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00:01:36 *** LilDood [~IceChat7@cpc2-bolt5-0-0-cust370.manc.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Quit: We be chillin - IceChat style] 00:02:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:13:57 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738ccad.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:26 *** Quatroking [565a9ffc@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 00:15:39 <Quatroking> hi 00:15:53 <Quatroking> does anyone wants to play on my server 00:16:01 <Quatroking> Quatroworld's OpenTTD Game 00:16:11 <Quatroking> We got cookies. 00:16:22 *** Quatroking [565a9ffc@67.207.141.120] has quit [] 00:19:24 <Sacro> cookies? 00:23:17 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:23:56 <TrueBrain> and I have a stick I want ... 00:23:58 <TrueBrain> oh never mind 00:24:19 <SmatZ> stick? 00:24:26 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 00:24:33 <SmatZ> should I want to know? 00:25:10 <TrueBrain> nope 00:26:00 <TrueBrain> cool, a new version of 'zip' was is in fact more use friendly 00:26:03 <TrueBrain> who would have thought .. 00:26:12 *** `Fuco`` [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:28:21 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 00:30:08 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F610.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:53 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7583C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B748C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:44 *** ijustam [~ija@c-68-51-94-8.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:07 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:54:33 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B859C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 01:30:38 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:52 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has joined #openttd 01:32:58 *** davis-- [~asd@p5B2892A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:40:37 *** davis- [~asd@p5B2885C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:47:20 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 01:49:53 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-2-131-220.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:54:01 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:54:11 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:55:23 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 02:06:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:07:32 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:10:36 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 02:32:02 * davis-- gn 02:32:13 *** davis-- [~asd@p5B2892A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:47 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180067033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:06:38 *** elmex [~elmex@e180065010.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:06:42 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:07:41 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:08:56 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 03:21:52 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:25:33 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.122.117] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:32:12 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 03:32:19 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 03:32:21 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 03:32:25 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 03:32:34 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 03:50:59 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 04:00:48 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 04:06:16 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:07:28 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 04:14:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B839D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:15:56 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:15:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 05:28:56 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-93.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:41:16 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:42:20 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 05:55:17 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:26:00 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 06:32:26 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 06:36:17 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 06:40:29 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 06:42:11 <Celestar> I need a volunteer 06:45:17 <nckomodo> I need a cock in my mouf 06:45:33 <nckomodo> oh holy crap this totally isnt YSN 06:45:42 <nckomodo> serves me right for IRC and smoking 06:55:25 <peter1138> That's disgusting. 06:55:31 <peter1138> You should spell mouth correctly. 06:55:44 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:55:55 <nckomodo> yeah I'm sorry, I'm not at the peak of typing prowess right now 06:56:52 <nckomodo> typing with a cigarette in one hand is ahrd work 06:56:55 <nckomodo> hard* 07:01:42 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 07:05:16 <Celestar> Who wants to overhaul the cargodest wiki? 07:05:28 <Celestar> it's grown and grown and is now a total mess. 07:07:01 <peter1138> Not me, I'm fiddling with http://kolls.net/rwwiki/index.php?title=Rail_World at the moment. 07:09:07 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:09:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 07:09:46 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 07:11:20 <eekee> Secure Connection Failed -- secure.openttd.org uses an invalid security certificate. 07:11:25 <Wolf01> hello 07:11:32 <eekee> hello 07:17:35 <Celestar> oh no I pressed CTRL+G 07:25:15 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 07:25:35 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:26:15 <peter1138> Uh, what the hell. 07:36:26 <eekee> *shrug* 07:36:53 <peter1138> Hmm? 07:38:12 <eekee> I assume your "What the hell" was pertains to my comment about the invalid server certificate? 07:38:58 <peter1138> No. 07:39:39 <peter1138> http://www.cacert.org/ 07:39:47 <peter1138> See that to resolve your issue. 07:40:00 <eekee> okay 07:41:32 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DBD1.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:42:25 <eekee> nothing about troubleshooting, and their own certificate has an unknown issuer. I suppose I could add it as an exception, it seems better than nothing 07:46:29 <peter1138> You need to install their root certificate. 07:46:40 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:47:20 <eekee> oh I see 07:53:08 <peter1138> Rubidium, I'm getting crashes on exit during saving of the config :o 07:54:35 <peter1138> Possibly not helped by Celestar making a mess of savegame changes... 08:06:51 <peter1138> Hmm, seems okay with a fresh config, but... 08:12:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F6A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:13:24 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8e8.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:16:57 <peter1138> Hmm 08:17:37 * peter1138 sees no reason for it, but new IniGroup() is failing. 08:18:20 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 08:18:26 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has left #openttd [] 08:18:40 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 08:19:34 * peter1138 takes the sensible option and puts the kettle on. 08:19:39 <Rubidium> peter1138: where is it failing? (i.e. what line's calling it) 08:19:46 <peter1138> ini.cpp:105 08:20:01 <peter1138> name is "rn.road_penalty_factor", len is 2 08:20:34 <Rubidium> for a group? 08:20:46 <Rubidium> that's very odd 08:20:57 <peter1138> That's how it works. 08:21:07 <peter1138> I thought you'd written some of this :o 08:21:23 <peter1138> src:settings.cpp:505 08:22:25 <Rubidium> oh... rn is a group? Clear naming I'd say 08:23:42 <Rubidium> can you give me your openttd.cfg? 08:24:22 <peter1138> Like "pf" is a group too ;) 08:24:49 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:25:17 <peter1138> Rubidium, http://svn.bucks.net/~petern/openttd.cfg 08:25:48 <Rubidium> gives a nice 403 08:25:52 <peter1138> :o 08:26:10 <peter1138> Try now. 08:26:55 <Rubidium> that worked 08:29:33 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F610.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:29:46 <fjb> Hello 08:37:19 <eekee> EHLO 08:45:13 <yorick> LOEH 08:47:23 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:49:53 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7DD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14257 /trunk/src/ini.cpp: -Fix (r14153): incorrect update of ini-file group tail pointer causing memory corruption. 08:55:16 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:30 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 09:10:58 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 09:14:33 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 09:14:53 *** davis- [~asd@p5B2892A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:20:33 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:24:11 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:24:54 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 09:30:02 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176254116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:38:34 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:10 <peter1138> Thanks Rubidium :) 09:56:48 <rortom> hi all 09:57:09 <rortom> what does the "noise generated X" thing mean in the nightlies? 09:57:25 <rortom> upon station building? 09:57:40 <hylje> people don't like noise 09:58:05 <SpComb> some new local authority thing? 10:00:12 <peter1138> Airport noise. 10:07:28 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 10:12:11 <rortom> mh, what does noise affect? 