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00:08:07 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA410.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 00:11:10 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 00:11:28 *** |Digitalfox| [~kvirc@bl7-176-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 00:12:36 *** |Digitalfox| [~kvirc@bl7-176-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [] 00:22:29 *** Digitalfox [~Digitalfo@bl7-176-108.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:54 *** TiberiusTeng [~Tiberius@sbt.idv.tw] has joined #openttd 00:28:25 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-86-176.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:46 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B744FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:39:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B75D6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:47:07 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738cc83.ge-1-1-0-1100.alnqu1.ip.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 00:49:13 <Eddi|zuHause3> wow... german road vehicle grf released... 00:50:01 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:06:58 *** sheskar_ [~skrause@sirio.realpath.org] has joined #openttd 01:08:51 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7F239.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 01:52:49 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.104.201] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:54 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 02:21:52 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:55 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:29:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 02:53:02 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 03:02:23 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180067089.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:03:36 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 03:05:22 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:05:48 *** Repentinus [~Wisecreat@150.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has joined #openttd 03:06:55 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069214.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:20 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:26:48 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 03:28:38 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:22 *** yaaa [~r@72-161-153-4.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #openttd 03:35:43 *** yaaa [~r@72-161-153-4.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #openttd [] 03:47:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 03:50:58 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 03:52:47 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:04:27 <TiberiusTeng> @seen Ammler 04:04:27 <DorpsGek> TiberiusTeng: Ammler was last seen in #openttd 13 hours, 22 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Ammler> so you just can check if there is a industrie with 0% and that one is new... 04:15:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 04:16:57 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:33:00 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm93.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 04:41:27 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 04:43:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:50:54 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: a1270] 04:53:23 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 05:03:28 *** Repentinus [~Wisecreat@150.20.190.90.dyn.estpak.ee] has quit [] 05:09:45 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 05:11:32 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:29:57 <Celestar> good morning 05:35:58 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 05:36:33 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 05:37:47 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@a62-251-30-68.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:40 <peter1138> Hi 05:58:50 <Celestar> hey peter1138 05:59:10 <Celestar> peter1138: route-setup nearly complete :D 05:59:36 <Celestar> peter1138: got a minimal template/generic programming problem on route distruction 05:59:40 <Celestar> destruction* 05:59:57 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:15 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 06:05:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 06:07:02 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:35 <blathijs> jordi: A watch file? 06:12:45 <hylje> Celestar: omg! templates! 06:13:41 <Celestar> hylje: what? 06:14:43 <Celestar> the code is very very very full of templates 06:15:05 <hylje> then it's all full of omg :) 06:15:16 <hylje> does one of said templates produce, say, ponies? 06:25:20 <blathijs> *grin* 06:32:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:05:24 *** svippy [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:05:24 *** svippery [~svip@0x50a5b150.boanxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08:02 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 07:13:14 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 07:13:16 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 07:29:10 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 07:30:57 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:40:14 *** shodan [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:33 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13831 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Make purchase list order NewGRF property an extended byte. 07:54:47 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 07:58:31 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 08:00:17 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:31 <peter1138> Hmm, 1964. I ought to replace all my old steamers. 08:09:42 *** dlunch_ [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 08:12:31 *** freepenguin [~freepengu@host43-124-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:15:15 *** freepenguin [~freepengu@host43-124-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:16:57 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:54 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5652F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:23:43 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 08:25:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:28:25 *** dlunch_ is now known as dlunch 08:37:18 <jordi> blathijs: debian/wach 08:37:21 <jordi> debian/watch 08:37:26 <jordi> see man uscan 08:38:48 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:42:16 *** Poopsmith [~poop@29.125.49.202.