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00:01:34 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 00:09:13 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14431 /trunk/src/console.cpp: -Fix (r14414): alias parameter "evaluation" would remove the last byte of the parameters. 00:18:02 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:03 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 00:18:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 00:23:42 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14432 /trunk/src/rail_cmd.cpp: -Fix: tile description of tiles with only one signal that is not the normal signal showing "normal signal and <signal type on tile>". 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76738.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:13 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76618.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:54:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-109-149.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:56:08 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:58:09 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:07:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485F762.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:26 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet736.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:01 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA8A7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 02:21:30 *** De_Ghosty [~s@206-248-181-26.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:21:47 *** De_Ghosty [~s@75-119-224-200.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 02:31:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:09:00 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577BA8A7.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 03:30:39 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 03:39:08 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:52:21 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:04:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76618.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:19 <ccfreak2k> The speed scaling for aircraft is interesting. 05:06:27 <ccfreak2k> Apparently the "Dinger 1000" taxies at 125MPH. 05:06:41 <Noldo> :) 05:11:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76618.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:25:47 *** DJNekkid [~chatzilla@static128-249.adsl.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:02:33 *** Jezral [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has joined #openttd 06:09:34 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 06:09:47 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@85.27.135.237] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:24:34 <planetmaker> Rubidium: you might consider to change this var name in order to fit r14421: http://paste.openttd.org/115740 06:37:21 <peter1138> Most important patch ever! 06:39:42 <planetmaker> indeed :P 06:40:20 <planetmaker> I just found a wrong doc comment due to the same change... 06:41:15 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttd.org/115751 06:42:31 <planetmaker> one could also consider to adopt a few strings in english.txt where also rather company than player is meant. 07:00:36 *** Ridayah [~ridayah@12-208-15-67.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:59 *** Pikita [~sam@89.241.164.40] has joined #openttd 07:14:54 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:16:07 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F899.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:17:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B837AD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:19:30 <dih> Thank you Rubidium (@r14431) 07:24:24 <peter1138> Wasn't that backported to 0.6.3? 07:25:05 <dih> no it was not - i checked 07:28:22 <dih> thankfully i'd say ;-) 07:28:36 <peter1138> I think it was, but "name", etc, are not aliases. 07:28:40 <peter1138> (In 0.6.3) 07:30:10 <peter1138> rcon_password fool 07:30:10 <peter1138> dbg: [misc] String too long for destination buffer 07:30:10 <peter1138> 'rcon_pw' changed to: foo 07:30:54 <peter1138> *cough* 07:30:57 <peter1138> 18:03 <@peter1138> Rubidium, lots of changes without an RC? :o 07:31:00 <peter1138> 18:04 <@Rubidium> peter1138: what's lots of changes? 07:32:21 *** Yeggzzz is now known as Yeggs-work 07:32:28 <peter1138> I shall now go into hiding :p 07:36:28 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B42A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:38:08 <sulai> 0.6.3 is out... as a translator, I'm a littly unhappy that there have been changes to the language file just before the release. There was no chance for us to update the translation for the release =( 07:40:59 <peter1138> Well there is a solution. 07:41:08 <peter1138> We can just not do releases :) 07:42:09 <peter1138> sulai, so did a lot change from 0.6.2 ? 07:43:49 <sulai> there have been many changes to the german language file since 0.6.2 (several hundred) ;) 07:44:30 <peter1138> Some has been backported. 07:44:36 <sulai> most of them are in there except these last changes http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/changeset/14423/trunk/src/lang/english.txt 07:45:06 <sulai> the changes are pending in webtranslator2... 07:45:14 <peter1138> *have 07:45:44 <sulai> peter1138: We can just not do releases :) <- would be nice if there are only releases if there was no language file change for a week or so 07:45:53 <peter1138> Those changes don't apply to 0.6.3 07:46:03 <sulai> oh? 07:46:59 <peter1138> "player" was renamed to "company" in trunk, but not in 0.6.x 07:47:15 <peter1138> So in English it still refers to players. 07:47:16 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:47:47 <sulai> release is r14430, language file change is r14423 07:48:32 <peter1138> Welcome to *branches* 07:49:45 <sulai> oh, cool thing =) 07:49:51 <sulai> sorry for bothering you... 07:51:12 <sulai> I'm just curious about branches: If one does a commit to the trunk, these changes are automatically applied to all its branches? 07:51:18 <peter1138> No. 07:52:03 <sulai> Isn't it some hard work to merge branches by hand later on? 07:58:33 <FauxFaux> It can be easy if there are no conflicts. ¬_¬ 08:07:35 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 08:08:15 <ccfreak2k> "trunk" is like the trunk of a tree. 08:08:25 <ccfreak2k> Well the whole thing's a tree. 08:08:27 <ccfreak2k> Think of it that way. 08:08:47 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 08:15:34 <peter1138> It can be, however, release branches (0.5 and 0.6, for example) are not ever merged back with trunk. 