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00:00:38 <benjamingoodger> well, yeah 00:00:47 <benjamingoodger> nineteen ninety four ftw 00:05:19 <Belugas> not always. but i guess its the case with scripts indeed 00:05:25 <Belugas> what's wrong with that? 00:06:08 <benjamingoodger> well, it's pretty maddening that it only reads /usr/share/games/openttd/data and ignores ./.openttd/data 00:06:20 <benjamingoodger> because then I have to get root in order to install grfs 00:06:43 <Aali> you must be doing something wrong, then 00:06:49 <Aali> i have all my grfs in my user dir 00:07:03 <Aali> and cfg and saves per installation 00:07:05 <Belugas> ho... under Linux... can't tell you, i'm on the Windows side of the cpu 00:07:09 <Aali> always worked flawlessly 00:07:59 <benjamingoodger> it reads cfg and saves fine 00:08:01 <benjamingoodger> just not data 00:08:03 <benjamingoodger> irritatingly 00:08:36 <Aali> what files did you put in there? 00:08:48 <Aali> i only keep ottd's own file in the install dir 00:09:02 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has quit [Quit: Caught sigterm, terminating...] 00:09:03 <benjamingoodger> put where? 00:09:20 <Aali> *files 00:09:58 <Aali> as in, open*.grf and orig* go in data/ per install, the rest goes in data/ in my user dir 00:10:07 <benjamingoodger> ah 00:10:11 <benjamingoodger> that doesn't seem to work 00:10:18 <Aali> odd 00:10:23 <benjamingoodger> it only works if they are put in data/-per-install 00:10:54 <Aali> where's your config file? 00:11:08 <benjamingoodger> ~/.openttd/ 00:11:20 <benjamingoodger> the grfs are in /usr/share..... though 00:11:24 <Aali> try moving it to install dir 00:11:29 <Aali> or copying 00:11:56 <Aali> because i never use the cfg i have in my user dir, i keep them per-install 00:12:10 <benjamingoodger> hmm, very well 00:15:41 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:33:11 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 00:33:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77D91.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:40:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:40:48 <Char> hmmm 00:40:55 <Char> looking at the landscape generators available 00:41:04 <Char> i feel tempted to make my own one ;) 00:41:16 <Aali> you always say hmm before asking a question 00:41:42 <Aali> that was more of a statement though :P 00:42:29 <Aali> and, are you talking about heightmap generators or the actual landscape generators in ottd? 00:43:20 <Belugas> what more will you bring in? 00:43:29 <Char> hmmm 00:43:29 <Belugas> mmh... 00:43:32 <Belugas> would 00:43:34 <Belugas> not will 00:43:42 <Char> the original one just simply sucks 00:43:50 <Char> and the new one 00:44:14 <Char> i like mountainous landscapes 00:44:40 <Char> but the one it generates 00:44:49 <Char> if you set it to "very smooth" it is horrible 00:44:58 <Char> if you set it to "rough" it is equally horrible 00:45:05 <Char> and the landscapes look so... unreal 00:45:08 <Char> non-creative :P 00:45:15 <Char> i would like to have more options 00:45:19 <Char> but i might be alone there 00:45:30 <benjamingoodger> I find the non-smooth isn't smooth enough 00:45:32 <Belugas> if you're gopod enough to write your own, would n't it be easier to simply fix the current one? 00:45:34 <SmatZ> [01:43:44] <Char> the original one just simply sucks <== don't hurt anyone's feelings :-P 00:45:37 <benjamingoodger> very-smooth rather 00:45:49 <benjamingoodger> the trouble is that the scales are all screwed up 00:45:58 <Belugas> ho... and "sucks" <--- so freakingly descriptive :P 00:45:59 <Char> hmmm? 00:46:08 <benjamingoodger> we have towns within six tiles of each other 00:46:10 <Char> problem is also that you cannot have really high mountains 00:46:21 <Belugas> the scales are not screwed, ben. they are what they are. 00:46:25 <benjamingoodger> I forget what size the tiles are, but I think it's about 12m 00:46:35 <Char> well 00:46:38 <Belugas> it's irrelevant 00:46:42 <Aali> 1 tile is 1 tile 00:46:49 <Belugas> it's the size they are, that's it 00:46:51 <Char> if you calculate with train speeds, they are about 800km 00:46:54 <Belugas> yeah :) 00:47:00 <benjamingoodger> obviously, having a town 60m away from another town is improper 00:47:06 <Eddi|zuHause> my problem with scales is that there are not enough height levels 00:47:14 <Char> yeah 00:47:21 <Char> would it be possible to add more height levels? 00:47:23 <Aali> wasn't there a patch for 127 height levels? 00:47:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't have cool mountain ranges 00:47:37 <Aali> but that probably butchered the map array 00:47:52 <Aali> and will not go into trunk this century 00:47:55 <Eddi|zuHause> adding height levels is not too difficult 00:48:04 <SmatZ> it depends... 00:48:17 <SmatZ> at many places there is "byte" for z coordinate 00:48:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but "byte" would be 256, not 16, like currently 00:48:52 <SmatZ> also, have fun rewriting the drawing routines not to be glitchy or slow 00:49:01 <Aali> oh, right, tiles only define one height, not 4 corners 00:49:03 <Aali> my bad 00:49:52 <SmatZ> TILE_HEIGHT = 8, ///< The standard height-difference between tiles on two levels is 8 (z-diff 8) 00:50:01 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: ^^^ 8 * 127 > 256 00:50:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well, even if you had more height levels, you still need cliffs for proper mountains 00:50:10 <benjamingoodger> yes 00:50:28 <SmatZ> with cliffs, you need really different approach to drawing 00:50:30 <benjamingoodger> the idea that something should drop 50 metres, pm 0, is silly 00:50:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, right, SmatZ... forgot about that 00:50:55 <Eddi|zuHause> well, not necessarily cliffs, but more height levels for one slope tile 00:51:06 <Char> still 00:51:16 <Char> even if the difference is 8 00:51:25 <Char> 8*32 = 256 00:51:30 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:51:33 <Char> which would allow for 32 height levels 00:52:01 