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00:01:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the railway site does not tell prices :( 00:03:47 * Belugas feels like he's going to work on rail costs 00:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> if i tell it "only local trains" it takes 30 hours :p 00:04:03 <Belugas> not tonight, not tomorrow, 00:04:07 <Belugas> but maybe soon 00:05:30 <Sacro> lolman: i hacked around 00:05:38 <lolman> Sacro, it works? 00:05:39 <Sacro> hopefully the makefile is happy 00:06:02 * Sacro needs to add more musics 00:06:57 <lolman> Sacro, it's good music 00:07:26 * Belugas will deintoxicate in his bed 00:07:39 * Belugas goes poouf! 00:07:42 <lolman> Night Belugas, if you're going 00:08:26 <Sacro> lolman: im in a rock mood 00:08:41 <lolman> Sacro, I can tell :) 00:08:53 <Sacro> i need a drink 00:08:58 <Sacro> but i have nothing but fresh orange 00:09:11 <Sacro> and i have a lack of toilet paper 00:09:14 * lolman has some Dandelion 'n' Burdock here to keep him ticking 00:09:17 <Sacro> i dunno what to od :( 00:09:19 <Sacro> *dp 00:09:22 <Sacro> *do 00:09:41 <lolman> Heh 00:10:23 <lolman> Just reminded self, need to install webcam drivers :) 00:10:30 <Sacro> oh aye ;0 00:10:36 <lolman> Aye 00:11:09 <lolman> Never use it, but it's useful to have there 00:11:44 <Sacro> think i sorted it 00:11:49 <Sacro> MAKE INSTALL=1 needs setting 00:12:02 <Sacro> any more troubles and i'll prod the debian maintainer 00:12:24 <lolman> Heh 00:12:26 <Sacro> with no hacky sed 00:13:12 <Sacro> grr :( 00:13:16 <Sacro> cannae find the grfs 00:13:37 <lolman> That's the trouble I had, was chucking them in the home folder instead of where they should have been 00:13:44 <Sacro> yeah 00:14:28 <Sacro> hmm 00:14:52 <lolman> Damn this reminds me of last summer 00:15:01 <lolman> sitting in here all night :P 00:15:08 <Sacro> what does? 00:15:23 <lolman> Just beng in here regularly again 00:15:28 <Sacro> ah yes 00:15:31 <Sacro> i love it in here 00:15:40 <Sacro> and on irc.quakenet.org #tycoon ;) 00:15:45 <lolman> I enjoyed last summer, was awesome 00:16:00 <Sacro> GOD DAMN YOU MAKEFILE 00:16:07 <lolman> :( 00:16:16 <Sacro> you are indeed severley badgered 00:16:21 <Sacro> and is ./configure even used 00:17:08 <Sacro> blathijs: you around? 00:17:23 * Sacro pokes the debian maintainer for help 00:18:33 <Sacro> make INSTALL=1 PREFIX=/usr BINARY_DIR=bin ICON_DIR=share/pixmaps DATADIR=share/openttd PERSONAL_DIR=.openttd USE_HOMEDIR=1 00:18:35 <Sacro> should work 00:19:17 <Sacro> hmm 00:19:22 <Sacro> maybe i have to prefix with / as well 00:19:30 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish.] 00:20:09 <lolman> Hmm maybe 00:20:14 <lolman> Actually, no 00:20:31 <lolman> I tried, it just added another slash to the path it tried to use 00:20:50 <Sacro> bah 00:20:54 <Sacro> actually 00:24:11 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp85-141-224-238.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:24:44 <Sacro> ah ha 00:24:51 <Sacro> put DATADIR instead of DATA_DIR 00:25:24 <lolman> :) 00:26:07 <Sacro> bingo 00:28:03 <lolman> lol@#tycoon 00:28:45 <Sacro> whoah, mad moment there 00:28:50 <Sacro> right, now to upload to AUR 00:29:07 <lolman> Yay :) 00:29:21 * Sacro wants to become the official ArchLinux maintainer 00:30:04 * lolman would vote for Sacro if he had an account 00:31:44 <Sacro> http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=9391&O=0&L=0&C=0&K=openttd&SB=n&SO=a&PP=25&do_MyPackages=0&do_Orphans=0&SeB=nd 00:33:49 <lolman> Got it :) 00:33:52 <lolman> Making now 00:34:16 <Sacro> its got rid of those horrible sed hacks on the makefile 00:34:38 <lolman> :) 00:36:16 <Sacro> lolman: it doesn't move the manpage :( 00:36:24 *** Sacro|Laptop [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:35 <lolman> Least of my worries :) 00:37:08 <Sacro> hmm 00:37:13 <Sacro> that can be fixed though i think 00:37:58 <Sacro> X appears to be borked 00:38:00 <Sacro> or gnome 00:38:26 <lolman> Dunno why lol 00:39:44 <Sacro> me neither 00:39:49 <Sacro> hmm, cba with manpage 00:42:16 <lolman> Gonna spectate an online game to keep me ticking for a bit :P 00:42:21 <Sacro> lol 00:42:28 <Sacro> gonna reup the PKGBUILD 00:42:31 <Sacro> with fixed manpage 00:42:37 <lolman> Okies :) 00:43:02 <Sacro> just mv $startdir/pkg/usr/openttd/docs/openttd.6 $startdir/pkg/usr/man/man6 00:43:45 <lolman> Just dump it at the end? 00:43:56 <Ammler> Hi, does someone of you know the dest_pax patch command? 00:44:07 <Ammler> to switch it on over console 00:46:36 <lolman> Sacro, thanks for the PKGBUILD :) 00:49:28 <Sacro> lolman: still can't get the manpage going 00:49:30 <lolman> And one question: have you bothered trying to get graphical bootup working? 