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has joined #openttd 08:43:47 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 08:51:03 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 08:52:47 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:49 *** Poopsmith [~poop@29.125.49.202.dynamic.snap.net.nz] has quit [Quit: Poopsmith] 08:54:56 <TiberiusTeng> @seen planetmaker 08:54:56 <DorpsGek> TiberiusTeng: planetmaker was last seen in #openttd 11 hours, 26 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <planetmaker> now it compiles. Thx :) 08:57:40 <ln> @sb 08:57:48 <ln> @seen Bjarni 08:57:48 <DorpsGek> ln: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 49 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <Bjarni> I didn't have any 08:59:19 <blathijs> jordi: I can't seem to find the actual use case for uscan/watch 08:59:30 <blathijs> jordi: Is it meant for packagers to get notified? 08:59:56 <dih> ln: wait another week, then it will say 4 :-P 08:59:56 <blathijs> jordi: Or users that want nag maintainers with "new upstream version" reports? 09:09:34 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c808.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 09:11:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1EEF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:04 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:06 *** valhalla1w is now known as valhallasw 09:22:04 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@144.138.223.26] has joined #openttd 09:23:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:23:26 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:31 <Wolf01> hello 09:28:19 <Doorslammer> ;) 09:28:39 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 09:30:40 <peter1138> Whoops. I forgot to pause, and both the AIs went bust, in about 10 minutes. 09:31:40 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:33:33 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: morning 09:35:10 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:36:43 <TiberiusTeng> Ammler, just wanna let you know I've incorporated NewGRF presets into the new gui :) 09:37:22 <Ammler> you are my hero :-) 09:38:03 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:41:12 <Rexxie> dinosaurs! 09:42:23 <Yorick> truths! 09:42:52 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 09:44:16 <Rexxie> dinosaurs ARE the truth! 09:44:45 <Yorick> more truths! 09:45:02 <Rexxie> the truth is a lie :( 09:45:22 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: I got exit 09:45:30 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Quit: ì ìŽë§ ê°ëë€.] 09:45:37 <Ammler> src/openttd.cpp:142: void error(const char*, ...): Assertion `0' failed. 09:46:02 <Ammler> if I change to display mode "paths" and click on a GRF 09:46:04 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 09:46:08 <TiberiusTeng> ugh. 09:46:23 <TiberiusTeng> ok, on my quest of bughunting ... 09:47:13 <Ammler> yeah, the display mode seems broken... 09:47:31 <Ammler> not that important, anyway 09:48:00 <Yorick> could someone explain the openttd date format to me? 09:49:45 <Yorick> it is counted in days 09:49:48 <ln> Is there a risk that OpenTTD AI will become the Skynet and start the war? 09:49:51 <Yorick> days from year 0? 09:49:57 <Yorick> ln: not really 09:50:08 <Eddi|zuHause3> Yorick: yes 09:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause3> sometimes days from year 1920 09:50:48 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: it happens, if a grf on the list is marked... 09:51:06 <Yorick> Eddi: I mean the date sent over the network UDP 09:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause3> there is not actually a year 0, years switched from 1BC to 1AD on a "Point 0" 09:52:03 <Yorick> you'll ruin my theories, shh 09:53:06 <Yorick> hmm, why does my date constructor accept a long long for a day if it can not be any higher than 31... 09:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause3> check "ConvertYMDToDate" and reverse... 09:54:34 <Yorick> I know...but it isn't very clear to me 09:55:34 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:00:59 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 10:02:05 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 10:02:47 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:03:57 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 10:04:10 <TiberiusTeng> Ammler, fixed ... I wonder how it worked in previous versions :P 10:04:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-514d7e3a.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:04:17 <TiberiusTeng> no need to redownload the patch 10:04:36 <TiberiusTeng> just edit your english.txt, find STR_NEWGRF_NAME, change the {STRING} to {RAW_STRING} and remake the lang file 10:10:25 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:15:31 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:21:40 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13832 /trunk/src/fontcache.cpp: -Fix [FS#2152]: FreeType may return a bitmap glyph even if a grey-scale glyph was requested. 10:22:33 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:28:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 10:30:02 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:22 * peter1138 ponders investigating the articulated autoreplace refit problem. 10:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> don't... you'll see scary bjarnisms 10:34:47 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad915ab.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 10:36:19 <Sir-Bob> Recently when compiling I've been getting a error with the determineversion.vbs. It says "Error: ActiveX component can't create object: 'Scripting.FileSystemObject'" It still compiles but shows wrong version, any ideas? 10:39:25 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad1ee04.