08:15:44 <peter1138> That would defeat the point of having them :) 08:16:04 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:17:47 <peter1138> Haha, our first BayTSP email. 08:18:38 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:18:47 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-78.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:19:01 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:05 *** elmex [~elmex@e180066179.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:26:41 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac570.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:44 *** welshdra-gone [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:43:27 *** welshdra-gone is now known as welshdragon 08:43:36 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 08:43:50 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 08:51:35 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has joined #openttd 08:52:01 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 08:52:06 <Smoky555> hi all :) 08:52:11 <Chrill> allo 08:53:36 <Smoky555> can i download somewhere nightly build of NoAI brunch? 08:54:18 <peter1138> http://binaries.openttd.org/nightlies/noai/ 08:55:13 <Smoky555> thanks Peter :)) 08:57:06 <sulai> Smoky555: Bon appétit! 08:57:07 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:57:28 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has left #openttd [] 08:57:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:15:03 <Ammler> Would be one of the TT-Forums Mods be so nice and move http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=39860 to OpenTTD Graphics 09:15:21 <Ammler> I accidentially posted in the General Forum 09:16:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76618.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B76618.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:22:39 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@147.251.215.232] has joined #openttd 09:25:24 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 09:38:52 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179084152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:39:48 *** Metalcore is now known as MetalBook 09:47:46 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:41 <peter1138> Bah... 09:58:28 <TrueBrain> Don't eat yellow snow. 09:59:39 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 09:59:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 10:01:27 <peter1138> Well said. 10:02:14 <peter1138> Idbg: [sprite] Tried to load recolour sprite #723 as a real sprite. Probable cause: NewGRF interference 10:02:25 <peter1138> Okay... a little more work is needed to make dedicated servers run without graphics :p 10:04:35 <TrueBrain> the main question I always had around that ... how much does OpenTTD need to know the dimensions of the graphics? 10:04:48 <peter1138> It doesn't any more. 10:05:07 <peter1138> They are no longer used for collision detection. 10:05:13 <TrueBrain> that is good 10:05:22 <peter1138> Well, not used, but affect. 10:05:58 <TrueBrain> as I said, I once made apatch to remove the need for grfs .. by loading all grfs as a black grf with dimension 10x10 .. :p 10:06:06 <peter1138> :) 10:06:12 <TrueBrain> but back then, it seemed to cause desyncs :p 10:06:19 <peter1138> There are sprites that are needed for map generation. 10:06:27 <peter1138> But you know about those :) 10:06:38 <TrueBrain> well, old map generation :p 10:06:40 <TrueBrain> who uses that ;) 10:06:43 <peter1138> I do. 10:06:58 <TrueBrain> WARNING: you can't generate old-style maps without original grfs. 10:07:00 <TrueBrain> fixed that nicely ;) 10:07:38 <peter1138> I wonder if anyone ever made a NewGRF to replace those sprites... 10:07:45 <TrueBrain> really? 10:07:46 <TrueBrain> why? 10:07:54 <peter1138> ... 10:07:59 <peter1138> To affect map generation, clearly. 10:08:14 <TrueBrain> there are grfs that replace the map images to produce other generatedmaps, yes 10:08:20 <TrueBrain> most of them makes it even more ugly :p 10:08:34 <peter1138> Hmm, I've never seen one. 10:09:08 <TrueBrain> the old map generation makes such squary maps .. :p 10:09:15 <TrueBrain> oh well, back to Saint Row 2 .. that game rules :) 10:11:53 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:04 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:07 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 10:18:46 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B42A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Its Grrrrrrrrreat!] 10:41:52 <peter1138> Hmm, what's the special incantation to get lighttpd to proxy hg serve? :o 10:45:34 <Rexxars> lighttpd --do-what-i-want-you-to-do 10:45:43 <peter1138> :o 10:46:04 <peter1138> I set it up to proxy but it stalls when serving. 10:47:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C0CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:47:18 <fjb> Hello 10:48:07 <peter1138> Hmm, seems OpenTTD's config rewrites the files that stall... 10:48:09 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80EFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:00 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80A59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:50:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 11:11:37 *** mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:07 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:28:05 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2D6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:32:49 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 11:34:41 *** earlofsandwich [~liam.cokl@203-214-127-74.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:37:10 *** Zorni [zorn@e177225101.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:37:52 <fjb> I hate PBI. 87% vtranported, station rating is 77%, always a train wainting there and the production of the coalmine always goes down. :-( 11:39:24 <Ammler> fjb: maybe the coal has to wait too long. 11:39:46 <fjb> Till the train leaves? 11:41:48 <fjb> I'm also having a statue there. 11:42:20 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:44:13 *** earlofsandwich [~liam.cokl@203-214-127-74.perm.iinet.net.au] has quit [] 11:44:30 *** Zorn [zorn@e177228047.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:47:42 *** earlofsandwich [~liam.cokl@203-214-127-74.