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00:01:12 <fjb> Nobody wants something unwanted. :-) 00:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> that's kinda the point :p 00:08:44 <Peter1986> lol yeah but to a coded server, even 'good' people can't just go... 00:09:35 <Peter1986> like if i say my code is d4Rk_L1f3 and others don't figure out, how will they join??? :D 00:09:37 <Peter1986> xD 00:10:07 <Peter1986> zuHause means is at home... in German 00:10:09 <Peter1986> right? 00:10:23 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 00:10:53 <Peter1986> is everyone German except me? 00:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> yex 00:11:09 <Peter1986> at lake Balaton, i see many German tourists during summer 00:11:28 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- austrian, not german 00:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, that's a very common goal 00:11:31 <Peter1986> i always ask, are they post-East, or post-West, and 99% of them answer :) 00:11:57 <Peter1986> aha... 00:12:07 <Peter1986> but you also use German language... 00:12:17 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes^^ 00:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> when you want to call it like that :po 00:12:27 <Peter1986> i guess only we are a nation which use its language on its own... 00:12:47 <Peter1986> even our so-called language relatives are pretty far from understanding us :D 00:13:19 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-173.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13:35 * fjb is german. 00:13:47 <Peter1986> -me is a Hungarian 00:13:52 * Peter1986 is a Hungarian 00:14:12 <Peter1986> from the Northern border of Balkan 00:14:15 <Peter1986> xD 00:14:36 <fjb> Hungarian is a very strange language. 00:14:45 <Peter1986> any way, my English isn't really good, and my German is almost zero... 00:15:00 <fjb> We understand you, so it's fine. 00:15:20 <Peter1986> jaaaa Plattensee ist sehr schön... Ungarn habe schöne mÀdchen 00:15:29 <Peter1986> :D 00:15:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 00:15:40 <Peter1986> schwein is pig 00:15:54 <oh_> I've neglected my german 00:15:56 <Peter1986> and scheise is sh1t 00:15:57 <Peter1986> :) 00:16:03 <fjb> And you had great photographic paper. :-( 00:16:23 <Peter1986> so it's all i know in German... 00:16:23 <oh_> though I'm thinking more and more about moving to germany, thus I find myself watching strange german sitcoms 00:16:54 <Peter1986> where are you from? 00:16:58 <oh_> norway :> 00:17:16 <Peter1986> many from your nation study here at medical univ. 00:17:24 <Peter1986> Pécs University :) 00:17:36 <oh_> yeah, I have a mate going there 00:17:41 <oh_> and another one in buda 00:17:47 <Peter1986> das ist FÃŒnfkirche auf Deutsch 00:17:48 <oh_> pest that is 00:17:57 <Peter1986> so it's 5 churches is German 00:18:09 <Peter1986> Budapest is our capitol 00:18:22 <Peter1986> but nowdays many cities have college and university 00:18:31 <Peter1986> even small ones... 00:18:41 <Peter1986> many are founded after the regime change 00:18:50 <Peter1986> when socialism collapsed... 00:18:59 <oh_> there was some commotion a while back about a bunch of norwegian pecs students bringing corpses back to their apartments :o 00:19:12 <Peter1986> really??? 00:19:22 <Peter1986> why do they bring corpse home? 00:19:26 <Peter1986> it's morbid... 00:19:45 <oh_> indeed, apparently they wanted to study anatomy on their own ;P 00:19:54 <Peter1986> pff... :P 00:20:00 <Peter1986> tragical... 00:20:22 <Peter1986> we even have African, Arabian, Persian, Asian ppl at the Univ. :) 00:20:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i've heard that if you can sell everything from a healthy human corpse, it's worth about 100k $ 00:20:27 <Peter1986> and many Germans too :) 00:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> we have lots of chinese people here 00:21:02 <Peter1986> then i don't worth too much... i'm 21, smoking and drinking coffee every day 00:21:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> at the university i mean 00:21:09 <Peter1986> and drinking alcohol on parties 00:21:20 <Peter1986> we have Chinese traders 00:21:28 <Peter1986> they operate shops and restaurants 00:21:29 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 00:21:32 <Peter1986> i like Chinese girls 00:21:34 <Peter1986> :D 00:21:40 <Peter1986> i had one Chinese gf 00:21:41 <oh_> Gonozal_VIII: depends where ofcourse ;) 00:22:01 <Gonozal_VIII> chinese restaurant :-) 00:22:01 <Peter1986> i wrote it out on tt-forums :D 00:22:19 <Peter1986> i like Asian girls generally... 00:22:29 <Peter1986> they are somehow... feminine inside 00:22:33 <Peter1986> and outside too :) 00:22:39 <oh_> I'll never have a chinese gf :o 00:22:39 <Peter1986> but not bitchy at all 00:22:57 <Peter1986> hope you aren't discriminating them... 00:23:09 <Peter1986> cause i don't discriminate other humans 00:23:13 <oh_> no, I just shoulda thought about that before I ended up practically married ;) 00:23:14 <Gonozal_VIII> not bitchy is good... hard to find nowadays 00:23:30 <Peter1986> yes 00:23:41 <Peter1986> in Europe, and North America, hard 00:23:41 <oh_> it'll be something I'll moan about when I get old I guess ;P 00:23:47 <Peter1986> in 3rd world: easy 00:24:00 <Peter1986> girls grew up and learn other things like here 00:24:04 <Peter1986> they are tolerant 00:24:08 <Peter1986> and loving 00:24:16 <Peter1986> and they take care about the kids 00:24:18 <Peter1986> etc. 00:24:50 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 00:24:58 <Peter1986> have you ppl seen the movie Borat? 00:25:07 <oh_> who hasn't ;) 00:25:18 <Peter1986> ME NAME BORAT I FROM KAZAKHSTAN 00:25:21 <Peter1986> :) 00:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> what he said 00:25:39 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:43 <Peter1986> btw i like to write bullsh1t on signs when gaming online @ OTTD :D 00:25:50 <Peter1986> like that sentence 00:26:13 <Peter1986> or like DAT MY CITI NO ONE TAKE DAT! 00:26:16 <Peter1986> or so 00:26:17 <Peter1986> :) 00:26:27 <oh_> I CAN HAZ MILL PLX?! 00:26:34 <oh_> then proceed to post land-buys all around it 00:26:37 <oh_> ? 00:26:48 <Peter1986> no i don't buy the city 00:26:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe lolcode 00:27:13 <Peter1986> but i don't like when others surround it with 10x10 stations so it can't grow... 00:27:15 <oh_> used to play wow as a raider 00:27:21 <oh_> it's a part of me whether I like it or not :/ 00:27:26 <Peter1986> i like cities growing to metropolis 00:27:28 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-99-161.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:20 <Peter1986> what's this i can haz mill plx?! 00:28:31 <Peter1986> wow is world of warcraft, yes? 00:28:47 <oh_> yeah 00:29:09 <Peter1986> and whats 'i can haz mill plx?!' 00:29:11 <Peter1986> ? 00:29:32 <oh_> just an imitation of how alot of wow players would phrase themselves 00:29:56 <Gonozal_VIII> also a programming language :-) 00:30:00 <Peter1986> when i have the feeling i like to imitate very bad english skills... 00:30:12 <oh_> http://lolcat.com/ 00:30:13 <Peter1986> like 00:30:15 <Peter1986> who you? 00:30:22 <oh_> hu joo 00:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> HAI 00:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> CAN HAS STDIO? 00:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> VISIBLE "HAI WORLD!" 00:30:24 <Gonozal_VIII> KTHXBYE 00:30:24 <Peter1986> wat citi? 00:30:30 <oh_> haha gono 00:30:44 <oh_> http://lolcode.com/ 00:30:45 <Peter1986> you is not nice get lost from me citi etc. 00:31:05 <Peter1986> and stupid BORAT-like stuff 00:31:05 <oh_> u bad dis mine citi n00b gtfo 00:31:19 <Peter1986> gtfo = ? 00:31:24 <Peter1986> get the fuck out? 00:31:26 <oh_> aye 00:31:27 <Peter1986> or what? 00:32:54 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe try/catch block is opened by PLZ then AWSUM THX for success and O NOES for exception^^ 00:33:12 <Peter1986> lol 00:33:22 <Peter1986> is it seriously a program code? 00:33:27 <Peter1986> hehehe :) 00:33:31 <Gonozal_VIII> yes it is :-) 00:34:13 <Peter1986> many geeks is live on face of mother Earth JAH know dat... 00:34:18 <Peter1986> hehe 00:34:24 <Peter1986> like Rastaman say... 00:34:27 <Peter1986> :D 00:35:03 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: bed] 00:38:16 <Peter1986> anyway, i'm not a typical computer geek :D 00:38:24 <Peter1986> i have RL too :D 00:38:26 <Peter1986> xD 00:39:42 <Peter1986> is anyone here? 00:39:55 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D46.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: i think the "WTF EXCEPTION" thing is much funnier :) 00:40:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:41:16 <Peter1986> anyway, i like the game OTTD, but sometimes i need to go somewhere where i find friends, beers and of course college/university girls :D 00:41:23 <Peter1986> single girls of course 00:41:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> you what? 00:41:44 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe somebody could implement that into the game... 00:41:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> :p 00:41:55 <Peter1986> what? 00:42:02 <Gonozal_VIII> roadmap 0.7.0 00:42:03 <Peter1986> date with girlz? 00:42:14 <Peter1986> lol 00:42:25 <Peter1986> first i think we shoulda make more grf 00:42:35 <Peter1986> like RUSSKIY things... 00:42:43 <Peter1986> good old USSR stuff 00:42:57 <Peter1986> like Sergei diesel train, and KAMAZ rucks... 00:43:00 <Peter1986> ZIL 00:43:04 <Gonozal_VIII> the wiki says: "There is no idea what is going to be in 0.7.0." so it could be hot girls! 00:43:12 <Peter1986> MAZ truck, bus, trolleyá 00:43:16 <Peter1986> ZIU trolley 00:43:46 <Peter1986> and other communist-era things (Czeh, Slovak, Serbian grf producers did some nice job) 00:43:57 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:07 <Peter1986> maybe we need IFA too :) 00:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, there was this sergey guy... 00:44:36 <Peter1986> and create some more socialistic building pack 00:45:09 <Peter1986> to make a "on the other side of the Iron Curtain" pack :D 00:45:19 <Gonozal_VIII> erm... :S WTF EXCEPTION 00:45:53 <Gonozal_VIII> with the narrow gauge rail grf i can build narrow gauge rail.. 00:46:11 <Gonozal_VIII> but as soon as i add narrow gauge trains, the rail is disabled 00:46:23 <Peter1986> why? it will be nice... to we eastern ppl feel home too :) 00:46:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> funny ;) 00:46:42 <Peter1986> so narrow gauge replace ragular rail? 00:46:51 <Gonozal_VIII> monorail 00:47:09 <Peter1986> oh... 00:47:11 <Peter1986> how? 00:47:23 <Peter1986> OTTD can use more than 3 rail types right? 00:47:31 <Peter1986> we already have 4 00:47:36 <Peter1986> and 2 road types 00:47:41 <Peter1986> road and tram 00:47:56 <Peter1986> we shoulda need trolley road too xD 00:48:04 <Gonozal_VIII> yes and the narrow gauge replaces monorail 00:48:14 <Peter1986> it's bad... 00:48:28 <Peter1986> as USA kids say: that sux... 00:48:35 <Gonozal_VIII> not bad as most trainsets don't have monorail 00:48:45 <Peter1986> yeah... 00:48:52 <Gonozal_VIII> and even with standard vehicles monorail is not very useful 00:48:53 <Peter1986> cause they were built for TTDP 00:49:08 <Peter1986> and there electric rail replaced monorail 00:49:17 <Gonozal_VIII> but as soon as i load the serbian rail set, monorail (narrow gauge) is greyed out 00:50:13 <Peter1986> what if Wile E. Coyote and the other devs of Serbian vehicles, made some bug? 00:50:17 <Peter1986> or so... 00:50:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i can still build and use it if the build menu was open during grf loading... 00:51:09 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 00:53:32 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, i can't build... 00:53:55 <Gonozal_VIII> always the can't build bla here message 00:54:05 <Peter1986> :S 00:54:40 <Gonozal_VIII> but they run on maglev now 00:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Peter1986> we shoulda need trolley road too xD <- that is very unlikely to happen 00:55:33 <Eddi|zuHause3> the current system is laid out to 3 road types, the 3rd is preparation for highways, afaik 00:56:18 <Gonozal_VIII> what exactly is a trolley road? 00:57:11 <Gonozal_VIII> aaah that's called trolley 00:58:24 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6D46.