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:25 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 10:39:37 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:18 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:50 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5652F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:42:05 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5652F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:46:03 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5652F.versanet.de] has quit [] 10:51:26 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 10:53:12 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:03:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:52 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5652F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:56 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 11:16:43 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 11:18:28 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:29:21 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 11:31:43 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@ndb.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Wezz6400] 11:38:07 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static217-26.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:44:59 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 11:45:58 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:50:56 <Ammler> GermanRV released 11:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> slowpoke :p 11:55:49 <Ammler> :-) 11:56:00 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: already in use? 11:56:16 <Eddi|zuHause3> would need to start a new game for that... 11:56:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> not going to do that with the old paxdest patch... 12:05:27 <peter1138> Trunk needs YAPP and Celestar's work :D 12:05:31 <peter1138> When finished. 12:05:47 <Eddi|zuHause3> exactly ;) 12:07:19 *** Sir-Bob [~chatzilla@c122-107-227-146.eburwd5.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:01 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause3: don't you use the dynmaic engine pool? 12:08:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 12:08:24 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammler: no, my version is pre-enginepool 12:09:28 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd11c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 12:09:59 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:11:13 <peter1138> Use a later version! Loads of fixes! 12:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause3> yeah... i'm not going to synch this stuff :p 12:11:53 <peter1138> Oh, you're not using trunk... 12:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> main problem with updating is savegame compatibility... 12:14:22 <Eddi|zuHause3> which is not worth it... 12:20:08 *** Osai is now known as Osai^holidays 12:25:16 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:25:18 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:29:19 <Ammler> Is it possible to set a color as your default? 12:29:20 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-100-10.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:32:23 <peter1138> No. 12:33:53 <Ammler> It is mostly green here, is that intended or just accident? 12:34:02 <peter1138> It's random. 12:35:59 <Ammler> Cargo tram has 5 waggons but only cap of 60 that is even not double of a truck... :-/ 12:36:20 <peter1138> And what year is that? 12:36:28 <Ammler> 2001 12:36:30 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 12:36:41 <peter1138> Hee 12:36:47 <frosch123> german rvs? 12:36:51 <Ammler> jep 12:37:15 <peter1138> Maybe it's using realistic values... ;) 12:37:35 <frosch123> 4 tons iron ore per articulated part :) 12:38:13 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:38:17 <Rexxie> are there any patches that slow down time (so a game lasts longer, vehicles are introduced slower etc)? 12:38:18 <Ammler> refitable to Mail, Goods, Lifestock, wood and steel, 12:38:37 <peter1138> Rexxie, daylength. 12:38:38 <Ammler> Rexxie: daylength patch 12:38:39 <frosch123> however the readme tells something about capacities being wrong. But it is not clear whether the author means his set or ttdp. 12:39:22 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 12:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause3> i think he means ttdp displays the wrong capacities in the build window 12:39:25 <Rexxie> many thanks :) 12:39:39 <Eddi|zuHause3> but the capacities after build are correct 12:40:39 <frosch123> don't know. I wouldn't mind 5x20 tons iron ore, instead of 5x4 12:41:09 <Ammler> frosch123: also the trucks of germanrv has cap like the default trucks. 12:43:00 <frosch123> just built a MB 0405G bus, the capacity in buy menu and after building are indeed different 12:44:10 <Rexxie> what's preventing the daylength patch from being in trunk? 12:44:22 <Ammler> :-) 12:44:30 <peter1138> The devs. 12:44:36 <frosch123> the same holds for the passenger trams 12:44:46 <peter1138> frosch123, in TTDPatch or OpenTTD? 12:44:50 <frosch123> only the cargo trams are different in that point 12:45:04 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 12:45:09 <Rexxie> "the devs" meaning what... the developers dont like the code? dont like the feature? think its too buggy? 12:45:48 <frosch123> err no - the 'difference' also applies to the cargo trams 12:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause3> Rexxie: the feature is very very incomplete regarding what should be slowed down and what should not be slowed down 12:46:13 <Rexxie> ok 12:48:28 <Ammler> hmm, then it might be something for the balancing branch 12:48:46 <frosch123> peter1138: in ottd, but as the other tram sets work, it should be the fault of the grf 12:49:20 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:41 <Eddi|zuHause3> there's a callback for data on the build preview... 12:50:13 <frosch123> peter1138: just scanned the log, I have a nearly finished fix for the articulated road vehicle refit problem 12:50:30 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:52:23 <Ammler> frosch123: aren't you able to append units individually in patch? 12:52:49 <Ammler> so you can make aRV in the length you like? 12:53:58 <frosch123> Ammler: IIRC that feature was only temporarly 12:54:12 <Eddi|zuHause3> Ammler: i'm sure that can be prevented with callbacks 12:54:36 <Ammler> just that would make sense to define cap per unit... 12:55:25 <Ammler> indeed Eddi|zuHause3 12:55:53 <peter1138> frosch123, oh... right. 