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00:00:09 <fjb> I had some train collisions today... 00:00:12 <Bjarni> just press the ignore signal button 00:00:16 <fjb> :-) 00:00:39 <fjb> I'm toying with the new prealpha pbs patch. 00:00:48 <Bjarni> heh 00:00:51 <Bjarni> then you asked for it 00:01:12 <ln-> wouldn't it be a good idea that trains could randomly ignore signals sometimes? 00:01:16 <fjb> Yes, but besides that it is great fun. 00:01:47 <fjb> Hm, a drunken driver emulation? I would vote for car acccidents. 00:02:19 <Bjarni> ln-: well... if they do that then the risk should be greater if you place the signal in a poor location like in a curve where the train is close to the signal before being able to see it 00:02:21 <ln-> Drunken, tired or driving-in-fog. 00:02:52 * Bjarni knows a few not well placed signals 00:03:00 <Wezz6400> car accidents, aren't busses bad enough for you? 00:03:06 <fjb> I'm up for an accident component in the game. 00:03:13 <Bjarni> they all have a signal in front of them telling if there is a permission to pass it or not though 00:03:17 <Bjarni> due to visibility 00:03:27 <Gonozal_VIII> planes crash, rvs get hit by ufos and trains... trains and ships need accidents 00:03:32 <ln-> fjb: Because nowadays the disasters are something like airplane crashes, road vehicle & train collisions, but trains *never* collide without human player interaction. 00:03:35 <fjb> Busses only get run over by trains sometimes. That gets boring. :-P 00:04:02 <fjb> Or with a prealpha pbs patch... :-) 00:04:13 <Bjarni> at one time one guy decided on enabling ships to sink 00:04:17 <fjb> But the workings parts of the patch are great. 00:04:27 <Bjarni> he stopped before even coding a single line 00:04:34 <fjb> Oh, a ship sinking patch? 00:04:34 <Wezz6400> trains get accidents 00:04:36 <Bjarni> he realised that he didn't even have sinking sprites 00:04:45 <Gonozal_VIII> just remove the instant stop at red signals... enough crashes then :-) 00:04:47 <Wezz6400> every time I'm trying to change tracks without stopping traffic 00:05:13 <fjb> Wezz6400: You need more experince in changing the tracks. 00:05:24 <ln-> Wezz6400: what part did you not understand in "without human player interaction"? 00:05:35 <Bjarni> besides ships hitting each other would kill both... really bad as they aren't aware of each other 00:05:38 <Wezz6400> ln- I read over it :X 00:05:40 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe he's not human 00:05:41 <ln-> "[not] without..." 00:05:45 <Bjarni> so it would happen all the time 00:05:49 <Wezz6400> fjb heh yeah well sometimes I screw up ;) 00:06:50 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:07:50 <fjb> I had patchday today. I mixed the pbs patch and the passenger destination patch into r11838. 00:08:36 <Bjarni> and then you expect me to solve all issues overnight, right? 00:08:48 <Bjarni> you are a funny guy 00:08:49 <fjb> Ofcourse. 00:09:03 <Bjarni> also you complain whenever something goes wrong 00:09:09 <fjb> Why did you fix them all by now? 00:09:26 <fjb> I always complain, you should know. 00:10:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:17:57 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 00:21:47 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:23:34 *** Boah [~boah@80-193-52-189.cable.ubr07.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:24:17 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 00:25:14 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:25:25 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host217-44-219-169.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 00:31:00 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493D749.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:35:34 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 00:37:25 *** Boah [~boah@80-193-52-189.cable.ubr07.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:50:01 <Sacro> @seen Tekky 00:50:01 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Tekky was last seen in #openttd 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Tekky> dh2k3: I did that and I had no trouble. 00:50:21 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:50:37 <roboboy> gmorning 00:55:55 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N753P029.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:59:28 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.106.168] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 00:59:30 *** roboboy is now known as robobot 01:00:38 *** robobot is now known as roboboy 01:05:15 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 01:05:56 <fjb> Does going bankrupt in single player mode have any effect? 01:06:25 <Sacro> fjb: yes, you fail it 01:06:44 <roboboy> all your tracks get ripped up 01:07:00 <roboboy> and you get sent to the title screen 01:07:23 <fjb> No, I only get a box telling me that everything got sold. But I don't see anything else happen. 01:07:40 *** HendikinsAtWork [~wolfoxout@vg28.vodafone.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:07:46 * HendikinsAtWork pads in 01:09:21 <HendikinsAtWork> Now to play ottd at work 01:10:27 <Sacro> HendikinsAtWork: skiving 01:11:14 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-119.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:41 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N735P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 01:15:18 <HendikinsAtWork> Sacro: I don't have enough work to do 01:15:56 * HendikinsAtWork puts his feet up and announces a train 01:17:15 <Gonozal_VIII> announce it wrong... platform as far away from the right one as possible 01:20:51 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:02 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 01:24:34 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: i like doing that on simsig :p 01:25:15 * Bjarni waits for HendikinsAtWork to announce that the railroad lost a train 01:25:22 <Bjarni> lost as in they don't know where it is 01:25:55 <Gonozal_VIII> stupid action colours 01:26:07 <Sacro> Bjarni: done that too 01:26:19 <Bjarni> hehe 01:26:28 <Bjarni> the railroad here did it in real life 01:26:43 <Bjarni> and not only that they also told the passengers why they cancelled the train 01:26:59 <HendikinsAtWork> Bjarni: And that would not be a normal day how? 01:27:02 <Bjarni> now they all has GPS... I wonder why :p 01:27:12 <HendikinsAtWork> And my duty manager is fascinated by ottd :P 01:27:55 <Bjarni> I tried something odd yesterday 01:28:17 <fjb> Bjarni: Did you try to be polite? 01:29:16 <Bjarni> I showed up to a meeting (planning meeting regarding the vintage trains) and when I entered like 30 people had already showed up. They talked but stopped when I entered 01:29:21 <Bjarni> and they all just stared 01:29:31 <Bjarni> at me and the other guy who just entered 01:30:07 <Gonozal_VIII> palconvert doesn't remove water cycle? 01:30:12 <Sacro> Bjarni: wearing a dress? 01:30:16 <Bjarni> turns out that it was the high visibility jackets that resulted in that reaction 01:30:31 <Bjarni> but... we all have those... so it's not like they haven't seen them before 01:30:48 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77D8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:30:48 <Bjarni> I was like wtf... why that reaction? 01:32:18 <Bjarni> the reason for wearing them was that we went to check out something regarding a wagon we had at the station on the way to the meeting and then because we spent too long we hurried to the meeting without taking them off 01:32:38 <Bjarni> but it's odd to enter a room and then everybody stops talking 01:33:18 <Gonozal_VIII> can't talk about you behind your back, if you're right in front of them 01:35:17 <Bjarni> so you mean that they all talked about me before I showed up? 01:35:21 <Bjarni> I don't think so 01:37:15 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B74C9F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:38:39 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 01:55:01 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB59C9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:04:28 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 02:04:50 <Gonozal_VIII> got rid of the action colours :D 02:17:28 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@62.243.161.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:38 <Gonozal_VIII> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/0.png 02:19:43 <Gonozal_VIII> looki 02:19:49 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 02:20:32 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: zomg simutrans 02:21:19 <SmatZ> it looks like stone age 02:21:32 <Gonozal_VIII> stone age :S 02:21:32 <SmatZ> stone rails, stone roads 02:21:42 <Gonozal_VIII> that's transrapid track^^ 02:21:54 <SmatZ> :) 02:22:02 <Gonozal_VIII> and the roads are from european roadset 02:22:14 <Gonozal_VIII> and the terrain is from newterrain 02:22:20 <Gonozal_VIII> and the water is from newwater 02:22:29 <Gonozal_VIII> and the trees are from stolentrees 02:22:30 * fjb has an almost working pbs. :-) 02:22:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 02:22:37 <Gonozal_VIII> yay pbs 02:22:45 <SmatZ> and depots are from newdepots :-D 02:22:52 <Gonozal_VIII> nope 02:23:03 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the transrapid depot 02:23:54 <Gonozal_VIII> took me forever and some days more to get all of that to work together^^ 02:24:32 <Sacro> Gonozal_VIII: PBS? 02:24:34 <Sacro> zomgwhere? 02:25:05 <Gonozal_VIII> are you ignoring fjb? 02:25:05 * fjb is using PBS right now. 02:25:44 <SmatZ> Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) 02:25:51 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 02:26:00 <Sacro> pubic broadcasting service? 02:26:30 <fjb> We are broadcasting to the public on this chanel. :-) 02:26:33 <Gonozal_VIII> my grfcollection grf has now 999 sprites^^ 02:26:50 <fjb> :-) 02:26:55 <Gonozal_VIII> no action 7s or redundancy 02:27:20 <Gonozal_VIII> well... some redundancy because buffers didn't want to work otherwise 02:28:13 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes misaligned bridge ramp 02:28:27 <fjb> And I'm having fun with the new PBS. It's great to have signals only where they would be in reality. 02:28:48 <Gonozal_VIII> trunkify! 02:29:14 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:29:59 <Sacro> fjb: does it work for bidi? 02:30:04 <fjb> But the patch is still prealpha quality. Trains tend to lock them selfs into the depots, fearing the world outside. 02:30:11 <fjb> Yes 02:30:26 <Gonozal_VIII> default red? 02:30:33 <fjb> Default is red. 02:30:36 <Gonozal_VIII> depots have presignal entry built in, bad 02:30:39 <fjb> Like it should be. 02:30:45 <Sacro> zomg orly? 02:31:12 <fjb> Depots are a problem, maybe bridges and tunels, too. 02:31:35 <Gonozal_VIII> change the virtual signal in the depot to pbs 02:31:57 <fjb> I just play around with it. It is definitly not ready for a serious game yet. But it is really fun to wath. 02:32:11 <fjb> watch 02:32:12 <Sacro> yes, hopefully it is quite tweakable too 02:32:22 <Sacro> i want to get yellow signals and double yellow too 02:32:32 <Sacro> maybe allow 2,3,4 aspect on differing lines 02:32:42 <Gonozal_VIII> what is yellow and double yellow? 02:32:58 <Sacro> double yellow means next signal is yellow means next signal is red 02:33:09 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 02:33:42 <fjb> You mean real presignals, not what TTD calls presignals. 02:34:13 <Sacro> err... 02:34:18 <Sacro> not really presignals, but yeah 02:35:17 <Gonozal_VIII> depending on what the pathfinder does with that information 02:35:41 *** HendikinsAtWork [~wolfoxout@vg28.vodafone.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:39:01 *** Belugas_Gone is now known as Belugas 02:48:49 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-059-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:52:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> http://gonozalviii.go.funpic.de/OpenTTD/0.png <- that looks awfully close to an escher drawing... 02:53:12 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 02:54:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i removed the bridge ramps because they would destroy the illusion 02:54:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> they destroy the illusion anyway... 02:54:51 <Gonozal_VIII> why? it just goes from high to a bit higher 02:55:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> and a rail of same height underneath it... 02:55:37 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 02:55:51 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess i'll avoid situations like that 02:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> plus the bridge pillars are too low 02:56:19 <Gonozal_VIII> won't build complicated transrapid networks anyways 02:56:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> and the curves are definitely missing a supporting pillar 02:57:13 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-020-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 02:57:34 <Gonozal_VIII> well... i didn't draw that 03:00:53 <Gonozal_VIII> i think rvs will break the illusion even more, when they jump over the track at the crossings^^ 03:02:37 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe that looks straaange 03:04:10 <Gonozal_VIII> buuut i got the tracks working as good as i intended them to... now i can modify the dbset transrapid to run on them :-) 03:04:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> that shouldn't be difficult ;) 03:04:35 <Gonozal_VIII> i know 03:04:59 <Gonozal_VIII> just change a 2 to a 1... 03:05:45 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-020-158.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> err... more like 3... 03:05:49 <Gonozal_VIII> then i'll mess with the cargo table.. and then i'll find other stuff to do and won't play ever again... :-/ 03:06:08 <Gonozal_VIII> monorail is 1, maglev is 2 :-) 03:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> engine, passenger wagon, cargo wagon 03:06:17 <Gonozal_VIII> ok... 03:06:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> that makes 3 2s 03:06:40 <Gonozal_VIII> right, i need wagons too^^ 03:07:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> what would you possibly do without me?!? 03:07:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i would have noticed that eventually :P 03:07:28 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-60-200.