10:23:12 *** celtic_cross [grgggg@dsl-lhtbrasgw1-fe21dc00-40.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [] 10:24:35 <Vikthor> rortom: the airport type you can build 10:24:48 <rortom> ah, that explains 10:24:52 <rortom> thanks 10:28:10 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485BFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:32:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F610.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:44 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 10:38:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd917.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 10:45:41 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:46:25 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.226] has joined #openttd 10:46:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 10:52:44 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:54:22 *** fjb [~frank@p5485BFFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 11:12:34 <el_En> Ñ ÐµÐ»Ð»ÐŸ 11:12:58 <Rubidium> and now in English? 11:13:05 <el_En> it is english 11:13:28 <Rubidium> no, it's Cyrilic 11:13:46 <frosch123> chello ? 11:13:57 <frosch123> is that something for musicians? 11:14:19 <Rubidium> that's a cello 11:15:44 <frosch123> ÑеллП ? 11:23:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14258 /trunk/src/ (12 files): 11:23:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: rework the way to query the vehicle hash to make sure it always results in the same irregardless of the order of the hash-linked-list. 11:23:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix: desync in PBS reservation following, vehicle flooding and road vehicle overtake/follow code. 11:25:36 <peter1138> Back portable? :o 11:27:35 <Rubidium> with quite some effort it should be 11:27:41 <Rubidium> doesn't change the map format 11:35:33 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37E14C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:48 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37E14C.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 11:36:14 <Rubidium> though imo the waypoint issue should be fixed too 11:36:28 <Rubidium> before releasing 0.6.3 11:38:33 <Rubidium> but I'm still not having a single clue on the cause of the issue 11:40:41 <peter1138> Indeed. 11:40:53 <peter1138> Any reports of it in trunK/ 11:43:54 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 11:44:40 <Rubidium> not that I know of 11:45:05 <Rubidium> hmm... many many conflicts in backporting 14258 11:53:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F6A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:54:03 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14259 /branches/0.6/src/ (10 files): 11:54:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 11:54:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: desync due to randomly ordered vehicle hash by flooding and road vehicle overtake/following (r14258) 11:55:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14260 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#2277]: merge keycode for "normal" 0-9 keys and keypad 0-9 keys so people don't get confused that the keypad doesn't work as expected. 11:56:30 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 11:56:54 <Alberth> peter1138: Just reported a problem with cargodest in the Cargodest forum thread. Should I also create a link to the post at the Wiki? 12:18:28 *** Hassan [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:19:12 <Hassan> Could someone here tell me when the nighly's can be downloaded again? Or is it possible to download the latest nightly somewhere else? 12:19:34 <Hassan> I am have trouble to connect to nightlys.openttd.org (or something like that) 12:19:45 <Hassan> *nightly.openttd.org 12:19:56 <Rubidium> have you read the notice at the top of the page? 12:20:02 <FauxFaux> It appears to be down for me, too. 12:20:19 <Hassan> Compile board is also down... 12:20:29 <Hassan> So Rubidium to answer your question, yes I did 12:20:49 <Rubidium> oh... it's sunday again I reckon 12:20:55 * Rubidium slaps that hungarian library 12:21:09 <Hassan> I searched the forums for a message, but nobody else has submitted the problem... 12:21:36 <Hassan> Do you have a "back-up" link for me Rubidium? :) 12:21:46 <Rubidium> retry :) 12:21:52 <Hassan> Great! :D 12:22:14 <Hassan> Never would have thought I was the first to notice :p 12:22:41 <Hassan> Lets get it :P Cya... 12:22:43 *** Hassan [~Hassan@s559031d6.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [] 12:26:59 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-143-117.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:28:31 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:29:03 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:10 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #openttd [icebears... take care of them!] 12:31:43 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:36:22 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:01 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:53:13 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:53:39 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:54:44 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 12:55:01 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:05:05 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 13:05:40 <TrueBrain> lalala 13:05:44 <Gekz> la 13:05:50 <Gekz> \_x< 13:15:41 <davis-> fishheads fishheads 13:16:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 13:16:41 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 13:17:57 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 13:25:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r14261 /trunk/ (Makefile.src.in findversion.sh): 13:25:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Change [Makefile]: Move the revision detection code from Makefile.src.in to a 13:25:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: new bash script findversion.sh. This commit should have no functional changes. 13:28:31 <yorick> blathijs == matthijs? 13:30:58 <murray> can i ask, how do you detect a commit event on svn? 13:31:03 <murray> like you're doing there 13:31:29 <TrueBrain> murray: post-commit hook of subversion 13:32:11 <murray> aha 13:32:14 <murray> thanks, looking that up 13:36:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: matthijs * r14262 /trunk/Makefile.bundle.in: 13:36:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature [Makefile]: Let Makefile.bundle.in also use the new findversion.sh 13:36:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: script. This enables revision detection for bundles for git and hg checkouts. 13:36:32 <blathijs> yorick: yes 13:36:45 <yorick> ok, I was looking for you 13:44:28 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 13:44:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:48:11 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm75.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 13:55:03 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:59:30 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:04:22 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.122.117] has joined #openttd 14:13:06 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:28:56 *** qkr [qkr@a91-153-49-185.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:30:13 <qkr> hi 14:36:00 <el_En> http://bp0.blogger.com/_Fa-NqGm0-Lk/SH9EuHM3npI/AAAAAAAAFBo/2t85mVN5AtI/s1600-h/patriotism.jpg 14:37:57 <peter1138> Oh, missed Celestar :o 14:38:50 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/82884 <-- that's a patch that replaces my_cmd with a clientid 14:39:02 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-93.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 14:42:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:43:33 <peter1138> What does that fix? 14:44:05 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 14:44:37 <yorick> the inability to know which client did a command in a coop game? 14:45:51 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:47:06 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 14:47:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:48:20 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B581A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:31 <sulai> hey guys =) 14:48:37 <yorick> hello 14:55:57 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 14:56:21 <sulai> is there a posibility to slow down the game, say to 3 FPS? 14:56:42 <yorick> if you patch source.. 14:56:45 <FauxFaux> Hold ctrl+print screen. 14:56:58 <sulai> hehe yeah nice idea FauxFaux 14:57:04 <FauxFaux> *ctrl+g 14:57:58 <Prof_Frink> sulai: Run it on a 386? 14:58:05 <sulai> ctrl+print screen works perfectly, thanx =) 15:00:03 <yorick> be careful, it erases the clipboard :-p 15:00:56 <sulai> ^^ 15:01:04 <SmatZ> 8-) @ sulai 15:01:19 <SmatZ> like all those speed optimizations are contraproductive 15:01:35 <SmatZ> there are always unhappy plyers :) 15:01:39 <sulai> hehe 15:01:53 <sulai> I like it like the old days =D 15:06:52 *** Dr_AFKyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0D987.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:34 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EEC4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:13:44 *** Swallow__ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:13:45 *** Swallow__ is now known as Swallow 15:16:22 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81C8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:03 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83DDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 15:19:18 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:20:36 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 15:21:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [] 15:27:23 <planetmaker> Hm... How can I achieve that FOR_ALL_PLAYERS(p) works for more than one following line of code? 15:27:39 <planetmaker> like FOR_ALL_PLAYERS(p) { line1; line2; ... } 15:27:41 <planetmaker> ? 