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00:00:39 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:00:39 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #openttd [] 00:00:45 *** Gekz [~gekko@CPE-144-137-110-250.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:08:31 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-52-118.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 00:08:53 <Gonozal_VIII> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog 00:12:19 *** Ammlller [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:12:29 <glx> trying fonts Gonozal_VIII? 00:13:24 <Gonozal_VIII> accidently sent it.. 00:14:23 <Gonozal_VIII> they shouldn't place the erase key thing next to the send key thing 00:54:27 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: SERVEPRO] 01:04:41 *** Osai^zZz [~Osai@pD9EB62F5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^zZz] 01:09:52 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:59 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 01:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a bad phrase for testing fonts anyway... 01:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> it doesn't contain ÀöÌ 01:14:33 <Gonozal_VIII> so does "franz jagt im komplett verwahrlosten taxi quer durch bayern" 01:14:46 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: and our alphabet does? 01:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, "OUR" alphabet does ;) 01:15:28 <Gonozal_VIII> ÀöÌà :-) 01:15:32 <SmatZ> it misses much more characters: "pÞÃli¹ Ÿlu»ouÚkÃœ kùò úpìl ïábelské ódy" 01:15:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: but "Falsches Ãben von Xylophonmusik quÀlt jeden gröÃeren Zwerg" does 01:16:20 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm i can't read your ÀöÌ stuff now 01:16:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> SmatZ: that is garbled somehow... 01:17:28 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: probably problem with codepage... I can read your text with no problem (including à ) 01:18:33 <SmatZ> maybe even the link will work... pÞÃli¹.Ÿlu»ouÚkÃœ.kùò.úpìl.ïábelské.ódy.modry.cz/ international domain names, blah :-x ... this is mapped to http://xn--pli-rma35ctb.xn--luouk-uva4it5a4g.xn--k-qla0j.xn--pl-qka7k.xn--belsk-wqa5dzq.xn--dy-4ja.modry.cz/ 01:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Bildschirmphoto4.png 01:24:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you have civ running in the background? 01:24:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have civ paused in the background... 01:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have a recompression of my scrubs recording running in the background 01:27:12 <SmatZ> http://88.146.45.107/ttd/irc.png 01:28:12 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a lot of channels... 01:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> most likely you have not set it to send in utf8 01:29:13 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: ÀÌëö ... you can even read à ... wouldn't I need utf8 for that, too? 01:29:35 <SmatZ> yes, the best channels are #i_am_the_master[ !?] 01:31:38 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B778DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> gna... 01:31:49 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/openttd.png 01:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause3> you can convert incoming strings from different encodings, and set it to send in a certain encoding 01:32:54 <Eddi|zuHause3> ÀöÌ <- this is windows-1252 01:33:11 <Eddi|zuHause3>  <- this is ibm850 01:33:30 <Gonozal_VIII> i can read the first 01:34:04 <SmatZ> yes, I have ISO 8859-2 01:34:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, cp1252 is the most common encoding, together with ibm 8859-1 01:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> they have a lot in common 01:34:41 <SmatZ> pÅÃliÅ¡ ÅŸluÅ¥ouÄkÃœ kůŠúpÄl Äábelské ódy ... better now? 01:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause3> s/ibm/iso 01:34:59 <Gonozal_VIII> looks worse here 01:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, looks better 01:35:05 <SmatZ> :-D 01:35:10 <SmatZ> I set it to UTF-8 01:35:24 <Gonozal_VIII> almost every sign replaced now 01:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> Gonozal_VIII: that is because your client is not set to decode utf-8 01:37:18 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause3: you seem to be good in math, while you have op @ #mathe 8-) 01:37:49 <Eddi|zuHause3> wait, that was a requirement? 01:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> damn... 01:38:03 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74ED2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 01:41:30 <SmatZ> no... 01:42:07 <Eddi|zuHause3> but to answer the question, yes i have earned that status ;) 01:42:57 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has joined #openttd 01:44:46 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:37 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:55:41 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@pool-71-114-48-3.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 01:58:27 <Gonozal_VIII> seems like trillian irc plugin doesn't support utf-8 decoding 01:58:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> you don't usually notice in english speaking channels ;) 01:59:41 <Gonozal_VIII> yes that's right... 02:00:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> you don't imagine how often i get to hear "hey, your umlauts are broken" in a german speaking channel ;) 02:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> (typical answer is: "no, my umlauts are fine, your display is broken") 02:01:22 <SmatZ> :-) 02:03:24 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 02:06:04 <Gonozal_VIII> there is a feature to replace strings from incoming messages with other strings for changing nicks of other users and such stuff, in the trillian forum they write about using that to replace the umlauts 02:06:19 <Gonozal_VIII> but that's a trillian pro feature so i can't use that 02:07:02 <Gonozal_VIII> but doesn't matter 02:08:46 <Eddi|zuHause3> [So Aug 26 2007] [22:16:50] <Eddi> also _ich_ habe umlaute :p 02:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> [Mo Sep 3 2007] [15:34:57] <Eddi> meine umlaute sind völlig in ordnung :p 02:08:58 <Eddi|zuHause3> [Di Nov 13 2007] [18:26:16] <Eddi> _meine_ umlaute gehen 02:09:13 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 02:09:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> [Di Nov 20 2007] [18:44:29] <Eddi> was meinst du, wie oft ich hier diskussionen gefÃŒhrt hab, à la "deine umlaute gehen nicht" 02:09:48 <Sacro> guten nacht 02:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> just a few exaples ;) 02:10:12 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:10:26 <Gonozal_VIII> good night 02:10:52 <Gonozal_VIII> (it is "gute nacht") 02:11:04 <Sacro> well i'm not native german 02:11:48 <Gonozal_VIII> [20:55:00] Sacro: Rotonen: I am teaching the foreigners how to speak English 02:11:56 <Gonozal_VIII> ;-) 02:12:00 <Sacro> :o 02:12:10 <Sacro> alright, you got me there 02:19:45 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-52-118.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:36 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B778DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:40 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B778DE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:44:19 <SmatZ> night 02:44:23 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation 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TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users.kollegienet.dk] has joined #openttd 12:08:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1E31E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:12:12 *** dihedral [~root@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 12:13:52 <Ammler> :) 12:16:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54551.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:20:04 <dihedral> what are you smirking about :-P 12:20:06 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 12:24:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-52-118.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:24:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-32-140.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:35:35 <Bjarni> it looks like a smile from a guy who are thinking about women 12:35:39 *** titus [~titus@intter.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:35:51 *** titus [~titus@intter.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:56 <Bjarni> or men 12:36:10 <Bjarni> we can make up all sorts of reasons unless he tells us 12:37:08 <dihedral> :-P 12:37:29 <Bjarni> withholding information can be dangerous 12:38:13 <Bjarni> well... he isn't denying anything 12:45:40 <ln-> Bjarni: the most logical explanation is that he's laughing at us. 12:45:49 <ln-> or you. 12:46:26 <Bjarni> no 12:46:47 <Bjarni> because then we would be able to tell what I would say after he started smiling and he had no indications at all 12:47:33 <dihedral> perhaps that is what he is smiling at... 12:47:45 <dihedral> but he smiled in every channel i joined... 