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and then check wether all bit-packing places have that additional bit free 00:52:26 <SmatZ> also it would be unpleasant if any tile was completely hidden behind another 00:52:43 <SmatZ> you couldn't build anything there (from user interface) 00:52:58 <SmatZ> or you would have to be able to rotate the map... 00:53:00 <Eddi|zuHause> just implement a rotatable map :p 00:53:15 <SmatZ> :) 00:53:43 <benjamingoodger> good night 00:53:48 <SmatZ> nn ben 00:53:57 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 00:55:17 <Char> hmmm 00:55:34 <Char> well 00:55:42 <Char> i will go for the current map generator for now ;) 01:02:28 <Eddi|zuHause> if you are really going to implement a new terrain generator, look at other games that create maps, for example there is a "tectonics" map generator for civ4 that tries to simulate earth like maps by moving small and big plates against each other and generating mountains and oceans like that 01:03:05 <SmatZ> hehe 01:04:08 <Eddi|zuHause> what often disturbs me about TGP landscapes is that they are too regular. there is not one hilly area and one flat area. there are only more or less smooth hills 01:05:23 <Char> hmmm 01:05:24 <Char> well 01:05:42 <Char> i will have to see how much effort it would realistically be to build a map generator 01:05:47 <Char> but 01:05:52 <Char> the idea is tempting 01:06:02 <Char> another question 01:06:08 <Char> conditional orders is a GRF> 01:06:08 <Char> ? 01:06:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no 01:06:31 <Eddi|zuHause> conditional orders are in trunk builds (nightlies) 01:06:40 <Char> oh 01:06:41 <Char> okay 01:06:46 <Char> and how do i give them? 01:07:05 <Eddi|zuHause> they are slightly hidden in the order window ;) 01:07:29 <Char> forum search is down 01:07:34 <Char> but google helps :P 01:12:00 <Char> but it doesnt work 01:12:09 <Char> i can not set the conditional order jumps it seems 01:12:15 <Char> or maybe i am just too stupid 01:13:02 <Char> ah 01:13:03 <Char> now it works 01:13:13 <Char> doesnt give me the options i was looking for, though ;) 01:14:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.234] has joined #openttd 01:15:24 <Char> actually i found out that it is possible to make the game really hard 01:15:29 <Aali> there's a patch called more conditional orders 01:15:34 <Char> hmmm 01:15:44 <Aali> it has the things you really wanted from cond. orders 01:18:08 <Aali> because, honestly, the things you can do with cond. orders in the nightlies is hardly, if ever useful 01:18:53 *** AgentLeMan [~AgentLeMa@Pcae2.p.pppool.de] has joined #openttd 01:18:59 <thingwath> Eddi|zuHause: how large is, say, 256x256 openttd map supposed to be in 'real life'? 01:19:26 <Aali> openttd isn't supposed to be in real life 01:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of a question is that? 01:19:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i should refer you to Belugas ;) 01:19:44 <thingwath> speaking about map generators 01:19:57 <Rubidium> anywhere between a few hundred meters and a few hundred kilometers 01:20:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.188.235] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:20:16 <AgentLeMan> 2048 tiles at a tile size of 50 m would make a 102km * 102km page. 01:20:42 <Char> with trains needing ~ 1 year to get from one side to the other 01:20:58 <thingwath> :-) 01:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you can reasonably well display the earth on a 2048x1024 map, or the netherlands on a 2048x2048 map 01:21:48 <Eddi|zuHause> with totally different scales 01:22:17 <AgentLeMan> thingwath, 256*256 tiles= 327,680 m² i think 01:22:23 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest1762 01:22:29 *** DorpsGek [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 01:22:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 01:23:04 <AgentLeMan> earth = 510,072,000 km² 01:23:14 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 01:23:20 <Rubidium> thingwath, more precisely: a tile is between ~10 meters and ~700 km 01:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> but i fail to see the relevance for a map generator 01:24:19 <AgentLeMan> Rubidium? 01:24:36 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:37 *** keyweed_ [~keyweed@home.keyweed.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:37 *** blathijs [~matthijs@drsnuggles.stderr.nl] has joined #openttd 01:24:50 *** keyweed [~keyweed@home.keyweed.com] has joined #openttd 01:25:07 *** Guest1762 [truebrain@openttd.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:11 <Rubidium> or make a bitmask of the "types" that it could be returning 01:25:26 <Rubidium> stupid lag :( 01:25:53 <Rubidium> the relevance to the map generator is that there is no answer for the question how large a tile is 01:26:15 <Char> DB Set XL doesnt work in tropic climate ?!? 01:27:16 <Char> Rubidium: do i need to know? 01:27:25 <Char> realistically 01:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> no, DBSetXL only works in temperate 01:28:02 <Char> i would put a tile at ~ 100m with 50m height difference between height levels, giving hills up to 400m high 01:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> or in arctic, when the alpine climate is loaded 01:28:13 <Char> is there a reason for that? 01:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause> if that is meant technically, check for action 7/9 and action B, if you mean philosophically, talk to the author 01:31:11 <AgentLeMan> can the titlemenu be moved, so we can use customized titlescenarios and have a better view at the center? 01:32:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:33:04 <thingwath> say I want to build ingame railway network which would at least resemble some real network 01:35:19 *** ecke_ [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 01:36:07 <AgentLeMan> ah, interesting...... 01:41:56 <thingwath> so there are some constants, like how many passengers there are in cities 01:42:14 <Char> gnah 01:42:19 <Char> my RV is going crazy 01:42:32 <Char> it switches between the two orders i gave it about 100 times per second 01:44:10 *** Runr [~Runar@30.11.