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00:00:38 <Gonozal_VIII> you are able to have trains in your hand since a very, very long time 00:03:57 <Bjarni> yeah 00:04:06 <Bjarni> both virtual and real life ones 00:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the weight of the average engine? 100t? 00:05:00 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-039-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #openttd [Leaving] 00:05:08 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-039-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 00:05:25 <Dominik> svip: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35306 00:05:39 <Bjarni> real life has models too xD 00:05:55 <svip> Well... I don't own a DS I'm afraid. 00:05:59 <Bjarni> <Eddi|zuHause> what's the weight of the average engine? 100t? <-- actually they go from 4t to 600t 00:06:27 <svip> Poor bridges. 00:06:28 <Bjarni> 100t for a "normal" locomotive is not far off though 00:06:34 <svip> But I guess they can lift much more than 600t. 00:06:47 <svip> And I assume these t's are tonnes, Bjarni? 00:07:00 <Bjarni> you know... Big Boy had a weight of 548 tons when it had a full tender 00:07:12 <Bjarni> I have seen pics of trains being pulled by two of them 00:07:22 <Bjarni> svip: metric tons 00:07:31 <svip> Oh wow, Bjarni, you said "tons". "Tons" in English is Imperial tons, and "tonnes" is Metric tonnes. 00:07:35 <svip> It is crazy, I know. 00:08:15 <svip> You know the English, they really want to be like the French. 00:08:15 <Gonozal_VIII> easy fix: ban imperial units 00:08:22 *** AntB is now known as Guest95 00:08:23 <Tefad> hmm i say tons like 1000lbs 00:08:24 <svip> Why are they in the game then, Gonozal_VIII? 00:08:25 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 00:08:43 <svip> Also, why not add Greek and Roman measurement while we're at it? 00:09:01 <Bjarni> http://www.steamlocomotive.com/allegheny/co1647a.jpg <-- here it is... the heaviest locomotive ever built 00:09:04 <svip> Oh, my train is travelling at 353 Roman paces per hour. 00:09:04 <Bjarni> 600t 00:09:44 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> easy fix: ban imperial units <-- only 3 countries refuse to use metric units... it goes without saying that USA is one of them 00:10:02 <Bjarni> the two others are 3rd world military dictatorships 00:10:33 <Gonozal_VIII> 3 military dictatorships refuse to use metric units... 00:10:54 <Bjarni> hehe 00:10:54 <ln-> since this is an English channel, shouldn't we use imperial units exclusively? 00:11:05 <Bjarni> NO 00:11:17 <Ammler> :) 00:11:20 <ln-> that would be much fun. 00:11:22 <Bjarni> this is a channel that honours scientific approaches 00:11:43 <Gonozal_VIII> not even a mile is a mile... 00:11:53 <Gonozal_VIII> or a barrel a barrel... 00:12:01 <Gonozal_VIII> nonono has to be different for everything 00:12:19 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't be as much fun otherwise 00:12:22 <Bjarni> http://www.steamlocomotive.com/allegheny/co1650.jpg <-- nice pic. You can really see the 3 axle bogie under the rather heavy firebox 00:12:39 <ln-> e.g. 88 mph sounds a lot cooler than 144 km/h. 00:12:40 <Bjarni> a barrel of crude oil is 159 litres 00:13:19 *** Guest95 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:25 <Bjarni> ln-: according to your beloved subtitles 88 mph is 123 km/h (in back to the future) 00:13:42 <Gonozal_VIII> i wonder why they don't measure time in something subjective too... like "moments" 00:13:55 <ln-> Bjarni: hah 00:14:18 <Gonozal_VIII> speed would be in feet per moment then... 00:14:24 <ln-> Bjarni: clearly 144 is a lot more accurate conversion thatn 123. 00:14:47 <Bjarni> it's not like speed and distance matters in back to the future anyway 00:14:51 <Bjarni> check the last one 00:14:54 <Gonozal_VIII> with different length of a foot depending on who says/writes it 00:14:58 <Bjarni> track ends in 1/4 mile 00:15:11 <Bjarni> they are gaining speed and are driving up to 88 mph 00:15:26 <Bjarni> yet it takes them 5 minutes to drive that 1/4 mile 00:15:31 <ln-> Bjarni: so THAT'S why the danes have not successfully performed time travelling yet? wrong translation. 00:15:40 <ln-> driving too slow. 00:15:44 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:15:56 <Bjarni> we got the time ahead of us 00:15:58 <Bjarni> no rush 00:17:54 <Tefad> C&O 00:19:31 <ln-> Bjarni: btw, was it a photo of you on the site? 00:21:54 <Bjarni> on what site? 00:21:59 <Bjarni> steamlocomotive.com? 00:22:13 <ln-> no, the student.dtu.dk 00:22:33 <Bjarni> I don't think so 00:22:52 <ln-> /~s99xxxx/something/ 00:23:31 <Bjarni> nope... no pics of myself 00:24:16 <Gonozal_VIII> Not Found 00:24:17 <Gonozal_VIII> The requested URL /~s99xxxx/something/ was not found on this server. 00:28:12 <Tefad> i'm rather close to CSX and NS rail lines 00:28:20 <Tefad> all there is in this state, pretty much 00:31:47 <Gonozal_VIII> so? 00:31:52 <Bjarni> nice 00:32:12 <Bjarni> specially considering how often they use the horn in America 00:32:19 <Bjarni> and how loud they are 00:32:29 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 00:33:01 <Gonozal_VIII> do trains over there really go that slow, that you can jump in and out while it's moving? 00:33:37 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't try that at 120 or 160 km/h... 00:34:45 <ln-> Gonozal_VIII: you mean: "wouldn't try that at 74.565 or 99.419 mph..." 00:35:21 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: not freight trains 00:35:32 <Bjarni> they usually move at 90 km/h or something like that 00:35:50 <ln-> Bjarni: you mean: 55.923 mph. 00:35:56 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't know... i don't see freight trains often here 00:35:58 <Bjarni> I mean 55 mph 00:36:43 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 00:37:10 <Bjarni> looks like there are 3 guys right outside messing with the catenary 00:37:12 <Bjarni> right now 00:37:47 <Gonozal_VIII> kill them 00:38:07 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Server closed connection] 00:38:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:21 *** Sacro [~Sacro@adsl-87-102-119-5.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:38:41 <Tefad> ah cool, the CSX line near here used to be C&O 00:38:58 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: that wouldn't be good 00:39:02 <Sacro> @seen Sacro 00:39:04 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Sacro was last seen in #openttd 1 hour and 54 seconds ago: <Sacro> he's a schizophrenic 00:39:07 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-084-063-039-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:20 <Bjarni> then their maintenance vehicle will block the track for ages 00:39:36 <Gonozal_VIII> ah... professional messers 00:39:41 <ln-> but you aren't going anywhere, so does it matter 00:39:50 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 00:40:11 <Bjarni> now they are gone 00:40:14 <Bjarni> I wonder what they did 00:40:31 <Gonozal_VIII> something is wrong with my transrapid :-/ doesn't accelerate above 210-220 with a length of 10 00:41:11 <Gonozal_VIII> but max speed is 312 00:41:35 <Gonozal_VIII> 18k hp should be enough... 00:45:22 <Bjarni> maybe it's too light 00:45:30 <Bjarni> too little weight on drivers 00:45:47 <Bjarni> should be 16 tonnes/axle 00:46:01 <Gonozal_VIII> that's 0 tonnes total 00:46:19 <Bjarni> ? 00:46:29 <Gonozal_VIII> transrapid :P 00:46:33 *** lugo [~lugo@p4FD5D85F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:46:36 <Bjarni> oh 00:46:37 <Bjarni> right 00:46:48 * Bjarni was thinking of ICE 00:47:06 <Gonozal_VIII> but it seems to be kind of realistic 00:47:30 <Gonozal_VIII> the planned track from munich airport to the city will be 40km with a travel time of 10 minutes 00:47:59 <Gonozal_VIII> that's about 240 km/h average... makes my 350 top look good 00:52:01 * Sacro tries to remember mutual exclusion stuff 00:52:48 <Tefad> 240km/h average? 00:53:27 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 00:53:33 <Tefad> spiffy. 00:53:42 <Gonozal_VIII> but i guess the 10 minutes include time to get in and out... 00:53:51 <Tefad> that's about 150MPH eh? 00:54:06 <Gonozal_VIII> top speed is above 300 mph 00:54:11 <Tefad> yup 00:55:26 <Gonozal_VIII> 502 km/h ingame... why is F4 01 502? nogood... 00:56:51 <Gonozal_VIII> now it has 500 :-) 00:58:34 <AntB> whoo, after all day i have a working GRF.... nearly 00:58:52 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe same for me 00:58:59 <AntB> yea but i was doing basics :P 00:59:21 <Gonozal_VIII> only 2 lines that i really worked on^^ 00:59:41 <AntB> (See the OpenTTD DS thread in the forums) 01:00:50 <Gonozal_VIII> forum doesn't want me to look at it 01:03:10 <AntB> lol, basically i'm just replacing the TTD menu gfx :D 01:03:34 <Bjarni> why? 01:04:15 <AntB> need smaller ones 01:04:40 <Bjarni> trying to make an official 320x240 port? 01:05:15 <ln-> a 32Ã32 port would be nice. 01:05:34 <Belugas> AntB, keep us postponed, it might be usefull for us too 01:05:53 *** AntB is now known as Guest97 01:05:57 *** AntB [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has joined #openttd 01:06:28 <AntB> ok, my connection sucks 01:06:33 <Bjarni> postponed? 01:06:40 <AntB> ? 01:06:40 <Bjarni> don't you mean keep us informed? 01:06:50 <Bjarni> <Belugas> AntB, keep us postponed, it might be usefull for us too 01:07:02 <AntB> i missed that, my connection died :) 01:07:06 <Bjarni> hehe 01:07:26 <AntB> died just after i sent "more like a 256x192 :)" 01:07:31 <ln-> Bjarni: what's virnxx14? 01:08:00 <AntB> and its Dominik whos doing the development for it 01:08:21 <Gonozal_VIII> on a phone? 01:08:32 <Bjarni> ln-: some gateway I presume 01:08:50 <ln-> could be virtual networkxx 14 01:08:57 <Bjarni> could be 01:09:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-157-131.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:33 <Bjarni> the fact is that I have one IP that connects to the gateway that the DHCP gives me 01:09:36 <Bjarni> and that's it 01:10:02 <Bjarni> I don't have access to a network where I can say connect to my neighbour or anything 01:10:15 <Bjarni> technically I could use wireless for that 01:10:28 <Bjarni> but then I would need a neighbour that I want to connect to first :P 01:10:51 <Gonozal_VIII> bah, still so much work to do until my special final super version is ready... 01:11:14 <Bjarni> super version? 01:12:03 <Gonozal_VIII> nice grf combination with patched game and then i'll play with that, yay 01:12:23 *** Guest97 [~AntB-UK@host81-141-195-13.wlms-broadband.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:12:24 <Gonozal_VIII> got landscape and infrastructure working, trains now too... 01:12:36 <Gonozal_VIII> ships still need fixing 01:12:46 <Gonozal_VIII> rvs a lot... 01:12:55 <Gonozal_VIII> planes are ok i guess 01:13:21 <Bjarni> by the time you are finished doing that we have already finished the engine pool and committed the patches 01:13:31 <Bjarni> :P 01:13:46 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't matter 01:14:18 <Gonozal_VIII> ok, for rvs it does 01:14:27 <Gonozal_VIII> main problem there is trams replacing trucks 01:15:16 <Gonozal_VIII> and i don't think you'll commit daylength patch, it has been around for a very long time 01:16:07 <Gonozal_VIII> disable tree growth patch maybe not either 01:19:05 <Gonozal_VIII> a patch that changes the station rating calculation would be nice... 01:20:00 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm time to sleep 01:20:06 <Gonozal_VIII> night all 01:20:07 <ln-> is U = {(x,y) | x²+y² <= 1} a subspace of R²? 01:20:17 <ln-> i'm guessing it isn't, but what say others? 