00:49:35 <Sacro> but everything else seems to work 00:49:42 <Sacro> im using gensplash currently 00:49:48 <Sacro> and grub-gfx 00:49:58 * lolman doesn't understand the wiki page for some reason 00:50:10 <Sacro> setup ssh and ill get it going :p 00:50:16 <lolman> lmao 00:50:34 <lolman> Gimme a minute then :) 00:51:28 <lolman> Any groups the user needs to be in? 00:51:43 <lolman> In fact...PM ;) 00:52:03 <Sacro> PM? 00:52:06 <Sacro> i see no PM 00:52:17 <lolman> Hang on, I'm sending it now :P 00:54:19 <glx> Ammler: try list_patches to get it's name 01:02:01 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:11 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:07:13 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:52 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:13:54 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 01:18:25 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-54-104.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 01:19:47 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:20 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB491E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read 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08:53:35 <Wolf01> there's a way to resolve this? (is not OTTD, but another project, but i don't know who ask :P) 08:53:42 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:59:50 *** Nigel_ [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has joined #openttd 09:01:39 *** Nigel [~nigel@202-154-147-139.ubs-dynamic.connections.net.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:02:26 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:12:31 <Rubidium> Wolf01: apparantly something has already defined something that is defined in stdlib.h I guess or something that should be defined isn't 09:12:54 <Rubidium> and why wouldn't you know who to ask? You must have downloaded it from somewhere 09:13:25 <Wolf01> from a friend, but he had the same problem :P 09:14:11 <Wolf01> however thanks, seem that i/he resolved moving the #include <stdlib.h> at the top 09:20:35 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D] 09:20:42 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 09:24:05 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:33:34 <boekabart> does anyone understand what Leviath.NL means in this reply: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=577816#577816 09:33:51 <boekabart> actually one above that one 09:41:16 <peter1138> boekabart, i did an update, http://fuzzle.org/o/deepwater.diff 09:41:35 <peter1138> it fixes a problem with making flooded vehicles crash 09:41:52 <peter1138> still has the problem of ships being drawn at 0 09:42:56 <peter1138> oh 09:43:03 <peter1138> i left the transparency stuff in :/ 10:05:23 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@121.44.233.113] has joined #openttd 10:05:29 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@121.44.233.113] has quit [] 10:05:45 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:09:27 <boekabart> transparency stuff? 10:10:32 *** Nigel_ is now known as Nigel 10:14:03 <boekabart> peter1138: what transparency stuff? 10:14:34 <boekabart> i see some more changes: sealevel as patch setting (OK!) 10:16:59 <boekabart> huh? you left the tile-0 raising to change sea level in - but doesn't raise sea level anymore? 10:20:56 <peter1138> well, maybe :P 10:21:06 <peter1138> good point :p 10:21:14 <peter1138> besides, i didn't say it was finished ;) 10:23:08 * peter1138 reverts that bit 10:23:27 <Thomas[NL]> will these town-classifications be used just for the "Peter1138/Towngrowth Challenge" or will they also go into trunk? 10:24:28 <peter1138> Thomas[NL], i'd like to get the whole thing into trunk, optional of course 10:24:47 <Thomas[NL]> great! looks very cool 10:24:49 <peter1138> some bits clearly don't actually affect game play, and they can be done either way 10:28:44 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493E3BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:22 <yeti_> hi guys :) what does "allow more realistically sized catchment areas" (in the "patches" menu) mean? larger or smaller catchment areas? 10:30:01 <Eddi|zuHause> it reduces the catchment area of bus and lorry stations, and increases the catchment area of large airports 10:30:31 <yeti_> ah, thanks :) also, is there a way to enable building while game is paused? 10:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> check the "show catchment area" button in the station building 10:30:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, ctrl+alt(+win)+c 10:31:57 <Wolf01> nobody installed successfully an svn server under windows xp? 10:32:20 <Eddi|zuHause> tortoise should be able to do that... 10:32:57 <Wolf01> i need to use it as a service and to access it remotely 10:34:12 <peter1138> find a unix box :D 10:34:18 <Wolf01> http://subversion.open.collab.net/articles/svnserve-service.htm i'm trying but i can't install succesfully the service 10:34:41 <Wolf01> i can do this with cygwin 10:36:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and tortoise cannot run as service? 