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has joined #openttd 01:44:27 <Char> and i dont get why that is 01:44:43 *** Runr [~Runar@30.11.erx-lhm.eidsiva.net] has left #openttd [] 01:46:19 <Char> looks like a serious bug to me 01:46:37 <Aali> no, you just built the wrong kind of station 01:46:48 <Char> cool 01:46:56 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:46:56 <Aali> articulated vehicles need drive-thruogh road stops 01:46:57 <Char> how do i know which kind of station is the right one? 01:47:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Char: articulated RV cannot use terminal stations 01:47:06 <AgentLeMan> so, it is not a bug, but a cheat, aali? ;o) 01:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a missing feature 01:47:41 <rubyruy> it's a BONUS feature 01:48:01 <thingwath> like trams not having terminal stations at all? 01:48:33 <Aali> terminal stations make no sense for trams 01:48:34 <Eddi|zuHause> that's only loosely related 01:48:40 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the original road stations make no sense at all 01:49:12 <AgentLeMan> how possible it is to built doublerailstracks for trains? 01:49:27 <Eddi|zuHause> not. 01:49:46 <rubyruy> well surely a tool could be made that builds 2 tracks on 2 squares 01:49:51 <thingwath> it does make sense to build tram station without loop 01:49:52 <AgentLeMan> because of the pathfinding? i mean... for busses it works 01:50:03 <thingwath> and sometimes I would like to do that 01:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> pathfinding is the least of the problems 01:50:25 <AgentLeMan> oh 01:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> pathfinding should actually be really easy 01:50:37 <Aali> thingwath: DRST + half-tile 01:50:43 <Aali> and you're done 01:51:11 <thingwath> when there is no space for that half-tile, then what? :-) 01:51:31 <Aali> then you make space and quit whining :P 01:51:55 <thingwath> :-) 01:52:26 <AgentLeMan> °steps aside as thingwath, the mad bomber, lays waste to half the city° ;o) 01:53:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Aali: you cannot place half tiles on sloped roads 01:53:20 <Eddi|zuHause> neither can you put the tram stop on that slope 01:53:23 <Aali> I don't care 01:53:32 <rubyruy> thingwath: it's probably less of an issue when you use the "allow road stations on top of town owned streets" patch/setting/whatever-it-is 01:54:03 <thingwath> slopes are usually the problem 01:54:16 <AgentLeMan> im having trouble with my feederservice, has anyone time to listen and maybe help? 01:54:33 <Char> terminus stations do make sense for trams 01:54:40 <Char> there is one just 100m away from here in reallife 01:55:05 <AgentLeMan> Char :o) since when makes Real Life (TM) sense always °winks° 01:55:17 <SmatZ> :^) 01:55:38 <Aali> Char: does it have two bays where trams can move around pretty much however they want? :P 01:55:40 <AgentLeMan> but i actually almost always built T-Stations 01:56:00 <Eddi|zuHause> a) different kinds of tram stations will be possible when newgrf_ports gets finished 01:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> b) terminal stations for trams that are not loops need trams that can go backwards 01:57:14 <rubyruy> what is newgrf_ports ? 01:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> airports that can be defined by newgrfs 01:57:47 <rubyruy> oh nice 01:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> later to be extended to seaports and road stations 01:58:04 <rubyruy> that means i could have my ginormous airports when it's done? :D 01:58:40 <thingwath> b would be just a little inaccuracy, there are soo many of them already :-) 01:58:43 <AgentLeMan> why is building a heliport totally screwing the system? i mean, build one and you get MASSES of passengers, which you just cant get rid of ( except you use trains ) 01:59:46 <AgentLeMan> it as if they offer bunjee-jumping out of those helicopters 01:59:52 <Aali> AgentLeMan: because passangers don't care what they're boarding? they just want to go *somewhere*, they don't care how it's done 02:00:14 <Aali> the cargodest branch aims to solve these problems 02:00:37 <AgentLeMan> Aali, yes, but... it isnt the case with other stations, i experienced enourmously high growth at such heliports, regarding passangers 02:01:21 <AgentLeMan> as if the growth-mechanism thinks, not helis come to that station but oceanliners 02:01:42 <Aali> there is no growth-mechanism 02:02:17 <Aali> houses in catchment area generate passengers and these are then distributed to stations after ratings 02:02:58 <thingwath> and with larger cities, there is absolutely no way to transport them all :-) 02:03:00 <Aali> if your heliport covers alot of houses or has high ratings, its going to get ALOT of passengers 02:03:33 <Aali> there's even a patch to reduce passenger generation because it gets out of hand as cities grow 02:04:18 <Belugas> therefor, if you heliport is so crowded, it's because you placed it at the wrong place! 02:04:25 <Belugas> bleblebleh 02:05:01 <Aali> you mean the right place :P 02:05:21 <Aali> having cargo to transport is good 02:05:50 <Char> btw, is it just the inevitable truth that RVs are stupid? 02:06:12 <Belugas> no they are not stupid 02:06:19 <Belugas> because they do not have a soul 02:06:21 <AgentLeMan> having SO much cargo that youcant ever get rid of it, thus getting a bad rating is bad ;o) 02:06:32 <Belugas> they are just numbers been crunched by the cpu! 02:06:32 <Aali> Char: they're "simple" 02:06:53 <Aali> they are stupid if you use go via orders though 02:07:22 <Aali> AgentLeMan: bad rating = less cargo, if its still too much, what have you got to lose? 02:07:52 <Belugas> so all in all, stupidity and ignorance are walking side by side 02:08:12 <Aali> *cough*someone should fix FS#2397*cough* 02:09:20 <Char> hmmmm 02:09:37 <Char> cause they seem unable to properly use a multi-bay loading area 02:09:44 <Char> or unloading, for that matter 02:09:49 <thingwath> sometimes, I would be happier, if there were no pathfinding, just list of tiles :o) 02:10:42 <Aali> thingwath: maybe you should implement it in ttdpatch 02:10:58 <thingwath> ttdpatch? 