01:20:34 <ln-> i'm not even purely guessing. 01:21:31 <Gonozal_VIII> huh? 01:22:11 <ln-> a s-u-b-s-p-a-c-e 01:22:49 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the thing they communicate through 01:23:38 <ln-> let's ask Bjarni. 01:24:59 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 01:25:38 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FD32.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:11 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N898P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:40 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: You just lost the game] 01:32:53 <Bjarni> oh 01:32:56 <Bjarni> a question 01:33:47 <Bjarni> hmm 01:34:28 <Bjarni> why shouldn't it be? 01:35:34 <ln-> i was thinking if we try e.g. (1,0) + (1,0), both arguments belong to U, but the result doesn't. 01:36:51 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B77CAA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 01:38:24 <Bjarni> xâU <-- is that what you mean? 01:38:41 <Bjarni> btw what would U be? 01:38:51 <Bjarni> I recall some of the letters but not really U :/ 01:39:21 <Bjarni> or is it that an x,y pair is on the unity circle? 01:39:23 <ln-> U is just U, it doesn't have a special meaning. 01:39:32 <Bjarni> ok 01:39:41 <Bjarni> just a pool then 01:39:50 <Bjarni> or whatever it's called in English 01:40:24 <Bjarni> what are x and y then? 01:40:31 <Bjarni> R? 01:41:27 <Bjarni> xââ 01:41:43 <ln-> not specified, but must be. 01:41:49 <Bjarni> ok 01:42:09 <ln-> limited by the condition mentioned above 01:43:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D98.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:43:54 <Bjarni> so it's the pairs of x,y (in â) where x²+y² <= 1. Surely it's not everything in â², but why wouldn't all of the numbers be within â²? 01:44:06 <Bjarni> hence being a subspace 01:44:34 <Bjarni> we *could* also make a scientific solution to this one 01:45:05 <Bjarni> if it's not part of â² then it's possible to find a number that's in U and not in â² 01:45:24 <Bjarni> part of = a subspace of 01:46:49 <Bjarni> ln-: btw why am I making your homework? :) 01:47:11 <ln-> *cough* i'm just thinking about these things in the middle of the night out of pure curiosity 01:47:44 <ln-> "A Euclidean subspace is a subset S of R^n with the following properties: 01:47:53 <ln-> 2. If u and v are elements of S, then u + v is an element of S. 01:48:06 <ln-> 3. If v is an element of S and c is a scalar, then cv is an element of S." 01:50:02 <Bjarni> are you absolutely sure that you aren't going to hand in an assignment about this tomorrow? 01:52:03 <ln-> yes, i can assure you i'm not handing in anything. i'm simply going to mark one more X after my name on the list, and hope someone else does it on the blackboard. 01:52:27 <Bjarni> blackboard? 01:52:37 <Bjarni> you guys actually use the blackboard? 01:52:46 <Bjarni> I mean students using it 01:52:53 <Bjarni> not professors only 01:53:20 <ln-> sure. 01:53:47 <ln-> what, you never need to count anything in front of a class? 01:54:38 * Bjarni wonders what ln- is talking about 01:54:51 <Bjarni> what kind of school do you go to? 01:55:02 <ln-> a university. 01:55:13 <Bjarni> ok 01:55:18 <Bjarni> that was a rhetorical question 01:55:26 <Bjarni> don't you have lectures? 01:55:35 <ln-> lectures + rÀkneövningar 01:55:52 <Bjarni> ok 01:55:59 <Bjarni> same here (we call it something else) 01:56:05 <Bjarni> but we never use the blackboard 01:56:13 <Bjarni> well 01:56:17 <ln-> what the hell do you do then? 01:56:30 <Bjarni> write on paper 01:56:50 <Bjarni> we don't tell anybody about our solutions 01:57:06 <ln-> and that can't be done at home because ...? 01:57:16 <Bjarni> and we ask the teaching assistant (can be the professor) if we are stuck on an assignment 01:57:39 <Bjarni> at home we don't sit in groups of 2-4 people talking about the assignments 01:57:54 <Bjarni> and there are no teaching ass. to ask either 01:58:04 <Bjarni> teaching ass.... got to remember that one xD 01:58:07 <ln-> there are, on #openttd 01:58:38 <Bjarni> so if I'm stuck on robot movement then I can just ask you? 01:59:01 <Bjarni> or say the power grid 01:59:02 <ln-> so... does it matter if you actually count anything, do you get some bonus by doing more? 01:59:13 <Bjarni> no 01:59:21 <Bjarni> in fact we don't have to show up 01:59:30 <Bjarni> but people failing to show up tend to fail the exam 01:59:48 <ln-> sounds a lot like the rÀkneövning system in à bo Akademi. 02:00:32 <Bjarni> one professor once made them mandatory to make the students show up 02:00:40 <ln-> except the ass. there counts something on the board after some time. 02:00:44 <Bjarni> then the % of the student passing the course increased 02:01:07 <Bjarni> so he kept on with his mandatory system 02:02:11 <Bjarni> so how is it working at your place? 02:03:38 <ln-> the NORMAL people here do as follows: each week there are 5..7 home exercises; you count 0..7 of them, and go to the rÀkneövningar thing. 02:04:11 <ln-> then you mark down which ones you have done (to a name list), and the lecturer or assistant picks random people to present their solutions on the blackboard. 02:04:15 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 02:04:16 <SmatZ> hmm I am testing OTTD AI ... and it is not THAT stupid as some people think... some of players didn't even bankrupt after 10 years of gameplay :-p 02:05:16 <ln-> corrections to the solution are made by the lect/ass. 02:05:36 <SmatZ> maybe building of bridges would need some care... those 32kph bridges look really stupid :-D 02:06:04 <Bjarni> we sometimes we get an electronic solution to the assignments and then we can ask questions if we still don't get it 02:06:16 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 02:06:18 <ln-> if you do enough exercises (more than 50% during whole course), you usually get a linear bonus to your final grade. 02:06:56 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Server closed connection] 02:06:57 *** pv2b [~pvz@c213-89-144-30.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 02:07:02 <Bjarni> we don't have standard rules for those things. Basically it's course dependant 02:07:14 <ln-> there is also a minimum percentage that you need to do in order to pass the course; usually 25% or 40%. 02:08:10 <ln-> Bjarni: are you required to attend to lectures? 02:08:37 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 02:08:40 <Bjarni> I had a course last year (funny enough the U question could have been in it). We had 8 assignments that we should hand in and they should be good enough to pass (say more than 50% correct) 02:08:51 <Bjarni> for each one failing we had to do better at the oral exam 02:09:11 <Bjarni> <ln-> Bjarni: are you required to attend to lectures? <-- usually not but it's a very good idea 02:09:17 <Bjarni> except in one case 02:09:45 <Bjarni> the guy showing up twice and then deciding to stay at home reading the book instead did better at the exam than me 02:09:52 <Bjarni> well 02:09:55 <Bjarni> than most of us 02:11:02 <Bjarni> basically he figured that the professor was unable to teach well and spending the same time on the book + the time the rest of us spent on the book made him better than if he had showed up for lectures 02:11:03 <ln-> not unheard of 02:11:14 <Bjarni> but professors are usually better than that 02:11:48 <ln-> that works if you actually use the lecture time to read the book and not eat & play ottd. 02:12:01 <Bjarni> I don't know what happened to this guy. He got some disease that made him stay away for 6 months 02:12:19 <ln-> wow? 02:12:32 <Bjarni> or maybe more 02:13:36 <Bjarni> you get it if you get body fluids from an ill person hence the commonly used name "kissing disease". Turned out that his girlfriend had kissed some random guy in a bar as a prank once 02:13:46 <ln-> i hate lectures that involve writing down 20 lines of text per minute all the time. 02:13:57 <Bjarni> and it was the only way they could think of where it could have come from 02:14:12 <Bjarni> I stopped writing so many notes 02:14:13 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 02:14:18 <Bjarni> usually it makes the notes bad 02:14:28 <Bjarni> and it takes the attention away from what the professor says 02:14:38 <ln-> indeed 02:15:32 <Bjarni> took me a while to figure out how to do it correctly :/ 02:17:06 <Bjarni> well 02:17:09 <Bjarni> I have to sleep now 02:17:15 <ln-> really? 02:17:16 <Bjarni> and you have to finish your homework :P 02:17:23 <ln-> true.. 02:17:36 <Bjarni> goodnight 02:17:46 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ae2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:26 *** murr4y [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:35 *** murr4y [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 02:21:14 *** murr4y is now known as murray 02:24:20 *** Wezz6400 is now known as Guest105 02:24:22 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 02:30:48 *** Guest105 [~Wezz6400@145-118-108-75.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:38:15 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 02:54:26 *** Ammler is now known as Awayler 02:54:33 *** Awayler is now known as Ammler 03:07:54 *** ThePizzaKing [~jeff@c220-239-221-34.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:00:52 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F54EFE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 04:07:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5616A.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33:13 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:46:34 *** dst_ [~dennis@p57A2B826.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:14 *** dst_ [~dennis@p57A2F164.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:47:28 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498D5E5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:39 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498CC22.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:02:59 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Server closed connection] 05:04:01 *** michi_cc [bc9e7c1316@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 05:04:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 05:18:03 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 05:18:03 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-167.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:18:34 <Jortuny> hm, if I'm playing a local copy of a network game, is there any way to take over one of the companies? 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Not all file types need this, but most of the time no sprite cache entry needed it either. 07:28:01 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has joined #openttd 07:40:17 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-65-198.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 07:40:17 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:33 *** shodan [user@150.101.101.219] has joined #openttd 07:46:38 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N774P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 07:48:28 <Gonozal_VIII> when i change strings in the english.txt file, compile fails with strange errors like "line has no ':' delimeter" and "language must include ##name, ##ownname and ##isocode" why that? 07:53:48 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-69-4.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 07:56:30 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody here yet? 07:56:58 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 08:07:11 *** gfldex_ [~dex@dslb-088-074-186-169.