12:47:47 <dihedral> :-S 12:48:03 <dihedral> Ammler: dont you dare propose :-P 12:48:56 * fjb knows what Ammler is smiling about. dihedral should also know. 12:49:22 <Bjarni> well... unless he tells us I should assume worst case 12:49:34 <Bjarni> that he is laughing at me (for no valid reason) 12:49:38 <Ammler> omg 12:49:41 <Ammler> :) 12:49:44 <Bjarni> maybe I should ban him just in case 12:49:59 <Ammler> sorry about that 12:50:06 <Bjarni> he admits it 12:50:38 <Bjarni> but he also apologises 12:50:47 <Bjarni> ... tricky 12:50:50 <Ammler> hmm 12:51:34 * Bjarni wonders if he can ban somebody for smiling after he apologised 12:51:49 <Ammler> please not, :) 12:52:03 <Ammler> its was really not personally, just a smile 12:52:18 <Bjarni> but you should know better 12:52:27 *** HMage [Queneex@hmage.dialup.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:52:35 <Bjarni> everything that is said on the internet is changed into something else 12:52:43 <Bjarni> usually to make you look bad 12:53:18 * fjb thinks Bjarni is suffering from lack of banning people. 12:53:39 <Ammler> indeed, 12:53:50 <Ammler> (to Bjarni) 12:54:09 <Bjarni> maybe I should ban fjb for saying stuff like that 12:54:13 <Bjarni> it makes me look bad 12:54:27 <Bjarni> imagine an op who feels the need to ban people 12:54:49 <Bjarni> DarkVater once banned himself on purpose and asked us to remove the ban the next day 12:55:11 <Bjarni> we could have "forgotten" to do so :P 12:55:15 <ThePizzaKing> hehehe, good ol' DarkVater 12:55:32 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-163-182.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:55:41 <Bjarni> we once banned DiabloD3 and forgot to unban him for months 12:55:58 *** Middystyle [~Middystyl@cc748251-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:55:58 * fjb is not really here anyway. 12:56:10 <Middystyle> hello 12:56:12 <Bjarni> then who are you? 12:56:26 <Bjarni> if you aren't here but you are here then who is here when it's not you? 12:56:32 <Bjarni> hi Middystyle 12:57:24 <Middystyle> everything ok here? 12:57:29 <fjb> It's just me. 12:57:39 <fjb> Hi Middystyle 12:57:41 <Bjarni> Middystyle: what kind of question is that??? 12:57:54 <Bjarni> do you expect us to tell that the roof blew off the channel or something? 12:58:00 <fjb> Middystyle: Everything is as usual, almost. 12:58:54 <Middystyle> Ok. but I have a question about the dedicated server of OpenTTD wich I can find nowhere, or maybe missed it... 12:59:25 <dihedral> Bjarni: you ate a clown for breakfast? 12:59:38 <Bjarni> no he ran away :( 12:59:43 <Middystyle> let me think, ehm, nope... 12:59:50 * fjb thinks Bjarni didn't sleep well last night. 12:59:55 <Bjarni> that's why I started picking on Ammler 13:00:14 <fjb> :-) 13:00:39 <dihedral> Middystyle: and what would the q be? 13:01:51 <Bjarni> dihedral: it's a classic: "may I ask a question?" 13:02:22 <fjb> Better don't aks if you are allowed to ask a question. 13:02:24 <Middystyle> How can I use always the same map for a dedicated server 13:02:42 <Bjarni> ok that's a valid question 13:02:48 <Middystyle> I have a map, but after 2051 it starts with a new map 13:03:15 <Middystyle> And I want that specific map running, all the time 13:03:18 <dihedral> i know that if you have the generation_seed value in the config 13:03:23 <dihedral> and use my reload_config patch 13:03:31 <dihedral> it will always generate the same map for you :-P 13:03:42 <Middystyle> Wait a minute, I'm gonna look 13:03:47 <Bjarni> I think he wants to load the same scenario every time 13:04:02 <dihedral> you most likley dont have my reload_config patch 13:04:12 <Bjarni> bbl 13:04:27 <Middystyle> yes, that's it, the same scenario 13:05:25 <dihedral> Bjarni: would it be nice to have a 'map loop' section in the config? 13:05:42 <dihedral> i.e. specifying a scn, sav or RANDOM 13:05:52 <Middystyle> if that is possible? 13:06:01 <dihedral> no - not yet :-P 13:06:22 <Middystyle> but one scenario? 13:08:50 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-115-174.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:09:06 <Ammller> bad wifi today 13:09:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-84-227-32-140.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:15 *** Middystyle [~Middystyl@cc748251-a.hnglo1.ov.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 13:18:07 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54551.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:18:22 <Ammller> is it possible to ban someone from wiki? 13:19:25 <Rubidium> Ammller: technically yes 13:20:39 <Rubidium> or at least one can do with the openttd.org wiki 13:21:06 <Ammller> hmm, our stupid friend soup is annoying http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/User:Rabbit67890 13:21:33 <Ammller> but its not that bad atm, I just hope, It won't be worse 13:22:11 <Ammller> (its the guy with the java virus, whch plays ottd alone.) 13:22:42 <Ammller> hehe, he has its own server now. 13:23:06 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54551.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:11 <Bjarni> I will not play on that one 13:37:36 <Bjarni> I risk that all my tracks will be deleted by that java virus/crazy admin 13:42:33 <dihedral> Bjarni: talking of soup: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=643640#p643640 13:43:08 <Bjarni> ROFL 13:43:10 <hylje> soup #openttd 13:43:33 <Bjarni> I saw that topic and wondered wtf this guy was talking about 13:43:52 <Bjarni> the screenshots aren't showing clever AIs or anything 13:44:43 <dihedral> i like making him appear as the silly ass :-P 13:44:54 <Bjarni> maybe I would have replied "everything is relative" to your reply 13:45:09 <Bjarni> but somehow it's not decent behaviour of an admin 13:45:15 <dihedral> heh 13:45:28 <dihedral> good job non-admins are around to do the non-decent stuff :-D 13:45:46 <Bjarni> I always have guys to do the dirty work 13:46:08 <Bjarni> except laundry :( 13:46:24 <dihedral> yuck 13:46:27 * fjb found that thread to stupid to answer it. :-) 13:46:32 * dihedral does not want to know about Bjarni laundry 13:46:56 <dihedral> but i find the rabbit less annoying than the maartena guy 13:46:57 <dihedral> :-P 13:46:57 <Bjarni> sometimes it's full of coal dust, oil and grease 13:47:18 * dihedral does not want to know about grease in Bjarni laundry 13:47:47 <Bjarni> it happens when I try to fix/maintain something underneath the train 13:47:58 <Bjarni> or in the engine room 13:48:24 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:49:00 *** llugo [~lugo@p4FD5F7EE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:02 <Bjarni> * dihedral does not want to know about grease in Bjarni laundry <-- hehe.. that reminds me of when somebody asked me what it's like to do stuff on a steam locomotive and I said something like "you use a lot of lube on the long and pretty hard rods so they are prepared for hot and steamy back and forth motion" 13:51:03 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 13:51:06 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:51:13 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 13:51:27 <Bjarni> I think that's the most interesting description you can make on IRC 13:51:37 <Bjarni> I mean it should fit the mind of the reader 13:51:38 <SmatZ> hello my ottd-ers :) 13:51:46 <Bjarni> hi SmatZ 13:51:53 <SmatZ> hello Bjarni 13:52:06 <Bjarni> SmatZ: are you ready with the lube for some hot and steamy action with the rods? 13:52:29 <SmatZ> I am always ready for things like this! 13:52:46 <Bjarni> do you have any idea of what I'm talking about? 13:52:51 <Bjarni> :) 13:52:53 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:58 <skidd13> Hi 13:53:03 <Bjarni> hi skidd13 13:53:20 <Bjarni> skidd13: are you ready with the lube for some hot and steamy action with the rods? 13:53:45 <SmatZ> Bjarni: some kind of extreme sex? 13:54:09 <Bjarni> [14:50:02] <Bjarni> * dihedral does not want to know about grease in Bjarni laundry <-- hehe.. that reminds me of when somebody asked me what it's like to do stuff on a steam locomotive and I said something like "you use a lot of lube on the long and pretty hard rods so they are prepared for hot and steamy back and forth motion" 13:54:47 <skidd13> Bjarni: Mad guy 13:54:57 <SmatZ> :-) 13:55:01 <Bjarni> ... 13:55:47 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5CC7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:55:48 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-83-82.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 13:55:50 <skidd13> Bjarni: You seem to be in a serious need of a girlfriend ;) 13:55:58 <Bjarni> you know it makes it sound way more interesting than "I get up at 5:00 to get into a cold rainy morning and apply lube oil on the outside" 13:56:23 <Bjarni> skidd13: and what makes you think that I don't already have one? 13:56:35 <skidd13> Bjarni: pervert :P 13:56:46 <Bjarni> LOL 13:56:51 <Bjarni> that's not what I meant XD 13:57:11 <skidd13> I knew... But you started this way ;) 13:57:28 <hylje> trains are gigantic phallic objects 13:57:40 <hylje> guess what tunnels are? 13:57:44 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:47 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180065017.