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00:00:34 <glx> but change the subject ;) 00:01:15 <glx> and be patient for the reply 00:01:42 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:02:35 <glx> you'll have a lot of work to update greek language :) 00:02:40 * Ouranogrammi had an astral projection and saw transport tycoon 00:02:57 <Ouranogrammi> really :> 00:03:06 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:28 <glx> @openttd commit 9286 00:05:29 <DorpsGek> glx: Commit by miham :: r9286 /trunk/src/lang (20 files in 2 dirs) (2007-03-18 19:00:27 UTC) 00:05:30 <DorpsGek> glx: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-03-18 19:56:07 00:05:31 <DorpsGek> glx: american - 10 fixed by WhiteRabbit (10) 00:05:32 <DorpsGek> glx: brazilian_portuguese - 7 fixed by fukumori (7) 00:05:33 <DorpsGek> glx: bulgarian - 12 fixed by thetitan (12) 00:05:34 <DorpsGek> glx: catalan - 3 fixed by arnaullv (3) 00:05:35 <DorpsGek> glx: czech - 8 fixed by Hadez (8) 00:05:36 <DorpsGek> glx: dutch - 8 fixed by habell (8) 00:05:37 <DorpsGek> glx: french - 3 fixed by glx (3) 00:05:38 <DorpsGek> glx: greek - 80 fixed by thanoulas (80) 00:05:39 <DorpsGek> glx: italian - 7 fixed, 7 changed by sidew (6), bluesboy84 (8) 00:05:40 <DorpsGek> glx: japanese - 11 fixed by PouncingAnt (2), ickoonite (9) 00:05:42 <DorpsGek> glx: korean - 3 fixed by darkttd (3) 00:05:43 <DorpsGek> glx: norwegian_nynorsk - 6 fixed by pollux (6) 00:05:44 <DorpsGek> glx: polish - 7 fixed by meush (7) 00:05:45 <DorpsGek> glx: russian - 9 fixed, 1 changed by DarkFenX (10) 00:05:46 <DorpsGek> glx: slovak - 10 fixed by lengyel (10) 00:05:47 <DorpsGek> glx: slovenian - 6 fixed by Necrolyte (6) 00:05:48 <DorpsGek> glx: spanish - 9 fixed by eusebio (9) 00:05:49 <DorpsGek> glx: swedish - 9 fixed by daishan (9) 00:05:50 <DorpsGek> glx: traditional_chinese - 6 fixed, 4 changed by thomasau (10) 00:05:51 <DorpsGek> glx: ukrainian - 9 fixed by mad (9) 00:05:59 <glx> latest greek update 00:06:40 <Ouranogrammi> i asked to start a greek translation some yrs ago 00:06:48 <Ouranogrammi> but utf8 wasn't supported back then 00:07:10 <Ouranogrammi> i have to catch up with thanoulas 00:10:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> what happened to "(10 lines omitted)"? 00:10:33 <glx> not when doing @openttd 00:10:36 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04356F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> someone remind me next time to start in 1925 00:14:32 <glx> Eddi|zuHause2: next time start in 1925 :) 00:15:17 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6818.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 00:15:23 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 00:16:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> hmzz... normal rail should be half the width of a station 00:17:24 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-160-233.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:19:42 <Thiniad> where can i get GRFmaker 00:20:58 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Why 1925? 00:21:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> because there are no useful engines in 1920 00:21:17 <glx> to not miss steam era 00:21:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i do hope that gets fixed in dbset 0.9 00:22:57 <fjb> Hm, the first engines are usefull, at least they are affordable. 00:25:12 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:30:06 <Bjarni> I found a bug. I can't type ö in the game 00:30:24 <Bjarni> I mean the character is there, but when I press they key combo all I get is o 00:31:19 <Bjarni> I wonder how we survived this long without it... what a major bug :P 00:31:46 <glx> works for me 00:33:50 *** sPooT [~spoot@e142085.upc-e.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> this was even worse in the original game, ÀöÌ were treated as some kind of command characters, you could not input them at all 00:35:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, it works for me, too 00:35:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> must be an OSX issue 00:35:38 <Bjarni> or an issue with a Danish keyboard 00:35:50 <glx> I can try that 00:36:34 <Bjarni> when I noticed in the game a bunch of other people started writing this damn char 00:36:37 <Bjarni> and only that char 00:37:38 <glx> now the question is how to type it on a french keyboard using danish layout :) 00:38:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> on the german layout, ö is next to l 00:39:09 <glx> on french layout it's š followed by o 00:39:44 <Bjarni> it's the same on a Danish keyboard 00:39:45 *** Ouranogrammi [~arkoudaki@athedsl-273894.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't have a š key 00:39:59 <glx> where is š on danish? 00:40:20 <Bjarni> š is right of Ã¥ on a mac keyboard 00:40:48 <Bjarni> Ã¥ is right of p 00:41:00 <glx> found it 00:41:04 <glx> ö 00:41:40 <Bjarni> so does it work ingame? 00:41:43 <glx> using danish layout ;) 00:42:19 <glx> yes 00:42:23 <glx> works in game 00:42:38 <Bjarni> then it's a cocoa driver issue :( 00:42:53 <glx> just one more OSX bug :) 00:43:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> it might be an utf-8 issue 00:43:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> because ö has two possible unicode representation 00:43:39 *** Markkisen [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #openttd 00:43:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> once as "ö" and once as "oš" 00:44:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> OSX might send the second version, and somewher on the way it just discards the š 00:45:11 <glx> hmm console key is Âœ when typing in my irc client but it's oe in openttd 00:46:07 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am in serious need of PBS... especially in the mountains 00:49:29 <bruce89> a half key? 00:49:50 <glx> danish layout 00:50:31 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:56 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:51:35 <Bjarni> I don't have a half key 00:51:42 <Bjarni> I do have the  key though 00:52:13 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: You have the source. Implement PBS and be our hero. :-) 00:52:39 <Bjarni> implement it in a working state 00:52:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> Âœ is AltGr+5 here 00:52:55 <Bjarni> not just reimplement the buggy design we used to have 00:53:27 <bruce89> Âœ and here 00:53:59 <Bjarni> whatever 00:54:03 <Bjarni> I have the  key 00:54:06 <Bjarni> you can't beat that :P 00:54:45 <fjb> In a way where you don't need that stupid signals at the end of the switches. 00:56:30 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-237-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:49 <Bjarni> while we are at it you can figure out a way so we can get trains that will not stop instantly 00:58:04 <Bjarni> I expect you to be done by tomorrow morning 00:58:06 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:58:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:20 <bruce89> nearly there 00:59:06 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:01:22 <fjb> Why do trains stop instantly? I was told trains in TTD are not able to brake. :-) 00:02:22 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:02:49 <fjb> Free pizza for everyone? 00:03:05 <bruce89> free hours for everyone 00:03:44 <fjb> Yeah. :-) 00:04:22 <glx> time to set clocks 00:04:58 <ThePizzaKing> What, not for everyone, you got our extra hour 00:05:32 <bruce89> set clocks? 00:05:43 <glx> CEST became CET 00:06:36 <fjb> No need to set clocks: ntp :-) 00:06:36 <bruce89> I know, I started it 00:06:49 <bruce89> ntp and tzdata for me 00:07:07 <glx> tell it to my phone, and my vcr 00:07:33 <fjb> Hm, how about DCF77? :-9 00:07:36 <fjb> :-) 00:07:59 <bruce89> even my N800 switched 00:08:14 <bruce89> ThePizzaKing: when did your hour get lost? 00:09:03 <ThePizzaKing> Today 00:09:09 <glx> mine is just an alcatel OT511 00:09:37 <ThePizzaKing> I woke up at 9:30, then I suddenly realised it was really 10:30 now 00:09:40 <bruce89> not just there obviously 00:10:04 <fjb> My handy switched, and it uses Windows... :-) 00:10:27 <glx> my PC did it by itself too (XP powered) 00:10:33 <fjb> My phone. Sorry 00:10:39 <bruce89> intlclock broke though 00:11:05 <bruce89> it says 1:59 00:15:19 *** |fjb| [~frank@W8c3b.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 00:17:08 * |fjb| hates when his ip number changes. 00:17:23 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04356F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 00:17:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> ThePizzaKing: it's so funny, because i have an additional hour 00:18:09 <bruce89> southern hemisphere lose an hour, we win one 00:20:04 <Thiniad> whats more practical now? doing 32bpp graphic (since we can use that now in ottd) or 8bpp (since its simpler and faster and some like classic graphic lol)? 00:21:35 <bruce89> surely both 00:21:42 <glx> newgrf use 8bpp 00:22:02 <glx> 32bpp are just "replacement" sprites 00:22:47 <Thiniad> but for newbie like me is better to start with simple newgrf 00:22:52 *** fjb [~frank@Wbadd.w.pppool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:24:44 <Thiniad> i found newgrf tutorial on ttdpatch wiki, should i use that? 00:24:52 <BigBB> yes 00:25:13 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.90.101] has joined #openttd 00:25:53 <Thiniad> i read there about tool grfmaker but i cant find it to download, anyone know where i can get that 00:26:05 <BigBB> Maybe you have a look on: http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/NewGRF_Support 00:28:07 <BigBB> grfcodec can be downloaded here: http://www.ttdpatch.net/grfcodec/ simple search in wiki.ttdpatch ... 00:28:39 <Thiniad> i got grfcodec,grfwizard,nfoeditor, something else? 00:28:56 <BigBB> no 00:29:27 <Thiniad> in what program should i draw sprites? 