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00:17:08  <xweb> hi!
00:17:25  <Digitalfox> hi
00:17:48  <xweb> Wow a human!
00:18:16  <xweb> so   hows it going.
00:20:08  <xweb> maybe  i spoke too soon.
00:21:24  <xweb> Digitalfox ; organic or in organic life form?
00:21:50  <Digitalfox> lol
00:22:12  <Digitalfox> What's up?
00:23:13  <Digitalfox> Most of people in IRC are European and has so most are sleeping :)
00:23:25  <Digitalfox> Right now it's 1:23 AM in Portugal
00:23:30  <xweb> i c
00:23:52  <xweb> i usualy get on late at night(in the usa).
00:24:52  <Digitalfox> It's 8:22 PM there so dinner time here is sleep time, lol
00:25:02  <Digitalfox> But i bet thers
00:25:08  <xweb> 8:24pm EDS
00:25:32  <Digitalfox> *there are more people here in channel who are awaken
00:25:36  <xweb> that Eastern Daylight Saving time
00:25:43  <Digitalfox> :)
00:26:11  <Digitalfox> You came here a lot?
00:26:12  <xweb> you play ottd
00:26:18  <Digitalfox> yes a lot
00:26:35  <xweb> online?
00:26:46  <Digitalfox> not really, most single play
00:27:09  <Digitalfox> but openttd works great in multi player games
00:27:56  <Digitalfox> Are you a new player or have some experience with openttd?
00:28:29  <xweb> i'm just a beginer. I  would like to contribute to the project. the new GFX needs a site to upload sets to and I have one. been following a forum thread about this.
00:29:22  <Digitalfox> you know the wiki and site of openttd?
00:31:52  <xweb> I would love to see the grafics updated. I am aware of the wiki but if you look at this thread I belive a site like what planed here will help organize and move forward the process. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=27416
00:35:32  <xweb> I don't want to upset any one but i am a little fustrated with the lack of progress and have writen most of the code needed to complete this project in about 3 days. I also have my own web space I would be willing to set up the site as a testing ground ( if not a permanant location ) for such a site.
00:42:15  <Digitalfox> You saw this one http://opengraphics.zernebok.net/ ??
00:43:44  <Digitalfox> You should talk with TrueBrain " Truelight" and egladil
01:00:05  <xweb> this sites been in development for 7 months . this is where the futration comes in. IMHO it should be at least functional for test at this point.
01:02:28  <Digitalfox> yeah, it does need a push :)
01:06:12  <xweb> i've got all but the upload code and display pages writen in ruby on rails. I do know php and would be fine with contributing code but then this project need to be officeial. I was thinking of posting my thoughts on the forum and my code if need be. but i'm still waiting for a progress report from mexicoshant(see forum.).
01:19:12  <xweb> gotta go cya.
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03:34:53  <orudge> Hmm, I'm a retired developer? :o
03:35:03  <orudge> I guess I haven't contributed much recently
03:35:06  <orudge> but I'm not retired, per se :p
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05:47:22  <Phazorx> orudge: are you still here?
05:47:33  <orudge> Yup
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06:43:06  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9818 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_engine.cpp newgrf_engine.h train_cmd.cpp vehicle.h): -Codechange: Cache wagon override sprite set whenever consist is changed, instead of 'recalculating' it every time it is used or just tested.
06:45:39  <peter1138> boekabart: my ppc does :D
06:45:57  <boekabart> so, does it exist, the port?
06:46:07  <peter1138> sort of
06:46:09  <peter1138> it doesn't work :(
06:47:24  <peter1138> and there is the unofficial port but i wouldn't touch that with a barge pole
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06:51:45  <boekabart> how hard can it be actually... sdl works on it, right?
07:00:48  <peter1138> problem is it's a bitch to debug
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07:03:55  <boekabart> last time i devved for my phone, it was easy to debug with visual studio... that is.. technically.
07:05:04  <peter1138> well, go ahead. we were using gcc to cross compile it so that the build farm could make it
07:06:26  <boekabart> also the official builds of ottd for win are built by gcc?
07:06:47  <peter1138> nightlises are
07:06:54  <peter1138> -s
07:07:05  <boekabart> and nono, i have more useful things to do
07:07:14  <peter1138> and of course most of the devs don't use msvc :)
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09:21:46  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r9819 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Codechange: Take account of AMED_HOLD in OTTD/TTDP state translation (bulb)
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09:43:35  <kaan> hello all
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10:49:50  <mikegrb> hehe
10:51:45  <peter1138> what?
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11:11:01  <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd
11:11:01  <peter1138> !logs
11:11:53  <boekabart> no, really, noone said anything today.