15:27:51 <peter1138> ... 15:27:58 <peter1138> Like that? 15:29:09 *** Yeggs-away is now known as Yeggstry 15:29:27 <yorick> planetmaker: try grepping it 15:29:43 <planetmaker> well, yeah... 15:30:11 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 15:30:37 <yorick> FOR_ALL_PLAYERS(p) {line1; 15:30:40 <yorick> line2; 15:30:42 <yorick> } 15:31:11 <peter1138> Hey Celestar. 15:31:25 <Celestar> hey peter1138 (= 15:31:26 <planetmaker> Thx peter1138, yorick 15:31:28 <Celestar> how is it? 15:31:30 <planetmaker> Hey Celestar 15:31:42 <peter1138> Fancy a pull? I fixed the saveload code to work properly... 15:33:03 <Celestar> peter1138: pull from where? 15:33:55 <peter1138> Hmm, it would be on hg.openttd.org if that would automatically restart :o 15:34:35 <peter1138> So... http://217.151.109.167:8000/ 15:34:40 <Celestar> it reloads every few minutes 15:34:42 <peter1138> Might still work, heh... 15:35:09 <peter1138> It fixes the dodgy syncs so that trunk savegames load. Previous cargodest games won't, of course. 15:35:31 <Celestar> yeah. but we currently need the previous cargodest games for testing :( 15:37:15 <peter1138> Oh well. 15:37:22 <Celestar> especially for the debugging 15:37:24 <peter1138> I couldn't test my recent trunk game either :p 15:37:27 <Celestar> :P 15:39:25 <rortom> hi 15:39:27 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:39:38 <rortom> train replacement is somehow buggy for special trains 15:39:41 <rortom> means 15:39:56 <rortom> replace ICE-1 with ICE-3 = "STOP" wagons 15:40:16 <peter1138> That's the fault of the GRF. The solution is to not do that. 15:40:29 <rortom> yes :p 15:40:40 <rortom> can the grf determine how to replace stuff? 15:41:11 <frosch123> rortom: you can also manually start those "STOP" trains 15:41:45 <Celestar> rortom: the problem is simple: ICE-1 are dual heads. You prolly have a ICE-1 with 14 carriages. You replace it by an ICE3 (single head), so you end up with 1+14 = 15 units, which is one too few. Correct solution would be to have the reverse thing of the "Car Removal" feature. 15:41:45 <frosch123> grfs can disallow trains to be started with certain conditions, and autoreplace would also pay attention to that, but dbxsl does not as it is too old 15:42:04 <Celestar> like "Car Add" feature 15:43:03 <Ammler> Celestar: new cargo patch improved around 10-20% 15:43:24 <Ammler> (is that possible?) 15:44:41 <Celestar> Ammler: yes, 15:44:47 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 15:44:50 <Celestar> Ammler: you mean 10% or 10 percentage points. 15:45:52 <Ammler> cpu load is very floating, but my guess is around drop from 40 to 30% 15:46:20 <Celestar> that's a 25% drop (= 15:47:25 <Celestar> rortom: you can now hope that someone codes that feature :P 15:47:28 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-151-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:51 <rortom> Celestar, yes :) 15:48:10 <rortom> im busy with coding on RoR :| 15:48:29 <el_En> ur apostrophe is missing 15:48:33 <frosch123> naa, everything will work with dbset 0.9 :) 15:49:15 <Celestar> frosch123: will it? 15:49:19 <Celestar> frosch123: auto-add wagons? 15:49:29 <Ammler> well, you could also make the length of IC1/2 the length, you can later upgrade 15:49:55 <frosch123> no, but it will stop autoreplace to create trains with "stop" wagons 15:49:56 <Celestar> Ammler: not really, because then the ICE1 would be 17 tiles in length 15:50:17 <Ammler> no 15:50:25 <Ammler> you can remvoe waggons 15:50:35 <Ammler> hmm 15:50:37 <Celestar> we don't need to remove, we need to ADD 15:50:38 <Celestar> (= 15:50:49 <frosch123> but despite of that dbset 0.9 will include everything you can imagine (also dnf) 15:51:18 <Celestar> when is it going to be released? 15:51:27 <Celestar> and will it feature anything usable pre-1920? 15:51:33 <frosch123> shortly after ottd 1.0 15:51:42 <Ammler> :-P 15:52:13 <rortom> ;) 15:52:16 <Celestar> well, let's finish cargodest, newgrf_ports infrastructure sharing, opengfx and 32bpp, and we can release 1.0, can we not? (= 15:52:47 *** qkr [qkr@a91-153-49-185.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 15:53:39 <Ammler> frosch123: we should found a fan club around MB, I am sure Eddi|zuHause would also participate ;-) 15:53:51 <Celestar> Ammler: long story short, my stuff I added yesterday, you say they lower CPU load considerable? 15:54:04 <frosch123> according to mb we already have a club 15:54:50 <frosch123> btw. in fact I have a newgrf that identifies as dbset 0.9 :) 15:54:59 <Celestar> hm? 15:55:02 <Celestar> alpha version? 15:55:33 <Ammler> Celestar: I think so, but I didn't do much with 15:55:51 <frosch123> I cannot remember where I got it, I guess mb posted an example for some newgrf newbie somewhere... but it contains only a single engine which you cannot attach anything to 15:56:07 <Celestar> Ammler: if you say it appears to go down from 40% to 30%, that's perfectly enough for me (= 15:56:10 <Ammler> if TrueBrain could trigger the compile farm, we can ask those, which have more problems with the load... 15:56:30 <Celestar> Ammler: there's one more fix under way (= 15:58:00 <FauxFaux> We were talking about increasing the max clients/companies the other day, did anyone look into that, or can anyone remember who said they had a patch wrt. smallvector. Was it peter1138? 15:58:46 * Celestar shakes his head in utter disbelief 16:00:00 <Celestar> Ok people take an old version of cargodest, add some more custom patches to it, RANT about a problem on the forum, even though I specifically ask not to write bug reports there, don't produce a savegame of the problem (which I couldn't debug anyway because of the custom patches) and then expect me to solve the problem? 16:00:59 <Ammler> and you did :P 16:01:07 <Celestar> Wan-To? 16:01:20 <Celestar> no I didn't fix his problem, because I don't understand it in the first place 16:01:48 <Celestar> is there a way to force a revision without having recompile the whole source base? 16:02:20 <yorick> Celestar: try changing rev.cpp 16:02:55 <yorick> or the Makefile 16:03:02 <Celestar> k 16:03:28 <FauxFaux> http://rafb.net/p/Pvjayr68.html (1 line patch against trunk HEAD) fixes the newgrf.cpp warning in VS2008. 16:03:50 * Celestar pats FauxFaux for using rafb instead of the dreadful pastebin 16:04:21 *** qkr [qkr@a91-153-49-185.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:04:22 <FauxFaux> Um, actually, that's a bad patch, ignore it. ¬_¬ 16:04:40 <Celestar> heh. 16:04:42 <qkr> any expert want to give some tips for a beginner? 16:04:44 <Celestar> I didn't look at it :P 16:04:52 <Celestar> qkr: beginnin in what? playing or coding? 16:05:02 <qkr> playing 16:05:07 <FauxFaux> http://rafb.net/p/d4GjDd46.html is the same without using any msvs extensions. :) 16:05:09 <Celestar> oh 16:05:35 <Celestar> qkr: what do you need help with and did you find the online manual? 16:06:01 <qkr> I'm not total beginner, intermediate I guess...I need help with understanding signals, and load balancers and that stuff 16:06:07 <Celestar> oh 16:06:08 <FauxFaux> To the wiki! 16:06:29 <Celestar> for signalling, use this: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/YAPP 16:06:30 <Celestar> (= 16:06:33 <Celestar> qkr: er wait. 16:06:46 <Celestar> qkr: nightly, source or release? 16:07:06 <qkr> release 16:07:24 <Celestar> oh then forget that link, it's no in release yet 16:07:32 *** yorick is now known as Guest5760 16:07:33 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:51 <Celestar> qkr: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Signals (= 16:08:16 <KillaloT> When has Signal GUI been released? 16:08:19 <KillaloT> :D 16:08:45 <Celestar> 0.6.0? 16:08:46 <KillaloT> I'm on version 0.6.1 16:09:16 <Celestar> it reads 0.6.0 on the wiki 16:09:48 <yorick> KillaloT: you need to enable it at patches 16:09:55 <KillaloT> .. yea, i just read that 16:10:53 <KillaloT> .. but i got no openttd.cfg :S 16:12:04 <Ammler> yorick: advanced settins :P 16:12:37 *** Guest5760 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:37 <Ammler> frosch123: did you commit it? 16:13:25 <qkr> I know how to use basic presignals like when entering a station with multiple tracks, I just need to understand how to use them backwards in priority / load balancer...I already read about it on the openttdcoop wiki 16:13:45 <Alberth> KillaloT: 'configure patches', 'construction', last on/off entry (4th from the bottom or so) 16:14:36 <Ammler> qkr: there is another guide from uwe 16:15:35 <qkr> where? 16:16:20 <Celestar> TrueBrain: are you around? 16:16:32 <Ammler> qkr: http://uwe.s2000.ws/ttdx/signal/index.php?lang=en 16:16:48 *** yorick is now known as Guest5761 16:16:49 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:52 * Celestar hates the cargodest wiki 16:18:37 *** Guest5761 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:18:50 <Ammler> quite large 16:19:40 <Celestar> yeah :( 16:20:16 <qkr> thanks 16:20:20 <Celestar> ROFLMAO 16:20:22 <frosch123> Ammler: no, I did not manage to do anything useful this weekend 16:20:50 <Celestar> I was just editing a screenshot of openttd in gimp. To save, I tried using openttd's save button on the screen about a hundred times, wondering why it doesn't work and cursing gimp 16:20:59 <SmatZ> Celestar: http://www.linux-france.org/prj/jargonf/fig/ROFLMAO.jpg ? 