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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 00:47:28 *** daspork [~daspork@24-158-111-118.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:49:29 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 00:56:13 *** Yeggstry is now known as Yeggzzz 01:00:18 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone ever noticed how boring this channel is at 3 AM? 01:02:22 <ln> sometimes 01:02:31 <ln> though it is 4 AM. 01:03:09 <bleepy> lies, it's 2AM 01:03:14 * FauxFaux nods at bleepy. 01:03:19 <bleepy> SEE 01:03:51 * FauxFaux is playing a coop game with a net income of -7m for the last few years, mostly due to a massive "Other" expenditure. >.< 01:04:04 <bleepy> gotta love Other! 01:04:58 <ln> Wordt op eenvoudige wijze vervangen en automatisch opgeladen wanneer het apparaat op het net wordt aangesloten. 01:05:41 <bleepy> :o 01:09:01 <Tefad> Other = bribes? 01:09:13 <FauxFaux> Pretty much. 01:09:18 <bleepy> lol :> 01:11:13 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179177228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 01:17:09 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8D3B.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 01:18:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "wurde auf ??? weise ??? und automatisch aufgeladen wenn der apparat nicht angeschlossen war?" 01:19:01 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't make any sense 01:20:20 <Eddi|zuHause> and it doesn't sound like star trek either :p 01:22:32 <ln> fortunately the package has the same in german, too 01:23:07 <ln> Solange das GerÀt am Stromnetz angeschlossen ist, lÀdt sich der Akku automatisch auf. 01:32:48 <ln> i'm not sure if this helped the situation of the channel being boring at this time. 01:36:55 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 01:36:55 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's less words than the dutch sentence 01:37:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 01:37:15 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:42:21 *** rortom__ [~rortom@p57B7FCD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:02:42 *** elmex_ [~elmex@e180068210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 03:04:44 *** murray [murray@2001:470:1f0a:1be::a1c0] has joined #openttd 03:07:43 *** elmex [~elmex@e180067015.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:07:45 *** elmex_ is now known as elmex 03:16:40 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00eb2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:48 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00eb2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 03:29:30 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred|work 03:32:28 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad00eb2.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:36:27 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f6.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 03:44:30 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103f6.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:44:38 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103d5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 03:58:45 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 04:01:23 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:01:28 *** reldred|work is now known as reldred|gone 04:11:24 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 04:11:35 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 04:17:43 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has quit [Quit: http://www.interplay.com/] 04:18:48 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 04:22:45 *** Netsplit synthon.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: Tefad 04:22:45 *** Netsplit over, joins: ccfreak2k 04:22:47 *** Tefad_ [~tefad@c-75-75-0-69.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 05:05:25 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 05:28:21 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm149.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 05:33:49 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:13 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 05:48:04 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 05:58:23 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:00:37 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 06:16:03 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest6723 06:16:05 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:16:07 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 06:20:26 *** Guest6723 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:20:36 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:51:29 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred|work 07:05:06 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:07:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has joined #openttd 07:07:47 <Wolf01> hello 07:11:10 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 07:11:22 <Wolf01> pikka! 07:11:32 <Pikka> Wolf01! 07:13:18 <Wolf01> I found a strange thing with your industries, a coal mine had 275% of estimated transported, and the production raised and lowered more times, from 135 to 128 to 135 again 07:15:20 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F7BE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:15:31 <Pikka> that kind of fluctuation can happen, industries don't always have the same number of production cycles per month 07:15:55 <Pikka> it's not actually changing production, it's just having one more or less cycle 07:16:02 <Pikka> in the calendar month 07:18:11 <Wolf01> oh, ok 07:18:45 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 07:19:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcdbf.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 07:20:01 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 07:23:31 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has joined #openttd 07:23:31 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has quit [] 07:39:41 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:42:03 *** reldred|work is now known as reldred 07:42:46 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:48:42 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 07:55:45 *** Tefad_ is now known as Tefad 07:58:30 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 08:03:55 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has joined #openttd 08:11:13 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:16:24 *** Rexxars [~rexxars@62.113.133.253] has joined #openttd 08:18:21 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 08:23:09 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:42:14 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:42 * peter1138 hmms at r14293 08:43:37 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:46:09 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 08:46:27 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:53:16 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:53:27 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:53:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:59:35 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 09:05:07 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:17:27 <FauxFaux> So, multi-monitor support, then. ¬_¬ http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/ttdwide.png 09:17:48 <hylje> stretching 09:19:45 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:21:16 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 09:23:00 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:25:11 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B5340.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:30 <peter1138> SDL does not support multiple windows which limits our options somewhat. 09:25:37 <Gekz> what? 09:25:41 <Gekz> that's fail. 09:25:49 <Gekz> is it planned? 09:25:50 <SpComb> write your own graphics library \o/ 09:26:28 <Gekz> No. 09:26:40 <FauxFaux> I was more thinking about the default layout being aware of discontinuities, /me is having a look at implementing it, will probably get bored before finishing (not that you lot accept patches anyway ;)). 09:26:51 <FauxFaux> Isn't it something like single window per thread, peter1138? 09:27:14 <peter1138> SpComb, go on then :) 09:27:29 <peter1138> Is what something like a single window per thread? 09:27:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 09:27:35 <FauxFaux> SDL's limitation. 09:27:43 <peter1138> I don't think so. 09:28:00 * FauxFaux isn't a fan, either way. 09:28:08 <hylje> opengl!!! 09:29:11 <FauxFaux> Oh, apparently it's new in SDL1.3 (ie. unreleased). 09:29:25 <peter1138> Yeah... 09:29:43 <SpComb> in what way does is support it? Fullscreen on monitors with different resolutions? 09:30:06 <peter1138> If someone fancies writing multiple window support for OS X or Windows, then go ahead :) 09:30:12 <hylje> probably by having multiple windows 09:30:22 <hylje> which may or may not be fullscreen 09:37:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179177228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:39:27 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:45:45 *** ENGINE [~Laskar@125.165.169.215] has joined #openttd 09:48:19 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 09:49:37 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:49:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 09:49:48 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:49:55 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:50:34 *** ENGINE [~Laskar@125.165.169.215] has quit [] 09:51:52 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B5340.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 09:54:59 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-55.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:00:57 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:03:56 *** reldred is now known as reldred|gone 10:04:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14306 /trunk/src/ (7 files): 10:04:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Codechange: unify the code to draw the vehicle list. 10:04:57 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#2292]: inconsistency between drawn vehicle lists in the vehicle list and group windows. 10:09:37 <Rexxars> I had a weird dream tonight 10:10:15 <Rexxars> I was on this IRC channel, and CIA reported: OpenTTD: -Feature: Signals in tunnels/bridges implemented. 10:10:41 <Rexxars> I never wanted to wake up :/ 10:10:56 <Eddi|zuHause> if you'd know this channel, a commitmessage for this kind of feature would never ever look like this :p 10:11:30 <Rexxars> it was a dream... 10:11:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, look at the tram commit :p 10:11:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's even better than the autoslope commit :p 10:12:20 <Rexxars> heh 10:12:28 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 10:12:57 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: Yeh, no doubt it would be something like 'added map bits to worm holes' 10:13:21 <Ammler> I would miss the doubling of tunnels/bridges 10:13:36 <Alberth> doubling? 10:13:56 <Rexxars> I wouldnt ;) 10:13:58 <Ammler> because you can't signal them, we double/trible them 10:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> trouble with tribbles? 10:14:23 <Ammler> :-P 10:14:52 <Rexxars> its the bottleneck of my rail systems, and it looks weird/ugly with three bridges/tunnels, hehe 10:15:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:16:07 <Alberth> Ammler: Ah, I see. It is kind of a recurring theme it seems. People want the game to be harder, but at the same time have no limits.... :P 10:16:56 <Ammler> I would much more prefer custom bridge heads or extended tunnels 10:17:29 <peter1138> What's an extended tunnel? 10:17:35 <Rexxars> thats what I was wondering 10:17:43 <Rubidium> peter1138: longer tunnels 10:17:49 <Rexxars> haha 10:18:03 <Ammler> peter1138: :-), if I don't know the right name, not important :-P 10:18:05 <Rubidium> which is a complex way of saying he wants bigger maps 10:18:09 <SpComb> tunnels in four dimensions 10:18:23 <Eddi|zuHause> twelve, at least 10:18:29 <Ammler> but better then signals in them... 10:19:35 <Ammler> or level crossing and curves for tunnels would also be nice 10:20:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14307 /trunk/src/ (8 files): -Fix: when deleting a station, remove news items regarding it 10:21:27 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7E5E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:23:30 *** Pikka is now known as Pikka|afk 10:29:09 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37DFFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:39:27 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:40:06 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has joined #openttd 10:41:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14308 /trunk/src/station_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2268]: pay extra when tram/road bits need to be build for a roadstop. 10:48:09 <peter1138> Built! 10:49:13 <FR^2> hehe 10:49:46 <Rubidium> it's valid en_RB 10:50:49 <SmatZ> ^_^ 10:51:23 <ccfreak2k> Reat Britian? 