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00:00:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> ;) 00:00:16 <Sacro> pff 00:00:18 <Sacro> damn germans 00:00:23 <Bjarni> and then you see this you start to wonder about the quality of the translation of this game that was developed in Germany 00:00:27 <Sacro> http://www.myrtle.co.uk/art/untergrund.gif 00:00:29 <Sacro> D: 00:01:08 <dih> my grandparents live in richmond 00:01:16 <Bjarni> Hitler won the battle of Britain? 00:01:37 <Bjarni> dih: I think there is a problem with your translator 00:01:51 <Bjarni> it looks like you ended up saying something off topic 00:02:09 <dih> nope 00:02:11 <Sacro> no, it is regarding my link i think 00:02:18 <dih> yep 00:02:28 <dih> so right back at ya! 00:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> "FÃŒr Ãffnung sehen Zeiten Plakat, zu reisen Planer." <- precious ;) 00:02:30 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: MORGENBURG HALBMOND! 00:02:48 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: what does it meeeeeeeean D: 00:02:59 <Bjarni> dih: http://bash.org/?724925 <-- are you in this one? 00:03:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: it is totally rubbish... 00:03:13 <Bjarni> as usual 00:03:25 <Sacro> For opening times see poster, to travel planner 00:03:27 <Sacro> that makes sense 00:04:42 *** daspork [~daspork@24-159-41-54.static.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has joined #openttd 00:04:48 <Sacro> ooh tasty 00:04:55 * Sacro noms on daspork 00:05:02 <daspork> :) 00:05:18 <Sacro> damnit, i want sausages now 00:05:27 <dih> sie ze trÀfl plÀna 00:05:41 <Bjarni> http://bash.org/?search=translator&sort=0&show=25 <-- haha... they are all great and on topic (except for the last one) 00:06:03 <daspork> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/stove_ownership.png 00:06:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.99] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:53 <Bjarni> damn 00:07:01 <Bjarni> I was just attacked 00:07:05 <Bjarni> by sleepiness 00:07:21 <Bjarni> gotta go to bed before I can't anymore 00:07:24 <Bjarni> goodnight 00:07:25 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46af1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.120] has joined #openttd 00:08:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> blitzquitter! 00:08:49 <daspork> So, Ive been playing ottd for a while, I was wondering if there is a winning strategy for city growth? 00:09:13 <Sacro> yes there is 00:09:59 <daspork> do tell, or point me to a resource if you could. 00:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, it's a secret 00:11:20 <Sacro> yes 00:11:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> or alternatively, place 5 bus stations and let the busses circle 00:11:57 <Sacro> i might use that german map for the tt-meet 00:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause2> you'll get hopelessly lost :p 00:12:39 <daspork> while playing I thought I noticed a trend for them to grow when i fed them goods, but now im not sure :) 00:12:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> you are not sure ;) 00:13:02 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 00:13:15 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: no, i know most of the translations 00:13:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> no really, it does not matter what you transport, only how many stations you service 00:13:39 <daspork> cool, thanks 00:13:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> oh, and arctic towns may need food, and desert towns food and water 00:15:26 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:15:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.246] has joined #openttd 00:17:33 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-152-123-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!] 00:21:51 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.110] has joined #openttd 00:29:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:13 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@53560DA2.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:31:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.111] has joined #openttd 00:31:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13256 /trunk/src/ (12 files): 00:31:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: merge the OPTS and PATS chuncks. 00:31:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: split the diff_custom variable. 00:31:58 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Feature: allow changing some of the diff_custom variables via the console in network games. 00:33:37 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B75F38.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:38:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.190.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.116] has joined #openttd 00:40:06 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B74567.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:23 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F19BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 00:43:27 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: I said I needed a good night of sleep, almost three hours ago. fail.] 00:46:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.111] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.172.155] has joined #openttd 00:49:32 <Touqen> nice... I killed intellisense :/ 00:49:45 <Sacro> haha 00:51:33 *** Mido [~chatzilla@H97.C196.cci.switchworks.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:53:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:56:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.58] has joined #openttd 01:02:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.172.155] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:04:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.97] has joined #openttd 01:04:32 *** Mido [~chatzilla@H229.C192.cci.switchworks.net] has joined #openttd 01:05:08 <Mido> anybody up for some multiplayer? 01:10:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.84] has joined #openttd 01:13:41 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:18:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:19:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.171.165] has joined #openttd 01:26:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.69] has joined #openttd 01:34:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.171.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:47 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.107] has joined #openttd 01:37:01 <Touqen> I've got alcohol. Anyone care to guess what? 01:42:09 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:44:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.168.173] has joined #openttd 01:44:29 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:50:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.174.107] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:52:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.188.70] has joined #openttd 01:56:13 <Touqen> Anyone of you UKers want to mail me some prawn flavoured crips? 01:56:16 <Touqen> crisps* 01:58:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.168.173] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.235] has joined #openttd 02:06:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.188.70] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:08:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.161.228] has joined #openttd 02:14:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.171.235] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.176.126] has joined #openttd 02:22:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.161.228] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:23:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.162.63] has joined #openttd 02:25:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: belugas * r13257 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix(r13226): Typo has found its way on the code... 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[~Flex@89.246.212.19] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:49:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.192] has joined #openttd 05:56:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.215.