00:29:40 <BigBB> you need only grfcodec(.exe) 00:29:52 <BigBB> whitch OS have you? 00:29:58 <Thiniad> vista 00:30:26 <BigBB> photoshop for example 00:31:08 <BigBB> maybe MSpaint and irvanview to translate the bmp to pcx 00:31:26 <BigBB> but only for simple sprites 00:31:34 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74772.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:31:52 <Thiniad> adobe? i have corel graphic suite X3, irfanview im using constantly 00:31:57 <BigBB> or a free version of photoshop: .net paint 00:32:34 <|fjb|> How about http://jdraw.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=6 ? 00:32:45 *** |fjb| is now known as fjb 00:33:04 <BigBB> no, it's call paint.net : http://www.getpaint.net/index.html 00:33:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... it's the 2nd 2:30 already... 00:33:50 <Eddi|zuHause3> i should go to bed... 00:34:08 <Thiniad> hmm jdraw looks good 00:34:10 <Thiniad> and simple 00:35:07 <BigBB> I don't know jdraw and it's support for 'moving' sprites 00:35:23 <BigBB> paint.net support it 00:35:53 <Tefad> f you are looking for Paint.NET, the best free photo editing software for Windows have they not heard of the GIMP ? 00:36:49 <Tefad> seriously, if you're going to claim to be the best.. shove it. 00:38:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76CD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:55 <BigBB> the gimp version for windows isn't as good as the version for linux. The linux version is perfekt, but for windows... 00:39:29 <Tefad> so run it from Interix ? 00:40:31 <BigBB> no 00:41:24 <BigBB> for me, I use paint.net in windows and gimp on linux ... 00:41:40 <BigBB> s/in/on 00:43:57 <Thiniad> i've downloaded both jdraw and paint.net so i'll experiment a bit 00:44:24 <BigBB> what will you draw? 00:45:07 <Thiniad> whatever pops in my mind, that has a purpose and place in ottd 00:45:58 <bruce89> Interix promotion again, goodness 00:45:58 <Thiniad> i've been thinking about some town structures and vehicles (helicopter for example) 00:47:11 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-172-027.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 00:47:20 * fjb ist transportating fish by helicopter. :-) 00:47:23 <BigBB> for town structures it's mspaint enough (for the most sprites) 00:48:12 <BigBB> you need only more if you made (or edit) 'moving' sprites 00:48:16 <Thiniad> got it all, if i miss something ill download, internet is a god 00:48:27 <fjb> I have a city where two bus stops have the same name. Is that usual or something to worry about? 00:48:53 <glx> two lables? 00:48:59 <glx> *labels 00:49:01 <BigBB> fjb, have you edit one of these two bus stopes 00:50:18 <fjb> Yes, two labels with the same name. 00:50:35 <fjb> nd they are not close to each other. 00:50:38 <glx> then one has been set "by hand" 00:50:58 <BigBB> if there is a station name like "north york" possible and you edit one station to this name it is possible that two stations have the same name (one you edit and one generated) 00:51:24 <BigBB> what glx said.. 00:51:25 <glx> easy to check: rename the town 00:51:50 <fjb> Hm, maybe I edited one of the labels. But that was long before I build the second bus stop. 00:52:35 <BigBB> and? Anyway it's possible. 00:53:01 <fjb> If I rename the city both change their name. 00:53:02 <glx> generated names and hand-made names are not checked for duplicate 00:53:48 <glx> <fjb> If I rename the city both change their name. <-- that's weird, means they both have generated name 00:54:22 <fjb> I should better rename one, I guess. :-9 00:54:27 <fjb> :-) 00:54:46 <glx> anyway the game doesn't care the name 00:55:13 <glx> it's just a cosmetic thing for the user 00:55:28 <fjb> One was only a railway station and the bus stop was added later. 00:55:42 <BigBB> maybe to extend the possible station names? 00:56:14 *** bruce89 [~bruce@81-179-117-252.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:56:40 <BigBB> I write a patch if you don't want (but find the idea good :) ) 00:56:51 <fjb> The city has only 15 stations. 00:57:08 <glx> well we already have "town #x" IIRC 00:57:48 <fjb> Where is north on the map? 00:57:49 <glx> fjb: try another language just to see what happens 00:58:05 <BigBB> yes, but only a definednumber of possible stations 00:58:31 <fjb> Oh, they have different names if I change the language. 00:58:40 <BigBB> fjb, in the north?! 00:59:25 <fjb> BigBB: But the map looks like tilted by 45°... 00:59:32 <BigBB> and? 02:00:16 <BigBB> up: north; right: east; down: south; left: west 02:00:24 <fjb> Ok 02:00:46 <BigBB> up-right == north-east and so on 02:01:28 <BigBB> theres an png from oskar, but I don't know the address atm 02:02:10 <BigBB> fjb, I need this specified direction for my shore patch :) 02:02:39 <fjb> Ah, ok, there it is really important. 02:03:09 <fjb> Ups, thw trams just crossed through each other. Lokked dangerous. 02:03:43 <fjb> BigBB: Is that patch relatet to rvers too? 02:03:50 <BigBB> no 02:04:13 <BigBB> now I make shores ... 02:04:28 <BigBB> then I make canals ... 02:04:42 <BigBB> and then I make the new flooding 02:04:43 <fjb> Ok. 02:05:06 <glx> <BigBB> yes, but only a definednumber of possible stations <-- no because you can have an "unlimited" town #x stations 02:05:10 <BigBB> and then (maybe) I make rivers 02:05:16 <fjb> Hm, do GRFs explicitly specify the vehicle ids they are using? 02:05:49 <fjb> BigBB: Please make canals over bridges. :-) 02:06:19 <BigBB> glx, yes, but the game make only a defined number of stations. only if you edit one (or more) stations you can have more 02:07:15 <BigBB> fjb, first get the shore patch into trunk ... but make a new threat whith water problems and I will see :) 02:07:48 <BigBB> fjb, problems AND suggestions 02:08:14 <glx> 24 + 9 buoys + as many #x you want 02:08:48 <BigBB> right, but you must edit one if you want to add a new 02:09:00 <glx> not needed in trunk 02:09:18 <BigBB> realy? then: sry glx 02:09:29 <glx> but it's true in 0.5.x 02:09:53 <BigBB> I only play nightlys, I feel sry 02:13:19 <BigBB> Belugas, are you here? 02:13:51 <glx> on saturday night? 02:14:02 <BigBB> I don't know 02:14:12 <BigBB> we both be on :) 02:14:23 <glx> he has a familly ;) 02:14:42 <Ammller> how do you know screen? We started a server in screen, it does still run, but the screen now hangs (after half day) 02:15:14 <BigBB> I know, but asking don't cost anything 02:15:36 <glx> are you sure it's not ssh Ammler? 02:16:34 <Ammller> we "fixed" if with "redisplay" 02:17:03 <BigBB> glx: can I ask you about a patch what I want to make (a gui patch)? 02:17:33 * glx doesn't like gui :) 02:17:53 <glx> and I'm watching anime now 02:18:22 <Thiniad> someone watch anime?! 02:19:01 <BigBB> glx: okay :) which dev can I ask? 02:19:18 <glx> try tomorrow 02:20:53 <BigBB> the day is not basic, I can wait. I want to know which dev is competent for GOI things ... :D 02:21:14 <BigBB> s/GOI/GUI 02:21:23 <glx> we all know how gui works 02:21:30 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:22:10 <BigBB> that mean, I can ask you (tomorrow or some days else ...) 02:22:39 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-68-26.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:22:52 <glx> yes :) 02:23:02 <BigBB> I want to make a signal gui ... and I prefer to know what you want to integrate in it ... 02:23:34 <glx> well there are already some signal gui patches 02:23:56 <BigBB> I don't want to make a redif of Hackykid's version. I want to make a completely new version. 02:25:00 <glx> we are not signal gui fans 02:25:41 <BigBB> please, why ? 02:26:18 *** tiaz_ [~matthias@catalyst.operationcitadel.net] has joined #openttd 02:26:38 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-71-63-10-8.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:26:43 <BigBB> I know, Hackykid's version isn't very good, but signal guis generally ? 02:26:44 <glx> I don't see the need for a signal gui 02:28:17 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> larich.oftc.net quits: CIA-1, tiaz, DaleStan, Tefad, Hendikins|Work\CBR 02:28:17 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 02:28:29 <BigBB> Okay, I prefer a gui to build the signal what you want (normal, pre, ...) directly. the gui can have a look simular to that of TTDp 02:28:33 *** CIA-1 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #openttd 02:31:20 <glx> you'll need to modify commands too 02:32:22 <BigBB> yes, that is why I ask 'you' what you prefferd :) 02:33:55 <glx> it at least needs to be MP safe 02:35:38 <BigBB> okay, thanks 02:36:01 <Thiniad> consider this in 32bpp futuristic office building :D http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/be/Burj_Dubai.jpg 02:39:47 *** Netsplit over, joins: Hendikins|Work\CBR 02:50:39 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-236-067.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 02:55:47 <BigBB> glx, what do you prefer: a gui like ttdp that only appear if you already build a signal or a gui which will be shown befor you build a signal (or anything else). 03:02:21 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-234.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:03:29 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387C25B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 03:05:19 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067219.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:06:31 <glx> BigBB: as I said, I'm not very in need for a signal gui 03:06:47 <glx> better ask potential users what they prefer 03:08:07 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387CD97.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:51 <BigBB> okay, I start a forum thread ?! 