02:10:59 <Aali> they tend to like insane stuff 02:11:14 <Belugas> 2397? that patch with an insanely long one liner?? 02:11:18 <thingwath> I don't think it's insane 02:11:24 <Aali> Belugas: indeed 02:11:44 <Belugas> hell if i do 02:12:11 <Aali> its like 3 lines in a standard terminal, heh 02:12:29 <Char> 64x64 map :P 02:12:31 <Char> kinda cool 02:12:38 <Char> got all industries connected, though 02:12:58 <Belugas> the code may be right (can't judge), but the style sucks (love using it now) and there is no comments as for what the additions are for 02:14:20 <Aali> it fits right in with the old code 02:14:29 <Belugas> wrong 02:14:36 <Aali> "update destination" for that whole if statement 02:14:38 <Belugas> and old code may not be a reference 02:15:07 <Aali> i'm not saying it is 02:15:15 <Belugas> in fact, the oldest the code, less likely it is a reference of style 02:15:18 <Aali> and i'm not saying you should just apply patch as it is 02:15:57 <Aali> AND, i'm not even sure the code is right (i.e. doesn't screw up anything else) 02:17:35 <Belugas> well... i've never been too good about vehicles, so it's a bit hard for me to judge too 02:18:04 <Aali> no rush, really 02:19:01 <Belugas> now... 02:19:13 <Aali> just thought i should mention it while we were on the subject 02:19:18 <Belugas> you've included the condition "!(this->current_order.GetNonStopType() & ONSF_NO_STOP_AT_DESTINATION_STATION)" 02:19:25 <Belugas> tell me more about it, please 02:20:27 <Aali> like the flyspray entry says, that checks if the current order is a go via order 02:20:52 <Aali> if the vehicle isn't going to stop at the station, there's no point in reserving a slot 02:21:22 <Aali> because it doesn't try to clear the slot when it does reach it 02:21:46 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 02:22:42 <AgentLeMan> alright, there seems to be something weird about that heliport.... 02:23:01 <Aali> the normal "arrived at station" code doesn't "see" the go via station, because it only handles vehicles that actually stop 02:23:06 <Belugas> i see... 02:24:27 <Aali> one side effect would of course be that RVs will no longer try to go to a "free" slot for go via orders 02:24:45 <AgentLeMan> after 1 year at a 25000 peoplecity, a heliport has 1800 passangers, a busstation 1000 and a trainstation also 1000 ( roughly) all stations are tested solely, all being 1 tile big. 02:24:52 <Aali> but once again, they're not stopping, so it makes no difference 02:25:33 <AgentLeMan> so there must be "something" different at a heliport, that draws so much people to it 02:27:53 <Belugas> what bugs me is that fact that the code is located in the OnNewDay function 02:28:56 <Aali> thats where RV queueing happens, apparently 02:29:10 <AgentLeMan> hm, about the ratings, is it normal they go down at 2050? 02:31:32 <Aali> I wonder if that causes trouble with daylength patch 02:32:13 <Belugas> dunno 02:32:19 <Belugas> least of my concerns 02:32:44 <Aali> i've never used it, so i wouldn't know 02:33:02 <Belugas> so, in fact, it only clears one tiny bit of a problem, but the queuing is still there for the others 02:33:18 <Belugas> it's only when using the station as a waypoint that it acts like that 02:33:25 <Belugas> and that the fix comes in place 02:34:34 <Aali> if there are no unexpected complications, yes 02:35:16 <Aali> you could of course solve it the other way around, make queueing actually work for go via orders too 02:35:25 <Aali> but it seems like a lot of work for such a small thing 02:35:53 <AgentLeMan> 'specially for roadvehicles 02:36:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-176-207.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:40:23 <Belugas> got to go to sleep 02:40:38 <Belugas> i'll try to have a talk with the others about it 02:40:40 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:44 <Belugas> night 02:40:50 *** Belugas [~jfranc@ip-217.85.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has quit [Quit: How about sleeping? 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NEXT EPISODE!] 07:48:09 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has joined #openttd 07:49:15 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:52:55 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 07:54:18 <dih> ln-: congrats on finding internet time and being able to use 'beats' 07:55:14 <ln-> dih: thank you, sir. 07:57:00 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:59:09 <petern> dih! 08:06:02 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:10:54 <dih> petern! 08:12:00 <planetmaker> morning 08:21:04 <petern> planetmaker!¬ 08:23:31 <planetmaker> petern(n+1)! 08:23:55 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 08:24:10 <ln-> did you mean: peter1, ..., peter(n-1), petern 08:25:17 *** Wezz6400 [~Wezz6400@145-118-111-36.fttx.bbned.nl] has joined #openttd 08:26:14 <planetmaker> I meant peternn and petern wit n in N 08:32:26 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:32:36 *** Mark [~M4rk@5ED06875.cable.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:34:04 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 09:04:39 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8B3C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:06:55 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc150-32.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 09:07:13 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 09:07:35 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:11:44 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:11:49 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc150-32.upce.cz] has quit [] 09:14:47 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc150-32.