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:52 <Bjarni> eek 13:57:59 <skidd13> Hmmmmpf.... Enough! There might be children in here! 13:58:00 <Bjarni> we have a 4 track tunnel here.... 13:58:11 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@h77n1-ud-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:58:37 <Bjarni> actually I haven't heard the tunnel one before... it's more restricted to piston movements 13:59:18 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | And please, no YouTube.com Posting | No children allowed 13:59:23 <hylje> :I 13:59:26 <Bjarni> now we can continue :P 13:59:54 * skidd13 slaps Bjarni 14:00:07 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | And please, no YouTube.com Posting 14:00:14 <SmatZ> :-D 14:00:22 <Bjarni> now we can allow Sacro to be in here as well 14:00:36 <skidd13> :D 14:21:15 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Server closed connection] 14:21:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:22:28 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc177.host24.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:23:01 *** mucht_work [~Martin@143.50.125.24] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:23:44 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:11 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has joined #openttd 14:31:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7E435.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:32 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B41.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 14:35:51 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6947.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:20 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:37:22 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B41.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 14:41:27 <SmatZ> I don't understand why people place everything at rapidshare ... "Get your own Premium-account now! Instant download-access! (Or wait 197 minutes)" blah 14:46:38 *** LordAzamath [~LordAzama@pc177.host24.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 14:48:30 <fjb> Everybody knows rapid share. And it has to be fast, with that name... 14:48:55 <SmatZ> yes, with that name :) 14:49:10 <SmatZ> it could be renamed to "waitshare" 14:49:20 <fjb> :-) 14:50:19 <Rubidium> it's fast, but *only* when you pay for it 14:51:52 <fjb> I hate the stupid ai... 14:52:07 <SmatZ> fjb: write new! :) 14:52:13 <Bjarni> rapidshare works ok if and only if you only need one file 14:52:41 <fjb> SmatZ: I'm considering ir. :-) 14:52:53 <SmatZ> fjb: great :) 14:53:09 <fjb> Most file at rapidshare are multipart. 14:53:25 <fjb> SmatZ: But I have some other projects to do first. :-) 14:53:37 <SmatZ> yes... I was downloading yesterday, and today I have 5 hours to wait ;_D 14:53:45 <SmatZ> fjb: everyone has :( 14:54:43 * fjb feels with SmatZ 14:54:53 <SmatZ> thanks :) 14:55:41 <Bjarni> <SmatZ> yes... I was downloading yesterday, and today I have 5 hours to wait ;_D <-- I take that as a "find somewhere else to host the file or I don't care about it" 14:55:42 <fjb> SmatZ: I'm working on an assembler for nfo. And I want to look into the signalling thing, but I have to understand more of the OpenTTD code first. 14:57:33 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:27 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B41.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:47 <SmatZ> Bjarni: I wonder where ";_D" came from :) problem is that I cannot let anyone to put the file somewhere else, it is direct link from one web-page ... 15:00:55 <SmatZ> fjb: now some questions from me :) what is "assambler for nfo"? and what "signalling thing" are you talking about, the PBS? 15:01:58 *** joosa` [~joosa@heh.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:21 *** joosa [~joosa@heh.fi] has joined #openttd 15:05:55 <fjb> SmatZ: PBS wozuld be the goal. But don't expect anything soon. And I really don't mind if anybody else is implementing a good new signalling system. 15:06:34 <fjb> And an assembler for nfo uses Mnemonics instead of hexcode to make grfs. 15:06:54 <SmatZ> thanks :) 15:07:55 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:06 *** eJoJ [~ejoj@89.10.29.181] has joined #openttd 15:11:42 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 15:11:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 15:14:35 *** elmex [~elmex@vpnwwwext.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 15:30:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> <SmatZ> yes... I was downloading yesterday, and today I have 5 hours to wait ;_D <- that's what you have dynamic IP for :p 15:32:02 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause3: SmatZ is ~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz (smatz) 15:32:05 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:06 <SmatZ> I don't :) 15:32:31 <Eddi|zuHause3> unfortunate choice of words 15:32:36 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 15:35:15 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: [...] that's what you have dynamic IP for :p <-- yeah.... you can take over somebody else's IP ban or download penalty 15:35:23 <SmatZ> :_D 15:36:16 <Bjarni> I was once banned due to something like that (the ban rejection stated the reason... surprisingly enough) 15:36:40 * Bjarni has a dynamic IP that works kind of like a static IP for a month or so before it changes 15:37:07 <Bjarni> sometimes it changes once every 24th hour and sometimes I keep the same for ages 15:37:55 <Bjarni> I guess that's the dynamic part... you will never know when to get a new one 15:38:29 <Bjarni> the funny thing is that my ISP decided to give me two IPs, both dynamic 15:38:42 <Bjarni> so now I have one for the router and one for [unused] 15:39:25 <Bjarni> do anybody have an idea of what I should do with the unused one? 15:40:04 <Bjarni> I can only use it if I bypass the router but then the router will be unable to do QoS on my line 15:40:49 <Bjarni> so it should be something that is meant to have it's own IP but shouldn't use bandwidth.... 15:51:48 <HMage> IP that doesn't use bandwidth? 15:58:59 <fjb> Bjarni: IRC? :-) 16:00:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> well, if one dynamic IP is banned, there's always the next one... 16:01:08 <dihedral> i once had an isp in the uk that gave me a subnet for free :-) 16:01:26 <dihedral> was a /29 - but none the less :-) 16:04:05 <SpComb> IPv4 addresses don't actually cost anything, but they're a limited resource and so people can generally charge money for them 16:04:36 <SpComb> getting your own billion-address IPv6 block is easy, but it's just not been deployed very wide-spreadedly 16:09:03 <dihedral> could punkbuster be used for ottd? <-- i assume this is a silly question due to my lack of knowledge on how pb works 16:09:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 16:10:11 <skidd13> dihedral: Hmm IIRC punkbuster and friends are not OS independant... and not GPL compatible 16:11:39 <fjb> dihedral: Is cheating really a problem in OpenTTD network games at the moment? 16:13:23 <skidd13> All these anti cheat tools work because they are closed source and because there are only few versions of one game avilible 16:14:07 <Tefad> meaning it's not very useful if everyone compiles their own. 16:14:51 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.broadband.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by Peer Gynt] 16:15:21 <SpComb> propertairy security (obscurity) 16:15:54 <SpComb> was there discussion earlier about some person having made a Java OpenTTD client that could play on a game server? 16:16:12 <dihedral> well - i know from ET that pb is available at least for win linux and os x 16:16:51 <dihedral> but i was thinking in the wrong direction, that is true :-P 16:17:11 <dihedral> unless of course pb could offer a unique id per computer :-P 16:18:17 <skidd13> even if there would be some connection. Who can assure that the connection between OpenTTD and the anti-cheat tool is not poisend 16:18:33 <skidd13> :%s /poisend/poisoned/ 16:19:07 <skidd13> :%s /poisoned/venomed/ 16:19:57 <fjb> Creating a sheat for OpenTTD needs some better understanding of the source. Even then the possibilities are limited or the patched client would always desync. 16:20:52 <SpComb> depending on how you define cheating, the only way to guard against it is to make the protocol such that you can't "cheat" it 16:21:17 <skidd13> fjb: Not realy there a few patches floating in the forums, which are client side only and might be counted as cheats 16:21:48 <SpComb> I gather that PB and friends work by checking that you're running the origional client executable 16:21:56 <SpComb> which would make them entirely unfit for use with OpenTTD 16:22:19 <fjb> skidd13: What do you mean? Copy and paste? 16:22:23 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 16:22:30 <skidd13> fjb: For example 16:23:08 <SpComb> the only way you could guard against that "cheat" is to have some restrictions of how many actions a client can do per time unit... 16:23:15 <fjb> I saw somebody using copy and paste in a network game. He desynct for more often than the other players. 16:24:37 <fjb> Some allowed actions are also anoying. Somebody tearing stations apart to their maximum size and then making a lot of mony with a handfull truck only travelling 3 tiles each.... 16:25:08 <SmatZ> yes... why limit these "cheats", when people can do much worse things without them 16:25:26 <SmatZ> also, I don't really thing "copy & paste" can be called a cheat 16:25:43 <fjb> Many nice features can be abused. 