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:57:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.221] has joined #openttd 05:58:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13258 /trunk/src/settings.cpp: -Codechange: add support for using (most) of the old patch names in the console. 06:00:51 <Prof_Frink> Sacro: That's what she said. 06:04:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.175.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:05:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.125] has joined #openttd 06:12:26 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.193.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.168.177] has joined #openttd 06:20:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.198.125] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.164.28] has joined #openttd 06:28:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 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I just spent ?7,374,983 on a single tunnel 11:46:40 <planetmaker> come again, if you spend 378.000.000 11:46:58 <Gekz> tunnels suck 11:47:02 <Gekz> you cant put signals on them 11:47:08 <Gekz> and you cant see the train! 11:47:18 <murr4y> we need a tunnel signal patch 11:47:26 <planetmaker> ^^ code it :) 11:55:40 <Mwa> murr4y, that would make it all so easy though 11:55:54 <murr4y> easy? 11:56:24 <Mwa> Yes, I wouldn't have to make the tunnels come up for air and signal breaks if I could signal them 11:56:55 <murr4y> yeah 11:57:03 <murr4y> so you're more free to create nice tracks without ugly hacks 11:57:06 <murr4y> and terraforming 11:57:10 <murr4y> + more realistic :) 11:57:16 <murr4y> not saying we should have it though :p 11:57:53 <Mwa> In any case cutting a tunnel in half quarters the price 11:58:07 <Gekz> which makes no sense 11:58:34 <Mwa> I read a discussion as to why it does 11:58:48 <Mwa> And it does make sense 11:59:04 <murr4y> please explain :) 11:59:20 <Mwa> because of how far you have to transport waste soil 11:59:24 <Mwa> and such 11:59:47 <murr4y> ah 12:00:02 <Mwa> I can't remember the whole thing, but the gist was that the longer the tunnel, the more conveyor belts you need 12:02:31 <Gekz> lol... 12:02:44 *** roboman [~Leo@c211-30-60-34.carlnfd4.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:02:51 <Gekz> Mwa: you could just build the tunnel in two parts 12:02:55 <Gekz> then join them 12:02:59 <Mwa> Yes 12:03:08 <Gekz> that would cost less still. 12:03:12 <Gekz> ie, your hypothesis is flawed. 12:03:46 <Mwa> Tunnels generally are done from both ends 12:04:10 <Mwa> But the longer both ends are, the more alignment problems you will run into 12:07:28 <hylje> not so with LAZERS 12:08:17 <planetmaker> Lasers bend bady, if you have curves. 12:17:21 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 12:24:49 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@194.171.202.29] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:53 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 12:27:32 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater46.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:00 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e79.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:32:22 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-164-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:44:06 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 12:44:20 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:46:24 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 12:46:26 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:48:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:49:49 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 12:53:55 <Boyinblue0> hi 12:53:58 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-88-79.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:46 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:21 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:02:06 *** Noldo [vheino@jumi.lut.fi] has joined #openttd 13:09:41 *** k-man [~jason@ppp121-44-12-56.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:51 <k-man> is there some way i can give myself some more money? 13:10:06 <k-man> i went on this grand expansion and ran out of money 13:10:17 <k-man> and not enough money to build my first train 13:10:36 <Prof_Frink> You can cheat 13:10:42 <Prof_Frink> ctrl-alt-c 13:11:12 <k-man> great 13:11:12 <k-man> thanks 13:12:48 <murr4y> wtf 13:16:00 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@c181.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:07 <Roujin> cheers 13:19:39 <Belugas> hello Roujin 13:19:59 <Belugas> oh nooooo.... :( 13:20:12 <Belugas> i forgot my headphones at home 13:20:14 <Gekz> k-man: or, dont expand so stupidly next time 13:20:14 <Gekz> lol 13:20:22 <Gekz> k-man: are you aware you can get a loan. 13:22:10 <k-man> Gekz, yes, but i really did go a bit nuts before i realised i spent all my money 13:22:18 <k-man> thanks Gekz 13:22:27 <Gekz> lol 13:22:30 <k-man> what can one do to make a city grow? 13:22:36 <Gekz> bring food 13:23:37 <Belugas> carry passengers 13:23:47 <Gekz> passengers do growth? 13:23:47 <Belugas> and mails 13:23:47 <murr4y> make love 13:23:51 <Gekz> I thought it was only mail and food 13:23:54 <Belugas> and goods 13:23:58 <Belugas> and water 13:24:00 <Belugas> and diamond 13:24:02 <Belugas> s 13:24:05 <Belugas> and... 13:24:13 <Belugas> CASH 13:24:16 <k-man> ok 13:24:19 <k-man> thanks 13:24:31 <Belugas> don't believe a word I just said, k-man 13:25:05 <Belugas> thing is, it depends on the cliamte you are on 13:25:16 <murr4y> k-man: check this out 13:25:18 <murr4y> http://wiki.openttd.org/index.php/Town 13:25:54 <Gekz> I just scared the crap out of myself 13:25:58 <Gekz> I whistled by accident 13:32:19 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13262 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqvm.cpp: [Squirrel] -Fix: silent some warnings by clearing local variable before using 13:33:14 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 13:34:43 <Belugas> good murr4y :) 13:37:10 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13263 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/sqstate.cpp: [Squirrel] -Fix: Squirrel's theory isn't as sound as they hoped.. 13:38:57 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater46.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:43:13 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 13:49:49 *** Splatman [Splatman@78-32-219-154.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:13 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13264 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: yapf_settings.h was not removed from the project files. 13:51:48 <Splatman> Trying to update a patch to trunk but I can't figure out what the replacment for "if (WP(w,def_d).close) delete w;" is (def_d is nolonger defined) 13:52:26 <Roujin> what patch, what file, what line? 13:53:02 <Roujin> and without that knowledge i suspect that WP is the issue 13:53:07 <Splatman> Build templates 13:53:15 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13265 /branches/noai/ (139 files in 12 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync with trunk r13185:13264. 13:53:21 <Splatman> In the copy_paste.cpp 13:53:27 <Splatman> *_gui 13:53:38 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:41 <Frostregen> download the latest 13:53:46 <Frostregen> i think i removed that already 13:53:46 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:54:51 <Splatman> ah 13:54:55 <Splatman> Doh 13:55:11 <Splatman> I was looking at the end of the thread for updates 13:55:13 <Roujin> Frostregen: your patch file is misnamed 13:55:22 <Roujin> or rather the link to it 13:55:35 <Roujin> it says rev 13314 instead of r13214 13:56:12 <Frostregen> right 13:56:13 <Frostregen> thx 13:59:14 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e79.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 13:59:48 <Roujin> <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13265 /branches/noai/ (139 files in 12 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync with trunk r13185:13264. <-- That's nice. Now one can play with the noise system against WrightAI ^_^ 14:03:22 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm219.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 14:07:31 <k-man> will there ever be a way if putting signals in a tunnel? 