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:52 *** gfldex [~dex@dslb-088-074-167-185.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 483 seconds] 08:08:53 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-242.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:11:40 <peter1138> you're not saving it as a text file, probably 08:12:18 <Gonozal_VIII> i opened it with notepad and saved with notepad... 08:15:27 <Gonozal_VIII> different texteditor? some special compression needed? 08:21:50 *** dih|away is now known as dih 08:26:12 *** Gonozal_VIII [~Gonozal_V@N774P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:39 <peter1138> it's jsut a plain text file 08:31:53 <peter1138> hmm, maybe it needs a BOM, or doesn't need 08:32:24 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 08:36:34 *** Osai is now known as Osai|away 08:37:32 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 08:43:02 * dih waves 08:43:15 <dih> ^ that's better than air waves 08:46:23 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11941 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (chars.nfo chars.pcx openttd.nfo): -Change: Merge chars.grf, using action 12 to set glyphs 08:47:42 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11942 /trunk/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Merge chars.grf into openttd[d|w].grf using action 12. 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09:43:06 *** wnight_ [~r00t@s01060012171a40a9.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 09:43:21 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: wnight, Sogard, Frostregen, +michi_cc, DJ_Mirage 09:43:37 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 09:43:55 <Rubidium> waiting for somebody with spare time 09:44:00 *** Netsplit over, joins: Sogard 09:44:03 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:14 *** DJ_Mirage [~sexybigge@biggetje.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:04 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 09:47:55 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:52:59 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FD32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:53:04 <fjb> Moin 09:53:11 <dih> :-) 09:57:10 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-69-4.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:52 *** Desolator [~mircea@86.126.53.18] has joined #openttd 09:59:02 *** michi_cc [~michi@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 09:59:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 10:01:13 *** dih [~dih@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ===openttdcoop.org=== :tiuQ] 10:01:52 *** dih [~dih@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:01:52 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@212.24.150.226] has joined #openttd 10:01:54 *** Desolator [~mircea@86.126.53.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:18 *** dih is now known as Guest155 10:03:41 *** Guest155 is now known as dih 10:06:21 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 10:06:37 *** Ammler [~Ammler@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:07:22 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:08:28 *** lekro [~lekro@S01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 10:10:37 *** Ammler is now known as Awayler 10:10:42 *** Awayler is now known as Ammler 10:19:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-238-3.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:19:23 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-238-3.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:34:05 *** hylje [~hylje@joshua.dihedral.de] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 10:35:03 *** hylje [~hylje@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:35:41 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 10:44:33 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:49 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81657.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:47:18 <dih> hello tokai 10:48:11 <tokai> hello 10:51:05 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1C39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:27 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:55 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:15:39 *** dfox [~dfox@r5cv25.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 11:17:23 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:10 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 11:45:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 11:48:07 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485FDD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:51:58 <Leviath> Can someone tell me why this is? the road is build in the scenario editor. http://i28.tinypic.com/5uk7lw.jpg is it a bug? 11:55:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485FD32.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F590.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:19 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 12:00:21 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has joined #openttd 12:01:11 *** XeryusTC2 [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:01:48 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:02:19 *** XeryusTC2 [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 12:02:30 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:02:41 <SmatZ> morning 12:03:07 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:07:19 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 12:07:20 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netrep.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:07:41 *** XeryusTC2 [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:08:52 *** XeryusTC [~irc@cc480157-b.sneek1.fr.home.nl] has quit [Quit: May the ducttape be with you] 12:08:52 *** XeryusTC2 is now known as XeryusTC 12:09:34 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11943 /trunk/src/ (core/alloc_func.hpp misc.cpp): -Codechange: add and use a simple structure to support small stacks by allocating it on the heap or pushing a few kB of data onto the stack when there is a large stack. 12:10:03 *** Korenn [~blaat@78-27-14-50.dsl.alice.nl] has joined #openttd 12:13:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:14:05 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:16:45 *** dih is now known as dih|away 12:18:22 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-69-4.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 12:18:51 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Solong, and thanks for all the fish] 12:19:34 *** XeryusTC [~XeryusTC@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:23:20 *** Greysc[a]le [bnc@81.171.136.146] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:08 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:32:53 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:36:47 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:20 <Digitalfox> peter1138: You don't stop do you?? o_O http://fuzzle.org/o/stbr.png 12:46:31 <Digitalfox> Keep them coming :) 12:51:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:51:22 <peter1138> what? that's an old one, heh 12:51:37 <peter1138> i didn't realise you had a file monitor on my directories :P 12:51:47 <peter1138> am actually just updating the patch to head 12:52:01 <Digitalfox> I don't but i like to spy on what cool features you're working on ;) 12:52:45 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 12:52:51 <Digitalfox> To be honest i was just checking if the vehicles patch was updated ;) 12:56:59 <peter1138> heh 12:57:10 <peter1138> actually i just accidentally reverted the current update 12:57:17 <peter1138> so that'll have to wait til i get home 12:57:22 <peter1138> (where i've already done it) 12:58:38 <Digitalfox> Doesn't bridges over stations raises lot's of graphics problems? 12:59:12 <Digitalfox> Like stations that have a roof and a bridge over it will shock with the roof 13:00:23 <peter1138> the patch addresses that 13:00:34 <peter1138> i am not silly ;) 13:00:55 <Digitalfox> :) 13:01:13 <Gekz> peter1138: yay! 13:01:20 <Gekz> bridges over things 13:01:20 *** dih|away is now known as dih 13:01:44 *** LittleMikey [~mlawrence@124-169-96-95.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:02:00 <LittleMikey> Awww, dang, rickrolling has been banned :( 13:05:21 <Gekz> lol 13:07:49 <dih> LM check my whois :-D 13:08:37 <LittleMikey> what about it? 13:09:00 <dih> my hostmask :-) 13:09:56 <LittleMikey> dih is ~dih@members.openttdcoop.org * dih ? 13:10:13 <Gekz> :) 13:10:28 <LittleMikey> Not sure how that relates to rickrolling..... 13:10:33 <LittleMikey> But mabye i'm thick ^_^; 13:12:50 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 13:13:47 <LittleMikey> I'm so happy that my "You know you play OTTD too much when..." thread has reached 8 pages. I feel like i've actually contributed something ^_^; 13:16:25 <LittleMikey> Or just shortened the time till my death significantly... 13:17:47 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 13:18:22 <dih> it does not relate - i just like it :-) 13:19:24 <peter1138> that's a hostname, not a hostmask 13:20:59 <LittleMikey> lol okay 13:21:28 <LittleMikey> So whats the time in OTTD land? 13:21:58 <Forked> work-o-clock :( 13:22:25 <LittleMikey> Hmm I see 13:22:31 <LittleMikey> 10:22 PM here ^_^; 13:22:57 *** De_Ghost [~s@CPE0050ba8caf2c-CM0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:24:23 <Leviath> Now there are some more people in this channel, can someone tell me why this is? the road is build in the scenario editor. http://i28.tinypic.com/5uk7lw.jpg is it a bug? 13:25:01 <LittleMikey> *loading* 13:25:24 <LittleMikey> Search results 13:25:24 <LittleMikey> From #OpenTTDCoop 13:25:24 <LittleMikey> You searched for pbs 13:25:24 <LittleMikey> Jump to: navigation, search 13:25:24 <LittleMikey> There is no page titled "pbs". 13:25:30 <LittleMikey> whoops, wrong page >_> 13:25:49 <hylje> :o 13:25:58 <LittleMikey> ignore that ^_^; 13:26:33 <LittleMikey> Leviath: Have you tried dynamiting the road? 13:26:33 <Dominik> Leviath: the road isn't owned by your company. i think you can only build stations on your own roads 13:26:37 <SmatZ> LittleMikey: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/Presignal_Bypass_Station 13:26:56 <LittleMikey> Yeah... if it was a scenario built road you may need to delete and rebuild as your own company 13:27:13 <LittleMikey> I think there is a setting somewhere in configure patches "allow building on town owned roads" 13:27:17 <LittleMikey> check thats swiched to on 13:27:18 <SmatZ> Leviath: there is patch option "build roadstops at town owned roads" 13:27:25 <LittleMikey> ^what he said 13:27:28 <Forked> I started using that station the other day .. it's most excellent 13:27:33 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-69-4.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:27:51 <SmatZ> :) 13:27:55 <Leviath> SmatZ, that is on, I may build on my own roads, town owned but not neutral :s 13:28:24 <LittleMikey> Odd... 13:29:02 <SmatZ> Leviath: I will have a look at it 13:30:28 <LittleMikey> Leviath: What GRF's are you using there? 13:31:08 <Leviath> many, what are you referring to? 13:31:24 <Korenn> I just checked out the svn, compiled it successfully, but now when I try to debug it, it loads the .cfg of another openttd version I have installed somewhere? 13:31:32 <Korenn> which .cfg is it loading? 13:31:46 <Forked> windows or linux? 13:31:49 <Korenn> win32 13:32:00 <Forked> my documents\openttd\openttd.cfg ? 