12:56:03 * peter1138 shall continue not doing it then :D 12:58:12 <frosch123> however autoreplace is doomed when cargo subtypes become important (e.g. different capacities) 12:58:47 <peter1138> Yup. 12:59:07 <peter1138> (George's LVs) 13:02:40 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74E16.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:02:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74E16.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 13:03:44 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:10 <Ammler> hehe, TiberiusTeng altered the warning msg. with the GUI: http://www.myimg.de/?img=grfgui4d48f.png (not sure, if that is good) 13:05:48 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 13:06:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75533.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:26 *** Eddi|zuHause3 [~johekr@p54B744FC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:07:37 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:08:08 <TiberiusTeng> :P 13:08:46 <peter1138> Problem is you've now got two patches in one. 13:09:57 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: why is it cheating? 13:10:19 <Ammler> hmm 13:10:21 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 13:10:41 <Ammler> TiberiusTeng: you could check if inflation is off, then the msg would be obsolete 13:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> gaah... i hate it... one hot day and everything blows up... 13:11:10 <TiberiusTeng> I feel that resetting inflation is some kind of cheating ... 13:11:17 <TiberiusTeng> yeah, another check 13:11:21 <Ammler> :-) 13:11:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:11:42 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: do you play with inflation? 13:11:51 <Eddi|zuHause> no 13:12:21 <TiberiusTeng> but since changing NewGRFs is not supported in the first place, ... 13:12:47 <Eddi|zuHause> TiberiusTeng: but you need not intentionally break stuff just because it says "it is not supported" 13:12:47 <Ammler> it is supported, else you wouldn't be able too, it is just not recommend... 13:12:53 <Ammler> -o 13:13:49 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: he dosn't break something, he does fix something :-) 13:14:05 <peter1138> Wrong. 13:14:19 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... however I think loading NewGRFs with new cargo definitions without resetting those rates, is actually breaking stuff ... 13:14:20 <Ammler> it is just not needed every time 13:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> what is this shit? after that reboot just now, kaffeine keeps on crashing... 13:15:44 <peter1138> I don't see why a patch to change the NewGRF GUI should ever affect the economy. 13:16:13 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577ADB62.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:15 <TiberiusTeng> how about a global counter that records how many times AddInflation() is called, and redo that after resetting cargo rates? 13:17:02 <Ammler> peter1138: reset engines is there too.. 13:17:18 <peter1138> And shouldn't be. 13:17:27 <peter1138> There's no need for it to be automatically called. 13:17:40 <Ammler> maybe moving them all to the cheat menu? 13:17:48 <peter1138> Well it could be a console command. 13:18:01 <Ammler> no you do not like console commands! 13:18:18 <peter1138> No, I don't like you. 13:18:23 <Ammler> :-) 13:19:23 <TiberiusTeng> I don't see how it will become 'less evil' by making it more obscure to use ... 13:19:59 <peter1138> When the cargo rates can be done in a way that doesn't change the existing economy values, then it can be automatic. 13:20:57 <peter1138> When you can detect if a vehicle GRF is added or removed, then it can be automatic with a warning. 13:21:37 <peter1138> But as it is with your patch, just adding a station GRF will mess up the game. 13:22:13 <Ammler> what about just allowing it in the scenario editor? 13:22:27 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng: possible solution for the inflation issue... 13:22:40 <peter1138> No counter is needed, because you can determine it from one of the old inflation values. 13:23:22 <peter1138> Compare a value before reset with the value after reset. Then apply inflation multiple times until they match, or at least match very closely. 13:23:53 <peter1138> If you fancy writing that as a separate patch... ;) 13:26:02 <TiberiusTeng> hmm ... since StartupEconomy() resets everything, so I can use something in _price to "match" ? 13:26:26 <TiberiusTeng> how "separate" do you want ? from the new NewGRF GUI ? :p 13:27:59 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13833 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_road.cpp ai_road.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: make all AIRoad::IsNNN() also check for CurrentRoadType (Yexo) 13:29:02 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 13:29:40 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13834 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_controller.hpp: [NoAI] -Fix: make doxygen happy again 13:30:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:34:09 <sheskar_> Even when I set the construction speed of my opponents to "very fast", with the new AI they only build very few trucks, maybe up to 15 or 20. How can I tweak it so that they really build lots of stuff? I'm using version 0.6.1. 13:34:16 *** sheskar_ is now known as sheskar 13:37:46 <TiberiusTeng> finished a two-liner patch for the inflation issue. Now it's testing time ... :D 13:38:28 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:39:10 *** Recimin [Mathias@c-7ff1e455.98-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:40:03 *** [defcon]Recimin [Mathias@c-7ff1e455.98-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 13:41:15 *** Recimin [Mathias@c-7ff1e455.98-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [] 13:41:22 *** [defcon]Recimin is now known as Recimin 13:41:59 <frosch123> peter1138: Wrt. http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36105&start=21 Do you know why some things are not done for articulated parts? I.e. http://www.math.tu-clausthal.de/~mtce/ottd/articulatedcb10.diff 13:44:08 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c808.