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: BRB NATASHA LAWL] 03:08:09 <Gonozal_VIII> with the maglev wagons on narrow gauge rails^^ 03:10:14 * fjb would prefer a monorail maglev. 03:11:24 <Gonozal_VIII> i have the transrapid tracks on maglev and my maglev is narrow gauge 03:11:35 <Gonozal_VIII> monorail^^ 03:11:37 <Gonozal_VIII> blah 03:11:57 <Gonozal_VIII> i have the transrapid tracks on monorail and my maglev is narrow gauge 03:19:49 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 03:22:23 *** DeGhost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 03:31:02 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - 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but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 08:35:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 08:46:22 *** NoPride [~NoPride@dsl-202-72-182-158.wa.westnet.com.au] has quit [] 08:51:39 *** peter_ [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:51:52 *** peter_ is now known as peter1138 08:53:24 <Forked> good morning 08:53:29 <Forked> (thats a lie) 08:53:42 <peter1138> yes, it's terrible 08:53:50 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 09:12:01 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.223.39] has joined #openttd 09:13:46 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 09:33:31 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-232-31.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 09:34:53 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-66-136.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:10 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-76-109-66-136.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [] 09:42:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:46:17 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:18 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:48:09 *** Desolator [Desolator@82.79.223.39] has quit [] 09:59:21 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-232-31.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:59:26 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N924P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 10:06:35 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 10:09:42 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-232-31.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 10:14:07 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 10:22:01 *** Frostregen_ [~sucks@dslb-084-058-179-070.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:29 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/o/engines4.png :o 10:24:51 <Gonozal_VIII> you need to remove some lines from the serbian sets 10:25:13 <Gonozal_VIII> check for persistantengines and narrow gauge grf with parameter 4 10:25:59 <Gonozal_VIII> the first isn't important... but i don't like warnings^^ 10:26:17 <Gonozal_VIII> aaand.. when will that be in trunk? 10:27:43 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-111-102.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:28:11 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 10:44:27 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80519.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E27.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:16 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:47:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:47:38 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:47:43 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:13:49 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 11:17:38 <SmatZ> morning 11:18:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11846 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix [FS#1651]: implicit conversion from unsigned to signed int caused compilation failure with MSVC. 11:19:15 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:19:58 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 11:25:29 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm173.epsilon122.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [] 11:27:25 *** arfonzo [~art@poorcoding.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N924P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:08 <arfonzo> hi all, i have some questions about openttd.cfg that I don't seem to find answers to on the wiki: (1) restart_game_year = 0, is there an upper limit on the year, or does it really go on forever? (2) are the maximum values for max_companies 8 and max_clients 11? 11:32:46 <arfonzo> (i'm running 0.6.0b2, if it matters, thanks) 11:33:19 <peter1138> 1) forever, pretty much. you wouldn't want to play that far 11:33:20 <peter1138> 2) yes 11:33:36 <arfonzo> thanks peter1138 11:33:53 <arfonzo> why wouldn't it be a good idea to run infinite games? 11:34:40 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 11:35:09 <peter1138> no variety 11:39:12 <arfonzo> i see, makes sense 11:42:20 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493EE4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:42:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N924P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 11:44:06 <arfonzo> and if I'm running a dedicated openttd server in linux, where would i put/find the on_server_connect.scr? or, where should i make the scripts directory? 11:44:40 <arfonzo> just straight in the same directory where openttd binary is? 11:55:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F841.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:18 <peter1138> yes 11:59:17 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:27 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493EE4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:07:14 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn15-194.dsl.spy.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:11:42 <arfonzo> peter1138: how do I verify that on_server_connect.scr is actually being loaded? I've put a say "blah" in /usr/games/scripts/on_server_connect.scr, which doesn't seem to be doing anything 12:15:57 <peter1138> /usr/games/scripts? hmm 12:16:17 <arfonzo> yes I've got the .deb installation 12:16:19 <peter1138> it should be next to the data directory 12:16:22 <Digitalfox> Nice peter :) http://fuzzle.org/o/engines4.png 12:16:46 <arfonzo> hm 12:17:00 <arfonzo> ok, the wiki says to put it in the dir with the openttd binary 12:17:08 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@145.74.180.56] has joined #openttd 12:17:13 <arfonzo> let me try to put it with the data dir 12:17:39 <peter1138> i think it's only the .deb build that puts the binary in a different place 12:18:01 <peter1138> Digitalfox, enough sets? or shall i add more? 12:18:28 <Digitalfox> OH GIVE ME MORE... MORE AND MORE... o_O 12:18:34 <peter1138> dbg: [misc] [Pool] (Engine) increasing size of pool to 1472 items (394496 bytes) 12:18:35 <peter1138> heh 12:18:39 <peter1138> quite a few entries :D 12:18:51 <Digitalfox> I guess it's enought hehe ;) 12:19:13 <peter1138> that's just train sets 12:19:27 <peter1138> though there isn't much available for other transport types 12:20:04 <Digitalfox> yeah, now we just need some coders and artis willing to create bigger sets, or create a general train set, + expansions so it's still compatible with patch if they desire :) 12:20:11 <Digitalfox> *artists 12:20:29 <arfonzo> hm, peter1138 I've put scripts into /usr/share/games/openttd now, still nothing 12:20:50 <arfonzo> say "hi" in on_server_connect.scr will output something to the clients who connect, right? 12:21:34 <peter1138> should output to everyone 12:21:50 <peter1138> Digitalfox, *nod* 12:22:02 <arfonzo> hm ok, it's still not doing any output at all at the moment, strange 12:22:09 <Digitalfox> eh eh :) 12:22:33 <arfonzo> i've tried to put the scripts/ in ~/.openttd, /usr/games, and /usr/share/games/openttd now... am I missing something? 12:30:50 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 12:34:14 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c211-28-162-92.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: ThePizzaKing] 12:38:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F841.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F841.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:48:27 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 12:51:17 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-018-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:47 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:06:29 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 13:13:42 <arfonzo> peter1138: the issue's resolved if 0.6.0b2 is compiled from source, now all the scripts are executing 13:14:30 <peter1138> probably the 'compiled from source' bit did it, heh 13:15:14 <arfonzo> on another note, my client openttd's "find server" button doesn't seem to be doing anything today 13:15:24 <peter1138> i think the master server is down 13:15:26 <arfonzo> does thatmean the master server's down? 13:15:31 <arfonzo> ok, thanks 13:26:25 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@145.74.180.56] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:31:46 <orudge> it seems as if *.openttd.org (where * = eweka-hosted stuff) is down, indeed 13:31:50 * orudge shall poke TrueBrain 13:33:20 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N924P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:37:11 <arfonzo> how do i check what year it is via console of the server? 13:37:36 <peter1138> getdate 13:38:19 <arfonzo> thanks peter1138, is there a way then i can check more or less how long, say 60 months in the game is in real time? (I've set auto clean to 60) 13:38:30 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:39:15 <peter1138> 60 months is ~ 1800 days. a day is about 2 seconds, so basically, 1 hour 13:39:20 <peter1138> 1 month in a minute 13:39:51 <arfonzo> perfect, thanks 13:45:55 *** shodan [user@xerxes.foocode.net] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 13:57:17 <Sacro> @openttd commit 11846 13:57:36 <DorpsGek> Sacro: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 13:58:00 <Sacro> ah, svn might be down 14:00:02 *** LA[KoRn] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:04:10 <peter1138> svn up is, other stuff isn't 14:04:41 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has joined #openttd 14:04:50 <orudge> at the moment, we just have to wait for Patric to get back I guess 14:04:58 <rave> hello, what's going on? 14:05:14 <peter1138> svn up is? 14:05:15 <peter1138> errr 14:05:18 <peter1138> svn is up :p 14:08:35 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 14:08:59 <Draakon> ,hello 14:09:45 *** waldo_ [~waldo@ip-81-11-193-45.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 14:10:42 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:29 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-63-97.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:11:45 <LA[KoRn]> hello.. 14:11:53 <Draakon> hello 14:11:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:11:56 <murray> hi 14:12:23 <LA[KoRn]> Draakon: The game you gave me yesterday.. Is it online only? 14:12:49 <Draakon> Salvage? i think so, haven't tested it yet 14:14:27 <rave> openttd.org down? 14:14:45 <Draakon> seems so 14:15:41 *** Tino|Home is now known as TinoM 14:15:50 <rave> what source file contains the code for incrementing the date/year? 14:16:03 <Sacro> ooh i know this... 14:16:06 <Sacro> but I can't recall D: 14:16:20 <rave> can you think of a search string to help me find it? 14:16:46 <Sacro> hmmm 14:16:51 <Sacro> *thinks* 14:16:59 <Sacro> its somewhere near where i did my daylength patch 14:17:22 <rave> STR_MONTH 14:17:31 <Draakon> hmm 14:17:41 <Draakon> web based SVN log is up 14:17:45 <Draakon> but not the real site 14:18:02 <orudge> I guess Apache is down 14:18:51 * Draakon hopes it gets fixed soon 14:19:24 <waldo_> cant find any multiplayer inet games ... with the 'find server' button, used to work fine ... 14:19:41 <Sacro> waldo_: masterserver is down 14:19:43 <glx> IIRC TB planed to move his servers to another rack 14:19:58 <glx> but I don't know if he is doing it right now 14:20:14 <Draakon> TB? 14:20:24 <orudge> glx`: I've not heard anything 14:20:27 <peter1138> Tuberculosis 14:20:30 <waldo_> no weed and no TTD makes waldo go ...... something something 14:20:43 <orudge> I'd likely be warned before such things happen 14:20:44 <orudge> but ah well, he'll sort everything out later I guess 14:20:58 <Draakon> whole community should be warned IMO 14:20:58 <glx> but it may just be a server crash again :) 14:21:11 <orudge> well, hg.openttd.org seems to be working 14:21:14 <rave> why isn't openttd distributed with custom graphics files? 14:21:15 <orudge> (port 8000) 14:21:16 *** mikl [~mikl@0x5733cec6.bynxx19.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:23 <orudge> rave: because none have been made yet 14:21:24 <orudge> well 14:21:26 <rave> oh 14:21:27 <orudge> there's a project doing that now 14:21:28 <LA[KoRn]> rave: which ones 14:21:30 <orudge> which is doing quite well 14:21:49 <orudge> so OpenTTD 0.7 may well have its own set of default graphics 14:22:01 <LA[KoRn]> *may* 14:22:12 <orudge> hence the use of the word :p 14:22:17 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:19 <rave> has anyone tried contacting the rights owner for permission? 14:22:21 <Draakon> is hg.openttd located on a different server? 14:22:26 <Draakon> rave: no 14:22:31 <Draakon> i think 14:22:34 <LA[KoRn]> Zephyris calculated that if we get sprites as fast as we have been getting, we'll get ready by March 11 14:22:38 <LA[KoRn]> :P 14:22:44 *** helb_ [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 14:22:46 <Draakon> good news then 14:22:54 <orudge> Draakon: it's the same server, but a different process 14:22:59 <orudge> ie, it's not the same apache server as runs on port 80 14:23:04 <orudge> rave: if you mean for the standard TTD graphics 14:23:07 <Draakon> ok 14:23:10 <orudge> then people have been in contact with Simon Foster 14:23:29 <orudge> basically, the graphics are licenced to Chris Sawyer and/or Microprose/Atari/whoever (nobody knows these days) 14:23:35 <orudge> and distributing those is not possible 14:23:37 * LA[KoRn] changes his wifi network 14:23:43 <glx> I think only the main web server is down 14:23:55 <glx> (I can log in my dev space with ssh) 14:24:17 <Draakon> server has crashed perhaps? 