13:32:14 <Leviath> LittleMikey, opengfx terrain, nars roads, pbi, stolen trees, infra landscape, 13:32:15 <Korenn> and indeed it exists. 13:32:17 <Korenn> thanks 13:33:10 <LittleMikey> Leviath: COol, thanks :) 13:36:43 <LittleMikey> Oh, is anyone here interested in helping me judge the title page competition? I'd prefer not to do it all by myself ^_^; and since nobody has asked, I need to look around. 13:37:06 <LittleMikey> it'll only take one afternoon ^_- 13:37:49 <Korenn> hm, now I'm getting a spritecount assertion failure -_- 13:40:19 <Dominik> is it possible to store the president name in the cfg so that the game alvays uses the same name when a new game is started? 13:44:49 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-106-174-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 13:44:59 <Draakon> hi 13:45:23 <LittleMikey> Howdy 13:45:38 <Draakon> what's up? 13:46:19 <LittleMikey> Just feeling rejected by the community :P you? 13:46:50 <Draakon> nothing really, just haven't lately been here 13:47:41 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-69-4.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 13:48:07 <Draakon> peter1138, are you here? 13:50:07 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-242-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:53:18 <LittleMikey> !seen peter1138 13:53:35 <LittleMikey> oh that dosent work here >_< 13:53:38 <dih> @seen peter 1138 13:53:38 <DorpsGek> dih: seen [<channel>] <nick> 13:53:48 <Draakon> he is currently online, not responding currently 13:53:50 <dih> @seen peter1138 13:53:50 <DorpsGek> dih: peter1138 was last seen in #openttd 34 minutes and 25 seconds ago: <peter1138> that's a hostname, not a hostmask 13:54:07 <dih> shush ^^ 13:55:48 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-62-167-69-4.adslplus.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:32 * LittleMikey feels like a retard... again 13:57:57 <Draakon> why? :D 13:59:08 <SmatZ> Leviath: will be fixed most likely 13:59:24 <Leviath> ok, thank you SmatZ 14:02:19 *** shodan [user@150.101.101.219] has quit [Quit: Client Exiting] 14:03:26 <Tefad> YAY! r11614 -Fix: The about dialog scrolling was connected to the mouse instead of the internal ticks 14:03:34 <Tefad> that bugged me for so long : D 14:03:51 *** LA[lord] [~LAlord]@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has joined #openttd 14:04:02 <dih> ^^ 14:04:30 *** LA[lord] is now known as LordAzamath_ 14:04:48 <LordAzamath_> hello 14:05:03 <peter1138> you might like r11742 too then 14:05:03 <SmatZ> hello LordAzamath_ 14:05:04 <Draakon> Hi LordAzamath 14:05:43 <LordAzamath_> Draakon: you care to join #openttdcoop? 14:05:51 <Draakon> i am there 14:05:58 <LordAzamath_> not ingame 14:06:06 <LittleMikey> hey LA 14:06:20 <Draakon> why do i need to come to ingame? 14:06:37 <LordAzamath_> umm... for playing? 14:06:57 <peter1138> "#openttdcoop" denotes an irc channel, for chatting 14:07:32 <SmatZ> :D 14:11:15 * Draakon has to go now, so everyone bye! 14:11:25 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-106-174-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: BYE!!] 14:12:54 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 14:12:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 14:13:53 <LittleMikey> I'm off too, see you all 14:14:01 *** LittleMikey [~mlawrence@124-169-96-95.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 14:19:49 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:25:20 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has joined #openttd 14:26:06 <fjb> Moin frosch123 14:26:17 <frosch123> hello fjb 14:27:23 *** Frostregen_ [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-096-011.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 14:33:02 *** Frostregen [SADDAM@dslb-084-058-127-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:02 *** Frostregen_ is now known as Frostregen 14:34:33 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:41:18 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 14:43:31 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-175.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 14:51:22 *** LordAzamath_ [~LAlord]@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 14:55:12 *** yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:55:15 <yorick> hello 14:56:50 *** clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-127-113.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:57:10 <yorick> @seen Gonozal_VII 14:57:10 <DorpsGek> yorick: I have not seen Gonozal_VII. 14:57:14 <yorick> @seen Gonozal_VIII 14:57:14 <DorpsGek> yorick: Gonozal_VIII was last seen in #openttd 6 hours, 41 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Gonozal_VIII> different texteditor? some special compression needed? 14:58:29 *** clara30 [~clara30@ANantes-257-1-127-113.w90-25.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [] 14:58:59 <yorick> silent in here :) 14:59:16 <NukeBuster> :) 14:59:22 * yorick prepares to copy-paste the whole userlist 15:00:20 <Rubidium> you should do that; gives you instant attention 15:04:13 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 15:05:32 <dih> gives you instant gudge from everybody else also 15:18:39 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 15:20:34 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 15:25:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:24 *** NukeBuster [~opera@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:07 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:31:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> and a couple of *plonk*s for sure 15:34:28 <yorick> :-) 15:40:26 *** stillunk1own [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has joined #openttd 15:40:26 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:51 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r11944 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix: allow building drive-through road/tram stops at road/tram track that has no owner 15:41:54 <yorick> finally :) 15:42:38 <SmatZ> :) 15:42:42 <SmatZ> Leviath: fixed 15:42:49 <yorick> I've missed that for a long-long time 15:43:05 <Leviath> nice :) 15:43:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> yorick: i have the impression you'd better fit into #tycoon 15:43:34 <SmatZ> :) 15:44:55 * yorick joins #tycoon 15:45:46 * dih locks the door 15:46:44 <yorick> grmbl.....let me out.....aah 15:47:52 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r11945 /trunk/src/fios.cpp: -Fix: FileExists() failed for non latin paths (win32) 15:48:42 <dih> heh 15:53:04 *** Osai|away is now known as Osai 15:57:33 * yorick goes on writing a script to learn the basics of squirrel for NoAI 15:59:08 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-182-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:37 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-242.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:22 <dih> can the recently added river support be generated if the grf is loaded? 16:03:33 <dih> rephrase 16:03:48 <yorick> huh? 16:03:55 <dih> can the map generator also add rivers to the map if the river grf is loaded 16:03:59 <yorick> nope 16:04:22 <yorick> yes it can, if you send peter1138 an algorithm to do it 16:04:37 *** |Bastiaan| [~Bastiaan@77.60.199.139] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:04:46 * dih is asking everybody but yorick :-P 16:04:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> dih: hylje was starting a project about that 16:04:56 <dih> sweet - thank you :-) 16:05:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's on the wiki "Lively_Rivers" or something 16:05:18 <yorick> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Lively_Rivers 16:05:29 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC by prozac - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:05:35 <yorick> its a project from me, hylje and eddi 16:05:52 <yorick> and Gonozal_VIII ofcourse 16:06:09 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:08:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r11946 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 16:08:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: -Fix: slope detection of bridge ramps. 16:08:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: YAPF failed for steep slopes. 16:08:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Trolly failed for a lot. 16:08:50 <yorick> [17:08] <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Trolly failed for a lot. =) 16:08:57 <yorick> it still does 16:09:40 *** Zavior [~zavior@d195-237-7-242.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:11:24 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-182-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:42 *** Deathmaker [~Miranda@dslb-082-083-182-184.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:48 <yorick> too...much...silence...waisting....time 16:21:16 *** Zaviori [~zavior@d195-237-7-242.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:21:55 <dih> shhhh 16:22:20 <yorick> you're trying to make me crazy, eh? 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CITY=[]===[]=CITY, where the [] are road stations (not roadstops) and = is the road :| 18:07:26 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has joined #openttd 18:07:26 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 18:08:24 <dih> hello peter1138 18:08:44 *** frosch123 [~mtce@kolmogoroff.math.tu-clausthal.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:51 <peter1138> yes, it is I 18:09:05 <dih> aye 18:17:02 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:29 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fceaa.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:12 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:03 *** Yorick|AFK is now known as Yorick 18:29:44 <Yorick> back 18:32:39 *** murray [murray@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::78a9] has joined #openttd 18:37:34 *** Osai is now known as Osai^Kendo 18:39:53 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-106-174-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 18:39:58 <Draakon> hello 18:40:33 <Yorick> hello 18:43:32 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:46:31 *** SpBot [terom@marttila.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:49:51 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:51:31 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-242-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 18:52:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F590.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:44 *** last_evolution2 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:53:51 <fjb> Biggest City ever seen: http://www.myimg.de/?img=Cityline17Jun19300c27c.png :-) 18:54:11 *** last_evolution3 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 18:54:20 <Draakon> too long loading here 18:54:34 *** SpBot [terom@marttila.de] has joined #openttd 18:55:02 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:55:07 <fjb> The sever seams to be qiet busy today. 18:55:15 *** skidd13 [~skidd13@p548A6FDB.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [Ping timeout: Hmm ping sucks :D] 18:56:02 * Sacro severs fjb 18:56:14 <dih> hehehe 18:56:18 * dih does not want to know 18:57:13 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:59:54 *** Tlustoch [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:27 *** last_evolution2 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:42 *** Diabolic-Angel [~dia@xdsl-81-173-251-175.netcologne.de] has joined #openttd 19:08:09 *** Sogard^ [~Sogard@ip68-3-110-14.