10:52:21 * Rubidium sends ccfreak2k of to a chemistry class 10:53:56 <Rubidium> although for the sake of correctness I should've written en_Rb 10:56:23 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 10:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe he wants to say that stuff like this happens when you are under influence of certain chemistry :p 10:58:01 <Gekz> Rubidium is for men without penii. 11:00:44 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14309 /trunk/src/aircraft_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2244]: aircraft frozen above oil rig when the next order is invalid. 11:01:02 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-185-096.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: und weg] 11:01:53 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@users113.kollegienet.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 11:03:45 <TrueBrain> lobster: sadly enough, I seem to be right .. I haven't seen that guy posting any binaries yet :s 11:08:14 <peter1138> Hmm? 11:08:16 <welshdragon> just got an error on 0.6.2: waveOutWrite failed 11:09:09 <Rubidium> peter1138: read back far enough in your backlog and you'll know what it's about 11:09:22 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggstry 11:09:34 <peter1138> http://www.betterware.co.uk/productdetails.aspx?pid=038416&language=en-GB 11:09:36 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the supposedly "interesting" discussion 11:09:43 <peter1138> ^ How did I ever live without it? 11:10:40 <Eddi|zuHause> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/fail-owned-restaurant-logo-fail.jpg <- you see a house and a sun on this picture, right? 11:11:26 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you don't? 11:11:34 <FauxFaux> Nope. ¬_¬ 11:12:16 <Rubidium> welshdragon: using Vista? 11:12:25 <welshdragon> Rubidium, yep 11:12:53 <FauxFaux> I've made the auto window positioner prefer positions that don't cross screen borders on Windows, it needs the upper left position of each screen in openttd-window coords and whether a window-coord+dimension window is on screen. Anyone have enough experience with another library / platform to say if vector<Rect> or two methods in VideoDriver are better? 11:15:30 <Rubidium> welshdragon: still can't help you though ;) 11:16:04 <Rubidium> but then again, the error reporting of the function giving that error is pretty non-existent 11:16:23 <welshdragon> Rubidium, it's never happened before 11:24:00 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:26:17 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-141-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 11:27:52 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:05 * FauxFaux wonders where to put the status bar.. primary monitor, left most monitor, biggest monitor.. all of the above unless the taskbar is in the way.. 11:31:09 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:32:14 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:20 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:35:40 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 11:36:34 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 11:40:34 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:14 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:22 *** Swallow_ is now known as Swallow 11:41:54 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7E5E1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:42:36 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 11:47:18 *** Pikka|afk is now known as Pikka 11:47:24 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:58 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:00:41 <Ammler> http://paste.openttd.org/91448 12:00:52 <Ammler> :-) 12:01:28 <peter1138> What? 12:01:29 <peter1138> Haha 12:02:01 <Pikka> exactly 12:02:04 <yorick> why don't we use c++ strings? 12:02:21 <peter1138> 36GB! 12:02:24 <yorick> some more 12:02:29 <ln> yorick: because the original game didn't use c++ strings. 12:02:40 <yorick> how is that an excuse 12:03:05 <yorick> the original game didn't use YAPF either 12:03:26 <yorick> and the things are far more convenient 12:03:46 <ln> yorick: that is *the* excuse 12:05:06 <TrueBrain> yorick: ah, you want to cnovert all string instance to C++ strings I gather? Good luck ;) After that you can benchmark against current code, see which one performance better :) 12:05:15 <SmatZ> s/more/less 12:05:37 <yorick> tb: where did you gather? 12:05:48 <TrueBrain> the fact you suggest doing it :) 12:05:53 <TrueBrain> you don't? no? oh ... :( 12:07:13 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 12:07:13 <SmatZ> !logs 12:09:58 <dih> yorick: if you want to do something productive, go outside and play 12:10:12 <yorick> that's noway productive 12:10:17 <TrueBrain> well, he can better do that conversion :) 12:10:19 <dih> it is for everyone in here :-D 12:13:14 <TrueBrain> dih: be nice to the kid :) 12:14:34 * dih hugs yorick 12:15:13 * yorick hugs TB and declares grouphug! 12:15:45 <dih> dont overdo it ! 12:16:50 <TrueBrain> besides, it sounds gay 12:17:08 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 12:18:49 <SmatZ> http://pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF115-Hug_Bot.jpg 12:19:06 <hylje> hugs 12:19:24 <SmatZ> ^^^ that is yorick 12:20:22 <yorick> truths! 12:22:38 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-1e3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #openttd 12:23:23 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@user-54470bf2.wfd82a.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:27:47 <peter1138> Rubidium, is the NewGRF settings bit in the network lobby supposed to say DOS? 12:32:39 <Rubidium> guess not 12:39:06 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host86-137-231-250.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:39:17 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14310 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Fix: don't show palette information in the newgrf lists of the network lobby. 12:42:10 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:42:30 *** welshdragon [~vista@host81-157-252-208.range81-157.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ok... so much for today's puzzle 12:43:10 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:36 <Eddi|zuHause> cleaned out my keyboard, and on putting it together, i got like 6 keys wrong... 12:43:58 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:28 <TrueBrain> I never can get PrtScr, ScrollLock and Pause correct 12:45:34 <TrueBrain> even more as I never ever used them :p 12:45:43 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:57 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:46:06 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 12:46:36 <Eddi|zuHause> pause was a very useful key under dos 12:46:56 <TrueBrain> _was_,y es 12:47:01 <TrueBrain> never used this keyboard under DOS :) 12:47:04 <Eddi|zuHause> and a paint program i know used the scroll key back then 12:47:08 <TrueBrain> (did use it under Windows 98 though) 12:47:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and print screen makes a screenshot nowadays 12:48:26 <TrueBrain> never used it :) 12:48:31 <TrueBrain> ah, it works 12:48:36 <TrueBrain> I have that key at the correct position 12:48:39 <TrueBrain> I am all suprised :) 12:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> :) 12:50:01 <yorick> even pause pauses openttd 12:50:27 <Zuu> Are dynamic casts allowed in OpenTTD? - Using the window_class I can detect that a window is WC_OSK, but I would like to know it's parrent window which is a member of the OSK class/struct. 12:52:43 <Zuu> (I'm working on having a focus model where text-inputs need to have focus to recive input, and only paints the blinking '_' on text inputs that has focus. But for the OSK (on screen keyboard) I want to check if the parrent widget has focus or not.) 12:54:18 <Zuu> Hmm, now I got the briliant idea to search for dynamic_cast, and found 6 instances of it beeing used, so I guess it is allowed then. :) 12:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: yes, but it is much further away from the normal typing area than the F1 key. especially if you have a hand on the mouse 12:54:28 <SpComb> Ammler: ENGINE /q'd me too, but quit as soon as I replied 12:54:44 <yorick> Eddi: not if you're left-handed 12:55:19 <Eddi|zuHause> those have totally bad luck typing with mouse anyway :p 12:55:33 <yorick> ^^ 12:56:29 *** Tim [~Tim@p5B37DFFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #openttd [] 12:57:11 <Eddi|zuHause> a one handed keyboard would be nice sometimes 12:57:28 <yorick> a left-handed mouse too 12:57:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14311 /branches/0.6/ (13 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) 12:57:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 12:57:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Aircraft frozen above oil rig when the next order is invalid [FS#2244] (r14309) 12:57:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Pay extra when tram/road bits need to be build for a roadstop [FS#2268] (r14308) 12:57:29 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: [YAPF] Only reserve road slots for multistop when they are really reachable [FS#2294] (r14305) 12:57:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: One could be trying to get the station name of a station that is outside of the pool (r14297) 12:57:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: Default for sound effects and music volume should be in the valid range for that setting [FS#2286] (r14289) 12:57:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but i need modificator keys on the mouse then 12:57:40 *** Sionide [sionide@cornflakes.imen.org.uk] has joined #openttd 13:00:03 <frosch123> hmm, middle button like ctrl 13:00:19 <Ammler> SpComb: now, I need mail "yes" to him. :-) 13:02:05 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:06:15 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:32 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.186.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 13:08:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14312 /branches/0.6/src/lang/ (22 files): 13:08:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk: 13:08:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Update: language files (r13905, r14035, r14120, r14205, r14250, r14282, r14300) 13:11:35 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:13:43 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-222-140.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:14:32 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@host86-137-231-250.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:03 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:22:22 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-222-140.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:22:22 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:22:32 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:36:02 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 13:36:21 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:37:13 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 13:38:05 <Zuu> Oh, there is a general parent member of Window struct. How lovely :) 13:40:21 <peter1138> 37.8 :o 13:42:31 <TrueBrain> Zuu: wasn't that the first thing you should have been looking at? :p 13:43:11 <Zuu> Yea, I asumed there was no, but that there was one in the OSK struct. 13:43:33 <Zuu> Which is kind of true as OSK derivates form Window... 13:47:31 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-221-113.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:50:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA64.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:17 <eQualizer> Is it possible with the inflation set off to have road vehicles doing more profit than what the min profit is on the detailed performance rating? 13:53:03 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:07 <peter1138> Yes. 13:55:18 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:52 <eQualizer> Greit. :) 14:02:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p54B76531.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:03:29 <Ammler> eQualizer: but quite hard. 14:03:50 <Ammler> as you need to have every vehicle having that 14:04:22 <eQualizer> Ammler: Yes, I know. 14:08:20 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75DCB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:42 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause3 14:08:44 *** Eddi|zuHause3 is now known as Eddi|zuHause2 14:08:54 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 14:09:02 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah... 14:09:32 <yorick> you renamed to your 3rd backup name, then renamed back, and then renamed to your main name? 14:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> wrong direction of mouse wheel ;) 14:10:01 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i have the same version as last time, ammler 14:11:18 <Ammler> just wondering how you change nick with mouse wheel :-) 14:11:44 <eQualizer> Okay, another question. Is there a way to run mac and linux versions of OpenTTD from a Usb memory? 14:11:55 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. 14:12:14 <eQualizer> And they would both use the same saves, configs and everything? 