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:07:36 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 13:08:15 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 13:12:17 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2D6BA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:34 *** Smoky555 [~Miranda@80.69.148.14] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:21:00 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 13:21:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 13:27:50 <petern> Hmm, it likes to use real IPs :o 13:28:21 <Celestar> what does? 13:28:34 <petern> linux-vserver 13:28:42 <petern> Ah, there's a dummy network device I can use. 13:32:31 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:34:38 <Celestar> heh.. 13:34:47 <Celestar> where are our Hungarians here? 13:35:04 <Celestar> !seen mihamix 13:35:08 <glx> not in Hungary 13:35:33 <glx> and the command uses @ 13:35:43 <Celestar> @seen mihamix 13:35:43 <DorpsGek> Celestar: mihamix was last seen in #openttd 37 weeks, 2 days, 17 hours, 14 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <MiHaMiX> s/t$/d/ 13:36:19 *** Forked [~kjetil@tester.igjen.vdsl2.no] has quit [Quit: shutdown :\] 13:44:09 <petern> Hmm, and then when using private addresses, NAT gets messy :( 13:47:37 <SpComb> linux-vsever networking is kind of weird 13:47:48 <SpComb> as they all share some interface 13:47:51 <Celestar> I dunno vserver ;) 13:47:56 <Celestar> using Xen here :P 13:48:07 * SpComb used vserver in a Xen domU 13:49:00 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet669.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:49:35 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:57:34 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has joined #openttd 13:57:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 13:57:42 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:57:46 <fjb> Xen makes my server crawl. The networking gets unbearable slow. 13:58:04 <Celestar> :/ 13:58:07 <Celestar> stupid AMD drivers 14:01:03 *** Celestar_ [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has joined #openttd 14:01:11 *** Celestar is now known as Guest2773 14:01:11 *** Celestar_ is now known as Celestar 14:01:32 *** Guest2773 [~Jadzia_Da@129.187.69.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:01:35 <Celestar> awesome. the driver works, there are no errors, but I get a black screen :S 14:02:14 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:04:08 <petern> Well, this server does not have CPUs that support virtualization. 14:05:51 <Celestar> the AMD driver manages to turn off the screen :o 14:05:59 <petern> AMD driver? 14:06:10 <Celestar> yeah for the video card 14:07:09 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has joined #openttd 14:07:29 <fjb> X on a server? 14:07:42 <petern> Where? 14:10:01 <fjb> What else do you need the AMD driver for the vidoe card for? 14:10:13 <Celestar> nothing? 14:10:17 <Celestar> it'S a video card driver ... 14:10:27 <petern> Who said it was a server? 14:10:49 <glx> fjb: it used to be an ATI driver 14:11:25 <fjb> Still what do you use it for when not for running X? 14:11:40 <Celestar> who sais I'm not running X? 14:12:25 <fjb> That is why I asked: "X on a server?" 14:12:37 <Celestar> it's a notebook :P 14:12:41 <petern> Ah right. I guess the correct answer would be "no" then. 14:13:18 <fjb> I didn't associate Xen with a notebook. 14:13:53 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@bib-theater33.hku.nl] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:16:18 <petern> Sounds like you're mixing up two conversations. 14:16:24 <Celestar> yeah 14:16:30 <Celestar> peter's server and my notebook (= 14:16:54 <Celestar> peter != Celestar. also *peter != *Celestar. 14:17:29 <fjb> [15:47:56] <Celestar> using Xen here :P 14:17:42 <Celestar> fjb: yeah, but not on the laptop. on the server . 14:17:43 <Celestar> :P 14:18:14 <fjb> Your next sentence was about AMD drivers. 14:19:04 <petern> And was a different subject :) 14:19:26 <fjb> That was not very clear. 14:19:33 <Celestar> </subject> 14:19:37 <Celestar> AMD drivers suck. 14:19:43 <Celestar> betta? 14:19:57 <petern> Hmm, with vserver I keep seeing errors about ps :( 14:20:04 <petern> (I guess I just shouldn't run ps, heh) 14:20:35 <fjb> Much better. 14:23:04 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Excess Flood] 14:23:41 *** Ammler [~Ammler@members.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:29:34 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 14:31:08 <petern> Arrr 14:31:20 <petern> So there are special commands to run to show processes inside vservers. 14:35:34 <fjb> What is vserver? Something like BSD jails? 14:39:49 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 14:40:35 <petern> Sounds like it. 14:40:47 *** Celestar [~Jadzia_Da@galadriel.td.mw.tum.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:51:35 <planetmaker> Is there a way to truncate a string to a certain button width? 14:52:40 <planetmaker> Or is there no cure for strings exceeding buttons when resizing windows? 14:53:33 <planetmaker> s/windows/widgets/ 14:55:08 <jpm_> planetmaker: Thanks for updating shared infrastrucrure. 14:55:20 <Belugas> planetmaker: yes to the first question, yes to the second (or at least in the current state) 14:55:48 <planetmaker> Belugas: can you give me a hint how, please? 14:55:55 <Belugas> more generally, it's a troublesome stuff 14:55:58 <planetmaker> jpm: my pleasure :) 14:56:05 <jpm_> :) 14:56:27 <Belugas> there is a function to truncate strings before drawing, clipping it to given dimensions 14:56:38 <planetmaker> sounds cool :) 14:56:40 <Belugas> but it will not make the "component" grow 14:56:55 <planetmaker> how do you mean "make component grow"? 14:57:17 <planetmaker> resizing the button? No, that's not my intention, rather crippled strings :) 14:57:21 <Belugas> so for let say german long strings, you'll have stuff no one will understand 14:57:30 <planetmaker> yeah... 14:57:35 <Belugas> same for french, that is... 14:57:53 <Belugas> and i just can hear users complaining about that... 14:57:56 <planetmaker> I just updated the newgrf gui window - and when decreasing the size, text overflows 14:58:03 <Belugas> duh... 14:58:09 <planetmaker> especially to the left, leaving text on the screen, out of the window. 14:58:46 <planetmaker> Ok, I take your advice: keep it overflowing :P 14:58:58 <Belugas> not a simple one, and IIRC, Rubidium filled a bug report on it 14:59:10 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac570.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 14:59:27 <jpm_> planetmaker: When we last time tested it there was a odd bug: other players trains sundenly appeared into one of first players depot swicth was not even connected with others tracks... 14:59:29 <Belugas> planetmaker, idea is simple: better make it overflow and still understand, then truncate and wonder ;) 15:00:11 <planetmaker> he, yeah, :) Ok, then I'll stop worrying about that. And you have definitely a point there, Belugas. 