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13:02:07  <mikegrb> peter1138: also, http://thegrebs.com/irc/openttd-2007.html and http://thegrebs.com/irc/urls/openttd.html and rss for the urls http://thegrebs.com/irc/urls/rss/openttd.html
13:04:41  <boekabart> nice
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13:39:30  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9820 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (76 files in 7 dirs): [squirrel] -Fix: use proper svn:eol-style and strip trailing whitespaces.
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13:47:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, these colours are bad...
13:48:20  <Eddi|zuHause2> if it would highlight the commit messages, ok, but this green totally disappears between all the status messages (join, part, etc.)
13:48:46  <TrueBrain> @op
13:48:48  *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
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13:49:03  <TrueBrain> @deop
13:49:06  *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek
13:49:06  <TrueBrain> There you go Eddi|zuHause2 :)
13:49:22  <Eddi|zuHause2> :)
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14:02:14  <Zr40> hey TrueBrain
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14:02:41  <TrueBrain> hi Zr40
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14:02:48  <Zr40> what happened to TrueLight? :)
14:03:07  <TrueBrain> he was lost in cyberspace
14:03:13  <Belugas> he switch his light to a brain
14:03:28  <Belugas> at last!
14:03:40  * Belugas runs away laughting
14:04:04  <TrueBrain> :) I like Belugas ;)
14:06:28  * Belugas hugs TrueBrain
14:06:44  <TrueBrain> :$ :)
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14:14:10  <Zr40> TrueBrain: so... have you tried my patch yet? :)
14:14:17  <TrueBrain> Zr40: nope
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14:53:41  <Zuu> Patch: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/775   <--- is there a reson for not flush stdout as of now?
14:54:15  <Zuu> flushing*
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15:07:40  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9821 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 3 dirs): [NoAI] -Fix: support compilation without threads.
15:09:08  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r9822 /branches/noai/projects/ (openttd.vcproj openttd_vs80.vcproj): [NoAI] -Fix: update the MSVC project files.
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15:54:58  <Maedhros> hi
15:59:44  <peter1138> hi
15:59:53  <Belugas> hi
16:03:20  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9823 /trunk/src/ (newgrf.cpp table/town_land.h town.h town_cmd.cpp): -Feature: Add support for house property 1F - minimum life span.
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16:08:07  <Thomas[NL]_> nice maedhros
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16:13:49  <TrueBrain> @reload openttd
16:13:49  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: The operation succeeded.
16:13:53  <TrueBrain> hmm, wrong channel :p
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16:33:40  <spaceinvader> hey
16:34:11  <TrueBrain> hello spaceinvader
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16:36:11  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r9824 /3rdparty/squirrel/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [Squirrel] -Fix: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions warnings
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16:43:21  <spaceinvader> just like to say thanks for openttd, and midi on my laptop works a treat, with a adlib compat OPL3: http://01welp.co.uk/~spaceinvader/ttd_intro_opl3.ogg
16:49:21  <Zr40> please compare that to timidity output
16:49:43  <Zr40> it might be just me, but I thought the intro sounded better
16:50:31  <spaceinvader> of course timidity sounds better
16:50:48  <spaceinvader> the whole point is that that was from an OPL3 which is compat with the original AdLib
16:50:55  <spaceinvader> its for the nostalgic DOS feel
16:51:42  <Zr40> ah, I see
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17:04:03  <Zr40> spaceinvader: it sounds like this on OS X: http://www.xs4all.nl/~zr40/gm_tt00.gm.m4a (AAC, shout if that's a problem :))
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17:06:30  <Wolf01> hello
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17:14:51  <dihedral> i say 'hi'
17:14:52  *** TinoM [~Tino@i5387DFCA.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:14:59  <dihedral> 'hi'
17:16:47  <Wolf01> hi
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17:22:58  <HMage> I don't say 'hi', I say 'hello'
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19:40:33  <davis__> eh
19:45:51  <Sacro> i have a brilliant idea
19:45:59  <Sacro> rather than porting it, just add in a vnc server
19:46:13  <Sacro> then anything that can run a vnc client can play the game!
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20:00:05  <peterbrett> Hi folks
20:00:18  <peterbrett> I'm having trouble compiling the noai nightly
20:00:39  <peterbrett> How do I get normal GCC error spew?  The Makefiles silence it.
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20:05:42  <Digitalfox> Hello :)
20:07:05  <Digitalfox> I'm having a very weird problem... Well i have server and desktop, for months running with no problems, now without any change my desktop doesn't find the server in network or does the server see desktop.. But my notebook still runs with no problems with my server :|
20:07:17  <Digitalfox> No ip changes, router or cables
20:07:37  <Digitalfox> The desktop still can surf on the net and i can ping the server from desktop
20:08:23  <peterbrett> There's lots of people in here, not talking. :-/
20:08:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> Digitalfox: firewall?