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 01:03:15 <Peter1986> trolley is electrical bus 01:03:21 <Peter1986> needs overhead wire 01:03:26 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i googled that :-) 01:03:37 <Peter1986> nice :) 01:03:39 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't know the word 01:03:52 <Peter1986> 'google is your friend' as some say :D 01:04:09 <Peter1986> German language call it Obus, yes? 01:04:19 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 01:04:23 <Peter1986> Ikarus Hungarian bus had that... 01:04:30 <Gonozal_VIII> short for Oberleitungsbus :-) 01:04:47 <Peter1986> Ikarus 280.93 i think was running in DDR in the 1980s 01:05:06 <Gonozal_VIII> we have some running here in my city 01:05:14 <Peter1986> an of course Ikarus was world famous :) 01:05:29 <Gonozal_VIII> because he flew too high 01:05:44 <Peter1986> that is Ikaros 01:05:54 <Peter1986> Ikarus is a bus factory in Hungary 01:07:19 <Peter1986> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=26985&hilit=Ikarus 01:07:29 <Peter1986> i made this topic for that, long ago... 01:10:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> -os and -us are pretty exchangeable meanwhile... -os is usually the original greek extension, but especially for words that ran through latin, it often changes to -us 01:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause3> and you can be 99% that the name from the hungarian busses was derived from the flying guy 01:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> +certain 01:12:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> we had lots of ikarus busses by 1990, but i have not seen any in the last years 01:12:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> they all seem to have been replaced 01:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> and yes, the 'O' in "O-Bus" is short for "Oberleitung" (=catenary) 01:15:07 <Sacro> Oberleitung! 01:22:38 <Peter1986> hehehe 01:22:40 <Peter1986> nice 01:23:00 <Peter1986> yes, but written Ikarus is referring to the bus company 01:23:16 <Peter1986> referring to flying man of Greek legend is written Ikaros 01:23:21 <Peter1986> checkwikipedia :) 01:23:36 <Sacro> Icarus? 01:23:56 <Gonozal_VIII> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus 01:23:58 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 01:29:27 <Peter1986> lol 01:29:44 <Peter1986> English and Hungarian wikipedia have under Ikarus the bus :) 01:30:14 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:14 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77AAD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the german wikipedia, Ikaros redirects to Ikarus, the bus is under http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikarus_(Automobil) 01:33:35 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:51 <Peter1986> lol :) 01:34:04 <Peter1986> do you know what means ladyboy? 01:34:22 *** Grey [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-202.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> should i? 01:34:39 <Peter1986> my friend translated the article at wikipedi to Hungarian from English :D 01:34:52 <Peter1986> we had it earlier than Dutch, German, Russian :D 01:35:02 <Peter1986> then read it 01:36:17 <Peter1986> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey 01:36:20 <Peter1986> English 01:36:28 <Peter1986> there is link to German too 01:37:38 <Gonozal_VIII> [02:34:22] Eddi|zuHause2: should i? <-- no 01:37:42 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B779DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:37:53 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 01:38:47 <Peter1986> what did you figured from reading it? :) 01:40:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> i really shouldn't :p 01:41:41 <Peter1986> lol 01:42:12 <Peter1986> anyway that ladyboys like white guys 01:42:17 <Peter1986> especially tall ones 01:42:30 <Peter1986> Germans and English and other Europeans... 01:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> i suggest you to not go on with this thought... 01:42:49 <Peter1986> i saw documentary film of Thailand on TV 01:42:58 <Peter1986> and they mentioned ladyboys too 01:43:26 <Peter1986> ok it isn't too important 01:43:30 <Peter1986> change topic 01:43:45 <Peter1986> like... i have to go soon it's almost 3am 01:53:47 *** Peter1986 [~chatzilla@88.209.140.190] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 02:02:07 *** oh_ [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh_] 02:03:16 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:14 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:20:07 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-234-99.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:21:26 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C79F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'] 02:42:35 *** glx [~glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:58:11 *** Noldo_ [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Server closed connection] 02:58:13 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 02:59:32 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:00:46 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 03:07:10 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:11:39 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180067170.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:33:52 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:40:46 *** Flyinglord^ [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 03:40:57 *** Flyinglord^ [~qfh@static-ip-62-75-161-163.inaddr.intergenia.de] has joined #openttd 04:00:48 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F56CF1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:03:01 *** Vini [~gmvini@blk-7-174-245.eastlink.ca] has quit [] 04:07:04 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F541DD.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:21:40 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5aca7d32.bb.sky.com] has quit [Server closed connection] 04:21:52 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5aca7d32.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 04:22:53 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:25:37 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:39:44 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B043229.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 04:51:47 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Server closed connection] 04:52:15 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 04:59:51 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-99-161.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 05:27:03 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-99-161.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:38:10 <mikk36|work> morning, sleepers 05:41:02 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> sleep? where? 05:44:42 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 06:35:23 *** Hendikins|Work-BNE [~wolfox@ppp121-44-1-135.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:46:58 *** Hendikins|Work-BNE [~wolfox@ppp121-44-31-223.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 06:58:27 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-044-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 07:00:44 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:07:51 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 07:11:13 *** Soup [HydraIRC@3-128-58-66.gci.net] has joined #openttd 07:11:39 <Soup> anyone has the beta 07:12:06 <Soup> i do 07:13:40 <Soup> ill slap me 07:14:02 <Soup> for a dumb question 07:14:05 * Soup slaps Soup upside da head with a hairy goldfish 07:15:26 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:16:16 *** Peter1986 [~chatzilla@88.209.140.190] has joined #openttd 07:16:21 <Peter1986> hi 07:17:12 <mikk36|work> Eddi|zuHause2, there 07:17:50 <Soup> there 07:18:47 <Peter1986> hi 07:19:02 <mikk36|work> hi, Peter1986 07:19:41 <Soup> dumb linux root 07:20:08 <Soup> i just got linux last week 07:20:14 <mikk36|work> lol 07:20:43 <Soup> hope i can compile openttd 07:25:51 <Peter1986> is anyone here? 07:26:23 <Peter1986> what does it mean 'escessive lameness'? 07:26:39 <Peter1986> i saw it somewhere... 07:28:21 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 07:30:02 <Peter1986> hi 07:30:14 <Peter1986> so what does that 'excessive lameness' mean? 07:30:26 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai] 07:36:07 *** Soup [HydraIRC@3-128-58-66.gci.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:40:19 <Rubidium> Peter1986: that the person is too lame to get a dictionary to find the meaning of the words "excessive" and "lameness" 07:40:59 <Peter1986> i thought it is some 'phraze' at OTTD... 07:41:15 <Peter1986> like it means when they chat with signs etc. 07:41:21 <Peter1986> xD 07:42:27 <Rubidium> oh, it's something some users say? Then it's better to place a sign there and ask what it means! ;) 07:49:00 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-61-55.w90-24.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:51:43 <Peter1986> no, i was thinking maybe it has a meaning ingame what us not its regular meaning... 07:52:05 <Peter1986> maybe some OTTD slangs like rotten banana etc. xD 07:52:41 <Rubidium> I've never seen it, but that might be due to the fact that I virtually never play MP. 07:53:20 <Peter1986> :) 07:53:22 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-044-054.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:53:40 <Peter1986> but i guess devs don't have much time to play... 07:55:43 <Rubidium> s/play/do anything OTTD related/ 08:00:44 *** joosa [~joosa@heh.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:45 *** joosa` [~joosa@heh.fi] has joined #openttd 08:01:14 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 08:01:53 <dihedral> morning 08:02:07 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-026-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:07:38 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:14:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 08:25:18 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB7B88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:38:24 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:47:54 *** Peter1986 [~chatzilla@88.209.140.190] has left #openttd [] 08:49:29 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-026-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81622.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:05:17 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81A25.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:05:20 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 09:16:35 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:41:23 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-53-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:42:31 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-53-126.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [] 09:44:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:52:28 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:49 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:33 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 09:58:56 <SmatZ> hello world 09:59:11 <dihedral> yay - SmatZ wrote is first irc script :-D 09:59:34 <dihedral> !ping 10:00:03 <SmatZ> pong 10:00:05 <SmatZ> :-D 10:00:08 <dihedral> :-P 10:04:45 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has joined #openttd 10:21:09 *** Tino|Home [~Tino@i59F56CF1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 10:46:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 10:57:09 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has joined #openttd 11:02:52 <Gekz> oooh~ 11:02:58 <Gekz> 0.6.0-beta1! 11:03:03 <Gekz> which version of svn is it 11:03:04 <Gekz> lol 11:07:05 <Brianetta> lol? 11:15:44 *** dev|ant [~bleh@ppp59-167-131-47.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 11:17:55 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:59 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-026-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:19 <blathijs> Gekz: /tags/0.6.0-beta1 I'd expect :-) 11:26:59 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [] 11:28:15 <dihedral> lol 11:28:24 <dihedral> blathijs: i was thinking the same thing, but did not want to say it :-P 11:34:03 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1E87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:07 <Chris82> hi guys :) 11:34:24 <Chris82> I can't compile current trunk (clean) with MSVC anymore, it just hangs on determining version number 11:35:21 <blathijs> ey Chris82 11:35:27 <blathijs> Chris82: What version? 11:35:48 <Chris82> I was using r11355 before and now updated to latest trunk (r11485) 11:35:58 <blathijs> 11355 worked? 11:36:01 <Chris82> yes 11:36:06 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B04252A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:36:18 <blathijs> Chris82: Could you perhaps try to find the breaking revision (by bisecting, for example?) 11:36:22 <Chris82> I don't know where exactly the problem started, because I haven't done anything with OpenTTD for a while (thus the lack of ChrisIN updates) 11:36:38 <Chris82> yeah I can partially revert using TortoiseSVN 11:36:38 <blathijs> Chris82: Perhaps look through the log to see if anything changed in the svn revision detection 11:36:56 <Chris82> ok I try to find where the problem started 11:36:57 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-019-249.