14:12:19 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd can run from anything that you can mount 14:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, openttd can use paths relative to the binary dir 14:12:50 <Ammler> only the binary openttd is os dependent, the rest can be shared through all oses.. 14:20:08 <Zuu> Ammler: Remember you said you'd like to make a sign while you have your chat-box open? - That is currently possible here :) 14:20:27 <Zuu> Using r14305M :p 14:21:36 <roboboy> gnight 14:21:47 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:22:48 <Ammler> M :P 14:25:29 *** roboboy [3aad2910@67.207.141.120] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:26:13 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has joined #openttd 14:26:25 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:27:53 *** thgergo [~thgergo@members.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [] 14:29:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F7BE.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:39 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F7BE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:34:55 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40:52 <Zuu> To improve the edit boxes my modified openttd verison keeps track of currently focused widget (last clicked) and if that is an edit box, the parent window recives all input as query windows does today. 14:42:43 <Zuu> There is still plenty of work to lift the limit of only one text box per window, but it is a neccessary step towards that. 14:46:00 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:07 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:50:58 *** yorick is now known as Guest6779 14:50:59 *** Guest6779 [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:01 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:33 *** Dr_AFKyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0E2B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:55:18 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 14:56:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA64.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:57:15 *** Sacro_ [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 14:57:15 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:58:20 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DC6D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:01:38 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:03:28 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has quit [] 15:06:47 *** GoneWacko [~GoneWacko@dhcp-077-249-197-241.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:10:12 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F7BE.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:11:34 *** Wolf01 is now known as Wolf01|AWAY 15:16:33 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F7BE.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:21:37 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:24:21 *** dfox [~dfox@r9eh58.net.upc.cz] has joined #openttd 15:29:00 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 15:34:49 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5F7BE.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:46:44 *** yorick is now known as Guest6784 15:46:44 *** Guest6784 [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:45 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 15:47:38 <Zuu> Hmm, it is hard to step through the code of the network msg box as you get disconnected by pausing the code so long.. :-) 15:49:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r14313 /trunk/ (9 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Move functions dealing with the EngineRenew pool to their own file. 15:51:31 *** Sacro_ is now known as Sacro 15:55:38 <yorick> Zuu: try changing net_frame_freq and net_sync_freq, you can stay connected longer then 15:55:42 <yorick> I think 15:56:04 <Zuu> yorick: I enabled the chat window in single-player as I only need to debug the GUI-part of it. 15:56:34 <Zuu> Or more specific how it interact with the OSK-window. 15:57:00 <Zuu> But thank you for the info. 16:01:29 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:04:38 <Zuu> Hm, the problem exists in trunk too, if you use the OSK to type in the chat-box the text box in the OSK does not get repainted as it should. (it get's repainted with several seconds intervall) 16:05:13 *** reven [reven@239.81-167-85.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:21 <reven> hello 16:05:26 <FauxFaux> Really? I thought OSK used SendInput or wahtever it's called. 16:05:42 <reven> any coders in here? 16:05:46 <FauxFaux> Zuu: Wfm. 16:05:49 <FauxFaux> reven: Yes. 16:05:53 <reven> nice 16:05:56 <Ammler> Hi reven, just liked to quote you here: http://paste.openttd.org/91675 :-) 16:06:01 <reven> have a question if you dont mind 16:06:02 <Zuu> FauxFaux: wfm? 16:06:09 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:17 <FauxFaux> Zuu: OSK "works for me", as in, acts like a normal keyboard. 16:06:29 <reven> (ammler) huh? 16:06:35 <reven> quote me? 16:06:40 <reven> you lost me :) 16:06:45 <reven> wot? 16:06:58 <Zuu> FauxFaux: If you click in the chat-box to open the OSK, and then type a message with your keyboard does the text in the OSK get updated for you? 16:07:52 <Zuu> Note that when you type with your keyboard the input gets handeled by the chat-box and not by the OSK, the OSK can't even handle text-input by keyboard. 16:08:09 <Zuu> The edit-box in it is only for appearance :-) 16:08:34 <FauxFaux> We are talking about Windows' OSK, right? Can't work it out from the scrollback. 16:08:51 <Zuu> I'm talking about the OSK in OpenTTD. 16:08:59 <FauxFaux> There's an OSK in OpenTTD? :) 16:09:03 <Zuu> Yes :) 16:09:08 <FauxFaux> Cool. How/where? 16:09:11 <Zuu> Just click on a text input field. 16:09:50 <reven> does anyone know hot to get a bigger ratio of smaller houses in ottd? 16:09:55 <FauxFaux> Pro. 16:10:08 <reven> looks abit silly with pop 1500 and skyscrapers 16:10:38 <Zuu> reven: the pop is in game scale, not in real life scale. 16:10:51 <reven> true 16:10:59 <reven> but still? 16:11:08 <reven> is there anyway to change that? 16:11:12 <reven> the ratio i mean? 16:11:32 <Zuu> As sure as you can do anything with OpenTTD by just spending enough time with the code ;-) 16:11:49 <reven> so theres not a function already? 16:11:51 <reven> kk 16:11:55 <Zuu> I don't know. 16:12:03 <reven> i dont have c++ you see 16:12:06 <frosch123> reven: you can do it with newgrf: http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=Action0Houses#Probability_18_ 16:12:11 <reven> is there a trial version of that? 16:12:16 <reven> or freeware :) ? 16:12:25 <Zuu> reven: Go learn newgrf 16:12:37 <reven> nice frosch 16:12:40 <reven> thanks 16:12:48 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has joined #openttd 16:13:05 <reven> where do i find the grf program zuu? 16:13:17 <Zuu> There are tools to help with newgrf but I think you still need to learn quite some yourself. 16:13:23 <reven> sure 16:13:36 <reven> but where do i go to learn it? 16:13:40 <Zuu> I don't know, but I would look on the ttdpatch wiki. 16:13:45 <reven> kk 16:13:57 <reven> can i combine a patch function with ottd? 16:14:39 <Zuu> Both ttdpatch and ottd uses newgrf format. Be observant that they do not implement the exact same set of specified features. 16:14:39 <reven> or combine a patch with the 0.6.2 version? 16:14:57 <Zuu> Are you talking about TTDPatch or a patch for OpenTTD? 16:15:07 <Zuu> as in a .patch file 16:15:07 <frosch123> reven: there are about 5 different meanings of "patch" in the context of ttd 16:15:13 <reven> ah 16:15:22 <reven> apologies 16:15:26 <reven> what i mean is 16:15:27 <Ammler> frosch123: you fixed one :-) 16:16:04 <reven> is there any way for me to implement the patch frosch was talking about but still keep version 0.06.2 where the function is not added? 16:16:12 <Ammler> !s/fixed/removed/ 16:16:50 <Zuu> reven: what frosch123 suggested was to use a newgrf, which is not a patch. 16:17:09 <reven> oh 16:17:17 <reven> right 16:17:20 <reven> my bad 16:17:23 <reven> didnt see that 16:17:41 <reven> i thought he was talking about an older patch addon to the original ttd 16:17:52 <reven> kk 16:17:54 <reven> tx 16:17:59 <reven> ill check it out 16:24:59 *** reven [reven@239.81-167-85.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:09 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 16:25:32 *** reven [reven@239.81-167-85.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 16:26:02 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:26:06 <guru3> thought you all might be interested that irchighway just sent out a network notice to come play openttd with them >< 16:27:24 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:27:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Bjarni] by ChanServ 16:28:29 <Indoril> I already know since I sent the notice ;) 16:29:57 <guru3> ah well 16:29:58 <guru3> *waves* 16:30:05 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:31:04 <Sacro> BJARNI! 16:31:18 <ln> well i wasn't expecting a danish inquisition 16:31:28 <Sacro> irchighway? 16:31:31 <Sacro> network notice? 16:31:39 <Bjarni> err 16:31:42 <Bjarni> what goes on here? 16:31:47 <Bjarni> danish inquisition? 16:32:00 <guru3> Sacro: yes, a network wide message on the irchighway irc network 16:32:07 <Sacro> orly 16:32:09 <ln> Bjarni: are you familiar with monty python? 16:32:17 <Bjarni> yes 16:32:23 <Sacro> NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION 16:32:36 <Bjarni> he is a British politician, right? 16:32:40 <Sacro> Bjarni: yes 16:32:45 <Sacro> minister of silly walks 16:32:50 <TrueBrain> ALBATROS! 16:33:02 <Sacro> albertos? 16:33:13 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:32 <TrueBrain> typing is hard these days, don't you agree? :) 16:33:44 <Bjarni> A Danish shoe company once hired JOhn Cleese to do funny walks for a commercial. However at that time they didn't expect people to understand English so it was a commercial with no speech, only music and signs 16:34:20 <TrueBrain> talking in that is a bit useless anyway 16:34:49 *** Zorn [zorn@e177238200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:42:20 <reven> cant find my newgrfw.cfg file any ideas? 16:43:49 <peter1138> Yeah, there isn't one. 16:44:04 <peter1138> So who's heard of this irchighway network? :p 16:44:52 <reven> created one. never mind 16:45:12 <Ammler> but you will... 16:48:10 *** yorick_ [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:48:16 *** yorick_ is now known as yorick 16:49:40 <Ammler> can we remove that "sleep 5" in config.lib as we now can't use -n without same revision anymore and need to overwrite the revision. 16:50:42 <Ammler> I assume, someone who use "--revision=rXX" knows, what he does, and don't need that warning. 16:51:19 <peter1138> Huh? 16:51:28 <peter1138> Can't use -n? 16:51:56 <Ammler> you need the same revision as the server now, else you get a "network protocol" error 16:52:15 <peter1138> You always did, or at least always should've done. 16:52:30 <Ammler> no, that was a recent change 16:52:38 <Ammler> about a month ago 16:52:39 <peter1138> No it's not. 16:53:18 <Ammler> hmm 16:53:20 <TrueBrain> that is active from the moment I rewrote the network protocol .. like, what, 2 years ago? 16:53:45 <Ammler> then it was possible on some revisions between :-) 16:53:48 <yorick> TrueBrain : it was not 16:53:56 <yorick> the WITH_REV flag got removed 16:54:02 <yorick> and was only checked there 16:54:09 <yorick> so it was possible to join servers console-wise 16:54:22 <yorick> that did not match the revision 16:54:26 <TrueBrain> so that was a bug 16:54:29 <TrueBrain> clearly :) 16:54:33 <Ammler> I saw that as feature :P 16:54:33 <yorick> more like a "feature" 16:54:49 <TrueBrain> client and server of different revisions is really bad, in all cases :) 16:54:54 <TrueBrain> wanting that ... sucks 16:54:55 <yorick> nope 16:54:57 <yorick> not always 16:54:59 <Ammler> it was fixed from blathijs, I guess. 16:55:01 <TrueBrain> and so the 'sleep' is required 16:55:02 <TrueBrain> to point that out :) 16:55:02 <peter1138> So basically you're complaining about the 5 second pause? 16:55:08 <peter1138> Well... tough. 16:55:18 <yorick> for example the hg <-> git <-> svn 16:55:24 <TrueBrain> if the sleep annoys you, you shouldn't be using it :) 16:55:29 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has joined #openttd 16:56:16 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I have around 5 patches I like to use independent from trunk/server... 16:56:20 <yorick> if you use the flag, clearly you know what you're doing 16:56:25 <yorick> ^^ 16:56:26 <peter1138> Clearly not. 16:56:32 <TrueBrain> I tend to agree with peter1138 :) 16:56:46 <yorick> you are devs, we are end users 16:56:56 <yorick> see the difference :'* 16:56:57 <Ammler> well, we drive from topic as always... 16:57:13 <SmatZ> Ammler: add a patch that removes that sleep :-P 16:57:16 <Ammler> but the answer seems not, it is ok :-) 16:57:24 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: don't give him ideas :p 16:57:29 <SmatZ> ah sorry :) 16:57:43 <yorick> if you know what the --revision does, it slows the process of compiling down by 5 unneeded seconds 16:57:47 <Ammler> SmatZ: obvious... 16:58:00 <yorick> doesn't/didn't the compile farm force revisions? 16:58:15 <SmatZ> :-) 16:58:35 <Ammler> I just like to help you optimize code :P 16:58:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:58 <TrueBrain> yorick: I wish it was true, that ever user using --revision knows what it does ... 