03:08:53 <fjb> The signal gui in ChrisIN usually annoys me. 03:09:45 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180064003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:09:51 <BigBB> fjb, yes, the signal gui from Hackykid isn't the best 03:10:30 <BigBB> fjb, sa what you want for a signal gui, please: 03:10:40 <BigBB> s/sa/say 03:10:57 * glx goes to sleep 03:10:59 <glx> good night 03:11:03 <Thiniad> is there a screenshot of that signal gui in ttdp 03:11:04 <BigBB> good night 03:11:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:11:21 <BigBB> mom 03:11:43 * fjb doesn't need a signal gui. 03:12:42 <fjb> I'm much faster just holding down the ctrl-key ant klicking once again. I have to click more than once at a signal anyway. 03:13:30 <BigBB> ttdp: http://www.tt-forums.net/download.php?id=80259 but without the right both buttons... 03:13:55 <BigBB> only the left ten th 03:18:57 <Thiniad> some of them have two lights, thats something new. in my opinion it would be best to create a new signal menu, like landscape menu, and there put all kinds of signal with tooltip (what each signal does), it would give more reality in game. you might make as a patch so users could have or not a menu 03:23:05 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-233-50.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:23:30 <BigBB> Thiniad, here's the ttdp original: http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/1q4h-9-png-nb.html 03:24:14 <BigBB> Thiniad, do you mean the PBS two lights? 03:25:05 <BigBB> Thiniad, this is why TTDP have PBS signals, OTTD but not. 03:25:35 <Thiniad> so thats PBS signals, whats so special about them? 03:26:47 <BigBB> about the signals: nothing. About PBS: much, but this have nothing to do with a signal gui :) 03:27:47 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-42-232.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:28:38 <Thiniad> enlighten me please - what is gui? 03:28:51 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498D8FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 03:29:11 <BigBB> a graphical interface whith that you can make an input 03:29:45 <BigBB> a Graphical User Input 03:29:49 <Thiniad> and you want gui in which you could choose between various signals 03:29:54 <BigBB> or short: GUI 03:30:05 <BigBB> yes, right 03:30:28 <Thiniad> do you have PBS in ottd code? 03:30:54 <Thiniad> or you want only regular signals in that gui 03:31:20 <BigBB> The signals now are possible 03:31:49 <Thiniad> but you need gui? 03:31:52 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 03:32:12 <BigBB> now you have 8 different signals ... 03:32:49 <BigBB> for the reason that pbs will be intregated you have 16 different signals... 03:33:41 <Thiniad> that it would be difficult and frustrating to change signals through ctrl + click 03:34:24 <BigBB> That is why I preffered a GUI :) 03:35:12 <Thiniad> and to implement signal gui in ottd you need to do what exactly 03:35:38 <BigBB> to know what the community and devs want 03:36:34 <BigBB> I have personally no problem to make a gui, but it must be accepted 03:36:46 <Thiniad> normally although you need to create graphic and commands 03:36:56 <fjb> Make it optional. 03:37:26 <BigBB> Thiniad: and? fjb: of course 03:38:04 <Thiniad> the best option is to make a thread in forum and write down what are advantages of PBS and run voting 03:38:23 <BigBB> Thiniad: I know what I have to do. I ask for: what do you (and the devs) preffered 03:39:01 <Thiniad> me: more signals, making a game a little more difficult and tempting 03:39:05 <BigBB> Thiniad: I want to make a signal gui patch and not a pbs patch... 03:39:39 <BigBB> Thiniad, maybe you read my posts? 03:39:49 <Thiniad> sorry i misunderstood something a lot 03:40:06 <Thiniad> forgive me 03:40:18 <BigBB> np, if I write to difficult: I'm sry 03:40:46 <Thiniad> no, no its no difficult, its just i sometimes get lost in some sentences 03:40:51 <BigBB> (I'm to german :) ) 03:41:25 <BigBB> okay 03:41:26 <Thiniad> i didnt write english a long time 03:41:41 <BigBB> welcome in the club :D 03:42:10 <Thiniad> lol, its to be here :) 03:42:19 <Thiniad> nice to be here lol 03:42:27 <BigBB> :) 03:42:41 <Thiniad> eh i wanted to ask you something 03:43:36 <Thiniad> im looking at newgrf graphic replacement project and i spotted some "unclaimed" small project, is that free to anyone for completition 03:44:26 <BigBB> what specially mean you? 03:44:52 <Thiniad> monorail and maglev trails 03:45:24 <Thiniad> im looking on net for some schematics and pictures of those trails thinking i might draw that 03:46:07 <BigBB> iokay, what do you want to know? how you can change the sprites of monorail and maglev? 03:46:13 <BigBB> -i 03:47:23 <BigBB> I can make you a NewGRF, but I am no graphic arthist, so please give me some images 03:47:57 * fjb thinks he has to go to bed now. 03:48:24 <BigBB> fjb, good night 03:49:12 <fjb> good night 03:49:17 *** fjb [~frank@W8c3b.w.pppool.de] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 03:49:22 <Thiniad> i found real-life images for "template", i would try to draw something then present it on forum, i just wanted know do i need to tell somebody that im working on that? 03:49:45 <BigBB> no 03:51:01 <Thiniad> okie, i've also found image for a new modern bank http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Deutsche-Bank-Frankfurt-am-Main.jpg 03:51:02 <BigBB> only post if you release your work: where your starting image will be from 03:51:14 <Thiniad> but one thing at a time 03:51:43 <Thiniad> this is maglev http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/2003/08/09/shanghai-maglev-end.of.rail.jpg 03:51:48 <BigBB> but you must have a look on the license of the image/grf/and so on 03:52:13 <BigBB> for example MB works, he don't allowed editing 03:52:41 <Thiniad> whats MB works 03:52:49 <BigBB> michael bunck 03:53:25 <BigBB> s/bunck/blunck 03:53:41 <BigBB> http://www.ewetel.net/~michael.blunck/ttd/ 03:54:29 <Thiniad> license is in power only if you directly edit his grf 03:54:32 <Thiniad> right? 03:54:56 <BigBB> edit or public it 03:56:11 <Thiniad> well i wont edit any grfs, i'll rather make new grf based on real-life building 03:56:26 <BigBB> what grf's? 03:56:31 <Thiniad> hmm eiffel tower as a city monument lol 03:56:53 <BigBB> no, what grf's you want to edit? 03:57:05 <Thiniad> none 03:57:16 <Thiniad> i want to create new graphic 03:58:03 <BigBB> all grf's in the download of OTTD are opensource so you can edit them. or do you want to replace an image, for that do you need a NewGRF and an action A IIRC 03:58:55 <BigBB> aah, okay. what do you wan to make (new) 03:59:23 <TinoDidriksen> Entirely new building types (e.g. wonders of the world), not merely new graphics for an existing building, as I understand it. 04:00:29 <Thiniad> at this moment im thinking of making new maglev trails 04:00:54 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i5387C6C3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:01:11 <BigBB> okay, my knowledge about NewGRF are low. But for new maglev tracks you need only an action A 04:01:46 <BigBB> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=ActionA 04:03:58 <Thiniad> hmm that doesnt look difficult 04:04:08 <BigBB> it's easy 04:04:21 <BigBB> if you are an artist 04:04:40 <Thiniad> it's worth a try 04:05:02 <Thiniad> i have lot of free time so i got nothing to lose 04:06:12 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i5387C25B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:53 <BigBB> are you an artist or a coder? 04:07:23 <Thiniad> nothing 04:07:48 <BigBB> your fault :) 04:07:52 <Thiniad> for me its easier to artist as i dont like numbers 04:08:06 <Thiniad> neitheir im good at math... 04:09:28 <Thiniad> what is time at you? 04:10:37 <BigBB> i'm a coder ... 04:11:12 <BigBB> c / nfo / and a little bit c++ 04:12:05 <Thiniad> is it difficult being a coder? 04:12:29 <BigBB> it depends on what do you want to code 04:13:07 <Thiniad> aha 04:13:17 <BigBB> for e.g. OTTD you must first understand the code what you want to edit/extend 04:13:43 <BigBB> for e.g. NewGRF it depends on what you want make 04:14:15 <Thiniad> so there are things that are immpossible to make 04:14:18 <BigBB> it can be very easy till extremly complicate 04:14:36 <Thiniad> heh 04:14:38 <BigBB> there'sa no immpossible 04:14:42 <BigBB> -a 04:16:00 <BigBB> I can help you to edit a patch or grf. but only if I like it how the other coders who can help you... 04:16:17 <Thiniad> so i can ask you devs to create new memory optimization engine for easy handling of very large maps with 32bpp graphic and hundreds of vehicles? 04:16:42 <BigBB> I'm no OTTD dev :D 04:16:43 <Thiniad> thank you. if i need help i will ask you 04:16:59 <Thiniad> AH 04:17:01 <BigBB> I'm a 'free' dev 04:17:10 <Thiniad> AHA! 04:17:18 <Thiniad> freelancer 04:17:23 <BigBB> :) 04:17:42 <Thiniad> thats good 04:18:13 <Thiniad> hmm....its 5am.... 04:18:27 <BigBB> no: 05:18 ^^ 04:19:22 <Thiniad> no need to be so specific lol, its actually 5:18am -1 that was stolen at 2:59:59am 04:19:31 <Thiniad> lol 04:20:31 <Thiniad> argh i meant 6:18 -1.... 04:21:37 <Tefad_> errr why isn't my steel mill requiring coal? 04:22:51 <DaleStan> Because you didn't load ECS or PBI? 04:23:05 <Tefad_> i thought in classic they're required 04:23:11 <Tefad_> both coal and iron 04:23:16 <DaleStan> Nope. 04:23:20 <Tefad_> reaaaly 04:23:34 <Tefad_> what have i been playing all these years? : x 04:23:46 <Tefad_> so coal only goes to power plants? 04:24:11 * DaleStan thinks briefly. 04:24:20 <DaleStan> Yep. Just power plants. 04:31:13 *** mikl_ [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:43:51 *** dotnine [~Tianwei_L@ip68-4-253-96.oc.oc.cox.net] has joined #openttd 04:57:53 *** dotnine [~Tianwei_L@ip68-4-253-96.oc.oc.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 04:57:57 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.90.