14:25:36 *** LA[KoRn]_ [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:26:17 <orudge> then yes, it's likely to just be the web server 14:26:35 <orudge> and the master server too probably 14:28:26 *** lws1984_ [~lws1984@ip24-250-60-200.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:30:28 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-63-97.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:33 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:30:35 <Belugas> bomtedom 14:30:45 <yorick> looks like the masterserver's down again 14:30:56 <orudge> yes, indeed 14:31:03 <yorick> but not there is no truelight to fix it 14:31:07 <orudge> we have to wait for TrueBrain to sort it out, but he's away at the moment 14:31:42 *** LA[KoRn] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:31:55 <Draakon> orudge: you don't have rights to check whats wrong? 14:32:31 <yorick> not if he can't contact the server 14:32:54 <Draakon> ok 14:33:10 <Belugas> even then, i don't think orudge have some rights on that sever (although i can be mistaken) 14:33:15 *** lws1984_ is now known as lws1984 14:33:53 <yorick> Maarten's IP: nl.mine.nu :) 14:35:06 <orudge> Belugas: I don't at the moment 14:35:25 <orudge> I am supposed to be taking over duties over openttd.org, but haven't quite got around to sorting that out yet 14:35:44 <Belugas> quod erat demonstrandum 14:35:57 <Belugas> << or something in that line ;) >> 14:35:58 <Draakon> what that means? 14:36:15 <Belugas> it's latin 14:36:21 <yorick> yes we know 14:36:36 <yorick> erat = was 14:37:27 <glx> Belugas: CQFD ;) 14:37:38 <Belugas> yeah :D 14:38:02 <Belugas> "What needed to be demonstrated" 14:38:09 <Belugas> loosely translated 14:38:50 <Belugas> as i can see, at least glx has some good scholarship :) 14:39:02 * Belugas wonders what they teach kids nowadays :S 14:39:18 <orudge> they don't seem to teach them proper English, at least not in this country 14:39:27 * orudge grumbles and mutters and whatnot 14:39:40 <Belugas> lol 14:39:42 <Belugas> yeah :) 14:39:51 <yorick> they teach them latin, greek and french... 14:40:03 <yorick> and german 14:40:15 <yorick> in Holland 14:41:00 <Draakon> :( no good PBS patches out there 14:41:51 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 14:42:36 <Draakon> :S 14:43:02 <yorick> there is one 14:43:13 <yorick> but its a git-diff 14:43:26 <Draakon> http://tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35623 14:43:29 <Draakon> this one? 14:43:35 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:44:22 *** LA[KoRn]_ is now known as LA[KoRn] 14:44:50 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@145.74.180.56] has joined #openttd 14:45:15 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4163d.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:45:15 * Draakon compiles now 14:45:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 14:45:25 <rave> will towns ever build over your road in the default version of openttd? 14:45:34 <rave> I just noticed it's happening in my mod 14:45:36 * Draakon also goes and eats food so me is away now 14:45:40 <Belugas> default ? 14:45:48 <Belugas> please, be a little more specified 14:45:52 <Bjarni> build over road? 14:45:53 <rave> unmodified 14:46:04 <Belugas> rave... please... version? 14:46:06 <rave> if you build a road inside a town 14:46:12 <Draakon> belugas: i think he has patched game and he meant non patched 14:46:13 <rave> 0.5.3 14:46:20 <Draakon> rave: you have a patched game? 14:46:20 <rave> Draakon: correct 14:46:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r11847 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix: do not affect the speed a train is entering a depot by trackbits behind it 14:47:30 <Draakon> rave: im sorry but developers don't support patched games 14:47:57 <Bjarni> I think the question is more like how is it behaving in an unpatched game 14:47:59 <rave> I'm talking about the unpatched 14:48:08 <Bjarni> well... you could try yourself and see what happens 14:48:12 <SmatZ> lol 14:48:34 <SmatZ> town shouldn't be able to remove roads it doesn't own 14:48:42 * Belugas does not remember having seen nor heard that behaviour 14:49:07 <rave> to consolodate: in openttd 0.5.3 will a town's local authority ever build over a player's road network within the radius of the town e.g. with houses or land sloping? 14:50:06 <Belugas> they are not supposed to build a house over your roads, no 14:50:22 <Bjarni> do you mean ON the road or next to it? 14:50:28 <Belugas> they can expand their own road network over yours, yea 14:50:47 <Belugas> BUT! watch out for the magic Bulldozer cheat ;) 14:50:53 <SmatZ> yeah :) 14:50:58 <Belugas> if YOU can use it, THEY can too 14:51:03 <SmatZ> lol 14:51:09 <rave> ok thanks 14:52:03 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 14:52:13 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: HELP ME I AM A PENGUIN YET I HAVE NO BEAK ONLY MARSHMELLOWS] 14:53:57 * LA[KoRn] just watched videos about the X Noorte laulu- ja tantsupidu/ the tenth youth's Song and Dance festival 14:56:35 <Draakon> im back and my compiler just gave a error 14:56:49 <Draakon> looks like patch does not work 14:57:03 <rave> Draakon: staff don't support patches 14:57:11 <Bjarni> hehe 14:57:34 <Bjarni> Draakon: that should teach you to deal with patches from strangers 14:57:51 <Draakon> i was not asking about whats wrong or any similar doing, i just sayed 14:57:55 <Sacro> alas poor yorick! :D 14:58:27 <Bjarni> <rave> Draakon: staff don't support patches <-- there is an exception. If a developer made the patch then feedback is interesting 14:58:54 <Bjarni> but... I don't know what patch you guys are talking about but since it fails then it's not one from a developer ;) 14:59:07 <rave> haha 14:59:12 <Draakon> it may be, who knows 14:59:26 <Bjarni> you mean you don't know where it's from? 14:59:40 <Draakon> i do, i just saying 15:00:29 <Bjarni> that's the usual with users 15:00:48 * Belugas thinks Draakon likes saying a lot ;) 15:00:53 <Bjarni> they just say something without thinking it though and consider the consequences 15:00:55 <Draakon> hehe 15:01:28 <Draakon> i just needed to say something or this place looks like a ghost town 15:01:43 <Bjarni> ghost town? 15:01:58 <Belugas> in my case, i'm working. So of course, i'm not going to entertain the place 15:01:59 <Draakon> deserted then, if it is better 15:01:59 <Bjarni> you mean you consider yourself important enough to keep this channel alive? 15:02:05 <Draakon> no 15:02:18 <Draakon> i don't like empty IRC channels 15:02:23 <Bjarni> then you make no sense at all 15:02:28 <Bjarni> this channel is never empty 15:02:48 <Bjarni> I don't kick THAT many people 15:03:05 <Draakon> ok then, not active 15:03:13 *** mode/#openttd [-b music!*@*] by Bjarni 15:03:13 * yorick gets distracted by a virus-warning 15:03:24 <LA[KoRn]> /when one falls through the hand of Bjarni, three arise/ 15:03:36 <LA[KoRn]> :P 15:03:48 <Belugas> mhhh... 15:03:49 <Bjarni> hehe... forgot about the ban from yesterday 15:03:52 <Belugas> my leag scratches 15:04:01 * Belugas scratches his leg 15:04:07 <glx> Bjarni: what is the other ban? 15:04:48 <Bjarni> I don't think I have anymore active bans 15:05:05 <Draakon> hmm, if you banned someone yesterday how come /ban command shows only 10. January bans? 15:05:13 <rave> *!*@66-230-114-105-dsl-rb1.nwc.acsalaska.net [by cation.oftc.net, 321723 secs ago] 15:05:16 <rave> 15:06 -!- 2 - #openttd: ban *!*@e177120070.adsl.alicedsl.de [by cation.oftc.net, 321723 secs ago] 15:05:18 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 15:05:40 <Bjarni> those people are banned but I didn't do it 15:05:47 <Bjarni> so I can't say why they are banned 15:05:52 <Bjarni> but I guess they deserved it 15:05:56 <SmatZ> I see 3 bans from 25th December 15:06:01 * Draakon has to go now 15:06:04 <dihedral> hey Bjarni 15:06:10 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: bye] 15:06:10 <Bjarni> hi dihedral 15:06:16 <Bjarni> party time :D 15:06:28 <SmatZ> hello dihedral 15:06:33 * yorick scanns file online 15:06:44 <SmatZ> 98 nicks here :) 15:07:00 * yorick sees results: the ONLY virusscanner that gives a virus is the one I have 15:07:15 <dihedral> hello SmatZ 15:07:27 *** LA[KoRn]_ [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 15:07:27 <Bjarni> I banned a guy a few weeks ago because he started talking about home grown drugs and how to do it and wouldn't shut up or talk about something else 15:07:39 <Bjarni> I don't know why he isn't banned anymore 15:08:04 <dihedral> default timeout? 15:08:05 <glx> he is still banned 15:08:06 <Bjarni> SmatZ: 99 15:08:16 <glx> at least my client says so 15:08:21 <yorick> crazy virusscanner that identifies winlogon.exe(last modified: aug 2002) as a virus 15:08:23 <Bjarni> glx: no... it was a .ee domain 15:08:46 <glx> [01:55:25] Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] a mis le mode +b *!*chatzilla@*.range86-146.btcentralplus.com 15:08:46 <glx> [01:55:50] SpamCannon [~chatzilla@host86-146-225-24.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] a été kické(e) #openttd par Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50c79a03.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk]à: drugs are banned for a reason and I support that ban 15:08:58 <glx> (03/12/2007) 15:09:10 * Sacro sniggers, hehehe, spamcannon 15:09:23 <SmatZ> he is still banned 15:09:35 <Bjarni> hmm 15:09:51 <Bjarni> I don't get the ban reasons here 15:10:16 <rave> would the rights/licensing of ottd allow it to be part of a linux distro (with custom graphics files)? 15:10:50 <orudge> rave: there was a debate about that on the debian-legal mailing list 15:10:53 <orudge> google "debian openttd" 15:11:09 <orudge> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-legal@lists.debian.org/msg03139.html etc 15:11:39 <orudge> if we ignore the potential reverse-engineering issues, then there should be no reason OpenTTD couldn't be distribuetd 15:11:44 <orudge> if graphics and sound were replaced 15:11:53 <peter1138> orudge is going to make his employer buy all the rights 15:12:02 <Bjarni> hehe 15:12:16 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 15:12:16 <orudge> I might have to get quite pally with Steve Jobs for that to happen (assuming I were to get the gig in the first place) 15:12:44 <Bjarni> be careful... Scrooge McDuck will never buy something like that if there is no personal profits in it 15:12:47 <peter1138> orudge is the next CEO of apple 15:12:49 *** LA[KoRn] [~chatzilla@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:03 <peter1138> yeah, go work for google 15:13:03 *** LA[KoRn]_ is now known as LA[KoRn] 15:13:05 <peter1138> they'll buy anything 15:14:15 <orudge> ... or Microsoft 15:14:17 <orudge> >:3 15:14:40 <Bjarni> you want to sell yourself to the devil to gain ownership? 15:14:51 <orudge> not hugely 15:14:54 <orudge> but hey, if all else fails :p 15:15:03 <orudge> of course, OpenTTD would become closed-source and Vista-only 15:15:11 <orudge> and would require mandatory activation 15:15:12 * lws1984 dropkicks orudge 15:15:25 <orudge> maybe going after Jobs would be the better option after all 15:15:26 <Bjarni> MS has a vista problem 15:15:36 <lws1984> MS has many problems. 15:16:17 <murray> many has problems with MS 15:16:44 * lws1984 goes back to his xbox 15:16:45 <Bjarni> I read yesterday that in an interview with Bill Gates he was asked what was the poorest prepared MS product in the last 5 years and his reply was vague and indicated vista 15:17:39 * Bjarni looks it up again 15:17:53 <dihedral> there was no other release in the last 5 years 15:17:57 <arfonzo> i've been using vista for over a year now, i think it's a lot better than xp in a lot of ways 15:18:03 <arfonzo> to each his own, i guess 15:18:05 <LA[KoRn]> somebody, please suggest me a good free rts game :D I need it.. Right now! :P 15:18:18 <yorick> is dih's password manager still compatible with openttd 0.6.0-beta2? 15:18:19 <dihedral> rts/ 15:18:31 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@145.74.180.56] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 15:18:33 <dihedral> what password manager__ 15:18:34 <LA[KoRn]> arfonzo: I've been using Vista since August and I think it suc*s 15:18:36 <dihedral> ? 15:18:40 <arfonzo> LA[KoRn]: warzone 2100 is alright, kinda 15:18:48 <yorick> password manager patch you used @WWOTTDGD 15:18:54 <dihedral> heh 15:19:08 <dihedral> if you hash it yourself you can set a password 15:19:22 <dihedral> if you want to see an md5sum you can also get the currently set one 15:19:40 <dihedral> but that is about the next thing i will update 15:19:46 <yorick> I know how to convert md5's 15:19:52 <LA[KoRn]> arfonzo: I tried that once... on linux, it crashed very many times... 15:20:03 <dihedral> yorick: the passwords are hashed 15:20:07 <yorick> I know 15:20:17 <dihedral> and you will not get the original back 15:20:25 <yorick> would a patched server be compatible with unpatched clients? 15:20:40 <dihedral> yes 15:20:43 <arfonzo> LA[KoRn]: you should return it to the store and ask for a refund! 15:20:51 <dihedral> it only reads and sets the companies password variable 15:20:52 <dihedral> but 15:21:00 <yorick> dihedral: with an MD5, I can generate passwords that are compatible 15:21:06 <dihedral> no 15:21:15 <dihedral> hash is done with game seed and servers unique id 15:21:21 <yorick> hm 15:21:28 <dihedral> that's what i am saying 15:21:28 <yorick> that's less good 15:21:54 <yorick> any way to decrypt? 15:21:57 <dihedral> hence i want to get the hashing into the server, then company_pw on the server would work again 15:22:03 <dihedral> no 15:22:10 <dihedral> what do you think the hashing is there for 15:22:23 <yorick> can we still set a password 15:22:39 <yorick> ? 15:23:00 <yorick> if we know the game seed an server id 15:23:34 <dihedral> i just said - i would like to get the hashing into the server, then you can set again 15:23:55 <yorick> well... I just want to be able to move between companies unpassworded, and with unpatched clients 15:25:19 <yorick> because of the unpatched clients, I cant use the move patch 15:28:38 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:29:49 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has joined #openttd 15:30:13 <yorick> I know kirk douglas tried, but that was for evil purpose 15:30:16 <dihedral> back 15:30:36 <yorick> seen last message? 15:30:39 <yorick> well... I just want to be able to move between companies unpassworded, and with unpatched clients 15:30:41 <dihedral> if you only want to move inbetween unpassworded companies, you dont need my patch 15:31:30 <yorick> no, I want to move between companies without the need of asking the password 15:32:46 <rave> is DestroyTown() obsolete? 