37 <Maedhros> Darkvater: they're not constant though, i'm changing some of the data they point to... 15:33:38 <Darkvater> windows? 15:33:45 <Darkvater> Maedhros: not in the first loop you aren't 15:33:52 <Maedhros> ah, true 15:36:46 <Darkvater> he r8475, r8476 what's with all these _obsolete member vars in the station struct? 15:39:59 * Darkvater slaps CIA-1 15:40:06 <Darkvater> you bitch, we missed out all of today's commits 15:42:46 <Tron_> i removed them 15:43:22 <Darkvater> I know, just surprised as you were this morning there was so much crud in there 15:43:30 <Darkvater> even marked as crud, yet not removed 15:46:12 <caladan> Darkvater: thx, had some problems with hmm, writing proper font name really... 15:46:21 <Darkvater> caladan: windows? 15:46:33 <caladan> Linux 15:46:42 <caladan> now it's ok 15:50:42 *** TinoM| is now known as TinoM 15:52:46 <caladan> OTTD in polish, strange thing :D 15:57:52 <peter1138> right 15:58:36 <peter1138> there is a developer meeting planned for monday at 2100 UTC 15:58:46 <peter1138> although i think the agenda has yet to be determined, heh 15:59:09 <peter1138> so Darkvater, you'll have to cancel your holiday 15:59:18 <peter1138> assuming it is, heh 16:03:23 <Darkvater> caladan: in linux you need to do Tahoma, Bold 16:03:39 <Darkvater> don't ask me why, but I think rubidium needed that for fontconfig-parsing 16:04:03 <Darkvater> peter1138: really? I seem to have not been invited to this meeting 16:04:24 <Digitalfox> 2100 UTC is what time in GMT? 16:04:24 <Darkvater> is that from t? 16:04:43 <caladan> Darkvater: i did tahomabd.ttf and that worx too 16:04:50 <peter1138> Digitalfox, uh... 2100 GMT... 16:05:59 <Digitalfox> UTC is the same thing has GMT??.. This time conversions i just don't get.. :| 16:06:10 <Darkvater> it's not the same 16:06:20 <Darkvater> if it were the same they wouldn't have different names, would they now? 16:06:44 <Digitalfox> Darkvater: So what's the difference? 16:07:10 <Darkvater> UTC has a 'U' and a 'C' whereas GMT does not 16:07:14 <voodoo070> lol 16:07:23 <Digitalfox> Darkvater: lol 16:07:27 <Darkvater> they do share the similar looking 'T' which could be the source of your confusion 16:07:32 <voodoo070> UTC = atomic time, GMT = astronomic time 16:07:46 <voodoo070> UTC uses extra seconds now and then to make up the difference 16:07:50 <voodoo070> afaik 16:08:06 <peter1138> gah 16:08:06 <Digitalfox> Is there a site where i can make time conversions? 16:08:13 <peter1138> where's the cap for my usb key... 16:08:28 <Darkvater> mktime() 16:10:10 <Digitalfox> Ok i found this one http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html i have to use it.. :) 16:21:02 <TheMask96> -> UTC: Coordinated Universal Time - the international basis for other time zones. Same time as for GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) <- google ;) 16:21:46 <Darkvater> shiitt, forgot to reply to those ppc guys ;O 16:21:57 * Darkvater adds one more item to todo list 16:23:01 * peter1138 has a very important matter 16:23:09 <Darkvater> whohoo spamcound: 618 16:23:13 <peter1138> concerning the welfare of the team 16:23:24 <peter1138> i am going to get some more tea :) 16:23:32 <Darkvater> *hear* *hear* 16:23:47 <Darkvater> get some cookies as well 16:24:02 <Darkvater> "Be sexual giant all night long. " 16:24:20 <Darkvater> "With Ultra Allure Pheromones women will see you in their dreams every night." 16:25:19 <peter1138> crisis over 16:25:42 <Darkvater> I just love spam 16:25:47 <peter1138> where by dreams they mean nightmares? 16:25:51 <Darkvater> "Always wanted to look like a super model. Finally, your dream will come true with Anatrim." 16:26:01 <Darkvater> Anatrim + Ultra Allure 16:26:06 <Darkvater> teh pwn! 16:27:53 <Darkvater> kk, going home :) 16:27:56 <peter1138> bye 16:28:01 <Darkvater> anatrim!!! 16:28:06 <Darkvater> bye 16:28:13 <Belugas> if it's not making babies sleep tight, it's not worth it 16:29:05 <Belugas> bye Darkvater 16:32:58 <peter1138> gah, i need to pgp encrypt from within asp :/ 16:36:16 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355abe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:37:35 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6785.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:50 <peter1138> meah 16:44:49 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 16:45:17 <Wolf01> bbl 16:45:20 *** Wolf01 [~Wolf01@dns1.netanday.it] has quit [] 16:50:27 <Ailure> fgdsafdfdsfdsfdsafdsf 16:50:31 <Ailure> stupi newGRF window 16:50:36 <Ailure> I always forget about that save changes button 16:52:06 <Ailure> testing aviator set D: 16:52:14 <Ailure> saw that modern zeppeliners was added 16:52:28 <Ailure> which is quite realistic as I heard that they might be used for freight again 16:55:58 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has joined #openttd 16:56:57 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C875.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:57:25 <Neonox> Tron : Ping 17:02:39 <Maedhros> can someone check this patch please? it 17:03:05 <Maedhros> it's a fix for http://bugs.openttd.org/task/539 17:03:14 <Maedhros> http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_payment_gradual_loading.diff 17:06:44 <Tron_> + /* XXX: Remove */ 17:06:45 <Tron_> ? 17:07:31 <Maedhros> well, it was to make sure i hadn't done anything stupid, but i didn't think it should be committed 17:11:20 <Tefad> the improved loading algorithm seems to have problems when there are quite a few engines in a train 17:12:00 <Tefad> i'm using NAR grf and the double decker passenger is made like an engine 17:12:12 <peter1138> known 17:12:14 <Tefad> ah ok. 17:12:35 <peter1138> first one is known, second is fixed 17:12:47 <Tefad> my train has stream engine with tender then 21 cars (engines) 17:12:52 <Tron_> peter1138: known? 17:12:55 <Tefad> is it supposed to be an engine? 17:22:47 <peter1138> mainly with gradual loading 17:22:59 <peter1138> causing longer delays at stations 17:23:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:21 <peter1138> Tefad: what revision? 17:25:18 <Brianetta> "Improved" loading has problems when you have more than one mode of transport, type of cargo, or even just believe that more than two platforms buys you any favours... 