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:37:05 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@dsl-087-195-031-183.solcon.nl] has joined #openttd 11:38:59 <blathijs> Chris82: Thanks! 11:40:28 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-019-098.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 11:42:09 <dihedral> hey Chris82 11:42:16 <dihedral> long time no see (online) 11:44:29 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B61A9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:45:09 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@dsl-087-195-031-183.solcon.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:12 <Chris82> hi :) yeah busy with uni stuff 11:45:33 <Chris82> I just wanted to do a ChrisIN sync otherwise I will miss too much stuff and not be able anymore to sync it 11:45:43 <Chris82> I already missed a lot ;) 11:46:10 <Chris82> r11450 works fine, so only 35 builds left to check 11:47:10 <LeviathNL> first check number 16 :) 11:47:50 <dihedral> you mean r16 :-D 11:47:56 <dihedral> that would be funny 11:48:04 <dihedral> retro ottd gaming :-D 11:48:59 <Chris82> blathijs: The git detection from r11470 is causing it 11:49:33 <Chris82> r11469 builds fine, newer builds hang on version detection in MSVC 2005 and 2008 11:51:11 <Chris82> I wonder why no one noticed this yet... do so few people use MSVC ;) or are they just too lazy to look up problems :D 11:51:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7EEA0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:38 <dihedral> i use mac and linux 11:51:39 <dihedral> :-) 11:51:48 <dihedral> and no - i dont use xcode for that either 11:54:28 <Rubidium> Chris82: probably something special to your setup 11:55:17 <Chris82> well at least of MSVC 2008 I have a default install 11:55:46 <Chris82> but if you tell me what "git detection" is I can look at the properties 11:56:05 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@dsl-087-195-031-183.solcon.nl] has joined #openttd 11:56:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CA09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:03 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-207.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 12:07:26 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:13:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:14:16 <Rubidium> it's detecting whether you have some kind of versioning system (like svn, but then different) 12:15:33 <Rubidium> it's probably hanging in the following line: 12:15:35 <Rubidium> Do While oExec.Status = 0 And Err.Number = 0 12:15:53 <Rubidium> but I've got no MSVC or even Windows to test it 12:16:08 <BigBB> MSVC 2008 works fine for me, it must be a problem in his setup 12:16:16 <Rubidium> and no idea what it does when it does not have git 12:16:28 <Rubidium> hmm... I think I have a reason why it doesn't work 12:16:38 <Rubidium> Chris82: are you maybe NOT using a SVN checkout? 12:18:07 *** Hendikins|Work-BNE [~wolfox@ppp121-44-31-223.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:21:14 <Chris82> I am using a SVN checkout created with TortoiseSVN 12:21:29 <Chris82> and I have a default install of MSVC 2008 with no environment settings changed 12:21:39 <Chris82> the only thing I changed was that line numbers are being displayed 12:23:50 <Rubidium> in case of TortoiseSVN it should've detected SVN and bailed out 12:24:07 <Rubidium> but, can you confirm it is the line I mentioned? 12:25:07 <Rubidium> (just remove that loop) 12:25:17 <Chris82> let met try 12:25:22 <Chris82> me* 12:27:26 <Chris82> nope still hangs after removing the loop 12:28:11 *** Hendikins|Work-BNE [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 12:28:36 <Rubidium> could you add some alerts (or whatever they're called) in strategic places to see where it stops working? 12:29:10 <Chris82> you mean breakpoints? 12:29:37 <Chris82> the problem is that I don't get a build log when it hangs, I only get one when building fails 12:29:39 <Rubidium> don't think those work, but you might try 12:30:03 <Chris82> no you're right they won't help here 12:31:33 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 12:32:11 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:37 *** Hendikins|Work-BNE is now known as Hendikins 12:34:07 <BigBB> look if you have an other program as standard program for *.vbs files. This can make trouble with VC and the revision stuff 12:37:33 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 12:38:33 <Chris82> Microsoft (R) Windows Based Script Host is the default program and always was 12:39:25 <Chris82> I just tried it on XP to verify it's not Vista, but the same happens there (also default install of MSVC) 12:40:13 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 12:41:13 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 12:41:14 *** oh is now known as oh_ 12:41:50 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:41:55 <Chris82> where is $(InputDir) for "$(InputDir)/determineversion.vbs" defined? 12:42:07 <Chris82> or does it mean the root of the project? 12:48:49 <Rubidium> Chris82: somewhere deep inside MSVC magic 12:48:52 <Chris82> the tsvn_tmp file when checking for TortoiseSVN is not created 12:49:05 <Chris82> but this line sTortoise = WshShell.RegRead("HKLM\SOFTWARE\TortoiseSVN\Directory") 12:49:15 <Rubidium> but IIRC it means the location where the solution files are (or something like that) 12:49:24 <Chris82> where it checks for the TortoiseSVN directory references an existing registry key and it has the correct directory in there 12:50:03 <Chris82> so something with TortoiseSVN detection is not working and thus it thinks there is no SVN 12:52:51 <Rubidium> but that doesn't make it 'hang' 12:53:07 <Rubidium> as that is not changed and it did not 'hang' before 12:53:14 <Rubidium> so that is not an issue at the moment 12:53:40 *** oh_ is now known as you2willhavetocopyphastediz8 12:54:12 <Chris82> well I will just try reverting the changes part by part and see where it starts hanging 12:54:13 <Rubidium> oh_ really? it's simply y<TAB> 12:54:24 <Chris82> huh? 12:54:52 <Rubidium> Chris82: someone changed his name into 'you2willhavetocopyphastediz8' 12:56:06 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:56:09 *** you2willhavetocopyphastediz8 is now known as oh_ 12:56:45 <oh_> Rubidium: lies 12:57:06 *** dev|ant [~bleh@ppp59-167-131-47.lns3.mel6.internode.on.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:18 <oh_> Rubidium: tab completion is illegal i nine of ten countries 12:57:18 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 12:57:25 <oh_> in 12:57:42 <dihedral> ? 12:57:51 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 12:57:57 <Rubidium> oh_: lieing is illegal in ten of ten countries! 12:58:02 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:58:12 <dihedral> nice one Rubidium 12:58:15 *** exe_ is now known as exe 12:58:22 <oh_> Rubidium: question is; how will you prove I lied? 12:58:40 <dihedral> he does not have to 12:59:16 <Rubidium> Africa > 30 countries, the world has < 300 countries, African countries have no laws so everything is legal -> you lied 12:59:19 <dihedral> a statement from a trusted person is worth more on irc than a statement from some 'new guy' :-P 12:59:20 <oh_> we all know reality is a subjective thing, in turn making truth the same 13:00:04 <oh_> (can you tell it's been a loong time since I last dabbled in philosophy?) 13:00:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 13:00:39 <dihedral> LOL 13:00:41 <Rubidium> and one of a operator even more ;) 13:00:52 <dihedral> i spy with my little eye 13:01:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v Rubidium] by Rubidium 13:01:02 *** mode/#openttd [-o Rubidium] by Rubidium 13:01:12 <Rubidium> see, I've been given a + 13:01:17 <dihedral> LOL 13:01:25 <hylje> you are clearly superior 13:01:29 <Wezz6400> all I see is a yellow icon :P 13:01:41 <Chris82> oh_: actually there is only one truth and people misuse this word to explain their actions 13:01:43 <Rubidium> Wezz6400: use a proper IRC client 13:02:01 <dihedral> lol 13:02:04 <Rubidium> Chris82: paradox 13:02:06 <Wezz6400> Rubidium I do actually 13:02:13 <oh_> dealing in absolutes is bad 13:02:22 <Wezz6400> I just can't be bothered to change the icons back 13:02:31 <dihedral> :-P 13:02:35 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 13:02:42 <Rubidium> Wezz6400: can I keep it running and connect to it via ssh? 13:02:45 <oh_> I get some silhouette with a blue background :I 13:02:54 <Wezz6400> no 13:03:00 <Wezz6400> that I have my bouncer for :P 13:03:01 <Rubidium> then it's not a proper IRC client ;) 13:03:17 <Rubidium> bouncers are pretty useless 13:03:24 <Rubidium> usually at least 13:03:48 <Wezz6400> well I'm running it on my router box at home 13:03:48 <Chris82> Well what I wanted to say was there is nothing like true or wrong, there is only right or false and that is truly subjective (no need to understand what I just said lol) 13:04:00 <Chris82> -was 13:04:00 <Rubidium> as when people are not connected to the bouncer and you highlight them once and start talking, the other person has no idea what I said after the first highlighted sentence. 13:04:08 <Wezz6400> I find it more convenient to keep online whenever I reboot my pc 13:04:25 <Rubidium> and there is no automatic way to tell me that it wasn't received 13:04:36 <Rubidium> Wezz6400: for that you don't need a bouncer 13:04:48 <oh_> if (statement == right) { kthx; } ? 13:05:07 <Wezz6400> Rubidium I know, irrsi on it will do the same thing, however I don't like irssi 13:05:26 <Rubidium> why not? 13:05:36 <Rubidium> take bitchy ;) 13:05:42 <Rubidium> s/y/x/ 13:05:54 <Rubidium> or... even better, write your own 13:05:55 <Wezz6400> I find the controls and interface a bit too basic 13:06:17 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:20 <Wezz6400> I mean sure it's a nice programme and all, however I just prefer using something with a graphical interface such as xchat 13:07:54 <dihedral> you just like using your mouse 13:09:00 <Rubidium> ofcourse Wezz6400 also doesn't use those'archic' controls in Windows to swap applications, he better uses the graphical interface for that 13:09:20 <Rubidium> I bet he even uses the on-screen keyboard as that is so much nicer than a dull keyboard ;) 13:09:38 <Wezz6400> yeah yeah yeah 13:10:37 <dihedral> :-P 13:10:44 <dihedral> Rubidium: with a touch screen :-D 13:10:51 <Wezz6400> I like using the commmand line, however for a client machine which my home pc is I just prefer a graphical interface instead of a command line interface, I find it looks a bit better and is a bit easier to use; nothing wrong with irssi it's just my personal preference 13:11:30 <hylje> irssi ftw! 13:11:30 <dihedral> if it's linux press print screen (and hold) and type s u b :-D 13:11:47 <dihedral> and dont trust me on that one 13:11:59 * dihedral is at least kind enough to mention it 13:12:04 <Wezz6400> I never trust anything giving me some key combination over the internet 13:12:12 <Wezz6400> anyone* 13:12:14 <dihedral> :-P 13:12:49 <Wezz6400> Partly because I like to abuse other people's trust like that too :+ 13:12:49 <dihedral> ok - echo "foo" /dev/kmem :-D 13:13:02 <dihedral> sorry 13:13:07 <dihedral> echo "foo" > /dev/kmem 13:13:09 <dihedral> :-P 13:13:33 <Wezz6400> kmem wouldn't have to do with the kernel or something now would it ;) 13:14:07 * dihedral humms 13:24:16 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:19 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:31:33 *** Chris82 [~Chris82@p579E1E87.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 13:34:29 *** oh_ is now known as oh_a 13:37:47 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 13:44:14 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: Any technology, no matter how primitive, is magic to those who don't understand it] 13:44:23 *** Hendikins [~wolfox@CPE-124-189-3-149.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:45:32 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:46:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r11486 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1457]: industry count was wrong in smallmap 13:50:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11487 /trunk/src/player_gui.cpp: -Fix (r11435): move the list of vehicles a bit higher in the player GUI 13:52:29 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:53:01 <dihedral> nice one 13:56:30 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 14:06:30 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 14:32:23 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:29 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-202.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:35:47 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:36:50 *** oh_a [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh_a] 14:44:11 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 14:53:12 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:51 *** Team-iN [Wtf@e122017.