16:26:09 <skidd13> SmatZ: I don't think its a cheat too, but for some people it is 16:26:33 <fjb> You have no chance with a real network against this large station and short way thing, when the server allows really large stations. 16:26:54 <SmatZ> it is impossible to detect any kind of "cheats" ... if you limit actions per second, then the actions will be divided into more frames etc. 16:27:41 <SmatZ> fjb: yes, this is why admins and server rules are there :) 16:28:27 <fjb> SmatZ: Bad thing is if one of the admins is using this. 16:28:50 <SmatZ> if people don't like server, then they won't use it... 16:29:44 <fjb> I don't think the other players understood what his seaminly random stations in the middle of nowhere were good for. 16:30:00 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@h77n1-ud-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 16:31:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-171-87-247.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:33 <fjb> I needed some time to find it out. And I only had that time because I started late in that game and had to wait for money coming in while the other players were busy building things. 16:34:09 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@77.60.199.137] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:10 <SmatZ> the question is whether by using modified server is not violating GPL 16:34:30 <fjb> Why should it violate the GPL? 16:34:39 <SmatZ> if clients do not know about these modifications and they do not have sources available 16:35:18 <SmatZ> well... there were questions where using of a modified apache server forces the web owner to release his modified source codes 16:35:30 <SmatZ> because in fact, the clients are using GPLed software 16:35:43 <SmatZ> so all modifications should be public available 16:36:53 <glx> using a modified server is not distributing it 16:37:40 <SmatZ> glx you have to distribute source codes to everyone who uses the application 16:38:00 <SmatZ> I do not exactly now how this was solved, but GPL3 will probably be more strict about that 16:38:45 <stillunknown> GPL2 does not affect web applications (i think). 16:38:54 <stillunknown> Since binaries are not spread. 16:40:17 <fjb> And somedody cheating with a patched OpenTTD client doesn't distribute his client. At least not if his not too stupid. 16:43:30 <SmatZ> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5884172.html about GPL3 + web applications 16:43:47 <SmatZ> but it is rather old... 16:44:13 <dihedral> i was more thinking along the lines of banning with pb - but of course that was a nonsense thought of mine 16:45:50 <fjb> dihedral: You can hardly force people to install software on their computers that helps you to ban them. :-) 16:46:28 <dihedral> sure can :-) 16:46:44 <dihedral> just dont know if anything was available :-P 16:46:51 <dihedral> s/was/is 16:47:02 <dihedral> / 16:47:02 <fjb> You are working for the movie industry? :-) 16:47:26 <dihedral> ? 16:48:06 <fjb> Then you can force (or trick in) people to install almost everything on their computers, even root kits. 16:48:39 <dihedral> some et servers require you to be using pb, else you cannot connect 16:49:37 <dihedral> but i know that pb is closed source 16:50:05 <dihedral> and i doubt that pb could be used for banning 16:50:13 <dihedral> but it was at least a shot in the dark :-P 16:53:35 <fjb> There are many OpenTTD servers. I don't think many people would be using your servers if they would have to install something like that. Some even have problems installing grfs... 16:55:43 <dihedral> so - that aint my problem is it 16:55:59 <dihedral> as long as i keep 'griefers' away with something like that i am happy 16:57:00 <fjb> I fear you are also keeping most nice users away that way. 16:58:42 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.95.138] has joined #openttd 16:58:56 <dihedral> fjb: also not my problem 16:59:38 <dihedral> i have a bunch of blacklisted isp's in my firewall 16:59:57 <dihedral> which to be honest has already made a small difference 17:00:41 <dihedral> if that affects others (which it mostlikely does) well - there are enough servers out there 17:00:44 <fjb> I thought you like players using your servers... :-) 17:01:26 <Bjarni> that's a lie 17:01:44 <Bjarni> all admins sooner or later realise that players are nothing but problems 17:01:52 <dihedral> aye 17:02:00 <dihedral> at least those admins who care 17:02:16 <dihedral> i have seen enough servers where admins just are never present 17:02:16 <fjb> Ok, then let nobdy in. Just burn the energy. :-) 17:02:26 <Bjarni> we would make AI clients to prevent real players from demanding fairness on servers 17:02:30 <dihedral> fjb: the server is mainly there for myself 17:03:00 <dihedral> if i password the games i also have only a few players there 17:03:07 <Bjarni> <fjb> Ok, then let nobdy in. Just burn the energy. :-) <-- well... the game provides it's own coal and coal powered powerplants... I see no reason for stopping it 17:03:19 <dihedral> :-P 17:03:23 <fjb> I find it a bit boring to play alone sometimes. And I would be lost to play on four servers at once. 17:03:38 <dihedral> fjb: nobody forces you :-) 17:03:55 <dihedral> nobody has to show you a door in online games if you dont like them 17:03:58 <fjb> dihedral: I see, were are different. :-) 17:04:15 <dihedral> and never ever think that a player does an admin a favour 17:04:20 <dihedral> the games are there for the players 17:04:24 <dihedral> not the player for the game 17:05:23 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0403C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: BigBB] 17:05:26 <fjb> I have to admit that I'm feeling a bit frustrated when I had set up a server and nobody is using it. Why doing that work then? 17:05:54 <dihedral> fjb: it's even more work when people use it 17:06:04 <dihedral> you pay for more bandwidth in some cases 17:06:17 <dihedral> you want start wanting to keep the darn thing up to date 17:06:27 <dihedral> you want to make sure no idiots come in to ruin the game 17:06:33 <dihedral> excuse the word no 17:07:24 <dihedral> and you possibly start writing patches because the servers dont allow the administrative fun you'd like to have 17:07:32 <fjb> Then it's even less work to not set up a server at all. A non networked game ist enough for me alone. 17:07:50 <dihedral> if you have not noticed - i never play on my own servers 17:08:03 <Bjarni> they lag that much? 17:08:17 <fjb> dihedral: I didn't notice, don't know your servers that long. 17:08:19 <dihedral> lol 17:08:50 <dihedral> Bjarni: they only lag when max_ships is > 0 and some guy actually makes use of that 17:08:57 <dihedral> :-P 17:09:01 * dihedral slaps yapf for ships 17:09:16 <dihedral> and - no - yapf for ships has been disabled 17:09:31 <Bjarni> ships sucks 17:10:01 <Bjarni> they do so in real life too 17:10:13 <Bjarni> they suck in sea water to cool the engines 17:10:33 <dihedral> lol 17:10:38 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #openttd 17:11:39 <dihedral> fjb: i have about 1GB bandwidth every day just for ottd... 17:12:46 <Bjarni> I presume that is how much you actually transmit 17:12:54 <Bjarni> not a hard limit 17:13:08 <fjb> dihedral: I fear that would be much less if you start forcing people to install aditional software, espacilly when it somehow spies on the installed software. 17:13:09 <dihedral> Bjarni: i have not bw limit 17:13:24 <dihedral> fjb: i do not care if that is less 17:13:38 <dihedral> i care for 'quallity' and 'undistrubed' games 17:13:46 <dihedral> *undisturbed 17:13:57 <Bjarni> otherwise people who logs in at 22:00 might end up with a sign saying that they will have to wait until midnight because the bandwidth quota for the day is ussed 17:14:01 <Bjarni> -s 17:14:10 <dihedral> lol 17:14:19 *** LeviathNL [~thomas@z037133.its-s.tudelft.nl] has joined #openttd 17:14:23 <dihedral> i am on a 100Mbit link and have not bw limit 17:14:31 <Bjarni> that should specially suck if it happens in the middle of a game 17:15:01 <dihedral> if there were the case i would turn down net_frame_freq :-P 17:15:40 <fjb> Bjarni: You could enhace the protocol with some digital signature to identify people. I guess that is what you are looking for. 17:16:00 <Bjarni> ? 17:16:01 <dihedral> great fjb: it's opensource... 17:16:25 <fjb> Ofcourse it is. PGP is opensource, too. 17:16:31 <dihedral> unless of course all network communication went through a closed source blackbox 17:16:40 * dihedral slaps fjb 17:16:50 <fjb> You don't need a black box for it. 17:16:56 <dihedral> pgp generates certificats 17:17:06 <fjb> Yes, also ssh. 17:17:07 <Bjarni> /* please keep the next few lines a big secret. They are used to ban people who spoils the games and it will only work if it's kept secret how it works */ 17:17:13 <Bjarni> you mean something like that? 17:17:29 <dihedral> nice :-P 17:17:43 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has joined #openttd 17:17:47 <fjb> I meant digital signatures using cetificates, like ssl etc. 17:18:21 <Bjarni> you mean the server should be able to accept only ssl clients? 17:18:22 <fjb> And every played would have to get a certificate first before being allowed to play on that server. 