17:26:39 * Maedhros plans to add real fifo loading at some point 17:26:49 <Maedhros> i think KUDr might as well... 17:31:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:31:53 <Wolf01> evening 17:32:24 <Tefad> i have 8437 17:33:54 <Tefad> 1020 passengers and 204 bags of mail per train.. weee 17:34:58 *** PandaMojo [~chatzilla@ip72-197-231-130.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:16 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 17:38:23 <MeusH> hello 17:40:44 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x53589005.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:40:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 17:42:14 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:15 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:42:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 17:42:24 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 17:43:13 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 17:44:45 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.146.46] has joined #openttd 17:47:22 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc77.host5.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 17:52:43 <Brianetta> http://ppcis.org/standard/screenshot.png 17:53:20 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:40 <Maedhros> hehe, nice 17:59:56 <Tefad> oh i see now 18:00:10 <Tefad> why the hell are there "engines" as double decker passenger 18:00:14 <Tefad> there's also a car 18:01:57 <Bjarni> what? 18:02:20 <Bjarni> are you talking about the bug in the nightly build from last night? 18:02:32 <Bjarni> some wagons turned into locomotives 18:02:42 <guru3> lol 18:03:10 <Tefad> i don't know 18:03:13 <Bjarni> I specially like the passenger car from the DB XL set, that turned into a steam locomotive and started making steam puffs 18:03:14 <Tefad> i've had this running for a few days 18:03:32 <Bjarni> it lacked power though, so it could not move on it's own, but it could be pushed 18:03:36 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc77.host5.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:55 <Tefad> double decker with 1hp and 0kN TE 18:04:06 <Tefad> also a snow plough 18:04:11 <Tefad> or plow.. whatever 18:05:16 <peter1138> the snow plough is normal 18:06:41 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc47.host3.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:08:31 <peter1138> if it has 1 hp, it's supposed to be like that 18:08:38 <peter1138> if it has 0 hp, it's supposed to be a wagon, heh 18:08:40 *** mikl [~mikl@tbv.faderhuset.org] has quit [Quit: In the end, all that matters is your relation with God...] 18:08:53 <Tefad> hmm i'm wondering why the double decker has 1hp then 18:09:05 <Tefad> "bi-level passenger carriage" 18:09:26 <Brianetta> plow is US spelling 18:09:31 <MeusH> maybye there is a horse attached to the wagon? 18:09:42 <MeusH> it happens that Germans loose current in overhead wires 18:09:52 <MeusH> and this is where horses start pulling wagons 18:09:56 <Brianetta> I suppose I'd better go home 18:09:59 <Tefad> this is supposed to be american set 18:10:03 <Tefad> but it's spelled snowplough 18:10:07 <MeusH> a steam is... well, horses eat and return things, too :p 18:10:09 <Tefad> so i was slightly confused 18:10:09 <peter1138> wait? 18:10:11 <peter1138> in NARS? 18:10:21 <Tefad> yeah 18:10:37 <Tefad> i think my language is set to "american" 18:10:37 <peter1138> i don't remember NARS having a double decker carriage 18:10:42 <Tefad> hmm 18:10:46 <Tefad> it's NAR something 18:11:08 <Tefad> North American Renewal Trainset 18:11:28 <Tefad> there's a doodlebug 18:12:56 <peter1138> ah, bi-level passenger carraige 18:13:00 <peter1138> i remember wrong :) 18:14:07 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:30 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc47.host3.starman.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:16:38 <peter1138> ... 18:16:40 <peter1138> still compiling :/ 18:18:07 <peter1138> ah 18:18:27 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:18:53 <peter1138> interesting 18:19:01 <peter1138> there are *two* bilevel passenger carriages... 18:20:23 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has quit [] 18:20:40 <Gonozal_VIII> quadlevel? 18:20:45 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:20:55 <peter1138> and, indeed, there is in 0.5.0-RC4 18:21:02 <mikk36> lol 18:21:16 <mikk36> i shouldn't be on the net now :D 18:21:23 <mikk36> that's what the isp told me 18:21:36 <mikk36> that the signal is so weak that i should not be able to be on the net :) 18:21:40 <peter1138> Tefad: i think it's a NARS "feature" 18:24:02 <peter1138> although it's strange 18:24:11 <peter1138> cos there are no engines for it 18:39:48 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: The pedestrian had no idea which way to run, so I ran over him.] 18:42:35 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@pc104.host4.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 18:45:53 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176117054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:45:54 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:02 *** KUDr [KUDr@mazanec1.netbox.cz] has joined #openttd 18:56:33 <Tefad> neat 18:57:32 <Darkvater> back 19:00:43 <Belugas> welcome, back 19:00:52 <Belugas> welcome Bach 19:01:02 <Belugas> well, come, Back 19:01:13 <Belugas> her... 19:01:31 <Belugas> can't find anything else non-intelligent to say :S 19:02:06 <Darkvater> beee 19:02:10 <Maedhros> haha, could be worse :p 19:02:30 <Darkvater> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=548084#548084 19:02:32 <Darkvater> lolol 19:03:13 <Tefad> whoa no more phantom oil rigs eh 19:07:36 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:08:56 <hylje> wtf :D 19:09:15 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C875.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 19:10:16 <Belugas> hehe "oh screw it... i'm off to walk the dog..." Such a valid argument :) so strong ! 19:10:47 <Maedhros> any objections to http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_payment_gradual_loading.diff? 19:11:02 <Maedhros> going to be fun to backport to 0.5 though... 19:11:04 <Darkvater> Belugas: he does have a point though! 