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:55 <Team-iN> hey there 14:54:04 <Team-iN> Anyone here? 14:54:22 <Team-iN> I tried to install openttd from the svn 14:54:26 <Team-iN> on my debian 14:54:42 <Team-iN> Now it says I'm missing chars.grf and openttdw.grf 14:54:51 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C79F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:14 <Team-iN> hey 14:56:08 <fjb> Moin 14:56:34 <Team-iN> Now it says I'm missing chars.grf and openttdw.grf 14:56:48 <Team-iN> I installed openttd on my linux box from svn and im missing those :S 14:56:52 <Team-iN> But i dont have those files 14:57:08 <dihedral> you are repeating yourself :-P 14:57:13 <Team-iN> Lol i know 14:57:19 <Team-iN> but maybe he knows something :P 14:57:28 *** Team-iN is now known as Jeffroiscool 14:58:22 <frosch123> The files are in /trunk/bin/data. 14:58:38 <Jeffroiscool> :S 14:58:55 <Rubidium> Jeffroiscool: how did you 'install' it? 14:59:09 <Jeffroiscool> I did a checkout 14:59:17 <Jeffroiscool> then made a data folder in the reale 14:59:19 <Jeffroiscool> release 14:59:25 <Jeffroiscool> then put in the required files 14:59:34 <Jeffroiscool> also ./configure and make 14:59:48 <Rubidium> Jeffroiscool: if you had placed them in bin/data and had run bin/openttd you would've had no problem. 15:00:00 <Jeffroiscool> hmm 15:00:04 <Jeffroiscool> illl copy data from bin 15:00:11 <Jeffroiscool> also 15:00:18 <Jeffroiscool> I want to run it as a server 15:00:22 <Jeffroiscool> is that possible? 15:00:41 <Rubidium> objs/* is not meant to be used as place from where you start the binary. 15:00:46 <Rubidium> yes that is possible 15:00:54 <Jeffroiscool> I copied the /objs 15:01:04 <Jeffroiscool> :O 15:01:06 <Jeffroiscool> its in bin 15:01:06 <Jeffroiscool> xD 15:01:12 <dihedral> you copied /objs ? 15:01:16 <Jeffroiscool> yeah i did 15:01:22 <Jeffroiscool> because it said it was there 15:01:30 <Rubidium> what said that? 15:01:38 <Jeffroiscool> One of the programs 15:01:41 <Jeffroiscool> forgot which one 15:02:18 <Jeffroiscool> X connection to localhost:12.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). 15:02:20 <Jeffroiscool> :/ 15:02:28 <Jeffroiscool> Is there a server command line? 15:02:44 <dihedral> wiki.openttd.org 15:02:46 <dihedral> :-) 15:02:54 <Rubidium> Jeffroiscool: what have you tried yourself to answer that question? 15:03:14 <Jeffroiscool> What question 15:03:21 <Jeffroiscool> so many questions here now :P 15:03:25 <dihedral> any of them 15:03:26 <Rubidium> i.e. have you tried '--help'? 15:03:42 <dihedral> i feel like i could predict that answer 15:03:50 <Rubidium> something that any unix binary should support 15:04:00 <Jeffroiscool> I'll try 15:04:24 <Jeffroiscool> Ah i see 15:04:28 <Jeffroiscool> whats the standard port? 15:05:00 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5EE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:05:28 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 15:05:33 *** exe_ [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has left #openttd [] 15:05:35 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 15:05:36 <Jeffroiscool> I want to have this server running dedicated 15:05:39 <Jeffroiscool> I see how 15:05:48 <Jeffroiscool> But i want it to be in the list and use the proper port 15:05:52 <dihedral> Jeffroiscool: follow this link: http://wiki.openttd.org 15:05:58 <Jeffroiscool> I did 15:06:06 <Jeffroiscool> doesnt have much info on server 15:06:09 <dihedral> i can answer all questions with that link 15:06:11 <Jeffroiscool> at least not on the main page 15:06:24 <dihedral> there is 1. a search 2. a manual 15:06:37 <dihedral> do some homework 15:06:46 <Jeffroiscool> The manual is for people who dont know how to play -,- 15:07:07 <Gonozal_VIII> cfg 15:07:58 <Gonozal_VIII> server_port server_advertise in [network] 15:08:07 <Jeffroiscool> k 15:08:25 <Jeffroiscool> umm 15:08:29 <Jeffroiscool> sorry wheres the cfg xD 15:08:42 <Gonozal_VIII> game dir^^ 15:08:52 <Jeffroiscool> I dont see it 15:08:57 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Dedicated_server 15:08:58 <Jeffroiscool> I just see the openttd binari 15:09:06 <Jeffroiscool> Yeah just found it dihedral 15:09:07 <Rubidium> ~/.openttd/ 15:09:14 <Jeffroiscool> k 15:09:32 <Jeffroiscool> I need to run it once to get it right? 15:09:49 <dihedral> you tried before asking? :-P 15:09:54 <Jeffroiscool> Yes 15:09:58 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 15:10:01 <Jeffroiscool> -,- 15:10:11 <Rubidium> Jeffroiscool: no, you don't need to run it to get the cfg 15:10:12 <Jeffroiscool> I'm doing this with putty :P 15:10:21 <dihedral> ls ~/.openttd 15:10:34 <Jeffroiscool> Nope 15:10:40 <Jeffroiscool> only save and scenario 15:10:42 <Rubidium> touch ~/.openttd/openttd.cfg works too 15:10:43 <dihedral> then check the bin dir 15:10:50 <dihedral> LOL 15:10:54 <Jeffroiscool> only the bin and dir is there 15:11:30 <Jeffroiscool> cannot touch `/home/jeffro/openttd/openttd.cfg': Toegang geweigerd 15:11:31 <Jeffroiscool> lol 15:11:45 <Jeffroiscool> the config is not there 15:12:10 <dihedral> and what do you do if you dont have permission? 15:12:23 <Jeffroiscool> I havre 15:12:25 <Gonozal_VIII> did you compile the game?^^ 15:12:35 <Jeffroiscool> se i have the config now 15:12:37 <Jeffroiscool> As I said 15:12:41 <dihedral> and i see no . infront of openttd 15:12:43 <Jeffroiscool> I need to run the binary at least once 15:12:52 <dihedral> /home/jeffro/.openttd/openttd.cfg 15:12:52 <Jeffroiscool> Or else it wont generate the cfg 15:12:58 <Jeffroiscool> Yes I know dihedral 15:13:06 <dihedral> and what does touch do? 15:13:23 <Jeffroiscool> But as I said it didn't generate until I made a dedicated server once 15:13:48 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-208-49.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 15:13:54 <dihedral> well then you have it now 15:13:59 <dihedral> :-P 15:14:04 <Jeffroiscool> Hmm 15:14:07 <Jeffroiscool> Where is it on windows 15:14:12 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl4-208-49.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 15:14:13 <Jeffroiscool> I have some good settings on my windows 15:14:13 <Jeffroiscool> :P 15:14:47 <dihedral> 'see through' 'open' and 'close':-P 15:14:57 <dihedral> windows are useless without :-P 15:15:20 <Jeffroiscool> lol 15:15:28 <Jeffroiscool> I know windows suck xD 15:15:38 <Jeffroiscool> But I have had a server on there 15:15:40 <Jeffroiscool> via the options 15:16:35 <Jeffroiscool> btw 15:16:44 <Jeffroiscool> what about compatible 15:16:49 <Jeffroiscool> I use svn 15:16:55 <dihedral> and? 15:16:59 <Jeffroiscool> but can everyone connect to my server? 15:17:05 <Jeffroiscool> Do they need the svn too? 15:17:19 <dihedral> i give up 15:17:26 <dihedral> Rubidium: i dont understand you 15:17:45 <Jeffroiscool> Jesus your acting like I'm a n00b -,- 15:17:50 <Gonozal_VIII> the game does all the connection stuff :-) 15:17:57 <Jeffroiscool> I had a server before 15:17:58 <Jeffroiscool> windows 15:18:03 <Jeffroiscool> I had 0.5.2 15:18:10 <Jeffroiscool> ppl with 0.5.3 couldnt connect 15:18:14 <Jeffroiscool> as they need same version 15:18:17 <dihedral> Jeffroiscool: you may call me dihedral :-) 15:18:28 <Jeffroiscool> thats why I am asking if it will cause trouble 15:18:28 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 15:18:41 <Jeffroiscool> as the svn is not 0.5.3 -,- 15:18:43 <dihedral> Jeffroiscool: you _always_ need the same version number 15:18:59 <dihedral> have you tried funning ./configure --help 15:19:01 <Jeffroiscool> So the others will need to use svn on their windows box to play ? 15:19:17 <Gonozal_VIII> ... same game version 15:19:52 <Jeffroiscool> -,- 15:20:03 <Jeffroiscool> I just want to know what the others need now 15:20:13 <dihedral> and you will feel very lonely if you have the latest revision and ./configure --recision=0.5.3 15:20:14 <Gonozal_VIII> you're thinking much too complicated 15:20:17 <Jeffroiscool> I downloaded svn on my server, standard options 15:20:17 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:37 <Jeffroiscool> k 15:21:00 <dihedral> version checking is done by that string 15:21:03 <Jeffroiscool> WARNING: we do not advise you to use this setting 15:21:03 <Jeffroiscool> WARNING: in most cases it is not safe for network use 15:21:03 <Jeffroiscool> WARNING: USE WITH CAUTION! 15:21:07 <Jeffroiscool> lol 15:21:15 <dihedral> yes - we all know those lines 15:21:20 <dihedral> what's wrong with them 15:21:21 <Jeffroiscool> ok 15:21:29 <Jeffroiscool> I need to remake it now right 15:21:31 <Jeffroiscool> xD 15:21:33 <Jeffroiscool> long process 15:21:37 <dihedral> no it's not 15:22:00 <dihedral> building xorg is a longish process :-D 15:22:15 <Jeffroiscool> :D 15:22:20 <Jeffroiscool> Ok 15:22:30 <Jeffroiscool> but still where the hell is the config.cfg on my windows -,- 15:22:50 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd.cfg 15:22:59 <Jeffroiscool> yeah that :P 15:23:33 <dihedral> hit win+f 15:23:37 <dihedral> :-D 15:23:41 <Jeffroiscool> thats SLOW 15:23:46 <dihedral> look in MyDocuments/OpenTTD 15:23:47 <Gonozal_VIII> look in "my documents" if there is an openttd folder 15:23:49 <Jeffroiscool> I have like 4 terabyto of files :P 15:24:15 <Jeffroiscool> nope no openttd folder 15:24:26 <dihedral> then check the folder where the binary is in 15:24:45 <dihedral> if you ran servers before you should at least know where you keep your config 15:25:08 *** fjb is now known as fjbAWAY 15:25:32 <Jeffroiscool> No i did ingame :P 15:25:36 <Jeffroiscool> But I found it 15:25:44 <Jeffroiscool> Woah 15:25:45 * dihedral claps his hands 15:25:52 <Jeffroiscool> can i put more max_companies 15:26:11 <Jeffroiscool> more then 8 15:26:22 <dihedral> did you search the wiki for that? 15:26:27 <dihedral> or perhaps the tt-forums? 15:27:35 <Jeffroiscool> No i didnt searchb 15:28:13 <Jeffroiscool> p to 10 players can participate in a multiplayer game. You can only open up 8 companies though 15:28:22 <Jeffroiscool> Is it possible to make that more in the config 15:28:58 <dihedral> READ 15:33:25 *** gono_ping_timeout [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 15:33:31 <Jeffroiscool> Can someone check if my server is up? 15:33:37 <Jeffroiscool> I can't I'm at school :) 15:33:43 <Jeffroiscool> Jeffro's server 15:33:54 <dihedral> can you visit servers.openttd.org? 15:34:01 <Jeffroiscool> k ill try 15:34:28 <Jeffroiscool> don't see it 15:34:31 <Jeffroiscool> but it is running 15:34:32 <dihedral> well then 15:34:45 <dihedral> it's just not 'advertised' 15:35:11 <Jeffroiscool> [network] 15:35:13 <Jeffroiscool> max_join_time = 500 15:35:15 <Jeffroiscool> pause_on_join = true 15:35:17 <Jeffroiscool> server_bind_ip = 0.0.0.0 15:35:19 <Jeffroiscool> server_port = 3979 15:35:21 <Jeffroiscool> server_advertise = true 15:35:29 <Jeffroiscool> also forwarded port in router 15:35:32 <Jeffroiscool> should work 15:35:41 <gono_ping_timeout> i guess your school blocks ports 15:35:42 <Rubidium> Jeffroiscool: what port did you forward? 15:36:46 <Jeffroiscool> 3979 15:37:00 <dihedral> tcp or udp? 15:37:06 * dihedral likes the 'or' 15:37:12 <Jeffroiscool> botj 15:37:13 <Jeffroiscool> :) 15:37:17 <Jeffroiscool> its both standard 15:37:19 <Jeffroiscool> I use dd-wrt 15:37:34 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:38:09 <Jeffroiscool> wtf 15:38:12 <Jeffroiscool> its offline now 15:38:16 *** michi_cc [f4460812e7@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Quit: michi_cc] 15:38:34 <Jeffroiscool> its quering now 15:38:42 <Jeffroiscool> [net] [udp] advertising to master server 15:38:59 <Jeffroiscool> YAY 15:39:01 <Jeffroiscool> its in the list 15:39:05 <Jeffroiscool> Thank you for your help guys 15:39:07 * dihedral claps his hands 15:39:11 <Jeffroiscool> :)\ 15:39:20 <Jeffroiscool> I made it a sh now 15:39:30 <dihedral> with screen? 15:39:34 <Jeffroiscool> I need to have a website where i can execute sh's :P 15:39:46 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:59 *** michi_cc [84835e27b0@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 15:41:00 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 15:41:19 <Jeffroiscool> omg 15:41:26 <Jeffroiscool> I need one option gujys 15:41:28 <Jeffroiscool> just one :( 15:41:35 <Jeffroiscool> the map is artic now 15:41:41 <Jeffroiscool> Can I change it to the default? 15:41:42 <dihedral> did you read the wiki 15:41:48 <Jeffroiscool> YES I RAD IT DAMNIT XD 15:41:57 <dihedral> stop shouting at me 15:42:10 <Jeffroiscool> -,-" 15:42:16 <dihedral> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Openttd.cfg 15:42:19 *** gono_ping_timeout is now known as Gonozal_VIII 15:42:36 <Rubidium> /ignore Jeffroiscool 15:42:41 <Jeffroiscool> :( 15:42:44 <Jeffroiscool> Why ignore me 15:44:33 <dihedral> because you are acting like a complete noob who is seemingly unable to read and/or search a wiki page that sofar has been referenced to him 3 times 15:45:17 <Jeffroiscool> No I'm stating I don't want to read the wiki for every little option I need you guys allready know 15:45:42 <dihedral> what on earth do you think the wiki is there for?? 15:46:19 <Jeffroiscool> For people who are too dumb to come on IRC 15:46:19 <Jeffroiscool> :) 15:46:55 <dihedral> Rubidium: you feel like op'ing yourself? 