16:59:12 <TrueBrain> last time SmatZ was telling me that --without-makedepend removes the dep-check ... (hehe, sorry SmatZ :)) 16:59:29 <TrueBrain> (I couldn't resist ... /me hugs SmatZ :)) 16:59:30 <yorick> lets get --revision --without-annoying-revision-warning 16:59:41 <TrueBrain> lets get: --#openttd-without-yorick 16:59:59 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: I was joking :-x 16:59:59 <Ammler> please stop, it is ok... 17:00:05 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: :p :p :) :) 17:00:08 <yorick> would be such a better place for everyone that chooses to be there by themselves :-) 17:00:56 <Ammler> I include that "skip" in my other "neverintrunk.diff" 17:01:01 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/91722 17:01:55 <yorick> meh, failed 17:02:16 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/91727 17:02:18 <yorick> that's the one 17:03:16 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FB34.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:03:27 <yorick> log 1 "WARNING: this version is only allowed by game servers that" <-- that's incorrect, it is not possible anymore, I think 17:07:06 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14314 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: pay for two road bits when adding/removing roadtype at drive through road stop/level crossing 17:11:47 <TrueBrain> Ammler: poke 17:11:57 <Ammler> TrueBrain: ? 17:12:10 <TrueBrain> well .. I told you you would notice, and I sure you will 17:12:14 <TrueBrain> but I wanted to poke you nevertheless 17:12:26 <Ammler> so today is the day? 17:12:39 <Ammler> or more tonight :-) 17:12:44 <TrueBrain> more right now 17:12:51 <TrueBrain> @op 17:12:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o TrueBrain] by DorpsGek 17:13:07 *** TrueBrain changed the topic of #openttd to: 0.6.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (Translator: translator2, Gameservers: servers, Nightly-builds: nightly, WIKI: wiki, Dev-docs: docs, Patches & Bug-reports: bugs, Revision log: vcs, Release info: finger) | #openttd.notice for FS + SVN notices | UTF-8 please | No Unauthorised Bots | We Love YAPP | THIS IS NOT A PSYCHIC SUPPORT CHANNEL 17:13:13 *** mode/#openttd [-o TrueBrain] by TrueBrain 17:14:15 <reven> anyone know how i read a pcx file? 17:14:26 <Ammler> gimp 17:14:28 <reven> cant find the vugraphics program 17:14:30 <yorick> open it with a sane imaging program 17:14:44 <yorick> gimp, photoshop, paint shop pro 17:14:58 <peter1138> Deluxe Paint! 17:15:02 <reven> k 17:15:05 <yorick> paint.net 17:15:11 <reven> nice 17:15:12 <reven> tx 17:15:44 <Ammler> reven: do you chat over a phone? 17:17:49 <Ammler> TrueBrain: will nightly.openttd.org go down? 17:17:57 <TrueBrain> Ammler: most likely 17:18:02 <TrueBrain> first I need to fix a STUPID bug .. 17:18:07 <Ammler> or will it kept for old nightlies 17:18:16 <TrueBrain> nope 17:18:36 <reven> i can chat over a headset yes 17:18:49 <reven> skype for instance 17:19:10 <Ammler> reven: I asked because of your short lines... 17:19:28 <reven> ah 17:19:37 <reven> like that one? 17:19:40 <reven> :) 17:20:32 <yorick> there's a small chat glitch...http://clanmega.warlink.eu/yorick/chatglitch.png 17:20:50 <SmatZ> yorick: known 17:21:01 <yorick> yes, not on the bug tracker 17:21:04 <yorick> and quite annoying 17:21:07 <SmatZ> :) 17:21:07 <peter1138> You shouldn't talk to yourself. 17:23:03 <yorick> other problem is that they don't clear when paused 17:23:19 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577AF9A2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:40 <SmatZ> yorick: Ctrl+R 17:24:46 * Ammler is looking forward to see new homepage :-) 17:25:04 <yorick> is it there yet? 17:26:56 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14315 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: allow adding roadtypes only to drive-through road stops 17:27:37 <TrueBrain> Ammler: you should have reloaded at the correct time ... 17:27:55 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:59 <yorick> ? 17:28:28 <TrueBrain> ARGH! I HATE FASTCGI! :( 17:28:29 <FauxFaux> Is GEPAUZEERED really (german?) for paused? <3 17:28:47 <yorick> not german 17:29:20 <FauxFaux> Some middle-european language, at least. Norweegish? Not enough dots around the letters. 17:29:29 <FauxFaux> Dutch. 17:29:34 <yorick> good 17:29:37 <Ammler> gepaused 17:29:41 * yorick gives ff a cookie 17:29:45 <FauxFaux> Cunning use of /whois. 17:29:45 <Ammler> gepausd 17:30:38 <Ammler> hmm, how is it spelled in German? 17:31:17 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g226209086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:19 <frosch123> Ammler: "pausiert" 17:33:37 <Ammler> hmm 17:33:51 <SmatZ> without "ge"? strange :) 17:34:28 <Ammler> well the translation for paused is "Angehalten" 17:34:51 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 17:34:55 <SmatZ> Ammler: I guess the same is for "stopped" :) 17:35:27 <Ammler> good hint, another bug in the translation :-) 17:35:29 <Zuu> Do we have any equivivalent to [code] at FlySpray? 17:36:11 *** nappe1_ [ohj8laka@adsl-109-202-79.kymp.net] has quit [] 17:36:51 <Zuu> Someone who is bored may want to have a look at http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2296 - after 3 hours I've yet to find the reason for this bug... :/ 17:37:12 <TrueBrain> Ammler: now would be a good time to hit reload 17:37:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r14316 /trunk/src/road_cmd.cpp: -Fix: do not allow building road over level crossings and drive-through road stops in the wrong direction even when the roadtype is present 17:37:37 <Ammler> yep, just did :-) 17:38:11 <SmatZ> Zuu: thanks for your effort :) 17:38:20 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179177228.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:20 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:38:22 <yorick> ooh 17:38:28 <peter1138> -Fix (what) ? 17:38:39 <Zuu> SmatZ: Thanks for thanking me :-) 17:39:16 <SmatZ> peter1138: multiple revisions... when you tried to build a road over level crossing in the wrong axis, you didn't get any error message 17:39:33 <yorick> TB: need me to translate to NL? 17:40:08 <TrueBrain> yorick: not at this stage 17:40:14 <yorick> ok :) 17:40:52 <Ammler> nice page 17:41:01 <yorick> the serverlist is being slow 17:41:03 <Ammler> where do I get the download page? 17:41:25 <yorick> above the news button 17:41:34 <Ammler> ah seperate button :-) 17:41:38 <yorick> /frontpage/ 17:42:11 <TrueBrain> Ammler: how blind can one be? :p 17:42:27 <yorick> "Latest User Screenshot of 0.6.2" <-- screenshot if of 0.5, not of 0.6.2 17:42:35 <yorick> is* 17:43:04 * TrueBrain wonders if there will come anything positive from yorick's mouth, or that he just has complains .. 17:43:14 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm149.epsilon123.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:43:17 <yorick> nono complains 17:43:19 <yorick> bug reports 17:43:31 <yorick> it's all very nice :-) 17:44:14 <SmatZ> very nice 17:44:16 <Ammler> is that GRF flag new on the server list? 17:44:48 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 17:45:06 <Zuu> You are talking about the website redesign are you? .... Oh, the main page have changed now.. 17:45:09 <Zuu> :-) 17:45:19 <TrueBrain> Ammler: yes, only the grf flag is new, the rest is all like it was days ago :p 17:45:30 <TrueBrain> (lol) 17:45:52 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has quit [Quit: changing servers] 17:46:20 <Ammler> TrueBrain: I like that, most will only have it because of generic trams, but still 17:46:31 <TrueBrain> Ammler: indeed :) 17:46:41 <TrueBrain> still many somehow don't ... :p 17:46:57 <Ammler> oh 17:47:01 <FauxFaux> D: at shift-right 1s in window.cpp. :( 17:47:13 <Ammler> we need to shorten our title 17:48:07 <TrueBrain> anyway, Ammler, and also you, Zuu, please use http://finger.openttd.org to fetch data about revisions and stuff :) 17:48:11 <FauxFaux> The new website dislikes my Opera / min font size enforcement. :) 17:48:22 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: explain? :) 17:48:55 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Is it "stable" now? 17:49:11 <Zuu> Or rather will the old stuff be closed down soon? 17:49:20 <peter1138> So finger doesn't work? :( 17:49:28 <TrueBrain> Zuu: as in: now 17:49:38 <peter1138> finger: connect: Connection refused 17:49:40 <peter1138> :( 17:49:47 <TrueBrain> peter1138: hehe :) That you still have a finger client .. :p 17:50:01 <FauxFaux> TrueBrain: Buttons and boxes overflow. Who's in charge, will they accept patches? I don't mind fixing for Opera. 17:50:08 <Zuu> Oh, my server status page show broken URL on all the old stuff. Guess it IS time to update then :-) 17:50:09 <FauxFaux> http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/openttdnewsite1.png 17:50:22 *** Chris82 [~chatzilla@p579E0D7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:50:27 <Zuu> http://users.tt-forums.net/ottdau/UpdateServer/StatusPage/ 17:50:28 <Chris82> hey hey :) 17:50:32 <Chris82> cool new design on openttd.org 17:50:34 <peter1138> Oh, there's a new site. 17:50:41 <yorick> http://paste.openttd.org/91771 <-- this should fix the chat glitch 17:50:43 <peter1138> How... 17:50:46 <peter1138> Well... 17:50:49 <Chris82> just a quick question 17:50:56 <peter1138> Needs more whitespace and less grey bollocks at the top. 17:51:00 <Chris82> how can I disable industry closings in the source code? 17:51:05 <yorick> try grep 17:51:19 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: nice overflowing :) But not much there is to fix about that .. 17:51:24 <Chris82> although I have turned industry to stable there are so damn many closings every year (with latest trunk that is) 17:51:50 <TrueBrain> sorry Zuu :) this new system does work better :) 17:51:52 <Zuu> yorick: chat glitch is not the OSK problem but another problem related to the network message window? 17:52:01 <yorick> yes 17:52:02 <peter1138> Hmm, yes. This site is a bit gay when you use a larger font size. 17:52:06 <Ammler> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/101 <-- do you see the whole title? 17:52:18 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no 17:52:22 <Zuu> TrueBrain: No problem, Rubidium told me 1-2 weeks ago, so I have had time to update.. :) 17:52:24 <SmatZ> yorick: there is difference between hack that somehow fixes the issue and a fix that you can prove it should be right... what kind of update is your patch? 17:52:34 <SmatZ> Ammler: no 17:52:37 <yorick> it does +2 17:52:50 <yorick> Chris82: industry_cmd.cpp line 2180 17:52:51 <TrueBrain> Ammler: didn't I tell you? How ever much time you give them, they only start fixing when the old is no longer working ;) 17:53:04 <SmatZ> yorick: yeah :) I wonder if it will work when you change font or so... 17:53:09 <Chris82> thx yorick I check it out 17:53:15 <Zuu> At least currently people will not have the old problem of that their OTTDAU clients telling them that there is an update when the server can't find what is last version. 17:53:32 <Ammler> TrueBrain: and I gave you right at the end :-) 17:53:44 <FauxFaux> (Large fonts are pro, btw) 17:53:47 <peter1138> How can I switch back to the old site? 17:53:49 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I just wanted to point out that I am even proven right ;) 17:53:51 <TrueBrain> peter1138: not 17:53:58 <peter1138> Oh. 17:54:13 <Ammler> more then another style 17:54:44 <yorick> how can I change the background color not to have this much contrast with the foreground without making it look stupid? 17:55:06 <Chris82> Yorick: Do you think it's better to comment that part of the code out or just replace the true in line 2182 by false? 17:55:27 <Chris82> I am not really sure wheter this will also prevent the closedown messages or just prevent the closedown and still show a closedown message 17:55:28 <yorick> Chris82: I think you should look for closeit and remove the whole closeit 17:55:35 <Chris82> kk 17:55:54 <yorick> setting closeit to false should do both 17:56:01 <Ammler> Chris82: also possible with newgrf 17:56:06 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux / peter1138: disable the CSS, and you will be fine with large font ;) 17:56:06 <SmatZ> yorick: the best way will be to open a FS task and attach your patch :) 17:56:18 <yorick> SmatZ: heh 17:56:21 <Chris82> Ammler: Yes? Which one? 17:56:27 <yorick> need to go now 17:56:30 *** yorick [~Yorick@82-171-205-190.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 17:57:01 <peter1138> I guess I can just tweak it to make it work, as it's in svn. 17:57:06 <peter1138> Or used to be :p 17:57:12 <TrueBrain> peter1138: current website is not in SVN yet 17:57:23 <TrueBrain> and there is very little that can be done about big fonts overflowing .. 17:57:28 <Ammler> Chris82: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=39564 <-- example how you make lumber mill available 17:58:48 <Chris82> hmmm this does not really do what I want I think? I just want that the existing industry don't close down even if they are not serviced :) unfortunately I have no idea how to edit grfs myself as all the tools for it don't work on my OS 17:59:02 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: any suggestions are welcome :) 17:59:07 <Ammler> http://wiki.ttdpatch.net/tiki-index.php?page=IndustryDefaultProps <-- properity 08 to 0 17:59:28 <FauxFaux> Laziness seems the best option. 