19:11:29 <Darkvater> Maedhros: what does it fix? 19:11:38 <Darkvater> eh nvm 19:11:40 <Darkvater> you can't backport it 19:11:47 <Belugas> what? the legality of OTTD or the urge to walk the dog? 19:12:11 <Rubidium> Darkvater: actually you can, by misusing some SLE_CONDNULL 19:12:12 <Darkvater> the point that locomotion is more moddable because...eh..he needs to walk the dog 19:12:21 <Darkvater> or something 19:12:28 <Belugas> hehe 19:12:48 <peter1138> more moddable? 19:12:51 <peter1138> it's rubbish 19:13:03 <Belugas> but Dalestan had a point too. AFAIK, you can only modd the vehicles 19:13:14 <Belugas> but i've not been far in locomotion, 19:13:24 <Belugas> althoug i have to admit, i like the graphics 19:13:24 <peter1138> no varactions! 19:13:44 <Belugas> but i've been known to not be very sane :S 19:13:50 <Darkvater> Rubidium: no you can't backport it. If you load this game with version 45 the bridges won't be updated for example. If you make it version <next-0.5> you'll get clashes with <next-0.5> of trunk 19:14:11 *** Darkvater changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.0-RC4 | Locomotion sucks 19:14:23 <Rubidium> you do not necessarily need to increase the savegame version 19:14:25 <caladan> yeeeeeee, i agrrrree :D 19:14:47 *** Darkvater changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.0-RC4 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Bug-reports: bugs) 19:15:03 <Darkvater> Rubidium: looking at the diff he has to 19:15:34 <Darkvater> but I don't consider this backport-worthy 19:15:44 <Darkvater> requires way too much manual intervention to make it work 19:16:09 <Darkvater> I like this though: 19:16:10 <Darkvater> - LS_CARGO_PAID_FOR, 19:16:11 <Darkvater> + LS_CARGO_PAID_FOR, // Obselete, as the amount paid for is now stored in v->cargo_paid_for. 19:16:19 <Darkvater> so it's obsolete, but still there ;p 19:16:47 <Maedhros> shall i just remove it and CLRBIT(v->load_status, 2) then? 19:17:16 *** ceji [~ceji@20.66.3.213.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 19:17:54 <Darkvater> commentatorised, but yes 19:17:58 <peter1138> what you could do 19:18:04 <peter1138> instead of saving state 19:18:16 <peter1138> is do money stuff during unloading 19:18:42 <peter1138> for each step 19:19:43 <peter1138> but keep a running total that's used for display when unloading finishes 19:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause4> so for a wagon carrying 30 units, you would get 6 "income" messages? 19:20:02 <peter1138> this running total could possibly be wrong on loading a game, but it's only for display 19:20:34 <Maedhros> leaving stations isn't too well defined though, as far as i remember 19:21:08 <blathijs> "not too well defined" is an understatement 19:21:29 <peter1138> doesn't matter 19:21:40 <blathijs> I've implemented fifo loading once, and that was the most work: Finding all the places in the code where trains might decide to leave a station :-) 19:21:57 <peter1138> if (orderstatuschanges && running total > 0) { show(running total); running total = 0; } 19:22:53 <Maedhros> everywhere in the code that causes trains to leave the station? 19:23:29 <peter1138> i don't know 19:23:31 <peter1138> i'm meta-coding 19:23:38 <peter1138> just an idea 19:23:51 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-65.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 19:24:20 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:59 <blathijs> Maedhros: Just call TrainLeavesStation() at all those places and put the stuff in that funciton 19:26:03 <blathijs> or something like that 19:27:05 <Maedhros> hmm, could do 19:27:23 <Maedhros> next question - is it worth it? ;) 19:28:04 <blathijs> Maedhros: http://kat.student.utwente.nl/~matthijs/openttd/fifo.diff 19:28:21 <Maedhros> blathijs: cool, thanks 19:28:21 <blathijs> Maedhros: I created a function Fifo_EnterStation and Fifo_LeaveStation 19:28:39 <blathijs> it's agains r148, though 19:28:44 <Darkvater> well at least syn with KUDr as well 19:28:49 <blathijs> so you might have to do some searching :-) 19:29:08 <peter1138> ok 19:29:12 <peter1138> overtime or ottd time? 19:29:19 <Darkvater> go home 19:29:21 <peter1138> i am 19:29:40 <Darkvater> how does overtime fit into that 19:29:46 <peter1138> i can work from home 19:29:52 <Darkvater> ah 19:29:57 <Darkvater> do they pay you extra? 19:30:00 <peter1138> yes 19:30:24 <Darkvater> hmm, suboptimal 19:30:32 <blathijs> just extra hours, or also extra per hour? 19:30:41 <Darkvater> at work you can do ottd and you get paid, at home you have to do real work to get paid 19:30:43 <peter1138> both 19:30:48 <peter1138> heh 19:30:54 *** Wolfolo|AWAY [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:30:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolfolo|AWAY))] 19:33:39 * peter1138 ponders doing ottd and still claiming overtime... 19:34:53 <Darkvater> oi. isn't that risky? 19:35:02 <Darkvater> or you just vpn in and idle... 19:35:04 *** thunder1 [~thu@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:22 <Bjarni> ok, now I managed to make a statically linked OpenTTD, which relies on my homebuild freetype lib 19:35:40 <Belugas> [14:35] <@Darkvater> or you just vpn in and idle... <---- Hey! That's MY job! 19:35:45 <Darkvater> does it show the glyphs properly? :) 19:35:52 <Bjarni> this one *should* look nice with the Japanese stuff 19:36:00 <Darkvater> *should* eh? 19:36:06 <Darkvater> please test :) 19:36:13 *** thunder1 [~thu@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:13 <Darkvater> Belugas: he 19:36:14 <peter1138> we don't like testing 19:36:17 <Darkvater> buncha freeloaders 19:36:18 <Bjarni> I don't know Japanese, so I don't know if the letters are printed right :P 19:36:23 <Darkvater> :O 19:36:34 <KeeperOfTheSoul> should i just delete the line: STR_4803_POWER_STATION.3sk from slovenian.txt? 19:36:35 <Bjarni> but it's the version this Japanese guy recommended 19:37:03 <Bjarni> and it appears to work well with latin letters 19:37:10 <Bjarni> how else am I going to test this? 19:37:15 <Darkvater> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=544195#544195 << here your reference 19:37:44 <Bjarni> maybe I should try ????.ttf and see what happens 19:37:47 <Darkvater> KeeperOfTheSoul: it's not used is it? 19:38:43 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i have no idea, but it chokes when compiling, and there is an identical line above without the .3sk 19:38:54 <Darkvater> are you a slovenian translator? 