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:37 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:47:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75533.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:48:55 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c808.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:49:29 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:50:19 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:51:50 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-233-145.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #openttd 13:53:34 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75404.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:56:44 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13835 /branches/noai/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [NoAI] -Add: added AITile.IsStationTile (Yexo) 13:57:20 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 13:59:08 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:43 <peter1138> frosch123, I cannot remember. 14:03:01 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng, separate as in separate... 14:07:13 <TiberiusTeng> http://paste.openttd.org/36595 something like this ? 14:08:00 <peter1138> Something like that. 14:08:28 <TiberiusTeng> forgot to include src/economy.cpp (remove static on AddInflation() so it can be called from openttd.cpp) 14:08:54 <peter1138> Of course it messes up if the base costs are changed, but... 14:09:27 <peter1138> But... 14:09:31 <peter1138> That doesn't work anyway. 14:09:50 <TiberiusTeng> ... NewGRF can change _price.build_railvehicle ? 14:10:33 <TiberiusTeng> perhaps a counter would be better in that case ... 14:10:36 <SmatZ> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2074 isn't this the same? (except the inflation stuff) 14:11:06 <peter1138> SmatZ: No. 14:11:20 <peter1138> It's a better solution. 14:12:11 *** sheskar [~skrause@sirio.realpath.org] has left #openttd [] 14:13:54 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-26-82-230.nrth.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 14:15:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it was closed very prematurely i think... 14:15:24 * SmatZ agrees 14:16:07 <SmatZ> but true is that automatic price calculation is better than console command 14:16:09 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 14:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if we have a "resetengines" command, there's no reason why we shouldn't have a "reseteconomy" command 14:16:17 * peter1138 tidies up TiberiusTeng's patch. 14:16:24 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, but it's better if it's automatic. 14:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but automatic is bad if it may break stuff 14:17:55 <TiberiusTeng> ahh, it should force bypass the year check in AddInflation(), or it will stuck in loop if _cur_year is too large ... 14:18:11 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng, ok. 14:18:42 <peter1138> I don't think that's needed. 14:18:43 <SmatZ> peter1138: what about first calculating number of AddInflation() calls (with old base prices), and after resetting the economy calling it again? (but it would make code more complex) 14:19:05 <peter1138> Possible. 14:19:14 <TiberiusTeng> the counter must saved in the savegame ... 14:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i have a feeling having a simple counter is easier than recalculating everything 14:23:24 <SmatZ> but it would need a savegame bump... and if it is possible to calculate (in a short time with a simple algorithm), why not do so 14:24:04 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds like a valid argument ;) 14:24:27 <peter1138> http://svn.bucks.net/~petern/reseteconomy.diff 14:26:35 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has joined #openttd 14:27:34 <peter1138> (Does that work? heh) 14:28:03 <Yorick> I hope it does 14:28:24 *** Gekz [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:31 <TiberiusTeng> some FF in a new game will find out ;) 14:28:54 <peter1138> Mmm, my game already has the cargo types I want ;) 14:30:08 <peter1138> A little larger than TiberiusTeng's patch, but means no change at all if no cargo types are added. Although, if they are only changed... :o 14:32:01 <Eddi|zuHause> what happens if i intentionally have a cargo with a payment rate of 0? 14:32:31 <peter1138> Then it will just reset even though it's not needed. 14:32:39 <peter1138> And nobody will transport that cargo type... 14:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it could have very ill (newgrf) sideeffects besides not being paid ;) 14:34:37 <frosch123> ships need ballast to not overturn :p 14:35:53 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 14:36:39 *** Yorick [~Yorick@82-171-194-232.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 14:39:05 *** Volley [~worf@85-127-233-145.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:39 <SmatZ> peter1138: what about computing the number of inflation steps from _economy.max_loan ? 14:44:50 <SmatZ> or are newgrfs able to change that value? 14:45:01 <SmatZ> _economy.max_loan_unround that is 14:45:59 <peter1138> Unfortunately that doesn't doesn't change in the same way as regular inflation. 14:46:05 <peter1138> Oh, unrounded... 14:46:28 <peter1138> That sounds like a good idea. 14:47:15 <SmatZ> :) 14:52:38 *** Gekz_ [~brendan@123.200.241.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:35 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r13836 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp economy_func.h openttd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2074]: Automatically recalculate inflation if NewGRFs are changed and cargo types are added, so that cargo payment rates are correct. 14:58:57 <peter1138> So guys 14:59:20 <peter1138> Main use is of course for changing cargo types in a scenario.... 14:59:23 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:59:40 *** dlunch [~dlunch@61.108.29.49] has joined #openttd 15:00:36 <Ammler> ;-) 15:02:53 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: glx * r13837 /branches/noai/ (74 files in 4 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r13787:13836. 15:06:49 <peter1138> TiberiusTeng, you need to update your patch ;) 15:07:09 <TiberiusTeng> the newgrf one? sure :) 15:08:19 <Ammler> THank you guys and sorry for the obsolete work on the gui, TiberiusTeng. 