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:03:09 <BigBB> good night 05:03:15 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04356F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 05:09:39 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-23-215.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 05:26:34 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-23-215.xnet.hr] has joined #openttd 05:26:50 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-23-215.xnet.hr] has quit [] 05:33:55 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-186-248.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 05:54:55 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-23-215.xnet.hr] has joined #openttd 05:55:27 <Thiniad> is shoreline patch from BigBB supported in latest nightly? 06:13:28 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-23-215.xnet.hr] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 06:34:54 *** Thiniad [~Thiniad@dh207-23-215.xnet.hr] has joined #openttd 06:35:14 <Thiniad> is alpine climate patch compatible with nighty builds ottd? 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08:40:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:40:29 <Wolf01> hello 08:40:48 <Luukland> heya 08:44:02 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 08:48:50 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81CBA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:50:34 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83416.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:50:37 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:54:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E6FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:47 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F522.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:54:57 <nairan> morning 08:55:40 *** nairan is now known as mcbane 08:58:50 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has joined #openttd 08:59:52 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:00:22 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-42-232.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 09:07:42 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-245-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:08:52 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 09:13:13 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-160-233.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:14:40 <mcbane> hmm 09:15:10 <mcbane> tourist center accept tourist but produce non and dont acccept food and valuables as it shout. 09:15:15 <mcbane> *should. 09:15:36 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:18:38 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:25:37 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB4D9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:29 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:37:08 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6FDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:38:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:42:38 *** Farden [jk3farden@81.56.247.196] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.1 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 09:46:13 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB6961.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:46:50 <mcbane> http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rumblevilletransport8thgb2.png nice ecs error or news error. 09:48:58 <Maedhros> heh, nice 09:49:22 <Maedhros> where on the map does the message take you if you click on it? 09:50:23 <Maedhros> hmm, probably nowhere 09:51:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> i noticed that tourist centers often get created on water during map generation 09:51:10 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6FDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:52:11 <Maedhros> hmm, i wonder who's bug that is? probably ours, i guess :) 09:52:20 <Maedhros> anyway, please can you post it on bugs.openttd.org? 09:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause3> you have a weird construction style... 09:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> afraid of signals? 09:54:15 <mcbane> into the water 09:54:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 09:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> no, i mean your rails ;) 09:54:44 <mcbane> eddi: heh was a test if i can make money and try out if tourist centers work.. 09:55:01 <mcbane> =D 09:55:36 <Eddi|zuHause3> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Klein%20Dannenmuenster%20Transport,%2029.%20Okt%201922.png <- my station style ;) 09:56:07 <mcbane> who builds in sÃŒdhorst =P 09:57:42 <mcbane> maedhros. thers a bug with tourist centers. they should accept food cargo and tourist and produce tourists but with no esc combination i can make acccept those. 09:58:02 <mcbane> it sais accept tourists but it dont produce/accept anything 09:58:23 <mcbane> eddit: yea im not that good so i use basics. 09:59:26 <Eddi|zuHause3> my tourist centers do accept food 10:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm, actually, no... it says it accepts stuff, but the station doesn't 10:00:17 <ln-> that mine so much doesn't match with the style of other grapchis 10:00:24 <ln-> graphics 10:00:44 <mcbane> eddi: it also sais it produce tourist but it dont. neither valuables. 10:02:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> ln-: yeah, there's more style stuff 10:03:17 <Eddi|zuHause3> e.g. the industry next to it has an insane height 10:07:32 <mcbane> http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=crumpleworthtransport28rt9.png 10:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... the autoroad tool is funny and nice, but the 'A' button still opens the rail toolbar 10:08:53 *** Hendikins|Work\CBR is now known as Hendikins 10:09:08 <Maedhros> i have no idea why that was ever a global shortcut 10:17:26 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-60-229-4-136.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:19:46 <Maedhros> argh. the autoroad sprite looks really ugly with the dos data files 10:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> hm... i need turning loop stations for trams... 10:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> what happend to the newgrf ports? 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11:32:46 <Jhs> when i try to save it, it says "Unexpected error: file not found" 11:32:54 <Jhs> (in norwegian) 11:37:47 <Maedhros> which version of openttd are you using? 11:39:33 *** Alberth [~hat@hmm-dca-ap03-d02-132.dial.freesurf.nl] has joined #openttd 11:40:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:43:53 <Jhs> Maedhros, the latest. 0.5.3 11:43:53 <tiaz_> what editor are you using? 11:43:57 <Jhs> gedit 11:44:10 <tiaz_> could you try saving it elsewhere and move it over the "real" one? 11:44:21 <Jhs> the thing is, i can't find the real one. 11:44:33 <tiaz_> er ... 11:44:35 <Jhs> i find it using terminal, but not in nautilus 11:44:36 <tiaz_> then what are you modifying? 11:44:39 <LeviathNL> ~/.openttd/ ? 11:44:40 <tiaz_> oh 11:44:41 <Rubidium> Jhs: find / -iname "openttd.cfg" ? 11:44:52 <tiaz_> the directory or the file? 11:44:59 <Jhs> the directory 11:45:08 <tiaz_> the directory is hidden (that's what files/dirs that start with "." are) 11:45:35 <tiaz_> you can type it in (/home/yourname/.openttd/ or ~/.openttd or probably even .openttd/) and it will go there though 11:45:38 <tiaz_> into the gedit open dialog I mean 11:45:39 *** Erotek [rysh@te245.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:46:00 *** Erotek is now known as Rysh 11:46:04 <LeviathNL> in nautilus you can use <ctrl>-h to show these hidden files 11:46:04 <Jhs> aught, now i found it 11:46:16 <Rysh> hi :) 11:47:18 <Jhs> it worked now. thanks for the help, folks. :) 11:47:44 * Jhs needed to change the standard font, because he's gonna start playing in Esperanto to up his Esperanto skillz. :D 11:51:13 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A70CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:30 <skidd13> hi 11:53:54 *** Rysh [rysh@te245.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 11:57:01 <skidd13> TrueBrain: are you awake? 12:03:49 <TrueBrain> skidd13: awake: yes; really busy: that too 12:11:16 <qkr> is there a way to build one way signals fast on railway track? I normally drag the signals but then I have to manually convert them to 1 way signals one by one 12:11:59 <Progman> convert first, then drag 12:12:23 <qkr> thx 12:17:07 <skidd13> TrueBrain: Just a side notice between your bussy day. I reduced a few things by replacing the includes by the ones provided by the NVIDIA installer and then added #define GL_GLEXT_PROTOTYPES 1 before the gl includes. But now this error occurs http://paste.openttd.org/266 12:17:20 <skidd13> :%s /bussy/busy/g 12:19:31 <TrueBrain> seems a wrong * somewhere 12:28:44 <skidd13> The qestion is where... 12:30:42 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:22 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 12:41:47 *** qkr [~qkr@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe18fa00-70.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 12:45:26 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A70CE.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:52:56 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@82.153.67.3] has joined #openttd 12:53:06 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-129-201.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:55:11 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:55:17 *** Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.205.117] has joined #openttd 12:55:53 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:56:11 *** egladil [~egladil@83.233.184.124] has joined #openttd 12:59:16 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:13 *** _Ben_ [~Ben@82.152.199.54] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:01:37 *** Ben_1 [~Ben@82.153.67.