19:39:23 <KeeperOfTheSoul> nope, i just want to complile it, so i was wondering if it were safe to remove it 19:39:31 <Darkvater> just disable the language 19:41:28 <KeeperOfTheSoul> how do I do that? 19:41:30 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: www.sexybiggetje.nl] 19:41:40 <Darkvater> properties > don't compile 19:42:00 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl8-40-113.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Bye Bye...] 19:42:53 <peter1138> here, and, now 19:43:45 <Darkvater> gimp: error while loading shared libraries: libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0: cannot open 19:43:48 <Darkvater> hurray? 19:44:00 <Darkvater> what kind of a crap packet managment program is this? 19:45:50 <peter1138> crap packets! 19:46:30 <hylje> :o 19:46:49 <Darkvater> tfarago@arrakis:~> find /opt -iname *gimpwidget*so* 2> /dev/null 19:46:49 <Darkvater> /opt/gnome/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 19:46:49 <Darkvater> /opt/gnome/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0.200.11 19:46:52 <peter1138> a sergey post :D 19:46:56 <Darkvater> libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 => not found 19:46:57 <peter1138> more real copies 19:47:00 <Darkvater> libgtk-x11-2.0.so" target="_blank">libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /opt/gnome/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so" target="_blank">libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb7cc5000) 19:47:01 <Bjarni> I think it works like it should. I think this guy uses a font that I lack though, but when I compare the individual letters to how they are drawn by the OS, they look ok 19:47:10 <Darkvater> ok what am I missing here? 19:47:18 <Bjarni> and readable 19:47:19 *** Wolfolo|AWAY is now known as Wolf01 19:47:21 <Darkvater> Bjarni: screenshot? 19:47:30 <Bjarni> sure 19:47:33 <Bjarni> one moment 19:47:35 <peter1138> The appearance of a skin is shown on a real copy of the screen 19:47:37 <peter1138> heeeeeeh 19:47:52 <Darkvater> so it finds one so but not the other in the same directory? 19:47:55 * Darkvater is puzzled 19:48:07 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 19:50:00 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/screenshot.png 19:50:01 <Darkvater> o_O 19:50:08 <Darkvater> I needed to execut ldconfig....again 19:50:32 <Darkvater> Bjarni: doesn't look good 19:50:32 <Bjarni> is this ok... your guess is as good as mine 19:50:44 <Bjarni> I think it's a bad font 19:50:51 <blathijs> Bjarni: It still looks like gibberish ;-p 19:50:51 <Bjarni> it looks the same at the OS level 19:50:57 <Bjarni> yeah 19:50:59 <Bjarni> totally 19:51:12 <peter1138> the NewGRF text should look clearer 19:51:17 <Darkvater> It doesn't work with English either - that is why I tried using Chalkboard first. Both machines are PowerPCs (one G3, one G4) running 10.4.8. 19:51:20 <peter1138> and the OpenTTD, heh 19:51:24 <Darkvater> oh wait 19:51:24 <Bjarni> it looks like I only got one Asian font, so testing more than one is kind of tricky 19:51:28 <peter1138> amd the console 19:51:34 <Darkvater> /System/Library/Fonts/Hiragino Marugo Pro W4.otf << do this one 19:51:44 <Bjarni> I think the Japanese guy decided to install the full Asian font package. I didn't 19:52:25 <Darkvater> I don't think you have the byte-interpreter enabled in freetype 19:53:28 <Bjarni> how do I control that? 19:54:30 <Bjarni> is it a compile time setting? 19:54:37 <Bjarni> I mean when compiling the lib 19:55:22 <peter1138> yes 19:55:26 <Ailure> :o 19:55:27 <peter1138> i think ;p 19:55:41 <Ailure> I really need to start with C++ programming 19:56:16 <Darkvater> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=544349#544349 19:59:23 <Darkvater> god, why does gimp suck so much? 19:59:34 <Bjarni> hmm 19:59:55 <Bjarni> where did you find this piece of code? 20:00:43 <Bjarni> and what specifically do I need to do to enable this? 20:01:14 <Darkvater> *faint* 20:01:19 <Darkvater> it's in the freetype source code 20:01:29 <Darkvater> and enable the define OBVIOUSLY 20:01:48 <Darkvater> or read the readme 20:01:56 <Darkvater> cause I might remember incorrectly 20:02:14 <Bjarni> what is a readme? 20:02:16 <Bjarni> :P 20:02:21 <peter1138> figures 20:02:52 <Bjarni> I was joking 20:04:45 *** Sillium [~x@e180096150.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:56 *** Sillium [~x@e180096150.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 20:07:25 <peter1138> do it 20:09:55 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Quit: Logout] 20:11:28 <Bjarni> ok, now I will try to make a new build of OpenTTD 20:11:32 <Bjarni> let's see what happens 20:11:41 <hylje> :o 20:19:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:25 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/screenshot2.png <-- here we go again 20:20:26 <Bjarni> same font 20:20:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Darkvater * r8497 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp variables.h): -Codechange: Increase the size of the sound/video/music-drivers to 32 bytes (instead of 16) so their actual parameters can be passed. Sound has for example 'bufsize' and 'hz'. Also use the recently introduced StrEmpty(). 20:20:49 <peter1138> crapper 20:20:57 <peter1138> hehe 20:21:05 <peter1138> i came across that problem too :D 20:21:14 <Darkvater> it looks even crappier 20:21:26 <Darkvater> peter1138: what'd you do? 20:21:31 <Darkvater> Bjarni: try the font the guy suggested 20:21:32 <peter1138> nothing 20:21:41 <Darkvater> he 20:21:41 <peter1138> i think i changed it to 32 somewhere 20:21:49 <peter1138> or 20:21:51 <Darkvater> oh that, I thought the font 20:21:51 <peter1138> hardcoded the parameter :P 20:22:01 <peter1138> damn 20:22:01 <Darkvater> peter1138: no you 32'd it in the sdlmixer one 20:22:04 <peter1138> i've done the worst thing: 20:22:07 <peter1138> no work, and no ott 20:22:09 <peter1138> +d 20:22:15 <peter1138> ah 20:22:25 <Darkvater> I couldn't figure out for about an hour why it wouldn't accept the parameters :( 20:22:35 <Darkvater> went all down on the code until I discovered it just didn't fit 20:23:06 <Darkvater> Bjarni: try it with the font the guy suggested and if that doesn't help just post both binaries online and see what he gets 20:23:10 <peter1138> oo er 20:23:12 <peter1138> lucky code 20:23:24 * peter1138 grows up 20:23:43 <Darkvater> < puzzled@peter 20:23:43 * Sacro_ doesnt grow up and sniggers 20:23:47 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 20:23:48 *** Tron_ [XiKG4iQ3@nat-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:24:38 * Belugas thinks Darkvater should improve his knowledge on music, Peter Gabriel, for instance... 