15:08:42 <TiberiusTeng> obsolete work ? what did you mean ? 15:09:01 <Ammler> inclusion of those 2 functions there, which you need to remove now again... 15:10:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you have a weird definition of "obsolete" 15:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if everyone goes by that philosophy, nobody would ever build prototypes 15:11:36 <TiberiusTeng> actually it was just a few lines now also in peter1138's update ;) 15:12:45 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: is obsolete a bad word? 15:12:52 *** Yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:14:17 <Yorick> we should enlarge the openttd icon to vista sizes 15:14:27 <Yorick> aka 256x256 :) 15:14:44 <peter1138> Has already been discussed. 15:14:51 <hylje> there's a 512x512 icon in media i think 15:15:24 <peter1138> There's an SVG icon on wikipedia. 15:15:52 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:15:56 <Yorick> I know 15:16:05 <Yorick> but we should get it into the binaries 15:16:09 <Yorick> you* 15:17:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 15:17:51 <peter1138> Why? I never see the icon anyway. 15:19:07 <Yorick> it would look rather nice if I would set my desktop to XXL-Icons 15:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody uses windows anyway... 15:20:50 <Celestar> heyo 15:20:57 <Yorick> some of our users do 15:21:02 <Yorick> your* 15:21:17 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody cares about users :p 15:21:40 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has joined #openttd 15:21:56 <Yorick> Eddi: you're right...I don't really care about you 15:22:21 <glx> Yorick: but msvc8 doesn't support vista icons 15:22:45 <Yorick> isnt msvc8 for vista? 15:22:59 <Celestar> peter1138: heh. currently, my entire route network system just adds 70 lines to existing C++ and header files, and this *includes* the introduction of the "prev" member to the Order class. 15:23:11 <glx> msvc8 is 2005 15:23:30 <peter1138> Hmm 15:23:33 <Yorick> who uses 2005 software anyway 15:24:00 <glx> those who paid it and are satisfied with it for example 15:24:41 <Celestar> peter1138: apart from that, I'm adding about 20 lines of code :P 15:25:05 <glx> btw mingw as no problems with that ;) 15:25:15 <peter1138> And several thousand lines of Boost? ;) 15:25:30 <peter1138> But... cool. 15:25:47 <peter1138> How are owners handled? 15:27:03 <Celestar> peter1138: not at all. as they do not share stations, it's no problem 15:27:21 <Celestar> peter1138: their route networks do not interfere 15:27:30 <peter1138> Ah right. And if they did then it would still work properly. 15:27:31 <Eddi|zuHause> you just get isolated components 15:27:40 <Celestar> peter1138: correct 15:27:46 <Celestar> even with shared stations 15:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the existing patch has an experimental "walk x tiles" feature, which could be used to transfer between separate companies 15:28:35 <Celestar> because we could pay-per-route-segment 15:28:47 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I'm not doing anything like this (yet) 15:29:04 <Eddi|zuHause> just wanted to point out ;) 15:33:24 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: sure 15:33:45 <Celestar> peter1138: I'm currently not taking the maximum speed of the vehicles into account. 15:33:57 *** GoneWacko [GoneWacko@86-60-147-155-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi] has joined #openttd 15:34:22 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, doesn't the existing patch have a 'hiccup every month' feature? 15:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 15:35:34 <Celestar> peter1138: no, it has a "hiccup every day" feature, because it loops all existing cargopackets every day 15:35:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the DB route calculation has also the ability to check "identical targets" [like route people from a station to the bus stop in front of the station] 15:36:12 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 15:36:34 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: the what?! 15:36:45 <peter1138> I think he's talking about real life. 15:36:48 <peter1138> Whatever that is. 15:37:20 <peter1138> In OpenTTD, of course, you'll just make the bus station part of the train station, thus an 'identical target.' 15:37:25 <Celestar> peter1138: I've heard rumors that it exists 15:37:54 * glx should try with the latest SDK 15:38:11 <Eddi|zuHause> no, it's a simulation what you could do if you actually wanted to check out this "real life"... 15:39:10 <Celestar> peter1138: I dunno how many lines of codes boost needs, but my route network framework is around 700 (400 of which are comments) 15:41:59 <peter1138> Mmm, it's good to avoid NIH syndrome if the code is good enough> 15:42:00 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:56 *** plakkertjes [~plakkertj@ip51cc357e.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 15:44:58 <peter1138> Bah, updated my YAPP build and my savegame's lost :( 15:45:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that is exactly what i meant... 15:47:53 <peter1138> Hmm, actually it might just be missing GRFs :o 15:50:36 <peter1138> Yay, it was. 15:52:04 *** xerxes [user@ppp101-219.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:10 *** Chrill` [~chrischri@c80-216-64-31.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 15:55:51 <Celestar> peter1138: NIH syndrome? 15:56:16 <peter1138> Not-Invented-Here 15:57:04 *** izhirahi1er [~izzy@squareroot.divisionbyzero.net] has joined #openttd 15:57:08 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> xenon.oftc.net quits: a1270, Chrill, shodan, izhirahider, wgrant, Touqen 15:57:08 *** xerxes is now known as shodan 15:57:25 *** Netsplit over, joins: Touqen 15:57:29 <Celestar> peter1138: that means? We shouldn't reinvent the wheel? 15:57:34 *** Netsplit over, joins: wgrant 15:57:44 <peter1138> Yeah. 15:58:21 <peter1138> Unless it's autoreplace :D 15:58:24 *** izhirahi1er is now known as izhirahider 15:59:10 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:49 <SmatZ> making OTTD dependant on boost only for one thing... I am not in favour of that idea 16:00:45 <SmatZ> I hope it would be only compile-time dependency 16:01:14 <peter1138> It is a template library, I believe? 16:01:52 <peter1138> Of course, I am not against rewriting things when it can be improved or cut down to our needs. 