15:00:39 <planetmaker> jpm_: can you provide a savegame where I could reproduce that? 15:01:09 <planetmaker> preferably with the new version :) 15:01:30 <planetmaker> which still is hacky a lot 15:02:05 <jpm_> planetmaker: yes, we will test new version during weekend and if bug is still there I will let you know.. 15:02:13 <planetmaker> thanks :) 15:02:41 <planetmaker> But I guess a thorough re-write of it is necessary at some stage anyway... :S 15:04:07 <Belugas> planetmaker,it has to be fixed one day, jsut that how to fix it in a clean way is a bit of a troublesome one. It might involve resizing the parent window to fit the newly expanded component, but since some strings are dynamic, ti would imply windows that keep on resizing. And might eventually be way too big to fit screen 15:05:07 <jpm_> planetmaker: We have discussed about some ideas to improve patch but I haven't had time to write them to forum... 15:05:11 <planetmaker> Belugas: yeah - especially in this newgrf gui case - which then might not fit on small devices anymore - but will, if allowed to overflow 15:05:25 <planetmaker> jpm_: feel free to add it there anytime :) 15:05:38 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-86-156.adslplus.ch] has joined #openttd 15:05:41 <planetmaker> It has also the advantage that I cannot forget :P 15:06:12 <jpm_> :) 15:07:51 <Ammler> :-) 15:11:24 <Belugas> 8-) 15:11:53 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-203-54-229-106.prem.tmns.net.au] has quit [] 15:12:12 <petern> pompiedom 15:12:27 <planetmaker> dumdidei 15:12:43 <jpm_> Actually, they are not just ideas but totally new consept for sharing and other stuff... 15:13:29 <planetmaker> well... ? 15:13:36 <jpm_> So I would need a lot time to write it to forum... 15:13:50 *** MetalBook is now known as Metalcore 15:14:26 <jpm_> but I will do it sometime. 15:14:31 <planetmaker> jpm_: same here. So forum is better to be remembered - and putting it down well structured :) 15:23:20 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:23:28 *** Dr_AFKyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0ED99.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:25:10 *** mikl [~mikl@cpe.ge-0-2-0-812.0x50c774be.boanqu1.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:29:43 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0DAB5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:52 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 15:42:24 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@p54B80A59.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: It's like, wah.] 15:46:27 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 15:50:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:53:39 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@snat1.spoje.net] has joined #openttd 15:59:01 *** Aali_ [~aali@84-217-21-151.tn.glocalnet.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:51 *** Aali [~aali@84-217-27-131.tn.glocalnet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:17 *** Aali_ is now known as Aali 16:08:41 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-15-154.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:08:50 *** Phoenix_the_II [rdeboom@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:13 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 16:18:14 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:19:24 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 16:21:32 <yorick> mmm, I have a problem reading the gamelog chunk from saves... first the GLCT_REVISION...it contains a char[15], uint32, uint16(saveload version), and uint8 modify information. 16:23:20 <yorick> 47 4C 4F 47 00 00 00 34 00 00 00 01 72 31 34 34 30 35 4D 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 00 38 45 00 66 02 00 01 00 04 01 05 47 4D 35 84 80 7C 9B 1D FD A8 A9 10 A2 B4 82 95 68 1F FF FF <-- this is the GLOG chunk 16:25:21 <yorick> chunkid is 47 4C 4F 47, which reads as GLOG, then comes 00, which is named "m", together with 00 00 34, it forms size 13312 16:26:03 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 16:29:00 *** Purno [~Purno@5350931D.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.] 16:30:54 <yorick> next byte is 00, which forms at, then comes 00 00, which forms "tick", 01 is ct, marking game revision, next 15 bytes are revision string, then newgrf_version, (07 00 38 45) 1161297927, 00 66 should be sl_version, so I expect it to be 102, but instead it is 26773 :S 16:31:52 <yorick> 02 is the modify information, makes more sense 16:36:06 <Yexo> yorick: 00 66 == 102 in either big endian or little endian, not sure which one 16:38:06 <yorick> big endian 16:42:36 <petern> ((uint32)_sl_version << 8 | _sl_minor_version) 16:42:37 <petern> That? 16:43:25 <yorick> yes, that. 16:43:25 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@82.117.133.162] has joined #openttd 16:43:25 <petern> Hmm 16:43:36 <petern> Then 00 is minor 16:43:39 <petern> and 66 is major 16:43:44 <yorick> no, not that 16:44:04 <yorick> 00 66 is 102 in big endian... 16:44:20 <yorick> and the size makes a whole lot more sense all of a sudden 16:45:01 *** Metalcore is now known as MetalDamnBookstore 16:45:57 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:57:13 <dih> yorick, doing any good work? 16:57:27 <ln> http://englishrussia.com/?p=2074 17:12:57 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@82.117.133.162] has quit [Quit: Quit] 17:15:11 <yorick> dih: if you can call savegame parsing any good work... 17:17:59 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@82.117.133.162] has joined #openttd 17:25:56 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:01 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:37:11 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:37:27 <Wolf01> hello 17:38:50 *** extspotter [~extspotte@host86-140-131-137.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:54 <extspotter> hi everyone 17:39:19 <extspotter> I have just finished my BA 732 and want to know which program I need to compile the |GRF 17:39:59 <yorick> grfcodec 17:40:38 <extspotter> thanks yorick 17:41:03 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:41:14 <yorick> are openttd saves always big-endian on little-endian systems? 17:42:17 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:42:29 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 17:42:33 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [] 17:42:48 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:47:16 <petern> They're saved byte-by-byte. 17:47:19 *** extspotter [~extspotte@host86-140-131-137.range86-140.btcentralplus.com] has left #openttd [] 17:47:25 <petern> Well... formatted that way, heh... 17:51:09 <glx> unless it's a 'real' uint16 17:51:51 <glx> but still it's saved/read byte-by-byte 17:52:02 *** MetalDamnBookstore is now known as Metalcore 17:53:41 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:21 *** Yeggs-work is now known as Yeggstry 17:57:02 <welshdragon> Brianetta, that was a nice reply to the server restart request on standad 17:57:39 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has quit [Quit: AS A VAGINA ONCE SAID: <yorick> SOMEONE BAN HIM] 17:59:13 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:30 <yorick> the VEHS chunk is not a RIFF? 17:59:31 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-83-100-138-245.