20:25:26 <peter1138> and the BULGE 20:25:37 <peter1138> in my big big big big big big big big BIG 20:25:55 <Belugas> TIME 20:26:11 <Darkvater> this does not help my puzzling 20:26:15 <KeeperOfTheSoul> anyone noticed that switching between fullscreen/windowed makes other program windows slowly creap across the screen? 20:26:23 <hylje> xbox hueg 20:26:53 <hylje> KeeperOfTheSoul: windows are generally rendered lazily 20:28:01 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hylje: I don't mean inside ttd, I mean other windows, if i keep fullscreening/un-fullscreening ttd things like irc slowly make their way to the bottom right corner of the screen? 20:28:35 <hylje> i was talking generally 20:28:47 <hylje> and wtf are you constantly fullscreening and back 20:28:51 <hylje> use windowed mode 20:28:55 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hmm, maybe they always do that then :) 20:29:04 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hylje: I was testing a change I made 20:29:27 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i prefer fullscreen as then i can run it at a lower res, otherwise everything is too small 20:30:13 <KeeperOfTheSoul> the trouble I found is that if you resize the window when in windowed mode it would change the fullscreen resolution and I would have to set it again in the options 20:30:23 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/japanese.png 20:30:24 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/japanese-bytecode.png 20:30:30 <hylje> i enjoy my 133dpi display 20:30:35 <KeeperOfTheSoul> which was anoying as the options didn't list my resoltion (turns out its a 32bpp only resoltion) 20:30:35 <Bjarni> I finally managed to actually getting it to accept that font 20:30:51 <peter1138> Bjarni: wow, it changes the tiles too 20:30:57 <hylje> and i run ottd in a smallish window 20:31:08 <peter1138> i run ottd at 800x600 20:31:12 <Bjarni> looks like my editor (3rd party one) do not work well with Japanese chars 20:31:14 <hylje> fullscreen is a waste of screen estate 20:31:20 <hylje> unless it can be put to use 20:31:22 <peter1138> full screen, on a 21" monitor 20:31:26 <peter1138> but, hey, i'm blind :P 20:31:27 <hylje> :o 20:31:35 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hylje: but I can't read anything when running at 1920x1200 20:31:47 <hylje> im on a 1600x1200 res, 15,4" 20:31:55 <hylje> i can read stuff perfectly 20:31:59 <caladan> Hmm, i use 1280x1024 and that fits fine on 19" 20:32:03 <Darkvater> how does it change tiles? 20:32:06 <Bjarni> for the record: I selected this resolution for making those screenshots. I'm not using it normally 20:32:10 <peter1138> Darkvater: poor joke 20:32:20 <Bjarni> I just wanted something smaller when uploading it 20:32:32 <peter1138> caladan: bah, x960 20:32:38 <peter1138> 1024's the wrong size ;p 20:32:40 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i find it a little troubling to do things like seeing signals near stations when there is a lot there, i just can't see them, and i can't zoom in anymore 20:32:46 <peter1138> unless it's a tft 20:32:53 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:53 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hence I like to drop to a lower res 20:33:00 <caladan> i have got 4:3 screen, not 16:9 20:33:09 <Darkvater> Bjarni: it seems the built-in bytecode interpreter does a decent job, so it doesn't really matter it seems 20:33:10 <Bjarni> however now I wonder. I can't tell the difference between the bytecode one and the non-bytecode one 20:33:11 <peter1138> yeah, then 1280x960 is correct 20:33:20 <hylje> caladan: 1280x1024 is 5:4 20:33:31 <Darkvater> Bjarni: I wonder what was wrong with the shared lib...must be a really crappy one that's shipped with OSX 20:33:47 <caladan> ok, i mean hmmm, that normal, old screen type 20:33:52 <hylje> bytecode, for what? 20:34:02 <Bjarni> it's an old version that ships with OSX 20:34:05 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:34:11 <Bjarni> now I downloaded the source for the newest version 20:34:13 <MeusH> hmm 20:34:15 <MeusH> hello again 20:34:30 <Bjarni> newest stable, that is 20:34:32 <MeusH> is it possible to remove a file from CD-RW without completly erasing the CD? 20:34:40 * peter1138 switches to 1600x1200 for "fun" 20:34:46 <MeusH> or it would be just a quick delete from TOC? 20:34:51 <Bjarni> MeusH: no, not if you already recorded it 20:34:52 <MeusH> like in plain CD-Rs? 20:35:02 <MeusH> thank you 20:35:14 <KeeperOfTheSoul> which one is prefered, sourceforge patch tracker or flyspray? 20:35:20 <hylje> fs 20:35:51 <blathijs> Maedhros: Is my diff any help? 20:36:46 <Maedhros> blathijs: it's interesting, but i think it's persuaded me that for this fix, it's easier to save the variable :) 20:36:52 <Darkvater> KeeperOfTheSoul: fs 20:37:14 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CB29.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:37:19 *** MeusH_ [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has joined #openttd 20:38:00 <blathijs> Maedhros: what variable, exactly? 20:38:01 <Bjarni> Darkvater: now I wonder. Should I try to make a universal lib with the bytecode enabled or just use the one I already got, where I didn't enable it? 20:38:04 <Bjarni> the latter is easier ;) 20:38:04 *** MeusH [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:08 <Bjarni> but it looked like it mattered to the first font, but that font appeared to suck anyway 20:38:20 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-65.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:23 *** KritiK_ [Maxim@ppp85-141-225-65.