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 09:19:49 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23:33 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:26:57 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has joined #openttd 09:29:44 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:30:53 *** Aperculum [~lauri@tuomi.oulu.fi] has joined #openttd 09:38:06 <Aperculum> what is openttd-useful package? 09:38:30 <dih> a package with useful stuff 09:38:50 <Aperculum> but what exactly 09:38:59 <dih> does it now say? 09:39:01 <Aperculum> does it come with base install of openttd? 09:39:11 <dih> if it did - there would be no need for it 09:39:30 <dih> the last news entrie sais it includes libraries 09:39:55 <Aperculum> well, that doesn't really tell much 09:39:56 <dih> and is needed by those who compile openttd themselves on windows systems with the ms own compiler 09:40:10 <Aperculum> oh, I see 09:40:28 <dih> else - download it, have a look at it 09:40:29 <Aperculum> not on windows and no need to compile :) 09:42:21 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.61.144.15] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:43:25 <dih> then you dont need it ;-) 09:43:54 <Aperculum> that's what I wanted to know, thank you 09:44:01 <dih> you are welcome :-P 09:45:31 <Aperculum> :) 09:47:11 <SpComb> mv openttd-useful.zip openttd-win32-useful.zip 09:47:46 <planetmaker> good idea actually :) 09:49:50 <dih> SpComb: without the 32 :-P 09:50:29 <dih> or openttd-windows-may-it-be-32bit-or-64bit-should-not-matter-useful.zip 10:06:52 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 10:31:37 <Aperculum> what can I do when plane crashes? 10:32:17 <Aperculum> how do I clean up the parts so I can use the airport again 10:32:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.173.234] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:34:01 <Aperculum> also, same with train crashes, can I clean them up to free the rails? 10:35:25 <Aali> no 10:36:48 <Aperculum> I'm just supposed to leave them there? 10:36:54 <Aali> yes 10:42:37 <dih> they clean up after time 10:42:40 <dih> after a month or so 10:43:01 <dih> Aperculum: please read wiki.openttd.org - there is a great game play manual 10:43:09 <dih> explains all these parts 10:43:49 <Aperculum> I see, thanks 10:45:37 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 10:51:53 *** Reemo [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0EE9B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:53:24 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc150-32.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 10:54:05 *** Doorslammer [Doorslamme@PIPP-p-144-134-197-164.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:55:06 *** Dr_Jekyll [Dr_Jekyll@p57B0FFD7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:56:16 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:16 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1825 10:56:16 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 11:01:31 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:02:48 *** Guest1825 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:04 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:34 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229221075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 11:31:54 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc150-32.upce.cz] has joined #openttd 11:37:00 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 11:38:25 *** davis-- [~suckyours@p5B28DDA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:16 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:12 <Ammler> Developer Blog dead or moved? 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15:03:47 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28D9A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:50 <Eddi|zuHause> horrible jokes in german 15:03:56 <Batti5> witch IRC client You use? 15:04:04 <petern> which 15:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause> /ctcp <nickname> version 15:04:24 <Batti5> thanks petern 15:05:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yours is: "Kopete IRC Plugin 0.12.7 [http://kopete.kde.org]" 15:06:15 <Batti5> yes, and now i can do this :-S which i couldent with Konversation 15:07:06 <Eddi|zuHause> klicki-bunti-smilies? 15:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> smilie-replacement is a horrible feature, because it replaces stuff which never was meant as smilie 15:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i once got a message with a copyright mark, and the (C) was replaced by a coffee mug... 15:08:20 <fonso> Klicki-bunti also ... 15:09:05 *** fonso is now known as Ulf 15:09:08 <Batti5> in Konversation no smilies at all 15:09:10 *** Ulf is now known as fonso 15:10:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ECA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 15:11:16 *** davis-- [~suckyours@p5B28DDA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:15:45 *** Rhydderch [~IceChat7@cpe-75-185-45-25.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:16:13 *** Rhydderch [~IceChat7@cpe-75-185-45-25.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [] 15:24:46 *** Batti6 [~Batti6@sarah.ppcis.org] has joined #openttd 15:26:10 <Batti6> hello batti5 15:26:30 <Batti5> how are you? 15:26:53 <Batti6> are upgrade 15:27:29 <Batti5> what upgrade, is this a joke? 15:27:35 <Batti6> the upgrade is delayed, canceled 15:28:54 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:03 <Brianetta> Hello Andel 15:29:04 <Batti6> hello ? 15:29:16 <Batti5> hello 15:29:19 <Batti6> hello, nathaniel 15:29:25 <glx> babyottd renamed? 15:29:35 <Batti6> rubidium ponders feeding babyottd some lorem ipsum 15:30:07 <Brianetta> Too many Battis here 15:30:13 <Andel> hello Brianetta 15:30:15 <Batti6> hello anyone 15:31:24 <Brianetta> so 15:31:24 <Batti6> the bot so it's questionable whether 15:31:42 <Brianetta> er, yeah 15:31:53 <Brianetta> so you're on twice? 