20:08:38  <Digitalfox> no
20:08:43  <Digitalfox> they don't have
20:08:49  <Digitalfox> i have router firewall
20:09:33  <Digitalfox> I mean, what could have changed without any action from me to this change?
20:09:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> windows?
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20:10:01  <Digitalfox> We are talking about a windows 2003 and a windows xp
20:10:06  <peterbrett> Have you checked that your subnet masks haven't been changed by accident?
20:10:19  <Digitalfox> yes, they are still the same
20:10:34  <Eddi|zuHause2> windows update?
20:10:53  <Digitalfox> I can ping the server from desktop and desktop from the server
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20:11:46  <Eddi|zuHause2> can you type "\server-name\" or "\server-ip\"?
20:11:57  <Eddi|zuHause2> in the address bar
20:12:04  <Eddi|zuHause2> or in start|run
20:12:39  <Digitalfox> no :|
20:13:13  <Digitalfox> i have many network mappings done, and none work now..
20:13:44  <Eddi|zuHause2> both name and ip don't work?
20:13:54  <Digitalfox> I could think that was server to block, but my notebook can still use the mappings made with no problems
20:14:13  <Eddi|zuHause2> what's a "mapping"
20:14:35  <Digitalfox> "Map network Drive"
20:14:47  <Digitalfox> sorry, don't what's word in english ;)
20:14:56  <Eddi|zuHause2> ah, ok
20:15:17  <Eddi|zuHause2> did you actually try what i said?
20:15:27  <Digitalfox> Typing the server name or ip doesn't work
20:16:03  <Eddi|zuHause2> i still suspect a firewall issue
20:16:15  <Digitalfox> But there aren't any.. :|
20:16:19  <Eddi|zuHause2> can you access the client from the notebook?
20:16:20  <Digitalfox> They are off
20:16:31  <Digitalfox> no
20:16:42  <Digitalfox> wait you mean notebook to desktop?
20:16:49  <Digitalfox> or notebook to server?
20:16:51  <Eddi|zuHause2> yes
20:16:56  <Digitalfox> no
20:17:11  <Digitalfox> it's like desktop is somehow blocked
20:17:25  <Digitalfox> and 'im typing from it ( desktop )
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20:17:50  <Digitalfox> you see, my desktop and server are conected by a switch Gigabit and the swith to the router
20:18:21  <Digitalfox> the swith is unmanaged
20:19:02  <Digitalfox> i can acess the router from desktop with no problems, and i state again i can ping server, but can't see it on network
20:19:20  <Digitalfox> Oh and file and print sharing are activated
20:19:37  <Digitalfox> What could it be?
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20:20:37  <Eddi|zuHause2> if TCP/IP works, but a higher level protocol (SMB) doesn't, it's very unlikely it's something other than firewall
20:22:17  <Digitalfox> ýes i agree, but still if i haven't any firewall/anti-virus software on desktop or notebook, and windows firewall is disabled...It has to be something else i'm not seeing
20:23:45  <HMage> Digitalfox: try enabling telnet on server and connect to it via telnet. That's the simplest protocol.
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20:23:45  <HMage> Digitalfox: try enabling telnet on server and connect to it via telnet. That's the simplest protocol.
20:23:47  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:24:09  * Zr40 wonders about the mapgen directory at the root of the svn repository.
20:24:11  <Digitalfox_> ok, HMage , will try
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20:27:29  <Digitalfox_> correct me if i'm wrong but using telnet, may use the command "o" and the ip with some port right?
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20:33:03  <Digitalfox_> Will try something now, restarted is required, be back soon
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20:37:12  <Szandor> When providing a patch, is it best to diff agains HEAD revision, or the latest nightly build? Or does no-one care?
20:38:23  <HMage> HEAD
20:38:43  <Szandor> thanks
20:38:45  <HMage> and put the revision number in name of the diff
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20:42:48  <Digitalfox> Still with the same problem.. I just hope format isn't the solution.. Don't have much time this days.. :(
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20:45:08  <Digitalfox> Isn't there some kind of site, where i can follow some comon steps to see if i can fix it?
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20:49:16  <Belugas> good night, going home
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20:54:32  <Digitalfox_> Ok i found out i can ping ip, but not the server name.. The DNS server used is from my router, and with notebook and server it's running fine, but since ip works and dns is being resolved i may assume my desktop is having problems with dns..
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21:20:51  <Zr40> Digitalfox: assuming both machines run Windows, are they both in the same workgroup?