14:07:47 <k-man> and what about tunnels with bends in them? 14:08:01 <hylje> yes, someday 14:08:10 <hylje> some work has been done but it's largely stalled AFAIK 14:08:47 * Sacro watches the video 14:09:20 <Belugas> k-man, you're asking for a lot, you know that? 14:09:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE53.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:01 <peter1138> better than demanding :D 14:10:12 <hylje> peter1138! newEverything! 14:10:33 <Belugas> yeah to peter1138, boooo to hylje 14:10:56 <k-man> Belugas, maybe - i was just wondering though 14:13:23 <Belugas> to give you an idea : the map does not have room for that. so you either change the map format (not an easy nor small task) or find a substitute system to indicate signals on underground rails. then, you need to hook in to the signaling system, plus, you have to tell the train controller it should care about signals where it useually didn't care. not to mention the pathfinders too 14:13:31 <Belugas> not saying it's impossible 14:13:34 <Belugas> just.. 14:13:38 <Belugas> hell of a job 14:14:19 <Belugas> remember : nothing is magic, nothing is for free 14:14:54 <Belugas> and... we have not yet talked about the benty part of your inquiry... 14:15:17 <Belugas> like : how are you going to indicate you need a bent here and a straigh line there? 14:15:23 <hylje> arbitrary bridges/tunnels would not be too far from rollercoaster tycoon 14:15:31 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:46 <Belugas> define arbitrary,please 14:15:53 <planetmaker> Clarke's 3rd law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. 14:16:14 <Belugas> all is relative 14:16:28 <Belugas> from the observer 14:16:43 <Belugas> a papoo will find jet plane magic 14:16:45 <planetmaker> :) 14:17:00 <hylje> arbitrary? well, with the tile-based constraints still in place, one could build stuff up and down along with the usual directions 14:17:06 <planetmaker> Damn, you found the weak spot there :) 14:17:30 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-190-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 14:17:57 <Digitalfox> Just passed my HTML + CSS exam with 19/20 =0 14:18:10 <Digitalfox> Not bad for one single day of study =0 14:18:33 <Touqen> it's html and css... 14:18:38 <Touqen> How hard could it be. 14:18:48 <Touqen> Which question did you get wrong? 14:19:05 <Digitalfox> Touqen don't know yet :p 14:19:09 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-193-46-fixip.tiscali.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:19:20 <peter1138> that's why he asked 14:19:40 <Belugas> congrats Digitalfox 14:19:53 <Digitalfox> Touqen well it may be easy for you but I just had one fucking day of hard study for me, who didn't touch HTML since 2002 and back then we didn't had study CSS.. 14:19:56 <Belugas> now, hope you'll pass visual basic th same way :D 14:21:17 <Digitalfox> Belugas I did study visual basic in 99 or 2000.. 14:21:41 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:52 <Belugas> even longer than HTML-CSS 14:21:59 <Eddi|zuHause3> planetmaker: direct lemma of clarke's law: no technology is sufficiently advanced (yet) 14:22:30 <planetmaker> correction: no human technology to humans we commonly call civilized :) 14:22:58 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:23:03 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 14:23:18 <Eddi|zuHause3> "we are the only civilised people on this island" 14:23:56 <planetmaker> as far as we know :). The Drake equation has sufficiently many badly constrained parameters :) 14:24:14 <Eddi|zuHause3> it's a quote from monkey island 14:24:32 <planetmaker> :) 14:31:24 *** Splatman [Splatman@78-32-219-154.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has quit [] 14:35:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@81-86-50-81.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 14:35:49 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm219.epsilon121.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:36:56 *** Brianetta [~brian@81-86-50-81.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 14:42:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FE53.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:26 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-163-148.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 14:50:08 <Roujin> are further code changes to be expected on the (previously patch-)settings ? 14:53:20 <Belugas> my gutts are telling that it should be the case, very much likely :) 14:54:09 <Roujin> I wonder what Rubidium is planning.. 14:54:55 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 14:55:29 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:55:32 <Roujin> will it bring some noticable difference, or is it just internal restructuring like the window system rework.. 14:56:05 <Roujin> will there be any more commits that *bang* break all patches out there that have a switch or two ;) 14:58:30 <Belugas> don't we all love those commits :D 15:00:11 <Eddi|zuHause3> i do :p 15:00:32 <Eddi|zuHause3> http://bash.org/?14001 <- that is fun ;) 15:02:02 <Touqen> lol 15:04:25 <SmatZ> what does it do? 15:05:19 <Touqen> TIAS 15:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause3> isn't it obvious? it declares a function ":" that spawns two threads that call ":", and then it calls ":" 15:05:51 <SmatZ> now, yes 15:06:09 <SmatZ> I wondered how can smileys cause system to choke/crash 15:06:33 * SmatZ tests 15:06:47 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 15:06:53 <Eddi|zuHause3> you better have a virtual machine :p 15:07:08 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 15:08:08 <glx> that doesn't do nothing in msys bash 15:08:32 <glx> sh-3.1$ :(){ :|:&};: 15:08:32 <glx> sh: `:': not a valid identifier 15:09:19 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:48 <glx> s/nothing/anything 15:10:08 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:10:38 <SmatZ> hmm I should limit number of processes user can spawn :-/ 15:11:06 <glx> hmm seems you tried it 15:11:19 *** k-man [~jason@ppp121-44-12-56.lns10.syd7.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:39 <SmatZ> hehe 15:12:55 * SmatZ limited number of processes to 20000 15:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause3> glx: windows is just fucked up :p 15:14:18 <glx> no that's a good thing ;) 15:14:21 <glx> for once 15:15:09 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55922.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:11 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:35 <glx> again? 15:18:02 <glx> I killed my vmware 15:20:58 *** SmatZ [~smatz@a40-prg1-5-107.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #openttd 15:21:28 <SmatZ> hmm didn't really help 15:21:50 <peter1138> limit to 1000 maybe :p 15:22:28 <SmatZ> I limited it to 500, still too much 15:22:40 <SmatZ> or maybe /etc/limits is not used 15:23:07 <peter1138> ulimit -u 15:23:55 <SmatZ> smatz@amd64 ~ $ ulimit -u 15:23:55 <SmatZ> 40960 15:24:02 <peter1138> well then :) 15:27:52 *** elmex [~elmex@e180064013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:35:36 *** [alt]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:40:23 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-163-148.adslplus.ch] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:41:51 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:41:51 *** [alt]buster is now known as [com]buster 15:50:34 *** GoneWacko [~gonewacko@adsl-58.36.Static.ssp.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:37 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 15:58:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:59:49 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 16:00:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [] 16:01:04 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has joined #openttd 16:01:16 <ecke> hi 16:01:30 <SmatZ> hi 16:01:48 <Touqen> lo 16:01:55 <Prof_Frink> mid 16:02:34 <Touqen> jack 16:02:45 <ecke> one small question... "when" will be possible build signals in tunnels and on bridges? 16:03:10 <Prof_Frink> "when" it's done. 16:03:11 <peter1138> never 16:03:20 <ecke> i read that it depend on new array 16:03:23 <peter1138> there's no code for it 16:03:29 <peter1138> there is not such thing as a new array 16:03:31 <peter1138> -t 16:03:50 <ecke> and what about array in roller coaster tycoon? :)) 16:04:07 <peter1138> RCT is not OpenTTD 16:04:11 <ecke> j 16:04:19 <ecke> :) 16:04:39 <Touqen> Locomotion is RCT 16:05:35 <Roujin> see you guys 16:05:37 *** Roujin [HydraIRC@c181.tum.vpn.lrz-muenchen.de] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 16:08:38 <ecke> ok... and is there any way how to bypass ther problem with not enough signals? 