17:59:33 <Ammler> Chris82: which os? 18:00:13 <Chris82> Server 2008 18:00:25 <TrueBrain> in fact, it is only the navigation that is a problem ... 18:01:47 <Chris82> I thought there would be some kind of probability of a closedown stored somewhere in industry_cmd.cpp but I am too blind to find it if there is one 18:03:45 *** reven [reven@239.81-167-85.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: You have an unusual magnetic personality. DonŽt walk too close to metal objects which are not fastened down.] 18:05:10 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: here, this fixes most of the problems ;) 18:05:31 <TrueBrain> just FF for some reason removes the navigation bar with an odd font-size amount :p 18:06:03 <Chris82> I wonder why at line 2105 industry_cmd.cpp closeit is true by default when smooth economy is enabled 18:06:25 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-55.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 18:06:35 <peter1138> Presumably it is set to false later on... 18:06:52 <Chris82> and the comment in line 2137 doesn't fit the code below, because the comment says do not stop closing while the code below is doing just that 18:07:16 <Zuu> Weee, smart thinking here.. loop through all windows and when finding the window that matches a certain pointer do something with that window. Much smarter to instead use the pointer straight ahead... :-D 18:07:38 <Zuu> (my own code) 18:08:30 <Zuu> Or rather what is left of the window key input loop after me changing the internals of it. 18:08:58 <Chris82> ok I think it's just misleading, because closeit is true by default the comment says close when foo and when foo is not the case the statement below sets closeit to false 18:09:31 <Chris82> I think it would be better the other way round though because then you can explicitly say when to close an industry and not miss cases where it shouldn't be closed but it is because of the default value for closeit 18:13:57 <Ammler> I dislike this only debian support 18:14:54 <TrueBrain> Ammler: which only debian? 18:15:23 <peter1138> There's generic binaries too. 18:15:26 <Ammler> for the stable, you get the feeling other distros hasn't a build. 18:15:37 <peter1138> Oh, for stable. 18:15:52 <TrueBrain> Ammler: will change with the next release :) 18:16:05 <TrueBrain> the simple truth is nobody ever build them for stables .. 18:17:15 <Ammler> well, they are in the repos of the distros itself 18:17:37 <TrueBrain> yup :) 18:17:50 <Ammler> maybe you could like there? http://packman.links2linux.de/package/openttd 18:17:54 <TrueBrain> that is linux ;) No need to publish binaries for distros .. they do it theirselves :p 18:18:24 <TrueBrain> Ammler: there are like 100 places with binaries for all kinds of distros .. impossible to keep such a list up-to-date 18:19:21 <Ammler> ok, understandable... 18:19:47 <TrueBrain> although I hope to be able to publish rpms via the compile-farm soon.. 18:19:49 <TrueBrain> but that is tricky 18:20:01 <peter1138> Trickier than OS X binaries? ;) 18:20:09 <TrueBrain> not by far 18:20:11 <peter1138> :) 18:20:12 <TrueBrain> OS X sucks 18:20:51 <TrueBrain> if only they would use GNU binutils ... 18:22:04 <Ammler> TrueBrain: it isn't that important that you can "install" nightlies 18:22:18 <Ammler> I am not sure, there are people around, which would like to 18:23:05 <TrueBrain> there are always people around like that ;) 18:23:10 <Ammler> but maybe a note at the download page, that you should check your download repo of the distro 18:23:12 <TrueBrain> we even have MorphOS users .. :p :p 18:23:15 <Ammler> or is that obvious? 18:23:28 <TrueBrain> good idea :) 18:23:46 <Ammler> I have installed only stable OpenTTD from the packman 18:24:01 <Ammler> the nightlies are all uesed as usual folders 18:24:10 <Ammler> just "make" 18:24:22 <TrueBrain> oops, error in website ... 'latest' nightly is never reloaded from disk :p 18:24:36 <peter1138> Harr harr! 18:26:04 *** Swallow_ [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]] 18:26:13 <TrueBrain> anyway, nightly was produced correctly :) Yeah! 18:26:31 <frosch123> but not on #openttd.notice :p 18:26:50 <TrueBrain> no XMLRPC link yet 18:26:53 <TrueBrain> on my TODO :p 18:27:21 <frosch123> but, yeah, sunos does no longer fail :) 18:27:44 <TrueBrain> it is no longer produced either :p 18:27:59 <TrueBrain> 0 downloads ... :p 18:28:18 <frosch123> nor dedicated servers 18:28:41 <TrueBrain> also, never downloaded :p 18:29:15 *** gummywormz [~gummyworm@c-98-227-117-195.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:29:39 <gummywormz> need help installing the game 18:30:13 <TrueBrain> but if there is any demand for a dedicated server, it will be produced again 18:36:31 <gummywormz> ... 18:37:23 <Zuu> gummywormz: What have you done yet? 18:37:33 <TrueBrain> gummywormz: you might want to try to be a bit more specific 18:37:43 <TrueBrain> like walking into a supermarket and yelling: I want to buy stuff! :) 18:38:35 <gummywormz> :( 18:38:49 <gummywormz> when i download the .dmg file it says mounting failed 18:39:47 <Zuu> Now you have told us much more, you've told that you use MacOSX and probably gave people that know MacOSX a hint of what gone wrong. 18:40:01 <gummywormz> woot? 18:40:38 <Zuu> Or have I mistaken something, isn't .dmg for MacOSX? 18:41:18 <gummywormz> dmg is for mac yes 18:41:26 <gummywormz> ok got a specific error tis time 18:41:34 <gummywormz> i ca download the file this time 18:41:49 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:42:00 <gummywormz> it says can't mount due to error 95 (no mountable file systems) 18:42:36 <gummywormz> can* 18:43:06 <SmatZ> I removed HFS support (of whatever it was) from my kernel, can't test, sorry :-/ 18:43:27 <gummywormz> :( 18:43:50 <peter1138> 42GB! 18:44:04 <TrueBrain> peter1138: you like to yell random numbers, don't you? :) 18:44:36 <gummywormz> hmmm 18:44:58 <SmatZ> but nobody else complained... what OSX version do you have? 18:45:14 <gummywormz> 10.2.8 :/ 18:45:26 <SmatZ> that's outdated, sorry :-x 18:45:38 <yorick> TB: 42 is not so random :-P 18:45:58 <gummywormz> hmmm 18:46:26 <Ammler> [20:30] <TrueBrain> but if there is any demand for a dedicated server, it will be produced again <-- I was once asked for stable dedicated server 18:46:26 <gummywormz> i have idea 18:46:27 <TrueBrain> Ammler: once? :p 18:46:30 <TrueBrain> hehehehehe 18:46:33 <Ammler> :-) 18:46:46 <SmatZ> @openttd commit 7588 18:46:47 <DorpsGek> SmatZ: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 18:46:56 <TrueBrain> I will at least write the VM to produce dedicated servers, if we get an other request, I will add it :) 18:46:58 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: ^^^ :-P 18:47:01 <TrueBrain> SmatZ: wht did you do :( 18:47:04 <yorick> @openttd commit r7588 18:47:04 <DorpsGek> yorick: Invalid arguments for _commit. 18:47:28 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 18:47:28 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 18:47:41 <Ammler> hmm, why do we compile them self? 18:47:43 <SmatZ> gummywormz: anyway, 10.3.9 has been required for at least 2 years... 18:47:44 <gummywormz> woot? 18:47:53 <gummywormz> i will upgrade it 18:48:16 <frosch123> but don't upgrade to 10.5, as that won't work again IIRC 18:48:23 <TrueBrain> ExpatError: junk after document element: line 2, column 0 18:48:23 <TrueBrain> ERROR 2008-09-13T18:47:28 supybot Exception id: 0x6e488 18:48:24 <TrueBrain> lol 18:48:30 <TrueBrain> frosch123: it does for PPC, and it does for stable ;) 18:48:37 <SmatZ> yeah :) nightlys don't work with 10.5, releases with 10.3 :) 18:48:42 <SmatZ> so get 10.4 :) 18:48:59 <TrueBrain> lol, of course it fails .. lol :) 18:49:08 <frosch123> ok, so all released nighlies work now :) 18:49:14 *** gummywormz [~gummyworm@c-98-227-117-195.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:27 <peter1138> Don't Apple charge for these minor updates? 18:50:43 <SmatZ> so does Microsoft 18:50:45 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 18:50:45 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 18:50:48 <TrueBrain> grr 18:51:12 <peter1138> SmatZ, they at least pretend they're major updates ;) 18:51:14 *** gummywormz [~gummyworm@c-98-227-117-195.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:51:30 <SmatZ> :) 18:51:41 <gummywormz> yeah but i still should be able to mount the file 18:51:57 <TrueBrain> @openttd commit 7588 18:51:57 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by bjarni :: r7588 /trunk (4 files in 3 dirs) (2006-12-28 01:24:00 UTC) 18:51:58 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: -Change: [OSX] removed the flag JAGUAR since it didn't work anyway 18:51:59 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Also removed all the Makefile code regarding this flag since it's no longer needed 18:52:00 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Removed documentation about special limitations regarding running the game on OSX 10.2 18:52:01 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: OpenTTD now officially needs OSX 10.3.9 to work correctly (the trunk needed that for months) 18:52:20 <gummywormz> yeah ok 18:52:33 <gummywormz> but i STILL should be able to mount the file 18:54:12 <gummywormz> when i would be able to click the file it should come up unsupported operating system or something 18:54:30 <TrueBrain> say you spent 10 hours fixing that, you still wouldn't be able to run it :) 18:54:39 <SmatZ> hheeheh 18:55:02 <gummywormz> but still :/ 18:55:28 <gummywormz> i need to repair privledges anyway 18:55:47 <TrueBrain> so you want us to go through all kind of loopholes to show you an error? 18:55:48 <gummywormz> hopefully that'll fix this annoying kernel crash thing 18:56:02 <TrueBrain> (in general it is really hard to show 'unsupproted' messages ;)) 18:56:16 <gummywormz> :/ 18:56:20 <TrueBrain> gummywormz: consider upgrading to 10.4 :) 18:56:25 <gummywormz> i will 18:56:39 <gummywormz> i meant to send the e-mail to aks my friend for it days ago :P 18:57:11 <gummywormz> i still have an xp at home 18:57:17 <gummywormz> so i can use it there 18:57:50 * FauxFaux centers the status bar on whatever window happens to be largest. 18:59:14 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B82F1A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:09 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:24 <gummywormz> ok trying to mount it now 19:01:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B83DDE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:01:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 19:01:53 <gummywormz> grrrr 19:02:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:02:28 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-221-113.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:47 <gummywormz> hmmmm 19:04:28 <FauxFaux> http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/openttd-multimonpos.png \o/ 19:05:17 <FauxFaux> peter1138: That what you ordered? :p 19:05:41 <gummywormz> GRACKLE! 19:05:49 <gummywormz> hmm lemme test something 19:05:58 <TrueBrain> "A benign corporate office suddenly becomes the sexual playground for a lesbian vampire who likes to watch her female victims seduce one another. With a drop-dead gorgeous body and typing skills to match, Monique is the perfect secretary. Her desire to cast fatal spells upon sexy co-workers and spy on their bouts of lovemaking brings her to the attention of Carl - spineless cable guy-turned-fearless vampire hunter." <- wtf?!?! People can make such weird 19:05:58 <TrueBrain> movies ... 19:06:15 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:33 <hylje> sounds perfectly reasonable 19:07:11 <FauxFaux> I want to watch it, what's it called? 19:07:17 <TrueBrain> well, maybe if you are looking for porn movies .. I was just browsing the 'Action' category :( 19:07:45 <yorick> that's hidden porn 19:08:06 <TrueBrain> Sex Hex 2007 DVDRip XviD-FiCO 19:08:14 <FauxFaux> Maybe you should move out of the "women on women action" category. 19:08:29 <gummywormz> AHA! 19:08:34 <Ammler> I know, it is game about money, but I can't get used to that logo... 19:08:37 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: DOH! :( 19:08:40 <gummywormz> you may want to check your file 19:08:53 <gummywormz> i downloaded a test file and it works fine 19:09:15 <TrueBrain> gummywormz: you may want to update your OS 19:09:16 <Ammler> I will miss that most from the old page :-) 19:09:16 <gummywormz> so ya may wanna check the file to so if it's working properly 19:09:20 <TrueBrain> as I donwloaded the file, and it works fine 19:09:36 <TrueBrain> poor Ammler :p 19:09:38 <SmatZ> [21:06:00] <TrueBrain> "A benign corporate office suddenly <== what movies is it? 19:09:46 <SmatZ> ahh sex hex 19:09:47 <SmatZ> :) 19:09:54 <Ammler> :-) 19:09:57 <gummywormz> :) 19:10:00 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@80.247.163.107] has joined #openttd 19:10:34 <gummywormz> i'm off 19:10:43 <gummywormz> for now 19:10:53 <gummywormz> i'll try it on my XP computer 19:10:57 *** gummywormz [~gummyworm@c-98-227-117-195.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 19:11:05 <TrueBrain> how insisting can a person be .... omg .. 19:11:48 <SmatZ> http://www.openttd.org/cs/screenshots looks... empty :-/ 19:12:05 <TrueBrain> IE 6? 19:12:21 <TrueBrain> oh 19:12:22 <peter1138> Firefox. 