15:32:58 <dihedral> grep for it 15:33:40 <glx> good luck to adapt 0.5.3 code into trunk ;) 15:33:56 <SmatZ> :) 15:34:16 * Bjarni wonders why people still code for 0.5.3 15:34:30 <yorick> its the last stable 15:34:42 <dihedral> so 15:35:01 <glx> but we stopped support for it (ie won't release any bugfixes) 15:35:50 <rave> how far has it diverged from .5.3? 15:35:59 <yorick> very 15:36:01 <Bjarni> we switched coding language 15:36:07 <rave> to C++? 15:36:10 <Bjarni> from C to C++ 15:36:28 <murray> did it help? 15:36:29 <rave> did that affect performance? 15:36:39 <rave> obviously it helped for the code structure 15:36:41 <glx> compilation is slower 15:36:47 <Bjarni> well 15:36:49 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N924P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 15:37:07 <glx> code structure is the same :) 15:37:11 <Bjarni> we can now use C++ stuff in the code and some coders benefit a lot from it 15:37:16 <glx> but it is improved every day 15:37:26 <rave> oh wow 15:37:29 <rave> sounds terrible 15:37:36 <Bjarni> ? 15:37:38 <Bjarni> why? 15:37:40 <Gonozal_VIII> yay benefit and improve 15:37:46 <rave> C style code abusing C++ features 15:37:49 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes terrible 15:37:58 <Bjarni> abusing? 15:38:00 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes abusing 15:38:08 <dihedral> shush Gonozal_VIII 15:38:10 <dihedral> ^^ 15:38:14 <Bjarni> have you actually read the code? 15:38:27 <rave> no, I said "sounds" 15:38:32 <dihedral> read != understand 15:38:59 <rave> if it hasn't been updated to use classes then it sounds like the C++ switch was a bad idea 15:39:11 <murray> next step, C# in 0.7.0 ? 15:39:20 * Bjarni slaps murray 15:39:21 <rave> haha 15:39:28 <Sacro> C# is nice 15:39:28 <Bjarni> we are using classes 15:39:52 <hylje> c++ is awful 15:39:54 <Gonozal_VIII> rave, try to change everything to oo from one day to another 15:39:55 <Bjarni> but likely not as much as we would have been if we started with C++ 15:40:01 <hylje> just port ottd to python :-) 15:40:09 <dihedral> LOL 15:40:19 <murray> :p 15:40:24 <rave> Gonozal_VIII: try to learn to communicate in a productive way 15:40:49 <Gonozal_VIII> that was productive :P 15:41:01 <murray> ur mom is productive 15:41:02 <Gonozal_VIII> you would have to start from scratch to get everything oo 15:41:23 <glx> we use classes where they are useful 15:41:35 <Bjarni> yeah 15:41:42 <Bjarni> we don't use classes just to use classes 15:41:45 <rave> time to have a look 15:42:48 <rave> sql error on homepage btw 15:43:40 <glx> oh server is back 15:47:40 <orudge> ah, good 15:49:35 <peter1138> hmm, classes :D 15:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> some code could use classes but doesn't... 15:50:38 <Gonozal_VIII> vehicles 15:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> instead it simulates virtual function calls by function pointers 15:50:53 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:51:02 <pavel1269> hi 15:51:06 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 15:51:27 <Belugas> and we start using MEMBERS too, but with class 15:52:19 <peter1138> vehicles use classes 15:52:46 <peter1138> hmm, that reminds me 15:52:56 <Gonozal_VIII> nice 15:53:04 <Gonozal_VIII> i'm afraid to read the code... 15:53:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> let me guess, you have a patch somewhere ;) 15:53:15 <Gonozal_VIII> it's so much.. 15:53:23 <peter1138> hehe 15:53:36 <Belugas> Gonozal_VIII, it's only the fact there is so much to read 15:53:46 <Belugas> don't get scared by the volume 15:54:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> get scared by the templates ;) 15:54:12 <Gonozal_VIII> complicated too i guess 15:54:49 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:55:17 <rave> is NPF better than NTP? 15:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> use YAPF 15:55:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> except for ships 15:55:36 <glx> yes and YAPF is better than NPF 15:56:03 <glx> don't use NPF for ships either :) 15:59:17 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 15:59:22 <Draakon> hi im back 15:59:36 <Draakon> hi im back 16:00:00 <Gonozal_VIII> you were gone twice? 16:00:24 <Draakon> when? 16:00:39 <Gonozal_VIII> [16:59:20] Draakon: hi im back 16:00:39 <Gonozal_VIII> [16:59:33] Draakon: hi im back 16:00:44 <Draakon> ah 16:01:00 <Draakon> i thought when i typed first one i wasnt in the channel 16:02:25 <glx> you have so much lag that you didn't see the first one? 16:03:06 <Gonozal_VIII> you can have lag with your own text? 16:03:14 <rave> local lag 16:03:18 <Draakon> http://paste.openttd.org/430 16:03:47 <glx> Draakon: you said it twice in this log 16:03:55 <Draakon> the topic and joining notification come when i said my first hi 16:03:59 <rave> before he recieved the join message 16:04:02 <Draakon> coma after* 16:06:58 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:10:19 <yorick> http://www.openttd.org/server_detail.php?id=14981 O_O 16:11:12 <Gonozal_VIII> 0.4.0.1 :-) 16:11:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11848 /trunk/ (18 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: New class-based drop down list functionality. Lists are now dynamically generated, and can include parameters, or be extended however needed. 16:11:43 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, he really had a patch lying around 16:12:03 <Gonozal_VIII> sounds nice 16:12:08 <yorick> :) 16:12:26 <Draakon> hey 16:12:28 <dihedral> peter1138: that is a neat one ^^ 16:12:37 <Draakon> openttd.org is back 16:12:39 <Draakon> :) 16:12:49 <yorick> we know 16:13:07 <Draakon> what happend to the server anyway? 16:13:09 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5240.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:13:14 <Draakon> happened* 16:13:22 <mcbane> zombies sandbox r9976 ^^ 16:15:05 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:06 <dihedral> hellp skidd13 16:15:11 <dihedral> *hello 16:15:15 <skidd13> Hi dih 16:15:30 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has joined #openttd 16:15:39 <Draakon> hello skidd13 16:15:59 <LA[KoRn]> hello Skidd15 16:16:01 <skidd13> Hi folks 16:16:31 <Gonozal_VIII> hello skidd15 16:16:37 * skidd13 pats LA[KoRn] on his head... It's ok... I know you are not able to count :P 16:16:38 <scia> ello 16:16:52 <Draakon> lol 16:17:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:23 <LA[KoRn]> what about Gonozal_VIII then? 16:17:25 <LA[KoRn]> :P 16:17:40 <skidd13> LA[KoRn]: just copy and paste :D 16:17:48 <LA[KoRn]> nope 16:17:55 <LA[KoRn]> I had Skidd, he had skidd 16:18:15 <Gonozal_VIII> and i was the one who brought up the skidd15 thing^^ 16:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> hello s[tab] 16:19:19 <scia> and thats how tablature was invented 16:19:21 <LA[KoRn]> s[tab] -> S 16:19:33 <LA[KoRn]> :P 16:22:50 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 16:23:11 <orudge> openttd.org has been switched (back) to lighttpd 16:23:16 <orudge> if anyone notices any problems, please say 16:23:34 <Draakon> will do 16:24:11 <LA[KoRn]> aaah problem.. not anyway related to openttd though 16:24:35 <Gonozal_VIII> everything is related to openttd 16:24:41 <LA[KoRn]> nope 16:24:48 <Gonozal_VIII> it is! 16:24:53 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 16:25:08 <Draakon> nop 16:25:19 <LA[KoRn]> well.. perhaps you are right.. geeks tend to make connections everywhere 16:25:52 <Draakon> example: when my cousin dies, it is related to openttd too? 16:26:09 <mcbane> if he/ahe is hit be train yep. 16:26:15 <mcbane> ahe == she 16:26:34 <Gonozal_VIII> or if he died outside... wouldn't have happened while playing openttd 16:28:35 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A5240.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 16:29:49 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know of anybody who died while playing openttd 16:30:00 <Gonozal_VIII> openttd makes you immortal! 16:30:56 <LA[KoRn]> well, you see the pr.....aarggghhhh..hh..h. 16:31:17 * LA[KoRn] died while playing OpenTTD 16:31:22 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 16:31:23 <Belugas> RIP 16:31:38 *** LA[KoRn] is now known as LA[resurrected] 16:31:49 <Gonozal_VIII> you should draw some graveyard sprites for yourself^^ 16:32:04 <LA[resurrected]> :P 16:32:23 * Belugas tracks down the zombied LA[resurrected] and returned it to the grave 16:33:30 <LA[resurrected]> haha you think to threaten me? I'm immortal now, I played OpenTTD.. Oh, what's thi... aaaaaaa.... a crucifix.... aargh 16:33:49 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.138] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:09 <Digitalfox> Since I'm not a native English language person, sometimes some sentences don't make sense to me.. So in simple words what does this means " New class-based drop down list functionality. Lists are now dynamically generated, and can include parameters, or be extended however needed. " ? o_O 16:34:29 * dihedral waves hello to Belugas 16:34:44 *** pm|work is now known as planetmaker 16:34:54 <Gonozal_VIII> what part of it do you not understand? 16:35:32 <Digitalfox> Well drop down, does it mean the GUI? 16:35:48 <LA[resurrected]> Digitalfox: I think it has something to do with being capable to do some coding, not gameplay-affecting 16:35:49 <Draakon> yes 16:35:55 * Belugas waves back at waving dihedral 16:35:56 <Gonozal_VIII> drop downs are in the gui, yes 16:36:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11849 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown_type.h: -Fix (r11848): Incomplete(?) class broke MSVC/mingw compilation 16:36:17 <LA[resurrected]> you can ask peter1138 16:36:20 <pavel1269> :) 16:36:23 <dihedral> does Fix mean you removed it again? ^^ 16:36:34 <pavel1269> :D 16:36:39 <Belugas> no... that is Revert 16:36:47 <Belugas> Fix means... fixed ;) 16:36:55 <Digitalfox> I'm going to check for comments in the code to se if learn something about this :) 16:37:00 <pavel1269> sometimes fixed == reverted :P 16:37:30 <Belugas> not in this context, but true sometimes 16:37:45 <Gonozal_VIII> after a commit like: "added a bug that breaks the game" ? 16:37:49 <peter1138> bah, wrong commit message, never mind :p 16:38:15 <pavel1269> Gonozal_VIII: yup :) 16:38:18 <pavel1269> :o) 16:38:43 <LA[resurrected]> hmm.. you devs ever wanted to revert back some thousands of revisions and then make people confused for the lack of features? :P 16:39:04 <pavel1269> ... :) 16:39:15 <Gonozal_VIII> release tto as 0.6.0 final^^ 16:39:19 * Sacro could release t1 :P 16:39:22 <Sacro> err 16:39:22 <Sacro> r1 16:40:02 <Bjarni> I have r122 16:40:04 <LA[resurrected]> if you aint got final 0.6 till 1. April, you might try that :P 16:40:06 <Bjarni> of the old server 16:40:23 <Bjarni> beats your modernised version :p 16:40:39 <peter1138> blahdeblahdeblah 16:40:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11850 /trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r11848): forgot to update vc project files 16:40:45 <Bjarni> I don't know why I should release it though... I can't even compile it :P 16:41:00 <Sacro> Bjarni: r1, from ludde's cvs 16:41:16 <peter1138> meah 16:41:30 <Bjarni> here is a question: why should we care? 16:41:49 <rave> if (t->fund_buildings_months && dist <= 25) return 4; 16:41:52 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has left #openttd [] 16:42:18 <rave> anyone know what that does in GetTownRadiusGroup? 16:42:59 <Gonozal_VIII> it returns 4 16:43:07 <rave> what does 4 signify? 16:43:10 <Gonozal_VIII> if t->fund_buildings_months 16:43:18 <Gonozal_VIII> and dist <= 25 16:43:21 <Gonozal_VIII> :-) 16:43:50 <Gonozal_VIII> look where it's called and what happens to that 4 16:44:07 *** planetmaker is now known as planetmaker|procrastinating 16:44:59 <LA[resurrected]> bbl 16:45:10 *** LA[resurrected] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 16:45:40 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:49:06 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-121.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 16:49:07 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest3133 16:49:07 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 16:51:43 <mcbane> ahe == she 16:51:56 <hylje> :o 16:52:01 *** asjfabdasj [~Gonozal_V@N942P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 16:52:02 *** Gonozal_VIII is now known as Guest3134 16:52:02 *** Guest3134 is now known as Guest3135 16:52:02 *** asjfabdasj is now known as Gonozal_VIII 16:52:03 <mcbane> grr 16:52:06 <mcbane> sorry 16:54:39 *** orudge is now known as orudge` 16:54:42 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 16:54:46 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 16:54:53 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.34] has joined #openttd 16:56:05 *** Guest3133 [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-121.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:56:49 *** Guest3135 [~Gonozal_V@N924P005.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:50 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has joined #openttd 16:58:54 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 16:58:59 <Draakon> hello 16:59:31 <Draakon> what assertion error is this: owner < OWNER_END on players.cpp line 277? 16:59:59 <Belugas> rave, strangely enough, there are only 4 radius zones in towns... 17:00:04 <Belugas> i wonder if there is a relation :S 17:00:48 *** Mark20 [~Mark@vnc.streamservice.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:52 <Belugas> Draakon, how do you read it? in the context of the function, that is... 17:03:31 <Belugas> mmh... lunch time 17:03:33 <Belugas> miam 17:04:06 <rave> Belugas: but what is the relationship between if the town is funded for building and radius zone 4? 17:04:14 <Draakon> well i will sent a screenshot but dont know how do make one while error is in the way 17:05:08 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:02 *** Spitfireleet [~Samuel@host86-133-4-41.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:06:31 <Belugas> Draakon, i have not asked for a screenshot. I've asked : how do you read the assert, what is its use 17:06:49 <Belugas> rave, it is a bit evident. Look where the result is used 17:07:19 <Draakon> one momento belugas 17:10:16 <Spitfireleet> hi all, does this make sense? "OpenTTD is an open source port of the Chris Sawyer game Transport Tycoon Deluxe to C using a disassembly of the original game binaries." how does one do such a thing? 