17:18:29 <dihedral> yes - and i add _every_ public key in the world of every play to let them play on my servers 17:18:32 <fjb> Kind of. 17:18:37 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:47 <dihedral> and who sais i dont generate more than one key? 17:19:04 <Bjarni> fjb, I presume 17:19:25 <fjb> You generate certificates. And a ban would simply be e revocation of that certificate. 17:19:35 <dihedral> then i generate a new one 17:19:40 <dihedral> and another one 17:19:44 <dihedral> and perhaps 5 while i am at it 17:19:50 <Bjarni> we get the idea 17:19:57 <fjb> The server generates the certificates, not the player. 17:20:01 <dihedral> of course _you_ do Bjarni 17:20:07 <Bjarni> :) 17:20:20 <dihedral> fjb: and how does a player get his cert? 17:20:28 <fjb> The generating could be an automatik. 17:20:28 <dihedral> a web form? 17:20:41 <dihedral> for each server, or for the masterserver? 17:20:55 <fjb> He has to subscribe at your server and gets the certificate that way. 17:21:01 <fjb> Yes 17:21:07 <Bjarni> if the client discards his certificate how will the server know that it's an old user and not generate a new one? 17:21:21 <dihedral> and then gets baned, and subscribs again... 17:21:31 *** elmex [~elmex@vpnwwwext.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:37 <dihedral> base it on email address? well - a bunch of people have unlimited 17:21:49 * Bjarni has unlimited 17:21:49 <dihedral> base it on ip? back to the same problem 17:21:55 * dihedral too 17:21:57 <fjb> Nobody gets in without a certificate. and dihedral doesn't care for users not willing to subscribe. 17:22:07 * dihedral slaps fjb 17:22:13 <dihedral> wake up dude 17:22:14 <fjb> use postident etc. 17:22:16 <Bjarni> well.. there is a limit... I only have one for every .qmail I have in my homedir 17:22:20 <Bjarni> so.... like 30 17:22:32 <dihedral> Bjarni: redirects...? 17:22:34 <dihedral> aliases 17:22:42 <dihedral> catchall? 17:23:00 <fjb> Think of something else. Not only an email address. 17:23:01 <Bjarni> they all end up in the same maildir (also in my homedir) 17:23:06 <Bjarni> but I can split them if I like 17:23:08 <fjb> Fingerprint maybe. 17:23:13 <Bjarni> it's just easier to join them 17:23:28 <Bjarni> and then my mail app can sort them based on the "to:" field 17:24:36 <fjb> dihedral: You were looking for a way to surly ban people without them simply rejoining under another name. Digital signatures are the only secure way. 17:24:37 *** elmex [~elmex@vpnwwwext.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #openttd 17:24:54 <dihedral> fjb: they are not going to work 17:25:01 <dihedral> not to 100% ban someone 17:25:23 * Bjarni knows a way 17:25:31 <Bjarni> ban *.de 17:25:37 <dihedral> turn the servers of or play sp 17:25:38 <Bjarni> or whatever 17:25:38 <fjb> Bjarni: we are listening. 17:25:48 <fjb> :-) 17:25:51 <Bjarni> it will ban too many people but it will work 17:26:59 <Bjarni> well 17:27:03 <Bjarni> there is another way 17:27:15 <Bjarni> make a central client box where you log in 17:27:42 <Bjarni> the server can then ask if you are you (the server will not get your central pw, only that you are logged in with your IP) 17:27:59 <Bjarni> and then we need to figure out some way of maintaining that user database 17:28:11 <Bjarni> like it will likely have to be manually controlled 17:28:35 <Bjarni> by whoever we can trust and fool into spending ages of time on it 17:29:04 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:15 <Bjarni> the servers should then log everything so a client can be backtraced if something goes wrong 17:29:24 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 17:29:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 17:29:26 <Bjarni> like 1/4 of the land turns into water 17:30:23 <dihedral> Bjarni: do a certificate system where people have to 'donate to openttd' for a cert :-D 17:30:29 <dihedral> 10$ minimum :-P 17:30:46 <Bjarni> the server can then give out a savegame of the game start and a log file so all clients can be tracked 17:31:01 <Bjarni> dihedral: that's actually the best idea that I have heard so far 17:31:08 <dihedral> :-) 17:31:13 <dihedral> i mentioned it a few times 17:31:17 <dihedral> months ago 17:31:22 <Bjarni> if people wants to spoil games over and over then they will have to pay over and over 17:31:29 <dihedral> ;-) 17:31:33 <dihedral> i actually like it 17:32:04 <Bjarni> we need a backdoor for our own people 17:32:09 <dihedral> and of course it's easy to find out if a cert was signed by a certain ca 17:32:10 <Bjarni> read: I don't have paypal 17:32:43 <fjb> Use the credit card number instead. :-) 17:32:51 <Bjarni> err 17:32:53 <dihedral> well - that is the easiest thing to work around if you have access to the ca cert 17:33:03 <Bjarni> I don't have a credit card that openttd.org will accept 17:33:16 <dihedral> you take a cheque? 17:33:19 <dihedral> :-P 17:33:33 <fjb> Bjarni: Then you are not allowed to play on dihedral's servers. :-P 17:33:34 <dihedral> Bjarni: implement it - fast - for release of 0.6 :-P 17:34:01 <dihedral> fjb: i think i could read code well enough to allow certain ip's :-P 17:34:16 <dihedral> besids - i doubt Bjarni plays that much 17:34:26 * fjb knows how to spoof ips. 17:35:08 <dihedral> fjb: yes - but will tcp packets get routed back to you - NO 17:35:14 <dihedral> tada 17:35:25 * dihedral feels like slapping someone 17:35:28 <dihedral> :-P 17:35:51 <Bjarni> <dihedral> besids - i doubt Bjarni plays that much <-- I don't play online because it's always spoiled by lamers 17:36:01 <fjb> Who need the answers of a ip connection? Just play blind. TTD is much too easy anyway... 17:36:30 * dihedral nearly feels like ignoring someone :-P 17:36:33 <Bjarni> we should make it harder 17:36:57 <dihedral> Bjarni: yes - an options tab: specify your own calculations for: 17:37:12 <dihedral> chances of indu in/decrease 17:37:15 <dihedral> ... 17:37:31 <dihedral> actually - basecost modifyer .grf is pretty helpful in making games harder 17:37:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.5.15.251] has joined #openttd 17:38:01 * fjb liked Ammller's modifier more. 17:38:11 <Wolf01> hello 17:38:25 <Bjarni> I don't like the interface in SimuTrans but the economy model and cargo destinations works quite well 17:38:35 <Bjarni> maybe we should be inspired 17:38:44 <dihedral> fjb: the base cost modifyer is by ammler 17:38:59 <fjb> dihedral: Then I liked it. 17:39:16 <Bjarni> liked? as in past tense... now you dislike it? 17:42:12 <fjb> Bjarni: No, I still like it. But I guess most of the other players didn't. 17:42:39 <fjb> One click, 22 million... :-) 17:43:09 <fjb> 22 million to pay ofcourse. 17:43:11 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:18 <fjb> Oh, hi Wolf01 17:43:40 <dihedral> @seen Sacro 17:43:40 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Sacro was last seen in #openttd 15 hours, 31 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Sacro> alright, you got me there 17:43:42 <dihedral> :-) 17:43:57 <dihedral> join me :-P 17:44:26 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@81.140.95.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:41 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:55 <fjb> dihedral: Who should join you? Sacro? 17:47:45 * dihedral bets Bjarni got it... 17:47:52 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:14 <Bjarni> huh? 17:48:33 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 17:49:03 <Bjarni> I was just being serious 17:49:15 <Bjarni> and by serious I mean that I put IRC in the background 17:49:30 <Bjarni> I know it's a horrible thing to do but that's what I did 17:49:54 <Bjarni> and now I have to figure out what I got 17:50:04 <fjb> Bjarni: Be ashamed. :-) 17:50:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r11527 /trunk/ (10 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: Split the bitmath functions of to their own files 17:51:08 <fjb> dihedral: Why are you using some incompatible grfs at once on your servers? 17:51:24 <Bjarni> to harass the clients 17:51:32 <dihedral> fjb: what are you talking about?? 17:51:56 <dihedral> i did not set the grf's at least not for the current games 17:54:06 *** Gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has joined #openttd 17:54:24 <Gege> good day 17:54:33 <fjb> The north american train set and the tropic refurbishment set together in tropic climate is not a good idea. So is using the noth american set and the uk sets together in tempearte climate not the best thing to do. 17:54:39 <fjb> Hi Gege 17:54:48 <Gege> i found a bug in the openttd 0.5.6 openttd console 17:55:13 <glx> 0.5.6 doesn't exist 17:55:27 <Gege> i dont try the 0.6 17:56:22 <dihedral> funny guy 17:56:34 <dihedral> fjb: like i said - i did not set the grf's for the current games 17:57:19 <dihedral> anyway - i am off 17:57:22 <dihedral> enjoy 17:58:21 <fjb> dihedral: You could tell it to your admin to corrct it for the next games. 17:58:27 <fjb> Bye dihedral 18:00:14 <dihedral> yes - fjb: i dont need hints on what and how to communicate things to my fellow admins... :-) 18:00:24 *** Aerandir [~magic.pow@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:00:31 <dihedral> anyhow - have a nice evening 18:06:45 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:07:31 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:18 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:15:02 *** Osai^Kendo [~Osai@pD9EB6947.