19:12:25 <TrueBrain> it even looks empty here 19:12:29 <TrueBrain> I guess I moved a bit too much dirs :p 19:14:30 <TrueBrain> http://www.freeciv-forever.com/index.html <- hahaha :) I want that for OpenTTD too!!!! :p 19:16:30 <SmatZ> :) 19:17:08 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:17:10 <TrueBrain> but first we should port OpenTTD to OSX 10.2 .. to make one user happy 19:17:29 <TrueBrain> (btw, screenshots fixed) 19:18:14 <SmatZ> TrueBrain: thanks :) now I have to wait for caches to update.. 19:18:28 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-221-113.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:18:39 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=728558#p728558 <-- Truebrain, Nullio is offering Leopard compile service now 19:18:46 <planetmaker> ... if you devs want it :) 19:19:39 <peter1138> Which is can be played online! 19:20:55 <SmatZ> ENOPARSE? 19:21:05 <peter1138> Quite. 19:21:18 <peter1138> From the Freeciv-Forever site. 19:21:40 <SmatZ> :) 19:24:20 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: see a while back a conversation with lobster 19:24:26 <TrueBrain> we won't link to it, neither support it 19:24:30 <TrueBrain> (simply: untrusted source) 19:25:02 <planetmaker> ok, I didn't see that discussion. Hm... sad... :S 19:25:19 <Wolf01|AWAY> bye 19:25:23 <planetmaker> no link with a strong disclaimer like "here it is, but we don't support it"? 19:25:34 *** Wolf01|AWAY [~wolf01@79.0.236.137] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 19:25:53 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: and what is next? Links to Windows Mobile binaries? (where they have a donate page which doesn't donate to us) 19:26:06 <TrueBrain> before we know it we have a long list with all kind of obscure links to places we don't know neither trust 19:26:13 <TrueBrain> doesn't really ... help :) 19:26:27 <TrueBrain> so, the forum is as good as place as any to have such 'link' ;) 19:26:34 <Ammler> you need a ssh account on MAC server... 19:26:37 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: it's a slippery slope argument. The line is where you draw it. It's just just... there are time and again people just asking about exactly that 19:27:04 <TrueBrain> Ammler: that 'might' be worth considering, as even that might be considered an untrusted source ;) 19:27:20 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: and they should visit the forum for exactly that :) 19:27:31 <planetmaker> :) 19:27:40 <TrueBrain> from openttd.org point of view, it is a very stupid idea to publish links to untrusted sources 19:27:48 <TrueBrain> I mean, if any of these guys put a virus in it 19:27:55 <TrueBrain> people won't say: ah, yes, openttd.org warned me for it 19:27:59 <planetmaker> good point 19:28:03 <TrueBrain> no, they say: BUT OPENTTD.ORG LINKED TO IT 19:28:08 <TrueBrain> so it is not such a slippery slope argument 19:28:19 <TrueBrain> is is a very valid one, which needs to be kept in mind ;) 19:28:29 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 19:28:48 <Ammler> TrueBrain: a ssh access for generating the binary and transfer to binaries.open... 19:29:15 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: and I agree, people are asking about it, so I am trying really hard to get it to work .. but so far, no luck ;) 19:29:54 <TrueBrain> Ammler: I just hope Apple donates us an Apple server :) 19:30:00 <planetmaker> no doubt about that - I just thought it to be an intermediate solution. But, yeah, I see your point. 19:30:20 <planetmaker> is that somewhat likely, TrueBrain ? 19:30:21 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I see no problem him making binaries and posting them in the topic 19:30:24 <Ammler> TrueBrain: did you ask? 19:30:30 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: I doubt that 19:30:36 <TrueBrain> Ammler: we tried to make contact with Apple (and Microsoft) 19:30:38 <TrueBrain> both no reply what so ever 19:30:51 <TrueBrain> Apple did sent a 'received' letter, but no reply 19:31:43 <Ammler> auto "received" ? 19:31:46 <TrueBrain> yes 19:32:01 <planetmaker> But what kind of computer would you consider "your" computer? Only one where you've got physical access and complete root access? 19:32:38 <Chris82> hehe then every *nix rig at uni would be mine :D 19:32:43 <planetmaker> or one, where you have that in a VM? 19:33:07 <planetmaker> @logs 19:33:11 <SpComb> Logs: http://zapotek.paivola.fi/~terom/logs/openttd 19:33:11 <planetmaker> !logs 19:33:38 <Ammler> planetmaker: compile farm is on a virtual server... (afaik) 19:34:06 *** Osai is now known as Osai^city 19:34:08 <blathijs> TrueBrain: What's the problem with 10.5, that the nightlies we have now doesn't work? Doesn't Apple do backwards compatibility properly? 19:34:24 <TrueBrain> blathijs: OpenDarwin closed their doors 19:34:28 <TrueBrain> so all those tools are not updated after 10-2007 19:34:38 <TrueBrain> and 10.5 Intel for some reason has rpoblems with the binaries produces by those tools 19:34:43 <TrueBrain> it seems a linker (binutils) problem 19:34:49 <TrueBrain> odcctools is used, but no update avialable 19:34:57 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: "your" is a bit weird word 19:35:12 <TrueBrain> for now we only produce binaries via the compile-farm as in: those things on the dedicated server 19:35:14 <blathijs> TrueBrain: Ah, nasty 19:35:26 <TrueBrain> for releases this will be filled up with additional sources of members who have earned our trust :) 19:35:40 <planetmaker> :) 19:36:35 <TrueBrain> (and sorry, some random user from the forum does not fall under 'trusted' ;)) 19:37:08 <TrueBrain> but okay, it just sucks VirtualBox can't run OSX in a VM :p 19:38:05 <planetmaker> hehehe :) 19:38:09 <Bjarni> for the record: I'm able to mount the dmg file from SF just fine and the checksum works 19:38:25 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: of course you are, the problem was the user .. that we all understood 19:38:34 <TrueBrain> his 'kernel' was not stable... then why do we bother .. :p 19:38:42 <Bjarni> heh 19:38:43 <planetmaker> TrueBrain: website question: where's the nightly archive link? Or only current availabe now? 19:38:54 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: there is no listing yet of the archive 19:38:55 <Bjarni> 10.2.8 was pretty stable unless you broke it 19:38:59 <TrueBrain> but you can request any valid revision like: 19:39:13 <Bjarni> and the only way to break it is the same way as breaking linux: installing/removing something you shouldn't have done 19:39:21 <TrueBrain> http://www.openttd.org/nl/download-trunk/r14300 19:39:23 <TrueBrain> Bjarni: I broke it? 19:39:28 <Bjarni> no 19:39:51 <Bjarni> I mean you can get an unstable kernel on OSX if you use 10.2.8 and install something for 10.3.x 19:39:58 <Bjarni> I guess that's what this guy have done 19:39:58 <Ammler> will you make http://binaries.openttd.org/ unaccessable? 19:39:59 <Noldo> TrueBrain: how is the languge for website decided? 19:40:06 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no, why would we? 19:40:13 <TrueBrain> Noldo: Accept-Language of browser 19:40:22 <Bjarni> and if you do that using your root password there is little the OS can do to prevent you from breaking it 19:40:25 <Bjarni> anyway I'm off 19:40:28 <Bjarni> goodnight 19:40:35 *** Bjarni [~Bjarni@0x50a46ad5.virnxx14.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42:15 <yorick> it is more nightly than trunk, no? 19:42:33 <yorick> confusing ^^ 19:42:40 <yorick> "Download trunk" 19:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> # An der NoooooordseeeeekÌste (4x *clap*) 19:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> # Am plattdeutschen Straaaaaand 19:52:43 *** Chris82 [~chatzilla@p579E0D7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> # Sind die Fiiiiiiiische im Wasser 19:52:46 <Eddi|zuHause> # Und selteeeeen an Laaaaand 19:54:21 <Ammler> Zuu: do we need to change our rev file too? 19:54:39 <Zuu> Ammler: No, you can leave it as it is. 19:54:54 <Ammler> and if we like to? :-) 19:55:03 <Ammler> I would like to add the r 19:55:16 <Zuu> hmm, and I should probably get started with that and take a pause form Visual Studio / OpenTTD ;-) 19:55:32 <Ammler> you didn't? 19:55:44 <Zuu> Ammler: For astetical reasons or practical reasons? 19:56:00 <Zuu> Eather way you have to convince dihedral to use the same format I'd say. 19:56:46 <Ammler> practial reasons, to show which protocol we use 19:56:54 <Ammler> r=svn 19:57:15 <Zuu> Ammler: Nope, I just published the focus-stuff and a notice on the forum to OTTDAU users. 19:57:27 <Ammler> as we also have servers with mercurial (h) 19:58:10 <Zuu> Sure, can you just wait until I tell you it's time to change? 19:58:10 <Ammler> or stable with (0) 19:58:22 <yorick> something tells me it isn't realistic that 4 out of 5 people waiting at a bus stop want to go to another country 19:58:31 <yorick> in reality, it seems far from 19:58:50 <Zuu> Ammler: But there will always be an 'r' or will I need to detect other characters? 19:59:07 <TrueBrain> I wish I had access to a OSX 10.5 Intel box .. then I could try things .. 19:59:27 <peter1138> The scrambled word is: 19:59:27 <peter1138> H T M L 19:59:28 <peter1138> Clue: The language used to create web pages. 19:59:28 <peter1138> Hah 19:59:31 <Ammler> Zuu, the 2 official server we run and you have will mostly be svn servers 20:00:53 <Zuu> Ok, so for now I change it to report "no update" if it is not an 'r' at the beginig. 20:01:59 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.186.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [] 20:02:16 <Zuu> Should we maybe rename the file form 'rev' to something else if we change the format? 20:02:33 <TrueBrain> finger.txt ;) 20:02:51 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.186.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:05 <Zuu> Well THAT would be missleading to call it finger.txt... 20:04:01 <guru3> wow i got a train station to an outstanding rating for its cargo :o 20:04:08 <guru3> first time i remember that 20:05:09 *** thingwath [~thingwath@147.251.200.68] has joined #openttd 20:05:22 <SmatZ> guru3: Large advertising campaign... 20:05:25 <SmatZ> :) 20:05:32 <Ammler> Zuu: I think, we can make it uniform and call it versions.txt too 20:05:33 <guru3> oh.. i did do that 20:05:34 <guru3> awesome 20:05:50 <TrueBrain> Ammler: call it finger.txt! :p 20:05:59 <Zuu> Ammler: Ok, and use the format of versions.txt on finger.openttd.org? 20:06:18 <Ammler> Zuu: yep 20:06:28 <Ammler> well, to I need to add the other text? 20:06:34 <Zuu> Okay, put more work for you but fine with me :) 20:07:17 <Ammler> well, I like to change it anyway to support different protocols 20:07:41 *** Osai^city is now known as Osai 20:07:45 <Zuu> I will currently only rely on what is on the first and last field of finger.txt 20:08:04 <Ammler> TrueBrain: that was a joke? 20:08:09 <Ammler> or do you change that? 20:08:53 <blathijs> What file are you discussing? 20:08:57 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no, I tried to suggest to use finger.txt over versions.txt :) 20:09:11 <Zuu> And if we should be joking, why listen to the man who came up with the name 'NoAI'? ;) 20:09:11 <TrueBrain> but it doesn't matter how you call it, as long as you remember it 20:09:15 <TrueBrain> finger.openttd.org remains how it is 20:09:27 <TrueBrain> (just finger.txt was more clear in my opinion, that is all :)) 20:09:38 <TrueBrain> talk to Rubidium about that :p 20:09:47 <Ammler> wasn't finger something else? 20:10:50 <Ammler> infos about a user 20:10:58 <TrueBrain> yes 20:11:17 <TrueBrain> http://www.kernel.org/kdist/finger_banner 20:11:50 <peter1138> Still can't use finger :( 20:12:11 <peter1138> Works on kernel.org :D 20:12:39 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I was in fact trying to figure out how to configure finger ... but I failed :( 20:12:40 <Ammler> > finger kernel.org 20:12:41 <Ammler> finger: kernel.org: no such user. 20:12:48 <TrueBrain> Ammler: finger @kernel.org 20:13:57 <Ammler> Zuu: hmm, we could also include the GRFPack version to finger.txt :-) 20:14:32 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Currently the finger.txt need me to look on different fields for diferent versions to find the correct line too look on, unless I use line-number. Perhaps add a field that is the name/ID of that line? 20:15:39 <Zuu> Or I could combine the last two fields and match that against a string, but is a bit hacky maybe. 20:15:51 <TrueBrain> Zuu: okay, I completely failed to parse that line .. 20:16:13 <Zuu> Okay, then i try to write it again... 20:16:14 <TrueBrain> http://finger.openttd.org/versions.txt has NO predefined order 20:16:48 <TrueBrain> 'finger' gives a way a lot of info on a machine :s 20:17:07 <Ammler> r14000 2008-9-13 nightlies/trunk public <-- so you would also support if we would use a stable 20:17:32 <TrueBrain> Ammler: try using 09 instead of 9 ;) 20:18:24 <planetmaker> finger @openttd.org 20:18:26 <planetmaker> [openttd.org/85.17.162.188] 20:18:27 <planetmaker> No one logged on. 20:18:28 <planetmaker> :D 20:18:48 <Zuu> I want to make a php-function that takes an identifier and returns path and version. For this I can't use just field 3 or just field 4. But I could do $s = $field[2] . $field[3] and then test if $s is equal to given identifier. 