10:39:12 <Thomas[NL]> I found a little bug in the latest trunk, in the station windows, the little train road-vehicle, ship and aircraft icons are not visible 10:39:27 *** HMage [~HMage@85.21.179.62] has joined #openttd 10:40:00 <Wolf01> maybe i can't start the service because THERE IS ALREADY TORTOISE!!!! if it's so, i need only to access the svn remotely, because i can access the repository locally, but not from another computer via lan and internet 10:40:16 <Thomas[NL]> also arrow up is gone on the scroll bar 10:41:06 <Thomas[NL]> this is for all windows 10:41:22 <Wolf01> no, there isn't a tortoise svn service -_-''' 10:41:54 <peter1138> works for me 10:45:09 <Rubidium> Wolf01: just run apache with mod_svn 10:45:39 <Thomas[NL]> peter1138, my problem or the svn server? 10:45:54 <peter1138> your problem 10:45:59 <hylje> :o 10:46:17 <Thomas[NL]> strange :/ 10:47:46 <Wolf01> Rubidium, i have an old version of apache (1.something) and i want to avoid to break my website/forum to use svn, i need only to access via svn:// 10:47:48 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Always code as if the guy who ends up maintaining your code is a psychopath who knows where you live.] 10:47:59 <Thomas[NL]> you are right, my fontrenew grf was the problem 10:54:43 <Rubidium> Wolf01: then you have to run it at another port I guess 10:56:41 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 11:01:25 <Wolf01> Rubidium: starting the svnserve manually, when i chechout it says something like "persistent refuse from the destination computer" 11:01:34 <Wolf01> *check 11:02:19 <Rubidium> kill the firewall 11:02:38 <Rubidium> or puncture a hole in it 11:06:36 *** Zuu_ [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 11:06:37 *** Zuu [~leif@c-0c3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:52 *** Morphy [~morphine@193.220.103.232] has joined #openttd 11:08:01 <Wolf01> mmm is not the firewall 11:09:01 <Rubidium> well, it gets the reject signal from something and it sounds like you've tried to translate some italian? error message back to english. 11:09:58 <Wolf01> yeah 11:10:35 <HMage> maybe Wolf01's computer is behind some kind of NAT 11:11:24 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54B82742.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:11:30 <Wolf01> i'm trying locally, so the NAT shouldn't be the problem 11:11:37 <Wolf01> i hate when there isn't an automathic way to install something... 11:12:36 <Wolf01> is a miracle that i installed succesfully a ssh server, but with the svn server is another thing 11:12:58 *** tokai|ni [~tokai@p54b81215.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:13:19 *** Smoovious [~smoovious@c-71-205-140-67.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:34 <Rubidium> Windows (non-server) isn't quite the OS to run those services on 11:17:35 <Wolf01> i will switch to linux when i have enough time 11:27:56 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@i157063.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:41:50 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:44:24 <Wolf01> it works it works! 11:46:45 <Sacro> zomg 11:47:39 <Rubidium> see how fast you can install linux and make it working ;) 11:47:40 <Wolf01> ok, now some autentication is required, i don't want that every guy in internet can commit on my server 11:48:07 <Wolf01> that's not a problem, i have some virtual machines ready :P 11:48:19 <Wolf01> but i succesfully installed the svn server 11:52:26 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:55:23 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176112117.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:01:33 <Alltaken> hows it all going everyone 12:04:42 <Morphy> hi Alltaken 12:12:50 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@121.44.233.113] has joined #openttd 12:12:53 *** Aloysha [~Aloysha@121.44.233.113] has quit [] 12:17:07 *** sPooT [~spoot@e156067.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 12:17:07 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:25:22 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 12:47:29 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-166-154.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 13:03:50 <boekabart> Wolf01: I have SVNSERVE running as service on XP, just followed the instructions basically 13:03:59 <boekabart> but i see not that you have it working 13:04:58 <Wolf01> now i'm trying to set the authorizations, every time i try i get authorization failed on checkout, if i use no authorizations i can checkout but not commit 13:07:35 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:08:02 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler 13:10:44 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [] 13:11:18 *** Bulb [~Bulb@145-119-207-85.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 13:11:26 <Bulb> Hello Folks, 13:11:43 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:11:47 <Bulb> I have just downloaded most recent trunk from subversion and built it. 13:12:01 <Bulb> And want to try out the new cargos/new industries feature. 13:12:19 <peter1138> good luck 13:12:31 <peter1138> what with there being no new industries feature 13:12:34 <Bulb> However, the pb_ukrsi.grf (UK Renewal Industries) tells me I have to turn it on. 13:13:14 <Bulb> Ah, I see. It's only the newcargos, but no new industries. 