17:10:34 <Belugas> with the right tools 17:10:45 <Spitfireleet> *sigh* 17:10:47 <Draakon> This is what i did: loaded up a savegame, started demolishing a piece of land with town buildings in it and then i get assertion error: C:\Program Files\OpenTTD\openttd.exe 17:10:48 <hylje> by being ludde 17:10:49 <Draakon> ups 17:10:50 <Belugas> and a lot of patience and skills 17:11:00 <orudge> indeed 17:11:04 <Spitfireleet> i mean by coding and such 17:11:18 <orudge> well 17:11:23 <orudge> you sit and disassemble the original binary 17:11:26 <orudge> figure out what it all does 17:11:29 <orudge> and then rewrite it in C 17:11:34 <orudge> which is a pretty big task, really. 17:11:51 <Draakon> File: /compile_farm/openttd/nighly/compile.../players.cpp 17:11:52 <Draakon> line: 277 17:11:54 <Draakon> owner < OWNER_ENDS 17:12:14 <Spitfireleet> i thought the original was a closed source, so it would be pretty much impossible to port over 17:12:28 <Dominik> but in the case of ttd a lot of the binary was already commented, which made it a bit easier then doing it from scratch 17:13:55 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:14:21 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:16:25 *** GoneWacko^ [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:16:25 *** GoneWacko^ is now known as gonewacko 17:17:20 <Sacro> Spitfireleet: you can port from binary to assembler quite easily afaik 17:20:45 *** gonewacko is now known as GoneWacko 17:20:45 <Belugas> rave, radius 4 is the center of the town. Does that help you a bit more? 17:20:45 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 17:20:45 *** planetmaker|procrastinating is now known as pm|work 17:20:45 <pm|work> see you later. got to go home and eat something :) 17:20:45 <glx> Draakon: easy, you have an invalid owner for some reason 17:20:45 <Draakon> wierd 17:20:45 *** scia [~scia@85.149.96.102] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:20:45 <Draakon> i also demolished that part of land with magic bulldozer 17:21:25 *** GoneWacko is now known as GoneWack1 17:21:38 *** GoneWack1 is now known as GoneWacko 17:21:59 <Spitfireleet> Sacro: Spitfireleet: you can port from binary to assembler quite easily afaik <---- how do you do that exactly? 17:22:02 <GoneWacko> >_> 17:22:16 <Sacro> Spitfireleet: with a disassembler 17:24:01 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:25:18 <rave> it's a bit harder than you may think 17:26:55 <pv2b> from binary to assembler is easy compeltely automatically. 17:26:59 <pv2b> understanding it however... 17:27:09 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-88-121.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:28:33 <rave> do you know of a disassembler that outputs in a format ready to be assembled? 17:28:33 *** Lego-- [~Miranda@84.204.165.252] has joined #openttd 17:28:48 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 17:29:54 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 17:30:03 <Dominik> IDA pro is a good disassembler, but unfortunately quite expensive 17:31:03 <pv2b> rave: my experience with assembler has bee pretty much limited to pic assembler, but on that architecture, sure 17:31:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host197-237-dynamic.0-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:31:45 *** Netsplit osmotic.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: DaleStan 17:31:54 <orudge> my experience with assembler is limited to some basic Intel assembly, some assembler for some RISC platform, and Whitespace, which I wrote my own "assembler" for. 17:32:41 <Wolf01> hello 17:32:50 <Gonozal_VIII> hi 17:32:55 <pv2b> oh, and i cracked a shareware game (that was no longer available for purchasing due to a bullshit lawsuit) on OS X once ;-) 17:33:01 <pv2b> by using a disassembler and a hex editor 17:33:38 <pv2b> this was without really knowing PPC assembler at all. fortunately the guy left debugging symbols in, and cracking it was as easy as making sure IsRegistered() already returned 1 ;-) 17:33:40 <Spitfireleet> once you have the assembly code, how would that process then go to being C++ code? 17:33:48 <pv2b> Spitfireleet: with a lot of mental effort 17:33:50 <orudge> hey 17:33:52 <orudge> deja vu 17:33:56 <orudge> I *have* seen this before 17:34:02 * orudge checks logs to be sure 17:34:03 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 17:34:03 <orudge> !logs 17:34:19 <orudge> hmm 17:34:33 <orudge> that's really weird 17:34:37 <orudge> was it somewhere else I saw it 17:34:40 <pv2b> (in the end the program still checked whether it was registered, but it was kinda like the drink machine in the Heart of Gold) 17:34:46 <orudge> but for sure, I saw you saying those lines, pv2b, some time ago (a few weeks maybe) 17:34:51 <orudge> and now I just had deja vu 17:34:54 <orudge> hrmmm 17:34:54 *** Lego- [~Miranda@84.204.104.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:54 <pv2b> not a few weeks ago 17:34:56 <pv2b> more like years 17:35:04 <orudge> well 17:35:07 <orudge> I've certainly seen it :p 17:35:12 <orudge> and now you're messing with my mind :[p 17:35:39 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r5bn73.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:35:50 <pv2b> or it could be déjà vu as you say 17:36:29 <orudge> tis most weird 17:36:34 <Dominik> Spitfireleet: you have to take every single line of assembly code and translate it into c. the hard part is to figure out what it all means. 17:37:42 <rave> I'd leave it in assembly and gradually convert the bits I need to modify to C 17:38:41 *** UnderBuilder [~chatzilla@168.226.105.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:45 <orudge> Dominik = dominik81, or a different Dominik? 17:39:01 <Dominik> orudge: yes, i'm the one :) 17:39:03 <orudge> heh 17:39:05 <orudge> just wondering 17:39:42 <glx> oh you changed your nick again ;) 17:39:45 <Dominik> i wish i could change my forum nick, but i think "Dominik" is already taken 17:39:53 <orudge> who is it taken by, and do they have any posts? 17:39:59 <orudge> well, it's taken by "Dominik" I presumeb 17:40:01 <orudge> *presume 17:40:03 <orudge> but if they have no posts 17:40:07 <orudge> then it may be possible to arrange for some alterations 17:41:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:42:28 <Dominik> orudge: hmm, i just did a quick search for posts by *ominik*. There are exactly 723, all of which are by me 17:42:53 <Spitfireleet> how do you translate from one programming language to another? 17:43:39 <orudge> Dominik: if there is a "Dominik" user, they don't appear to be activated 17:43:46 <orudge> keep an eye out for the username change thread 17:43:49 <Dominik> Spitfireleet: for example "a := 1" in pascal becomes "a = 1;" in c ^^ 17:43:49 <orudge> (I post it from time to time) 17:43:50 <orudge> an post in there 17:43:51 <orudge> *and 17:44:14 <glx> there's no Dominik in user list 17:44:41 <Belugas> Spitfireleet: a language is just the support of a concept/idea. So understand what a) does means you can write it in b) if you know how to read/write in a) and b) 17:44:58 <Dominik> i'm pretty sure a few years ago when i checked there was 17:45:13 <Spitfireleet> i wish there was just a simple way of using some program to do for you 17:46:09 <Belugas> in programming, Spitfireleet, the easy and simple ways are always the worse :) 17:46:14 <Belugas> the best tool is the brain 17:46:21 <rave> where are screenshots saved? 17:46:36 <Dominik> or you could write such a program yourself ;) 17:46:40 <glx> in same dir as openttd.cfg rave 17:46:44 *** peter1138 [~peter@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:47:20 * Belugas nods at Dominik, but would not want to perform such a task :) 17:47:24 <Belugas> at all! 17:48:03 <Dominik> and even so, you still would need to manually go through everything 17:50:04 <orudge> hm, nice, my DOS port of OpenTTD seems to have been based on r121 of the old SVN 17:50:45 <orudge> the source tree looked so much less cluttered back then :p 17:50:45 <rave> screenshots aren't working in 0.6.0-b2 on debian 17:51:01 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:49 <rave> nvm 18:00:14 <orudge> heh, and my old attempt at larger airports from 2004 18:00:22 <orudge> some interesting stuff buried around here 18:06:06 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:59 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 18:10:12 <rave> http://i12.tinypic.com/6x975ox.png 18:10:40 *** petern [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:11:45 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:11:57 <Draakon> argh, dam PC 18:12:19 *** petern [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [] 18:12:35 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:12:36 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:14:20 <pv2b> rave: that's.... rather conurbanationific 18:14:45 <hylje> looks great 18:14:58 <hylje> now if you had a train network in that :-) 18:15:24 <pv2b> openttd needs a simcity style subway system, but better ;-) 18:15:33 <Gonozal_VIII> naah, not trains... that map needs trucks, busses and trams 18:16:09 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 18:17:46 <Belugas> pv2b, agreed. Can't wait for you to code it ;) 18:18:45 <pv2b> you'd probably have to have a seperate "underworld" map. it'd be rather nontrivial :-) 18:18:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:22 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 18:19:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r11851 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_callbacks.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: A few magic numbers removal, plus a little code style 18:20:58 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-60-200.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:21:10 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-235-161.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:21:17 <Belugas> non trivial to say the least... 18:21:32 <Belugas> underworld would not be adequate 18:21:50 <Draakon> underworld rules 18:21:57 <Belugas> might be something in the line of pointed tiles, or something like that 18:22:02 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-60-200.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:06 <Belugas> Draakon, yes, pretty cool movie 18:23:03 <Draakon> what about building subways like in locomotion? is it possible currently? 18:23:14 <Belugas> nope 18:23:20 *** tubul [~tubul@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:23:23 <Draakon> why? 18:24:15 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N942P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:33 <Belugas> becuase it is not possible currently. 18:24:37 <Belugas> code does not support it 18:24:39 <Belugas> nor gui 18:24:40 <Belugas> nor map 18:25:10 <Draakon> ok 18:25:17 <Belugas> it might be, but with serious code change 18:25:20 <Belugas> and i mean really srious 18:25:31 <hylje> SRS 18:25:38 * Draakon needs to find C++ tutorials from google tour buss 18:25:58 *** Netsplit cation.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: Dominik, eQualizer, Aerandir, @DorpsGek, Spitfireleet, Rexxars, Osai, MiHaMiX, Nukebuster, Mark, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:25:58 *** Netsplit over, joins: blathijs, mcbane 18:26:07 *** Netsplit over, joins: eQualizer 18:26:22 *** Netsplit over, joins: Spitfireleet 18:26:24 *** Netsplit over, joins: Mark 18:27:02 <Spitfireleet> Draakon: what about building subways like in locomotion? is it possible currently? <--- You can build subways? 18:27:10 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:24 <Draakon> in Locomotion yes, but not in OpenTTD 18:27:37 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:27:51 *** Osai [~Osai@pD9EB502C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:09 *** DorpsGek [truelight@81.171.98.110] has joined #openttd 18:29:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 18:29:26 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-018-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:25 <Tefad> i never figured out the subway thing 18:30:42 <Draakon> on Locomotion? 18:30:47 <Tefad> but then again after running locomotion for an hour or two i almost vomited due to the interface.. 18:30:59 *** MiHaMiX [~miham@xenon.bibl.u-szeged.hu] has joined #openttd 18:31:04 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 18:31:06 *** tokar [~tokar@othala.n7mm.org] has joined #openttd 18:31:08 <pv2b> i hear the ai in lomo was worse than in ttd 18:31:08 <Tefad> (i am exaggerating a little) 18:31:24 <pv2b> never played lomo thoguh, but i've seen some rather.... extreme screenshots 18:31:25 <Tefad> lomo is also still 8bit. 18:33:13 <Maedhros> are you sure? i thought the graphics were at least 16 bit (not that i've ever actually played it) 18:33:24 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:51 <Belugas> i think Tefad is right. Graphics are still in 8 bits. I have to admit that i like the look of the rendered engines and industruies and all 18:34:59 <Belugas> tru, gui is not really enjoyable 18:34:59 <peter1138> it's 8bpp with a very durgy grey/brown palette 18:36:45 *** tubul [~tubul@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:37:00 <Maedhros> ok, fair enough :) 18:38:12 *** tubul [~icechat5@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:21 *** lws1984 is now known as X 18:39:33 *** X is now known as ^_^ 18:40:05 *** ^_^ is now known as lws1984 18:40:13 <Wolf01> not only the gui, but i think that lomo lacks some features which made TTD a great game, and i don't mean only gameplay features, but the atmosphere too 18:40:28 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:40:59 <hylje> atmosphere is too easy to screw up 18:42:12 <Belugas> in my case, the gui killed the fun of it 18:42:18 <Belugas> i really loved the gfx, though 18:44:01 <peter1138> yes 18:44:23 <peter1138> well more ttd-style would be better 18:44:29 <peter1138> but the construction method... oh dear 18:45:17 <Belugas> yup 18:45:36 <Wezz6400> building underground in lomo works nicely, until you try it in a city 18:48:30 <Tefad> isn't that where you'd need to do it anyway? 