16:21:07 <SmatZ> :-D 16:21:56 <Ammler> that is a nice one, well, screenshots of ottd are dangerous 16:22:01 <Celestar> yeah 16:22:04 <Celestar> they NEVER work 16:22:05 <Celestar> somehow 16:22:06 <Forked> I usually try to zoom out 16:22:14 <Ammler> or x 16:22:21 <Forked> (or in, depending on the screenshot) 16:22:25 <Forked> that one too :) 16:23:01 <Celestar> heh 16:23:02 <Celestar> yeah 16:23:05 <Ammler> FR for screenshots 16:23:09 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14263 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt signs_gui.cpp): -Codechange: give a better error message when removing a sign fails 16:23:16 <Ammler> somewhere the revision would be nice 16:23:47 <Celestar> hg diff | grep ^- | wc -l ; hg diff | grep ^+ | wc -l 16:23:47 <Celestar> 387 16:23:47 <Celestar> 299 16:23:51 <Celestar> 100 fewer lines (= 16:24:39 <Celestar> and producing more readable code :P 16:25:44 <Celestar> polymorphism is cool 16:25:46 <Ammler> what is the difference between " ; " and && in bash? 16:25:57 <Celestar> Ammler: ; just separates two statements 16:26:06 <SmatZ> Ammler: as in C 16:26:19 <Celestar> expr1 && expr2 executes expr2 only if expr1 returned 0 :P 16:26:30 <Celestar> or the short story: as in C 16:28:19 <Ammler> Celestar: thx. 16:29:12 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:17 <Celestar> g2g 16:30:17 <Celestar> cu 16:30:20 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:30:24 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:46:09 <qkr> is there any way to stop trains from getting old? 16:46:38 <tokai> afaik there was a patch option for this 16:46:56 <Ammler> if you mean with "getting old" unavailable, yes. 16:47:19 <qkr> no, I mean I have to replace my old trains 16:47:37 <tokai> couldn't u disable breakdowns? 16:47:49 <qkr> yes 16:47:55 <tokai> didn't played for ages.. dunno how this options are called these days:) 17:00:39 <ecke> Ammler ....could you make wwottdgd version for normal use (creating companies) ... for win32, linux? 17:01:03 <ecke> we again play TiPP version its bugy... 17:01:22 <ecke> 3 times we play 3 times was game finished by error 17:01:23 <Ammler> ecke: planetmaker was the wwottdgd developer :-) 17:01:32 <ecke> ok 17:01:52 <ecke> planetmaker ....could you make wwottdgd version for normal use (creating companies) ... for win32, linux? ^^^ 17:02:11 <Ammler> :-) 17:02:12 <planetmaker> uh... that's an aweful lot of work 17:02:36 <Ammler> planetmaker: wasn't the company thing just setting? 17:02:52 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:56 <planetmaker> I think the problem is the join as spectator thingy. 17:03:03 <planetmaker> But not sure anymore 17:03:27 <Ammler> if you use the client version as server? 17:03:36 <planetmaker> I think ecke tried that :P 17:04:06 <Ammler> yep, I did only publish the client versions on the wiki 17:04:16 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 17:04:23 <ecke> i used win32 version which is on wiki... 17:04:42 <qkr> what are the minimum system requirements for openttd? are they listed on the wiki somewhere? 17:04:46 <ecke> ... i used it as dedicated win32 server... nobodz can create companz 17:05:18 *** jni [~geetee@cs181040004.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 17:05:33 <planetmaker> As I said: make a map where already companies are present... 17:05:58 <Sacro> ecke: y -> ies 17:06:12 <yorick> or use the patch I created somewhere on flyspray to create companies 17:06:14 <Sacro> not z 17:06:34 <planetmaker> yorick: if he could compile, things were easy, I guess :) 17:06:41 <ecke> i am switching keyboard ... sry for "z" 17:06:47 <yorick> :-p 17:06:55 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm75.epsilon120.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:09:19 <ecke> planetmaker .. yes... but i dont have version which with can i create save with companies 17:09:39 <planetmaker> ecke: you tried OpenTTD 0.6.1? 17:09:45 <ecke> yes 17:09:49 <ecke> doesnt work 17:09:52 <planetmaker> hm... 0.6.0? 17:10:07 <Prof_Frink> 0.0.1? 17:10:16 <planetmaker> I really wonder, because the map was created with a trunk version of that time. 17:11:36 <planetmaker> Prof_Frink: if you can do that, that's worth an extra cookie :) 17:11:38 <ecke> ok i could try once again... 17:12:27 <planetmaker> sorry, but changing this patch pack - especially as it's now thoroughly outdated - is far from anything I consider fun. 17:12:49 <planetmaker> Besides, I cannot compile windows binaries. 17:13:10 <planetmaker> And changing anything would then still require you to obtain that binary. 17:13:30 <planetmaker> And AFAIK I understood you, you're mostly interested in the infrastructure sharing - or? 17:14:06 <ecke> yes ... i like IS ... i am finding some "stable" version for online play 17:15:20 <TrueBrain> I wish people would leave why they wanted to talk to you ... oh well :) 17:15:32 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:44 <glx> FauxFaux: the right fix is !=(anyway peter1138 said it's not the proper solution) 17:19:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-28-188.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:03 <FauxFaux> glx: Yes. (/me reinstates the "no coding on sunday" rule). 17:21:49 <FR^2> FauxFaux: *gg* 17:22:01 <FR^2> FauxFaux: At work, we don't deploy on fridays ;) 17:22:42 <FauxFaux> We don't do features on friday. :) 17:23:58 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:26:15 <planetmaker> ecke: but if IS is what you want, you just need one person who compiles a binary with the IS patch. 17:26:51 * yorick raises hand... 17:27:45 <peter1138> OpenTTD -e r14263 17:27:47 <peter1138> Who did that? 17:28:09 <yorick> I suspect TB 17:29:08 <peter1138> No. 17:29:13 <peter1138> blathijs, /bin/sh is not bash. 17:29:21 <peter1138> echo -e is a bashism. 17:29:29 <yorick> trademark: my suspections are usually wrong 17:29:32 <Rubidium> peter1138: using dash, aren't you? 17:29:44 <peter1138> I'm using not-bash. 17:30:08 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:30:14 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179221177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:30:22 <peter1138> Actually, my shell is bash, but my /bin/sh is not. 17:30:52 <yorick> mine is 17:30:58 <yorick> try /bin/bash then 17:31:13 <SmatZ> peter1138: http://paste.openttd.org/83155 suggested by TrueBrain, but nobody has commited it yet ... 17:31:19 <SmatZ> replaces \t by real tab 17:31:22 <peter1138> Quite. 17:31:58 <peter1138> And does that not work anywhere? 17:32:07 <Rubidium> yorick: yes, if you want it to not work on Windows you should use /bin/bash :) 17:32:20 <yorick> I have a /bin/bash... 17:32:25 <SmatZ> peter1138: seems to work on my system, and with dash 17:33:43 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: while at it, replace the ifs without [] too ;) 17:34:05 <peter1138> (Why did we need a new shell script, anyway?) 17:34:26 <TrueBrain> peter1138: revision checks were done in 2 places now (copy/paste is BAD!) 17:34:32 <TrueBrain> and debian needed one, which ment the 3rd place 17:34:34 <glx> to not duplicate the detection 17:34:37 <yorick> because hg and git revision bundles were broken 17:34:39 <TrueBrain> this .. reduces problems in the future ;) 17:34:48 <SmatZ> and with sunos's sh, surprisingly :) 17:37:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e176254116.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:39 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:40:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14264 /trunk/findversion.sh: -Fix (r14261): 'echo -e' is not recognized on many systems 17:43:34 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 17:45:45 *** Kasceh [~Kasc@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust124.leed.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:54 <Kasceh> Is there a maglev train set for ESC? 17:46:46 <Eddi|zuHause> you mean except the one that refits the old wagons? 17:47:01 <Eddi|zuHause> "old wagons, new cargo" i think it is called. 17:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> most newgrf sets have only "express" goods via maglev (mail, goods, valuables) 17:47:34 <Kasceh> alright, thanks 17:49:06 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:39 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 17:52:04 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 17:53:39 * peter1138 ponders the waypoint desync. 17:54:08 <NukeBuster> at what time does the nightly compile? 17:54:27 <peter1138> In about 6 minutes. 17:54:33 <Rubidium> 2000 CE[S]T (S depending on summer/winter time in Amsterdam) 17:54:35 <NukeBuster> ok, thanks :) 17:55:19 <peter1138> I can't reproduce it just playing with waypoints :( 17:57:03 <glx> Rubidium: isn't it Budapest indeed ? 17:57:43 <Rubidium> glx: not for long 17:57:46 *** yorick is now known as Guest5775 17:57:47 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:57:58 <glx> the new server is not in UTC? 17:58:11 <Eddi|zuHause> [Sa 6. Sep 2008] [16:42:15] <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: are you around? <- no, i'm away over the weekend :p 17:58:23 <Rubidium> the server uses UTC, but that doesn't mean compiles need to follow that 17:58:34 <glx> ok 17:58:34 <SmatZ> peter1138: many brave devs have failed trying to reproduce that... 17:58:47 <peter1138> SmatZ, I've had it myself in a game :( 17:59:22 <Kasceh> Ugh blind, wheres the option to turn off breakdowns again, i cant find it in vechicles :x 17:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a difficulty setting 17:59:44 <Rubidium> TZ="CET-1CEST,M3.5.0,M10.5.0/3" date -d "$year-$month-$day 20:00" +"%Y-%m-%d %H:%M %z" <- for the exact time at a given date with offset from UTC 17:59:53 <Kasceh> oh, haha, thanks 18:01:37 *** Guest5775 [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:10 <SmatZ> peter1138: DeleteWaypoint() 18:10:20 <SmatZ> it doesn't use ovelroaded delete operator 18:10:24 <SmatZ> for some weird reason 18:10:34 <SmatZ> so Tpool->UpdateFirstFreeIndex(pn->index); is not called 18:11:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:19 <peter1138> Hmm 18:12:42 <Rubidium> SmatZ: http://rbijker.net/openttd/you_mean_this_fixes_it.diff ? 18:13:33 <SmatZ> Rubidium: yeah :) 18:13:58 <peter1138> What 18:14:02 <peter1138> wp->~Waypoint() 18:14:11 <peter1138> What the hell? :P 18:14:32 <SmatZ> hehe 18:15:26 <peter1138> So it's still there in trunk. 18:16:02 <SmatZ> yeah, just reproduced :) 18:16:53 <peter1138> I was looking in the .cpps :( 18:17:07 * Brianetta materialises 18:17:12 <Brianetta> Waypoint desyncs? 