16:09:26 <Belugas> ecke, you see, right now, with the way our array works, and with the way tunnels and bridges are coded, it requires a hell of a change to bring signals to bridges/tunnels 16:09:33 <Belugas> not an easy task at all 16:09:45 <Belugas> not enough signals??? 16:09:53 <Belugas> what's that problem? 16:10:07 <ecke> traffic jams in front of tunnels 16:10:14 <SmatZ> double tunnels 16:10:17 <SmatZ> triple tunnels 16:10:19 <Belugas> build more tunnles :D 16:10:21 <ecke> :D 16:10:30 <Touqen> build shorter tunnels. 16:10:37 <SmatZ> don't build tunnels 16:10:42 <Prof_Frink> Blow up the mountain, build rails 16:10:42 <Touqen> Through the rockies! Not around them! 16:10:42 <ecke> :)) 16:11:12 <Belugas> or you could build shorter tunnels with a service hole, allowing to place a signal, and than another tunnel and so on 16:11:47 <ecke> ok... but what to do when on the hill is town 16:12:02 <ecke> triple tunnels 16:12:06 <Belugas> your doomed :) 16:12:13 <Belugas> indeed , more tunnels 16:12:31 <ecke> but it looks like crazy 16:12:36 <Prof_Frink> ecke: Kill the town. 16:12:38 <ecke> not real 16:12:51 <Belugas> as long as it works, who cares how it looks? 16:12:52 <Prof_Frink> Find its central road tile 16:12:58 <Belugas> the game is not real anyway, 16:13:05 <SmatZ> hehe 16:13:05 <Belugas> and never intended to be 16:13:09 <Belugas> and never will be 16:13:11 <SmatZ> those people are not real, too 16:13:14 <Prof_Frink> Dynamite and buy the eight squares round it 16:13:16 <Belugas> REALISM SUCKS!!! 16:13:21 <Prof_Frink> Wait for the town to die 16:13:25 <ecke> but i d like beautiful landscpae devastated world :D 16:13:33 <ecke> not deva... 16:14:20 <ecke> i d like alpine railway with tunnels and bridges... hmmm lovely 16:15:15 <hylje> post-apocalyptic 16:15:25 <Belugas> round and round the mountain you go? 16:16:05 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-152-123-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 16:16:20 <ecke> have you ever been on coastline of Italy? .... tunnels > brifge > tunnels > bridge 16:16:42 <ecke> :)) 16:16:55 *** pasky [pasky@2a01:b0:b0::] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:00 <ecke> i want this.. but ... without jams 16:17:45 <Belugas> you might have it one day. Who knows... but not soon, for sure. would take quite a while to do it 16:18:39 <Touqen> Ottd 0.9 perhaps 16:18:53 <Touqen> Which is easily many years away. 16:20:24 <hylje> ottd 1.0 16:20:32 <Belugas> ottd 0.10 16:20:33 <Belugas> :P 16:21:09 <ecke> :)) 16:22:08 <Prof_Frink> ottd1138.0 16:22:25 <Prof_Frink> That's when all the NewFeatures! get added. 16:23:38 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13266 /trunk/src/ (9 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Use SmallVector in GUIList 16:23:57 <peter1138> i missed r11380 ;( 16:24:05 <hylje> ha ha 16:25:24 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-163-148.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 16:29:38 <SmatZ> :-) 16:29:46 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 11380 16:29:47 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by glx :: r11380 trunk/src/newgrf.cpp (2007-11-04 22:21:46 UTC) 16:29:48 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: -Revert (r11191, r11196): it worked, but broke cargo loading 16:29:49 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C285.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:30:06 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 1138 16:30:06 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by matthijs :: r1138 /branch/map (18 files) (2004-12-16 18:04:38 UTC) 16:30:07 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: - Converted misc_cmd.c 16:30:08 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: - Rewritten the label system, there is now one piece of code for station 16:30:09 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: labels, signs, checkpoints and town names. Signs are fully functional, 16:30:10 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: stations nearly, towns and checkpoints will have to be adapted when they are 16:30:12 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: (...) 16:30:26 <Belugas> damned you! that is waht i was about to do ! 16:30:36 <SmatZ> :) 16:31:43 <Prof_Frink> Ah well, you'll have to get r113800 16:32:47 <SmatZ> @base 16 10 1138 16:32:47 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: 4408 16:32:52 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 4408\ 16:32:52 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Invalid arguments for _commit. 16:32:53 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 4408 16:32:54 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: Commit by miham :: r4408 trunk/lang/polish.txt (2006-04-12 21:11:28 UTC) 16:32:55 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: [Language update by miham] Quick fixed polish.txt 16:33:51 <Mchl> yay! 16:35:10 <peter1138> 1138 was before my time 16:36:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55922.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:36:34 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46af1.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:36:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:40:38 <Sacro> Bjarni! 16:45:00 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13267 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: -Codechange: extend GUIList with a GnomeSort 16:45:50 *** pasky [pasky@2a01:b0:b0::] has joined #openttd 16:46:35 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499C285.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 16:46:43 <dih> ladida 16:46:51 <dih> hello skidd13 16:47:05 * dih has not said hi to skidd13 in a long time.... 16:47:08 * dih waves 16:47:23 <dih> ah - he's not even online :-S 16:47:25 * Bjarni wonders about waving at dih 16:47:42 <Bjarni> but I can't afford getting caught doing that :s 16:47:51 <dih> hey hey Bjarni 16:48:00 <Bjarni> http://www.motorradonline.de/fotoshow/teure-gesten-im-verkehr.286339.htm <-- here is the pricelist 16:49:14 <Bjarni> the first one in the 2nd row is the waving 16:50:48 <Bjarni> dih: now you made yourself 350 EUR more poor :P 16:50:54 <Bjarni> http://www.openttd.org/donate.php <-- you can pay here 16:50:58 * Bjarni hides 16:51:02 <dih> goon - take me to court 16:51:04 <dih> biatch ^^ 16:51:22 <Bjarni> we don't use that here 16:51:26 <dih> talking of 'donating' 16:51:41 <Bjarni> we just declare what we consider to be right 16:51:44 <dih> can people be marked as 'donors' in the tt-forums and on the server list? 16:51:53 <hylje> organ donor 16:51:58 <Belugas> In the Court of the Crimson's King 16:52:07 <Bjarni> Crimson? 16:52:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.178.103] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:12 <Bjarni> why and I Crimson? 16:52:14 <dih> that was a serious question 16:52:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.178.103] has joined #openttd 16:52:54 <Bjarni> dih: my question were also serious 16:52:58 <Bjarni> why Crimson? 16:53:03 <dih> ? 16:53:03 <Belugas> another one: are you a 21st Century Schizoid Man? 16:53:18 <Sacro> yes we are 16:53:21 <Touqen> Yes. 16:53:26 <Bjarni> and Sacro too 16:53:35 <dih> sacro is a special something anyway 16:53:47 <Sacro> :( 16:54:12 <Belugas> #Cats Foot Iron Claw 16:54:13 <dih> get a grip bitch 16:54:20 <Sacro> #Cats ? 16:54:21 <dih> ^^ 16:54:24 <Belugas> #neuro-surgeons scream for more 16:54:37 <Belugas> #At paranoias poison door 16:54:47 <Bjarni> <Sacro> #Cats ? <-- that one is empty 16:54:52 <Belugas> #21sf centur schizoid man 16:54:53 <Prof_Frink> # My heart is in my hand- Urgh. 16:55:51 <Bjarni> btw the other day I saw how German acts 16:55:59 <Bjarni> with their state of the art technology 16:56:09 <dih> again, can donators to openttd be marked as such in tt-forums and in the server list ? 16:56:21 *** Hassan [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:24 <Bjarni> some tourists parked an autocamper on the top of a hill on a parking lot 16:56:38 <Sacro> dih: best asking one of the devs :p 16:56:38 <Bjarni> when they left again they pushed it downhill for like 20 meters before it started 16:56:54 <dih> orudge?? 16:56:54 <Bjarni> dih: don't you guys know how to use batteries? 16:56:54 <Hassan> How can I get a newspaper like when it happens in 2050; with all companies on it? Whats the command in multyplayer? 