18:49:50 <hylje> hmm, ottd froze on me :< 18:49:56 <hylje> and i lost a savegame 18:50:05 <hylje> one that i havent saved, that is 18:50:08 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N942P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 18:50:11 <hylje> i want to file a complaint 18:50:32 <Draakon> im listening :P 18:51:03 <Belugas> shling 18:51:13 <Belugas> here's your refund, hylje 18:51:56 <hylje> thanks 18:57:22 <Belugas> bugger :( it is still snowing. hasn't stopped since this morning 18:57:43 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: HELP ME I AM A PENGUIN YET I HAVE NO BEAK ONLY MARSHMELLOWS] 18:57:53 *** Greyscale is now known as Greysc[a]le 18:57:59 *** Greysc[a]le is now known as Greyscale 18:58:00 <skidd13> Belugas: better snow than ice ;) 18:59:11 <Gonozal_VIII> snow + rain means lots of ice... 18:59:45 <Belugas> true skidd13 19:00:02 <Gonozal_VIII> cold snow is ok for walking on... 19:00:02 <Belugas> or freezing rain even :S 19:00:26 <Belugas> hot snow is ok to ... 19:00:31 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 19:00:36 * Belugas gives up 19:01:33 <skidd13> Gonozal_VIII: I think belugas does not mean the snow wich is a form of water :D 19:01:48 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:03:10 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-98-23-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: bye] 19:04:23 <pavel1269> we want too some snow here! 19:04:50 <Gonozal_VIII> snow sucks 19:05:49 * Belugas agrees 19:06:43 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A4DBA.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 19:09:13 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-234-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:25 *** dihedral [~dihedral@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:09:52 * dih smiles 19:13:32 *** LA[resurrected] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 19:13:57 *** LA[resurrected] is now known as LA[lord] 19:14:11 <LA[lord]> identify 19:14:17 <pavel1269> no 19:14:17 <pavel1269> :P 19:14:31 <dih> you are missing a password there LA 19:14:33 <LA[lord]> why not 19:14:44 <LA[lord]> and slash too 19:14:46 <LA[lord]> :P 19:14:55 <dih> you know what is awsome 19:14:59 <LA[lord]> ? 19:15:09 <dih> identifying with ssl certs 19:15:10 <LA[lord]> no 19:15:11 <dih> ^^ 19:15:17 <orudge> ooooold 19:15:20 <orudge> but yes, it is rather funky 19:15:28 <dih> i never said it was new 19:15:30 <dih> :-P 19:15:58 <dih> or having a static ip and being authenticated by a hostmask is nice too 19:15:58 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 19:15:58 <LA[lord]> !logs 19:16:01 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:05 <dih> mine are nicer ^^ 19:16:25 <dih> they just look better :-) 19:16:58 <LA[lord]> .. :( I want snow.. 19:17:04 * dih snows 19:17:19 <Gonozal_VIII> stop that dih 19:17:30 <Gonozal_VIII> bad dih 19:17:31 <dih> what? 19:17:33 <LA[lord]> where do you locate dih? 19:17:44 <Gonozal_VIII> the snowing 19:17:44 <dih> you dont locate dih 19:17:49 <dih> dih locates himself 19:19:02 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 19:19:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-154-115.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:19:36 <LA[lord]> where is your location dih? 19:19:53 <LA[lord]> I mean where does the snow fall because of you? 19:20:36 <dih> oh 19:20:40 * dih stops snowing 19:20:42 <dih> nowhere 19:20:52 <dih> although 19:20:57 <dih> coming to think about it 19:21:12 * dih starts snowing heavily over Gonozal_VIII 19:21:23 <LA[lord]> :P 19:21:35 <LA[lord]> Come over Estonia.. snow here too, please :D 19:21:51 <Gonozal_VIII> noooooooooo 19:21:54 <LA[lord]> We had snow... for a week.. and it all melted 19:22:24 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm strange... estonia is a lot further north 19:22:31 <LA[lord]> a *lot* 19:22:43 <ln-> my first copy of TTD was bought from estonia... 19:22:55 <ln-> sorry, TT, not TTD 19:23:05 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII: It has been raining here for some days... 19:23:25 <LA[lord]> and it's +2C here currently 19:23:52 <LA[lord]> and for thetime (21:22) it's quite much 19:24:12 <LA[lord]> not to count it's middle of January :roll: 19:24:31 <LA[lord]> ln-: You go frequently to Estonia? 19:25:12 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess he doesn't have to go far... by ferry or something 19:25:12 <ln-> not frequently. 19:25:29 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:25:32 <LA[lord]> Gonozal_VIII:about 80 km-s 19:25:36 <LA[lord]> :P 19:25:46 <LA[lord]> between Tallinn and Helsinki 19:25:47 <ln-> 2 hours by train plus about 3 hours by ferry. 19:26:09 <Gonozal_VIII> how do you know those distances? 19:26:27 <LA[lord]> because I know.. It's logical... 19:26:57 <LA[lord]> The finns are almost like Estonians... I think I should know atleast something about them... 19:27:27 <ln-> "almost like"... that's quite far-fetched 19:27:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hmm they're rich and you're poor?^^ 19:27:46 *** dih was kicked from #openttd by Bjarni [there can be only one] 19:27:46 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-234-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 19:27:55 <LA[lord]> yes, they are poor and we are rich... 19:28:01 <LA[lord]> :P 19:28:36 <LA[lord]> actually, there is no big GAP anymore... The just didn't have 50 years of Soviet occupation.. 19:29:29 <ln-> also we don't have a 50% russian minority in the country. 19:29:57 <LA[lord]> we don't too 19:30:08 <Bjarni> how can 50% be a minority? 19:30:16 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:30:22 <LA[lord]> 1. 50% isn't minority 2. We have about 1/3 19:31:47 <ln-> Bjarni: minority = a group that speaks a language which is not an official language of the country 19:32:00 * dih waves 19:32:21 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe then we have a huge austrian minority here 19:32:45 <Gonozal_VIII> official language is german... nobody speaks that :-) 19:32:46 <dih> huge minority... 19:32:51 <dih> ich ich ich 19:33:03 <dih> but i aint austrian 19:33:31 <Bjarni> then what are you? Russian? 19:33:35 <ln-> we also shouldn't forget the kangaroo minority of austria. 19:33:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 19:33:47 <dih> GERMAN|BRITISH 19:34:01 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes... poor you 19:34:43 <dih> yes - living in germany is a pain ^^ 19:37:00 <LA[lord]> dih: Come further north then :P 19:37:18 <Bjarni> come on 19:37:29 <dih> i would love to move to sweden ^^ 19:37:32 <Bjarni> I will show you what a "warm" welcome during the winter is 19:37:56 <Bjarni> remember your swimming suit if you don't want to be naked 19:38:08 <ln-> achtung, ein österreich-youtube-link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=i59IShwmNsY 19:38:26 <LA[lord]> well.. our winter here has been VERY warm :(.. it once dropped to -15 butit's about 0 all the winter now.. 19:38:38 <LA[lord]> *no off topic YouTube links* :P 19:38:47 <ln-> LA[lord]: this is on-topic. 19:38:53 <LA[lord]> and so what? 19:39:05 <ln-> LA[lord]: was sagen sie? 19:39:10 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:39:17 <hylje> ah 19:39:20 <hylje> i did have a console open 19:39:23 <LA[lord]> sagen? sie? 19:39:24 <dih> LA[lord] sagt scheisse 19:39:24 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:39:26 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:39:27 <Gonozal_VIII> wer sie? 19:39:48 <LA[lord]> I have english- german auto-translator.. 19:40:09 <Bjarni> you mean Engrish-German translator? 19:40:16 <ln-> LA[lord]: meinen sie daà sie kein deutsch selbst verstehen können? 19:40:17 <Sacro> oh learry? 19:40:47 <LA[lord]> They believe that they themselves do not understand German? 19:40:58 <hylje> so i got a backtrace and a partial memory map 19:41:36 <dih> http://youtube.com/watch?v=hINoLC9IC8g <-- loriot - der sprechende hund 19:41:42 <Gonozal_VIII> translate it a few times back and forth, that's fun 19:41:54 <hylje> germlish 19:42:52 <LA[lord]> *| use English |*.. please :( 19:42:59 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:35 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 19:44:36 <ln-> LA[lord]: miks sÀ ei rÀÀgib saksa keeles? 19:45:04 <LA[lord]> because I can't... Just as you can't speak Estonian :P 19:46:07 <LA[lord]> although I admit you tried... 19:46:24 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 19:46:53 <ln-> mÀ omab eesti keele õpik. 19:47:18 <ln-> though i don't have it here now. 19:47:28 <LA[lord]> mul on eesti keele õpik * :D 19:48:03 <ln-> funny, so it would have been closer to finnish than i imagined. 19:48:27 <LA[lord]> hehe 19:49:03 <LA[lord]> and we generally don't have two-letter words what ends with À, ö, ÃŒ, õ 19:49:45 <LA[lord]> so your first sentence would have been Miks sa ei rÀÀgi saksa keeles and the second as I told you 19:50:08 <ln-> ok 19:52:40 <LA[lord]> arrgghh. tomorrow school again :( I should go get some sleep 19:53:25 <LA[lord]> good night 19:55:56 *** Tekky [~Tekky@p5493FADE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:33 *** LA[lord] [~chatzilla@ip157.cab20.ltln.starman.ee] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 20:06:18 *** tubul [~icechat5@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Relax, its only ONES and ZEROS!] 20:06:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r11852 /trunk/src/lang/ (4 files): 20:06:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-01-14 21:05:38 20:06:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 36 changed by fukumori (36) 20:06:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 1 fixed by leejaeuk5 (1) 20:06:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: piglatin - 20 fixed by adammw (20) 20:06:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: portuguese - 1 fixed by nars (1) 20:12:02 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 20:12:24 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 20:14:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 20:15:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B75E3.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:15:57 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:15:59 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 20:16:55 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 20:17:06 *** orudge` [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge`] by ChanServ 20:17:16 *** orudge` [orudge@pc.lan.owenrudge.net] has quit [] 20:18:23 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 20:19:00 *** weirdy [~weirdy@78-86-152-53.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:19:06 <weirdy> D: 20:19:08 <weirdy> FECK ME 20:19:19 <Gonozal_VIII> weird 20:19:43 <weirdy> how many are there in here? 20:20:16 <Belugas> as many as here in here :) 20:20:33 <Gonozal_VIII> one more since you joined 20:20:40 <weirdy> ¬_¬ 20:21:06 *** weirdy [~weirdy@78-86-152-53.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [OTTD Smells. With so many people in such a small space...] 20:21:16 <Gonozal_VIII> and same as before again 20:21:22 <MiHaMiX> YAB 20:21:30 <MiHaMiX> yet another b*start 20:21:38 <MiHaMiX> s/t$/d/ 20:22:32 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i577B7FAF.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:23:48 <mcbane> funny one .. 20:25:30 *** Maedhros [~jc@host86-136-235-161.range86-136.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:30:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r11853 /trunk/ (Makefile.in config.lib configure): 20:30:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [r11837]: [OSX] reconfigure killed the space in shared-dir 20:30:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Thanks to TrueLight for finding the solution to this one 20:30:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Note: if the shared-dir setting is already broken due to this then you have to manually run configure again 20:30:49 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:36:50 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:44:46 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:45:43 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-191-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:47:43 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-191-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 20:48:08 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-191-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 20:48:10 *** Digitalfox_ [~chatzilla@bl7-191-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 20:49:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 20:51:18 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-185-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:51:40 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:52:32 *** tubul [~icechat5@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 20:52:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11854 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown_type.h: -Fix (r11848): Nightly build farm showed up more compiler warnings... c++ is fun 20:53:36 *** pavel1269 [~pavel.g@48.140.broadband2.iol.cz] has quit [] 20:54:35 <dih> "c++ is fun" <-- lol 20:57:12 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A409B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:45 * dih waves 20:58:03 <peter1138> :D 20:59:15 <skidd13> Is a lifeguard in here someone seems to need it 20:59:15 <skidd13> /me points to the waving dih 20:59:58 <dih> :'( 21:00:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N942P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:00:30 * skidd13 pats dih on his head ... ;) 21:00:39 <dih> thanks 21:00:42 <dih> i needed that 21:00:46 * orudge is a lifeguard 21:00:46 <orudge> well 21:00:47 <orudge> I was 21:00:52 <orudge> my qualification has expired now 21:00:54 <dih> although that is my line 21:00:55 <orudge> but I still have the card, and the t-shirt 21:01:07 <skidd13> orudge: Same here 21:01:11 <lws1984> well, the t-shirt is the most important bit 21:01:13 <Prof_Frink> And the big chair? 21:02:01 <orudge> Don't have that, alas. 21:02:05 <orudge> I don't have the keys or the whistle, either 21:02:08 <orudge> had to give those back in 21:04:54 <Chrill> it's a shame orudge goes spam-a-lot in #openttd nowadays 21:05:11 <Wezz6400> is there another way to stop a forked openttd except for killing it with its pid? 21:05:14 * Chrill was intelligent enough to keep his GRFs when he reinstalled the computer, but not his savegame 21:05:35 <ben_goodger> :) 21:06:02 <orudge> "spam-a-lot"? 