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:19 *** Draakon [~chatzilla@88-196-106-174-dsl.trt.estpak.ee] has quit [Quit: SA!] 19:12:40 *** caladan [~caladan@161-bem-18.acn.waw.pl] has joined #openttd 19:14:59 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-98-65-198.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:59 *** Sogard^ is now known as Sogard 19:22:21 *** planetmaker [~chatzilla@Fceaa.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]] 19:28:31 *** Jortuny [~octernion@r253186120.resnet.cornell.edu] has joined #openttd 19:51:46 *** Dark_Link^ [~glidegame@fw.dormnet.his.se] has joined #openttd 20:00:21 *** Gonozal_VIII [user@cm56-182-132.liwest.at] has joined #openttd 20:04:13 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11948 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttdgui.nfo openttdgui.pcx): -Change: add river icon and cursor, drawn by skidd13. 20:04:28 <dih> nice 20:04:42 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11949 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add river icon and cursor, drawn by skidd13. 20:04:58 <peter1138> duplicates! 20:05:03 <dih> ^^ 20:05:19 <peter1138> now to play with foobar's scenario 20:05:27 <dih> :-) 20:06:31 <Yorick> are these things preperations for lively rivers? 20:06:35 <Yorick> ;) 20:06:49 <hylje> likely unrelated 20:06:52 <Gonozal_VIII> icon and cursor... sprites... no code ;-) 20:06:58 <Gonozal_VIII> what did i miss? 20:07:01 <hylje> LR design isn't even finished 20:07:25 * Yorick pokes peter 20:07:45 <Yorick> are you guys having a screen with this channel on all the time? 20:07:53 <hylje> yes 20:07:57 <Yorick> or do you have a highlight on "lively rivers"? 20:08:09 <hylje> no 20:08:29 <Gonozal_VIII> i read everything while i'm here 20:08:43 <Yorick> I say "lively rivers" and not a minute away you 2 respond 20:08:59 <Gonozal_VIII> i just came home from uni 20:09:12 <peter1138> what? 20:09:25 <Gonozal_VIII> they let us go earlier :-) 20:09:57 <Yorick> its 21:09 20:10:12 <Gonozal_VIII> yep 20:10:25 <Yorick> that late? 20:10:53 <Gonozal_VIII> normally it ends at 20:30 and then 30 minutes tram, 15 minutes walk 20:11:25 <Yorick> :O 20:12:47 <Belugas> Yorick, those are preparatory work for deep sea tunneling patch 20:12:52 <Gonozal_VIII> 30 minutes tram... wouldn't move a pixel in that time 20:13:28 <Gonozal_VIII> don't tease that poor guy belugas 20:13:29 <Yorick> wow 20:13:35 <Yorick> yes 20:13:58 <peter1138> heh 20:14:55 <Gonozal_VIII> and i played with tunnels below the water level... they're not as useful as one could think 20:15:24 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 20:15:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-177-232.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:16:12 <Gonozal_VIII> long tunnels without signals inside suck and a bridge could do the same cheaper... 20:16:41 <Belugas> me? 20:16:46 <Belugas> teasing? 20:16:48 <Belugas> naaaaa... 20:18:00 *** Osai^Kendo is now known as Osai^Kendo|away 20:20:49 <Gonozal_VIII> la opened and responded to a file called "PENIS, 28th Sep 1978.png" 20:21:52 <Gonozal_VIII> well.. he responded to the next post after that... but that counts too! 20:22:02 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:53 <Ammler> hmm, not possible to search for bug of reporters? 20:24:57 <Ammler> at FS 20:25:14 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:25:22 <Ammler> I like to show someone else the growing bug 20:25:41 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:25:41 <Yorick> huh? 20:25:43 <Ammler> Phzaorx did post it, possible to search for that? 20:26:09 <Ammler> Yorick: trains grow when they drive in horizontal or vertical parts 20:26:27 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 20:26:29 <dih> hehe 20:26:35 <Ammler> that makes following trains slowdown 20:26:43 <Gonozal_VIII> that's a hard one to fix 20:26:45 <Belugas> that is not a bug 20:26:48 <Yorick> what's phazorx's real name 20:26:58 <dih> "hello train number x - i rember you when you were /that/ small" 20:27:00 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 20:27:06 <Ammler> well its there since beginning 20:27:08 <Gonozal_VIII> it is a bug belugas :P just everybody adapted to it 20:27:22 <Belugas> it is not a bug 20:27:25 <Ammler> :) 20:27:29 <dih> Yorick: Phazorx is all that matters :-) 20:27:31 <Ammler> how do you call it 20:27:35 <Yorick> do it's not 20:27:36 <Belugas> it is the use of the iso stuff perspective 20:27:40 <Belugas> that's it 20:27:42 <Yorick> I can only search for real names 20:27:59 <Belugas> a bug is a system crashing 20:28:05 <Belugas> a behavuour that is not right 20:28:09 <Belugas> but that... 20:28:12 <Belugas> come on... 20:28:13 <dih> search for phazorx :-) 20:28:28 <Ammler> hmm, current coop game has to fight with that 20:28:31 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:37 <Ammler> if you use long trains, you will have that problem 20:28:39 <Belugas> that is just how the system is done. no more no less 20:28:48 <Yorick> dih: not in the list 20:28:57 <dih> that search for the topic 20:29:09 <Belugas> it is not a bug it is not a bug it is not a bug it is not a bug it is not a bug it is not a bug it is not a bug it is not a bug it is not a bug 20:29:09 <Ammler> oh, its mor fun, then bad 20:29:27 <Yorick> Your search returned no results. 20:29:27 <Gonozal_VIII> ammler... idea to fix that: make faster trains behind slower ones adapt to their speed without slowing down to 0 20:29:27 <Ammler> (I guess, that means its not in FS anymore) 20:29:35 <Yorick> belugas:stop bugging the bug! 20:29:35 *** last_evolution2 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 20:29:46 <Belugas> ok 20:29:56 <Yorick> ;) 20:29:57 <Belugas> it is not a Yorick it is not a Yorick it is not a Yorick ... 20:30:08 <Yorick> that's a bug too 20:30:16 <Belugas> yeah.. bugger 20:30:20 <Belugas> bugging bugger 20:30:22 <Belugas> lol 20:30:25 <hylje> bugger all 20:30:52 <Yorick> hylje: stop bugging the buggers that bug the bugs! 20:31:16 <Belugas> it is not a bug 20:31:23 <Yorick> xD 20:31:31 <Leviath> :o that river-icon is nice 20:31:35 <Yorick> poor imiginary person called "bug" 20:31:51 <Yorick> he got highlighted atleast 10 times 20:32:01 <Belugas> i call it a strange perspective situation 20:32:20 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-163-29.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 20:32:22 <peter1138> heh 20:32:27 <peter1138> it's a feature 20:32:39 <dih> bill gates said that about bluescreens also 20:33:07 <Belugas> blue screens are used a lot in the cinema industries. 20:33:10 <Belugas> see? a feature 20:34:17 <Yorick> #openttdfairplay: <Mr_Console|2> Player has left the game (desync error) <- dih, did you really patch the server to my idea :D 20:34:26 <peter1138> to fix it, everyone's nicely fitting graphics would break 20:34:59 <dih> Yorick: i told you before 20:35:13 <dih> my servers are not patched in a way that they give a different error moessage back 20:35:29 <Yorick> but it looks like it... 20:35:37 <dih> i looks like a desync 20:35:50 <dih> and a desync is a desync not a kick and not a connection dropped 20:35:54 <dih> it's a desync 20:36:02 <dih> and i told you that before 20:36:07 <Ammler> OK, I agreee, its not a bug 20:36:25 <dih> who beat you up Ammler? 20:36:26 <Yorick> the timing makes it look like a bug 20:36:27 <dih> ^^ 20:36:29 <Yorick> erm 20:36:31 <Yorick> a kick 20:36:34 <dih> [21:34] <Mr_Console|2> Player has joined the game 20:36:34 <dih> [21:36] <Mr_Console|2> kicking Player for bad nick 20:36:34 <dih> [21:36] <Mr_Console|2> Player has left the game (kicked by server) 20:36:37 <dih> that is a kick 20:36:40 <Ammler> but is it still possible to search for Phazorx (wrong) posted FS entry? 20:36:48 *** last_evolution3 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:52 <Yorick> if you give me his real name... 20:36:59 <Ammler> hmm 20:37:01 <SmatZ> Ammler: yes, you can opt to show closed tasks too 20:37:04 <dih> Ammler: search for his real name 20:37:11 <Ammler> @seen phazorx 20:37:11 <DorpsGek> Ammler: phazorx was last seen in #openttd 8 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, and 34 seconds ago: <Phazorx> i can see what you meant by gradual now 20:37:21 <dih> :-( 20:37:25 * dih misses phazorx 20:37:56 * Yorick misses truelight more 20:38:07 <Gonozal_VIII> wtf 9 weeks, that's like, very long 20:38:17 <dih> that's like 9 weeks, yes 20:38:19 <Yorick> no, thats like 9 weeks 20:38:23 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 20:38:27 <hylje> i think its like 9 weeks.. 20:38:33 <hylje> oh, snap 20:38:35 <Yorick> :D 20:38:50 <Yorick> hylje: make original jokes! 20:38:50 <dih> hylje - you are a little behind :-P 20:39:06 <hylje> the joke was the lack of originality 20:39:15 <dih> posted 5 mins later 20:39:40 <dih> after everybody else already got to pick on it :-P 20:39:59 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:40:12 <Gonozal_VIII> how long a minute is depends on what side of the bathroom door you're on. 20:40:28 <Yorick> I have 2 bathroom doors 20:40:38 <Gonozal_VIII> 3 :P 20:41:02 <dih> lol 20:41:08 <Yorick> but I guess you don't have 3 bathroom doors on a houseboat, hehe }) 20:41:34 <Yorick> you don't even LIVE in one! 20:41:42 <Gonozal_VIII> a houseboat in the mountains wouldn't make much sense^^ 20:41:47 <Yorick> see? 20:42:00 <Yorick> mountain lake? 20:42:25 * Yorick is proud of being dutch:) 20:42:32 <Gonozal_VIII> yes we have a lake... but why would you want a house on that :S 20:42:52 <Yorick> you can see the ducks from the window 20:43:01 <Gonozal_VIII> i can do that here too 20:43:11 <Gonozal_VIII> i have a river in front of the house 20:44:07 <Yorick> but your house isn't moving 20:44:33 * Yorick likes having discussions that end up nowhere 20:44:39 <Gonozal_VIII> would be rather annoying if i had to search it everytime i want to go home^^ 20:44:50 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:56 <Yorick> well... it moves in range of a metre 20:45:35 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 20:45:35 <Gonozal_VIII> and that is good because?^^ 20:45:47 <Yorick> it gives the houseboaty feeling 20:45:51 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 20:47:36 <Yorick> this is how it looks like: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afbeelding:Woonboot.jpg but more red and less cubic 20:47:46 <Yorick> and bigger 20:48:13 <Gonozal_VIII> so... basically that is not how it looks like? 20:48:22 <Yorick> no 20:48:27 <Yorick> =D 20:48:38 <hylje> that looks really stable 20:48:43 <Yorick> its as wide as http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b5/AmsterdamHouseBoats_2004_SeanMcClean.jpg this one 20:48:49 <Yorick> but as high as the other one 20:48:51 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A47061.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 20:49:05 *** Sogard [~Sogard@ip68-3-110-14.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #openttd [] 20:49:07 <Yorick> hylje: it is 20:49:24 <Yorick> but the force of the water is enough to push it back & forward 20:49:52 <LordAzamath_> Is the custom sign limit removed from trunk? 20:49:56 <Yorick> it looks more like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Varende_woonboot.jpg 20:50:02 <Yorick> lordazamath: yes 20:50:02 <Gonozal_VIII> why are there no houses below the water? 20:50:15 <Yorick> there are 20:50:35 <Yorick> our houseboat has its sleeping rooms beneath surface 20:50:58 <glx> you can see the fishes? 