13:13:46 <Bulb> Now how can I try out newcargos without newindustries? Do you know which newgrf set has it? 13:14:33 <peter1138> well you can't 13:14:49 <peter1138> becuase without the industry support nothing will produce the cargo 13:15:10 <Bulb> Hm :-( 13:15:37 <Bulb> A few more cargos would make it more fun. 13:16:02 <Bulb> By the way, peter1138, can you make a small fix? 13:16:42 <Bulb> When Celestar implemented the fast aircraft, he (or someone else) implemented reading the respective patch variable. 13:17:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:49 <Bulb> He however forgot to set the respective bit in patch features, so Aviator Aricraft set won't read that variable anyway. 13:21:09 *** Mucht [~Mucht@p57A0E303.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:28:16 *** setrodox [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:30:09 <neli> how to make a station with >5 platforms more efficient ? 13:30:32 <neli> I have 5 now, but trains are never waiting for a free platform, they're always busy with entering 13:31:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not make any sense 13:31:27 <Bulb> neli, do you use presignals? 13:31:46 <neli> of course 13:32:14 <neli> it takes time for a train to accelerate and enter a platform 13:32:26 <Bulb> neli: And they are still waiting on a busy signal, rather than going to the free one? 13:32:28 <neli> in this time, another train has left the station 13:32:34 <hylje> neli: have several distinct entries 13:32:37 <neli> so there is no use in adding another platform (have 5 now) 13:32:44 <hylje> neli: so there >1 signal block allowing entry 13:32:50 <hylje> +is 13:32:55 <neli> I have 3 entries 13:33:20 <neli> I think this is causing delay, because trains are waiting at each entry point, having to accelerate etc. 13:33:35 <hylje> when you got enough platforms they dont have to wait 13:33:45 <Wolf01> make a ring where trains can enter and continue to run, when a platform frees the train enter it without stopping 13:33:50 <Bulb> neli: You might want to have prefered platforms for each entry. 13:34:05 <neli> it would be more efficient if they could run into the station while coming 13:34:24 <hylje> give us screenshots 13:34:37 <neli> Wolf01: that's my point, there is always a platform free already 13:34:56 <Wolf01> once i made a LHC-like station -> http://lhc-injection-test.web.cern.ch/lhc-injection-test/images/sps-lhc-outline-with-rad_gif_1.gif :P 13:35:22 <neli> Large Hydron Collider ? 13:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Hadron, not Hydron 13:35:42 <Wolf01> yes 13:36:02 <Wolf01> with maglevs :D 13:36:04 <Bulb> neli: Split the station to blocks. Each entry goes to one block. Between the blocks, put combo (entry+exit) presignals. 13:36:59 <neli> Bulb: the input is too random for that to work efficiently 13:37:01 *** Zr40 [~Zr40@zr40.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:11 <neli> (the arrival of trains at the entry points) 13:37:23 <neli> ((actually, the distribution of arrival)) 13:37:46 <neli> http://neli.hopto.org:3980/~micha/screenshots/openttd/neli-nanningville.png 13:38:21 *** KritiK [Maxim@ppp83-237-102-52.pppoe.mtu-net.ru] has joined #openttd 13:38:31 <hylje> one block for entry and exit 13:38:38 <hylje> thus one train can enter at a time 13:38:48 <hylje> and exit 13:39:07 <peter1138> pbs! :D 13:39:22 <neli> peter1138: yes it's crying for it 13:39:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a screenshot of a multi-block station entrance once, but i cannot find it 13:39:47 <hylje> multiblocking that station would involve some town conditioning 13:40:09 <Wolf01> http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/Green.png 13:40:16 <Bulb> Ad pbs: Is there pbs available in some branch? 13:40:31 <Wolf01> Green & Co. and the company color is pink -_-''' 13:40:37 <neli> hylje: the mountain in the top right is a bit problematic 13:41:18 <hylje> yes 13:42:20 <Cipri> Wolf01: What grf are those towns from? 13:42:53 <Wolf01> TTRSv3 and stolentrees by sac (i have invisible trees but they are) 13:43:16 <neli> ideally the entry of the station is at least 2 trains long 13:43:19 <Wolf01> oh and newwater 13:43:23 <neli> there is no way to fit that in here 13:44:52 <neli> can someone redesign signals to be placed on tile edges instead of on the tiles itself ? :) 13:44:59 <neli> that would make a lot of things sooo much easie 13:45:00 <neli> +R 13:45:11 <Wolf01> my should fit, if you reduce drastically the length of a train to, i say, loco+1 wagon and you disable "forbid 90° turns" to reduce the junction space 13:52:09 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB48EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:10 <Bulb> Folks, is there anyone willing - and being able - to apply a quick one-line bugfix in trunk? 13:53:33 <Bulb> I'll create a bug report otherwise, but it's really sooo trivial. 