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:19:13 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has joined #openttd 13:20:50 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-200-35.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 13:26:46 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:26:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:29:48 <Alberth> What is the rationale for not publishing that a player was discovered bribing? (source code seems to indicate that, town_cmd.cpp, around line 2070: /* only show errormessage to the executing player. ....*/), Wouldn't it be fun to publish this in multi-player games? 13:30:01 <Alberth> (and the same for the other things one can do in a town) 13:38:06 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60EE6.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 13:39:31 <Sacro> Anyone in here using Anjuta? I can't get it to make a project from trunk :( 13:45:21 <TrueBrain> http://81.171.98.110:8084/ 13:45:25 *** LordJekky [~suck.my@80.176.232.84] has joined #openttd 13:45:31 <TrueBrain> click 'up/down/left/right' ;) 13:46:46 <skidd13> TrueBrain: WTF 13:49:07 <TrueBrain> skidd13: don't you like it? :p 13:49:09 *** Alltaken [~chatzilla@121-72-235-8.cable.telstraclear.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 13:49:17 <TrueBrain> skidd13: btw, IW as thinking about the OpenGL, I remember Ihad to do something simular 13:49:54 <skidd13> TrueBrain: WebTTD is mad. I like it :D 13:50:14 <TrueBrain> it is just showing landscape :p 13:50:25 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:50:33 <skidd13> Nobody's perfect 13:50:55 <TrueBrain> hi, my name is nobody 13:51:07 *** skidd13 is now known as nobody 13:51:18 *** nobody is now known as skidd13 13:51:19 <skidd13> :D 13:51:31 <TrueBrain> my point exactly :) 13:51:36 <Luukland> Ammler :) 13:51:39 <TrueBrain> anyway, generation time is too high 13:51:47 <Luukland> May I query you Ammler / Ammller? 13:52:00 <TrueBrain> @kick Luukland for the love of God, stop asking that all the time 13:52:00 *** Luukland was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [for the love of God, stop asking that all the time] 13:52:07 <skidd13> TrueBrain: Do you remember the fix for opengl? 13:52:22 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:52:24 <TrueBrain> skidd13: adding the define you said, and ... something else, something simple 13:52:33 <Luukland> Grmbl... 13:52:48 <TrueBrain> Luukland: sorry, it is really annoying, you asking that all the time. Just send him a PM, he will reply when ever he wants to 13:53:08 <Alberth> TrueBrain: FAB! 13:53:13 <skidd13> Luukland: try at #wwottdgd 13:53:17 <Luukland> TrueBrain.. I try to be polite :) 13:53:21 <Luukland> That's all :) 13:53:26 <TrueBrain> Luukland: yeah, but you never talk to him in this channel :p 13:53:50 <Luukland> I aint talk to anyone here :) 13:54:07 *** Jhs [~chatzilla@31.80-203-119.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:10 <skidd13> (14:53:52) Luukland: I aint talk to anyone here :) <<< So do you? 13:54:11 <TrueBrain> my point ;) So all we see, if you trying to reach someone :) I want to know what you guys are saying, or keep it private ;) 13:54:27 <Luukland> Certainly :) 13:54:29 <TrueBrain> skidd13: I just can't remember what it was exactly... 13:54:34 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i see the land, but how do i build anything? 13:54:36 <TrueBrain> and I can't find my working copy... 13:54:45 <Sacro> TrueBrain: actually, could that be hijacked for graphics testing? 13:54:45 <skidd13> Hrmpf 13:54:50 <TrueBrain> Sacro: pick up an piece of paper, and paste it on your screen 13:55:10 * skidd13 hands TrueBrain the find tool 13:55:20 <TrueBrain> most likely I removed my working copy 13:55:23 <TrueBrain> I do that from time to time :p 13:55:40 * skidd13 hands Truebrain the recover tool :D 13:55:46 <TrueBrain> ah, it is in my 32bpp git 13:55:59 <TrueBrain> /static PFNGLCOLORTABLEEXTPROC glColorTableEXT = NULL; 13:56:00 <Sacro> TrueBrain: i like this :) 13:56:01 <TrueBrain> that is what I did :p 13:56:04 <TrueBrain> with an extra / in front 13:56:06 <Sacro> though not really networkable 13:56:16 <TrueBrain> and #define GL_GLEXT_PROTOTYPES before <SDL.h> 13:56:19 <TrueBrain> Sacro: why not? 13:56:35 <Sacro> i'd have to make multiple copies and post them 13:56:44 <Sacro> PBIMTTD! 13:56:58 <TrueBrain> Sacro: it takes a bit longer, but not impossible 13:57:01 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD over email :) 13:57:14 <skidd13> TrueBrain: Does not work. Is your git online? 13:57:27 <TrueBrain> skidd13: it is only local, as it is peter's patch, with those 2 changes 13:57:57 <skidd13> Hmm. Maybe I've to rebase my copy. 14:01:43 <skidd13> trunk/src/blitter/opengl.cpp:22: Error: expected unqualified-id before »/« token 14:01:50 <TrueBrain> as said: 2 / 14:01:54 <TrueBrain> my IRC only put in 1 14:01:56 <TrueBrain> was silly :p 14:02:09 <skidd13> Ah 14:02:10 <skidd13> :D 14:03:23 <TrueBrain> I wonder how I can remove the flickering... 14:03:25 <skidd13> still this one: http://paste.openttd.org/267 14:04:04 <TrueBrain> comment out that block too 14:04:52 <skidd13> I remembered that I did that earlier and my linker went mad. 14:05:17 <TrueBrain> I just commented out all glColorTableEXT stuff 14:05:20 <TrueBrain> worked fine 14:05:26 <TrueBrain> linker errors are good, means compiler did its job 14:05:30 <TrueBrain> linker errors can be missing -lgl 14:08:23 *** huma [~huma@89.19.167.191] has joined #openttd 14:08:54 <huma> hmm, why i can't see any new indistries in r11255? 14:10:11 <LeviathNL> did you use any newindustries grf's? 14:11:13 *** Luukland [~luukland@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 14:11:32 <Belugas> did you specified none on number of industries? 14:11:48 <Belugas> dom you have a plain vanilla nightly? 14:12:03 <Belugas> a lot of possibilities, since here, it works... 14:12:21 <Maedhros> morning Belugas :) 14:14:54 <skidd13> Truebrain works now -lGL -lGLU have been missing 14:15:00 <Belugas> hey Maedhros :) 14:15:09 <TrueBrain> skidd13: as I said ;) 14:15:18 <skidd13> Thanks 14:15:24 <TrueBrain> have fun with it :) 14:17:41 <skidd13> :D I'll try to connect ot wwottdgd cause my hardware was too weak recently 14:17:48 <LeviathNL> Codechange: use marker loaded grf feature has_newwater when it is required. (more to come) Belugas, can we expect BigBBs completely shore or boekabarts Sealevel patch in trunk soon? :) 14:19:16 <Belugas> LeviathNL...naaaa... it was just an exercise of grf feature specifying ;) 14:19:37 <Belugas> the more to come simply means more grf feature specifier to come 14:19:38 <Belugas> lol 14:20:01 * Belugas goes away from keyboard, back to real life 14:27:27 *** LordJekky [~suck.my@80.176.232.84] has quit [] 14:29:10 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37d30.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:36:35 *** Alberth [~hat@hmm-dca-ap03-d02-132.dial.freesurf.nl] has left #openttd [] 14:36:57 <skidd13> TrueBrain: Even with opengl my hardware is too weak for wwottdgd :( 14:37:40 <TrueBrain> skidd13: the blitter only takes that much CPU :) 14:37:47 <TrueBrain> YAPF (or rather: TrainController) uses more :) 14:38:48 <skidd13> Yup I hoped I could get a few percentages from my CPU. And I could connect again but with this lags nobody wants to play. 14:40:48 <skidd13> TrueBrain: I get a mad idea what about using something like CUDA for pathfinding? 14:41:10 <skidd13> So use GPU for pathfinding :D 14:45:07 <huma> LeviathNL: should i get industry gfx separately? 14:47:30 <LeviathNL> yes, http://grfcrawler.tt-forums.net/index.php?do=list&cid=4 is a good place to start looking 14:49:01 <huma> would be nice to icnlude them in the package 15:01:21 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5BE7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 15:08:53 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 15:12:06 <dihedral> TrueBrain: is that idea of skidd really possible? 15:12:29 <TrueBrain> everything is possible :) 15:12:40 <hylje> :p 15:12:47 <hylje> gpu-accelerated pathfinding 15:12:50 <hylje> brilliant 15:13:03 <ln-> why not gpu-accelerated graphics first? 15:16:15 <dihedral> and where exactly do your sprites need accelerating 15:16:42 <TrueBrain> blittering 15:19:20 *** Polleke [Polleke@mar065.athome225.wau.nl] has joined #openttd 15:24:19 <ln-> dihedral: the phase where they move from system memory to your graphics card's memory and the screen. 15:24:40 <dihedral> :-) 15:24:45 <dihedral> but is it that much? 15:26:29 <ln-> some believe it is, but i don't have statistics. 15:26:35 <TrueBrain> ln-: btw, if the backend support it , we already do use the graphics card's memory 15:26:51 <TrueBrain> (as we simply request a video-buffer from the backend) 15:27:03 <ln-> cool 15:28:04 <TrueBrain> the only thing we might want to add, is to put the sprites in the GPs memory too :p 15:28:15 <TrueBrain> but the speed-gain willb e minimum 15:28:40 <TrueBrain> (when moving the screen, the buffer is moved around, so pretty fast ;)) 15:28:48 <ln-> what about drawing stuff on an OpenGL texture? 15:29:06 <TrueBrain> see peter's OpenGL patch 15:29:11 <TrueBrain> it loads all sprites as textures, I believe 15:29:20 <TrueBrain> OpenGL only has a few problems to work correctly :) 15:31:08 <glx> one of them is the need for sdl :) 15:31:09 <ln-> so, effectively all this means i need to go buy a faster cpu to be able to play or even observe wwottdgd. 