16:57:05 <Hassan> So I can see whos best :) 16:57:07 <Belugas> #Keep me seaching 16:57:12 <Belugas> #fora heart of Gold 16:57:18 <Belugas> #and i]m getting old 16:57:30 <dih> glx? 16:57:52 <glx> hmm? 16:58:03 <dih> [18:56] <dih> again, can donators to openttd be marked as such in tt-forums and in the server list ? 16:58:15 <planetmaker> dih's fight like don quichote against the wind mills of ignorance :) 16:58:21 * dih has the slight feeling of yet again asking the wrong person.... 16:58:31 <Hassan> <Hassan> How can I get a newspaper like when it happens in 2050; with all companies on it? Whats the command in multyplayer? 16:58:42 <dih> play until 2050 16:58:50 <Belugas> Hassan, i don't get your question at all 16:58:54 <planetmaker> Hassan: use the charts to compare companies 16:58:56 <dih> and no - never will you have all companies on it 16:59:13 <dih> only "ze winna" 16:59:17 <Hassan> Well at the end of a single player game 16:59:23 <Hassan> You get at 2050 a chart 16:59:24 <Belugas> dih, server list has no connection with the forums donator 16:59:33 <Hassan> whit performance rating 16:59:40 <planetmaker> There's no end :) 16:59:43 <Hassan> is such thing avaible in multiplayer? 16:59:46 <dih> Belugas: not donating to the forums, donating to openttd.org 16:59:53 <Prof_Frink> # For if the bomb that drops on you, gets your friends and neighbours too, there'll be nobody left behind to grieve! 17:00:07 <Prof_Frink> # And we will all go together when we go 17:00:13 <dih> shush it birdy 17:00:23 <dih> ^^ 17:00:26 <Belugas> dih: how can a server be linked to a donation? 17:00:33 <dih> owner? 17:00:37 <dih> tada 17:00:38 <dih> uh 17:00:40 <dih> uh 17:00:45 <dih> how did i come up with that one 17:00:55 <dih> :P 17:01:00 <Belugas> 'cause of the beer? 17:01:02 *** Hassan [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 17:01:03 <dih> :-P 17:01:27 <Prof_Frink> dih: The only thing I can think of is to make "Supporter" badges for sigs 17:01:40 <Belugas> me too 17:01:57 <Belugas> i see no point on having the server list state that 17:02:07 <dih> i do 17:02:17 <Belugas> i don't 17:02:20 <dih> :-) 17:02:34 <Belugas> apart from self-glory ? ;) 17:02:35 <Prof_Frink> He don't and he has an @ 17:03:10 <dih> sort the server list first my version then by donator then by clients :-P 17:03:21 <planetmaker> Hassan: similar overview is always available. Look at the charts. Go for company achievements(?) -> details 17:03:31 <dih> pm: hassan aint there no more 17:03:41 <Belugas> he's gone, a bit frustrated, i guess 17:03:42 <planetmaker> oh well. Why did I bother? :( 17:03:51 <dih> you were to slow 17:03:53 <dih> coatch 17:04:05 <dih> :-P 17:05:14 <dih> say hypothetically, a community donated money for each member and server or something like that :-P 17:05:18 * planetmaker probably suffers from a lack of chemical fuel - also called food. 17:05:26 <dih> drink something 17:05:29 <dih> like beer 17:05:31 <dih> :-P 17:05:33 <Bjarni> no 17:05:39 <Bjarni> I don't have any beer 17:05:47 <planetmaker> No, I'll go home. And there I'll have solid state and liquid fuel :) 17:05:50 <Sacro> yes, we have no bananas 17:05:53 <Belugas> no one offered you Bjarni :) 17:05:59 <Bjarni> :/ 17:06:01 <dih> how does Bjarni drinking beer help planetmaker? 17:06:08 <planetmaker> though my good belgium and Dutch beer is gone since the weekend :) 17:06:26 <Mchl> they can link their digestive system through dev-grid 17:06:27 <dih> get some good german stuff 17:06:31 <Prof_Frink> Have you no Pride? 17:06:39 <Bjarni> <dih> how does Bjarni drinking beer help planetmaker? <-- maybe you wanted us to be drinking buddies 17:06:57 <dih> check when i last hilighted you 17:07:04 <planetmaker> :)^^ sure. :) 17:07:14 <Belugas> dih, i really see it as futile and unnecessary, plus, an addictionnal DB should be created for that purpose. and maintained. and people would complain (they always do anyway) when the new status is not grantred fast enough 17:07:19 <dih> then you will find that though just makes abso-f***ing-lutely no sense 17:07:26 <Belugas> either way, personally, i thing i's not worth it 17:07:34 <Bjarni> [19:06:01] <dih> how does Bjarni drinking beer help planetmaker? 17:07:56 <dih> and then one before that? 17:08:00 <planetmaker> Prof_Frink: I do. I'm consious enough to also allow others to excel 17:08:14 <planetmaker> ,too 17:08:15 <Bjarni> [18:47:51] <dih> hey hey Bjarni 17:08:26 <dih> look at the time diff, chick 17:08:39 <dih> :P 17:08:50 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Pass one over here then 17:09:02 <planetmaker> here you go: 17:09:11 * planetmaker hands Prof_Frink a beer 17:09:36 * Prof_Frink drinks 17:09:41 <planetmaker> what you want? Guiness? Erdinger? Duvel? HertogJan? Flensà 17:09:44 <Mchl> may I have some green tea please? 17:09:58 * Bjarni puts up a sign "enjoyment of your own liquor is prohibited in this channel" 17:10:09 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: I want what I asked for. 17:10:12 <Prof_Frink> Pride. 17:10:45 <planetmaker> oh :) 17:11:21 <planetmaker> ghasty foreign languages :) 17:12:09 <planetmaker> cu later then. 17:19:59 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.234.250] has joined #openttd 17:28:16 <Wolf01> hello 17:28:46 <Touqen> Howdy 17:30:39 *** XeryusTC is now known as Xeryus|bnc 17:33:22 *** Xeryus|bnc is now known as XeryusTC 17:40:56 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13268 /branches/noai/src/ (ai/ai.cpp ai/ai.h openttd.cpp): [NoAI] -Fix: kill AIs on game abortion 17:43:24 <Touqen> heheh, he said abortion 17:49:47 <Bjarni> that is when you have a game and don't want it anymore 17:51:20 <dih> i have roller coaster tycoon and dont want it anymore 17:51:24 <dih> i'll get an abortion 17:53:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13269 /trunk/src/bridge_gui.cpp: 17:53:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Codechange: build bridge window uses GUILists Sort() now 17:53:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Cleanup: make some globals part of the build bridge window 17:54:57 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:56:17 *** Brianetta [~brian@77-103-231-158.cable.ubr05.benw.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:58:13 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello080109200215.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:19 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e79.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 18:15:17 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 18:17:52 <dih> are newgrf's listed in the newgrf query in the same order that they are loaded in? 18:18:04 <Touqen> http://itsnotlup.us 18:19:39 <peter1138> newgrf query? 18:20:26 <dih> UDP_SERVER_NEWGRFS 18:20:34 <dih> the response of UDP_CLIENT_GET_NEWGRFS 18:20:43 <peter1138> ah 18:20:46 <dih> :-) 18:20:49 <peter1138> should be 18:22:41 <Ammler> dih: do you sort them? 18:23:09 <dih> aye 18:23:09 <Ammler> because the order of your lib isn't the same as the server order 18:23:25 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-164-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 18:23:57 <Ammler> but I like it in alphabetical order more 18:24:30 <dih> yes - but not usefull if someone wants to load the grf's for single player 18:24:50 <Ammler> well, then he would also miss the parameters 18:25:40 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13270 /trunk/src/ (group_gui.cpp vehicle_gui.cpp): -Codechange: There is no need to clear lists in the window constructor 18:26:33 <Ammler> a export function from a save would be more useful 18:26:37 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:02 <dih> write it :-P 18:27:16 <Ammler> :-) 18:27:57 <Ammler> it might be already there, at least a function called saveConfig or so 18:28:25 <Ammler> but I wasn't able to use it .-) 18:29:41 <Ammler> you might be able to modify that so it would work :P 18:29:42 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 18:31:16 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r13271 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Codechange: groups sorting uses GUILists Sort() now 18:32:38 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has joined #openttd 18:35:44 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E31C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:56 <dih> could someone check if there could ever be a situation where a client gets a desync message and the server sais connection lost? 18:42:15 <SmatZ> yes 18:42:25 <SmatZ> hmm 18:42:27 <SmatZ> maybe 18:42:28 <SmatZ> :-) 18:42:33 <SmatZ> is it really important? 