20:51:10 <Gonozal_VIII> sleeping with the fishies^^ 20:51:47 <Yorick> there are no windows beneath surface 20:51:54 <Gonozal_VIII> booooring 20:51:55 <Yorick> that would be a hell of a job to clean 20:51:59 <Yorick> once a week 20:52:10 <Yorick> someone has to go in the water with a diving suit 20:52:14 <Yorick> cleaning that window 20:52:22 <Yorick> =) 20:52:27 <Gonozal_VIII> just open them and clean from the inside :-) 20:52:44 * glx was about to say that ;) 20:52:44 <Yorick> :D 20:52:52 <Yorick> aaw 20:53:08 <Gonozal_VIII> afterwards you can open a drain in the floor and let the water out again :-) 20:53:29 <Yorick> I think it would sink 20:53:38 <Gonozal_VIII> that's the point :-) 20:53:42 <Yorick> but it is high enough to sink as much as 20 cm 20:53:52 <Yorick> before it reaches the bottom 20:54:24 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't even drown in there? another boring aspect... 20:54:30 <Yorick> you can 20:54:31 <LordAzamath_> peter1138: you here? 20:54:42 <Yorick> its 7 meters deep in the middle 20:54:57 <Gonozal_VIII> middle of what? 20:55:03 <Yorick> but at the edge-where the houseboat is lying, its only 2 meters deep 20:55:43 <Yorick> the middle of the canal 20:55:44 <Gonozal_VIII> too much effort to drown then... drowning should be much easier 20:55:52 <Yorick> :O 20:56:08 <Gonozal_VIII> a canal or a river where you forgot to install the river grf? 20:56:12 <peter1138> maybe 20:56:31 <Yorick> it's a canal 20:56:44 <Yorick> only there for the houseboats 20:56:51 <Yorick> and the maintaining of the waterlevel 20:56:52 <Gonozal_VIII> ... 20:57:09 <Yorick> the docks have moved meanwhile 20:57:15 <Gonozal_VIII> they dug a whole canal for houseboats instead of just building them on solid ground? 20:57:24 <Yorick> :D 20:57:28 <LordAzamath_> peter1138: the newgrf pool patch.. 20:57:42 <Gonozal_VIII> engine pool 20:57:52 <LordAzamath_> do you think it'll be included in trunk soon? 20:57:57 <Gonozal_VIII> yes 20:57:58 <LordAzamath_> newgrf engine pool :P 20:58:19 <LordAzamath_> Gonozal_VIII: I asked Peter ^^ 20:58:36 <Yorick> can I swim in it 20:58:37 <Gonozal_VIII> pah... he knows nothing about that 20:58:46 <Yorick> ak jump out of the window? 21:00:26 <Yorick> I gotta go now 21:00:30 <Yorick> bye all! 21:00:34 <Gonozal_VIII> bye 21:00:38 <Gonozal_VIII> swimm well 21:00:40 <LordAzamath_> bye 21:00:42 <Gonozal_VIII> -m 21:00:51 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: rubidium * r11950 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (469 files in 28 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Sync with trunk r11566:11949. 21:01:14 *** Yorick [~yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: *Yorick drowned, his last were: "finally, a sync for NewGRF_ports!"] 21:01:48 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: smatz * r11951 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Fix (r11279): loading of very old savegames was broken 21:03:11 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ae2.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:03:13 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 21:03:35 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: too late :p 21:04:20 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:04:43 <Gonozal_VIII> :-( 21:04:57 <Gonozal_VIII> doesn't matter 21:04:59 <Gonozal_VIII> bjarni! 21:05:24 <Bjarni> obscene 21:05:31 <dih> i thought you were supposed to say !Bjarni 21:05:31 <Bjarni> you didn't realise that you are too late 21:10:37 *** HerzogDeXtE1 [~dex@i59F7C2DA.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:12:58 <fjb> What is the NewGRF_ports branch? 21:13:54 *** Gussoh [~gussoh@user9.82-197-255.netatonce.net] has quit [Quit: gigabitz c0mming up] 21:14:14 <Gonozal_VIII> airports and seaplane ports and things like that :-) 21:14:50 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 21:15:19 <fjb> Oh, cool. :-) 21:16:08 <Bjarni> check when the last commit was made 21:17:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~dex@i577B5577.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:48 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 21:19:50 *** last_evolution3 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:22:28 <Sacro> hmm 21:22:34 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 21:22:53 <Bjarni> hmmmm 21:24:15 <Digitalfox> hmmmmm 21:25:15 <hylje> hmmmmmm 21:25:23 <SmatZ> hmmmmmmm 21:26:19 <Bjarni> dammit... now the channel broke 21:26:24 <Bjarni> it started humming 21:26:35 <SmatZ> Bjarni you destroyed our snake! 21:26:38 <SpComb> Logs: http://spbot.marttila.de:8120/logs/oftc-ottd (old: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd ) 21:26:38 <SmatZ> !logs 21:26:41 *** De_Ghost [~s@cpe0050ba8caf2c-cm0011aec4b06a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 21:26:42 <Digitalfox> humming 21:26:58 *** last_evolution2 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:00 <Bjarni> the sound started around Sacro 21:27:06 <Bjarni> I think he broke the channel 21:27:42 * Bjarni starts diagnosing the channel 21:27:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F590.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:27:54 <Bjarni> I know where to send the bill so I'm not in a hurry xD 21:28:19 <Gonozal_VIII> his cardboard box has and adress now? 21:28:19 <Sacro> hmm 21:28:32 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm 21:29:21 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> his cardboard box has and adress now? <-- oh shit 21:30:23 *** lekro [~lekro@s01060014513484ae.ss.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:29 <Bjarni> I don't think the post office will accept "cardboard box saying 'take me home with you' somewhere around Hull" 21:31:18 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe 21:32:14 <Gonozal_VIII> where did that d come from btw... i didn't type that! 21:32:34 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 21:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's the one missing from address ;) 21:33:11 <Gonozal_VIII> makes sense i guess.. 21:33:40 <Bjarni> http://www.dannychoo.com/blogimg/takehomemaid2.jpg <--- this is a Sacro resident? 21:34:43 <Bjarni> it certainly fits the description I wrote before (except I don't think it's located in Hull) 21:35:03 <Gonozal_VIII> how do you know that? 21:35:07 <guru3> For a minute, I thought I was in the wrong channel. 21:35:19 <guru3> Or rather, that I'd gotten windows mixed around. 21:35:25 <guru3> Stupid dannychoo link. >_< 21:35:31 <Bjarni> hehe 21:35:42 <guru3> That's usually the sort of thing in window 13. 21:35:48 <Bjarni> <Gonozal_VIII> how do you know that? <-- people in Hull only know their own language 21:35:55 <guru3> This window (12) is #openttd. >_< 21:36:07 <Gonozal_VIII> that's why he's still there 21:36:09 <Chrill> Bjarni, which language is that cus it sure can't be English >_> 21:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> guru3: is that #tycoon? :) 21:36:31 <Bjarni> what is hiding under the top secret name of "window(13)"? 21:36:42 <Bjarni> Chrill: I didn't write English on purpose ;) 21:36:42 <guru3> 13, well. 21:36:50 <guru3> 13 is #animeblogger. >_< 21:37:02 <Bjarni> it's not Engrish either 21:37:23 <Chrill> It's more like Chinese to me 21:37:32 <Bjarni> it's Japanese 21:37:38 <Bjarni> saying "take me home" 21:37:56 <guru3> "Kawaii" 21:38:03 <Bjarni> don't ask me why those people are doing that 21:38:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> which is kinda obvious given the filename... 21:38:23 <Bjarni> the other side says "don't leave me" 21:39:17 <Bjarni> guru3: I don't think ãããããfits this one 21:39:21 <Bjarni> but maybe that's just me 21:39:45 <Bjarni> hmm 21:39:49 <Bjarni> maybe she is kind of cute 21:39:59 <Bjarni> but the whole situation is wrong :/ 21:40:08 <guru3> I see three questionmarks instead of what you probably actually wrote. 21:40:29 <Bjarni> I wrote kawaii in hiragana 21:40:36 <guru3> Jappari. 21:40:47 <Bjarni> fix your UTF-8 encoding 21:40:59 <guru3> It's screen. And irssi. And the terminal. 21:41:00 <glx> or the font 21:41:26 <Rubidium> Bjarni: writing words in a childish language again? 21:41:40 <guru3> Anyway, no, I didn't think "Kawaii" from the picture. I just tossed the word out there. 21:42:20 <Bjarni> Rubidium: guru3 started writing it and then I said that it's unsuitable for the situation... HE STARTED IT!!! 21:42:22 <Bjarni> :P 21:42:34 <glx> for once ;) 21:42:49 <guru3> It's IRC. I can't help it. Reality tends to go out the window. 21:42:58 <guru3> Plus it's #openttd. I'm confused. 21:43:03 <Rubidium> guru3 didn't start writing in Hiragana 21:43:22 <guru3> ASCII FTW. 21:43:23 <Bjarni> but it's plain wrong to write Japanese without Hiragana 21:43:40 <Bjarni> well... except if you use Kanji but that's another story 21:43:41 <guru3> That's fine and dandy... if you know Hiragana. 21:43:56 <Bjarni> yeah 21:44:00 <Bjarni> you and your computer that is 21:44:02 <Rubidium> Bjarni: you better use Romaji 21:44:08 * guru3 blames the software. 21:45:17 <Bjarni> you installed it 21:45:33 <Rubidium> and Hiragana is (basically) for Japanese children 21:45:33 <guru3> Damn. Since it's gentoo, you're right. 21:49:14 <Bjarni> guru3: wtf... you have ops in an anime channel??? 21:49:18 *** divo [~asd@0x4dd443c6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:49:26 <Bjarni> o_O 21:49:26 <guru3> Ironic isn't it? 21:49:39 <guru3> Specifically, I have master. Long live voluntary coding. 21:49:59 <Bjarni> ironic isn't the first word that came to my mind 21:50:07 <guru3> What is? 21:50:13 * guru3 hopes it isn't "sad" 21:50:18 <Bjarni> wtf is more like it 21:50:31 <guru3> That's an acceptable response. 21:50:47 <Bjarni> "wtf" is one word :P 21:50:59 <Bjarni> at least on IRC 21:51:04 <Bjarni> but... how? 21:51:17 <guru3> That's... a pretty good question. 21:51:23 <guru3> I sort of wonder myself. -_- 21:51:37 <Bjarni> you built a wall in your home with amine DVDs and posted pics of it and they started seeing you as a god or something? 21:51:37 <guru3> I was googling something to do with anime... and wound up there. 21:51:53 <guru3> Hung out for a while, then wrote a web app or two. 21:52:00 <guru3> Then viola! 21:52:11 <Bjarni> scary 21:52:19 <guru3> Ph34r the coders. 21:52:44 <Bjarni> I mean... writing a web app can give you master access to somebody else's server 21:52:48 <Bjarni> or channel 21:53:01 <guru3> No, I was granted that by the original master of the channel. 21:53:16 <guru3> (On IRC Highway there's founder/master/owner status declared with the !) 21:53:16 *** LordAzamath_ [~LAlord]@ip101.cab22.ltln.starman.ee] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.5 : http://kopete.kde.org] 21:53:35 <guru3> I went from regular, to + to @ to ! 21:53:59 <guru3> Worked my way up the ranks. 21:54:09 * Bjarni wonders about one thing 21:54:19 <Bjarni> why did I even go there to see you? 21:54:29 <guru3> Yeah, I was sort of wondering about that too. 21:54:36 <Bjarni> I mean... now I'm in an anime channel.... and basically I'm not a big anime fan 21:54:43 <Bjarni> well 21:54:50 <Bjarni> maybe I wanted to spy on you 21:54:57 <guru3> It couldn't possible by that you recognize my years of idling here, that I'm an interesting person and... were bored? 21:55:10 <Bjarni> bored? 21:55:23 <Bjarni> I have a whole lot of stuff I'm supposed to do 21:55:31 <guru3> I can't explain it then. 21:56:36 <guru3> But banzai for visitors! :> 21:58:51 <Bjarni> hehe 21:59:01 <Bjarni> I'm so happy that I joined an idle channel 21:59:07 <Bjarni> now I have somewhere else to idle too :P 21:59:16 <guru3> Usually it's quite active. >_< 21:59:25 * guru3 goes to check his ircstats. 