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 20:38:25 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 20:38:28 <Maedhros> blathijs: v->cargo_paid_for (see http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_payment_gradual_loading.diff) 20:38:41 <Darkvater> it's up to you whether you dare use patented code ;) 20:38:58 <Bjarni> good point 20:39:06 <Bjarni> then I will just use the lib I already got 20:40:23 <Darkvater> I would opt for the eh bytecode one 20:40:47 <Bjarni> well 20:40:53 * peter1138 watches as apple smacks down on bjarni 20:41:04 <Darkvater> hehe 20:41:05 <Darkvater> although 20:41:17 <Bjarni> I lack a universal lib with the bytecode enabled. I already got the other one 20:41:21 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has joined #openttd 20:41:31 <Bjarni> which means it's a great timesaver to use the one I already got 20:41:31 * peter1138 idly forgets about atari, or whoever :P 20:41:32 <Darkvater> if you use freetype 2.2.3 (latest, released in january) they say they've done a great job improving the unpatented-interpreter 20:41:54 <Bjarni> I'm using 2.3.0 20:42:23 <Darkvater> I am kinda glad Apple is not as big as MS. Looking at all the news I've been reading about them they would be even worse 20:42:27 <Darkvater> eh I mean 2.3.1 :) 20:42:38 <Darkvater> This is a bugfix release for version 2.3.0. All users should upgrade. See this page for the release notes. 20:42:54 <Bjarni> crap 20:42:59 <Darkvater> haha 20:43:01 <Bjarni> then I should make a new lib anyway 20:43:13 <Darkvater> - The TrueType interpreter sometimes returned incorrect horizontal 20:43:14 <Darkvater> metrics due to a bug in the handling of the SHZ instruction. 20:43:26 <Darkvater> - A typo in a security check introduced after version 2.2.1 20:43:26 <Darkvater> prevented FreeType to render some glyphs in CFF fonts. 20:44:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387CB29.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:47:00 <Bjarni> 2.3.1 is released today 20:47:43 * peter1138 releases bjarni 20:48:11 <Darkvater> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 20:48:46 <peter1138> oh 20:48:55 * glx still using 2.2.1 and goes to update it 20:48:55 <Bjarni> it was released 12 hours and 40 minutes ago 20:49:10 <Bjarni> I think Darkvater just realised something bad 20:49:28 <Darkvater> that you have been unleashed upon us 20:49:32 <Darkvater> eh 20:49:42 <Darkvater> that you got beenunleashed upon us 20:49:46 <Darkvater> ' ' 20:49:47 <Darkvater> there 20:49:53 <Bjarni> you have known that for ages by now 20:50:38 <peter1138> hmm, very near r8500 20:57:14 *** ceji [~ceji@20.66.3.213.cust.bluewin.ch] has left #openttd [] 20:59:40 <KeeperOfTheSoul> i guess patches need to be confirmed before they show up in flyspray? 20:59:41 *** scia [~scia@AveloN.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:00:19 <peter1138> no 21:00:29 <KeeperOfTheSoul> hmm, odd, maybe it didn't post then? 21:01:33 <KeeperOfTheSoul> ahh, that search box searches who it assigned to, not who raised it, heh 21:01:45 <KeeperOfTheSoul> yay for random unlabed boxes :) 21:03:24 <KeeperOfTheSoul> gah, dam it, it was ment to be filed as a patch, not a bug 21:03:45 <Wolf01> what is the function to get the coordinates from a tile? 21:04:06 <peter1138> TileX(tile) and TileY(tile) 21:04:11 <Wolf01> thanks 21:04:35 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:10 <peter1138> arg fucking el 21:05:29 <peter1138> bashed my head on my printer 21:05:37 <peter1138> and it's an HP LJ4... 21:06:27 <KeeperOfTheSoul> is anyone around who can fix my balls up and change this to a patch? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/588 21:06:31 <Wolf01> now you have a photo of yours :D 21:06:38 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has joined #openttd 21:06:54 <Wolf01> *you should have 21:07:04 *** dfox [~dfox@r4az242.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:07:22 <Wolf01> when i kick my printer it prints shoes 21:07:42 <peter1138> this prints fuck all 21:07:52 <peter1138> the toner cartridge needs replacing 21:08:21 <KeeperOfTheSoul> don't complain, i have an epson stylus here, all it seems to print is ink, everytime you turn it on, it just eats the stuff 21:09:46 <peter1138> it's spelt separate, by the way 21:09:46 <Wolf01> what a printer is assumed to print? 21:10:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:10:56 <KeeperOfTheSoul> dam it, why don't IDEs come with a spell checker 21:10:59 <blathijs> Maedhros: Don't you still need to find all places where trains might leave a station? 21:11:04 <blathijs> Maedhros: to display the money? 21:12:54 <Maedhros> blathijs: not with that patch. i do if i rewrite it to use peter1138's method 21:13:32 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C875.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:15:27 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/231_japanese.png 21:15:28 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/231_english.png 21:15:34 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/231_russian.png 21:15:36 <Bjarni> same font 21:15:38 <Bjarni> looks ok 21:15:48 <Bjarni> well, maybe not Russian, but the rest 21:16:21 <Bjarni> any Russians in here? 21:16:50 <Tron> the russian font is monospaced 21:17:00 <Tron> the english one is a proportional font 21:17:11 <glx> russian font looks weird 21:18:11 <peter1138> OpenTTO ? 21:18:26 <Bjarni> it's a soft D 21:18:30 <Bjarni> not O :P 21:18:53 <Bjarni> can I add arguments to the fonts to make them bold? 21:19:06 <peter1138> , bold 21:19:49 <peter1138> tahoma's russian looks nicer 21:19:56 *** BFM [~chatzilla@CPE-144-131-69-85.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:20:42 <Bjarni> tahoma is not installed by default in OSX 21:21:34 <Bjarni> , bold is not working :( 21:22:12 <peter1138> Arial Unicode MS works ok 21:22:17 <peter1138> no bold with that though 21:22:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:03 <Bjarni> heh, I lack that font 21:23:06 <Bjarni> figures :P 21:23:09 <peter1138> yeah 21:23:13 <peter1138> we should distribute it 21:23:21 <peter1138> it's only 23MB 21:23:53 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:07 <Tron> you may not distribute Arial 21:24:20 <Bjarni> the font I just used in the screenshots is only 9,6 mb 21:24:26 <Bjarni> Tron: I think it was a joke 21:24:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [] 21:24:56 <Tron> i just wanted to make sure nobody gets ideas 21:25:01 <Bjarni> heh 21:25:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:25:13 <Tron> most things concerning fonts are ... hairy 21:25:48 <peter1138> :) 21:26:15 <Tron> well, Simutrans has some fonts 