18:58:17 <Rubidium> dih: technically yes; the client determines whether it desyncs. If it loses the connection after the sync-frame then it knows it has desynced, but the server isn't notified of this (no connection anymore). 18:58:24 <Rubidium> the chance that this happens is near-zero though 19:11:27 *** sickie88 [~sickie@89.143.174.129] has joined #openttd 19:25:46 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E31C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:16 <Ammler> did something change with handling of town names? 19:27:37 <Ammler> glx: ? 19:28:03 <glx> not that I remember 19:28:24 <Ammler> so it should still work with 21... 19:29:53 *** McHawk [~hawk@p5489E181.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:23 <Ammler> omg 19:31:31 <Ammler> the whole cfg is reorganized 19:31:59 <Ammler> is there a compatibility switch? 19:32:22 <SmatZ> no 19:32:49 <Rubidium> why would you need a compatability switch? 19:33:07 <Ammler> because It seems we can't load our old cfg anymore 19:33:28 <Rubidium> for me it did load the old cfgs 19:33:51 <Belugas> Ammler must have been playing with some patches or something.. 19:33:58 <SmatZ> problem may be that old OTTD versions discard new openttd.cfg format 19:34:31 <Rubidium> SmatZ' explanation sounds way more likely 19:34:33 <Ammler> yeah, do we need now different cfg per revision? 19:34:40 <Rubidium> no 19:35:10 <Rubidium> just don't load a new-style CFG in an old-style openttd and then the resulting CFG in a new-style openttd 19:35:22 <Rubidium> as that'd most likely reset the settings 19:36:40 <peter1138> which is quite obvious :) 19:36:57 <peter1138> and if you're messing around with keeping old revisions, you should be using separate config files too 19:38:00 <Ammler> hmm, since 0.5 I only use one cfg 19:38:18 <Ammler> that worked quite well 19:38:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:39:13 <peter1138> well tough 19:39:16 <peter1138> we changed stuff 19:39:37 <planetmaker> hm. Upon restart of a server I was connected to, I got an assertion during re-connect: 19:39:45 <SmatZ> again? :-x 19:39:59 <planetmaker> no, just the one I said at #openttdcoop 19:40:18 <SmatZ> heeh 19:40:24 <SmatZ> this bug should be fixed 19:40:38 <SmatZ> *have been 19:40:46 <SmatZ> 3000 revisions ago 19:40:54 <SmatZ> or so.. maybe 1500 :) 19:40:56 <Ammler> why was that change needed? 19:41:13 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:14 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F55922.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:41:35 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [] 19:41:51 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has joined #openttd 19:41:52 <planetmaker> I remember that there was a fix, yes. :) I think, you did that :) 19:41:54 <SmatZ> Ammler: to better merge/join patches (of different kind), game settings and difficulty settings 19:42:10 <Rubidium> because I seem to remember some people requesting the ability to change some difficulty settings via the console... 19:42:14 <SmatZ> planetmaker: yeah :) do you get that "executing command from past" (or so) error? 19:42:16 *** Roujin [~Roujin@mnch-4d04eade.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:23 <Roujin> evening 19:42:31 <SmatZ> hello 19:43:10 <planetmaker> SmatZ: no. Just /.../src/players.cpp:865: failed assertion `_local_player == PLAYER_SPECTATOR' 19:43:30 <planetmaker> hi Roujin 19:43:38 <Rubidium> planetmaker: which server? 19:43:48 <planetmaker> #openttdcoop public server 19:43:52 <planetmaker> latest nightly 19:45:24 <Roujin> hey SmatZ, you still interested in the drag&draw patch? I kinda read nothing from you since I changed what you suggested.. (making it available only in scedit for now, without usage of CTRL...) 19:45:55 <SmatZ> Roujin: yeah errrr... I will ask 19:46:12 <Roujin> freshly updated it to trunk again today aswell ;) 19:47:17 <Roujin> isn't that beautiful? http://bugs.openttd.org/?getfile=2877 :P 19:47:48 <Ammler> Rubidium: It is of course better now, it's just because it was that complicated before, we made a webconfigurator, which isn't compatible anymore, the new structure looks really clean, indeed. 19:47:53 <SmatZ> Roujin: it is :-) 19:49:47 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e79.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 19:52:31 <Wolf01> 'night 19:52:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@87.9.234.250] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:59:49 <Belugas> yup, can't stop progress 20:00:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13272 /branches/noai/src/ (43 files in 2 dirs): 20:00:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Codechange: strdup all parameter strings coming from Squirrel going into the API after the possible WChar* -> char* conversion and free them after return. 20:00:45 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: signs getting strange names because the FS2OTTD buffer was already overwritten by commands/print attempts of other AIs. 20:05:01 *** sickie88 is now known as SickieAway 20:06:39 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:55 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 20:07:54 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has joined #openttd 20:09:03 <Ammler> SpComb: you need to update your configuration code too, but you might have it easier... :-) 20:11:59 *** mikl [~mikl@adsl.peytz.dk] has quit [] 20:18:11 <Ammler> maybe you should use a new name for the cfg 20:18:19 <Ammler> something like openttd7.cfg 20:20:50 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: glx * r13273 /trunk/src/ (bridge_gui.cpp core/bitmath_func.hpp): -Fix [FS#2042]: MSVC warnings (again) 20:21:17 <peter1138> hmm? 20:21:47 <Ammler> my cfg looks now so: http://paste.openttd.org/10457 :-) 20:21:55 <Ammler> all in one 20:22:56 <peter1138> heh 20:25:15 <Ammler> it looks like you should 1. backup the cfg 20:26:05 <dih> since when are there that many groups? 20:26:09 <Ammler> then save it with new format and then with old format and overwrite the old sections with the backup and you should still be able to play everything with one cfg 20:26:29 <dih> i only remember [settings] [network] [misc] and something like that 20:26:35 <Ammler> :-) 20:27:03 <Ammler> dih: it's very clean and easy now... 20:27:16 <dih> sweet 20:27:36 <dih> but no = forced after a newgrf line 20:27:44 <dih> to make it ini standard 20:27:49 <dih> i.e. 20:28:08 <dih> /path/to/the.grf = 20:28:12 <dih> instead of 20:28:16 <dih> /path/to/the.grf 20:35:00 <Ammler> oh 20:35:00 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E31C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:23 <Ammler> if you quit a "new" client, it does delete "old" sections 20:35:36 <SmatZ> yes 20:36:15 <Ammler> so, it's not possible to share one cfg for all revisions anymore 20:36:58 <SmatZ> no 20:37:10 <Ammler> how do you do it now? 20:39:22 <Belugas> one folder and one config for each of your versions 20:39:26 <Belugas> seems logical 20:39:29 <Belugas> is it? 20:46:20 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: richk * r13274 /branches/NewGRF_ports/ (482 files in 24 dirs): [NewGRF_ports] -Sync: with trunk r12806:13144. 20:50:04 <Ammler> Belugas: no, really not. :-) 20:50:34 <Ammler> why do you look for a cfg in ~/.openttd/ then? 20:51:00 <Bjarni> whoa 20:51:06 <Bjarni> svippy is on qdb 20:51:07 <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/175870 20:51:21 <Bjarni> either that or somebody close to him with a similar name 20:51:26 <Bjarni> (like his brother) 20:53:06 <SmatZ> wow! 20:53:13 <SmatZ> @seen svip 20:53:13 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: svip was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <svip> Who says which gender they are? 20:53:24 <Bjarni> @seen svippy 20:53:25 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: svippy was last seen in #openttd 5 weeks, 1 day, 22 hours, 41 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <svippy> ;-; 20:53:35 * Bjarni slaps svippy 20:53:38 <Bjarni> WAKE UP 20:53:48 <Sacro> IT'S A BEAUTIFUL MORNING 20:53:52 <SmatZ> svip != svippy ? 