15:32:39 <Brianetta> meh, never mind 15:32:39 <Aperculum> my game won't play the musics although I have timidity installed 15:32:39 <Batti6> dosent mind them 15:32:59 <Brianetta> Aperculum: Neither will mine. 15:33:09 <glx> Aperculum: and you have gm dir too? 15:33:14 <Batti5> Neither will mine 15:33:16 <Batti6> will mine 15:33:30 <Aperculum> hmm, I think I just added it this morning 15:33:32 <Aperculum> moment 15:33:35 <Batti6> the moment 15:33:41 <Batti6> the morning and arrange for a night is not implemented 15:33:44 <Aperculum> yes, with files 15:34:26 <Aperculum> if I play those files with timidity manually, they work fine 15:35:03 <glx> can you play them while the game is running too? 15:35:06 <Batti5> listen, im The Only Batti Here, please pick an other nick 15:35:13 <Batti6> can teach him to listen for a bit 15:35:16 *** Brianetta is now known as Batti7 15:35:27 <glx> not funny Batti7 :) 15:35:29 <Batti7> I am a batti too now (: 15:35:30 <Batti6> some funny poo 15:35:33 <Batti6> i am the man from 15:35:36 *** Batti7 is now known as Brianetta 15:35:44 <Aperculum> glx, no, I can't play them ingame 15:35:46 <Aperculum> that's my problem 15:35:51 <Batti6> the internet play via public, Aperculum 15:36:05 <Aperculum> or do you mean can I play them manually while game is running? 15:36:14 <glx> the latter 15:36:28 <Aperculum> hmm 15:36:30 <Aperculum> moment 15:36:32 <Batti6> the moment 15:36:35 <Brianetta> If you happen to have a midi piano, you can try that... 15:36:47 <Batti6> although hmm, it's legality has been questioned by some, since the initial versions were created 15:37:06 <glx> Batti6: go see a deltic 15:37:13 <Aperculum> glx, "couldn't open output device" 15:37:16 <Aperculum> by timidity 15:37:45 <glx> there's a variable to set to allow that 15:37:55 <Batti6> will allow you for the nightly was created every day 15:38:10 <Aperculum> glx, alsa, timidity or openttd variable? 15:38:17 <Batti6> with timidity manually, they howl 15:38:25 <glx> sdl 15:38:37 <Aperculum> haha, the one not on my list 15:38:40 <Aperculum> how? 15:38:46 <Batti6> master server list window a tad more usable 15:39:26 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:40:35 <petern> Batti6, you love deltics 15:40:42 <Batti6> we love the sound of a wide range 15:40:43 <Batti5> for me timidity only works if i play the gm files manualy, 15:40:51 <Batti6> Batti5 alsa, timidity or openttd variable ? 15:41:48 <glx> Aperculum: export SDL_AUDIODRIVER=esd or something like that 15:41:50 <Batti6> or something 15:41:53 <Batti5> and even then is slow why? i use fedora8 15:44:06 <Aperculum> glx, thanks, that fixed it 15:44:12 <Batti6> one little bug, fixed in 5 minutes 15:44:14 <Aperculum> I put it in my bashrc now 15:44:17 <Aperculum> thanks a lot :) 15:44:29 <Batti6> a lot worse i guess that would have been written in c++ 15:44:34 *** ecke_ [~ecke@pc153-43.upce.cz] has quit [Quit: ecke_] 15:48:00 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 15:50:41 *** Burty [burty@88-108-1-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:47 <Brianetta> Hey, Burty! 15:50:47 <Batti6> what the moon is made from your memory ! 15:50:56 <Burty> hey Brianetta 15:50:58 <Batti6> hey Burty 15:51:15 <Burty> Batti6... no relation to Batti5?? are you?? 15:51:27 <Batti6> the internet are vast and there is no link on the site : s 15:51:51 <Brianetta> Batti5 has a different host name 15:51:58 <Burty> ahhh ok thanks brianetta 15:52:06 <Brianetta> well, I say host name 15:52:13 <Brianetta> It's an unresolved IP 15:52:46 <Batti5> your all crazy 15:52:53 <Batti6> i'm not crazy, he dressed like me ! 15:52:57 <Brianetta> my all crazy? 15:53:06 * Burty is crazy indeed 15:54:01 <Batti5> Batti6, is nobody i know. 15:54:32 <Batti5> he/she stealed my nick 15:54:42 <Brianetta> your nick is Batti5 15:55:03 <SmatZ> :-D @ Batti5 & Batti6 ... weren't you "batti5" before? (small B) 15:55:05 <Batti6> lol @ SmatZ 15:55:47 <SmatZ> neither of you is batti5 , right? 15:56:01 <Batti5> wrong 15:56:15 <SmatZ> :-D 15:56:17 <Batti6> SmatZ : ) 15:56:19 <SmatZ> THE batti5 :) 15:56:20 <Batti6> : ) 15:57:50 <Batti5> it me that batti5, that nearly got banned for the s word, but saved by Belugas 15:58:26 <Batti5> Batti6 is a stranger 15:59:27 <planetmaker> :D 15:59:43 <planetmaker> evil social engeneering... :P 15:59:45 <Batti6> right now : p 15:59:52 <planetmaker> ^^ 15:59:56 <Batti5> :-@ 16:00:18 <Belugas> hum? 16:00:24 * Burty is sorry i asked 16:00:30 <Belugas> someone called? 16:01:39 <Brianetta> Too many people starting with B 16:01:39 <Batti6> too many people 16:01:43 <planetmaker> a robot calls for a kick me thinks. 16:01:47 <Belugas> 103 to be exact! 16:01:52 <Batti6> try that would be a pain 16:02:09 *** Eddi|zuHause is now known as BEddi 16:02:11 *** Burty [burty@88-108-1-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [] 16:02:15 <BEddi> better now? 16:02:16 <BEddi> :p 16:02:17 <Batti6> ( : p 16:02:23 <Brianetta> We lost Burty ): 16:02:24 <Batti6> i want to you lost me 16:02:32 *** BEddi is now known as Eddi|zuHause 16:02:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that can be arranged... 16:03:34 <planetmaker> hehe 16:03:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i really wonder about the turing test if the test subjects are Batti5 and Batti6 :p 16:04:00 <Brianetta> Eddi: Who's which what? 16:04:00 <Batti6> the cheese, which is what the moon who will always eat 16:04:05 <Batti5> *STOP* 16:04:13 <Andel> hammer time? 16:04:20 <Brianetta> Dow, now now now, 16:04:20 <Batti6> stops now exist, don't figure out is how to set up a bot so it's half an hour late for suppsoedly running the compile farm at 2000 16:04:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the moon is made of meat, everybody knows that 16:04:29 <Batti6> the to everybody 16:05:59 <Batti5> Batti6, stop fouling around with my name 16:06:03 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@e179062226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:09 <Brianetta> Hey, Zahl 16:06:09 <Batti6> the time Brianetta there is no link on the moon who will always eat 16:06:54 <Batti5> I use only Batti,Batti5 & Batti3004 16:07:29 <Eddi|zuHause> let me guess which one is your age? :p 16:08:44 <Batti5> thare over 3000 Batti`s in this world, i cant be all of them 16:09:04 <Batti6> no you cant tell there's legality has been questioned by some, since the initial versions were created 16:09:14 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:09:20 *** Mortal is now known as Guest1862 16:09:20 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 16:09:29 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:11:05 <Brianetta> So 16:11:15 <Brianetta> Which one is pretending to be the other? 