21:26:55 <Tron> cyrillic bdf font, only 26k 21:27:05 <Tron> some japanese font, 990k 21:27:11 <Tron> bdf, too 21:27:47 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has joined #openttd 21:27:55 <Tron> we could also compress them 21:28:15 <Tron> 4,1k resp. 142k with gzip 21:30:45 *** bubersson [~bubersson@mnisek.casablanca.cz] has left #openttd [] 21:31:26 <Tron> (gzip comes for free with zlib) 21:32:31 * peter1138 wonders if freetype can load gzipped fonts directly 21:32:54 <peter1138> probably 21:35:08 <KeeperOfTheSoul> is there a way to apply patches to arbitry files in tortoise svn? 21:37:47 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.80.3] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:37:54 *** Sacro [Ben@87.102.80.3] has joined #openttd 21:38:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8498 /trunk/src/ (aircraft_cmd.cpp openttd.cpp): 21:38:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 21:38:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: Move the update of the oil rig airport type to the recently (r8485) added loop 21:39:32 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/freetype.diff <--- nobody commented on this diff? 21:39:54 <Bjarni> last chance. No comments means no objections :) 21:41:23 <Darkvater> Bjarni: !!!!!!!!!!!1 21:41:24 <Darkvater> +# OSX got freetype by default, while 21:42:14 <Sacro> Bjarni: i object 21:42:50 <Bjarni> Sacro: nobody cares about your talent for objections 21:42:55 <Sacro> :o 21:43:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: tron * r8499 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: 21:43:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix 21:43:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (?): When removing an oil rig replace the station tile by water, not bare land 21:43:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:46:08 <Bjarni> # OSX always have freetype, even though it can be failed to be detected with our previous test 21:46:08 <Bjarni> # fontconfig is also present by default, but the default one is too old for OpenTTD 21:46:08 <Bjarni> # if the user installed a newer one, he/she can modify Makefile.config to enable it 21:46:10 <Bjarni> better? 21:46:27 <Darkvater> NO 21:46:29 <Maedhros> always has! 21:46:41 <Darkvater> "it can be failed to be detected" ?? 21:47:01 <Bjarni> yeah... that detection previously fails to work on OSX for some reason 21:47:08 <Darkvater> no 21:47:10 <Darkvater> that is not english 21:47:26 <Sacro> Bjarni isnt english... 21:47:56 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.146.46] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 21:48:02 *** silent [~pwr@86.121.146.46] has joined #openttd 21:48:16 <Bjarni> , even though it can fail to be detected with our previous test 21:48:36 <Bjarni> <Sacro> Bjarni isnt english... <-- isn't English 21:48:37 <Bjarni> :P 21:49:11 <Sacro> [21:48] <<Bjarni>> <Sacro> Bjarni isnt english... <-- isn't English <-- isn't English. 21:49:20 <Bjarni> good point 21:49:29 <Sacro> the point is what ends the sentance 21:50:06 <Wolf01> Sacro, sentence 21:50:17 <Sacro> Wolf01: nevar! 21:50:56 <Bjarni> Wolf01: he is from Hull. Sentence there means sentenced to jail 21:51:02 <Bjarni> so it's a taboo word 21:51:08 * Wolf01 write in the notebook a new english rule: the second E in a word should be an A 21:51:13 <Bjarni> even though it happens to most of them all the time 21:51:38 <Bjarni> eek 21:51:42 <Bjarni> oh wait 21:51:44 <Bjarni> eak 21:51:48 <Wolf01> :) 21:53:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-168-177-167.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 21:54:14 <Bjarni> http://devs.openttd.org/~bjarni/freetype.diff <-- so, do you approve now? 21:56:13 <Darkvater> better 21:57:21 <Bjarni> to be honest, I will not bother spending a great deal of time investigating why the test fails on OSX when I know this will work and that the makefile rewrite solved it, so it's an 0.5 issue only 21:57:25 <Wolf01> there is somebody who can help me? http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/G%20-%20DragDrop_RemoveStationTiles_8496.diff 21:57:25 <Wolf01> i can't figure out where is the error, but i'm sure that it passes both the first 3 tests in the tile loop 21:58:00 <Bjarni> "passes both the first 3 tests"? 21:58:09 <Wolf01> ehm...all 21:58:28 <Wolf01> i was writing 2, but i noticed they are 3 21:59:12 <Wolf01> (but the first one should be removed) 21:59:49 <Bjarni> err 21:59:58 <Bjarni> either the command fails or it passes 22:00:10 <Tron> "removed" is redundant, it's equivalent to "quantity != 0" 22:00:16 <Tron> what is the error anyway? 22:00:28 <Wolf01> "can't remove station tile" 22:01:03 <Bjarni> debug it and set a breakpoint 22:01:34 <Wolf01> i debugged it with some printf 22:01:52 <Bjarni> that could also do 22:01:57 <Bjarni> if you placed them right 22:02:11 <Bjarni> then you know where it fails 22:02:30 <Bjarni> if not, then you print the wrong stuff and/or at the wrong line 22:02:50 <Darkvater> what's wrong with a debugger? 22:03:46 *** ChrisM87 [~ChrisM@p54AC7649.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:08:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r8500 /branches/0.5/makefiledir/Makefile.libdetection: 22:08:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Fix: [OSX] freetype failed to be detected (now it's always enabled because Xcode installs it) 22:08:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: [OSX] fontconfig is disabled even if it's found because the default one in OSX is 2.1.0 and OpenTTD needs at least 2.3.0 22:08:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: FREETYPE_CONFIG is only set when it's undefined. This makes it possible to add it as argument to make 22:08:43 <Wolf01> flags is 0 22:09:12 <Bjarni> <Darkvater> what's wrong with a debugger? <-- not all people like debugging loops with a real debugger 22:09:58 <Wolf01> not all people use an IDE to code and debug 22:10:05 *** Neonox [~Neonox@p57B2C875.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: bin wech....] 22:10:08 <peter1138> 3 fixes in one commit? 22:10:24 <Bjarni> peter1138: read the diff. They are closely related 22:10:32 <Bjarni> so closely that it makes sense 22:10:45 <Maedhros> any more comments on http://dev.gentoo.org/~maedhros/openttd/fix_payment_gradual_loading.diff ? 