13:53:38 <Wolf01> yes there are a lot of people here 13:53:59 <Bulb> Here it goes: 13:53:59 <Bulb> diff --git a/src/newgrf.cpp b/src/newgrf.cpp 13:53:59 <Bulb> index 4920ca3..f40325b 100644 13:53:59 <Bulb> --- a/src/newgrf.cpp 13:53:59 <Bulb> +++ b/src/newgrf.cpp 13:53:59 <Bulb> @@ -4126,7 +4126,7 @@ static void InitializeGRFSpecial() 13:54:01 <Bulb> | (0 << 0x0C) // newagerating 13:54:01 <Bulb> | ((_patches.build_on_slopes ? 1 : 0) << 0x0D) // buildonslopes 13:54:03 <Bulb> | ((_patches.full_load_any ? 1 : 0) << 0x0E) // fullloadany 13:54:03 <Bulb> - | (0 << 0x0F) // planespeed 13:54:05 <Bulb> + | (1 << 0x0F) // planespeed 13:54:05 <Bulb> | (0 << 0x10) // moreindustriesperclimate - obsolete 13:54:07 <Bulb> | (0 << 0x11) // moretoylandfeatures 13:54:07 <Bulb> | (1 << 0x12) // newstations 13:54:23 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:54:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:55:09 <Wolf01> maybe a paste in a pastebin is better 13:55:22 <Bulb> Yes... 13:55:29 <Wolf01> http://paste.openttd.org/ 13:56:13 <neli> Wolf01: hmm that doesn't really work either 13:56:35 <Wolf01> why not? 13:56:59 <neli> because if only one platform is free all entries will be green 13:57:07 <neli> two trains can enter simultaneously 13:57:11 <Wolf01> no 13:58:19 <neli> "no" :) 13:58:43 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB491E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:11 <Bulb> Ok. Pasted the diff to http://paste.openttd.org/52 13:59:33 <Bulb> (Note it is a diff -p1 patch -- I checked out with git-svn) 14:01:30 <neli> Wolf01: look: http://neli.hopto.org:3980/~micha/screenshots/openttd/neli-nanningville-wolf-bug.png 14:02:16 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-87-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:02:21 <Bulb> Add the patch: The GetPatchVariable will correctly return 4 for the 0x10 variable (planespeed factor), but the newgrfs won't read that without the bit in patch features. 14:03:41 <Wolf01> neli, let me try 14:04:31 *** boekabart [~boekabart@g54037.upc-g.chello.nl] has left #openttd [Your eyes grow heavy.. you grow very sleepy..... zzzz...] 14:05:00 <neli> http://neli.hopto.org:3980/~micha/screenshots/openttd/neli-nanningville-wolf-bug-hl.png 14:05:21 <neli> see, the second platform becomes free 14:05:28 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 14:05:31 <neli> now there are two trains entering at once 14:06:16 *** graeme_ [~graeme@88-104-62-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 14:06:36 <neli> the right train sees all signals red, and therefore chooses to go the light red line 14:06:44 <neli> originally it wanted to go the peach line, I think 14:07:01 <neli> or: (1) my signalling is wrong (2) it's a bug in openttd 14:08:04 <Rubidium> well, it actually does exactly what it's supposed to do 14:08:48 <neli> which is ? :) 14:08:48 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57B2B17F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:09:22 <neli> seems to me the exclusivity principle is broken when using pre/exit signals 14:09:52 <Rubidium> the red train enters the pre-signal block because the second (from top) platform is free and his first signal block is free, the grain train enters too because the second platform is free and his first signal block is free. Once the grain train enters, the red train cannot go to that platform anymore and it goes to the closest platform 14:10:17 <Rubidium> neli: what you assume is PBS, which this isn't 14:11:04 <neli> as soon as the grain train enters the signal block, the pre/exit signal goes to red also, so the red train should keep waiting 14:11:14 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-87-178.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:11:15 <neli> or the other way around 14:11:44 <Rubidium> neli: the red train enters the signal block first 14:12:20 <Rubidium> the entrance signal becomes green if at least one of the 'exit' (including combo) signals is green. 14:12:22 <Wolf01> neli, try using 2 way signals in front of stations 14:12:33 <Rubidium> Wolf01: that doesn't solve his problem 14:12:45 <neli> Rubidium: ah, you're right 14:13:27 <neli> the grain train can always enter 14:14:43 <Rubidium> precisely 14:16:51 *** Cipri [~cipri@i86151.upc-i.chello.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:27:10 <neli> woohohoo major deadlock 14:27:56 <Wolf01> ok, this layout works well with only 2 entrances 14:29:45 <neli> the entrances have to be directly connected 14:29:54 <neli> and then the parallellism is gone 14:30:58 <Wolf01> 2 parallel entrances with a combo presignal in the middle and all works for me, with 3 entrances i got 2 deadlocks and about 10 locks 14:31:08 <neli> wow deadlock solved itself after all 14:31:11 <Wolf01> when a train stopped in the middle 14:31:18 <Eddi|zuHause> neli: just completely remove that 2 way track, let the trains from the left only enter the left three platforms, the trains from the right only the right two (mabe make three) platforms 14:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and the trains from the middle may chose whichever is free 14:32:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and possibly invest in another parallel exit track as well 14:32:50 <neli> left three tracks is too little 14:33:43 <Eddi|zuHause> then make a 4+2 station, or something 14:34:39 <neli> if the middle can choose, then all are connected 14:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you already have the middle choose between two one-way signals, just remove that additional track 14:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the track where you painted the peach arrow 14:35:51 <neli> then the problem I showed is still possible 14:36:03 <neli> but, from the middle track 14:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, in a limited way, but it will not block the other entrances 14:37:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you could also add presignal priority magic so the middle train will not choose the left track if a train is waiting on the left entrance, but you definitely lack space for that 14:38:12 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i need to find that screenshot... 14:39:10 *** acerbus [~kreedovel@213-35-169-161-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [] 14:40:35 *** Daimos [~Daimos@p57B2B17F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Words get written, words get twisted, old meanings change in the drift of time.] 14:46:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@212-182-130-7.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 14:47:45 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-182-80.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:56:23 <Eddi|zuHause> not exactly the one i meant, but it might do the trick: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Johannes%20Transport,%204.%20Jun%201965.png 14:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause> (not 100% uploaded yet) 14:57:31 <yeti_> what do you do against the literally hundreds of "production at xyz increased" messages each month? 14:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> turn them off 14:58:04 <yeti_> where exactly? haven't found the option yet :( 15:01:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the second icon from the right 15:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> is a newspaper icon 15:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> click and hold that 15:01:39 <yeti_> ah! thanks :)) 15:07:24 <neli> Eddi|zuHause: what does it show ? :) 15:07:36 <Eddi|zuHause> a station entrance 15:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause> with several signal blocks 15:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause> so arriving trains rarely block each other 15:08:19 <neli> you don't need presignals ? 15:08:21 <neli> :) 15:09:14 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i don't :) 15:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that's the cool thing, it works :) 15:09:44 <rane_> one problem i always face when building a rail network is that it gets immensely crowded sooner or later. is there any easy way to counter that? 15:10:17 <rane_> i usually build one track for each direction 15:10:25 <neli> there are ways, but that's the challenge of the game :) 15:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> there are two approaches for that: a) don't rely on a "backbone" and route the trains over several different doubletrack lines, or b) make that "backbone" line more than double track 15:14:32 <neli> it's rare for the backbone to be the bottleneck, for me 15:14:38 <neli> except when climbing 15:16:54 <neli> otoh, maybe my trains are too short or I have too few of them yet 15:17:35 <yeti_> are there presignals in openttd? i've seen them with ttdpatch 15:17:46 <peter1138> yes 15:18:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, just ctrl+click 15:18:18 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.3/2007030919]] 15:20:42 <neli> rane_: btw, crowded is not a problem, locked is a problem :) 15:21:23 <rane_> sure it is.. 15:22:33 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 15:24:24 <rane_> http://kahiseva.ath.cx/b/Sutfingway%20Transport,%203rd%20Jun%201992.jpg 15:25:04 <rane_> because of the trains joining the "backbone" the queue just grows 15:25:10 <rane_> and i lose profit :( 15:26:38 <hylje> 1. trains 15:26:40 <hylje> 2. ??? 15:26:41 <hylje> 3. PROFIT!! 15:27:37 <hylje> rane_: you can build more than two rails next to each other 15:27:45 <hylje> rane_: like 3 or usually 4 15:28:11 <hylje> just have the joins have a choice between the two rails 15:28:14 <rane_> hylje: i know but at this point it's pretty err.. time consuming 15:28:27 <hylje> just build it somewhere else 15:28:37 <neli> rane_: you should climb, then have a long strip, then merge 15:28:40 <hylje> capacity is something that you can't get magically more 15:28:44 <neli> not merge direct after climb 15:28:53 <hylje> and besides, you have 2*45 merges 15:28:55 <hylje> which are kind of slow 15:30:08 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489d8de.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:32:32 <Eddi|zuHause> dbg: [misc] German Townnames are buggy (-2049118791) <- ??? 