15:46:57 <dihedral> :-P 15:47:14 <Rubidium> dihedral: just ignore him. It's much quieter now ;) 15:47:21 <dihedral> LOL 15:47:56 <Jeffroiscool> Ok I read the wiki 15:48:03 <Jeffroiscool> it stated change landscape 15:48:09 <Jeffroiscool> I changed landscare 15:48:15 <Jeffroiscool> Its still artic 15:48:23 <Jeffroiscool> even after rebooting server 15:49:02 *** michi_cc [84835e27b0@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:24 <Gonozal_VIII> [gameopt] landscape = temperate 15:50:36 <Belugas> Jeffroiscool, the idea of pointing you the wiki is to make it so you'll be able to find all the stuff that you need. Some of us are actually working real jobs. And may not be able to answer you. So, if you know where to look for answers, you will KNOW, ASSIMILATE the knowledge faster then just applying the response from somebody else 15:51:07 <Jeffroiscool> Yes I understand 15:51:20 <Belugas> like... give a fish to someone, he'll eat for a day. Show him fishing, he'll eat for the rest of his life :) 15:51:21 <Jeffroiscool> But not everything is founded easy on the wiki 15:51:28 <Rotonen> and most likely people will still just paste your questions relevant terms into the wiki search anyway 15:51:39 <Jeffroiscool> The wiki is now much more pointed to players 15:51:44 <Jeffroiscool> And not to server hosters 15:52:01 <Jeffroiscool> So you will have to search with more trouble. 15:52:20 <Jeffroiscool> If I know people are in this channel I can just ask how to do that becuase they learnt of experiance 15:52:35 <Jeffroiscool> and I know i just made 2/3 typos xD 15:52:45 <Gonozal_VIII> you can even launch the game, make the settings there and they are in the config 15:52:55 <Jeffroiscool> I know 15:52:58 <Jeffroiscool> One problem 15:53:11 <dihedral> one answer 15:53:15 <dihedral> wiki.openttd.org :-) 15:56:12 <Jeffroiscool> oops 15:56:15 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:56:19 <Jeffroiscool> I just got logged out by some classroom faggots 15:56:25 <Jeffroiscool> remote log off -,- 15:56:38 <Jeffroiscool> But I ment one problem 15:57:58 *** fjbAWAY is now known as fjb 15:58:05 <dihedral> moin 15:58:07 <dihedral> ha 15:58:13 <dihedral> beat you to it fjb 15:58:42 <fjb> I wasn't at the computer the last half hour. 16:00:06 <dihedral> aw - you've gone and popped my bobble 16:00:28 <fjb> What bobble? 16:00:48 <dihedral> that i had beat you to saying 'moin' 16:00:48 <dihedral> :-P 16:01:29 *** Diabolic1Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-224-139.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 16:02:05 <fjb> Hm, I said moin at 15:56 16:02:09 <fjb> :-) 16:02:35 <dihedral> :-( 16:02:47 <dihedral> hello Belugas by the way :-) 16:06:04 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-198-207.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:17 *** Diabolic1Angel is now known as Diabolic-Angel 16:06:45 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:20 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-202.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12:24 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host86-152-50-202.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:23 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 16:15:49 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:05 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 16:23:57 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.96] has joined #openttd 16:24:36 <De_Ghosty> hi guys 16:25:24 *** Tino|R152 [~tino@52N.UNI-MUENSTER.DE] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:25:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5EE6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 16:26:30 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm i can't edit the lng file without the game ignoring it then? 16:30:05 <BigBB> right 16:30:20 <BigBB> edit the *.txt file and compile 16:30:49 <Gonozal_VIII> ah ok... thx 16:32:14 <BigBB> but you need the new *.lng file and the new binary (e.g. for win the openttd.exe) to work 16:32:29 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:32:47 <Gonozal_VIII> it writes the checksum into the exe? why that? 16:34:04 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't make sense to write it into the file itself... but why is there even a checksum?... but ok... doesn't matter... thanks :-) 16:37:47 <dihedral> pink: 301, grey: 263, mauve:387 16:37:54 <dihedral> where can i get the rest of these values from 16:38:43 <dihedral> i found them by trial and error :-P 16:38:53 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:39:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:41:26 <Gonozal_VIII> is that some kind of weird rpg clone thing? 16:42:14 <Gonozal_VIII> :S 16:42:35 <BigBB> dihedral, for what, text colour? 16:42:52 <dihedral> game chat 16:43:08 <dihedral> http://pub.dihedral.de/openttd/wwottdgd/r11344_server_tlaks_mauve.v1.patch 16:43:34 <dihedral> this is useful when the server is wrapped by autopilot and is sitting in an irc channel 16:43:48 <dihedral> then one can differentiate between spectator chat and chat from irc 16:44:01 <Gonozal_VIII> aaah rgb not rpg^^ 16:44:06 <Gonozal_VIII> <-- stupid 16:44:09 * dihedral agrees 16:44:12 <dihedral> :-D 16:44:56 <Gonozal_VIII> i realised something was wrong after i wrote it but it took me a while to figure out what^^ 16:46:13 <dihedral> BigBB: you have a hint for me where i could find more values? 16:46:26 <dihedral> you will not want to know how i got hold of those :-P 16:46:57 <BigBB> I'm not sure, I have a look to see if I'm right 16:47:44 <dihedral> idealy i would like that color to be defineable in the patch settings 16:48:10 <dihedral> so one can change it 'on the fly' and will not have to compile it all again just for a different color :-P 16:48:14 <dihedral> as that is just nasty 16:49:56 <BigBB> dihedral, try the enum TextColour or the enum above it in gfx.h. I have atm. no time to look if it work... 16:50:54 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@dsl-087-195-031-183.solcon.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:53 <dihedral> thank you i'll have a look there 16:51:59 *** XeryusTC2 [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 16:52:07 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@141.117.176.96] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52:56 *** michi_cc [d48f0e2b58@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 16:52:58 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 16:53:35 *** michi_cc [d48f0e2b58@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [] 16:55:37 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:55:52 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 16:55:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 16:57:57 *** MarkSlap [~me@h64n1c1o1114.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: Screw you guy, I'm going home and smoke pot] 16:58:07 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@eng211-23.scs.ryerson.ca] has joined #openttd 16:58:15 <dihedral> BigBB: that looks good, i'll have a try later on this evening 16:58:54 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:06:36 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:41 <hylje> http://www.1chan.net/rail/src/1195618282428.jpg loco loco loco loco loco 17:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> loco is spanish for weird 17:08:57 <Gonozal_VIII> 7 engines? nice 17:10:24 <Gonozal_VIII> uni... back in 3 17:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> 3 minutes? 17:14:58 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 17:18:29 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:41 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:27:19 <Jeffroiscool> Does TTD has any log file for errors? 17:32:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, if you redirect console output into a file 17:36:17 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 17:36:24 *** thgergo 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[~wolf01@host21-12-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:51:26 <ln-> http://ircpics.com/p/20071006/975c8cf6277a6207467cbb78893f677d.jpg 19:54:21 <dihedral> LOL ln 19:55:37 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 19:55:58 *** nairan [~Maui_key@p5498F7C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:57:40 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@eng211-23.scs.ryerson.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:52 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-95-75.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 20:12:01 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5727.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:12:50 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:37 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:16:30 *** MaSch [~masch@p50919AA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:16:32 <MaSch> Hi 20:17:56 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:18:02 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:20 <MaSch> i tryed to compile openttd 0.6 (nightly) with ssh (my friend is a new user and don't know how to to that, so i try ^^).. now, by ./configure there is a warning: WARNING: no video driver found, building dedicated only .. anyone know how to solve this? 20:18:56 <MaSch> apt said that libsdl is already the newest version but configure says "checking SDL... not found" 20:19:09 <Prof_Frink> MaSch: Do you have libsdl-dev 20:19:33 <MaSch> okay.. dev . ^^ i dont think so.. lets wait 20:19:58 <MaSch> installing.. thanks a lot ^^ 20:20:03 <MaSch> i dont like ubuntu >.< 20:20:40 <Rotonen> well usually you don't want the compiletime stuff from the packages.. 20:20:47 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 20:21:09 <MaSch> on gentoo, everything is a little bit different ^^ 20:22:11 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 20:23:43 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 20:23:43 <Gonozal_VIII> !logs 20:24:10 <Sacro> is there not a deb already? 20:24:20 <Sacro> usually blathijs makes thenm 20:26:29 *** KaareMai [~MaXx@0x55530063.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 20:27:12 <Gonozal_VIII> 19:10:46 < Eddi|zuHause2> 3 minutes? <-- hours 20:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: well, you should clarify that... because if unspecified it always means minutes 20:28:41 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm wouldn't make sense to go to university for 3 minutes... but ok^^ 20:29:20 <fjb> Some people call that studying. :-) 20:30:37 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.226] has joined #openttd 20:31:39 <UnderBuilder> will be good a simcity-style game based on the GUI of OTTD 20:32:37 <Gonozal_VIII> will be or would be? 20:32:56 <UnderBuilder> would 20:33:04 <hylje> a simcity-like game that is compatible with ottd 20:33:06 <hylje> ;) 20:33:12 <KaareMai> I've thought alot about making a clone of The Settlers 1 based on openttd 20:33:24 <Belugas> wold be good a brand new game style based on a brand new gui 20:33:29 <KaareMai> Would be a nice starting point to grasp all the basics of such an implementation 20:33:50 <hylje> KaareMai: you might want to poke around with pygame 20:34:33 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you are unique, just like everyone else.] 20:35:04 <KaareMai> hylje, sounds interesting :) 20:35:23 <UnderBuilder> or why not create a series of free simulation games like sim*, theme* or tycoon* ones 20:35:50 <KaareMai> I've figured out 80% of the graphic file format, then theres the sound. But it all uses the same structure in the files so shouldn't be that hard. 20:35:57 <hylje> KaareMai: how experienced are you in programming? 20:37:26 <KaareMai> Well, i make software for micro controllers at work, some VB6 (lol), C(++) and some C# apps, but thats a far cry from understanding how to create a game :) 20:37:52 <KaareMai> but my primary software knowledge is assembly for very tiny microcontrollers 20:39:26 <hylje> sounds pretty good for a base 20:39:41 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5FC3A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:40:25 <UnderBuilder> who agrees me that there would be a serie of simulation games, like Maxis did with sim, bullfrog with theme and microprose with tycoon? 20:40:45 <KaareMai> Yeah, well the problem for me is not so much to understand C programming, but more the larger concepts of creating such a game as openttd. Where to begin? How to manage pathfinding and all that stuff 20:40:46 <hylje> UnderBuilder: small indie (open source) gaems? 