21:06:09 * orudge understands not Chrill 21:06:33 <ben_goodger> perhaps you randomly burst into songs from monty python films? 21:07:00 <orudge> on #tycoon, yes 21:07:02 <orudge> but never on #openttd 21:07:31 <lws1984> Always loook on the briight side of life! 21:07:38 <lws1984> *do-do, do-do, do-do-do-do-dodo* 21:07:44 <ben_goodger> quite. 21:07:47 <Noldo> we're knights of the round table... 21:07:55 <lws1984> Ni! 21:07:57 <ben_goodger> indeed. 21:08:00 * Bjarni makes a cut in the table 21:08:02 <orudge> Half a bee, philosophically 21:08:05 <Bjarni> now it's not round anymore :P 21:08:06 <orudge> must ipso facto half not be 21:08:18 <lws1984> We're knights of the irregularly-shaped table... 21:08:18 <Noldo> orudge: that's so my favourite! 21:08:27 <orudge> I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay 21:08:28 <lws1984> Beat that, Bjarni. 21:08:28 <ben_goodger> we're knights of the toroid table... 21:08:33 <Noldo> "Cyril Conelly?" 21:08:39 <orudge> No, semi-carnally! 21:08:40 <orudge> oh... 21:08:42 <orudge> semi-carnally 21:08:44 <orudge> *whistles* 21:08:50 <Bjarni> hmm 21:08:53 <lws1984> He puts on women's clothing, and hangs around in baars!...that makes Sacro a lumberjack, then. 21:09:00 * Bjarni burns the table 21:09:00 <Sacro> :( 21:09:06 <Bjarni> now you don't have a table anymore 21:09:10 <lws1984> We're knights of the ashen table! 21:09:12 <Sacro> wtf 21:09:16 <Sacro> tis ilke #tycoon in here 21:09:22 <ben_goodger> :D 21:09:38 <Bjarni> Sacro: I was thinking the same thing. I just showed up 21:09:47 <Bjarni> and now I will hurry away again 21:09:54 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: Besides, snow really should be banned worldwide..] 21:09:55 <Bjarni> this appears to be dangerous for a healthy mind 21:10:04 <lws1984> Healthy mind? 21:10:06 <lws1984> What's that? 21:10:08 <ben_goodger> we're knights of the {mass of CO2 and particulate exhaust that previously constituted the round table and a suitable quantity of dioxide} 21:10:18 <lws1984> now you're just being silly. 21:10:44 <Bjarni> silly enough to be on the news 21:10:59 <Rexxars> we are the keepers of the sacred words ni, peng and nywhom! 21:11:14 <ben_goodger> I'm rather hyperactive this evening following some rather exciting research on industrial carbonic chemistry 21:11:28 <orudge> spam, anyone? 21:11:40 <ben_goodger> spam fritters, please. 21:11:42 <ben_goodger> and a parrot 21:11:50 <orudge> I only have this dead one, I'm fraid 21:11:52 <orudge> *afraid 21:11:58 <Bjarni> like some researcher who just discovered that rotting leaves releases more CO2 than the tree absorbed during it's lifetime so removing the trees would reduce CO2 emissions 21:12:00 <Prof_Frink> The norwegian blue? 21:12:03 <Bjarni> now that's bullshit 21:12:21 <orudge> Prof_Frink: beautiful plumage 21:12:37 <Prof_Frink> The plumage doesn't come into it! 21:12:45 * orudge waits 21:12:58 <Prof_Frink> This is an ex-parrot. 21:12:59 <lws1984> This is an ex-parrot! 21:13:01 <lws1984> oh damn. 21:13:05 <Prof_Frink> It has ceased to be. 21:13:06 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: no, it's leaf mulch :) but the principle is identicle 21:13:11 <lws1984> What kind of a bloody cheese shop is this? 21:13:13 <orudge> no, no 21:13:18 <orudge> "it's stone dead" 21:13:19 <orudge> silly. 21:13:33 <ben_goodger> does any productive work occur in this channel? 21:13:49 * Prof_Frink was doing it in a notthenineoclocknews style 21:13:53 <Bjarni> the trunk contains carbon taken from the air so the leaves would have to contain less carbon than taken from the air. The leaves can't produce more CO2 molecules than it has carbon atoms so it has to release less CO2 than it took from the air in the first place 21:13:54 <skidd13> ben_goodger: If asked yes 21:13:59 <ben_goodger> :) 21:14:08 <Bjarni> it's like building with Lego 21:14:16 <ben_goodger> indeed 21:15:05 <Bjarni> if you build something out of 10 blocks and you take 5 away you can't make the remaining part spray out say 12 blocks (forget about breaking them. Rotting leaves don't split carbon atoms) 21:15:16 <ben_goodger> quite 21:15:24 <Prof_Frink> And if they did, they wouldn't be carbon 21:15:30 <Bjarni> that too 21:15:40 <ben_goodger> yes 21:15:47 <Prof_Frink> So basically the most environmentall friendly thing is furniture 21:15:51 <ben_goodger> though they could legitimately be C-14 21:16:04 <ben_goodger> which would split into C-12 and... something else 21:16:21 <Prof_Frink> nullium-2 21:16:23 <Bjarni> so how can you get funded to do research like that and then enter the news with such a "breakthough" discovery? 21:16:44 <Bjarni> it sure took everybody by surprise because trees are supposed to reduce CO2 levels not increase it 21:16:45 <orudge> I blame Apple, they went and released a whole pile of carbon into the atmosphere. And then they're exploiting third world farmers with cocoa. 21:16:48 * orudge shall get his coat 21:16:52 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: it involves the word "carbon" 21:17:00 * ben_goodger opens door for orudge 21:17:02 * lws1984 makes orudge Carbon-compatible 21:17:08 <Bjarni> yeah... it's likely something that stupid 21:17:13 <ben_goodger> on second thoughts, 21:17:14 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:17:35 <Prof_Frink> ben_goodger: "Carbon" is the new "Terrorism" 21:17:45 <orudge> we're going to have a war in the rainforest? 21:17:48 <ben_goodger> heh 21:17:52 <Bjarni> I read that some researchers wants to use solar light to split CO2 into CO and then use CO as fuel 21:18:06 <Prof_Frink> Put it into the title of your project to get funding 21:18:17 <ben_goodger> Bjarni: this is precisely what I was researching. it's actually ludicrously easy 21:18:47 <Bjarni> my first thought was "CO is really dangerous... what if the machinery leaks... it's without colour or smell and it breaks the oxygen transportation ability in the blood so you become tired" 21:18:48 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:18:54 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:19:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:19:12 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: you do research? 21:19:31 <ben_goodger> however, you wouldn't use the CO directly: you can quite simply convert it to saturated hydrocarbons, from where it easily becomes ethanol or ordinary gasoline 21:19:51 *** Digitalfox [~chatzilla@bl7-191-115.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 21:19:52 <ben_goodger> or diesel, though that's less easy 21:20:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 21:20:38 <ln-> "Ett Ryanairplan pÃ¥ vÀg frÃ¥n Dublin till Tampere i Finland nödlandade strax före lunchtid pÃ¥ Skavsta flygplats, detta sedan piloterna fÃ¥tt en indikation om ett hydraulikfel." 21:20:40 <Bjarni> the question is if we want to produce diesel. It's not like it's clean to burn as it is now 21:20:56 <ben_goodger> actually, diesel is very clean-burning 21:21:02 <Bjarni> however I presume it would be free of impurities like sulphur 21:21:29 <ben_goodger> the problem is that current blends of diesel oil is full of sulphur and other things I am calling particulate exhaust to avoid having to learn what they're actually called 21:22:16 <ben_goodger> basically, given a ready source of CO and H2O (as well as a huge quantity of energy) one can quite easily synthesise a range of reasonably short alkanes (i.e. up to dodecane (diesel)) 21:22:43 <ben_goodger> it is not economically viable, as the energy would almost certainly come from burning hydrocarbons in the first place 21:22:45 <Bjarni> but where would the energy come from? 21:23:04 <Bjarni> is it a process you can start and stop quickly so you do it say while the wind is blowing? 21:23:06 <ben_goodger> and there is little point in burning hydrocarbons to power a machine that makes a lot less hydrocarbons 21:23:27 <Bjarni> so it's kind of a stored wind energy system... that would be interesting 21:23:52 <ben_goodger> no, it takes a fair while to get going - requires quite large heat and pressure, plus electricity to electrolyse the H2O 21:23:59 <Bjarni> the question is what is the efficiency compared to batteries and hydrogen 21:24:12 <ben_goodger> miniscule. 21:24:47 <Bjarni> I think hydrogen will win in the long run 21:24:56 <ben_goodger> unfortunately, proper hydrogen fuel cells cost a huge amount and has a ridiculously tiny energy density, as does lithium-ion battery technology 21:25:38 <ben_goodger> gasoline, for instance, stores roughly 35 times more energy per litre than a lithium ion battery, which is the reason that current battery vehicles have tiny ranges 21:26:00 <Bjarni> ever seen a tesla roadster? It has a decent range 21:26:18 <Bjarni> and high top speed 21:26:25 <ben_goodger> top speed is not an issue 21:26:33 <Bjarni> http://www.teslamotors.com/ 21:26:35 <ben_goodger> you can basically just keep building bigger motoros 21:26:41 <Bjarni> yeah 21:26:54 <ben_goodger> it's unfortunate especially considering the extremely improved efficiency, reliability and acceleration of an electric motor as opposed to an otto engine, but current electricity storage systems are simply inadequate 21:27:01 <orudge> I was reading about the Roadster a few weeks ago, rather impressive looking 21:27:04 <orudge> shame about the technical hitches 21:27:11 <Bjarni> 220 miles on a charge... I guess it depends on how you are driving but it's a usable range 21:27:27 <ben_goodger> and cars have relatively tiny range requirements compared to things like aeroplanes and ships 21:27:35 <Bjarni> yes 21:27:51 <Bjarni> I don't see ocean travelling container ships using batteries 21:27:59 * peter1138 ponders an wind powered oil tanker... 21:28:19 <Bjarni> technically possible 21:28:19 <ben_goodger> so really, the only viable solution is to synthesise diesel and such 21:28:37 <Wolf01> http://www.battle.net/images/battle/war2/images/units/Tanker-1.gif 21:29:04 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:29:13 <ben_goodger> if we had a free energy source, it would be economically viable. unfortunately, it is not - perhaps some hydroelectrically powered system 21:29:38 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: I'm not so sure... you are saying that we should stick to fossil fuels (and produce them ourselves when they run out). Sounds like the steam engine lobby when the diesel engine started to be used 21:29:38 <ben_goodger> or we could just use my imitation perpetual motion machine 21:30:00 <ben_goodger> not really 21:30:09 <ben_goodger> we simply cannot use anything else 21:30:37 <peter1138> nuclear powered oil tankers 21:30:40 <ben_goodger> how can you power an aeroplane on anything but kerosene? 21:30:45 *** wiese [~w_w@cm142-140.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 21:30:48 <ben_goodger> (or similar) 21:31:03 <Bjarni> <ben_goodger> how can you power an aeroplane on anything but kerosene? <-- NASA did it with solar power 21:31:17 <ben_goodger> link me 21:31:26 <Bjarni> it has unlimited range but I think it lacked cargo space 21:31:44 <Prof_Frink> And wasn't the fastest 21:32:28 <Bjarni> http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/history/pastprojects/Erast/helios.html 21:32:51 <Bjarni> it's not commercially usable but it works 21:32:53 <Bjarni> and it's a start 21:33:36 <ben_goodger> that wingspan is unfeasible 21:33:52 <ben_goodger> you'll need a light aircraft to get between airport terminals 21:35:20 <Bjarni> it needs that wingspan to get to the extreme altitude that it's designed for 21:35:22 <ben_goodger> oh, and we can't forget the inestimable cost of retrofitting 800bn existing oil-powered vehicles 21:35:47 <skidd13> @seen LA* 21:35:47 <DorpsGek> skidd13: LA* could be LA[lord] (1 hour, 42 minutes, and 22 seconds ago), LA[resurrected] (4 hours, 50 minutes, and 48 seconds ago), LA[KoRn] (5 hours, 4 minutes, and 29 seconds ago), Lachie (1 day, 13 hours, 1 minute, and 47 seconds ago), LA[lord]_ (1 week, 0 days, 1 hour, 45 minutes, and 50 seconds ago), LA[Stop_spam] (1 week, 1 day, 2 hours, and 51 seconds ago), LA[Azamath] (1 week, 2 days, 1 hour, 14 minutes, and (2 more messages) 21:35:57 <skidd13> @more 21:35:57 <DorpsGek> skidd13: 3 seconds ago), LA|Eater (1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago), LA[lallalala] (1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes, and 30 seconds ago), LA[STOP_SPAM|AWAY] (1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes, and 4 seconds ago), LA[stop_tab-spam] (1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 11 seconds ago), LA[stop_nick-spam] (1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 58 minutes, and 55 seconds ago), LA[AL] (1 week, 2 (1 more message) 21:35:59 <skidd13> @more 21:35:59 <DorpsGek> skidd13: days, 6 hours, 41 minutes, and 52 seconds ago), laz0r (2 weeks, 0 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 20 seconds ago), LA[I_want_Orange_Box] (2 weeks, 3 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), lag (19 weeks, 3 days, 0 hours, 5 minutes, and 49 seconds ago), or laci (24 weeks, 5 days, 10 hours, 40 minutes, and 22 seconds ago) 21:36:01 *** wiese [~w_w@cm142-140.liwest.at] has left #openttd [] 21:36:40 *** wiese [~w_w@cm142-140.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 21:36:50 <ben_goodger> anywho, I'm off to finish my perpetual motion machine diagram. "investors can put your money in the hole in the floor" 21:36:53 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: it looks like you are missing the point. Nobody wants to do that at this stage 21:37:14 <ben_goodger> nobody can do that at this stage, and nobody will 21:37:34 <ben_goodger> the entire economy of, at least, the united states is designed to function with ever-increasing supplies of petrochemicals 21:38:18 <Bjarni> and that's part of the economical issue these days 21:38:38 <Bjarni> US economy is too dependant on oil prices 21:38:47 <ln-> dependent 21:38:58 <ben_goodger> manufacturing industries probably could convert to electric power. plastics are made from petrochemicals, as are fertilisers 21:39:01 *** wiese [~w_w@cm142-140.liwest.at] has left #openttd [] 21:39:59 <ben_goodger> the question of how to grow and distribute food across five developed continents without the aid of huge quantities of oil has, as yet, not been successfully answered 21:40:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54463.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:40:38 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-84-44-232-31.netcologne.