20:19:54 <peter1138> Heh, the days of .plan... 20:20:27 <TrueBrain> Zuu: still you make no sense, but if you understand yourself .. fine by me :) 20:21:07 <TrueBrain> also, remember that only 'releases' have an additional field 20:22:03 <TrueBrain> most sites closed down their finger daemon :) 20:22:12 <Zuu> Oh, there is no trailing tab on the other ones, good to keep in mind. :) 20:23:12 <Ammler> 7.2 2008-09-01 ottdc_grfpack 20:23:23 <Zuu> TrueBrain: I need a way to connect a line to "Last Stable" or "Last stable including pre-stable" etc. And as line number is not an option I first though of using the third and last field when I saw some of them had 4 fields... :) 20:23:24 <TrueBrain> peter1138: sorry, no real 'finger' for us :) 20:23:53 <TrueBrain> releases\ttesting always points to the latest testing 20:24:00 <TrueBrain> releases\tstable always point to the latest stable 20:24:07 <TrueBrain> so it should be very simple 20:24:27 <Ammler> maybe you should replace <stable> with 0.6.2 20:24:32 <TrueBrain> nope 20:24:43 <TrueBrain> <stable> is a clear indicator there is no testing, and stable is in its place 20:24:49 <TrueBrain> 0.6.2 would suggest 0.6.2 is testing 20:24:55 <Ammler> ok 20:25:00 <TrueBrain> for example, the noai line can become <nightlies/trunk> 20:25:05 <TrueBrain> to indicate it is merged 20:26:01 <TrueBrain> simply put: <N> means that the given line should redirect to N, which is also in that file 20:26:17 <Ammler> r14222 2008-09-03 nightlies/noai noai <-- shouldn't it be so then? 20:26:28 <Ammler> (2x noai) 20:26:46 <Ammler> oh, 20:26:53 <Ammler> now, I get you :-) 20:26:56 <TrueBrain> then again, I am repeating the documentation at http://finger.openttd.org/ 20:27:21 <TrueBrain> good :) 20:27:27 * peter1138 ponders warming the bed up. 20:27:35 <Zuu> TrueBrain: is <N> always an identifier in the 4:th field? 20:27:41 * TrueBrain suggests putting a girl on the bed 20:27:44 <TrueBrain> always gives a good warmth 20:27:58 <SmatZ> :-) 20:28:01 <TrueBrain> Zuu: <N> is either 'stable' or the 3rd field 20:28:03 <TrueBrain> (4th is mostly empty) 20:28:22 <Zuu> So <stable> is an exception? 20:28:35 <Ammler> no release is the exception 20:28:36 <TrueBrain> yes 20:28:40 * Zuu thinks it is unneccesary complicated to pharse that file... 20:28:41 <TrueBrain> as <releases> is ambiguous :) 20:28:53 <TrueBrain> Ammler: well, yes, that is more correct ;) 20:29:01 <Zuu> That is why I suggested a unique identifier field for each line. 20:29:16 <TrueBrain> my parsers so far are VERY simplistic 20:29:45 <TrueBrain> Zuu: the problem is 'releases' is ambiguous, it contains both testing and stable 20:29:58 <TrueBrain> so there was need for an addition field to seperate between thsoe 2, to keep it unique 20:30:08 <TrueBrain> your 'unique' identifier is there: 3+4 20:30:08 <Ammler> Zuu: the last 2 fields together are unique 20:30:11 <TrueBrain> always unique 20:30:11 <Zuu> Yes, but if you add an unique id-field and have that in < > it will not be ambiguous. 20:30:26 <TrueBrain> and together they give exactly enough info to get all the data (including url) 20:30:30 <Zuu> Ammler: Yes, but then I can't call my function reqrusive in case I reach a < >. 20:30:43 <TrueBrain> as "http://binaries.openttd.org/" + field[2] + "/" + field[0] is the dir 20:31:08 <TrueBrain> Zuu: the only thing you need to do in that function, is make 'stable' and 'testing' an exception 20:31:12 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Do you have a pharser in php to get path and version of a given line identified in some way? 20:31:21 <TrueBrain> then recursion will work just fine 20:31:43 <TrueBrain> 'a given line identified in some way' 20:31:43 <TrueBrain> haha 20:31:47 <TrueBrain> return line[0] 20:31:47 <TrueBrain> there! 20:31:48 <TrueBrain> :p 20:31:52 <TrueBrain> sorry, but you are way too vague 20:32:13 <Zuu> Well, in a valid way. Such as LAST_STABLE or LAST_NOAI etc. 20:32:47 <TrueBrain> you want last stable? Assuming you split the file in lines and the lines in fields 20:33:09 <Zuu> Yes, that is what I am doing. 20:33:25 <TrueBrain> if ($request == "stable" || $request == "testing") { if ($field[2] == "releases" && $field[3] == $request) return $field; } else if ($field[2] == $request) return $field; 20:33:28 <TrueBrain> I don't see the problem :) 20:33:44 <TrueBrain> where request is either 'stable', 'testing', or 'nightlies/noai', 'nightlies/trunk' 20:34:11 <TrueBrain> then the caller of that function cao do: if ($field[0][0] == "<") $field = thatFunction($field[0]) 20:36:17 <Zuu> Hm 20:36:48 <TrueBrain> that is not too unlogic, is it? 20:37:34 <Zuu> I maybe said yes to early, but I split my $page into lines and then do for each on them. So not exactly as you do it. 20:37:44 <TrueBrain> to only weirdness really is 'releases', but they are weird in many more ways :) (for example, they are not named like others) 20:37:51 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:49 <TrueBrain> foreach ($line in $page) { $field = split($line, "\t"); ... } 20:38:52 <TrueBrain> is what I would do 20:38:55 <TrueBrain> give or take order of params 20:39:11 <TrueBrain> (I never know if it is split($line, "\t"), or split("\t", $line) .. PHP is really incosistant with that ...) 20:39:23 *** ecke [~ecke@mail2.zelena.cz] has joined #openttd 20:39:51 * TrueBrain considers writing his own fingerd :p 20:40:09 <TrueBrain> first: Star Wars The Force Unleashed 20:40:47 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 20:41:16 <Zuu> TrueBrain: this is how I have it: http://paste.openttd.org/91929 20:41:27 <Ammler> i need to update my script also a little bit with grep -v "<nightlies/trunk>" 20:41:31 <Zuu> (see the function finger) 20:44:13 <TrueBrain> what about it? 20:44:39 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Would you mind post a pastebin post with your code glued togeather, because I can't see how you would glue it togeather. 20:45:21 <TrueBrain> (if you give me an url, at least tell me what your intensions are with it) 20:45:31 <TrueBrain> all I can see now, is that yours will fail for resursive 20:45:38 <TrueBrain> remove your lines 20:46:05 <Zuu> Yes I know my will fail for recrusive that is why I asked for help. 20:46:50 <TrueBrain> your version fails btw, 'field' against 'fields' 20:46:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcdbf.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:03 <TrueBrain> and I gave you a solution to solve that .. what more do you want from me? :) 20:47:10 <Zuu> Yes that is because i used $fields but had to rename it to $field to match your code. 20:48:12 <TrueBrain> but, as you want things shewed out for you: http://paste.openttd.org/91937 20:48:16 <Zuu> TrueBrain: I know I'm might be asking for to much but currently I don't see how to glue your parts togeather. It certainly looks logical to you. I'm suer. 20:48:20 <Zuu> I'm sure* 20:48:34 <TrueBrain> it needs a bit of substr on the recursive part 20:48:36 <TrueBrain> but oh wlel 20:48:50 <TrueBrain> and I completely fail to see what you don't understand :) 20:49:22 <Zuu> " if ($field[0][0] == "<") $field = thatFunction($field[0])" this looks alien to mee :) 20:49:22 <TrueBrain> it might be wise to cache the result of the GetFile, but okay .. performance was not in order here 20:49:50 <TrueBrain> while ($res[0][0] == "<") $res = finger($res[0]); 20:49:57 <TrueBrain> I did it again in the pastebin now 20:50:17 <TrueBrain> just allowed infinite redirects to work this time 20:50:30 <TrueBrain> but it should be something like: $res = finger(substr($res[0], 1, -1)); 20:50:31 <yorick> "result = result | (*p) - 32;" <-- snipped from the configurable hotkeys patch, it complains it does not understand what is ment and suggests I use brackets 20:50:34 <TrueBrain> but oh well 20:50:47 <TrueBrain> yorick: even I think it is ambiguous 20:50:52 <TrueBrain> good for your compiler it noticed it too 20:51:16 <yorick> yes, but what does it mean? 20:51:24 <TrueBrain> that you sould add brackets! 20:51:28 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Ah, now I see what you mean by that line, all from the begining my intention was to build the recrusion into the finger-function. 20:51:42 <TrueBrain> Zuu: possible, but then you can't return 20:51:43 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Thank you very much for taking your time. 20:51:44 <TrueBrain> then you should 'break' 20:51:55 <TrueBrain> which makes it a tiny bit harder, as when it fails to find, it drops out too 20:51:57 <yorick> TB: it is not my patch, and I don't know where to add brackets 20:52:00 <TrueBrain> so you need an additional variable :p 20:52:13 <TrueBrain> Zuu: and sorry I didn't understand what you didn't understand :) 20:52:27 <TrueBrain> yorick: I would put them between the s and u of 'result' ;) 20:52:38 <Zuu> The whole server is a big hack, so a slight waste somewhere shouldn't be that bad. 20:52:46 <yorick> what result? 20:52:46 <TrueBrain> yorick: 1 + 3 * 6 <- where would you put brackets to make it absolutely non-ambigious (well, in this case it is clear, but still :)) 20:53:05 <yorick> em, (1+3) * 6 :-) 20:53:13 <TrueBrain> now do that with your line 20:53:19 <TrueBrain> how hard can that be 20:53:31 <yorick> result = result | ((*p) - 32); 20:53:34 <TrueBrain> I don't think res(ult = result | (*p) - 32); will help 20:53:38 <TrueBrain> well, for example 20:53:47 <yorick> or result = (result | (*p)) - 32; 20:53:53 <TrueBrain> I think the compiler wanted to execute 'result = (result | (*p)) - 32; 20:54:01 <TrueBrain> but I am not sure if - takes precedenace over | 20:54:10 <TrueBrain> people in this channel most likely know that better than I do :) 20:54:14 <Eddi|zuHause> there are a lot of places where you can put additional brackets ;) 20:54:16 <yorick> neither does it, because it complains about it 20:54:21 <yorick> (Eddi) 20:54:24 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: very true ;) 20:54:41 <TrueBrain> I btw wonder why a compiler would complain about | and - mixture 20:54:42 <TrueBrain> but okay ... 20:54:59 <TrueBrain> yorick: are you sure you have the correct line? :) 20:55:12 <yorick> it complains about using | and not having brackets 20:55:24 <yorick> it does not like that as it does not know what is ment 20:55:30 <TrueBrain> a, '-' comes before '|' 20:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> you have no idea how often people come into #mathe and ask stuff about formulas like "a + b / c + d" 20:55:50 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: they did it wrong in a big news station in our country ... really shameful :( 20:56:00 <yorick> TB: where? 20:56:04 <TrueBrain> yorick: if you put brackets like you just said you did, it will no longer complain 20:56:06 <Eddi|zuHause> and if we say "you miss some brackets" they answer "there are no brackets" 20:56:08 <TrueBrain> if it does, something else is going on 20:56:18 <yorick> TB: and it has the risk of being calculated wrong 20:56:29 <yorick> causing a nearly untracable bug 20:56:58 <TrueBrain> yorick: sorry, you don't make sense to me :) 20:57:18 <TrueBrain> (I really said that too often today .. why are people trying to be so cryptic as possible?) 20:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> and that is news to you? :p 20:57:46 <Eddi|zuHause> after all, it's yorick you're talking about 20:58:31 <Zuu> Ammler: Change your stuff as you like, I'd say, as things are already 'broken', and it's late now I will probably leave my stuff for tomorrow or later when I have time. It's getting quite late. Or at least I'm getting to tired to code. 20:58:38 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, in #mathe it's an art to be as cryptic as possible ;) 20:58:39 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: not only Yorick is being cryptic today :p 20:58:51 <yorick> but I am always 20:58:56 * TrueBrain gives Zuu some Cooffee :p 20:59:01 <Eddi|zuHause> (usually when giving answers to trivial questions) 20:59:26 * Zuu does not drink it as he has stoped to drink cooffee, but he accepts tea *hint* 20:59:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ("there are no answers. every question is met with another question." [Heroes]) 21:03:25 <yorick> why do applications always crash without errors if they dont assert or provide errors? 21:04:34 <SpComb> because if they crashed with errors, then they would provide errors 21:05:10 <Ammler> Zuu: you are using finger.openttd.org to check what is available 21:05:22 <yorick> but why don't they provide errors if they crash without errors? 21:05:24 <Zuu> Ammler: Not yet 21:05:49 <Ammler> we need to tell you what you need. 21:05:59 <Rubidium> Zuu: http://rbijker.net/openttd/finger.php.txt <- might be useful 21:06:08 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:06:42 <Rubidium> without .txt shows the output 21:07:29 <Zuu> Rubidium: Thank you for that code. 21:08:06 <Ammler> so we use the same format but only one row... 21:10:09 <Zuu> At some point I should probably clean my stuff up, because I use call function by string-name as I did not find any function pointers. Probably faster to use lot of switch-case stuff instead of spliting up into functions. 21:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause> ever heard of polymorphy? 21:11:33 <Zuu> I've never got used to it in php-code. 21:11:50 <Eddi|zuHause> well, honestly, i have no idea of php 21:12:15 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 21:12:15 <Zuu> But then I started at php4 and have not adopted my coding style to php5. 21:16:14 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Write error: connection closed] 21:16:18 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 21:16:19 *** Zorn [zorn@e177238200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:25 *** Zorn [zorn@e177238200.