15:32:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (ancient TTD(P) savegame) 15:38:29 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB48EA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:34 <peter1138> hmm? 15:38:46 *** Osai 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to bury me.] 21:20:02 *** AiRBuS-A380 [8.2.6.65@88.226.162.191] has joined #openttd 21:21:22 *** KraL [~aSi@88.246.28.241] has joined #openttd 21:21:58 <KraL> 1kere vercek þanslý insan aranýyor 21:22:08 <AiRBuS-A380> aynen 21:22:11 <AiRBuS-A380> 2 tane olsun ama 21:22:18 <AiRBuS-A380> peter1138 21:22:20 <AiRBuS-A380> naber lan 21:22:22 <AiRBuS-A380> it 21:22:37 *** KraL [~aSi@88.246.28.241] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. Mail support@oftc.net if you have any questions. (2007-04-22 21:22:37)] 21:22:43 *** AiRBuS-A380 [8.2.6.65@88.226.162.191] has quit [autokilled: This host violated network policy. Mail support@oftc.net if you have any questions. (2007-04-22 21:22:43)] 21:23:18 <peter1138> heh 21:25:09 <ln-> quick death to those not speaking english 21:28:07 *** yeti_ [~yeti@p5493E3BD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:23 <yeti_> good evening ladies and gentlemen :) 21:28:32 <yeti_> which pathfinder should i use? 21:28:57 <yeti_> "new global pathfinding"? YAPF? both? 21:31:23 <Thomas[NL]> YAPF, it uses less CPU 21:33:28 <glx> and disable yapf and npf for ships 21:33:57 <yeti_> i'm asking because i'm using YAPF at the moment, and there's a train that often reports being lost - but in fact it's not really lost, as it travels on a straight but very long track with no junctions at all 21:35:31 <yeti_> and there was another train that would constantly take the wrong junction and never reach its destination, but it wasn't a very complex rail system in my opinion - i had to use a waypoint to solve that 21:35:45 *** BJH2 [~chatzilla@e176114113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]] 21:37:06 *** Peakki [antti@cs181000195.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Lähdössä] 21:45:28 <Thomas[NL]> why disable yapf and npf for ships? 21:45:58 <glx> they cause slowdowns 21:48:45 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 21:48:57 <Digitalfox[Home]> And what about yapf for road vehicles, it's the only one i have activated, does it really makes roadvehicles have a better way of finding stations? 21:49:20 <Digitalfox[Home]> Is the original algorithm for road vehicles bad? 21:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> Thomas[NL]: water has too many possible paths so the pathfinder gets very cpu intensive, for little effect 21:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox[Home]: the original pathfinder did only search for a few tiles, and might not find the correct path if it involves long detours 21:51:52 <Thomas[NL]> ok, learn something new every day :) 21:52:04 *** aM-| [~amund@122.80-202-198.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 21:52:22 <Thomas[NL]> I off bye 21:52:36 *** Thomas[NL] [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:52:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> those two points are related btw. :) 21:52:42 <Digitalfox[Home]> So from a city with 50000 to another with 50000 using roadvehicles, yapf helps? 21:53:06 <Digitalfox[Home]> I say a city with 50000, because it gets huge, so lot's of road 21:54:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox[Home]: more like if you have 4 cities in a C shape, the road vehicle might take a completely wrong route initially, resulting in a dead end 21:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> D-C 21:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> | 21:54:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> A-B 21:54:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you want to go from A to C 21:54:51 <Digitalfox[Home]> So just by conecting 2 cities and the orders only being A-B and B-A theres no need for yapf? 21:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> the vehicle has to chose wether to take the road to D or B 21:55:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> if it does not look far enough, it might chose the road to B 21:55:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> where it cannot go on to C 21:55:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, if the roads are rather straight, and no dead ends, it is probably fine 21:56:40 <Digitalfox[Home]> I have someday, to try with and without yapf... 21:57:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EECE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:19 <Digitalfox[Home]> And does yapf with 400 road vehicles, use a lot of cpu or almost like original? 21:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Yapf was desinged with performance in mind, it should not be much more ressource intensive than the original pathfinder 21:58:57 <Digitalfox[Home]> ok 21:59:02 <Digitalfox[Home]> thanks for the info :) 21:59:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> yapf really only has a problem with ships... 