18:17:12 <peter1138> 0.6.3 soon? 18:17:22 <Brianetta> I thought my radar was faulty 18:17:26 <SmatZ> http://rbijker.net/openttd/you_mean_this_fixes_it.diff fixes it 18:17:37 <Rubidium> SmatZ: go commit it then! 18:17:39 <peter1138> Yes, your server desynced and kicked me off and then autocleaned me :( 18:17:41 * SmatZ svn blames :) 18:17:52 <SmatZ> ok Rubidium :) 18:17:56 <Brianetta> peter1138: Ooof. Passwords. 18:18:00 * Rubidium figures it was me :) 18:18:22 <Brianetta> peter1138: Waypoints aside, have there been any other desyncs? 18:18:35 <SmatZ> ok no problem Rubidium :-) 18:18:42 <peter1138> No, but... I admit I stopped playing when my company'd gone. 18:19:25 <Rubidium> has been a bad day for desyncs :) 18:19:39 <Brianetta> Sorry about that. Rule #1 fora while has been to password your company. 18:19:50 <Brianetta> We had a problem with a nocturnal vandal 18:20:03 <Brianetta> who would join some rich company and spoil the map 18:20:36 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 18:20:40 <peter1138> Of course, I removed the passwords when I uploaded my config earlier... 18:20:58 <Brianetta> these things conspire 18:21:02 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B581A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:21:36 <NukeBuster> I still have a nice 3 line patch lying around for that ;) 18:22:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14265 /trunk/src/ (waypoint.cpp waypoint.h): -Fix (r10750): desyncs after deleting a waypoint because of explicit destructor call instead of using operator delete 18:22:14 <Sacro> if(Player.Password.Length == 0) Player.Kick(); 18:23:10 <Prof_Frink> if(Player.Name == "Sacro") Player.SetFireTo(); 18:25:27 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:26:47 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:04 <peter1138> Once that's backported we ought to run a test. 18:27:41 <Sacro> 0.6.3RC1? 18:27:42 <peter1138> Like, say, on Brianetta's server ;) 18:28:18 <Brianetta> (: 18:28:23 <Noldo> couldn't the dedicated server run openttd servers for dev purposes? 18:28:40 <Brianetta> Noldo: Of course it could. You're totally missing the point, I think. 18:28:45 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bacd8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:28:53 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bacd8a.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 18:29:19 <Sacro> can anyone recommend some way of viewing the working memory of an application? 18:29:21 * Brianetta is still deeply suspicious of trams 18:29:34 <Brianetta> Sacro: Attach a debugger to it, and ask it to show you 18:30:00 <Sacro> Brianetta: I don't have debugging symbols :() 18:30:01 <Brianetta> This is how I used to jot down player passwords before somebody decided to hash tjem all (: 18:30:10 <Brianetta> You don't need symbols 18:30:17 <Brianetta> You just want to view memory 18:30:24 <Sacro> recommend me an application :) 18:30:32 <Brianetta> gdb is the one I have 18:30:56 <Sacro> i need a gui :( 18:31:07 <Brianetta> I don't know anything else 18:31:12 <Noldo> Sacro: ddd 18:31:28 <Sacro> Noldo: looks sweet 18:31:43 <Sacro> grr, no exe 18:31:52 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:32:11 <Sacro> only i686-pc-gnu :( 18:32:11 <peter1138> Brianetta, there's already been a possible road vehicle desync fix. 18:32:17 <Brianetta> GNU distribute software as sauce 18:32:32 <Brianetta> peter1138: Cool. What about stuck trams? 18:33:36 <peter1138> That I don't know. 18:36:58 *** michi_cc [0250cef52a@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:22 *** michi_cc [94a8afb8a5@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:37:22 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 18:40:27 <peter1138> SmatZ, are you backporting it? 18:43:47 <SmatZ> peter1138: it will be backported, but I think more patches are usually backported at once 18:44:27 <Rubidium> it isn't required to do multiple of them a commit 18:44:39 <peter1138> See r14259 ;) 18:45:16 <SmatZ> :-) 18:45:30 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 18:52:58 *** michi_cc [94a8afb8a5@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:53:30 *** michi_cc [fd8a163184@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 18:53:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 18:55:16 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B581A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:56:05 <sulai> hey 18:56:46 <sulai> I just finished my newest patch =) 18:56:54 <sulai> safer level crossings ;) 18:56:56 <sulai> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39469 18:58:29 <sulai> trains stop for road vehicles :) 19:01:03 <yorick> cant sublicense openttd binaries :( 19:01:47 <Noldo> sublicence? 19:02:09 <yorick> I want to stop others from using a patch made my me, claiming it's theirs 19:02:36 <dih> yorick, funny - i know that somehow 19:02:41 <dih> but it's impossible ;-) 19:02:48 <dih> you could take them to court of course 19:03:02 <dih> making it the first time gpl get's its chance to be tried 19:03:23 <yorick> dih: . . . it only shares 2 lines and the idea :-p 19:03:43 <TrueBrain> more chance you win in court on the 'idea' part than on the '2 lines' 19:04:04 <yorick> he didn't patent it 19:04:22 <dih> anyway - you know, patching is about supporting a project, not bringing ones name into the center of discussion 19:04:46 <dih> you bring your name into discussion quite well without patching :-D 19:04:58 <yorick> not it you know it won't make it into the project 19:05:25 <TrueBrain> so when it is added to the project, we should forget who did it 19:05:29 <TrueBrain> and when it isn't added, we should remember? 19:05:32 * TrueBrain now feels sad :( 19:05:58 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: shall we unmerge all features and bugfixes written by us? 19:06:07 <hylje> NewEverything (thanks anonymous) 19:06:09 <TrueBrain> yeah .. I want my name attached to all of them! 19:06:27 <TrueBrain> oh, lets add it in comments at every function we added/modified! :) 19:06:34 <dih> lol hylje 19:06:42 <yorick> TB: commit logs should be enough :) 19:06:50 <sulai> ever heard of "annotation" 19:06:54 <hylje> blame 19:06:58 <TrueBrain> Rubidium forgets more than often to credit me when I pointed him to a bug/problem 19:07:02 <sulai> yep... blame ;) 19:07:03 <TrueBrain> so I insist that he reverts all of them! 19:07:06 <dih> which is only useable until the repository changes 19:07:07 <TrueBrain> he is stealing my ideas :( 19:07:08 <dih> dies 19:07:10 <dih> crashes 19:07:17 <dih> and needs setting up from 'scratch' 19:07:59 <dih> (which has happened before) 19:08:13 <TrueBrain> dih: chances of that ever happening again are close to 0 19:08:32 <Noldo> there are backups? 19:08:34 <yorick> the same idiot who stole the passwords also stole the maps and patches 19:08:34 <TrueBrain> not only is the official SVN mirrored over several places, many people hav ea svk checkout, and also many have hg and git checkouts 19:08:50 <TrueBrain> either one enough to recover a SVN completely 19:08:56 <dih> close to != equals 19:08:58 <yorick> now I cannot license the patches :-p 19:09:07 <TrueBrain> dih: if the world burns down, it will be lost 19:09:09 <TrueBrain> so it can never be 0 19:09:18 <dih> :-) 19:09:27 <yorick> I cannot license the passwords 19:09:33 <TrueBrain> maybe I should upload a backup to the IIS or something 19:09:36 <yorick> the maps are not licensed 19:09:52 <yorick> except for the "keep this sign: made by *" 19:10:27 <dih> yorick: next time pay more attention to your stuff :-P 19:10:48 <yorick> they don't seem to care about the maps 19:10:52 <yorick> and the passwords were changed 19:11:17 <yorick> but I can not license the patches so they shouldn't download and use the patches claiming they're theirs 19:12:14 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:28 <TrueBrain> people shouldn't be selling OpenTTD .. still people do 19:12:42 <Noldo> why not? 19:12:51 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:12:55 <TrueBrain> selling things as if it were yours? Not nice in general 19:13:05 <TrueBrain> asking money for other peoples effort? Not nice too .. 19:13:27 <Noldo> isn't that what all companies do? 19:13:27 <TrueBrain> I remember a big fight with those guys who made a WinMobile port of OpenTTD and claimed they created the game or something 19:13:30 <yorick> sell? 19:14:04 <yorick> now they have the port, but point their donations link to their bank account :-p 19:14:15 <yorick> that people? 19:14:34 <TrueBrain> exactly those, yes 19:14:43 <yorick> ooh, I know these 19:14:52 <TrueBrain> well, at least they link to openttd.org now, publish their patch, and tell that their patch is based on OpenTTD 19:15:09 <el_En> TrueBrain: should have picked a better license than GPL if selling is not nice. 19:15:10 <yorick> they made a winmobile port of openttd and claimed they created the game or something, right? 19:15:15 <yorick> :p 19:15:24 <glx> <TrueBrain> maybe I should upload a backup to the IIS or something <-- not a good idea, they have a virus on board 19:15:28 <TrueBrain> el_En: selling perse isn't what bothers me .. taking others people stuff and act like it is yours .. I was hoping we were living in a better word 19:15:30 <TrueBrain> world 19:15:35 <TrueBrain> glx: hehe :) 19:16:07 <el_En> TrueBrain: errr, taking other people's stuff like ludde did with Chris Sawyer's TTD? 19:16:26 <TrueBrain> el_En: slightly different; we never hide the fact the game is based on what CS Did 19:16:38 <TrueBrain> and we will never try to make any money out of OpenTTD 19:16:59 <TrueBrain> at all places you can find: Original game by CS 19:17:01 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:01 <glx> and it's ISS (IIS is windows web server) 19:17:13 <TrueBrain> not like we removed him completely and act like this is all our idea 19:17:17 <TrueBrain> glx: oops :) 19:17:39 <SmatZ> :^) 19:18:17 <TrueBrain> I made various pieces of software in the last few years, most licensed to LGPL .. you have no idea how many big companies just take your software and use it, without notifying you, without paying you .. 