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Osai^Kendo] 18:17:52 <fjb> How is the town grows calculated for towns in the desert? Du the have to just get water and food, or is it import how many stations in the town get the water and food deleivered to? 18:17:52 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:18:27 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:20:17 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has joined #openttd 18:23:17 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5B41.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 18:23:40 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-38.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:37:53 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:37:59 *** SERVEPRO [~SERVEPRO_@71.114.48.3] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:12 <Sacro> 'ning 18:49:31 *** Gege [~jo-reggel@static-81-17-185-44.dunaweb.hu] has quit [] 18:52:04 <Sacro> public static string RemoveSpecialCharsExceptQuoteAmpersandApostropheOpenBracketCloseBracketCommaHyphenFullStopCommaForwardSlash (string p_string) 18:52:20 <hylje> ye olde 19:01:51 <SmatZ> yum yum coconut bar in milk chcolate ... 19:02:09 <Belugas> Bounty! 19:02:27 <hylje> a coconut and milk chocolate walked into a bar.. 19:02:41 <SmatZ> almost Bounty, cheaper, but tastes the same 19:02:45 <SmatZ> :-D 19:03:06 <hylje> i suppose its name is "Coconut bar in milk chcolate" 19:04:25 <SmatZ> Mister Choc : Mini-Cocos 19:04:44 <SmatZ> from Lidl :-/ 19:04:55 <SmatZ> http://www.privatbankar.hu/cikk-kepek/minden_kokko400.jpg 19:05:10 <Belugas> slurp 19:05:13 <Belugas> miam miam 19:05:31 *** blathijs_ is now known as blathijs 19:05:56 *** Farden [~jk3farden@AMontsouris-156-1-8-181.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:06:12 <SmatZ> :-) 19:06:44 <hylje> om nom nom 19:07:52 <Sacro> yay lidl 19:08:44 <SmatZ> I am shy from it 19:09:47 *** elmex [~elmex@vpnwwwext.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:38 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:58 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:12 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 19:11:33 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-158-57.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:21:31 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 19:23:35 *** Peakki [antti@cs181247045.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:24:28 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r11528 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix (r11500): With smooth economy enabled, industries that should only decrease production would always increase it when more than 60% was transported. 19:24:46 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@ip-62-143-77-30.1311A-CUD12K-02.ish.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:25:26 *** Stoffe [~mirc@h2n2fls308o838.telia.com] has joined #openttd 19:28:30 *** Rotonen [~jorponen@kumkvatti.hut.fi] has left #openttd [] 19:46:27 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:49:31 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 19:58:58 *** Sacro` [Ben@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:59:13 <Sacro`> damn KC 19:59:36 <Belugas> yummy KFC 19:59:45 <Prof_Frink> karoo! 19:59:45 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 20:00:15 <Bjarni> ! 20:01:15 <Gonozal_VIII> http://www.uibk.ac.at/uniclub/taetigkeit/karoo.jpg <-- karoo? :S 20:01:23 <Prof_Frink> ✠20:01:31 <Bjarni> ¿ 20:02:25 <Gonozal_VIII> trillian can't decode those signs :-/ 20:02:41 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-39-241.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:54 <Bjarni> 20:03:11 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78996.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:03:11 *** Sacro` is now known as Sacro 20:03:26 <Gonozal_VIII> [21:01:23] Prof_Frink: â  œ 20:03:26 <Gonozal_VIII> [21:01:31] Bjarni: à ¿ 20:03:42 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: You UTFail-8 20:03:58 <Gonozal_VIII> i know, trillian irc plugin can't do that 20:04:21 <Prof_Frink> How fail of it. 20:05:00 <Maedhros> boo. it seems i fail at utf-8 too 20:07:07 *** Bjarni changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.5.3, 0.6.0-beta1 | Website: *.openttd.org (DevBlog: blog, Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, NightlyArchive: archive, WIKI: wiki, SVN mailinglist: maillist, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 encoding is mandatory in this channel | And please, no YouTube.com Posting 20:07:28 <Gonozal_VIII> pffff :P 20:08:17 <Bjarni> ok I better go check and see if people follow the channel rules 20:08:35 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Load up charsetwars.pl 20:08:56 <Bjarni> what's that? 20:08:59 <Bjarni> and where? 20:09:08 <Bjarni> besides there is no war in here 20:09:10 <Maedhros> irssi.org, by the sounds of it 20:09:17 <Bjarni> we have a pretty simple rule 20:09:48 *** svippery [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:09:54 <Bjarni> oops 20:10:09 <Bjarni> I wanted a new tab in firefox, not Xchat :| 20:11:00 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 20:11:31 <Bjarni> found it 20:11:45 <Bjarni> but... what should I do with it? 20:11:52 <Bjarni> you really want me to script ban people using a wrong charset? 20:12:13 <Prof_Frink> Well, give them three strikes ;) 20:12:14 <Gonozal_VIII> O_o 20:12:29 <fjb> Today is banning day... 20:12:45 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: you are mean 20:12:59 <Bjarni> I see no reason to ban Gonozal_VIII 20:13:06 <Bjarni> within the next 5 minutes 20:13:23 <Bjarni> besides scripting are for lazy people 20:13:31 <Bjarni> it's not like IRC is meant to be efficient 20:13:43 <fjb> Scripting take the fun out of banning. 20:13:51 <fjb> takes 20:14:33 <Bjarni> but maybe I should script logging of typos so I can ban people who fails to live up to our high standard 20:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r11529 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) 20:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-11-26 21:13:37 20:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by fukumori (1) 20:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed, 2 changed by arnaullv (3) 20:14:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed by habell (1) 20:14:41 <Prof_Frink> | Typos *will* lead to bans | 20:14:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 fixed, 1 changed by glx (2) 20:14:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 fixed by lorenzodv (1) 20:14:53 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Great minds... 20:15:07 <Maedhros> which high standard is that then? :-P 20:15:20 <Bjarni> like when people leaves the u out of colours 20:16:03 * fjb is nonstandard anyway. 20:16:46 <Bjarni> I bet fjb use a gauge of 1337 mm on his railroad 20:17:07 <fjb> Yeah. :-) 20:18:21 <Prof_Frink> Pfft 20:18:24 * Sacro installs VS9 20:18:30 <Prof_Frink> Standard gauge is 7px. 20:18:46 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A7CBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:18:56 * Sacro fancies going to a caf? 20:19:06 <Prof_Frink> s/caf/pub/ 20:19:20 <Sacro> mmm, could go to 'spoons 20:19:40 <Prof_Frink> Also, when's openttd going to understand I run on a GNU box? 20:19:47 * Bjarni gives a warning to Sacro for making typos in pub 20:20:16 <Maedhros> why should it care whether it's a GNU box or not? 20:20:31 <Prof_Frink> Well, it says quit to UNIX 20:20:39 <Bjarni> ahh 20:20:39 <SmatZ> making typos in pub? 20:20:44 <Prof_Frink> And GNU's Not Unix Not Unix Not Unix... 20:20:49 <Bjarni> [21:18:55] * Sacro fancies going to a caf? 20:20:49 <Bjarni> [21:19:06] <Prof_Frink> s/caf/pub/ 20:21:16 <fjb> Linux is not UNIX. I'm voting for changing that line on Linux. 20:21:50 <hylje> Linux is not UniX 20:22:03 <Prof_Frink> Or just "Quit to desktop" for a platform-agnostic message 20:22:20 <fjb> Which desktop? :-) 20:22:30 <SmatZ> if Linux was named Minus, then it would be Minux 20:22:39 <SmatZ> etc. 20:22:53 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: edit AskExitGame() in intro_gui.cpp line 120 to add whatever you think should be there 20:22:53 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: Unlilely, Tannenbaum would have a fit. 20:23:05 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: what if you aren't using a desktop? 20:23:07 <Bjarni> and add the string to lang/english.txt as well 20:23:11 <Sacro> what if you run it in a framebuffer 20:23:29 <SmatZ> *Linus 20:23:43 <fjb> Linux started as a copyright violation. 20:23:49 <Prof_Frink> *Tanenbaum 20:24:36 <fjb> Prof_Frink: Don't make typos. :-) 20:24:45 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Not a typo. 20:24:53 * Bjarni adds a warning point to Prof_Frink 20:24:54 <SmatZ> *Unlikely 20:25:03 <Gonozal_VIII> tannenbaum is a valid word, that's a tree :-) 20:25:12 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: OK, that one was 20:25:24 <Sacro> oh tannenbaum oh tannenbaum 20:25:27 <Bjarni> several words are valid words 20:25:30 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: Yeah, but it's not the guy who invented Minix 20:25:46 <Bjarni> butt wee should still use the right word :P 20:26:00 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:26:01 <Sacro> wie grÃŒn sind deine blatter 20:26:08 <fjb> Bjarni: Don't make typos. :-) 20:26:14 <Prof_Frink> My hovercraft is full of eels. 20:26:21 * Sacro sniggers 20:26:27 <Sacro> rofl... butt wee 20:26:53 <Bjarni> those are valid words..... it changes the meaning of the sentence but they are valid words 20:27:13 <hylje> its one thing to be valid 20:27:18 <hylje> another to make sense 20:27:22 <Prof_Frink> Much like... Your all gay. 20:27:26 <Bjarni> that's my point 20:27:40 *** Prof_Frink was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [incorrect statement] 20:27:48 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5aca7d32.