16:11:51 <Batti5> Batti6 16:12:02 <Brianetta> Like we believe you 16:12:03 <Batti6> i cannot believe you guys accept a bot, but forename is the one creating 16:12:18 <welshdragon> one is a ppcis.org one, so belongs to Brianetta 16:12:18 <Batti6> org 16:12:28 <Belugas> it's very nice to attend a conference call when you're voiceless. Somehow, everybody is REALLY listening to what you say, whenever you try to push a few words :D 16:12:41 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #openttd 16:12:54 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-58.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 16:13:16 <planetmaker> :D The silent words may ring the loudest :) 16:13:20 <Batti6> that may lead to death 16:13:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@g229221075.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:24 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 16:14:00 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F0D6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:16:16 *** Guest1862 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:30 <Batti5> you all say im crazy, but Batti6 is crazyer 16:17:05 <Brianetta> crazier than the crazy batti5? 16:17:05 <Batti6> webpage is crazy indeed 16:17:06 <Brianetta> nah 16:17:23 <welshdragon> both of you are as mad as hatters 16:17:26 <Batti6> for both cases 16:18:45 <Batti5> ok Batti6, remove the mask, halloween passed a week ago. 16:18:57 <welshdragon> what mask? 16:19:06 <Batti6> : what do you care to read the credits ? 16:19:07 <planetmaker> mv Batti6 babyottd 16:19:10 *** Batti6 is now known as babyottd 16:19:15 <babyottd> lachie slaps babyottd on the site : s 16:19:19 <Brianetta> !words 16:19:19 <babyottd> I know 4670 words (32911 contexts, 7.05 per word), 5033 lines. 16:19:21 <Brianetta> !version 16:19:21 <babyottd> I am a version 1.1.0 PyBorg 16:19:21 *** Brianetta was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 16:19:22 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:33 * Brianetta slaps DorpsGek with a balloon 16:19:41 * welshdragon dropkicks DorpsGek 16:19:42 <Brianetta> YOU MAKE ME REGRET WRITING THE AUTOPILOT 16:19:42 <babyottd> geared to make him say gaga from time 16:20:24 *** Zorni [zorn@f054002159.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:20:54 <Brianetta> Batti5: You're as mad as babyottd. 16:20:55 <babyottd> you're really there, stop fouling around with my useless ive : o 16:21:00 <planetmaker> he... !version is actually not the right one... people will ask for !revision :) 16:21:05 <Brianetta> Also, we suspect you're as robotic. 16:21:05 <babyottd> they're going to start a facebook user 16:21:18 <babyottd> planetmaker nightly was created every day at the same revision the clients are expected to use 16:22:02 <Batti5> Brianetta: you too Batti7 16:22:19 <Brianetta> I'm a robot, yes. 16:22:27 <Brianetta> You're speaking to an AI. 16:22:34 <Brianetta> babyottd is a younger AI 16:22:49 <Brianetta> as you can tell from his appalling command of language 16:22:49 <babyottd> the command 16:22:54 <planetmaker> But you passed the Turing test. 16:23:01 <babyottd> i will have passed the turing test 16:23:02 <Brianetta> There is that 16:23:19 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@fuco.sks1.muni.cz] has joined #openttd 16:24:01 <Batti5> you made this up? This Batti6 thing 16:24:15 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F0D6.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:24:26 *** Zorn [zorn@g224104197.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:19 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:31 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: mikl] 16:37:43 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet662.bournemouth.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:07 *** babyottd [~Batti6@sarah.ppcis.org] has quit [Quit: i go play openttd now] 16:39:30 <Brianetta> Batti5: Yes. 16:39:41 <Brianetta> babyottd is actually a computer program. 16:41:18 <Batti5> a talking program? 16:43:19 <Brianetta> Yes. A PyBorg 16:43:33 <Brianetta> Everything he learned he learned on this channel or #tycoon 16:43:50 <Brianetta> He puts sentences together from bits he sees that look like bits he saw before 16:45:09 <benjamingoodger> he's a little sod, that's what he is 16:45:10 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@ip54534322.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Quit: COCKBUSTER SLEEP MODE] 16:45:20 <benjamingoodger> *grumbles about "kids these days" and such* 16:46:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.173.234] has joined #openttd 16:46:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed43.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 16:49:05 <ccfreak2k> Brianetta, what's the backend for it? 16:49:57 <Brianetta> PyBorg is a Python app 16:50:09 <Brianetta> flat file 16:50:34 <ccfreak2k> Yes I could figure out the Python part on my own. 16:50:52 <ccfreak2k> I mean what does it use to "put sentences together from bits he sees that look like bits he saw before"? 16:54:10 *** Vikthor [~novotv6@pc404-58.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:58 <benjamingoodger> ccfreak2k: it forms associations between words that it sees commonly used together 16:55:33 <ccfreak2k> I'll just assume it's using Markov chains. 16:55:57 <benjamingoodger> good idea. 16:56:20 <benjamingoodger> that was my assumption too 16:56:31 <George> Belugas: Looks like there are not much questions for me :) I was expecting more :) So, are there any questions for me left? 16:58:33 <planetmaker> George: Thx for your website update. I also updated our grf repo :) 17:00:28 *** Singaporekid [~notme@cm40.psi140.maxonline.com.sg] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:01:47 <Brianetta> ccfreak2k: It uses Python statements. Never having looked at them, I couldn't elaborate. 