19:18:18 <el_En> TrueBrain: except implicitly by relicensing it from commercial closed-source into GPL. but yes, i get your point. 19:18:29 <TrueBrain> if you use work of others, at least credit them, and if you make money from it, at least pay them 19:18:39 <TrueBrain> but okay .. a fair world died long long ago I guess ;) 19:19:21 <TrueBrain> el_En: for OpenTTD in fact it is a bit worse (positive for CS): we 'force' everyone to buy the real game 19:19:33 <TrueBrain> so if anything, OpenTTD should make CS gain more money ;) 19:19:48 <Noldo> force for now 19:19:50 <glx> if only it was easily findable in stores ;) 19:20:03 <TrueBrain> Noldo: fair enough 19:20:14 <frosch123> err, would the money still find its way to CS? 19:20:41 <TrueBrain> frosch123: not our problem, is it? :) 19:20:53 <TrueBrain> we at least try :) 19:21:09 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has joined #openttd 19:21:12 <Rexxars> I wish it did 19:21:25 <Rexxars> he deserves everything he can get for making such an awesome game 19:21:43 <SmatZ> agreed 19:22:03 <SmatZ> on the other hand... 19:22:07 <glx> simple concept are often good 19:22:28 <yorick> CS is a company, not a person... 19:22:40 <glx> it is a person 19:22:45 <Rexxars> how is CS a company? 19:22:50 <TrueBrain> very much a person indeed 19:23:28 <yorick> "Chris Sawyer software development" 19:23:48 <SmatZ> "Chris Sawyer is an independent game developer based in Scotland, specializing in constructional / strategic / simulation style games." 19:24:02 <el_En> I don't believe the yorick company. 19:24:17 <Rexxars> he's still just one person.. + back when he made TTD, he was a single developer with microprose as a publisher 19:24:23 <glx> never listen to yorick 19:24:47 <Rexxars> I did an email interview with him about assembly back in the day, haha 19:24:57 <SmatZ> congrats 19:25:01 <Rexxars> ty, ty 19:25:20 <Rexxars> still think it's impressive to create something like TT entirely in assembly ;) 19:25:30 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:45 <TrueBrain> as impressive in any other language back then I guess 19:25:51 <SmatZ> :) 19:26:07 <SmatZ> I still find asm much better in some cases 19:26:41 <peter1138> overflow flags! 19:26:49 <SmatZ> yeah! 19:26:56 <SmatZ> bit arrays! 19:27:22 <SmatZ> return more-than-one-level from recursion! 19:27:33 <SmatZ> custom call ABI 19:27:34 <SmatZ> etc 19:27:40 *** michi_cc_ [1c20bdbea1@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 19:28:01 <sulai> <SmatZ> return more-than-one-level from recursion! <--- make code more confusing ;) 19:28:02 *** michi_cc [fd8a163184@dude.icosahedron.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:11 <glx> use goto for that ;) 19:28:23 <SmatZ> sulai: I don't expect anyone to read my asm code ;) 19:28:39 <SmatZ> glx: and leave stack full of mess :-P 19:28:41 <sulai> good point ;) 19:28:43 <TrueBrain> sulai: it is asm .. how can it be less confusing? 19:28:48 <SmatZ> :) 19:29:36 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:31:09 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@78-21-228-27.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:35:02 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:51:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd917.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:39 <Eddi|zuHause> put the ASM in XML, that'll make it widely portable and human readable! 20:02:18 <Noldo> \o/ 20:03:13 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.122.117] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11:19 <SmatZ> :-P 20:16:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83DDA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:17:46 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:17:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 20:18:41 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:23 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 20:24:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. 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More!] 20:25:25 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-303c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 20:28:54 *** Sacro [~ben@freeside.dcs.hull.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:29:44 *** michi_cc_ [1c20bdbea1@dude.icosahedron.de] has left #openttd [Und weg...] 20:30:02 *** Swallow__ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 20:30:02 *** michi_cc [1c20bdbea1@dude.icosahedron.de] has joined #openttd 20:30:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 20:30:07 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:30:48 *** qkr [qkr@a91-153-49-185.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 20:34:40 <Elukka> hmh, my world generation on a 2048x2048 map, with ECS, gets stuck on 56% creating the industries 20:34:57 <Elukka> no wait it continued now, very slowly though 20:34:58 <Elukka> nevermind 20:35:27 *** Sacro [~ben@freeside.dcs.hull.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:36:05 <SmatZ> generationg a 2048x2048 map with ECS industries is best to leave over night 20:36:40 <Elukka> yesterday it took around 10 minutes 20:36:51 <Elukka> maybe 5 20:37:18 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:37:35 <Elukka> now its taking ages, though 20:37:47 <Elukka> which is strange since i havent changed anything 20:39:32 <el_En> *it's 20:39:40 <el_En> *haven't 20:40:01 <Elukka> its also missing capitalization ;) 20:40:12 <Prof_Frink> *it's 20:40:37 <Elukka> punctuation, too! 20:40:54 <el_En> capitalization and punctuation are completely different, unrelated things. 20:41:12 <Elukka> missing both, though 20:41:16 <Elukka> well, partly 20:43:15 <el_En> a full stop missing from the end of a separate sentence, or lower-case letters only rarely change the semantic meaning of words or the sentence. 20:43:46 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 20:43:56 <Elukka> like most, i just cant be bothered, on irc anyway 20:43:58 <Zuu> Though there is a course webportal called it's learing. But on the ITS course I am taking we like to call it ITS learing. :) 20:44:03 <Prof_Frink> el_En: "I helped my unlce jack off a horse" and "I helped my unlce Jack off a horse" have very different meanings. 20:44:15 <SmatZ> hehe 20:44:30 <Prof_Frink> And I fail at spelling uncle. 20:44:34 <Elukka> unlce also has no meaning 20:44:41 <SmatZ> :-D 20:44:49 <el_En> Prof_Frink: yes, you need to use a capital J when pronouncing that. 20:45:53 <Elukka> in that particular sentence, its pretty important 20:46:02 <Elukka> in that one i just wrote, it isnt 20:46:04 <Elukka> or that one 20:46:40 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:46:42 <SmatZ> *it's *isn't 20:46:56 <SmatZ> *I 20:47:25 <Noldo> Elukka: is this another case of "I know how to do it but this is the Internets so I don't care" ? 20:47:56 <Elukka> generally people dont bother with fully correct grammar on irc 20:47:58 <Elukka> im one of those people 20:48:07 <SmatZ> naw dis kewl 2 tyep liek taht 20:48:23 <Elukka> i dont do that, though 20:48:23 <Prof_Frink> /kb SmatZ 20:48:36 <Elukka> actually, its very much a pet peeve 20:48:39 * davis- gn 20:48:43 <SmatZ> /ignore Prof_Frink 20:48:53 <SmatZ> nn davis- 20:48:55 <Elukka> also, people not bothering writing properly on forums is also a pet peeve 20:48:56 *** davis- [~asd@p5B2892A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49:01 <Elukka> oh and people writing "of" instead of "have" 20:49:34 <Elukka> on another note, the map generating gets slow at precisely 56% 20:49:36 <Elukka> which is weird 20:49:43 <Elukka> up to that point it generates the industries at a nice pace 20:50:33 <Eddi|zuHause> complain to george about that 20:50:38 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:50:50 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac9d680.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd does everything correctly, but ECS has insane placement requirements 20:51:13 <Eddi|zuHause> which are expensive to check 20:51:34 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:51:40 <Elukka> the problem is something on my end 20:51:44 <Elukka> it worked fine yesterday or so 20:51:52 <Zuu> Good luck maybe? 20:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> and if industry placement checks are O(n^2), it will take 100 times longer to place 1000 industries than 100 20:52:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a known problem of ECS 20:52:50 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 20:52:50 <Elukka> yet it only started happening now? 20:52:51 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 20:52:51 *** neli [micha@88.159.210.43] has joined #openttd 20:52:51 *** peter1138 [~peter@svn.bucks.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:51 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:51 *** Kloopy [kloopy@kloopy.com] has joined #openttd 20:52:52 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0D987.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 20:52:59 *** wolfy [~Wolfenste@dhcp-077-250-018-164.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 20:52:59 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@rbijker.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:59 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad46219.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 20:53:00 *** tokar [~tokar@othala.n7mm.org] has joined #openttd 20:53:00 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 20:53:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it was always happening 20:53:06 *** tneo [~tneo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:53:08 *** ben_goodger [~ben@host86-153-45-29.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:08 *** wolfy is now known as Wolfensteij 20:53:08 *** sono [~sono@78.46.42.175] has joined #openttd 20:53:10 *** Wolfensteij is now known as Wolfensteijn 20:53:11 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7DD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:11 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:15 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-9-28-188.manc.