20:54:00 <Bjarni> I think it's the same guy 20:54:12 <Bjarni> at least they live at the same location and uses the same ISP 20:54:20 <SmatZ> heeh 20:55:22 <Bjarni> well 20:55:23 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-000-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:30 <Bjarni> if he shows up then I have something to tell him 20:55:50 <Bjarni> but I'm only telling if he shows up 20:56:07 <Bjarni> I guess I better highlight him then 20:56:23 <Bjarni> svippy: I got something to tell you but I will only tell you if you say anything 20:57:51 <Bjarni> http://qdb.us/163073 <-- wtf 20:57:56 <Bjarni> how did that happen??? 20:58:39 <SmatZ> ? 20:58:49 <Bjarni> the link 20:59:12 <Bjarni> there is an American football stuck in a solid door 20:59:58 <glx> unless it's a bullet 21:00:32 <Bjarni> a football shaped bullet 21:00:36 <Bjarni> I guess that's possible 21:03:37 *** Mark [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause3> <Bjarni> http://www.motorradonline.de/fotoshow/teure-gesten-im-verkehr.286339.htm <-- here is the pricelist <-- it's the "wrong" kind of waving ;) 21:07:07 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EE62.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:07:12 *** M4rk is now known as Mark 21:08:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13275 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: 21:08:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: sort lists with 2 items, too 21:08:25 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: -Fix: reset VL_RESORT and resort timer even when no sort was needed 21:11:15 *** Purno [~Purno@5357D37C.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:59 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-85-164.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:15:36 *** dR3x4cK [~Miranda@p5499E31C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: dR3x4cK] 21:22:06 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.230.1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:40 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause3: maybe you can explain the waving on that page 21:25:47 <SpComb> cfg changed where? 21:25:48 <Bjarni> I didn't really get why it's fined 21:26:40 <Roujin> Bjarni: you mean the 5th item? 21:26:54 <Bjarni> yes 21:27:19 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13276 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: -Codechange: use qsort() for initial sorting of a list for better performance (credits go to skidd13 and peter1138) 21:27:30 <Roujin> to wave like that in front of ones face means to tell the other person that he's not right in his mind 21:27:51 <dih> i vote for a = sign at the end of newgrf config settings that do not have parameters set 21:28:27 <Bjarni> oh 21:28:31 <SpComb> does a new OpenTTD version have a different .cfg format or what? 21:28:41 <dih> more detail 21:28:44 <dih> sections for everything 21:28:56 <dih> vehicles, pf, network, stations, blah blah blupp 21:29:00 <SpComb> and still no programatically-readable metainfo for it? 21:29:08 <SpComb> TTDPatch has switches.xml, which is a nice feature 21:29:24 <dih> my granmother has adjustable teeth 21:29:27 <dih> also a good feature 21:29:31 <SmatZ> :-D 21:29:34 <SpComb> sounds like it 21:29:39 <dih> :-P 21:29:51 <dih> <-- is funny :-P 21:29:56 <Ammler> SpComb: I thought your app can handle the new format, because you parsed the source 21:30:27 <Ammler> Error: Error(TypeError): iteration over non-sequence at /home/terom/my_ottd/web/web/templates/me_server_config.myt line 42 21:31:41 <dih> you broke it 21:31:43 <dih> anyhow 21:31:46 <dih> dih is off to bed 21:31:51 <dih> have a nice one ladies 21:31:54 <dih> SmatZ! 21:31:56 <dih> :-P 21:32:08 <SpComb> Ammler: dunno, depends on what's changed, there's some things hardcoded 21:32:08 <SmatZ> night dih, have fun :-) 21:32:12 *** SickieAway [~sickie@89.143.174.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:31 <Ammler> SpComb: you might be able to trash that now 21:32:55 <Ammler> no custom_diff anymore 21:33:45 <Ammler> the cfg looks now, like you can generate the whole cfg (except the grfs, if dih is right) 21:34:00 <Ammler> with default ini libs 21:35:09 <SpComb> default ini libs don't maintain the order of entries 21:35:21 <SpComb> bad for NewGRFs 21:38:30 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: rubidium * r13277 /trunk/src/ (genworld_gui.cpp openttd.cpp settings.cpp settings_func.h): -Fix: opntitle 'jumping' to the temperate climate when closing the NewGRF settings window. 21:39:01 *** jthill [~jthill@pool-71-109-85-164.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #openttd [] 21:39:10 <Ammler> another big advantage is possibiltiy to change almost everything (except grfs, ;-) ) over console, now. 21:39:21 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-023-072.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:33 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-023-072.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:39:39 <Ammler> and the only payment you have to make is, no sharing with other revs anymore. 21:40:19 <Rubidium> read: other revs you're likely not going to use in two weeks anyways ;) 21:40:34 <Rubidium> except maybe 0.6.x 21:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause3> this is weird... i can't find any page properly explaining that hand movement 21:40:58 <SpComb> backwards compatibility is a devlish thing 21:41:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13278 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix: Missing call to FindWindowPlacementAndResize() for drop down lists 21:41:23 <Rubidium> it's backward compatible (in OTTD) 21:41:28 <Rubidium> just not forward compatible 21:42:06 <Eddi|zuHause3> just start the older revisions with -c oldconfig.cfg 21:42:28 <SpComb> hmmk, I guess there's just not really that many third-party tools that interface with OpenTTD 21:42:37 <Sacro> openttd -c config-`openttd -v`.cfg 21:42:43 <Sacro> except that openttd -v fails 21:42:58 <SpComb> (so writing one is a bit painful) 21:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause3> now that is a stupid thing to do 21:43:37 <Ammler> Rubidium: maybe you could switch off the deleting of old sections, if the new already exists? 21:45:30 <Ammler> hmm, just realizing, if you play with servers, you do not need those sections anyway 21:45:41 <Ammler> everything fine :-) 21:46:14 <CIA-3> OpenTTD: smatz * r13279 /trunk/src/sortlist_type.h: -Codechange: simplify condition for terminating loop when reversing list order 21:48:26 <SpComb> anyways, cfg parsing is still irrelevant for me at this stage of development *whistle* 21:50:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> why parse the cfg manually when you can just hook into the ottd code? 21:51:22 <SpComb> hook into it how? 21:51:39 <Ammler> SpComb: I thought you already did? 21:52:21 <SpComb> Ammler: I abandoned the old MyOTTD code months ago 21:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause3> link to the functions... 21:52:51 *** Mwa [~lexi@70.188-233-85.staticip.namesco.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:53:29 <Eddi|zuHause3> i thought python could link to any language known to man 21:54:51 <SpComb> and then if the OpenTTD functions change? 21:55:01 <SpComb> I doubt any of the internal OpenTTD code has some kind of official API 21:55:30 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-164-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 22:01:13 *** Osai is now known as Osai^zZz 22:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> SpComb: that problem would still exist with a "switches.xml" file 22:13:24 <SpComb> not if the structure of the switches.xml file is defined 22:13:29 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:13:58 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:14:27 *** divo [~asd@x1-6-00-18-39-d3-e9-f6.k899.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:14 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:52 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-69-78.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:20:03 *** Mchl [~mchl@abel243.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:24 *** Mchl [~mchl@abel243.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 22:27:49 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e79.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:35:12 *** nzvip [~svip@192.38.109.188] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:35:22 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:38:08 <ben_goodger> <greeting/> 22:39:29 <Bjarni> </greeting> 22:39:52 <ben_goodger> <request target="information" class="offtopic"/> 22:40:17 <Mchl> This channel is not valid XIRC channel! 