16:02:36 <peter1138> Usually the latter, as there are plenty more skilled programmers than me :) 16:03:06 <SmatZ> all I know is that installing boost takes ages on my system because it tries to optimise it somehow... 16:03:11 <SmatZ> hehe sure :-D 16:03:42 <SmatZ> *it->itself 16:07:17 <Celestar> SmatZ: it is a template library 16:07:28 <Celestar> SmatZ: only compile time, and its not a lot of files 16:07:37 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:52 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm93.epsilon124.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:09:33 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 16:11:59 <frosch123> do you want a new version of yapp? 16:13:17 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has left #openttd [] 16:13:21 <peter1138> Who? 16:13:52 *** Chrill` is now known as Chrill 16:14:23 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: frosch * r13838 /trunk/ (12 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Make industry tiles aware of WaterClasses. 16:14:41 <frosch123> I am quite sure the major version number of yapp will increase in near future :p 16:15:18 <SmatZ> frosch123: did you find/fixed any new YAPP bug? 16:15:32 <frosch123> no, I bumped the savegame version :) 16:15:58 <SmatZ> aha :) 16:16:17 <peter1138> Boo! 16:17:09 <peter1138> Maybe michi_cc will just give up and never update it again! ;( 16:18:33 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 16:25:42 <planetmaker> g'day 16:27:57 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has joined #openttd 16:30:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-514d7e3a.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> omg, he's gone down under... 16:37:17 *** nicfer [~Administr@168.226.105.15] has joined #openttd 16:39:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:39 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:39:52 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 16:41:56 <plakkertjes> hello 16:42:01 <plakkertjes> anybody know why my monorail isnt available? 16:42:03 <plakkertjes> :P 16:42:10 <glx> any grf? 16:42:55 <plakkertjes> excuse me 16:42:56 <plakkertjes> :P 16:42:58 <plakkertjes> ye 16:43:29 <plakkertjes> ye i do have those 16:43:36 <plakkertjes> but why is it not working :( 16:44:32 <glx> if the grf provides electric trains, then it can't have monorail and maglev 16:47:23 <plakkertjes> uhm 16:47:25 <plakkertjes> so what'd i do? () 16:47:28 <plakkertjes> :P 16:47:47 <plakkertjes> you know what 16:47:51 <plakkertjes> ill tell you what i did -.- 16:48:01 <glx> don't use newgrfs or don't use monorail 16:48:08 <plakkertjes> i copied the .cfg of the server of #openttdcoop 16:48:11 <plakkertjes> because 16:48:20 <plakkertjes> all i wanted is that trains dont slow down on slopes 16:48:22 <plakkertjes> :) 16:48:44 <glx> realistic acceleration on or off (can't remember) 16:49:10 <plakkertjes> ye, well dont work as far as I know 16:49:11 <plakkertjes> ill try, thank you 16:49:14 <plakkertjes> brb 16:49:17 <Vikthor> some of the newgrf sets have convetional trains powerfull enough not to slow down 16:49:36 <Vikthor> you have to search though 16:50:52 <DaleStan> <glx> if the grf provides electric trains, then it can't have monorail and maglev <-- Incorrect. Newgrf allows for all four track types, and, AFAICT, always has. 16:52:15 <glx> right but as most are designed for TTDPatch, 1 type as to go 16:52:21 <Lakie> TTDPacth and OpenTTD have historically merged one based off electrication however. 16:52:34 <Lakie> merged monorail and maglev 16:56:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: truebrain * r13839 /branches/noai/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 16:56:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: introducing, save/load possibility for AIs. When you define a 16:56:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: Save() function in your AI, the table you 'return' from that function is stored 16:56:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: in the savegame. When loading a savegame, the function Load() is called in your 16:56:28 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: AI, with as only parameter the table you stored. (Yexo) 16:56:29 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: WARNING: you can (and will) receive data of other AIs when someone opens a 16:56:31 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: savegame while he doesn't have the AI used to make the savegame. Your AI might 17:00:19 <Wolf01> your ai might... might what? 17:01:31 <Eddi|zuHause> right... i just wanted to open a spam-account at hotmail, and it wants me to "update my browser" :ÃŒ 17:01:33 <Eddi|zuHause> :p 17:05:40 <Ammler> Wolf01: http://hg.openttd.org:8000/branches/noai.hg/rev/ff06fab6125c 17:06:29 <Wolf01> I know it :P 17:13:21 * peter1138 finishes weeding a metre square patch... 17:14:28 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-141-211.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:36 <peter1138> 17:43 +glx> if the grf provides electric trains, then it can't have monorail and maglev 17:14:46 <peter1138> ^ Also not true with the engine pool stuff... 17:15:51 <Wolf01> i'll be back! 17:15:53 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 17:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it was possible before, just nobody used it because of ttdp 17:16:52 <peter1138> Correct. 17:17:47 <glx> we support 4 types, but most grfs have only 3 17:18:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host107-16-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:19:04 <SmatZ> there is space for 16 rail types in the map array :) 17:19:14 <SmatZ> at least for MP_RAIL 17:19:45 * peter1138 mumbles about his not-yet-available rail type patches also... 17:20:14 <frosch123> and varaction2 variable 'current rail type' is not supported at all 17:20:23 <peter1138> :) 17:20:57 <glx> frosch123: because it's not desync safe 17:21:27 <peter1138> It could be done. 17:21:31 <glx> of course 17:21:36 <frosch123> and it depends on ttdp settings 17:21:46 <peter1138> Only if in a purchase list. 17:21:53 <frosch123> i.e. it does not support 4 rail typs 17:23:24 <plakkertjes> does anybody know where i can get teh default .cfg for openttd? 