22:15:20 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@dD5772982.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:33 *** Mucht_ [~Mucht@p57A0DE76.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:53 *** MUcht [~Mucht@p57A0DE19.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:34 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176117054.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 22:31:49 *** Sionide [sionide@217.147.86.20] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:21 *** Sionide [sionide@217.147.86.20] has joined #openttd 22:33:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r8501 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp openttd.cpp saveload.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle.h): -Fix (r7377) [FS#539]: Keep track of how much cargo has been paid for, so that cargo cannot be paid for more than once. 22:39:14 <Maedhros> good night 22:39:24 <Darkvater> gn 22:41:12 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:17 <Wolf01> Bjarni, so it is the "flags" which is 0 in my patch, that's why i can't remove a station tile 22:42:44 *** gass [~any@81.84.150.85] has joined #openttd 22:50:51 *** green-devil [~rendmig@0x57355abe.vgnxx6.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [] 22:54:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CBA2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:55:38 <Wolf01> 'night 22:55:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host203-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [] 23:05:29 *** MeusH_ [~MeusH@host-ip18-138.crowley.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:29 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387C577.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:11:57 *** Dextro [~dextro@84.90.228.100] has quit [Quit: Fui embora] 23:15:06 *** Purno_ [~Purno@5351CF18.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Life is a game of pick-up-sticks, played by fucking lunatics.] 23:15:47 *** Rens2Sea [~Rens2Sea@213.211.185.168] has quit [] 23:16:07 <Eddi|zuHause4> Bjarni: btw. it is "Die Schweiz" (with article, and without 'land') 23:16:18 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CB29.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:21:17 <Bjarni> that's in German. I tried to spell it in English 23:21:21 <Bjarni> not that you could tell :P 23:21:39 <Bjarni> I had to look it up 23:21:44 <Bjarni> it's spelled Switzerland 23:21:56 <Bjarni> don't ask me how I tried to spell it though 23:22:09 <Bjarni> but now that you are here anyway 23:22:17 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause4: I got an assignment for you 23:22:28 <Bjarni> I wonder about the Harz mountain 23:22:49 <Bjarni> looking at the maps, google earth and so on, it seems to be out of place with it's location 23:23:00 <Bjarni> I mean, it's not a real mountain generating area 23:23:26 <Eddi|zuHause4> it's the northernmost mountain range in germany 23:23:28 <Bjarni> and it has nice well defined edges 23:23:40 <Bjarni> how is it made and how old is it? 23:23:57 <Eddi|zuHause4> i used to have a 3d map of it somewhere 23:24:22 <Bjarni> well, yeah, it's more than just one mountain top, but to me, it looks like it's just one big massive rock 23:24:52 <Bjarni> so I wonder if it is something like Ayer's Rock... something uniquely created at location million of years ago 23:25:20 <Bjarni> Ayer's Rock is a piece of land that rotated 90° for unknown reasons, making it vertical 23:25:26 <Bjarni> and it goes far into the earth 23:25:39 <Bjarni> making it really special compared to everything else in the area 23:25:55 <Bjarni> I wonder if there is a similar somewhat unique story to Harz 23:26:10 <Eddi|zuHause4> well, i got taught that it is a split of the earth that raised, while the surrounding area lowered 23:26:27 <Eddi|zuHause4> which is probably not that uncommon 23:27:10 *** Mizipzor [~Mizipzor@c-8a6370d5.020-16-6b736810.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:50 <Eddi|zuHause4> but it is in that far different from for example the "Erzgebirge" (between 'Sachsen' and 'Böhmen') that the harz stayed basically horizontally, while the erzgebirge tilted, and it's different from the 'Alpen', which got folded 23:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause4> and then there are other mountain ranges, which are of vulcanic origin 23:30:03 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498EF4A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:31 <Eddi|zuHause4> but i don't know any more specific 23:30:32 <Bjarni> folded mountains aren't that far from volcanic active areas 23:30:48 <Bjarni> since folding involves generating volcanoes 23:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause4> hm, i don't know of any vulcanic activity in the 'Alpen' 23:31:20 <Bjarni> it seems odd that the mountain should raise and the land lower 23:31:32 <Bjarni> the mountain is heavier than the land. It should go downwards 23:31:57 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause4> hm, i don't know of any vulcanic activity in the 'Alpen' <-- they are south of them... In Italy 23:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause4> you should ask a geologist, he should be able to explain this in more detail 23:32:57 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D988.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:33:01 <Bjarni> I think even the volcanoes in southern Italy are related to the forces, that creates the Alps. You see, the earth works on a great scale 23:33:36 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause4> you should ask a geologist <-- and you would be ? 23:33:51 <Eddi|zuHause4> not a geologist ;) 23:33:56 <Bjarni> figures 23:34:24 <Bjarni> so you are an idle uneducated slacker? 23:34:55 <Eddi|zuHause4> errr... 23:35:08 <Eddi|zuHause4> that probably describes it best :p 23:35:44 <Bjarni> great 23:35:50 <Bjarni> that leaves more time for OpenTTD coding 23:35:52 <Bjarni> get to work 23:37:03 *** thunder1 [~thu@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:13 *** thunder18 [~thu@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:38:13 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [] 23:39:01 *** thunder18 is now known as thunder1 23:44:06 *** caladan [~caladan@161-be2-18.acn.waw.pl] has quit [Quit: leaving]