21:59:46 <glx> like all complete pathfinders 22:00:05 <Digitalfox[Home]> yeah, i don't have it activated for ships, i only use it with road vehicles :) 22:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, the model is just not fitting for very closely connected networks... it's for networks with long straight segments (like most train networks) 22:03:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> you either have to artificially reduce the number of possible paths, or use a completely different approach for pathfinding 22:03:16 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:03:50 *** michi_cc [196c4d78cc@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:31 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 22:04:32 *** mikegrb [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 22:06:10 *** aM-| [~amund@122.80-202-198.nextgentel.com] has quit [] 22:06:47 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:07:10 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti131310a341-0559.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:41 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 22:08:41 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:22 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:03 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:04 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 22:11:26 *** maad_ [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:35 *** Zavior [~Zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 22:25:02 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 22:25:26 <Ailure> bah 22:25:33 <Ailure> there's only really one feature I miss from mini-in 22:25:41 <Ailure> the ability to set the max amount of trains at stations 22:26:02 <Ailure> since it helps alot at preventing deadlock situation and made life easier with passenger stations D: 22:28:54 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-61.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:39:59 <Ailure> hmm 22:39:59 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:11 <Ailure> lots of disconnects 22:40:50 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has joined #openttd 22:41:07 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:42:51 *** maad [~emade@tk202.azylnet.com] has joined #openttd 22:43:59 *** Kittysune [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has joined #openttd 22:44:12 *** Ailure [Gamefreak@194.47.44.229] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by Kittysune))] 22:44:15 *** Kittysune is now known as Ailure 22:45:22 *** maad_ [~emade@83.15.80.18] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:46 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:17 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:58:53 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:03:12 *** michi_cc [8b7fb33d02@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 23:03:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 23:06:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:08:19 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprgw5-fe4ddc00-11.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 23:08:32 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprgw5-fe4ddc00-11.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:09:06 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-55.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 23:09:58 *** Digitalfox[Home] [~chatzilla@bl7-182-80.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Time for Sleeping] 23:28:44 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-98.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 23:28:49 <Ihmemies> where the heck i can get newstations 23:32:36 <Belugas_Gone> have you tried searcing in the forums? 23:32:48 <Belugas_Gone> or on grfwalker? 23:34:35 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-61.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? Yeaaa..] 23:34:49 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-61.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #openttd 23:36:12 *** Belugas_Gone [~jfranc@ip-61.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [] 23:39:44 *** graeme [~graeme@88-104-62-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:48 <Ihmemies> i found it from http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/download.html :-o 23:40:55 <Ihmemies> just hard to believe that last upd ate was 2 years ago 23:42:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> afaik he is working on new stuff 23:42:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> and "it is done when it's done" 23:50:43 *** Ihmemies [ihmemies@a88-113-24-98.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: Signed off] 23:52:57 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-67-220.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:57:28 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-80-216.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:58:49 *** setrodox_ [~setrodox@85-124-40-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Quit: Hapiness ;D]