17:23:38 <frosch123> delete your config file 17:23:39 <glx> openttd -c default.cfg 17:23:44 <plakkertjes> ok, i get frosch 17:23:48 <plakkertjes> =] 17:23:58 <plakkertjes> thanks though glx 17:24:27 <plakkertjes> so you guys make openttd? 17:24:32 <glx> my solution is good to get default values without deleting everythings 17:24:53 <plakkertjes> ye but glx, i dunno what to do with your line 17:24:55 <plakkertjes> command line? 17:24:59 <glx> yes 17:25:07 <plakkertjes> ah well i have already deleted it 17:28:37 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has quit [Quit: The ending changes tone & is actually quite sad - but it involves a scene of necrophilia, so that's just another plus in my book.....] 17:30:10 <plakkertjes> what do i ahve to adjust in patches to get 'no breakdowns' 17:30:11 <plakkertjes> ? 17:30:29 <plakkertjes> NVM 17:30:30 <plakkertjes> :) 17:31:14 <glx> it's not in patches 17:31:51 *** a1270 [~Cheese@24-117-51-112.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:28 <plakkertjes> ye i figured 17:36:29 <plakkertjes> =] 17:36:38 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.231.53] has quit [Quit: ecke] 17:41:04 *** jordi [~jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:30 *** Roujin [~Roujin@p54972F8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:46:50 <Roujin> long time no see :> 17:47:25 <Wolf01> hello Roujin 17:47:53 <Yorick> hello Roujin 17:54:02 <Roujin> not much happening here eh? 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It only activates upon Arctic :( 19:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> there once was a really really old patch that allowed this 19:05:20 *** AAK [~Administr@user-10870k5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 19:06:25 <glx> you can use a grf to have temperate on arctic 19:06:41 <glx> with variable snowline 19:08:04 <Noetloj> Hmm. 19:08:20 <Noetloj> is there a way for me to feature request it to be allowed onto Temperate, at all? 19:09:07 <Noetloj> Having snow capped hills on temperate would be kinda neat :) 19:09:59 <frosch123> play 'alpine' grf. It modifies arctic to look like temperate. however you can hardly combine it with other grfs. 19:10:23 <glx> it works with dbset 19:14:46 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 19:20:19 *** pm [~planetmak@Fcdec.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #openttd 19:22:08 *** Amix [~Michal@131.80-203-43.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: System rebooting] 19:26:03 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host81-153-30-2.range81-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 19:31:52 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:08 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:34:37 <peter1138> Hmm, this 'new' method of placing one-way roads is much harder :o 19:34:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never used one way roads 19:37:00 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7C9C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:28 *** pm [~planetmak@Fcdec.f.ppp-pool.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:30 <peter1138> Well you used to place them on top of roads. Now you have to remove the road first. 19:39:00 <glx> no, use autoroad + oneway 19:39:03 <Eddi|zuHause> which great mind had that idea? 19:39:46 *** Bloody [blood@host-187-89.xdsl.telecet.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:08 *** AAK [~Administr@user-10870k5.cable.mindspring.com] has left #openttd [] 19:41:23 <peter1138> glx, doesn't work properly 19:41:48 <peter1138> Hmm, maybe it's because I'm not the owner. 19:41:53 <peter1138> (The owner is N/A) 19:42:09 <glx> bankrupted company? 19:42:15 <peter1138> Yes. 19:42:48 <peter1138> Requiring autoroad seems odd too. 19:43:59 <peter1138> Yeah, if it's not owned by you, you get a message about road already being there, not 'can't make road one-way cos you're not the owner' 19:50:06 *** [1]plakkertjes [~plakkertj@ip51cc357e.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:30 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-13-46.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 19:52:23 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B8337F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 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[~Ammler@adsl-89-217-13-46.adslplus.ch] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:48 *** Ammler [~Ammler@adsl-89-217-13-46.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 23:07:42 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad3485b.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:34 *** AAK [~Administr@user-10870k5.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:27 <AAK> is there a non-text-editing program that can edit vehicle stats in NFOs? 23:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> grfmaker? 23:13:53 <AAK> though i'm not sure exactly how to use it, when i tried to import nfos, it gives me "out of range" errors 23:14:49 <AAK> actuaslly "Range check error" 23:15:57 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:15:57 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:17:12 *** dih [~dih@dslb-092-074-243-132.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17:46 <AAK> can anyone help me with grfmaker? 23:18:28 <Ammler> maybe grfmaker just doesn't support the GRF 23:19:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-100-10.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:50 <AAK> okay. but if the grf was supported, all i'd have to do is "paste nfo"? 23:19:57 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:13 *** Yexo [~Yexo@ip51cca4b5.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:31:17 <ln> @seen Bjarni! 23:31:17 <DorpsGek> ln: Error: 'Bjarni!' is not a valid nick. 23:31:55 <ln> DorpsGek: don't start discriminating people like that 23:51:14 <ln> Oceanic Airlines 23:52:39 <Eddi|zuHause> flight 815? 23:53:58 <ln> actually i watched a completely different movie with friends tonight, which featured Oceanic Airlines. 23:54:06 <ln> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116253/ 23:54:48 <Eddi|zuHause> there are no coincidences ;) 23:56:34 *** AAK [~Administr@user-10870k5.cable.mindspring.com] has left #openttd [] 23:56:46 <Eddi|zuHause> that plot sounds highly exaggerated... 23:57:45 <ln> hercule poirot was one of the terrorists 23:58:12 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that name does not appear in the cast...