15:31:21 <TrueBrain> it works fine here :p 15:31:24 <TrueBrain> with 40% load... 15:31:28 <TrueBrain> @op 15:31:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:31:39 <TrueBrain> @deop 15:31:41 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:31:46 <TrueBrain> hmm, I don't have any old-topics in my history lsit 15:31:48 <TrueBrain> that sucks :p 15:31:57 <glx> do you want the old one? 15:31:58 <TrueBrain> ah, I do 15:31:59 <TrueBrain> @op 15:31:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:32:04 *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | YouTube link == Ban 15:32:06 <TrueBrain> @deop 15:32:06 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 15:32:21 <TrueBrain> ln-: remember that most of the CPU goes to the train controller 15:32:26 <TrueBrain> not to the blitter or other graphical things 15:32:57 <ln-> m'kay 15:33:18 <TrueBrain> (and if you want to know how much, profile the game :)) 15:36:43 <dihedral> is there no way of making that a little 'sliker'? 15:37:06 <TrueBrain> feel free to try 15:37:12 <TrueBrain> make a profile, pick the top function, try to optimize it 15:38:25 <dihedral> i want to have a closer look at the networking first :-) 15:40:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11352 /trunk/src/ (misc_cmd.cpp train_cmd.cpp vehicle.cpp vehicle.h): -Codechange: cache callback 2D result (vehicle color mapping) instead calling it every time the vehicle is drawn 15:41:42 * ln- preparing to compile with debug symbols on Mac... 15:42:06 <ln-> should i use DEBUG=1 or what? 15:42:47 <hylje> DEBUG=FILE_NOT_FOUND 15:43:04 <glx> ./configure --enable-debug=3 15:45:26 <ln-> thanks 15:46:05 <glx> but for profiling level 3 may be too much 15:46:24 <glx> there's a switch to enable profiling 15:47:25 <ln-> i'm not going to use gprof. 15:47:34 <ln-> but Shark 15:58:07 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has joined #openttd 16:01:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11353 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: add support for newgrf callback 32 16:04:33 <Progman> yeah, newgrf callback 32 16:04:44 <Progman> what is it? 16:04:57 <Maedhros> why not look it up? :p 16:04:57 <ln-> ok, i have a 2048^2 map with no trains nor other vehicles. 16:05:18 <ln-> 21.7% of CPU is eaten by GetTileType(unsigned) 16:05:31 <TrueBrain> ln-: and you total CPU usage is almost nothing ;) 16:06:03 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6EC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:09 <Maedhros> ln-: a lot of those might well be called from asserts, since you've enabled debugging 16:07:00 <ln-> ok, what options should i pass and what animals to sacrifice to compile with full optimizations, no asserts, but with debug symbols? 16:07:36 <glx> --disable-assert 16:07:42 <TrueBrain> and lvl1 debug 16:08:21 <skidd13> TrueBrain: checked FS1341 ? 16:08:27 <TrueBrain> skidd13: didn't had the time 16:08:36 <skidd13> no problem 16:08:39 <ln-> and animals? 16:08:42 <TrueBrain> ln-: downside of using lvl1 debug, is that you don't see the inlines ;) 16:09:09 <TrueBrain> sheep 16:09:12 <TrueBrain> always sheep 16:09:16 <TrueBrain> and then get me some soarma! 16:09:23 <Maedhros> full optimisation and debug symbols rarely play well together... 16:09:52 <ln-> "Unknown option --with-sheep" 16:10:32 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E6FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:25 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: playing q3, bbl] 16:19:17 <TrueBrain> http://81.171.98.110:8084/ <- now without flickering :) 16:28:48 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-175-016.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 16:31:00 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-104-215.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:26 <ln-> someone remove the [x] button from difficulty settings window immediately! 16:31:48 <skidd13> ln-: why? 16:32:18 <ln-> skidd13: it behaves differently than all other [x] buttons in the game. 16:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> countersuggestion: add a "discard changes?" dialogue 16:33:10 <skidd13> What do you expect from it? 16:34:00 <ln-> skidd13: i expect it to close the window and apply the settings i just changed. 16:34:12 <ln-> but noooo, it just silently ignores them. 16:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause> skidd13: other windows (e.g. patch settings) do not require saving 16:35:25 <skidd13> ln-: Wait a second I take a look at it. 16:38:25 <skidd13> The change to autosave won't be too difficult. But I'd prefer a popup. 16:38:45 *** Arpad58 [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:52 <ln-> skidd13: darkvater doesn't prefer. 16:40:07 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@vdburgt.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:25 <Maedhros> that's deliberate - otherwise you wouldn't be able to go back from custom if you change any difficulty settings 16:40:28 <ln-> skidd13: but anyway, there is already a save button and a cancel button. the simplest way would be to remove the [x] because it won't do what it should anyway. 16:40:49 <ln-> i use "anyway" too much anyway. 16:41:30 <ln-> popups are bad UI design. 16:42:22 <skidd13> I'd prefer a clean solution. But I've to agree that a popup sucks 16:42:54 <ln-> and no other window gives you a popup after [x] either. 16:44:38 <skidd13> But the ignore any changes if [x] is pressed is easy to get, but on the other hand it doesn't fit in the common style. Hmm. This needs some further thinkin 16:45:20 <ln-> remove [x], force the user to consciously choose cancel or save. problem solved. end of thinking. 16:45:23 <Phazorx> is there an easy/hackish way to make a full minimap screenshot? 16:49:49 *** Arpad [~Gali@bravo839.server4you.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:44 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: hg/git.openttd.org seem to be stuck again. and is it deliberate that git://git.openttd.org/svn.git wasn't updated since weeks ago? 16:53:18 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 16:56:17 *** bluebear_ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37d30.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:03:07 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37d30.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:06:17 *** gynterk [~gynter@84-50-139-211-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 17:14:22 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.90.101] has joined #openttd 17:19:04 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:19:42 *** gynterk [~gynter@84-50-139-211-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee] has quit [] 17:22:04 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:25:33 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 17:26:16 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:28:15 *** dihedral is now known as dihedral|afk 17:34:31 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: doing a manual update, it should tell me what is going wrong 17:34:53 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37b57.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 17:34:58 *** bluebear__ is now known as bluebear 17:35:14 *** Ammller is now known as Ammler|eating 17:37:28 <TrueBrain> error: bad ref for refs/remotes/0.4 17:39:23 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:03 <TrueBrain> error: unable to open object pack directory: .git/objects/pack: Too many open files 17:41:07 *** bluebear_ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37d30.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:41:07 <TrueBrain> so that explains a few things :) 17:41:10 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@dhcp-077-251-137-010.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:42:47 <LeviathNL> TrueBrain, http://svn.openttd.org/ does not update (again) 17:45:23 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-116-229.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:48:08 <glx> LeviathNL: known 17:48:15 <glx> he is working on it 17:49:40 <LeviathNL> ok, good work 17:54:17 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:54:46 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 17:57:31 *** SprudL [~ignorant@082-146-099-101.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #openttd 18:03:11 <dihedral|afk> TrueBrain: thank you again for all the help support and work you offored and did... 18:03:28 <dihedral|afk> :-) 18:03:43 <Phazorx> yup, thanks TB 18:03:50 <Phazorx> and i have a question btw 18:04:00 <Phazorx> is there an easy/hackish way to make a full minimap screenshot? 18:11:05 <SprudL> I'm confused.. should I enable npf and yapf in the patches or just one? 18:11:58 <glx> yapf override npf 18:12:00 <LeviathNL> only yapf for roadvehicles, trains and airplanes(?), and npf for ships iirc 18:12:32 <glx> no, ships are slow with npf or yapf 18:13:06 <glx> s/are slow/slows the game/ 18:13:16 <SprudL> ships are slow indeed :) 18:14:41 *** Ammler|eating is now known as Ammller 18:14:58 <SprudL> thanks for the info 18:18:01 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-113-129.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:21:37 *** dihedral|afk is now known as dihedral 18:21:50 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.90.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:21 *** dihedral [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-245-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.8/2007100816]] 18:24:35 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-116-229.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:35 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 18:25:09 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@dhcp-077-251-137-010.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:25 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-113-129.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:50:39 <TrueBrain> dihedral|away / Phazorx: it was my plesure :) 18:50:52 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-113-129.