20:41:11 <hylje> KaareMai: either start poking around about openttd and other projects 20:41:24 <hylje> KaareMai: or roll your own, i still recommend python with pygame 20:41:26 <UnderBuilder> for example... openttd + opencity should start the series 20:41:50 <hylje> ottdlib 20:43:17 <UnderBuilder> why not a more creative name like... * master (transport master, city master, park master, etc.) 20:43:42 <hylje> one should get onto the series first 20:43:52 <hylje> e.g. fork ottd and start hacking it 20:43:54 <UnderBuilder> you can choose the name of the series 20:44:17 <Belugas> there are already a few games about transport been built, or started to be built. why start another one? 20:45:15 <KaareMai> back 20:46:21 <UnderBuilder> better explained with an example, one step to introduce this is creating a GUI library for it 20:46:50 <hylje> ottdlib 20:47:22 <glx> UnderBuilder: it's already a pain to modify a window in ottd, and you want to use this in other games? 20:47:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1CA09.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:48:15 <SmatZ> theme hospital was nice, too 20:48:25 <valhallasw> simtower \o/ 20:48:50 <hylje> glx: well i dont think a better/improved gui for ottd would hurt either 20:48:53 <Sacro> lets combine the lot 20:48:57 <Sacro> hylje: winforms! 20:49:03 <hylje> it's no easy task either way 20:49:09 <hylje> Sacro: quiet you 20:49:16 <Sacro> using Windows.Forms; 20:49:21 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:56 <KaareMai> Nah, one of the sharms with openttd is the distinct TTD interface :) It must not go too far away from the original game in my opinion 20:50:32 <hylje> yeah well.. the backend being a pain or not won't change that 20:51:27 <UnderBuilder> I don't mean using OTTD's GUI, I mean using for example opencity's one 20:51:52 <UnderBuilder> the 0.0.5 version one is great 20:57:04 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 20:58:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-197.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:09:02 *** MaSch [~masch@p50919AA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:22:10 *** divo [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:16 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:24:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:26:34 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-026-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:28:00 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 21:33:06 <Wolf01> no, not again... forgot to click on random trees widget while dynamite was selected :( 21:33:27 <Wolf01> a piece of railway disappeared magically 21:34:03 <Bjarni> not magically... 21:34:05 <Bjarni> it blew up 21:34:17 * Bjarni arrests Wolf01 for railroad sabotage 21:34:22 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: LÀhdössÀ] 21:34:38 <KaareMai> lol wolf01 i know the feeling 21:35:01 <KaareMai> i did that today on a large trainstation, then the LA wouldn't allow me to build it again ):( 21:35:19 <Wolf01> but i have a patch! http://wolf01.game-host.org/OTTD_related/patches/terraform_gui_trees_fix.diff 21:36:04 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:22 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.226] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 21:37:28 <dihedral> Bjarni: 21:37:48 <dihedral> i cannot install os x 10.3.7 on the external drive... will not let me what ever i do 21:38:40 <Rexxars> install freebsd instead "ho ho ho" 21:39:03 * dihedral slaps Rexxars 21:39:05 <Gonozal_VIII> if it was about windows i would say boot with a startdisk that supports the external drive 21:39:15 <dihedral> and where exactly would that help trying to debug a compile issue in 10.3? 21:39:41 <Rexxars> well osx is built on bsd so ;) 21:39:59 <KaareMai> Nej, men kunne jo godt ha vÊret 21:40:03 <dihedral> yes great 21:40:06 <Bjarni> <Rexxars> install freebsd instead "ho ho ho" <--- this is for testing OTTD on 10.3.x because somebody else uses it. It's not like dihedral intent to use it as main OS ;) 21:40:14 <Rexxars> oh ok ;) 21:40:21 * Bjarni slaps KaareMai 21:40:25 <dihedral> i said that 21:40:27 <dihedral> ! 21:40:28 <dihedral> kinda 21:40:37 <KaareMai> sorry, should have been on msn 21:40:50 <Bjarni> KaareMai: some people in here wants the written language in here to be English 21:40:50 <Rexxars> yeah but bjarni explained it better :p 21:41:24 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5727.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 21:41:41 <Rexxars> its funny how easy danish is to read and how impossible it is to understand when you are talking the language 21:41:48 <Bjarni> dihedral: well... maybe the IDE<->USB bridge isn't bootable... you could test if it accepts a newer OS (not to install it, but to test if it accepts the drive) 21:42:25 <dihedral> well - i cannot 'boot' from it either way 21:42:36 <Bjarni> <Rexxars> its funny how easy danish is to read and how impossible it is to understand when you are talking the language <-- that really depends on who is talking 21:42:45 <dihedral> as i cannot even select it as 'boot device' for the next restart 21:43:12 <dihedral> dihedral> and where exactly would that help trying to debug a compile issue in 10.3? <--- what is there to be said better? 21:43:16 <Bjarni> you can't select it as a boot device unless it contains a bootable system 21:43:39 * dihedral digs up 10.4 install dvd 21:43:40 <Gonozal_VIII> in my bios i can 21:43:49 <dihedral> there is no bios 21:43:54 <dihedral> there is open firmware :-D 21:44:21 <Bjarni> it might not even be a bios/firmware issue 21:44:32 <dihedral> i dont think it is 21:44:43 <Bjarni> I can boot from one USB disk, but not another one even if I install the very same system on both 21:44:50 <Gonozal_VIII> but my old system didn't support usb boot 21:45:00 <Bjarni> this is due to how the IDE<->USB bridge is made 21:45:02 * dihedral restarts his powerbook 21:45:14 <Bjarni> funny enough it's the cheap one that's bootable 21:45:33 <KaareMai> Is it a known bug that trains sometimes doesnt follow the signal rules of presignals when arraving at a station that they don't have in their orders list? 21:45:53 <dihedral> use 2 way signals 21:46:31 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know how that mac stuff works but can't you start the installation while running another os? 21:47:03 <KaareMai> Well i mean if you build a two-track terminus and place two way pre-signal at the entrance and one incomming presignal at the arrival track, and one normal for the exit track, then sometimes the train doesnt stop at the first presignal even if its read, instead it drives in and blocks the exit for the other train 21:47:15 <KaareMai> this happens if it arrives at a station when its lost for example 21:47:20 <KaareMai> then it doesnt follow "the rules" 21:47:42 <Gonozal_VIII> they are not supposed to pass red signals ever... 21:47:48 <KaareMai> but they do 21:47:58 <dihedral> KaareMai: screenshot :-) 21:47:59 <dihedral> save 21:48:03 <dihedral> version 21:48:08 <dihedral> grf's? 21:48:20 <dihedral> patches? 21:48:31 <dihedral> Bjarni: no luck 21:48:45 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe the signal was green for a split second and you didn't notice? 21:48:50 <dihedral> 'Mac OS X cannot start up from this valume' 21:49:10 <KaareMai> 0.5.x nightlies spanning over several different nightlies, no grf, no patches 21:49:33 <Bjarni> dihedral: then the hardware isn't bootable 21:49:41 <KaareMai> but Gonozal_VIII, how can it turn green if both platforms are occupied 21:50:04 <Bjarni> depending on the computer itself USB might not be bootable at all. For some reason Apple added USB booting really late 21:50:04 <KaareMai> if both platforms are occupied, it will ignore the pre-signal and drive in and block the train 21:50:21 <KaareMai> when i make the train leave and another arrives that is supposed to arrive, then it follows the rules 21:50:22 <Gonozal_VIII> don't know how exactly your layout is... but if it is as you described it shouldn't happen 21:50:25 <Bjarni> firewire booting works on all macs with firewire though 21:50:35 <dihedral> it's a 12" G4 21:50:41 <KaareMai> its just a standard two terminal terminus 21:50:47 <KaareMai> let me find a screenie :) 21:51:06 <dihedral> 3 years old :-( 21:51:16 * dihedral pats this power book 21:51:26 <Bjarni> I can beat that 21:51:31 <KaareMai> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Image:SignalTutorial19.png 21:51:35 <KaareMai> Just like that one 21:51:37 <Bjarni> my powerbook is 11 years old 21:51:39 <KaareMai> It works perfectly 21:52:03 <Bjarni> that one can't boot from USB either :P 21:52:14 <KaareMai> but sometimes it doesnt. It seems that the problem happens if the train is lost or arrives at a station that it doesnt have in its order list 21:52:19 <dihedral> KaareMai: i see no trains 21:52:23 <dihedral> :-) 21:52:31 <KaareMai> No its just from the wiki page :) 21:52:38 <dihedral> well wonderful 21:52:47 <Gonozal_VIII> you don't have an exit signal where the normal should be, do you? 21:52:52 <KaareMai> No 21:52:55 <Gonozal_VIII> ok... 21:53:01 <dihedral> just give us a screenshot from something else will help us know whats going on in your game!! 21:53:07 <KaareMai> They are completely identical to the one on the screenshot 21:53:12 <KaareMai> okay lol 21:53:25 <Bjarni> <KaareMai> They are completely identical to the one on the screenshot <-- not 100% because then it would work 21:53:33 <dihedral> :-P 21:53:48 <KaareMai> bjarni, thats like saying theres no bugs in openttd :P 21:54:02 <KaareMai> while flyspray says something else :D 21:54:14 <dihedral> KaareMai: it's not 21:54:25 <SmatZ> KaareMai: are both platforms full? 21:54:36 <dihedral> apparently they are 21:54:37 <KaareMai> yes 21:54:37 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a standard station... lots of people use that... there is no bug in that by itself 21:54:42 <KaareMai> both platforms full 21:54:52 <KaareMai> all trains that arrives follows the rules and do not block 21:54:55 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:58 <Bjarni> <KaareMai> bjarni, thats like saying theres no bugs in openttd :P <-- no. Even if there are bugs it should behave the very same way with the very same layout even if it's buggy 21:55:10 <KaareMai> but when a train that is lost arrives then sometimes it drives further in even though the light is red 21:55:22 <KaareMai> it happens very rarely 21:55:32 <dihedral> my word 21:55:40 <SmatZ> KaareMai: do you have a screenshot, or better a save? 21:55:44 <dihedral> give a screenshot and a save and the version number 21:56:15 <SmatZ> KaareMai: similiar situation may happen, if platforms are not all occupied 21:56:21 <SmatZ> but if they are... 21:56:59 <dihedral> he probably has combo at station and exit on track out and pre on track in 21:57:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> if a train is lost, it is a bug in your layout... 21:57:59 <Gonozal_VIII> exit at the way out would be enough to cause that 21:58:15 <Gonozal_VIII> but he said he hasn't 21:58:17 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest1485 21:58:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:58:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> we are still waiting at the screenshot... 21:58:49 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: sinse when has a claim that a 'user' has not done something been enough without proof? 21:59:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 21:59:45 <Gonozal_VIII> KaareMai? do you know how to make a screenshot? 21:59:48 <dihedral> yes - bill gates? you have a bug in your software, my thunderbird cannot connect to the mail server... oh - i need to configure my adsl router? 22:00:05 <KaareMai> http://www.gtaonline.dk/images/openttd.png 22:00:32 <dihedral> i spy with my little eye - one free track 22:00:35 <Bjarni> fucking Swede 22:00:38 <KaareMai> this game uses some grfs (ttrs3, some stations) 22:00:41 <Bjarni> you drive on the left side o_O 22:00:41 <Gonozal_VIII> a bit hidden.. but looks like a normal signal 22:00:48 <Gonozal_VIII> so signals should be fine 22:00:55 <KaareMai> yeah i do bjarni :D 22:01:02 <KaareMai> thats how i started and now its just a habit 22:01:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... in our area that is called more something like "holy swede" :p 22:01:38 <KaareMai> i cant capture the bug right now as it happens very rarely, it may take hours before i see it again 22:01:47 <dihedral> [23:00] <Bjarni> fucking Swede <--- LOL 22:01:48 <Gonozal_VIII> but you should have made a screenshot of the actual bug, not a standard situation... 22:01:51 <Bjarni> I don't have a habit when it comes to driving side... I switch depending on the game 22:02:10 <Gonozal_VIII> i prefer right 22:02:11 <KaareMai> I will Gonozal_VIII as soon as i see it again :) 22:02:24 <Bjarni> well I use right side driving if it really doesn't matter but I sometimes do some track optimisation based on driving side 22:02:42 <KaareMai> And about the lost trains: It keeps saying that when i let trains drive over very large networks and long distances 22:02:47 <dihedral> Bjarni: i switch driving sides depending on the country i am in 22:02:49 <KaareMai> however they always find their way anyway 22:02:56 <Bjarni> I picked left side when testing the Japanese GRF set to make it more "real" 22:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> worse than that he is driving on wrong side, is, that his signals are on the wrong side for driving on the wrong side, and two wrongs do not automatically make a right 22:03:11 <KaareMai> lol 22:03:34 <dihedral> ;-) 22:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> in any case, signals should be on the outside 22:03:51 * Bjarni imagines KaareMai ordering steam locomotives for his track layout 22:03:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's even a patch setting for that... 22:04:02 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-83-152.