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 17:59:48 <Brianetta> welshdragon: Server restarts are not, in my opinion, a good reason to page the admins. 17:59:59 <Brianetta> The admins do check periodically whether the game is getting old. 18:00:20 <welshdragon> hmm 18:05:04 *** lobster [~michielbi@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 18:07:43 <Brianetta> rock lobster 18:08:07 <petern> Is that a dish? 18:08:14 <Brianetta> B52s 18:20:19 <Brianetta> Makefile:152: Makefile.bundle: No such file or directory 18:20:19 <Brianetta> ? 18:20:38 <lobster> tudududututututuuu 18:20:46 <lobster> ROCK LOBSTER 18:24:01 <yorick> Brianetta: does it say anythin else 18:24:15 <yorick> it is more like a lobster dish, I guess 18:30:55 *** Ammller [~Ammler@adsl-84-226-86-156.adslplus.ch] has quit [] 18:33:30 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@f051071065.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:27 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@82.117.133.162] has quit [Quit: Quit] 18:37:30 *** FR^2 [fr@oscar.frquadrat.de] has joined #openttd 18:40:30 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has joined #openttd 18:40:38 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179084152.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:38 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 18:40:41 <fjb> Hm, PBI and hose carriages don't mix that well. And passengers don't give enough money... 18:41:16 *** dvo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:57 <Eddi|zuHause> hose carriages? they carry hoses? 18:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> are they firefighters? 18:43:20 <fjb> Firefighters carry horses? 18:44:14 <Eddi|zuHause> "hose" ~ "Schlauch" 18:44:14 <yorick> no, hoses carry firefighters. 18:47:00 *** trainboy2004 [~trainboy2@cp734887-a.gelen1.lb.home.nl] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 18:48:04 <petern> hoses made from horses? 18:49:31 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2E728.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:20 <fjb> Oh... 18:50:49 <Belugas> ...rses 18:51:12 <Eddi|zuHause> he's not french ;) 18:52:02 <Eddi|zuHause> waah... savegame compatibility is a bitch... 18:52:07 <Belugas> what do you mean? he's not subtil? 18:52:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, something like that :p 18:53:17 <yorick> Eddi: hehe 18:53:34 <yorick> I'm experiencing that problem right now 18:54:26 *** Dr_AFKyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0ED99.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: http://www.lagerwiki.de - das Wiki rund um's Thema Lager und Logistik] 19:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> wÀÀh... i give up 19:06:52 <yorick> what's the problem? 19:07:34 <Eddi|zuHause> celestar has done some "clean this savegame mess up" commits 19:07:36 *** MapperOG [~MapperOG@p57B2E728.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:07:46 <glx> good luck :) 19:08:00 <petern> Hmm, Beeching on BBC4 19:08:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't have that, obviously ;) 19:09:44 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:10:32 <Eddi|zuHause> the saveload stuff should be done with less magic numbers 19:11:20 <yorick> it doesn't have _that_ much 19:11:31 <yorick> but some less magic wouldn't hurt 19:12:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it's too much magic if you mix different patches which change saveload version 19:12:25 * yorick just decoded map array magic and implemented it in python 19:12:44 <planetmaker> 21:10 Eddi|zuHause: [20:50:20] waah... savegame compatibility is a bitch... <-- for me it works to introduce a patch version which is far bigger than current trunk 19:12:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i definitely don't envy you, yorick :p 19:12:59 <yorick> hehe 19:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> at least i know it fails in chunk ECMY 19:14:44 <planetmaker> and I defined a var such as SAVEGAME_VERSION which gives me the patch version - saves me modifying the files again and again when the trunk savegame version bumps 19:15:46 *** Pikita [~sam@89.241.164.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> YES! 19:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it works ;) 19:18:04 <yorick> hack percentage: 90%! 19:18:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-211-65.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:18:50 <Eddi|zuHause> but it sets the newgrf palette incorrectly... 19:19:11 <yorick> hack percentage: 93%! 19:21:01 * yorick ponders skipping the PATS chunk 19:21:38 <Ammler> who do I need to blame for that? http://mz.openttdcoop.org/screens/opensuse_packman_up_bug.png 19:21:39 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:49 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 19:22:08 <Ammler> opensuse means, I have newer version installed 19:22:25 <petern> Ammler, not us :D 19:22:37 <Ammler> :-) 19:22:59 <petern> That sentence was very wrong. 19:23:42 <Ammler> which? 19:23:43 <petern> "means, I have" -> "says I have a" 19:24:01 <Ammler> ah, ok, thanks 19:24:45 <Eddi|zuHause> blame packman, not suse 19:25:26 <petern> Or whoever packaged it... 19:25:37 <planetmaker> that packman uses my nick's short for his :S 19:26:07 <planetmaker> btw, petern, where did your numbers go? :) 19:26:09 <petern> Person? 19:26:11 <petern> Err 19:26:12 <petern> Pardon? 19:26:23 <planetmaker> 1 1 3 8 :) 19:26:30 <petern> I meant before that. 19:26:46 <planetmaker> in the filename: ...pm... 19:27:01 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: Let n=1138... 19:27:11 <planetmaker> lol :) 19:27:30 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i want to start a new game, bt i miss some requirements 19:27:41 <petern> "short for his" -> "short form for itself" 19:27:48 <Eddi|zuHause> a) a german town name generator for >3000 names 19:27:51 <Eddi|zuHause> b) shunting 19:28:02 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:28:04 <petern> (Clearly this is correction night :D) 19:28:17 <petern> Prof_Frink! Throw a brick at the telly! 19:28:32 <petern> Dr Beeching :o 19:28:39 <planetmaker> err... petern: why itself? He certainly has a gender different than neuter... 19:29:01 <Eddi|zuHause> packman is not one single person 19:29:05 <petern> It is software, it has no gender. 19:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a project 19:29:11 <planetmaker> ah... ok :) 19:29:38 <planetmaker> thanks for enlightenment. 19:30:33 <petern> It's railway night on BBC4, apparently. 19:30:43 <petern> Abandonned railways now... 19:30:44 <Brianetta> Why doen't make install work? 19:31:16 <petern> How far does it get? 19:31:23 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:31:28 <Brianetta> make[1]: Entering directory `/home/brian/openttd-0.6/objs/release' 19:31:28 <Brianetta> [SRC] No such source-file: install.[c|cpp|mm|rc] 19:31:42 <Sacro> oh dear :\ 19:31:53 <Brianetta> Sacro: That game you lost in screen was in screen 19:31:59 <Brianetta> just in another window 19:32:05 <Brianetta> I found the game that got quit by rcon 19:32:31 <Prof_Frink> < Brianetta> Sacro: That game you lost 19:32:51 <petern> Sacro lost the game :D 19:32:57 <Brianetta> er 19:33:02 <Brianetta> He lost it, as in, down the sofa 19:33:05 <Aali> damn you all 19:33:10 <Aali> i just lost the game :( 19:33:24 <Prof_Frink> Aali: Nah, it's OK 19:33:25 <Sacro> :( 19:33:30 <Sacro> I accidentally the game 19:33:40 <Prof_Frink> Sacro is a game-loss lightning conductor. 19:33:45 <Brianetta> so anyway 19:33:48 <Brianetta> make install 19:33:49 <Brianetta> doesn't 19:34:13 <Prof_Frink> make install-please 19:34:15 <Brianetta> in fact, there doesn't appear to be an install: target in the Makefile 19:34:16 <petern> make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/petern/ottd/svn/0.6.3/objs/release' 19:34:16 <petern> [BUNDLE] Constructing bundle 19:34:16 <petern> [INSTALL] Installing OpenTTD 19:34:16 <petern> install: cannot create directory `///usr/local/share/pixmaps': Permission denied 19:35:03 <Brianetta> petern: Which command did you use? 19:35:08 <petern> install: is in makefile.bundle 19:35:19 <petern> M 19:35:26 <petern> Just make install 19:36:12 <Brianetta> http://paste.openttd.org/116184 19:36:59 <petern> Hmm 19:37:12 <petern> I should try sudo :) 19:38:33 <Aali> Brianetta: have you tried to re-./configure? 19:39:52 <petern> Hmm, works fine with sudo :o 19:39:57 <Brianetta> Aali: Yes. 19:40:05 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=733723#p733723 <--- Your comment on this implementation / update of the newgrf gui window would be very much appreciated, petern :) 19:40:09 * petern wonders where it installed too... 19:40:35 <petern> -o 19:40:36 <planetmaker> nvm - on thing after the oter :) 19:40:39 <petern> Hmm, bundle/ 19:40:44 <planetmaker> *one 19:41:22 <petern> Brianetta, what version of make do you have? 19:43:22 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:35 <Belugas> question: anyone is fluent in spanish enough to translate a text for me? 19:47:45 <Eddi|zuHause> we won't ever know that unless you show the text ;) 19:48:03 <Brianetta> GNU Make 3.81 19:48:44 <Belugas> and now? ----> http://paste.openttd.org/116191 19:49:15 <petern> Same as mine :o 19:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "llamada" sounds like "is called" to me 19:51:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "this function is called when the component MainMenuXP is modified" 19:51:53 <yorick> google translate: "/ / This function is called when the component is modified MainMenuXP " 19:52:12 <yorick> "This function is called when the component MainMenuXp is modified 19:52:29 <yorick> "/ / (Add or remove items), traveling all items by changing the event OnDrawItem " 19:53:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i forgot what "hacer" meant 19:54:02 <yorick> try "hack" 19:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (i assume that hacia is a derived form of hacer) 19:54:39 <yorick> "Function to my own" is what google translate makes it 19:56:15 <Eddi|zuHause> hacer is some of those allround words ;) 19:56:24 <lobster> is #openttd interested in Lobster's Black Metal Picks Show @ Z.radio?? 19:56:29 * lobster guesses not 19:56:32 <Eddi|zuHause> like "do" in english 19:56:42 <Chrill> donez, Brianetta, will send it to you 19:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> it could mean almost anything 19:56:48 <petern> lobster, yes 19:56:51 <Brianetta> Chrill: ight 19:57:18 <yorick> (http://www.musicalspanish.com/tutorial/hacer.htm) 19:57:21 <yorick> to do or to make 19:57:27 <Eddi|zuHause> http://dict.leo.org/esde?lp=esde&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=std&chinese=both&pinyin=diacritic&search=hacer&relink=on 19:57:40 <murray> to make cake 19:58:29 <Aali> lobster: Z.radio? is that a webradio? 19:58:38 <lobster> petern, Aali: yes 19:58:44 <lobster> i'll dig up the URL for you 19:58:48 <Aali> nice 19:59:05 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: look at that link, there are at least 30 different meanings there ;) 19:59:34 * Brianetta prods Chrill in de Ville 19:59:36 <lobster> http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/ 19:59:43 <welshdragon> http://radio.zernebok.com:8080/ live.ogg or live.mp3 19:59:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Chrille? 19:59:55 <yorick> Eddi: and almost all could be replaced by "to do" or "to make" 19:59:57 <welshdragon> lobster was 50% correct 19:59:59 <Belugas> thanks for translations :) 20:00:15 <Chrill> Sent 20:00:18 <Chrill> Eddi|zuHause? 20:00:25 <lobster> sorry 20:00:38 <Chrill> Brianetta, check TT-forums inbox 20:00:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Chrill: nothing, just a play on Brianetta's phrase ;) 20:00:47 <Chrill> xD 20:00:47 <Brianetta> have it 20:00:51 <Chrill> Swedes call me Chrille :( 20:00:52 * Brianetta renames it slightly 20:00:52 <lobster> i don't know iff *.ogg works 20:00:55 <Chrill> do so 20:00:57 <Chrill> Chrill-eh 20:01:27 <Aali> yeah *.ogg is dead 20:01:35 <yorick> :o your LEO doesn't even have nl-de :-( 20:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: germans tend to avoid the word "do" like the plague ;) 20:01:55 <yorick> do they? 20:02:06 <petern> They do. 20:02:07 <planetmaker> bad style :P 20:02:26 <yorick> english does not, I think 20:02:51 <lobster> Aali: sorry, NiceCast doesn't seem to like it 20:02:56 <lobster> i'll try and fix it 20:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> english does use the word do almost everywhere 20:03:05 <planetmaker> yorick: if you use it too often it sounds probably similar like africaans to you :) 20:03:13 <Aali> lobster: mp3 is fine though :) 20:03:35 <lobster> alright, good :D 20:04:08 <yorick> planetmaker: africaans is with a k 20:04:42 <Eddi|zuHause> yorick: leo started out with en-de only, they subsequently added more and more languages... maybe you can convince (or help) them to do nl-de as well ;) 20:04:53 <planetmaker> I cannot spy a single k in the work you wrote, yorick ;) 20:05:08 <Prof_Frink> planetmaker: He's a gnome user. 20:05:09 <planetmaker> *word 20:05:25 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't it be afrigaans then? 20:06:18 *** Frostregen [~sucks@dslb-084-058-110-201.