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 21:16:25 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:35 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:36 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 21:22:07 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 21:23:51 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:27:09 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 21:27:50 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:40:54 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.186.39.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:31 *** Zuu [Zuu@c-1e3c71d5.025-58-6e6b702.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:48:04 <TrueBrain> hmm .. Star Wars The Force Unleashed just crashed on my xbox ... now that is nasty :s 21:54:11 <TrueBrain> sometimes tt-forums is so fast, that I don't see it loaded the page :p Hehehhe :) 21:57:30 <guru3> i'm loosing money at exactly 1k per second 21:57:34 <guru3> perfect timing almost 21:58:10 <TrueBrain> concratz ;) 21:58:10 <dih> @seen Zuu 21:58:10 <DorpsGek> dih: Zuu was last seen in #openttd 45 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <Zuu> But then I started at php4 and have not adopted my coding style to php5. 22:03:54 *** mcbane [~Maui_key@p5498EA2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:07:28 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:09:19 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:16:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1FA64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:45 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Zzz] 22:23:38 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:35:33 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:33 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:57 <FauxFaux> So, has everyone that has ie7 / ie8b* installed actually tried the new website? It basically hangs IE during load here, and on a friend's machine. 22:38:09 <FauxFaux> (But fine on (plenty of) others, I assume) 22:38:11 <mcbane> mozilla here 22:38:16 <mcbane> and all is ok 22:38:24 <FauxFaux> Gj. 22:38:27 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: I really wonder wtf IE is doing .... 22:38:56 <FauxFaux> Have you seen it? Might be a 8beta issue, but it doesn't happen on machines with 8beta installed. 22:40:02 <TrueBrain> sorry, now you lost me :) 22:40:04 <FauxFaux> Tee hee, /me /sees/ the background draw, line by line, and my machine isn't exactly slow. 22:40:19 <TrueBrain> with what browser? :p 22:40:24 <FauxFaux> (I guess it might be an ie8 beta issue, but someone has ie8 beta installed and isn't seeing it happen) 22:40:28 <FauxFaux> ie8b1 in ie7 mode. 22:40:49 <TrueBrain> well, the background is a 2x2 pixel in repeat (2x2 as 1x1 fails when you do that with IE :p) 22:40:54 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493F924.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:41:10 <FauxFaux> I expect 1x1 is failing. :p 22:41:26 <TrueBrain> when you use a 1x1 pixel, IE simply doesn't render it 22:41:28 <TrueBrain> so we use a 2x2 pixel 22:41:32 <TrueBrain> image 22:41:33 <TrueBrain> what ever :p 22:41:35 <FauxFaux> Which just kills ie. :p 22:41:46 <TrueBrain> really, if a browser can't handle that .... 22:41:50 <TrueBrain> it should sit in a corner or something 22:42:16 <TrueBrain> IE6.0 is pretty quick via wine 22:42:47 <FauxFaux> It's probably a windows bug, or something. 22:43:00 <FauxFaux> It's actually causing the window manager pain. 22:43:07 <TrueBrain> yeah, it is called Microsoft :p 22:43:07 <TrueBrain> haha 22:43:11 <TrueBrain> enough bashing against MS :) 22:43:23 <TrueBrain> let me try something .. you have your browser open? 22:43:35 <FauxFaux> Yeah. Give me a minute, I'm just booting some vms. 22:44:00 *** Tekky [~chatzilla@p5493F924.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:44:13 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:11 *** ccfreak2k [ccfreak2k@loliserv.org] has joined #openttd 22:45:26 <FauxFaux> Does it in my cleanroom Vista vm, IE7. 22:45:48 <TrueBrain> how is the speed now? 22:46:48 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103d5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:10 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 22:47:24 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103cc.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:47:26 <FauxFaux> That's a lot better, there's still something seriously wrong, though. :/ 22:48:05 <FauxFaux> Is there the same kind of thing in the header, by any chance? 22:48:54 <TrueBrain> the header has a repeating image too yes 22:48:57 <TrueBrain> like most of the other places 22:49:08 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 22:49:10 <FauxFaux> Crappy IE. :( 22:49:14 <TrueBrain> yes 22:49:51 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: now? 22:50:17 <TrueBrain> oh, one more instant 22:50:18 <TrueBrain> now? 22:51:17 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g226209086.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: (~_~]"] 22:51:49 <FauxFaux> Seems okay, I don't use IE enough to know if it's always that not as awesome as Opera. :) 22:52:00 <TrueBrain> but is the speed in order now? 22:52:18 <FauxFaux> Yeah, it doesn't cause anywhere near as much pain. 22:52:23 *** nckomodo [~nckomodo@scottb.carrollwater-wifi0.amplex.net] has quit [] 22:52:45 <TrueBrain> so ... IE doesn't like 'repeat' .. 22:52:53 <TrueBrain> repeat-x and repeat-y are fine, but 'repeat' kills it :p 22:53:11 <FauxFaux> I guess it's doing something stupid like actually trying to instance the image each time. 22:53:19 <TrueBrain> most likely :p 22:54:56 <TrueBrain> known IE7 problem ... 22:55:35 <Rubidium> so you can DOS any IE7 browser with a carefully constructed static webpage... 22:55:48 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: yes 22:56:01 <TrueBrain> create a few divs with a background of a 1x1 pixel on repeat 22:56:04 <TrueBrain> and byebye 22:56:14 <TrueBrain> worth a try, I guess :p 23:00:08 *** [com]buster [~eternal@cust-03-55bf402e.adsl.scarlet.nl] has quit [Quit: Operator, give me an exit] 23:00:45 <Ammler> TrueBrain: no binaries: http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r14283/ 23:01:09 <Ammler> you told the "old" binaries will be "taken over" :-) 23:01:55 <TrueBrain> Ammler: did I? Only source archive ... 23:01:59 <TrueBrain> sorry if I informed you other wise :$ 23:02:43 <Ammler> :P 23:03:01 <Ammler> isn't the source already in SVN? 23:03:12 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 23:03:29 <TrueBrain> yes, nevertheless, we wanted to have a source achive for each nightly 23:04:30 <Ammler> but you keep the nightlies from now on? 23:04:44 <Ammler> the binaries, I mean... 23:04:55 <Rubidium> only for the last few weeks/months 23:05:32 <TrueBrain> what Rubidium says 23:05:55 <TrueBrain> 1 'nightly' is 100 MiB 23:05:58 <TrueBrain> you can only keep so many ;) 23:07:27 <Sacro> use binary diffs 23:08:06 <TrueBrain> lol 23:08:46 <Ammler> :-) 23:09:27 <Ammler> now we have a reason to make a "forced" update 23:10:40 * TrueBrain hates IE .. doesn't obey any rule in the book .. 23:10:57 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: lies... it obeys at least one 23:10:58 <Nite_Owl> Or we can "vote" for v0.7.0 23:11:17 <Sacro> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/trunk/r1/ <-- ooh 23:12:16 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has joined #openttd 23:12:34 <mcbane> yea +975 r's 23:12:39 <mcbane> old ones 23:13:21 <Ammler> Sacro: can you compile it? 23:13:27 <Sacro> Ammler: no source 23:13:33 <Sacro> oh r1 23:13:36 <Sacro> quite possibly :\ 23:13:58 <Ammler> which version is the first also for linux? 23:14:10 <TrueBrain> r1 worked I believe 23:14:29 <Rubidium> Ammler: I reckon 0.1.4 or thereabouts 23:15:40 <Ammler> hmm, means r1 should work 23:16:25 <Sacro> yeah 23:16:30 <Sacro> .1.4 is the first with sauce 23:17:08 <TrueBrain> whoho, fixed most IE abnormalities .. now the background shit .. 23:17:35 *** Pikka [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:11 <Ammler> can't compile it 23:20:55 <Ammler> oh, do I see right, you don't use sf anymore 23:21:04 <Ammler> also for stables? 23:22:33 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:22:34 <Ammler> http://sourceforge.net/projects/ottd-ttrpatch/ 23:22:47 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: how is the speed of the website now? 23:23:01 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:23:43 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7DDE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:38 <FauxFaux> TrueBrain: It's still horribly slow, doesn't actually hang ie anymore, though. 23:25:08 <TrueBrain> I made the images 20x20 23:25:11 <TrueBrain> so that is 100 times bigger 23:25:18 <TrueBrain> and it STILL is slow? Lol 23:25:22 <TrueBrain> IE sucks .. sorry .. out of ideas :) 23:26:07 <Ammler> sorry, me seems blind 23:26:24 <Ammler> can I somewhere get the oldest Linux Build? 23:28:11 <Ammler> 0.3.0 has a rpm 23:28:18 <Ammler> everything older s 23:28:24 <Ammler> has no linux build 23:30:03 *** reldred|gone is now known as reldred 23:32:38 <TrueBrain> FauxFaux: http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/ie.html <- how does that scroll? (warning, it might kill your IE :p) 23:33:50 <FauxFaux> Less bad than the original site. =p 23:36:03 <TrueBrain> hehe 23:36:07 <TrueBrain> well, that is suprising :) 23:36:54 *** Boyinblue0 [~admin@5ac37ed0.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:37:59 <mcbane> houston is safe but 60 km away it was devastating.. 23:38:15 <mcbane> news said. 23:39:12 <Ammler> TrueBrain: why do you use a image, isn't that plain? 23:40:36 *** rortom [~rortom@p57B7DDE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:40:42 *** Pikkaa [PikkaBird@58.173.248.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:42 <TrueBrain> Ammler: sorry? 23:43:47 *** Nite_Owl [~chatzilla@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 2.0.0.16/2008070205]] 23:45:36 <Ammler> TrueBrain: isn't that background unique? 23:45:44 <Ammler> hmm, how is that called 23:45:48 <Ammler> only one color 23:45:50 <TrueBrain> why oh why are people so cryptic :( 23:45:52 <TrueBrain> Ammler: yes 23:46:14 <Ammler> so why do you use a img? 23:46:14 <TrueBrain> one solid colour in a picture of 20x20 23:46:18 <TrueBrain> and IE has problems rendering it :p 23:46:26 <TrueBrain> Ammler: because browsers are funny things :) 23:46:40 <TrueBrain> not all browsers translate RGB colours to the same CYI colour .. 23:46:42 <TrueBrain> like Opera 23:46:55 <TrueBrain> so when you use a background colour, the differ from the background colour embedded in any image 23:47:00 <TrueBrain> (like 'shadow' images) 23:47:28 <TrueBrain> now we fixed most of those difference, nevertheless they remains slightly in darkness level 23:47:35 <TrueBrain> so this is the only way to make sure it looks perfect 23:48:31 <Ammler> sound more like a hack :-) 23:49:24 <TrueBrain> isn't HTML one big hack? :p 23:49:29 <Ammler> true 23:49:36 <Ammler> well, you use XHTML 23:49:37 <TrueBrain> well, most things in fact are solved clean .. but it needs .. well .. creative thinking ;) 23:50:26 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FB34.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:50:27 *** FR^2 [~frquadrat@oscar.frquadrat.de] has quit [Quit: Connection reset by caffein depletion...] 23:51:02 <TrueBrain> yeah, I was hoping XHTML was more supported by browsers :) 23:51:07 <TrueBrain> well, it is .. but .. oh well 23:51:12 <TrueBrain> Opera doesn't support all CSS 1 properties 23:51:18 <TrueBrain> to name a simple example 23:51:19 <Ammler> it should at least be the same everywhere 23:51:26 <TrueBrain> yeah, right ... 23:51:35 <TrueBrain> IE 5 doesn't know margin: 0px auto; 23:51:38 <Ammler> those things which are supported 23:51:46 <TrueBrain> the 'hack' used it 'text-align: center' 23:51:51 <Ammler> but the boxes are the same 23:51:59 <TrueBrain> IE doesn't understand what: overflow: hidden, means 23:52:01 <Ammler> that is a big step forwards 23:52:18 <TrueBrain> (somehow he things hidden means VERY VISIBLE) 23:52:33 <TrueBrain> grr .. (sorry, I am REALLY annoyed by all this browser shit, even in the most basic things like CSS1 ...) 23:53:18 <Ammler> how old is that? more then 5 years? 23:53:27 <TrueBrain> like from the beginning of CSS ... 23:53:57 <Ammler> hmm, 5 year is maybe CSS2 then 23:54:36 <TrueBrain> 1996, revised in 1999 23:54:38 <TrueBrain> (CSS1) 23:55:03 <TrueBrain> then we have a .nowrap element which is CSS2 with hacks ... to do the overflow: hidden correct (which is CSS2 btw) 23:55:06 <TrueBrain> and a:hover is CSS2 23:56:53 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-221-113.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:21 *** welshdragon [~vista@host217-43-221-113.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:57:38 <Ammler> do you have a "good" css referenz? 23:58:02 <Ammler> something like css4you.de, but well, in your language? 23:58:09 <SmatZ> TrueBrain is a good css references 23:58:16 <Ammler> :-) 23:59:06 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no .. I gathered that minor piece of info from the w3c validation services :p 23:59:24 <Ammler> http://www.css4you.de/browsercomp.html/standardbrowser/ 23:59:51 <TrueBrain> Ammler: and as I learnt HTML (and with that CSS) when I was like .. young (1998 - 2000 sometwhere), I only know CSS1 :p