21:59:27 <Bjarni> yeah right 21:59:51 <Bjarni> that's what the people running channels always says about their own one 22:00:13 <guru3> http://electricpotential.net/ircstats.php 22:00:35 <guru3> I've been there 340 days, and in that time 1.77 million lines. 22:00:58 <guru3> I've been here for 1135 days, and in that time 1.60 million lines. 22:01:10 <guru3> And that's... a lot of lines. 22:01:16 *** Nukebuster [~wouter@a62-251-21-79.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 22:12:05 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-242-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:13:05 <Gonozal_VIII> number of industries at world generation also changes how much of them are generated during the game? 22:13:26 <glx> no 22:13:41 <Gonozal_VIII> ok.. 22:13:46 <Gonozal_VIII> george just wrote that 22:13:59 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:14:19 <SmatZ> well... there is a bigger chance an industry will be generated on a bigger map simply because there is more space 22:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> it could be that his newgrfs check this setting for things 22:14:29 <SmatZ> so more tries will be successful 22:14:34 <Gonozal_VIII> anything else changes the number of new industries? 22:14:36 <glx> create a game with none, some will appear during game 22:14:54 <Gonozal_VIII> yes i know 22:14:57 <SmatZ> also, if "only one industry of each type per town" affects this a lot 22:15:03 <Gonozal_VIII> would be nice if you could set that 22:15:33 <glx> for ecs town, it's only one per town and only one of each type per map 22:15:35 *** mindlesstux [~mindlesst@2001:470:1f07:16c:240:f4ff:fe52:a74e] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:54 <Gonozal_VIII> the tourist things, yes... 22:16:06 <Gonozal_VIII> most of them never appear 22:16:23 <Bjarni> guru3: now I know what happened... everybody are watching anime 22:16:33 <glx> they have nasty landscape requirements 22:16:35 <Bjarni> well... except me... I'm doing serious stuff right now 22:16:39 <guru3> Bjarni: It happens. 22:16:53 <glx> the big castle is the weirdest 22:17:04 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, i've read that... 22:17:40 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11952 /trunk/src/ (industry_cmd.cpp water_map.h): -Fix (r11926): Prevent industries from being built on rivers, unless they require water. 22:17:45 <Gonozal_VIII> and the japan thingy sometimes appears on a tiny island in the water 22:17:49 *** ben_goodger [~ben@86.156.58.184] has joined #openttd 22:18:14 <glx> this one just need a small hill 22:18:35 <Gonozal_VIII> yes... or a tiny island 22:19:21 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: that's a pretty descriptive bug report "the japan thingy appears on water"... I guess you have to be pretty much into not only the game but also the GRFs to understand what you just said 22:19:33 <Bjarni> I lack the GRF part :( 22:20:26 <Gonozal_VIII> not on water... it's a 2*2 tile industry and it's sometimes built on a island that consists of 4 half water tiles 22:20:38 <Gonozal_VIII> so... single raised corners 22:20:42 <Gonozal_VIII> -s 22:21:09 <glx> not our bug anyway ;) 22:22:17 <Sacro> wow 22:22:30 <Sacro> how many distros have openttd, openttd-beta and openttd-svn packages 22:22:43 <SmatZ> :) 22:22:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't even know if it can be called a bug... there's land, some other 2*2 building could be generated there too... it just looks strange because it doesn't have foundations 22:23:09 <Bjarni> Sacro: start listing them and tell us ;) 22:23:21 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:31 <Bjarni> is there a screenshot of what we are talking about? 22:24:59 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm can't fund there 22:25:07 <Gonozal_VIII> maybe he changed the placement rules 22:25:35 <Gonozal_VIII> ^^ 22:25:50 <Gonozal_VIII> "this industry requires flat land" 22:25:57 <Gonozal_VIII> click on flat tile next to it... 22:26:05 <Gonozal_VIII> "this industry requires sloped land" 22:26:13 <Sacro> Bjarni: Arch does 22:26:33 <Bjarni> hehe 22:27:23 <glx> Bjarni: http://glx.dnsalias.net:8080/openttd/screenshot%232.png 22:27:41 <Bjarni> thanks 22:27:48 <Gonozal_VIII> wow... extremely hard to fund a tourist center anywhere 22:27:49 <Bjarni> ok that looks weird 22:29:01 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:29:06 <glx> but I use an old ECSTown (8 dec) 22:29:46 <Gonozal_VIII> i've clicked on several hundred tiles now 22:30:08 <Gonozal_VIII> can't be built near water... 22:30:20 <Bjarni> http://www.mik.dk/upload/frederiksborg_slot_foraar_001.jpg <-- reminds me of this castle 22:30:20 <Gonozal_VIII> must be built in forrested area... 22:30:24 <glx> it may have change in beta 4 22:30:26 <Bjarni> they built it in the lake :) 22:30:35 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: what happens is the following 22:30:51 <Bjarni> on an island that completely disappeared under the castle 22:31:02 <Rubidium> there are multiple types of tourist centers and each time you try to build one a random one (with different placement rules) is chosen 22:31:24 <Gonozal_VIII> very strange... 22:31:28 <Rubidium> it's quite nasty behaviour and makes building them virtually impossible 22:31:32 <Gonozal_VIII> it should terraform 22:32:00 <Rubidium> yes, but that's not implemented (or rather there is not even a spec for that) 22:33:07 <glx> the better way would be to allow to choose the tourist center you want to build 22:33:18 <glx> but that's up to George 22:33:54 <Bjarni> maybe somebody should ask him why he decided as he did 22:34:10 <Bjarni> maybe it's some technical issue regarding the patch 22:34:21 <Rubidium> I guess the industry limit 22:34:40 <Rubidium> or rather industry type limit 22:35:19 <Bjarni> can't we increase it? 22:35:30 <fjb> Industry pool. :-) 22:36:00 <Bjarni> I mean increase it in a way there we will not break compatibility with the patch 22:36:03 <Rubidium> we already support 25 or so more industry types than TTDP does 22:36:12 <glx> Gonozal_VIII: ok with beta 4 I can't do it 22:36:33 *** lolman [~lolman@cpc3-leds2-0-0-cust55.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:36 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess that's the one that can't be placed near water 22:36:51 <Rubidium> and it's not that OpenTTD will hit the limit, but that his newgrfs combined will hit the TTDP limit 22:37:11 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Quit: le baii] 22:37:57 <Bjarni> couldn't we add a GRF parameter telling the game to use a different (high number) industry type and make the patch ignore this parameter? 22:37:58 *** Osai^Kendo|away is now known as Osai 22:38:14 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-238-3.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:38:20 <Bjarni> naturally the patch guys should write an ignore rule for such a feature 22:38:38 <Bjarni> but then it would work rather nicely for us and still work in the patch with the needed limitations 22:38:58 <Gonozal_VIII> action 7 that checks if it's patch or open 22:39:17 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of grfs have that 22:39:38 <Bjarni> so you could write "if (action 7 == something) (code) else (code)"? 22:40:06 <Gonozal_VIII> skip the stuff for open if it's patch 22:40:43 <Rubidium> Bjarni: yes you can *but* it would cause lots and lots of duplication of data 22:40:51 <Bjarni> "if openttd set industry type = xx; if patch set industry type = something else"? 22:41:14 <Bjarni> that would be a lot of work 22:41:17 <Gonozal_VIII> you never worked with grfs? 22:41:33 <Bjarni> I didn't get grfcodec ported until recently 22:41:57 <Bjarni> so for years whatever I decoded looked odd and I couldn't encode anything useful 22:42:05 <Gonozal_VIII> it's really easy to let it skip some sprites 22:42:22 <Rubidium> skipping sprites isn't the hard part 22:42:31 <Rubidium> not getting vast amounts of duplication is the hard part 22:42:40 <Rubidium> as duplication == bugs 22:43:03 <Gonozal_VIII> hmmm not in grfs... 22:43:18 <Gonozal_VIII> i've looked at a lot of grfs recently 22:43:36 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: any idea how ECS NewGRFs work? 22:43:50 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:44:13 *** helb [~helb@62.240.176.23] has joined #openttd 22:44:15 <Gonozal_VIII> didn't look at them yet... so far only landscape, infrastructure and vehicles 22:44:29 <Rubidium> those are relatively easy 22:45:39 *** last_evolution3 [~last_evol@r6al232.net.upc.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:11 <Gonozal_VIII> but... code for open... code for patch... action 7 to skip the not needed part... doesn't matter how big the skipped part is 22:46:48 <Bjarni> hmm 22:46:56 <Bjarni> I just started wondering about something 22:47:20 <Rubidium> Gonozal_VIII: one industry sometimes takes thousands! of sprites to define completely 22:47:26 <Bjarni> would it make life easier if we made some sort of grf asm so we wouldn't have to remember all those numbers all the time? 22:47:51 <Rubidium> when you are messing with the industry IDs those have to be copied and the only the industry ID needs to be changed 22:47:51 <Gonozal_VIII> eddi is/was working on something like that 22:48:17 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: still working on GRF ASM? 22:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> err, i kinda didn't have time for it the past few weeks 22:48:50 <Vikthor> Bjarni: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=35535 http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=35497 http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=35541 22:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> gonna get back to it though 22:49:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> and "ASM" doesn't quite fit it ;) 22:49:48 <Bjarni> Vikthor: thanks. That was quick 22:50:29 <Bjarni> I thought of ASM as something that's easy to write a compiler for 22:50:48 <Gonozal_VIII> i thought about writing some website with javascript that helps you make vehicle grfs with textfields to write the values in and dropdowns to select enumified values and things like that... 22:51:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> hence why "ASM" doesn't fit ;) 22:52:24 <Bjarni> ok 22:52:30 <Bjarni> then let me put it this way 22:53:33 <Bjarni> I was thinking about something where the numbers are replaced with a human readable word so the structure is the same but it's faster to look though and easier to understand for people who (unlike me and some of you) knows how machine code works 22:53:55 <Bjarni> I know that I can read nfo stuff but it would take time 22:54:06 <Gonozal_VIII> today i made an excel sheet that generates the hex values for the refittable cargo bitmask 22:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, the GRL used that kind of attempt 22:54:17 <Bjarni> if it contained human readable text then it would be easier and faster 22:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> i knida went from another end 22:55:05 <Bjarni> so how is your strategy? 22:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> i am designing a high level language, that tries to avoid all kinds of duplication and redundancy that you'd have even with assembler 22:56:21 * Bjarni goes to read the post 22:56:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> plus, what dalestan mentioned, the assembler approach usually chokes at action 6, because offsets are not known in textual representations 22:57:10 *** raimar3 [~hawk@p5489CFC9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:57:23 <peter1138> as is usually stated, action 6 needs to be abstracted further, heh 22:57:42 <ln-> tonight i can ask this honestly out of pure curiosity: is U = {(x,y) | x²+y² <= 1} a subspace of R²? 22:58:07 <ln-> I vote "no", Bjarni votes "yes". 