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:17 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 20:53:27 <Elukka> as i said before, i generated multiple 2048x2048 maps with ECS before and it took 5-10 minutes 20:54:11 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you used less vectors 20:54:13 <Elukka> ...actually, i just switched on one grf, which should have nothing to do with it 20:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause> or fewer industries 20:54:19 <Elukka> i'll try turning that on 20:54:32 <Elukka> nope, i first tried with medium industries or something, thought it was too much so i changed it to very low 20:54:38 <Elukka> all the same vectors, too 20:55:03 <Elukka> uh, i meant i'll try turning that grf of 20:55:03 <Elukka> f 20:55:59 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 20:56:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 20:58:13 <Elukka> nope, still slows down on 56%.. 20:58:50 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 20:59:10 <Celestar> hwy 20:59:12 <Celestar> hey* 20:59:16 <Elukka> o/ 20:59:58 <Celestar> Brianetta: thanks for .. having a go at Wan-To :) 21:01:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: what did you want yesterday? 21:01:14 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: er... 21:01:16 * Celestar thinks 21:01:31 <Celestar> oh 21:01:43 <Celestar> did you test the "hop overdrive" patch? 21:02:47 <Prof_Frink> holly hop drive! 21:02:56 *** sulai [~sulai@p5B2B581A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: cu later guys] 21:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> well, not this weekend, as i was away 21:04:52 <Eddi|zuHause> when i played last time, i found no noticeable problems 21:05:25 <Celestar> does it do what we expect it to? 21:05:37 <Celestar> I hadn't much time to test it myself for nasty side-effects 21:05:55 <Elukka> hmh, now i got a 1024x1024 map generated, i estimate it took less than 2 minutes 21:06:00 <Elukka> ah well good enough 21:06:21 *** Sacro [~Ben@87.102.122.117] has joined #openttd 21:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there was some kind of weird behaviour that people would take the tram to the main station, and at the main station they decided to take the tram back instead of the train around the city 21:07:47 <Brianetta> Celestar: I tried to disguise it 21:09:03 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe that would be solved with better biasing of train routes vs. tram routes 21:09:09 <Celestar> disguise the "telling him off" ? 21:09:18 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I see. 21:09:23 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I'll work on that stuff next week 21:09:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so the people won't want to take the train in the first place 21:11:22 <Celestar> no I might just want to forbid looping I guess 21:12:30 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 21:13:44 <Rubidium> Celestar: isn't that going to cause trouble when removing links? 21:14:41 <Celestar> Rubidium: nothing to do with what is on hg now 21:14:50 <Celestar> Rubidium: just wondering how to use express systems 21:17:31 <Celestar> TrueBrain: *gentle poke* 21:18:13 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac9d680.bb.sky.com] has quit [] 21:18:53 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37D1DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:21 *** Swallow__ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 21:20:49 *** KillaloT [~killalot@0x5738c8e8.rdnqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 21:21:18 <Celestar> meh 21:22:24 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 21:24:05 <Celestar> :o the wiki has around 500 unused images in its database 21:24:51 <el_En> only 75% of them porn? 21:24:55 <Celestar> no 21:25:00 <Celestar> up to now, I've see only one 21:25:16 <el_En> was it a good one? 21:25:21 <Wolf01> 'night 21:25:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host202-229-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:26:09 <Celestar> sorry, it's more than 500 21:26:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14266 /branches/0.6/ (15 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) 21:26:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 21:26:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Desyncs after deleting a waypoint because of explicit destructor call instead of using operator delete (r14265) 21:26:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Crash when the AI tries to find the depot of an airport that doesn't have a depot [FS#2190] (r13999) 21:26:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: MSVC cannot handle changed files in the prebuild event, so make the version determination a separate subproject [FS#2004] (r13998) 21:26:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The dedicated console removed any character that was not a printable ASCII character instead. Now it allows UTF8 formated strings too [FS#2189] (r13992) 21:26:43 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Resetting construction stage counter reset more than it should (r13981) 21:27:07 <Celestar> explicit destructor call? .o 21:28:21 <el_En> explicit destructor call??!? 0·0 21:28:52 <el_En> who did that? 21:29:10 <Celestar> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/cbfc938f2538 <= hr hr hr 21:29:13 <glx> wp->~Waypoint(); <-- nice isn't it 21:29:27 <Celestar> glx: when veteran C programms learn C++ :P 21:29:40 *** rortom_ [~rortom@p57B7DD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:30:14 <Celestar> glx: especially lovely is the 'wrapper' function around the destructor 21:30:19 * Celestar giggles loudly 21:30:57 <el_En> the line was there by Rubidium. 21:31:33 <Celestar> :P 21:31:49 <Celestar> as I said, that happens when you move from C to C++ 21:31:55 * Sacro grabs a flaming torche and heads to dutchland 21:32:13 * Prof_Frink grabs the pitchforks 21:32:21 <Eddi|zuHause> you forgot your pitchfork 21:32:36 <el_En> Celestar: with the additional condition that you don't even attempt to read a book about C++ while doing so... 21:32:38 <Celestar> I fail to get the joke? 21:32:57 <Celestar> el_En: not sure. just some search-and-replace error or something 21:33:15 <Celestar> oh man 21:33:23 <el_En> does someone dare to grep the project for other instances of '->~'? 21:33:24 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 21:33:27 <Celestar> gcc's loop vectorizer is SLOW 21:33:43 <el_En> Celestar: are you still using GCC 3.x? 21:34:08 <Celestar> el_En: 4.3 21:34:20 <Celestar> src/misc/fixedsizearray.hpp: pItem->~Titem_(); 21:34:27 <Celestar> src/misc/blob.hpp: pLast->~Titem_(); 21:34:30 <Celestar> wth 21:35:04 <glx> KUDr's code 21:35:36 <Celestar> yeah 21:35:48 * Celestar redirects Sacro to CZ 21:35:51 *** rortom_ [~rortom@p57B7DD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:35:55 <el_En> in what the fuck kind of a state is an object after its destructor has been explicitly called? memory is not freed, i suppose. 21:36:01 <Sacro> Celestar: thanks :) 21:36:42 <Celestar> el_En: I guess if it's the default constructor, notthing is done? 21:36:43 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7DD17.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:50 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 21:37:47 <Celestar> el_En: > grep -R "\->\~" /usr/include/c++/4.3/ | wc -l 21:37:47 <Celestar> 27 21:39:12 <Celestar> el_En: I guess that depends on the destructor. Calling it explicitly, it's just treated like any other function, is it not? 21:39:13 <el_En> Celestar: there's reason to believe that libstdc++ coders have had a better idea of what they are doing than average OTTD coders. 21:40:14 <el_En> Celestar: actually i'm not sure what does the standard say about calling the destructor explicitly. would be logical that it is treated like any function. 21:40:19 <Eddi|zuHause> what reason? 21:40:47 <Rubidium> el_En: now imagine that the destructor only marks a pool item invalid and delete will does not free it, is calling it explicitly that bad? 21:41:00 <Celestar> el_En: KUDr isn't an average OTTD code. he's a 100% C++ guy (and afaik never used C) 21:41:39 <Celestar> el_En: manually written allocators often seem to call the destructor 21:41:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and KUDr definitely appeared as someone who really knows what he was doing... 21:42:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14267 /branches/0.6/src/ (12 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) 21:42:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 21:42:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Make the 'Transfer Credit' display aware of the entire consist, not only the first vehicle (r14098) 21:42:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Do not flood a NewGRF industry when it implicitly tells that it wants to be build on water (land shape flags bit 5) [FS#2230] (r14093) 21:42:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The vehicle window of articulated road vehicles would show the clone/refit button when the vehicle was not completely stopped in the depot (r14090) 21:42:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Flawed parsing of words (as in 2 bytes) in GRF strings due to sign extension [FS#2228] (r14087) 21:42:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Division by 0 in NewAI [FS#2226] (r14062) 21:42:07 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:43:21 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: juding from the YAPF code, yes 21:43:57 <el_En> i wonder why it caused desyncs if it is problem-free way to do things. 