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:58 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: I was referring to the website 20:28:03 <Prof_Frink> yourallgay.com 20:28:04 <SmatZ> "Your all gay" - "I am gay of all of you" 20:28:13 <Bjarni> oh 20:28:15 <hylje> your 20:28:21 <Prof_Frink> Sacro knoweth. 20:28:36 <Bjarni> I don't know gay websites so I had no idea 20:28:40 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: you're 20:29:45 * Bjarni picks up a machine gun and fires typo penalty points at everybody 20:29:51 <Bjarni> your spelling sucks :P 20:30:11 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 20:30:26 <Bjarni> hi bob 20:30:37 <bob27> hi 20:30:38 <Bjarni> everybody say hi to bob 20:30:42 <bob27> ok? 20:30:49 <Gonozal_VIII> hi to bob 20:31:15 <hylje> rob 20:31:30 <Bjarni> hylje: no that's the thing we do to him after saying hi 20:31:30 <fjb> Hi bob 20:31:38 <Bjarni> keep the order! 20:31:44 <bob27> what the? 20:32:47 * Maedhros ponders adding an "Exit to Linux" option 20:33:08 <Maedhros> except the only sensible macro i can think of to choose with is "__GLIBC__", and that doesn't mean you're running Linux 20:33:15 <hylje> exit to X 20:33:23 *** oh [~oh@c96F5BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Quit: oh] 20:33:49 <Prof_Frink> hylje: As Sacro said earlier, you might be running on a framebuffer 20:33:54 <Bjarni> does it make sense to use that many different strings instead of "quit the game" or "quit to desktop"? 20:34:26 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B78996.pool.t-online.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:34:39 <Prof_Frink> Maedhros: Check output of uname? 20:34:46 <Bjarni> we started with 2, then 3, then 4 and nobody wanted to make a change to other platforms at that time when porting 20:35:01 <Bjarni> maybe it's time to do something a bit more simple 20:35:16 <fjb> better "Quit the game" 20:35:26 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Seconded 20:35:31 <Prof_Frink> Except 20:35:46 <fjb> "Quit to real life" 20:35:51 <Bjarni> http://paste.openttd.org/316 <--- I mean... instead of extending this if elif cascade... 20:35:51 <fjb> :-) 20:35:51 * Sacro just lost the game :( 20:35:53 <Prof_Frink> That would mean you would lose The Game every time you exit openttd 20:35:55 <SmatZ> Doom had nice quit messages... like "Do you dare to quit the game?" "Beware, there is a demon somewhere"... or os 20:35:56 <Sacro> grab the file from Doom? 20:36:02 <Sacro> SmatZ: damn you :p 20:36:04 <SmatZ> :-D 20:36:07 <hylje> Prof_Frink: why not 20:36:55 <Bjarni> "are you sure you want to quit this game? Your {inset name of vehicle type the player has most of} needs you" 20:37:13 <Gonozal_VIII> alpha centauri :D 20:37:25 <Prof_Frink> I think "Are you sure you want to cancel not leaving the game?" 20:37:29 *** thgergo [~Administr@dsl51B789A7.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 20:37:56 <Bjarni> how is the quit message in Alpha Centauri? 20:37:58 <fjb> :-) 20:38:34 <Gonozal_VIII> something like the line you wrote... "..the drones need you" 20:38:40 <Bjarni> heh 20:38:44 <Bjarni> copycats 20:38:47 <Bjarni> they stole my idea 20:39:22 <Prof_Frink> "Don't leave me... It's scary in here..." 20:39:27 <fjb> Bjarni: Are you related To Michael Blunck? 20:39:36 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, they stole it 8 years before you had it... bastards! 20:39:37 <Bjarni> I sure hope not 20:40:11 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> yes, they stole it 8 years before you had it... bastards! <--- ever studied temporal mechanics theory? 20:40:11 <fjb> He always tells people that he had the same idea long ago and he invented everything. :-) 20:40:32 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@ti0140a340-0088.bb.online.no] has joined #openttd 20:40:33 <bob27> Are you sure you want to cancel the quiting proccess potentialaly exposing yourself again to the dangers of watching the ai play for too long? 20:40:37 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Can you fix my time machine? 20:40:44 <Bjarni> <Prof_Frink> "Don't leave me... It's scary in here..." <-- this could be the line to use if the client has no vehicles 20:41:05 <Prof_Frink> "When you go, the UFOs come..." 20:41:26 <Bjarni> we should write all of those ideas down and then use a random one of them each time 20:42:16 <fjb> Or we should add it to the tread "You know you played to much OpenTTD when..." 20:42:34 <Bjarni> no 20:42:45 <Bjarni> adding it to the final 0.6.0 would be way funnier 20:42:54 <Bjarni> and.... I can do that :D 20:42:59 <SmatZ> :-D 20:43:11 <Gonozal_VIII> please don't go the drones need you ... they look up to you... <-- that's the line in alpha centauri 20:43:35 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: "Time wasted this session: <> Total time wasted: <>" 20:43:52 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has joined #openttd 20:44:09 <fjb> Bjarni: Go ahaed. :-) 20:44:21 * Bjarni actually considers doing this 20:44:28 <bob27> please do 20:45:12 <bob27> it would be funny 20:46:19 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Make it check the current date, and, if April 1st, disable "Yes" 20:46:35 <Bjarni> or move it when clicked 20:46:47 <Bjarni> the button that runs away from you 20:46:57 <SmatZ> :-D 20:47:08 <Bjarni> I once saw an app like that 20:47:45 <bob27> there's some virus that does that 20:47:45 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Yes. Normally it says something like "Are you gay?". 20:47:55 <Bjarni> it opened a window saying that the system crashed (copied the OS crash window) and when you moved the mouse closer than x pixels from the restart button, it started to move away from the mouse so you could never click it 20:49:08 <Bjarni> it was kind of like the same as the one that moved the menus in all apps around every time you clicked it 20:49:54 <Bjarni> so when you moved the mouse to file and you clicked the mouse button, it might move file to the far right and you actually clicked the menu that moved to the mouse location and it could be say options or edit 20:50:33 <Bjarni> we could do all sorts of stuff on the first of April 20:50:45 <Bjarni> how about.... shuffle the toolbar icons, but not the functions? 20:50:46 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:51:04 <hylje> .. 20:51:05 <fjb> Bad... :-) 20:51:09 <Gonozal_VIII> random sprite mix 20:51:10 <hylje> april fools sillyness? 20:51:36 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: I have it. 20:51:43 <Gonozal_VIII> planes that look like flying houses and stuff like that^^ 20:51:48 <Prof_Frink> Every climate -> Toyland 20:51:56 <Bjarni> LOL 20:52:15 * Bjarni takes notes 20:52:23 <Gonozal_VIII> that would be too evil Prof_Frink 20:52:34 <Bjarni> that's why I take notes 20:52:55 <bob27> ill be back 20:52:56 <Bjarni> it earns him an evil point for saying something like that 20:52:56 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has left #openttd [] 20:53:12 <Bjarni> <bob27> ill be back <-- that one could be used as a quit message as well 20:53:34 <Bjarni> I like how he reacted to us greeting him 20:53:40 <Prof_Frink> Maybe disable with `openttd --ok-stop-i-give-up-just-let-me-play-without-gouging-my eyes-out` 20:53:41 <Bjarni> we should do so again next time he shows up 20:53:50 <Gonozal_VIII> the ai could write words with train tracks or roads into the landscape 20:54:16 <Bjarni> all road vehicles drives backwards 20:54:35 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: s/road / and you're onto something there 20:55:13 <fjb> :-) 20:55:23 <Bjarni> it would be too tricky with trains :( 20:55:38 <Gonozal_VIII> mirror the sprites? 20:55:42 <Prof_Frink> Just reverse each vehicle in the consist 20:56:07 <Prof_Frink> Gonozal_VIII: No need to mirror, just use the > sprite when moving <, etc 20:56:07 <Bjarni> some GRF files are buggy and then it looks horribly when mirroring each unit 20:56:21 <Bjarni> like they don't turn the sprite at the centre 20:56:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i59F7E435.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:40 <Bjarni> I already coded this feature but we got a bug report on it due to this issue 20:57:36 *** |Bastiaan| [~kvirc@ip87-205-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:58:12 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm could you let all vehicles ignore track/terrain restrictions and drive through grass and water? 