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:04:15 *** Guest1485 [~wolf01@host21-12-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:15 <ben_goodger> good evening, humanoids 22:04:20 <Bjarni> "I drive in the left track". "ok, then we will give you left side driving engines so the driver can see the signals" 22:04:25 <dihedral> KaareMai: hint: save games every month, and capture the event :-) 22:04:32 <dihedral> and specify a date with the save 22:04:33 <Bjarni> and then you are screwed with your signal placements :P 22:04:47 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't the driver sit in the middle? 22:04:55 <KaareMai> Well, it's a game running on my server, and the players get pretty annoyed of the long saving times 22:05:01 <KaareMai> each autosave is 4MB 22:05:03 <dihedral> Gonozal_VIII: perhaps that depends on the loc and the driver 22:05:11 <fjb> I saw lost trains and trains which don't have a route at all (escaped from a depot) waiting in front of a red platform entry signal while the platform next to that one was free. There defenitly is a bug somewhere. 22:05:14 <dihedral> but i beleive the driver sits either at the front or rear :-D 22:05:15 <KaareMai> the mouse lags like hell just by moving it over the openttd window 22:05:16 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: not on steam locomotives. The fireman shovel coal in the middle 22:05:29 <KaareMai> exactly fjb 22:05:32 <KaareMai> i've seen that too 22:05:45 <ben_goodger> this is not a good time to ask about routefinding algorithms? 22:05:46 <dihedral> reproduceable? 22:05:50 <Bjarni> the driver is placed to the far left/right to be able to see around the boiler 22:05:51 <KaareMai> its like they stop following signal rules if the arrive at a station that is not in their orders 22:05:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: that is no bug, a train without route can take a random (as in undefined) track 22:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> it may or may not take the red light 22:06:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> in any way, a lost train is a user bug 22:06:58 <KaareMai> but if it has two possible lines in front of it, the one is red the other is green ,then it should take the green one? 22:07:00 <fjb> When it happens, it usually happens at the same stations. Best way to find it will be to start some trains without orders. 22:07:02 <KaareMai> sounds logical to me :) 22:07:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> you cannot guess what you want it to do 22:07:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> (from pathfinder view, it does not know wether the next signal is green or not) 22:08:06 <KaareMai> O.o 22:08:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> the pathfinder also does not know which exit signals are an option 22:08:46 <Gonozal_VIII> you cannot calculate penalties without knowing the way :-) 22:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> it only locally checks wether the current tile is a signal, and then sets a penalty for this branch 22:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> it does that for every current end point 22:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> and for the end point with the lowest current penalty, it checks the next tile 22:09:20 <KaareMai> That sounds like an explanation to my problem 22:09:41 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause2: i thought yapf looked 10 signals ahead 22:10:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> dihedral: yes, but only if it actually encounters 10 signals 22:10:11 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065153.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> if the pathfinder runs into a dead end, it assigns infinite penalty for that route 22:10:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> if no route exists, all routes are dead ends 22:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> so all routes have infinite penalty 22:10:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it can choose a random one 22:11:30 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/K564.jpg <-- this is the view of the driver if he is located in the left side. As you can see it wouldn't make much sense to be in the middle ;) 22:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> the only alternative to that is to not let the train go anywhere at all 22:11:58 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause2: nice - thanks for that :-) 22:12:02 <dihedral> good to know 22:12:29 <Bjarni> (I just uploaded this picture to show it to you guys... it's from my personal archive) 22:12:30 <KaareMai> bjarni, that driver would love my rail system 22:12:31 <Gonozal_VIII> not much too see from inside there 22:12:32 <KaareMai> :D 22:12:46 <KaareMai> "Full speed ahead, i don't care" 22:13:20 <KaareMai> I don't think i can ever change sides now, would confuse the hell out of me 22:13:27 <Gonozal_VIII> if there is a right curve ahead, you can't even see signals or other trains... 22:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: err... but that engine is running backwards (you see the wagon attached to it), shouldn't you look the other direction? 22:14:32 <dihedral> i am off to bed - cu 22:14:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F56CF1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:14:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> dihedral: the pathfinder (in the current design) cannot handle turning around in dead ends, because it would need to know the train length to check wether a switch after turning could actually be taken 22:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> it can handle turning around in depots, though 22:15:38 <Bjarni> http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/firebox-fire.jpg http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s991088/firebox-pipes.jpg <-- this is basically what the middle is all about 22:15:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host112-237-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:06 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: err... but that engine is running backwards (you see the wagon attached to it), shouldn't you look the other direction? <-- the engine was doing switching operations when I took the picture 22:16:09 *** KaareMai [~MaXx@0x55530063.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 22:16:10 <Gonozal_VIII> it isn't very realistic to let trains turn around at dead ends with the engine flipping from one side to the other anyways 22:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, but until you implement shunting and turntables, you should deal with that limitation :p 22:17:16 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> it isn't very realistic to let trains turn around at dead ends with the engine flipping from one side to the other anyways <-- no, but damn I would have liked to be able to do that in real life at one time.... one switch turned out to be temporally unusable 22:17:36 <Bjarni> which resulted in a train on the end of the line with no way of getting the engine to the other end >_< 22:18:18 <Gonozal_VIII> would be nice to have that in openttd too :-) has to run backwards very slow then... 22:18:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean temporarily, unless you want to team up with ln- as a trekky :p 22:18:26 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, but until you implement shunting and turntables, you should deal with that limitation :p <-- there is no need for turntables... tender engines can reverse better than you might expect 22:18:50 <Bjarni> damn that spelling thingie >_< 22:19:03 <Bjarni> picked the wrong word when I made a typo 22:19:45 <Bjarni> btw no comments about the last links to pics I just posted? 22:20:08 <Bjarni> you have to enjoy them or I will stop uploading 22:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> what kind of comments do you expect? 22:20:23 <Bjarni> well... cool wouldn't be fitting :D 22:20:26 <Gonozal_VIII> it's a hole with fire in it^^ 22:20:46 <Gonozal_VIII> not that impressive 22:21:02 <Bjarni> you can see the pipes in the boiler 22:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have bigger problems right now... 22:21:21 <Bjarni> I bet you haven't seen that on a steam engine that's on before 22:21:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> i need 6GB space for recordings, but i only have 4GB free, and my burner is broken, and the new one i ordered did not arrive yet 22:22:47 <Gonozal_VIII> there are 500gb external hds for less than 100 euro available :-) 22:22:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> but not within the next 2 hours 22:23:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the burner costs only 20⬠22:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> and 100DVDs are way less than 100⬠22:23:57 <Gonozal_VIII> + dvds + lots of discs everywhere that get lost or break 22:26:51 <Bjarni> IRC never fails to amaze me. I show you a picture of a hot hole and you guys ignore it... imagine what bash.org would get out of such a picture 22:27:04 <Gonozal_VIII> hehehe 22:29:18 <Bjarni> at one time there was visitors in the engine to see it and a buy asked "can I touch it".... TOUCH THE FIREBOX WITH BURNING COAL INSIDE?????????????????????????????? 22:29:26 <Bjarni> it's kind of hot 22:29:54 <Gonozal_VIII> so you let him? 22:30:13 <Bjarni> not really 22:30:20 <Bjarni> somebody else stopped him 22:30:25 <Gonozal_VIII> best way of learning 22:30:26 <Bjarni> the fireman and his parents 22:30:46 <Bjarni> while the crew were surprised at the question, the parents were frightened 22:31:28 <Bjarni> you can easily burn yourself to a state where you end up at the hospital 22:32:14 <Bjarni> somehow I think there would be problems if people are injured like that 22:32:43 <Bjarni> just think of railroad crossings... it's a problem for the railroads when they hit somebody who tries to cross when they are activated 22:32:48 *** exe [~ghf@pub70089.brzesko.net.pl] has joined #openttd 22:33:44 <Bjarni> there is a case where somebody jumped in front of a car on the freeway (he was hidden until the car was really close) and the driver was fined for killing this guy 22:34:09 <Gonozal_VIII> they always want somebody to blame 22:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> "fined" != "convicted" 22:34:12 <Bjarni> because even though he was below the speed limit, it was still too fast because he was unable to stop when a person showed up 22:34:28 *** |fjb| [~frank@p5485C096.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:44 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause2> "fined" != "convicted" <-- he refused to pay so it ended up in court, so he ended up getting convicted 22:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can get fined for being involved in an accident, because accidents are a violation of the road rules 22:35:38 <Bjarni> but... to be fined because somebody goes to the middle of the freeway, hides behind a pillar on a bridge and waits for a car so he can commit suicide... 22:36:01 <Bjarni> the whole idea of committing suicide is to ensure that some random car can't avoid you 22:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> sure, the road rule's first article says that you should drive in a way that you avoid any kind of accident 22:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you violate that article, you can get fined for it 22:36:39 <Bjarni> but it also says that you aren't allowed to drive so slowly that you block traffic 22:36:46 <Gonozal_VIII> it wasn't an accident 22:37:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> "accident" meaning "unexpected interference of the road flow" 22:37:53 <Bjarni> that happened today. Some lorry broke and dropped the cargo all over the road 22:37:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:07 <Bjarni> it was a full sewer cleaning car >_< 22:38:14 <Bjarni> nice way of blocking the road 22:38:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> note that he was not fined for killing the person, but for not being able to stop before hitting him 22:38:26 <Gonozal_VIII> i can't see how you could avoid any random interference 22:38:49 <Bjarni> that's like being able to predict that a bird will show up out of nowhere at high speed 22:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: you can't, that's why it's just a set of rules, not a set of laws 22:39:10 <Bjarni> we aren't jedi knights... we can't see everything before it happens 22:39:50 * Bjarni wants to use Japanese laws when it comes to road/railroad crossings 22:40:09 <Bjarni> if a car and a train hits each other then it's always the car driver that is to blame nomatter what 22:40:19 <Bjarni> even if the crossing is out of order 22:40:31 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-121-217-230-66.