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21:58:35  <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/images/e/e2/Scn-UnitedKingdom-Minimap.png
21:58:35  <Ailure> hmm
21:58:40  <Ailure> I guess none lives in ireland ;)
22:00:07  <Sionide> wow
22:00:13  <Sionide> good map though
22:00:25  <Ailure> yeah
22:00:28  <Sionide> link to download it?
22:00:34  <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Scenarios_Based_on_Real_World
22:00:42  <Sionide> oooohhhhhh
22:00:43  <Sionide> O_o
22:00:47  <Ailure> I was just surfing through the scenario section of the wiki
22:00:47  <Sionide> i should be revising for my exam tomorrow..
22:00:49  <Sionide> bah!
22:00:51  <Ailure> due to me being bored
22:01:45  <Ailure> woah
22:01:49  <Ailure> the manual have improved a bit
22:01:59  <Sionide> "Mainland Europe and Republic of / Northern Ireland are not yet populated with industries / towns;"
22:02:05  <Sionide> it does say it there :p
22:02:09  <Ailure> I know
22:02:14  <Ailure> That's why I included ;) above
22:02:16  <Ailure> :P
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22:02:35  <Sionide> wow though
22:02:38  <Sionide> that is really cool
22:02:42  <Sionide> Size: 	 2048x2048
22:02:44  <Sionide> HUGE
22:03:08  <Sionide> hrm, if it's version is 0.5.0 does that mean i can *only* play it on that version!?
22:03:10  <Ailure> hmm
22:03:13  <Ailure> this todo is old
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22:03:14  <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/NewGRF_TODO
22:03:42  <Ailure> not sure what's in, and what isn't though
22:05:09  <peter1138> there
22:05:22  <Ailure> wow
22:05:24  <Ailure> that was quick peter
22:07:09  <peter1138> yeah, i just implemented all that lot ;p
22:07:23  <Ailure> :)
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22:11:18  <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Industries
22:11:18  <Ailure> hmm
22:11:20  <Ailure> weird overlap
22:11:30  <Ailure> and guess I should go and flesh out the industries for toyland
22:11:57  <InterMedio> www.LiteCat.com - All About Linux Debian
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22:16:37  <Sionide> d-_-b
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22:29:07  <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Industries
22:29:22  <Ailure> Made pages for all toyland industries :)
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22:29:27  <Ailure> Now they only lack pictures
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22:29:47  <Ailure> hmm though Toy shop should be counted as tertiary industry
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22:38:08  <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Special:Recentchanges
22:38:09  <Ailure> :)
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22:42:05  <valhallasw> no graphviz plugin on the wiki?
22:42:58  <valhallasw> there is.
22:42:58  <valhallasw> good
22:45:19  <Ailure> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Castegory:List_of_Wagons
22:45:23  * Ailure grins
22:45:50  <Sleepie> hi @all
22:49:11  <valhallasw> Ailure: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Cargos#Cargo_Flow_Tables
22:49:41  <Ailure> did you just add that? heh
22:49:51  <Ailure> it looks nice
22:50:07  <Ailure> well though
22:50:11  <Ailure> hmm
22:50:26  <valhallasw> well
22:50:37  <valhallasw> needs some tuning with subgraphs for production levels
22:51:01  <valhallasw> (source, convert, sink)
22:51:44  <Ailure> hmm
22:51:50  <Ailure> is that something that was recently added?
22:51:56  <valhallasw> what?
22:51:59  <valhallasw> subgraphs?
22:52:09  <Ailure> yeah
22:52:14  <Ailure> graphviz
22:52:39  <valhallasw> not sure why clicking doesnt work
22:53:09  <Ailure> looks kinda weird with having a graph in the middle of nowhere
22:53:10  <Sleepie> what do you mean by clicking?
22:53:11  <Ailure> and nowhere else :p
22:53:20  <valhallasw> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GraphViz
22:53:21  <Ailure> you might put it on a WIP page instead first
22:53:29  <Ailure> so it dosen't feel like it's in the way or something
22:53:33  <valhallasw> Ailure: no. people will extend it faster now :p
22:53:43  <Ailure> :p
22:56:07  <valhallasw> miniature images are possible, too
22:56:14  <Ailure> well Born Acron took it away
22:56:30  <Ailure> And I agree with his point. D:
22:59:31  <valhallasw> meh.
22:59:36  <valhallasw> Born_Acorn: har. :P
23:01:48  <Ailure> bah
23:01:53  <Ailure> just noticed that for some reason
23:02:06  <Ailure> the creator of the cargo tables thought it was a bad idea linking to toyland industries
23:03:39  <valhallasw> I agree :P
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