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:40:42 <Bjarni> the question is why we can't accept eating more local food 21:40:54 <Bjarni> why do our food has to have seen more of the world than we have? 21:41:04 <ben_goodger> let me tell you about local food 21:41:05 <Bjarni> that would be a good place to start 21:42:02 *** wiese [~w_w@cm142-140.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 21:42:17 <Bjarni> we will eat more local food as the oil prices and hence the transport prices raises 21:42:21 <Bjarni> transporting is too cheap 21:42:29 <ben_goodger> if you buy scampi in the UK that is caught in scotland, it goes by truck to a local port before going to thailand to be shelled. it then is reimported and distributed around the country, still being "caught in scotland" 21:42:48 <orudge> well, you could buy it from a local market or whatever 21:42:50 <orudge> instead of from a supermarket 21:43:05 <ben_goodger> there aren't any 21:43:15 <ben_goodger> at least, none that I've ever seen 21:43:41 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has joined #openttd 21:45:24 <Bjarni> that's not what I meant about local food 21:45:25 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@062249182162.customer.alfanett.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:26 <ben_goodger> anyway, as previously stated I must go and finish my perpetual motion machine diagram 21:45:35 <Bjarni> it's a very good example of how not to do 21:46:18 *** wiese [~w_w@cm142-140.liwest.at] has left #openttd [] 21:47:06 <Bjarni> like the country in Africa where cotton is the main income and they sell it really cheap to other countries. Germany then buys a lot of it, wash it and sells it for a high price to where it was grown. They are too poor to build real washing facilities locally so they can't really afford to buy their own cotton back 21:47:38 <Bjarni> I forgot which countries this is... It's in the west somewhere 21:48:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F54463.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:48:50 <ln-> denmark? 21:49:52 <Bjarni> no... some African countries that lies in the western part of Africa 21:49:53 <orudge> [21:43:04] <ben_goodger> there aren't any 21:49:53 <orudge> [21:43:14] <ben_goodger> at least, none that I've ever seen 21:49:58 <orudge> you live in a deprived town, I guess 21:50:07 <orudge> Mold and St Andrews certainly have local butchers/fishmongers and markets 21:50:08 <orudge> and Kirkwall too 21:50:17 <orudge> those are the only towns I've lived in in recent years 21:50:20 <orudge> (in or near, anyway) 21:51:16 *** Rexxie is now known as Rexxars 21:52:29 <ben_goodger> I live in what is apparently the poorest county of western europe 21:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> that probably depends by which statistics you judge ;) 21:53:57 <Bjarni> ben_goodger: Ireland? 21:58:26 <Dominik> what's the reason for #define DEBUG_DUMP_COMMANDS in stdafx.h? is it for debug purposes only? 21:59:21 <Bjarni> sure sounds like it 21:59:27 <ben_goodger> cornwall 21:59:31 <skidd13> Dominik: yed for debug usage. (To find hard to reproducable errors) 22:00:08 <Bjarni> Dominik: in other words: you shouldn't care about it 22:00:13 <Bjarni> at least not for a while 22:00:25 <Dominik> i think it might be the cause of the bug i have been working on all day... so, yes i should 22:00:58 <Dominik> confirmed, that bug cost me ~8 hours of debugging 22:01:02 <Belugas> night all 22:01:06 * Belugas goes home 22:01:46 <orudge> ta ta 22:01:49 <ben_goodger> bai 22:09:44 *** tubul [~icechat5@82-170-7-78.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Quit: Want to try a new irc client. Download it at www.icechat.net] 22:10:58 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:11:14 <GoneWacko> now you know 22:11:19 <GoneWacko> meh wrong channel 22:11:55 <skidd13> wooo my 500 post in the forums 22:15:30 <ln-> syntax error 22:16:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> he said he posted a 500 in the forums, where is the syntax error? 22:20:29 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:21:21 <ln-> Bjarni: alert! it seems that apple might be abandoning slot-loading optical drives on macbooks! 22:21:48 <Bjarni> I know 22:22:09 <Bjarni> I read the rumours too 22:22:31 <Bjarni> I also read that they wanted to make a 50" TV with OSX in it so you could check main and stuff on it 22:22:41 <Bjarni> that didn't happen at the date it said it would 22:23:05 <ln-> and they're going to make macbooks aluminium grey.. :/ 22:23:44 <orudge> [22:21:20] <ln-> Bjarni: alert! it seems that apple might be abandoning slot-loading optical drives on macbooks! <-- I had fun with a disc getting stuck in mine some time ago 22:23:50 <orudge> I did manage to coax it out eventually 22:23:55 <orudge> but it was a bit hairy 22:24:21 <Bjarni> I'm not too found of slot loading drives 22:25:01 <Bjarni> I had mine replaced right away on warranty. It had a 50/50 chance of ejecting the disc when I requested it (hardware failure) 22:25:10 <orudge> speaking of things like that 22:25:14 <orudge> I need to get my battery fixed/replaced 22:25:38 <orudge> while my power adaptor was dead, my battery managed to entirely discharge (I'd basically run it down a bit too much, it seems) and now the MacBook doesn't recognise it 22:25:39 <ln-> you are the duracell bunny? 22:26:14 <Bjarni> power adaptor died? 22:26:14 <Bjarni> that sucks 22:26:22 <Bjarni> it happened to my PowerBook 5300 22:26:55 <Bjarni> and "funny" enough they had to order a new one. They didn't have a single one in the country >_< 22:27:23 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:27:23 <Prof_Frink> Someone should mod slotloading drives to fire ninja stars 22:28:26 <Bjarni> ? 22:30:33 <Osai> Bjarni: is openttd compatible to os x 10.5 yet? 22:30:40 <Osai> and btw. hi :-) 22:30:54 <Bjarni> sort of 22:31:08 <Bjarni> the screen driver is slower 22:31:30 <Osai> yep, I remember that 22:31:39 <Bjarni> apart from that all serious issues should be solved by now 22:32:03 <Bjarni> but... I have only seen 10.5 once... and that was on the computers in a mac store 22:32:17 <Bjarni> needless to say I didn't go there to code and debug ;) 22:32:55 <Osai> :p 22:32:56 * ln- compiled OpenTTD on 10.5 the day it was released. 22:33:04 <ln-> well, tried. 22:33:11 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A409B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 22:33:16 <Osai> I guy at our channel is reporting issues 22:33:36 <Osai> but he is not familiar. neither with openttd and nor with os x 22:33:54 <Bjarni> not to mention adding a perfectly valid sentence in Engrish 22:33:59 <Bjarni> wtf do you mean? :) 22:34:28 <Osai> engrish :p 22:34:34 <Bjarni> oh... you mean a random visitor claims to have issues on 10.5 22:34:51 <Osai> -and 22:34:55 * orudge hasn't yet upgrades to 10.5 22:35:03 <orudge> s/es/ed/ 22:35:07 <Bjarni> http://www.engrish.com/ <-- this is official Engrish 22:36:03 <Osai> okay. our random visitor is trying to fetch the error 22:36:13 <Osai> I hope he finds the console 22:36:24 <ln-> use the pastebin! 22:36:55 <Bjarni> Osai: http://www.engrish.com/detail.php?imagename=nagoya-castle-warning.jpg&category=Signs/Posters&date=2007-05-25 <-- if you want to write Engrish... then this is what you are up against 22:43:16 *** Mark [~Mark@5351EA48.cable.casema.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:49:02 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:49:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:49:36 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:53:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:24 <Dominik> which pathfinder uses the least memory and which is the fastest (computation-wise)? i don't care about finding good routes. 22:54:37 <glx> the old one 22:56:51 <Dominik> is that the one simply called TrackPathFinder? 22:57:23 <glx> the one in pathfind.cpp 23:02:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F841.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:27 *** rave [~user@86.155.143.64] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:07:22 <dih> night 23:07:24 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has joined #openttd 23:11:51 *** dih [~dihedral@dslb-084-057-234-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:24 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 23:15:00 <Sacro> so... PBS 23:15:05 <Sacro> which is the best patch currently 23:16:49 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.36 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 23:17:08 <Sacro> @seen fjb 23:17:08 <DorpsGek> Sacro: fjb was last seen in #openttd 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: * fjb would prefer a monorail maglev. 23:17:16 <Sacro> oh foo 23:18:24 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:20:47 <Rubidium> Sacro: I guess TTDPatch is currently best w.r.t. PBS 23:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> but behind the seven hills, with the seven dwarfs... 23:23:47 <Sacro> Rubidium: but i don't like patch, i like open :( 23:23:48 *** Spitfireleet [~Samuel@host86-133-4-41.range86-133.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 23:24:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> that doesn't even rhyme in english 23:24:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> how does that story go in the english translation? 23:25:03 <Rubidium> Sacro: you asked for the best patch with PBS 23:25:11 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:45 *** svip [~svip@cpe.atm2-0-78233.0x535a2072.boanxx18.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 23:26:10 <Sacro> whoooo 23:26:17 <Sacro> right, i've got trains to crash 23:27:21 <Sacro> right, i need some more signalling grfs 23:27:31 <Sacro> it looks quite easy to implement yellow signals 23:28:30 *** Zr40 [~zr40@2001:960:786:0:21b:63ff:fe9e:ab24] has quit [Quit: Zr40] 23:31:46 <Wezz6400> yellow signals, sounds like a great idea to me 23:32:05 <Wezz6400> nothing looks more stupid than train heading for a red signal with 160 KM/h 23:35:40 <Sacro> Wezz6400: well... i need some grfs drawing :D 23:35:55 <Wezz6400> don't look at me 23:36:15 <Wezz6400> I cannot draw, even the guy that draws xkcd can draw better than me 23:37:49 <Prof_Frink> Wezz6400: Well, xkcd is made of pure awesome 23:38:01 <lws1984> even if it is bad drawing 23:38:07 <Wezz6400> oh very true 23:38:25 <Wezz6400> however my drawings just plain suck 23:40:10 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 23:40:43 <ln-> Bjarni: what's your editor? 23:41:00 <Bjarni> it depends on what I'm doing 23:41:17 <Bjarni> usually Xcode 23:42:00 <ln-> m'kay 23:42:10 <Bjarni> all my commit messages are written in pico though 23:42:20 <ln-> you mean nano? 23:42:24 <Bjarni> no 23:42:25 <Bjarni> pico 23:42:27 <Sacro> zomg lobster 23:42:33 <ln-> ok 23:43:06 <Bjarni> ln-: btw maybe you can be helpful. I just learned that the nightly build server produces binaries that fails on 10.5 23:43:28 <Bjarni> when I compiled the very same rev and sent it to the guy with the issue it worked 23:43:39 <Bjarni> I can execute the binary from the nightly build 23:43:50 <ln-> fail.. do they crash or do not even start? 23:43:55 <Bjarni> fail to start 23:44:01 <Bjarni> not a proper binary 23:44:20 <Bjarni> 14/01/2008 22:40:43 com.apple.launchd[105] ([0x0-0x348348].org.openttd.openttd[24427]) posix_spawnp("/Users/Daniel/Desktop/OTTD-macosx-intel-nightly-r11838/OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd", ...): Bad executable (or shared library) 23:44:38 <Bjarni> and I have no idea why 23:44:39 <ln-> let me guess it's a mismatch of libiconv.dylib versions. 23:44:48 <ln-> assuming libiconv is used. 23:44:53 <Bjarni> it is 23:45:07 <Bjarni> but then why did the binary I made work 23:45:17 <Bjarni> I'm using the same version as the nightly build server 23:45:49 <Bjarni> well... I was thinking that you have access to 10.5. I don't 23:45:53 <Rubidium> Bjarni: that 23:45:55 <Bjarni> maybe you could figure out why it fails 23:46:01 <Rubidium> Bjarni: that's what I'm thinking is not the case 23:46:03 <ln-> hmmm, actually it's probably not about libiconv, because that problem arises only if you try to run something on 10.4 that is compiled on 10.5. 23:46:10 *** jonisdead [~chatzilla@33.166.187.81.in-addr.arpa] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 23:46:40 <ln-> Bjarni: when i get to work tomorrow, i'll look at it. 23:46:40 <Bjarni> I think I ruled out lib issues 23:46:43 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:47:13 <Bjarni> <ln-> hmmm, actually it's probably not about libiconv, because that problem arises only if you try to run something on 10.4 that is compiled on 10.5. <-- this is why SDKs should be used ;) 23:47:13 <ln-> or i could even download it now and look what it says 23:47:22 <Bjarni> no hurry 23:47:23 <Rubidium> Bjarni: are you sure your compiler links them against exactly the same libraries? I can imaging OSX has some lingering around 23:48:34 <Bjarni> since the compile farm kept failing and needed to be more and more modified we ended up giving it a full mac file system (when it comes to libraries, that is) 23:48:47 <Bjarni> so it should be the same as all macs running 10.4 23:49:37 <ln-> -bash: ./OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd: cannot execute binary file 23:49:46 <ln-> ./OpenTTD.app/Contents/MacOS/openttd: Mach-O executable i386 23:50:16 <Bjarni> hmm 23:51:06 <Bjarni> well 23:51:09 <Bjarni> I need to sleep now 23:51:25 <Bjarni> I was heading for bed when this issue showed up 23:51:26 *** lolman [~john@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:51:28 <Bjarni> an hour ago 23:51:32 <Bjarni> >_< 23:51:57 *** lws1984 [~lws1984@ip24-250-60-200.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: >:3] 23:52:22 <Bjarni> well... if anybody get any ideas on stuff to check then it would be most welcome 23:52:27 <Bjarni> I'm out of ideas :( 23:52:34 <Bjarni> goodnight 23:52:39 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a4163d.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:42 <ln-> and now he's gone 23:53:57 <ln-> here's the answer: http://lists.apple.com/archives/X11-users/2007/Dec/msg00332.html 23:53:57 <Sacro> but he'll return 23:54:32 *** roboboy [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:54:35 <ln-> i doubt that 23:56:14 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 23:58:40 <roboboy> gmorning 23:58:47 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!]