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:40:58 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody would drive say... 10 km/h through every bridge on the highway because somebody could jump out from behind a pillar... 22:41:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C79F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: exactly, you can't follow all rules, so breaking them is not as serious as breaking a law 22:42:26 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> nobody would drive say... 10 km/h through every bridge on the highway because somebody could jump out from behind a pillar... <-- well... he was fined for not doing so 22:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> but if you break a rule, and someting actually happens, you need to expect to get fined for it 22:42:45 <Bjarni> but he would be fined for doing so if nobody was waiting for him 22:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> other example: you have precedence over the road from left, but someone comes from left violating the precedence, you have a straight lane ahead, and next to you is a pavewalk with no people on it 22:44:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:44:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have two options: 22:44:41 <Bjarni> I saw a lorry driver on TV because he had killed somebody and he was really upset because it turned out that this guy was committed to a mental hospital because he tried to commit suicide several times but he was free to go as he liked so he found somebody in there and said "let's do it together". The lorry only hit one of them 22:44:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can go on straight, insisting on your right of way, causing an accident 22:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> or you can break the rule of staying on the road, go on the pavewalk, and avoid an accident 22:45:33 <Bjarni> people generally pick the latter often without checking if it's free or not 22:45:48 <Bjarni> because then they will not get physically hurt themselves 22:45:58 <Gonozal_VIII> people cause less damage to the car than other cars :-) 22:46:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you choose the first way, you get a partial responsibility for the accident 22:47:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> if you choose the second way, you may still get fined for going on the pavewalk 22:47:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> and you get in real trouble if you actually hit a passant 22:47:54 <Gonozal_VIII> that's stupid... good that i don't have to drive much 22:50:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> there's a nice sentence of Gödel 22:50:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> "any sufficiently complex set of rules is either incomplete or inconsistent" 22:51:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i hear that a lot... 22:52:48 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 22:54:01 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:54:02 <Bjarni> ohh... just remembered a nice story. There was a freeway in England where a car had stopped in the hard shoulder and the police noticed because it was right in front of one of their cameras. They went "oh it's a breakdown and he stopped right next to a phone" but then it turned out that nobody called from the phone so they were a bit pussled. There was no driver either but there was a guy lying on the passenger seat so they decide t 22:54:02 <Bjarni> o call the phone to ask if everything is all right. Everything became really clear when he went for the phone because there was a woman under him :D 22:54:19 <Bjarni> the police released that tape to TV... busted :P 22:55:22 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 22:55:30 *** oh is now known as oh__ 22:56:39 <Bjarni> I guess we all learned something from that... if you want to do it, then don't do it in front of a police camera in an illegally parked car 22:58:00 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-096-208.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 22:59:34 *** Brianetta [~brian@82-39-52-234.cable.ubr03.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:02:48 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-184-203.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:22 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B7A101.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:20 *** RamboRonny [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 23:13:35 <Bjarni> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/iphone-doesnt-send-imei-information-to-apple-324640.php <--- awesome photoshop (and the story is ok too) 23:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: have you seen this one? http://www.schandmaennchen.de/imer.jpg 23:16:48 <Bjarni> heh 23:16:50 <Bjarni> no 23:16:55 <Bjarni> well... now I have 23:17:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> note that "Eimer" is the german word for bucket ;) 23:18:59 <Bjarni> I would like to know what data Apple get. Somehow I think the statistic explanation is true but I would like to know for sure 23:19:16 <Bjarni> I noticed some widgets phone home 23:19:19 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-106.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:19:41 <Bjarni> but then one of them made a popup saying that I could download an update 23:20:29 <Bjarni> then I just blocked all widgets unless they really need net access (like the weather forecast one) 23:21:25 <Bjarni> there is the risk of spyware in all OSes 23:22:06 <Bjarni> I don't think Apple would be illegally spying on their customers and then abuse that info. If any company is caught doing that then it's bye bye 23:22:24 <Bjarni> nobody will ever buy their products again if that happens and they know that 23:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Ein Schelm, wer böses dabei denkt." 23:23:36 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:24:57 <Bjarni> damn my German is rusty :( 23:25:01 <Bjarni> what does Schelm mean? 23:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> difficult to explain 23:26:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's kind of an outdated word 23:27:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schelm 23:28:16 <Bjarni> Todbringer... 23:28:19 <Bjarni> ok 23:28:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> (the article does even feature that exact same sentence) 23:28:43 <Bjarni> yeah I quickly realised that you didn't just make it up 23:29:00 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Garter is it the same? 23:29:15 <SmatZ> hmm no 23:29:54 <SmatZ> I wonder why this is linked page to English from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honi_soit_qui_mal_y_pense , that is linked from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schelm 23:29:56 <SmatZ> too complex 23:29:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm, i can't open webpages anymore 23:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> "The order's emblem, depicted on insignia, is a garter with the motto Honi soit qui mal y pense (Old French: shame upon him who thinks evil of it)" 23:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is the phrase 23:32:30 <Bjarni> ahh now I get it... one word in a sentence really matters sometimes :) 23:33:06 <Bjarni> well... I actually said that it's not likely that it's the worst case scenario 23:33:25 <Bjarni> I trust 3rd party plugins that phones home somewhat less though 23:33:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, it's a common phrase that usually appears in context of such stories 23:34:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> like that the creator's MAC address appears in a word document (a few years ago) 23:35:10 <Bjarni> I didn't hear that one 23:35:29 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:50 <Bjarni> but I just remembered another one... MS should be part of a greater plot to steal company information so American companies could learn stuff about other companies so they could get orders that they wouldn't get otherwise 23:38:23 <SmatZ> CIA did the 9/11 !!! 23:38:34 <Bjarni> there was a whole lot of analysing at one time when Boring got a major order and it looked like the result of industrial spies 23:38:57 <Gonozal_VIII> there never were any people on the moon! 23:39:23 <SmatZ> FBI killed JFK 23:39:24 <Bjarni> when they are to make billions then I think they could do it (that goes for most companies if not all) but somehow I don't think the US government funded and controlled the spies 23:39:45 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:40:04 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> there never were any people on the moon! <-- that's the truth so it doesn't fit in with the insane stories mentioned right now 23:40:23 <Gonozal_VIII> the government uses iodine in the water to control the people's thoughts! 23:40:55 <SmatZ> there are aliens among us 23:41:03 <SmatZ> and government knows about it 23:41:23 <Gonozal_VIII> government are all aliens! 23:41:24 <SmatZ> Elvis lives! 23:41:36 <Bjarni> the US government will not public their reports on UFO sidings because they are proof of alien visits 23:41:39 <Gonozal_VIII> hitler too 23:41:44 <Bjarni> that one was on the radio the other day 23:42:36 <|fjb|> Iodine in the water? Did you watch Dr. Strangelove? :-) 23:43:00 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 23:43:07 <Bjarni> and with the statement that the government should have rejected publishing their archive because it would make mass hysteria because it contains the proof... somehow I don't think they said that because if they want to keep something like that secret then they wouldn't claim to be able to prove it 23:44:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Gonozal_VIII> the government uses iodine in the water to control the people's thoughts! <- actually, a lot of countries put flourides into the water ;) 23:44:55 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:45:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> (it's supposed to help with dental health) 23:45:52 <Bjarni> it has nasty sideeffects so I'm happy that we aren't doing that here 23:45:53 <SmatZ> if you type Google into Google, the Internet will die 23:45:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> (germany decided against this, so they put flourides into the salt instead) 23:46:20 <Bjarni> we put it in toothpaste instead XD 23:46:37 <Bjarni> you shouldn't eat it 23:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's also done 23:46:45 <SmatZ> :) 23:48:11 <Bjarni> here a lot of people had a specific disease based on lack of (something... I don't know the English name for it) so they decided to add it to salt. Now nobody has that disease anymore so now people want to remove it again 23:48:23 <Bjarni> I think I know what will happen if it's removed :P 23:48:48 <Gonozal_VIII> skorbut 23:48:52 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 23:48:52 <SmatZ> iodide, calcium 23:48:57 <Gonozal_VIII> no.. 23:48:59 <Bjarni> no. not that 23:49:11 <Bjarni> it's not vitamin C 23:49:26 <Bjarni> it's not even a vitamin at all 23:49:31 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... remembered while writing 23:49:49 *** Unknown_Entity [~UnknownEn@dslb-084-063-026-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:49:49 <Gonozal_VIII> "kropf" is the thing with iodine 23:50:04 <dihedral> night ladies 23:50:07 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... Hackedi...hackedi...weg.] 23:50:30 <Bjarni> actually.... iodine could be the name in English :) 23:50:33 *** dihedral [~dihedral_@dslb-088-064-161-242.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.9/2007102514]] 23:50:43 <Bjarni> I will look it up tomorrow 23:50:46 <Bjarni> time for bed 23:50:53 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:51:01 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:02 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.klinikum-lev.de/images/kropf5_2713.jpg 23:52:22 *** De_Ghosty [~c4command@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 23:53:19 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:54:00 *** Szandor [~a@host-83-146-13-132.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #openttd 23:54:18 *** helb [~helb@84.244.90.159] has joined #openttd 23:55:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... was that necessary? 23:55:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 23:56:57 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:20 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]