22:40:32 <ben_goodger> erm, what? 22:40:34 <Touqen> <response class="denial">DENIED</response> 22:41:03 * Mchl tries to validate markup :P 22:41:14 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: - nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -] 22:41:15 <ben_goodger> my markup is perfect! :P 22:41:36 <Mchl> where's DTD, I can't validate without it :P 22:41:55 <ben_goodger> Mchl: xml:benchat 0.2 22:42:02 <Mchl> uri ? 22:42:11 <ben_goodger> ¬.¬ 22:42:13 <Mchl> :P 22:42:21 <ben_goodger> anyway, I wonder if anyone could offer some help in MMORPG design; specifically, the question of botproofing an open-source one 22:42:23 * Bjarni points to the topic 22:42:30 <Bjarni> specially the "English only" part 22:42:42 <SpComb> ben_goodger: probably a pretty difficult problem to solve 22:42:52 <ben_goodger> SpComb: indeed... 22:42:58 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@93-80-37-63.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:43:55 <SpComb> and probably pretty impossible to totally solve in a reasonable manner 22:43:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:44:27 <SpComb> you'd need to be extremely restrictive as to what information you give to the client, and then validate things like response timing 22:44:28 <ben_goodger> the idea is to release the source for the client to make it potentially cross-platform and cross-arch, but this will of course mean that the protocol is open 22:45:10 <ben_goodger> ...go on..? 22:45:23 <SpComb> dunno, never had to do it myself 22:45:32 * SpComb ponders about writing an OpenTTD-multiplayer-playing bot 22:46:40 <SpComb> hylje: http://opr.hylje.fi/ <-- methinks your maintenance window is a bit overdue 22:46:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-214-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:49 <SpComb> only slightly over a month 22:46:53 <ben_goodger> my friend opines that allowing a paid subscription service to be botted would make it unfair and hence unbusinessy 22:46:54 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 22:49:18 <Mchl> SpComb should ponder on multiplaying NoAI 22:49:41 <SpComb> Mchl: nah, needs to be something covert and evil-genius-y 22:50:14 <Mchl> ah... i see... so that maniacal laughs could be added? 22:50:23 <SpComb> ben_goodger: perhaps you should just accept the fact that it's nigh-on impossible to completely rule out bots via protocol design, and try and figure out some behaviour-monitoring-and-human-oversight method? 22:50:50 <ben_goodger> this was deemed to difficult to implement 22:50:57 <ben_goodger> at this point I rolled my eyes theatrically 22:52:31 <SpComb> I wonder how open-source FPSs cope 22:52:55 <ben_goodger> they're not paid subscriptions, though... 22:53:24 <Ammler> SpComb: 1 month and a year :-) 22:53:49 <SpComb> Ammler: on hylje's site? 22:54:28 <Ammler> yeah, :-) 22:54:55 <SpComb> but consider e.g. automated grind-bots... masses of them that sit around in some remote place and just do the same simple-to-automate task over and over again 22:55:11 * Roujin has gotten into noAI 22:55:17 <SpComb> presumeably such could be detected via some kind of behaviour analysis? 22:55:22 <ben_goodger> SpComb: that's pretty much the thing 22:55:25 * Roujin like noAI 22:55:37 <ben_goodger> it could probably be 22:55:56 <SpComb> try and flag out suspicious activity so that some human operator could investigate? 22:56:35 <ben_goodger> good idea 22:56:35 <SpComb> I don't think it's possible to create a protocol that would stop that kind of activity 22:57:07 *** Aerandir [magic.powe@90-230-201-111-no37.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 22:57:10 <ben_goodger> well, it would be quite easy with a windows-only closed source thing 22:57:38 <ben_goodger> you just don't publish the protocol, and change it slightly every couple of weeks to screw up reverse engineers 22:58:05 <ben_goodger> the trouble is that I am desperate for this game to run on linux, and to run on linux properly it really does need to be open-source 22:58:09 <SpComb> that's just obfuscation indeed... which is a valid solution, raising the level of effort needed to do that high enough so that people won't 22:59:02 <ben_goodger> yeah 22:59:07 <SpComb> although that does fail as well... they just pay human operators trivial amounts of money to play WoW in 12 hour shifts and grind away :) 22:59:15 <SpComb> or manage to reverse-engineer it 22:59:39 <SpComb> hmm, no wikipedia article on glider 23:00:08 <Roujin> is it known that the AI Debug window isn't redrawn properly? 23:00:22 <Roujin> on the noAI branch 23:00:26 <SpComb> Q: How does Glider work? A: Glider works a lot like a regular player. It looks at your health, mana, energy, etc. It moves the mouse around and pushes keys on the keyboard. You tell it about your character, where you want to kill things, and what to kill. Then it kills for you, automatically. You can do something else, like eat dinner or go to a movie, and when you return, you'll have a lot more experience and loot. 23:00:53 <SpComb> Q: Can I cheat with Glider? Is it a hack? A: No. It will not show you things that you cannot normally see in the game and it does not control the game other than keystrokes and mouse movements. It's not a teleport hack, speed hack, minimap hack, or anything along those lines. 23:01:00 <Bjarni> <SpComb> although that does fail as well... they just pay human operators trivial amounts of money to play WoW in 12 hour shifts and grind away :) <--- I don't think this job is as great as it sounds 23:01:50 <Bjarni> I saw one suck WoW money farming company on TV once 23:01:57 <Bjarni> located in China 23:02:18 <ben_goodger> as did I 23:02:26 <Bjarni> The guys working there did nothing but eat whatever was served, play and sleep 23:02:45 <Bjarni> they had a sleeping room with bunk beds in the office building 23:03:38 <Bjarni> while I enjoy playing computer games once in a while I prefer to do it for fun 23:03:45 <Bjarni> and also to do other stuff 23:04:25 <SpComb> Bjarni: well, they only need to do it for a year or two before they have enough money to move back home, get married etc. 23:04:49 <Bjarni> and totally don't want to play computer games anymore :P 23:05:29 <SpComb> I read a new york times article on it once... part of it was about how they play WoW with their own characters at internet cafes during their time off 23:05:53 <Bjarni> o_O 23:06:25 <Bjarni> they are brainwashed 23:06:41 <Bjarni> maybe they speak Orcish to each other 23:07:13 <glx> Roujin: it uses a timer to redraw 23:07:54 <Bjarni> I wonders about infesting a money farming company with a java virus 23:08:02 <Bjarni> one that will cause the players to do stupid stuff 23:08:18 <Bjarni> I mean after all we are told that there is one for OpenTTD 23:08:28 *** Dominik [~Dominik@dslb-092-072-000-059.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:35 <Bjarni> but somehow it only affected one computer and it didn't spread 23:09:00 <Roujin> glx: why's that? 23:09:19 <Roujin> can't it redraw as soon as something was printed? 23:09:49 <Roujin> currently it gets really ugly when there's some output.. part of lines are drawn, where I move my cursor and such... 23:13:01 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-110-195.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: 1:12 am, today I do not fail!] 23:14:49 <Bjarni> <rbeattie> If you were MEANT to understand it, we wouldn't have called it 'code' 23:27:21 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-152-123-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Quit: You will never be the man your mother was!] 23:27:33 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-152-123-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 23:27:44 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-152-123-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:56 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37e79.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 23:31:43 *** Zahl [~Zahl@p549F1A7B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:43:09 *** Mchl [~mchl@abel243.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:51 <Roujin> awww 23:50:44 <Roujin> wondered why the rollback isn't working for minutes.. then only saw in the API that it's not yet finished :'( 23:54:12 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-163-148.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]