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:06:32 *** yorick [~Yorick@s55924da0.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Quit: Poef!] 20:08:45 <Ammler> I have spoken to packman guy, now. :-) 20:09:07 <Ammler> the problem is that 0.6.0RC > 0.6.0 20:09:41 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B49D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:07 <Ammler> does someone here use the debian packages? 20:14:43 <Ammler> packman says, that debian users will have the same problem. 20:15:03 <lobster> what kind of OS is Debian anyway? 20:15:08 <lobster> Linux version? 20:15:14 <Ammler> no, debian. 20:15:31 <Ammler> lobster, wasn't serious? 20:15:47 <lobster> sorry, i was... i'm a bit of a noob, perhaps 20:15:52 <lobster> i shall wiki it 20:16:17 <Ammler> Debian ist a independent Linux Distribution 20:16:20 <Brianetta> Debian uses Linux 20:16:21 <petern> ist! 20:16:29 <Ammler> oh, sorry :-) 20:16:32 <lobster> ah, yes 20:16:32 <Brianetta> although they're adamant that they don't *have* to use Linux 20:16:50 <lobster> sort of the Linux splinter group 20:16:52 <Brianetta> They'd be happy to use Hurd if it, you know, actually existed 20:16:55 <lobster> Linux RAF 20:17:08 <Brianetta> Linux splinter group? 20:17:15 <Brianetta> I don't get you 20:17:38 <lobster> splinter group is a radical faction of a larger entity 20:17:46 <Brianetta> Linux is a kernel 20:17:48 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: my SwissTowns grf :-) 20:17:55 <lobster> it was a figure of speech 20:17:59 <lobster> and a joke, at that 20:18:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but they are... swiss... 20:18:11 <Brianetta> ok )-: 20:18:16 * Brianetta didn't get it 20:18:17 <Prof_Frink> lobster: rms' beard is the radical faction of linuxy peoples 20:18:19 <Ammler> :P 20:19:44 <Ammler> not sure, if german towns can be generated... 20:20:04 <Ammler> well, you could maybe combine it with real names. 20:21:19 <Ammler> there is no Debian user here? 20:21:31 <Wolf01> 'night 20:21:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host213-160-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:22:35 <Brianetta> Announcement: Brianetta's Standard Server is hosting a guest scenario by Chrill. 20:22:38 <Brianetta> All are welcome. 20:23:14 <Eddi|zuHause> btw, Brianetta, some fact about the licensing stuff for MBs graphics, technically, licenses in germany (by default) only cover uses that are known at the time of giving the license, so when the grf was released long before newgrf support in openttd was to be expected, the license would not cover the use in openttd 20:24:21 <Ammler> [22:22] <Brianetta> All are welcome. <-- you mean 10 :P 20:25:40 <petern> There are Debian users here, yes. 20:27:05 <Prof_Frink> Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 20:27:49 <Ammler> [22:25] <petern> There are Debian users here, yes. <-- could they install the 0.6.0RC1 and check if debian detect 0.6.0 as update. 20:28:00 <Ammler> or with 0.6.3 :-) 20:30:17 <Brianetta> Eddi: I'm not subject to German law 20:30:23 <petern> 0.6.3~rc1-1 20:30:23 <petern> vs 20:30:26 <petern> 0.6.3-1 20:30:29 *** fonso [~fonso@brln-d9bac570.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:06 <petern> But as they're not in a repo, I can't tell you what happens for updates. 20:31:21 <petern> However, I shall assume that the debian packages are not retarded, and will upgrade properly. 20:31:59 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: concerning copyright, both the jurisdiction of the copyright holder, and the jurisdiction of the licensee/potential copyright infringer matters 20:34:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Brianetta: one effect of this is for example licenses given out to distribute music do not cover distributing music over the internet, if the license is given out before 1995 20:34:29 <Eddi|zuHause> in that case, new licenses covering the previously unknown way of distributing must be given out 20:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause> (and paid for in an appropriate way) 20:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> it probably won't have an effect on trivial changes, like switching from CDs to DVDs, as they basically are the same 20:36:27 <Brianetta> Eddi: Thanks for the legal advice. I shall take it all on board. 20:37:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i have to deny the fact that this is legal advice. you need to be a certified lawyer to give legal advice, which i am not ;) 20:38:08 <Prof_Frink> 2] 20:38:08 <Prof_Frink> [#openttd] 20:38:26 <FauxFaux> Gj. 20:38:41 <Brianetta> OK, off to watch Death Race 2000 20:38:47 <Prof_Frink> Note to self: Point at something not-IRC when wiping dust off middle mouse button 20:38:49 <Brianetta> See how it ocmparesto the one in the cinema 20:39:05 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-0-83-170.leed.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 20:39:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: i suggest turning off the mouse first :p 20:39:38 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Not that easy 20:39:56 <Prof_Frink> Well, I could probably poke something in /dev 20:40:18 <Prof_Frink> But I don't know what 20:45:19 <Ammler> also http://binaries.openttd.org/releases/ does sort it the other way... 20:46:42 <petern> ... 20:46:48 <petern> That's an alphabetic directory list. 20:47:26 <glx> filename and internal version are different things 20:49:21 <petern> Ammler, again, complain to the packman package packager, not us :) 20:50:05 <Ammler> petern: I did :-) 20:50:33 <Ammler> hmm, maybe the "-1" does the "trick" 20:51:32 <glx> for debian the "~" does the trick 20:51:43 <glx> not in filename but in version 20:56:59 <blathijs> petern: Ammler: The Debian versioning is correct, ~ is sorted before everything, including the end-of-string 20:57:38 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:59:35 <blathijs> Ammler: And the ~ has been added to allow exactly these kinds of versioning schemes to work (works since Debian etch IIRC) 20:59:58 <petern> Way before etch, I'm sure. 21:00:10 <petern> So I'm probably wrong :D 21:00:40 <Ammler> so openttd is not the only app using that scheme? 21:01:28 <petern> What, "x.x.xRCx" ? 21:03:06 <fjb> I'm giving up trying to start a game before 1831. 21:03:38 <petern> Swallow Livery! 