20:58:16 <Prof_Frink> Or, just see if openttd's being run as root, then send some login details to bjarni@openttd.org 20:58:46 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: it already does that at all dates so adding that to the first of April makes little sense 20:59:39 <Bjarni> ohh... now I got a new idea: random popup window saying "WARNING: windows detected on your computer" 20:59:39 <Prof_Frink> Oh, on April 1, send it to ballmers@microsoft.com 21:00:07 <Bjarni> maybe as the newspaper headlines 21:00:19 <Gonozal_VIII> then on 1. april your trains woul leave the tracks and make some circles around the map before they return to where they left track 21:00:21 <Prof_Frink> Subject: "Developers Developes Developers" 21:02:38 <fjb> Bjarni: I the feature disabled that lets vehicles go backward? Some never train sets are stating to use it. 21:03:13 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:03:24 <Bjarni> hi bob 21:03:28 <Bjarni> everybody say hi to bob 21:03:33 <SmatZ> lol 21:03:33 <Gonozal_VIII> hi to bob 21:03:35 <bob27> oh god. 21:03:38 <SmatZ> hi bob 21:04:21 <Belugas> hi bob 21:04:24 <Prof_Frink> 'Lo bob. You have pie? 21:04:31 <Belugas> welcome in our humble channel 21:04:51 <fjb> Hi bob 21:04:57 <dihedral> :-) 21:05:41 * dihedral will go to bed now... 21:05:47 <dihedral> night 21:05:53 <Gonozal_VIII> night 21:05:56 <Bjarni> night 21:06:08 <Prof_Frink> night 21:06:15 <fjb> noght 21:06:20 <Prof_Frink> fail 21:06:29 <fjb> night 21:06:34 <fjb> better? 21:06:38 <bob27> Prof_Frini: i have apple pie in the fridge 21:06:39 <Prof_Frink> yaarp. 21:06:49 <Prof_Frink> Want pie now. 21:07:15 <bob27> umm, it's kinda hard to stuff pie down phone lines. 21:07:44 <Prof_Frink> PIE! 21:07:55 <Prof_Frink> When come back, bring pie. 21:08:00 <Prof_Frink> Wanker. 21:08:07 <Maedhros> good night 21:08:19 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:08:23 <fjb> good night 21:08:29 <Gonozal_VIII> night 21:08:35 <Prof_Frink> g'night 21:08:41 <SmatZ> night 21:08:42 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-133-71-38.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:08:47 <fjb> day 21:09:44 <Bjarni> <bob27> umm, it's kinda hard to stuff pie down phone lines. <-- scan it and send it to Prof_Frink 21:09:57 *** BigBB [~BigBB@p5B0409D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:10:12 <Prof_Frink> Are none of you aware of the works of the mighty Jonti Picking? 21:10:19 <Gonozal_VIII> with one of the new 3d scanners 21:10:22 <Prof_Frink> I know Sacro is. 21:10:22 <fjb> A digitized oie? Then Prof_Frinkneed an analoger. 21:10:26 <fjb> pie 21:10:53 <Sacro> mein ginger fuhrer! 21:11:09 <Gonozal_VIII> ? 21:11:18 <Prof_Frink> We need a more efficient way of transferring pie over the 'net. 21:11:27 <Prof_Frink> Some kind of pie-to-peer protocol 21:12:16 <bob27> hmm, maybe one day I'll get rich off of that, or should I make it open source? 21:12:36 <Prof_Frink> bob27: Pies are always better with sauce. 21:12:45 <Bjarni> open source 21:12:53 <Bjarni> or would that be open sauce? 21:12:54 <Gonozal_VIII> open sauce 21:13:06 <Bjarni> hah I beat you to it :P 21:13:07 <bob27> nice 21:13:09 <Bjarni> by one sec 21:13:13 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Nope 21:13:23 <Gonozal_VIII> open sauce pie-to-peer protocol :-) 21:13:23 <Bjarni> [22:12:53] <Bjarni> or would that be open sauce? 21:13:23 <Bjarni> [22:12:54] <Gonozal_VIII> open sauce 21:13:34 <Prof_Frink> I beat you by nine. 21:13:50 <SmatZ> !seen peter1138 21:13:56 <SmatZ> @seen peter1138 21:13:56 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 10 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, 22 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <peter1138> _minime_, looks good to me 21:14:07 <fjb> Gonozal_VIII: Make an rfc. 21:14:21 <Prof_Frink> Did someone send peter1138 a WoW trial? 21:14:27 <SmatZ> lol 21:15:06 <Prof_Frink> SmatZ: It's not a joke. Why do you think ttdpatch has been at beta9 for so long? 21:15:29 <SmatZ> :-D 21:15:57 <Belugas> let say that peter1138 is on a sabatic workload ;) 21:16:20 <Belugas> anyway, we have some kind of a new non-proclamed leader... 21:16:28 <Prof_Frink> Or is it because of SpBot? 21:17:21 <SpComb> lies, falseties and besmirchment 21:19:37 * Sacro besmirches sm 21:19:42 <Sacro> argh 21:20:28 *** skidd13 is now known as Guest372 21:20:37 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5308.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:01 *** Guest372 [~skidd13@p548A7CBB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:02 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 21:26:41 *** G [~njones@202.154.150.91] has joined #openttd 21:28:26 *** G_ [~njones@202.154.150.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:07 *** bob27 [~Robert@adsl-75-33-69-219.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38:46 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 21:40:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B51DE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:43:06 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> what is a pie to pee protocol? 21:53:22 <Gonozal_VIII> that's when you give pie to a guy called peer 21:53:34 *** ufoun [~ty@b07-305a.kn.vutbr.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:47 <Prof_Frink> peer is a bastard 21:53:56 <Gonozal_VIII> :O 21:54:01 <Gonozal_VIII> my name is peer! 21:54:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> notice the missing "r"? 21:54:57 <Eddi|zuHause3> that was intentional ;) 21:55:13 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: I dunno, it's normally a beer to pee protocol 21:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah, that's why i find it hard to imagine a pie to pee protocol... 21:56:53 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause3: Well, if it was a steak and ale pie with *lots* of gravy 21:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> err... 21:57:34 <Gonozal_VIII> is gravy that stuff where you extract gravity from? 21:57:48 <Eddi|zuHause3> sorry, i cannot imagine a proper reply to that in a foreign language... 22:00:48 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB6947.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:14 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-209.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:46 <fjb> First I didn't like sub-tropic climate. But now I think it looks kind of cute. The houses are looking much nicer than the the houses of the temperate climate: http://www.myimg.de/?img=TropicExpress11Jun194b97c0.png 22:14:31 <Bjarni> I don't like the standard trains 22:14:42 <Bjarni> they all have nearly the same top speed 22:15:00 * fjb is using the tropic refurbishment set. :-) 22:15:16 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5308.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [ZZZzzzz.] 22:15:18 <Bjarni> aka I wouldn't play it without using newGRF 22:15:42 <fjb> People seam to like always the same topspeed. Most don't like the limit wagon speed option. :-( 22:15:49 <Gonozal_VIII> the more newgrfs the better :-) 22:16:10 <fjb> Be care full of the combination of newgrfs... 22:16:22 <Gonozal_VIII> i test it a lot for my games 22:16:29 *** Arpad [~Gali@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:30 <fjb> me too 22:16:33 <fjb> :-) 22:16:41 <Bjarni> how come there is only one newGRF file for toyland and it happens to change everything into Mars? 22:16:58 <fjb> What is toyland? :-) 22:17:00 <Gonozal_VIII> only one? i seem to remember more 22:17:08 <Bjarni> there is more? 22:17:13 <Bjarni> I can only remember one 22:17:19 *** ludde [~ludde@ua-83-227-238-252.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:17:48 <Bjarni> and when I tried it, it used toyland sound fxs and I stopped playing like a minute before I went crazy due to those sounds 22:17:58 <Bjarni> aka like 10 minutes into the game 22:18:09 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't play with sounds on anyways 22:18:11 <Bjarni> next time I tried it I muted the computer 22:18:17 * fjb never tried toyland. 22:18:45 * joosa will never try toyland 22:18:59 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:03 <Prof_Frink> fjb: Not even for the "Hmm, toyland, what's that like... Mine eyes! They burn! The goggles do nothing!"? 22:19:04 <glx> toyland sounds are funny :) 22:19:39 <glx> but landscape is an eye killer 22:19:44 <Bjarni> toyland is funny 22:19:46 <Bjarni> if muted 22:20:18 <Bjarni> my sister realised that it was a landscape for children and used it 22:20:25 <fjb> Prof_Frink: My eyes are bad enough without hurting them with toyland. :-) 22:20:34 <Bjarni> then she turned 10 and started using temperate maps 22:20:47 <Bjarni> considering toyland to be childish 22:20:52 <fjb> :-) 22:20:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B51DE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:23:01 <fjb> Girls that age start to feel grown up. 22:23:15 *** Arpad [root@tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:26:56 <Wolf01> 'night 22:26:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.5.15.251] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:32:22 *** Greyscale [~Greyscale@host81-152-79-231.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:00 *** divoafx [~divo.afx@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:30 *** |fjb| [~frank@p5485EBAE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:38:06 *** prakti [~prakti@port-213-148-152-8.static.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Quitting .... 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