21:44:21 <Celestar> el_En: it's not problem free. "delete thing" and "thing->~ThingType()" do different things 21:44:44 <Rubidium> because later in time the delete override got functionality, which made some assumptions break 21:45:04 <Rubidium> at the time of writing that line of code it was perfectly fine and it didn't cause desyncs 21:45:28 <Celestar> Rubidium: still I wonder why a waypoint was just destructed, but never removed? 21:46:04 * Celestar begins to understand the explicit destructor call 21:46:27 * Prof_Frink prefers the explicit terminator call 21:46:39 <Prof_Frink> Sarah Connor? 21:46:56 <Rubidium> Celestar: I've got no clue about that 21:47:05 <Rubidium> Prof_Frink: the chronicles thereof? 21:47:07 <Celestar> Rubidium: ok ;) 21:47:40 * Celestar points randomly at some people. "You there. You'll help me cleaning up the cargodest wiki" 21:47:42 <Rubidium> Celestar: my mind is like an OpenTTD game... after a few days the state of a few days ago is unrecoverable 21:47:50 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't new episodes be out soon? 21:48:04 <el_En> Dexter 3x01 is out 21:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> old news :p 21:48:17 <Rubidium> Celestar: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php?title=Passenger_and_cargo_destinations&action=delete 21:48:38 <el_En> only a stupid low-resolution, letterboxed version on rslinks. 21:48:43 <Celestar> Rubidium: heh 21:49:00 <Celestar> Rubidium: the information there is good. It's just ... unorganized 21:49:15 <Celestar> el_En: Dexter being what? 21:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the most genious TV series currently 21:49:53 <Celestar> on German TV? 21:50:01 * Rubidium agrees with Eddi|zuHause 21:50:14 <Rubidium> Celestar: once they've dubbed it it will be 21:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: the dubbing totally sucks i'm afraid 21:50:35 <Celestar> dubbing always sucks 21:50:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: RTL II has the rights to show it, i think 21:50:43 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 21:50:51 <Celestar> I've never seen any dubbed show on TV that didn't have a sucky dubbing 21:50:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: no, but this time, the series lives from the original tone... 21:51:43 <Rubidium> Das A-Team :( 21:52:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F6A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:53:20 <el_En> Celestar: Dexter is serial killer working as a crime scene investigator in Miami Police Department. 21:54:25 <el_En> And that's not a spoiler. 21:55:45 <glx> that's just the pitch ;) 21:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> "Dexter RTL II Montag, 29.September 2008 22.50 Uhr" 21:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> and really, be warned to not watch the german dub... 21:57:28 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I'm not watching shows in German (= 21:58:09 <Elukka> sleeptime 21:58:13 <Elukka> (is overdue) 21:58:15 *** Elukka [~elukka.el@bb-89-166-41-222.dsl.phnet.fi] has quit [] 22:02:01 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-303c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "in âDexterâ und einer ganzen Reihe von durch schlechten Umgang âgetötetenâ Serien geht es um mehr Ethik und Moral als im ganzen deutschen Fernsehen zusammen." 22:04:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14268 /branches/0.6/src/ (12 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 22:04:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 22:04:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Properly update the current timetable's travel/wait times instead of only doing it for one vehicle in the shared order chain and only when some bit has not been set [FS#2236] (r14192) 22:04:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Sprite payload skipping would not skip enough bytes in a very small subset of compressed sprites (r14191) 22:04:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: After applying NewGRF settings, all rail and road types were available as the engine availability check was performed too early (r14182) 22:04:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Close all related vehicle lists when closing a station window (and not only the train list) (r14180) 22:04:53 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: RemoveOrderFromAllVehicles() did not mark enough windows dirty (r14179) 22:05:21 * Celestar smells a release coming (= 22:05:34 <Prof_Frink> No, that's just Sacro 22:05:40 <Sacro> :( 22:06:28 <Celestar> 4.39 10.11 2.82 85666889 0.00 0.00 GetTileSlope(unsigned int, unsigned int*) 22:06:31 <Celestar> :o 22:07:07 <Celestar> and with that, I'm off to bed. 22:07:09 <Celestar> good night 22:07:11 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@mnch-5d8700de.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:08:00 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 22:10:28 <TrueBrain> grr 22:10:30 <TrueBrain> and again .. 22:10:37 <glx> what? 22:10:37 <TrueBrain> why oh why does Celestar poke me and stuff, without telling me why 22:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> bahaha :p 22:10:40 <TrueBrain> useless .. 22:10:54 <glx> maybe he wanted a build 22:11:25 <el_En> maybe he wanted you to spill your cup of coffee on your keyboard 22:11:32 <TrueBrain> I guess so .. he should say so 22:11:41 <TrueBrain> like: TrueBrain: when you have the time, can you compile cargodest again? 22:11:44 <TrueBrain> instead of: /me pokes TrueBrain 22:11:56 <glx> gentle poke ;) 22:13:24 <ben_goodger> poking is fun 22:13:56 <ben_goodger> it keeps volunteer developers on their toes 22:15:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14269 /branches/0.6/src/ (11 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) 22:15:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 22:15:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Merge keycode for "normal" 0-9 keys and keypad 0-9 keys so people do not get confused that the keypad does not work as expected [FS#2277] (r14260) 22:15:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Clicking on the smallmap didn't break the "follow vehicle in main viewport" [FS#2269] (r14243) 22:15:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: The engine-purchase-list-sorter doubled running-cost and halfed capacity of double-headed engines [FS#2267] (r14239) 22:15:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Feeder share was computed wrong when splitting cargo packet (r14234) 22:15:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Signs (town name, station name, ...) could be too long for 8bit width in pixels (r14221) 22:16:09 <Yexo> TrueBrain: Celestar indeed wanted a new cargodest build 22:16:20 <TrueBrain> then he should just say so :) 22:16:43 <Rubidium> Yexo: he merely wanted to poke TrueBrain for the fun of it 22:19:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82C82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:20:22 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:13 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81F57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:21:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:23:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14270 /trunk/src/disaster_cmd.cpp: -Fix: make small UFO aware of articulated RVs 22:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14271 /branches/0.6/ (31 files in 5 dirs): 22:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 22:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Makefile updates for compile farm 22:31:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Change: Updated debian package generation metadata 22:38:43 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81F57.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:40:31 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B81E01.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:40:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 22:45:45 <TrueBrain> well, tell Celestar the compile is done 22:47:52 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:48:14 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 22:48:36 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 22:58:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1F6A3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:01 <el_En> great soviet tv commercials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzlzx8D4hYw 23:04:51 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:04:56 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 23:10:35 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 23:10:42 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 23:16:05 *** reldred is now known as reldred|work 23:18:18 *** penfold [~p@cpc1-hem18-0-0-cust608.lutn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:20:19 *** Kasceh [~Kasc@cpc2-leed7-0-0-cust124.leed.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:23:01 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5DBD1.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:32:13 * Brianetta hugs British Rail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN7naLLeB0A 23:33:22 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:02 *** Jerimiah40 [~jerimiah4@h66-244-213-147.pmcnet.ca] has joined #openttd 23:34:04 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:13 <Sacro> Brianetta: <3 the police 37 23:34:45 <Brianetta> Using the two-tone horn (: 23:34:54 <Brianetta> They painted one that way for real 23:35:28 <eekee> I used to hear that all the time from my parents' place, especially when the clouds were low 23:37:20 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@5350C1D1.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:39:56 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179221177.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 23:44:55 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:46:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:21 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 23:49:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-143-117.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]