22:58:11 <peter1138> nini 22:58:21 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.151.109.242] has quit [Quit: bwaaahahaha, te eeeh eeehee boingk!] 22:58:26 <glx> ln-: and the winner is ? 22:58:36 *** jp [~Miranda@dslb-084-057-242-152.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: jp] 22:58:53 <ln-> glx: that's the point, i didn't go to the university to hear the answers... 22:59:06 <Rubidium> I'd vote for no too 22:59:20 <ln-> so i'm waiting for someone to tell the what's the truth. 22:59:21 <Gonozal_VIII> i vote for i win 22:59:28 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:56 <ln-> and the reasoning for my "no" is e.g. (1,0)+(1,0). 23:00:00 <SmatZ> it is not 23:00:00 <Rubidium> my reasoning would be x = sqrt(2), y = i => x²+y² = 1 23:00:08 * SmatZ has the same reason as ln- 23:00:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> ln- is right 23:00:35 * SmatZ agrees with Rubidium too, depends what set are x,y from... I was supposing R 23:00:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> but the question needs statement about the operations 23:01:03 <Bjarni> <ln-> glx: that's the point, i didn't go to the university to hear the answers... <-- isn't this a bit silly? 23:01:19 <Bjarni> you stay up all night preparing for today and then you end up not going anyway 23:02:15 <Gonozal_VIII> [23:59:59] Robert: is U = {(x,y) | x²+y² <= 1} a subspace of R²? 23:02:15 <Gonozal_VIII> [00:00:17] Bartleby: jo? 23:02:15 <Gonozal_VIII> [00:00:27] Robert: weil? 23:02:15 <Gonozal_VIII> [00:00:49] Bartleby: das dÃŒrften kreis oda so sein... 23:02:15 <Gonozal_VIII> [00:00:58] Bartleby: scheibe 23:02:16 <Gonozal_VIII> [00:01:51] Bartleby: http://www.uni-protokolle.de/foren/viewt/56361,0.html 23:02:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> (R^2 [basic set], + [vector addition], * [scalar multiplication]) 23:02:23 <ln-> Bjarni: i optimized for money this time, because i only did one exercise eventually, and going to the uni would have taken 3 hours of time that i could now spend at work. 23:02:31 <ln-> Bjarni: but in general, yes, it is silly. 23:03:13 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: you don't need to have '*' defined for space 23:03:20 <SmatZ> only + and multiplying by constant 23:03:24 <SmatZ> if I remember right 23:03:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, you do 23:03:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> "constant" == "scalar" 23:03:55 *** raimar2 [~hawk@p5489CFE8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:03:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> a "scalar" is a member of the underlying field (=R) 23:04:25 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: ah so, I understood your 'scalar multiplication' as 'scalar multiplication of vectors', eg. (x,y) * (a,b) = (x*a, y*b) 23:05:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, there's the "scalar product" (x,y) * (a,b) = x*a + y*b, but that is something entirely different 23:05:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> you should not confuse these 23:05:32 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: yeah, that's another "scalar" thing.... 23:05:39 * SmatZ forgot a lot :-x 23:05:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the first, one operand is a scalar 23:05:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> in the second, the result is a scalar 23:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause2> "vector f(scalar, vector)" and "scalar f(vector, vector)" in C-signatures 23:07:55 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: thanks, I just don't remember the naming... or I didn't ever know it in english :-x 23:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, you COULD define + and * on R^2, so that the open unit disc described above is a subspace 23:08:51 <Gonozal_VIII> modulo :-) 23:09:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> i don't know it in english either, i basically translated the stuff from german, which is sometimes more or less correct ;) 23:10:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: there is technically no modulo on R, or what you could trivially expand the modulo to would not suffice as a scalar multiplication 23:10:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> but there are isomorphic mappings from R^2 to the unit disc 23:10:40 <Gonozal_VIII> why should there be no modulo? 23:10:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> modulo is an integer thing 23:11:20 <SmatZ> you could use something like modulo, but working for non-integers then? 23:12:12 <Gonozal_VIII> 5,234234324 % 3 = 2,234234324 ? 23:12:33 <Rubidium> 4 % i 23:12:52 <SmatZ> talking about R :) 23:13:06 <Rubidium> imaginary is much niceer 23:13:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@CPE-121-216-238-3.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:13:21 <SmatZ> but if you define operator< as abs(x) < abs(y)... 23:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> 5,234234324 % 2,234234324 = ? 23:14:01 <Rubidium> 0,7<something> 23:14:07 <Gonozal_VIII> 0,765765676 23:14:10 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause2: substract / add 2,234234324 until it is 0 <= x < 2,234234324 23:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, whatever you define this to, you couldn't possibly get this to fulfil the vector space axioms 23:14:46 <Gonozal_VIII> you can, if you modolo it down to do so^^ 23:14:56 <Rubidium> is that like NP complete for vectors? 23:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> NP would kinda require countable sets ;) 23:15:19 <Rubidium> hmm, probably not 23:15:37 <Rubidium> cause then you can't state that you couldn't possibly do it 23:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> anyway, i was more thinking of hyperbolic mappings and stuff 23:19:40 <Gonozal_VIII> you could take x and y both % 0,7 and x²+y² would never be > 1 :-) 23:20:22 <Gonozal_VIII> modulo sqrt(0,5) 23:21:08 <Gonozal_VIII> or just (x²+y²) % 1 23:22:07 <Gonozal_VIII> i guess the answer is yes, it is with some strange trick... because no would be too easy 23:24:28 <Osai> do the current nightlies create dmp_cmds_<number>.sav files? 23:26:14 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 23:26:19 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 23:26:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: the problem is, however you define %, it is not continguous 23:28:23 <dih> heh 23:31:34 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 23:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: what would work is if you define the ADDITON of vecors by rotating them ("modulo pi", so to speak) 23:36:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> then you just have to add a nonlinear mapping for the scalar multiplication, so you don't go beyond the "edge" 23:36:33 <Gonozal_VIII> yay :-) 23:38:53 <Osai> gn8 23:39:16 <Gekz> lol heath ledger died. 23:39:35 * Eddi|zuHause2 fails to see the "lol" part 23:39:53 <Gekz> he drug overdosed. 23:39:54 <Gekz> that's lol. 23:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> Osai: no, that is from old nightlies 23:40:13 <Gonozal_VIII> yay for drug overdoses 23:40:27 <Osai> okay, thx Eddi|zuHause2 23:41:39 <Gonozal_VIII> they should always stretch that stuff 90% and then randomly mix pure doses in 23:42:05 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 23:42:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i hereby declare this discussion off-topic 23:42:38 <Bjarni> Gekz: that sounds really sad 23:42:50 <Bjarni> who is Heath Ledger? 23:42:56 <Bjarni> err... was 23:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Bjarni: movie actor 23:43:12 <Gekz> Bjarni: a terrible actor 23:43:19 <Gekz> he played the fag in Brokeback Mountain 23:43:21 <Gekz> >_> 23:43:31 <Bjarni> a movie that I plan to never watch 23:43:39 <Gekz> let's just say my 45 year old mother will cry 23:43:42 <Gekz> but my teenage sister wont 23:43:43 <Gekz> xD 23:43:53 <Bjarni> ... 23:44:01 <Bjarni> Gekz: are you on drugs too? 23:44:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> and some movie which he played a knight that wasn't a knight or something 23:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> i forgot the name 23:44:11 <Nukebuster> :P 23:44:28 <Bjarni> A hard days knight? 23:44:31 <Bjarni> or whatever the title was 23:44:45 <Bjarni> a really weird one 23:45:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> let me rephrase that... i never knew the english title 23:45:22 <Bjarni> I heard it should be good so I watched like 20 minutes of it when it was on TV before I declared that it wasn't going to get good and decided to do something else instead 23:45:44 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: You managed 20 minutes? 23:45:45 <Bjarni> Gekz: so this guy died... why is it funny? 23:46:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> the german name is "Ritter aus Leidenschaft" 23:46:04 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: It's funny 'coz he's dead. :/ 23:46:31 <Bjarni> Prof_Frink: well... my memories of the event is a kind of foggy.... I might have lasted less than that 23:47:01 <Bjarni> how can his death be funny? 23:47:28 <Prof_Frink> He could have been killed by a clown 23:47:37 <Bjarni> ? 23:48:24 <Bjarni> he will hardly end up at darwin awards 23:50:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F590.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2001: Ritter aus Leidenschaft (A Knight's Tale) 23:51:52 <Gekz> Bjarni: he died from a drug overdose 23:51:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> (wikipedia) 23:51:55 <Bjarni> right 23:51:57 <Bjarni> that's the name 23:51:59 <Gekz> its so fscking generic he should be rekilled. 23:52:00 <Gekz> >_> 23:52:17 <Bjarni> Gekz: I don't get it 23:52:21 <Wolf01> 'night 23:52:23 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host90-235-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:52:25 <Gekz> Good. 23:52:27 <Gekz> I don't care. 23:52:38 <Gonozal_VIII> you care a lot^^ 23:52:43 * Bjarni marks Gekz as a freak and a liability 23:53:06 <Bjarni> now we know the next one to take an overdose :P 23:53:24 <Gekz> If I was going to kill myself, I'd do it in style 23:53:28 <Gekz> like tie a shotgun to a toaster 23:53:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> tell him something confidential, then you can kill him ;) 23:53:34 <Gekz> and when the toast it cooked I get slugged 23:53:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> and have the toaster run netbsd? 23:54:33 <Gekz> by god can it 23:54:34 <Gekz> :D 23:54:48 *** ben_goodger [~ben@86.156.58.184] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:55:28 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1C39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: Windows shutdown) ((~_~]"] 23:56:07 <Bjarni> Gekz: Darth Vader is Luke's father 23:56:19 * Bjarni kills Gekz to keep the secret a secret 23:56:54 <Prof_Frink> Bjarni: Verbal Kint is Keyser Soze 23:57:05 <Bjarni> ? 23:57:09 <Gonozal_VIII> now you spoiled star wars for me! *cries* 23:57:43 <Bjarni> fat chance 23:57:45 * Prof_Frink lens Bjarni a dvd of The Usual Suspects 23:57:57 <Bjarni> if I wanted to spoil then I would say that (censored) 23:58:01 <Bjarni> now that would be spoiling 23:58:20 <SmatZ> oh no, you spoiled whole movie 23:58:23 <SmatZ> bad Bjarni