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:52 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 18:57:00 *** fjb [~frank@W8c3b.w.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:07 <fjb> Moin 18:58:10 <fjb> Oh, I see a double Ammler. May I see a pink elephant soon? 18:59:59 <ln-> this is not an X-rated channel 19:00:30 <fjb> Are pink elephants x-rated? 19:00:44 <ln-> anything that is pink. 19:01:46 <fjb> Oh, I didn't know. Why is pink an allowed company color then? :-) 19:03:20 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-72-65.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:03:29 <fjb> Hm, pink airplanes are looking strange. 19:03:34 <TrueBrain> as this is neither a X-rated game 19:03:53 <TrueBrain> ln-: how is the profiling going? 19:04:06 * fjb wants pink elephants in the game. 19:05:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E6FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:06:26 <ln-> TrueBrain: i figured i should use some savegame that has enough tracks, if i build one line it's not very realistic load. 19:06:37 <TrueBrain> use the wwottdgd one ;) 19:08:30 <ln-> i could try joining that... 19:08:46 <TrueBrain> after join, the map is in save/autosave/networkclient.tmp 19:09:27 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-113-129.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:27 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 19:09:40 <TrueBrain> Farden: are you going tokeep on timing out? 19:13:25 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6EC7.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 19:13:34 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-72-65.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:15:15 <Farden123> the answer is : yes 19:15:20 <hylje> :o 19:15:21 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-72-65.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:22 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 19:15:46 <TrueBrain> Farden: then it might be for the best to part from IRC channels for the time being 19:15:46 <Farden> as long as I won't have my own connection, I won't be sure that it works 19:15:58 <Farden> and it could be for months 19:16:07 <TrueBrain> then you really have a sucky connection :p 19:16:09 <Farden> but I don't want to stay offline for months^^ 19:16:17 <Farden> if a shared connection 19:16:21 <Farden> with all my building 19:16:32 <TrueBrain> then they should install a decent QoS :) 19:16:34 <Farden> i've* 19:16:40 <Farden> they are stupid 19:17:01 <TrueBrain> I agree :) 19:17:04 <Farden> i've ordered my own internet connection, but there are technical problems with the line 19:17:12 <Farden> so i've got the modem, but the line is not working 19:17:30 <TrueBrain> I hope you are not paying for it :) 19:21:25 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E6FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Progman] 19:21:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E6FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:44 *** dihedral|away is now known as dihedral 19:22:11 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-72-65.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:25:56 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 19:28:55 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-72-65.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:28:55 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 19:34:31 *** dihedral is now known as dihedral|ko 19:43:45 <TrueBrain> General Notice: as summertime came to an end, the nightly is just finish compiling (1 hour earlier, for those who don't have summertime ;)) 19:44:13 <TrueBrain> michi_cc / LeviathNL: git problems fixed, slowly things are rebuilding now, but it takes for ever :) 19:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't it be "1 hour later"? 19:45:26 <TrueBrain> depends on how you look at it :P 19:45:34 <TrueBrain> you are right :) 19:46:10 <glx> anyway no changes for me ;) 19:55:24 <fjb> Looking at the last comits: will we have rivers in the near future? 19:55:31 <Phazorx> TrueBrain:/ glx anuy idea on a hack for full minimap screenshot? 19:56:03 <TrueBrain> Phazorx: nope 19:56:14 <glx> same here 19:56:17 <Phazorx> :( 19:56:35 <Phazorx> it should be possible 19:56:55 <Phazorx> since it has all the data and only display is limited 19:57:07 <Phazorx> so same dieas as for global screen can be applied 20:02:22 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3019f.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:03:59 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60EE6.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:04:32 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60EE6.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:07:24 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:08:07 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37b57.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:08:20 *** bluebear__ is now known as bluebear 20:09:02 *** thgerg1 [~Administr@dsl51B78884.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:12:35 * fjb likes the new bridges over almost everything feature. 20:12:35 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B60EE6.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:56 <TrueBrain> http://81.171.98.110:8084/ <- even faster :) (okay, I will stop posting this link :p) 20:31:14 <hylje> fjb: there's a new new bridges?! :p 20:32:47 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:32:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 20:34:40 <fjb> :-) 20:34:44 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-129-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:36:33 <fjb> TrueBrain: cool. :-) 20:36:49 <TrueBrain> fjb: tnx, I like it too ;) 20:37:33 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 20:37:33 <Bjarni> !logs 20:37:58 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: try using BOOKMARK in your browser 20:38:09 <Bjarni> I have bookmarked it 20:38:13 <Bjarni> but this is faster :P 20:38:17 <TrueBrain> so why bugging us all the time 20:38:19 <TrueBrain> it is really annoying... 20:40:38 *** Osai^2 [~Osai@pD9EB6961.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:25 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6961.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:32 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-72-65.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:41:32 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 20:41:36 *** Osai^2 is now known as Osai 20:41:42 <TrueBrain> I should make a rule: if you look at my URL, you have to give your opinion :p 20:41:44 <TrueBrain> mwhahaha :) 20:41:58 <fjb> TrueBrain: What is that? An online landscape generator? 20:42:16 <TrueBrain> no, fjb, that is a landscape :) 20:42:19 <TrueBrain> in which you can move around 20:42:43 <fjb> Can I build anithing there? :-) 20:42:52 <TrueBrain> Not a thing 20:43:12 *** SprudL_ [~ignorant@082-146-099-030.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #openttd 20:43:15 <fjb> :-( 20:43:17 <fjb> :-) 20:43:18 <TrueBrain> the map on the other hand is shared 20:43:23 <TrueBrain> so if I would make a change, you would see it :p 20:43:47 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-129-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:43:49 <TrueBrain> just bandwidth seems to be a small problem... 1 click on the navigation is around 1kiB of data 20:44:09 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:44:29 <fjb> Hm, then the bandwidth problöem is not on my side. :-P 20:44:47 <TrueBrain> the slowness is because currently the host is doing some compression :) 20:46:00 *** SprudL [~ignorant@082-146-099-101.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:21 <TrueBrain> the thing is, each click I need to update 30 tiles with information (the image, their position) 20:46:22 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43614.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:46:34 <TrueBrain> this means many chars... 20:46:40 <TrueBrain> and if I want clients to pre-cache, this would even increase... 20:47:10 <fjb> Ok. What ist it good for? 20:47:17 <TrueBrain> absolutely nothing 20:47:47 <TrueBrain> I just like designing things people claim impossible :) Like a scrollable landscape in a browser, generated < 5ms :) 20:49:33 <fjb> Oh. :-) 20:50:09 <fjb> How about making signal on bridges or tunnel then? :-P 20:50:18 <TrueBrain> not interested 20:50:36 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:50:47 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-129-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:14 <fjb> Ok. I just tried it. 20:51:17 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-129-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:51:41 <TrueBrain> 378M hg/svn 20:51:44 <TrueBrain> 53M git/svn.git 20:51:45 <TrueBrain> hehe 20:52:32 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:52:40 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:10 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-129-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:54 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:56:45 <TrueBrain> k, svn<->git bridge seems to be working again :) 21:00:55 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 21:07:35 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-143-249.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:11:19 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:36 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:11:49 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-130-232.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 21:14:05 <Phazorx> TrueBrain: can you take a look at this plz http://bugs.openttd.org/task/54 21:14:11 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-129-246.