21:03:49 <blathijs> petern: No, the ~ was added not too long ago. Perhaps sarge, but certainly not before that. 21:04:21 <petern> Sarge is long ago :) 21:05:42 *** Yexo_ [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 21:05:48 *** Yexo is now known as Guest2833 21:05:48 *** Yexo_ is now known as Yexo 21:07:25 <blathijs> petern: It's only one release before Etch, so I wouldn't say "way before Etch" :-) 21:07:34 <blathijs> Ammler: Yeah, there are other apps using that scheme 21:07:38 <blathijs> Ammler: Why? 21:07:46 *** Guest2833 [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:18 <Ammler> just wondering, if it is a "specia"l openttd scheme, or something official debianish. 21:08:35 <blathijs> Ammler: Try "aptitude search ~Vrc" 21:08:57 <Ammler> blathijs: I don't have debian 21:09:10 <blathijs> Ammler: Then install Debian first! :-p 21:09:17 <Ammler> that's why I am aksing such noobish question about. 21:09:41 <blathijs> I'd hazard a guess that under a percent of Debian users actually know about the version sorting of ~ 21:09:44 <petern> True... everything's slow with debian :D 21:09:46 <blathijs> So hardly noobish :-p 21:09:52 <blathijs> petern: Just run unstable :-) 21:09:54 <petern> Possibly only TTDPatch's release schedule is slower. 21:10:02 <petern> blathijs, no, I *like* etch ;) 21:10:19 <fjb> babylon:~> aptitude search ~Vrc 21:10:22 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [] 21:10:23 <Ammler> well, debian is not for my league. 21:10:33 <fjb> unknown user: ~Vrc 21:10:45 <fjb> :-P 21:12:41 <Prof_Frink> petern: That's why we have Umbongo! 21:20:52 *** welshdragon is now known as welshdra-gone 21:23:18 <Eddi|zuHause> <petern> Possibly only TTDPatch's release schedule is slower. <- then there's still MB's release schedule ;) 21:25:05 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: [FATAL] Client error: Memory leak - More RAM needed. More! More! More!] 21:25:28 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Three things: 21:25:36 <Prof_Frink> 1. GNU Hurd 21:25:44 <Prof_Frink> 2. Enlightenment DR17 21:25:50 <Prof_Frink> 2. Duke Nukem Forever 21:25:53 <Prof_Frink> s/2/3/ 21:25:59 <Belugas> pffffff... time to go... at last 21:26:00 <Belugas> bye 21:26:01 <Belugas> bye 21:26:08 <Prof_Frink> beautiful 21:28:34 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F899.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:37:37 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.176.158.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:43 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 21:47:19 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103c8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:25 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad103c8.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 21:47:29 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c80-216-96-107.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 21:53:06 *** Dred_furst` [~Dred_furs@resnet669.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... there's another one of those Scrubs puns that i can't imagine how the english original would have been. 21:54:13 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet669.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> there's an episode where a danish patient is in the hospital, and he can't speak english, so his brother translates for him 21:54:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and the brother does not tell that the guy has a serious desease 21:54:55 <Aali> why dont you just watch the original episodes? :P 21:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> later in the episode there's a daydream where they stomp on red balloons, in the background playing "99 Luftballons" (99 red balloons) 21:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and after the daydream ends, JD says in the german version "'DÀnen lÃŒgen nicht' wÀre ein besserer Song gewesen" 21:56:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it translates as "'Danes don't lie' would have been a better song 21:56:48 <Nite_Owl> Good song 21:56:52 <Aali> which season? 21:56:56 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a play on another german song, called "TrÀnen lÃŒgen nicht" 21:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> (tears don't lie) 21:57:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i don't remember which season 21:57:52 <Eddi|zuHause> spontaneously i'd say around season 3 21:58:01 <Aali> yeah, its not after season 3 21:59:35 <Ammler> blathijs: I have a self made RC1 build here, the version string has the normal dash: http://paste.openttd.org/116245 21:59:39 <Ammler> ups 21:59:54 <Ammler> 0.6.3-RC1 22:00:47 <Ammler> so does that mean, you need manual work for debian release? 22:02:20 <blathijs> Ammler: How is your grub config relevant? 22:02:34 <Ammler> thats my ups for :-) 22:02:53 <blathijs> Ah :-) 22:03:14 <Ammler> I should sometime add windows again there :-) 22:03:39 <blathijs> Ammler: Normal dash in the debian version, or what? 22:03:44 <Ammler> but I fear the online updates 22:03:58 <Ammler> blathijs: the version string is: 0.6.3-RC1 22:04:04 <Ammler> so no ~ 22:04:25 <blathijs> Ammler: Is that what openttd reports, or aptitude? 22:04:26 <Ammler> so it seems, you manually change that for debian builds? 22:04:31 <blathijs> Ah, like that 22:04:41 <Ammler> ./openttd -h 22:04:42 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: season 2, episode 20, - My Interpretation ;) 22:04:50 <blathijs> yes, the Debian version number is always based on os/debian/changelog 22:04:51 <Ammler> or ./findversion.sh 22:05:38 <blathijs> And in the case of official Debian releases, the changelog file that I keep myself, outside of the openttd svn 22:05:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: so... what does he say there? 22:05:56 <blathijs> Anyway, I'm off to bed 22:06:02 <blathijs> See you later! 22:06:11 <Ammler> thanks blathijs 22:06:15 <Aali> Eddi|zuHause: after that song? 22:06:17 <Aali> let me check 22:06:24 <Ammler> good night. 22:06:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, right afterwars 22:06:30 <Eddi|zuHause> +d 22:09:20 <Aali> he just says: "Nah, that would never work" 22:09:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's really one of the rare occurances where the translation adds a joke ;) 22:10:10 <Aali> seems like it 22:10:11 <Aali> heh 22:15:14 *** Sacro [~Ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:20 <glx> <Eddi|zuHause> there's an episode where a danish patient is in the hospital, and he can't speak english, so his brother translates for him <-- hmm in french it's a german patient IIRC 22:19:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C0CA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:23:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r14433 /branches/noai/ (179 files in 10 dirs): [NoAI] -Sync: with trunk r14420:14421. 22:27:27 *** sulai [~Miranda@p5B2B49D2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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