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:14:18 <Phazorx> i'm trying to get it to work to some degree with current trunk 21:14:20 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-143-249.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:16:17 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-42-232.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:27 *** Ammler [~ammler@adsl-84-226-42-232.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:17:04 <Wolf01> 'night 21:17:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host117-20-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:18:37 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:48 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:21:01 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-143-249.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:58 *** mikk36 [~mikk36@ip223.cab56.mus.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 21:22:11 <mikk36> "Each time you quit OpenTTD, it writes any changes to the file." <-- does it ? 21:24:16 <mikk36> changing options during a game does not make them go to the conf any more ? 21:26:04 *** Ben_ is now known as _Ben_ 21:29:40 <Maedhros> not during a game, no 21:29:47 <Maedhros> only if you change them at the main menu 21:31:55 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-175-26.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:36:51 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-143-249.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:51 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 21:38:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:39:06 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:39:38 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:49 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 21:40:25 <Phazorx> NukeBuster: you are actualy one of maintainers for this one - what am i missing? 21:43:40 *** Farden123 [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-175-26.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 21:49:18 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 21:49:46 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-175-26.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:49:46 *** Farden123 is now known as Farden 21:54:34 *** bubersson [~bubersson@stechovice.eurosignal.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83416.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:35 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has joined #openttd 22:00:52 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:12 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8459D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:01:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:01:49 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-160-233.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: good night] 22:06:18 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-109-253.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:08:27 <Ammlller> Heya, what can be problem, if I have "Speicherzugriffsfehler" 22:09:27 <Ammlller> segmentation fault ? 22:17:14 <valhalla1w> Ammlller: that sounds like drive access error to me 22:17:20 *** pecisk [~pecisk@78.84.139.234] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:17:23 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 22:17:48 <Ammlller> valhallasw: on a dedicated server 22:18:15 <valhallasw> then why have you set your locale to german? :P 22:18:29 <Ammlller> oh, I have to check the hd :) 22:18:54 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 22:19:07 <Ammlller> hmm 26% of 15 Gig used 22:19:11 <Progman> its more like an memory error 22:19:23 <valhallasw> my german is not that good 22:20:00 <Ammlller> valhallasw: leo translated into segmentation fault 22:20:07 <valhallasw> oh. 22:22:51 <Sacro> Ammlller: can't you put it in English? 22:23:11 <Ammlller> Sacro: segmentation fault 22:23:22 <Sacro> Ammlller: i mean the server :p 22:24:10 <Ammlller> switching locale? 22:26:12 <Ammlller> seems, its the save 22:27:27 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28:19 *** bluebear__ [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db37e34.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 22:29:52 *** SprudL_ [~ignorant@082-146-099-030.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:33:07 *** bluebear [~chatzilla@cmnz-4db3019f.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:07 *** bluebear__ is now known as bluebear 22:36:00 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498F522.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:38:58 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:04 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammlller: segmentation fault is when the program tries to access memory that it did not reserve before 22:49:02 <Ammlller> Eddi|zuHause: strange was, it happens only with a special save 22:49:10 <Eddi|zuHause> in C that often means array out of bound 22:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> or accessing a freed pointer 22:49:33 <Eddi|zuHause> or wrong pointer arithmetics 22:49:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i recently had one during an autosave 22:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but i could not reproduce it 22:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> if you can reproduce it, a backtrace might help 22:52:19 <Bjarni> might? 22:52:36 <Bjarni> a backtrace always gives more info in a case like this 22:52:44 <Bjarni> like where in the code it fails 22:53:08 <Bjarni> the question is if you can make sense of why it fails at that function, but you will know where it fails 22:53:23 <Ammlller> I have a save where it will happen... 22:53:41 <Bjarni> try it in a debug build 22:53:41 <Ammlller> after unpausing in about 5 sec 22:53:52 <Ammlller> also in SP 22:53:54 <Bjarni> that is if you know how to debug ;) 22:54:08 <Ammlller> yeah, I should know... :) 22:54:18 <Ammlller> but I am not pro of that... 22:54:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8459D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:35 <Ammlller> if I run it with -d it only exited, no message 22:54:39 <Bjarni> it takes very little skill to locate the line where an app crashes 22:54:45 <Ammlller> but I do a debug compile 22:55:06 <Bjarni> I didn't say run it with debug output, but run it in a debugger 22:55:13 <Bjarni> there is a difference 22:55:20 <Ammlller> you mean dbg? 22:55:29 <Bjarni> yeah that will do 22:56:09 <Bjarni> gdb is a debugger, but any debugger will do 22:56:23 <Bjarni> note: it helps to type the name correctly when starting it ;) 22:57:05 <Ammlller> :) 22:58:13 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-164-75.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:13:19 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:24 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 23:15:14 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-129-201.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:08 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:36:20 <Bjarni> Ammlller: any update on where it crashes? 23:37:04 <Ammlller> oh, I had some other play with Osai^zZz, but he is now gone, I try it now 23:40:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E6FD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:46 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-175-26.w83-202.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )] 23:46:27 <Ammlller> Bjarni: http://paste.openttd.org/268 23:47:19 <Bjarni> hmm 23:48:11 <Bjarni> is v pointing to a sane vehicle? 23:49:01 <Ammlller> well, I didn't use it more... 23:49:11 <Ammlller> how to see such things 23:49:14 <Bjarni> maybe the data in v is saved incorrectly 23:49:21 <Bjarni> print *v 23:49:50 <Ammlller> huw, big output 23:49:58 <Bjarni> I know 23:50:08 <Bjarni> look for out of place data in it 23:50:33 <Bjarni> but I'm just guessing 23:50:53 <Ammlller> http://paste.openttd.org/269 23:51:24 <Ammlller> the only diff between this save and the save we just played 23:51:30 <Ammlller> is the new dutch tram set 23:51:49 <Bjarni> ... 23:51:59 <Bjarni> what happened to: one var, one line ordering? 23:52:08 <Bjarni> this is damn hard to read :( 23:52:28 <Ammlller> Bjarni: you have the grfpack already 23:52:33 <Ammlller> you you like the save 23:52:43 <Ammlller> it will fail by you too 23:53:00 <Ammlller> it took now may 1min 23:53:13 <Ammlller> but mostly it failed after 10sec 23:53:51 *** RedDevil [RedDevil@BSN-77-150-161.static.dsl.siol.net] has joined #openttd 23:54:18 <fjb> Ammler: Do you use my patch for the dutch tram set? 23:54:24 <Bjarni> make a bug report and post the savegame with it 23:54:30 <Bjarni> I don't think I can solve this right away 23:54:32 <Ammlller> :), no you are lucky 23:55:30 <fjb> My early versions of that patch had some problems. But now they are fixed. 23:55:39 <Bjarni> all I can make out of this is that it checks some overtaking code for a tram and then it crashes 23:56:11 <Bjarni> it's road vehicle 177 23:56:12 <Ammlller> maybe dutch trams does something new with articulated, what others don't? 23:56:30 <Bjarni> could be interesting to see what it's doing in the game when the game crashes 23:57:10 <Bjarni> I have no idea what the grf in question does or doesn't... you see I'm not a newGRF guru :/ 23:58:00 <Ammlller> fjb: do you know the dutch set well 23:58:39 <fjb> The dutch tram set chould not touch road vehicle 177. 23:59:11 <fjb> I don't know much about nfo. I just changed a few hex values. :-) 23:59:23 <Ammlller> hmm, I didn't read it yet, but there is also a bug releated to ottd, split in the thread. 23:59:25 <Bjarni> at random? 23:59:50 <Bjarni> changing hex values at random could be... interesting