17:02:19 <ccfreak2k> That's like saying "my C program uses the standard C library." 17:03:04 <Brianetta> Yes, it is. 17:03:29 <SpComb> ccfreak2k: not all C programs use the standard C library 17:03:37 <George> planetmaker: Where did you updated it? I could not find. 17:03:45 <Brianetta> It's also the answer to your question, as far as I could answer it. 17:04:14 <ccfreak2k> It wasn't the answer I'm looking for, so I'm guessing A) you didn't program it, or B) you DID program it, but not with any specific algorithm in mind. 17:04:45 <Brianetta> I didn't program it. 17:04:56 <Brianetta> Also, algorithm doesn't imply back end 17:05:10 <Brianetta> It back end is a flat file database, as I said 17:05:43 <SpComb> and it's slow 17:05:50 <planetmaker> George: in our (not open) grf repository where we continuously update the grfs. 17:05:53 <ccfreak2k> "Markov chains" probably could've clued you in on what kind of answer I wanted. 17:06:10 <planetmaker> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF_Table_(Trunk)#Stations <--- that collection 17:06:11 <ccfreak2k> SpComb, try the megahal plugin for eggdrop when its brain file becomes sizeable. THEN you'll know slow. :) 17:07:10 <planetmaker> from time to time we take a snapshot of it and call it a new release of the #openttdcoop grf pack :) 17:07:32 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 17:07:38 <planetmaker> well. Basically Ammler does that. 17:07:50 <Ammler> we is fine :P 17:08:05 <Belugas> ho... sorry George... you are not hilgighed on this client, nor is my nick either :S 17:09:16 <George> Fine. It is evening here, so I can answer questions if there are any :) 17:09:39 <ccfreak2k> I have one. 17:09:52 <ccfreak2k> What would happen if the Earth's core were to suddenly become hollow? 17:10:07 <Belugas> George : there is still that question about the number of production changes per months 17:11:44 <Belugas> the exact reason for the request does not really strike us 17:12:03 <benjamingoodger> ccfreak2k: depends on the properties of the earth's crust 17:12:05 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:12:14 <planetmaker> George: I was wrong. It's even accessible: http://svn.openttdcoop.org/grfpack/ 17:12:37 <George> Bel 17:12:38 <benjamingoodger> but most likely, the planet would collapse toward the mountain ranges and form an odd-shaped lump 17:13:06 <George> Belugas: And what is the question then? 17:13:48 <planetmaker> [18:15] <benjamingoodger> but most likely, the planet would collapse toward the mountain ranges and form an odd-shaped lump <-- not true. 17:14:02 <planetmaker> it's sufficient mass that again a sphere would form. 17:14:34 <benjamingoodger> the crust wouldn't be massive enough for that, surely 17:15:04 <George> planetmaker: But I can't see the difference for beta 5 and alpha 1 ECS vectors, while it is different on my site 17:15:21 <benjamingoodger> meh, doesn't matter, it's not going to happen 17:15:23 <planetmaker> benjamingoodger: the core is the inner 2000km. The rest ist the mantle. 17:15:50 <benjamingoodger> oh, well, if it's just the literal core 17:15:50 <benjamingoodger> then yes 17:16:11 <benjamingoodger> I thought he was referring a Vergon VI scenario such that only the crust remained 17:16:52 <planetmaker> George: we should have the latest of each listed on your website - there are only beta 5... 17:18:02 <George> No, they are not. http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/downloadsold.html and they are not CC-BY-NC-ND 17:18:44 <planetmaker> oh, that link then needs fixing. Thanks for pointing out. 17:19:31 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:46 <George> only LV4 and ECS beta 5 are CC-BY-NC-ND. Others are not. They are outdated and I do not want them to be distributed by the servers. 17:19:56 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-181-118-44.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:40 <planetmaker> hm... I don't find that link anywhere... probably I'm blind. Can you give me a more detailed hint please? 17:21:02 <Belugas> basically, George, how important is that data for you? I mean... i'm sure you can live without it 17:21:06 *** Char [~Ich@d83-181-118-44.cust.tele2.ch] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:11 <Belugas> what would you use it for? 17:21:42 <Belugas> honestly, we're not THAT enthusiast to implement it 17:21:51 <George> planetmaker: link to GRFs page or what? 17:23:05 <planetmaker> yeah. I don't see where I have a link to your old grfs. I'm happy to change it, though. 17:23:21 <planetmaker> as it's a wiki, you could actually change it even yourself :P 17:24:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: we still distribute beta4 with GRFPack 7.2 17:24:43 <planetmaker> ah. 17:25:34 <planetmaker> but even there the download links point to the current page... :S 17:27:25 <George> Belugas: It is not a very important thing, because it causes only 12,5% error in calculation, that is acceptable. 17:27:26 <George> Value would be used for production change callback. It would determinate amount of cargo required to store. Now I use a value of 9 cycles, that would mean that 12,5% of resources would stay unused at the end of month. Not much, so it make a feature not much useful now. but in case of day length patch would go into trunk, the difference may become really huge with more than 100% mistake. So,... 17:27:28 <George> ...it could go to todo list with a very low priority, but should be picked up as soon as day length patch goes to trunk. 17:28:38 <dih> somehow i wonder if that would ever happen 17:28:52 <frosch123> and whether month would still be months 17:30:21 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:30:29 <dih> & freud 17:31:25 <Belugas> so the basic question is if yes or no day length patch would ever be in trunk, i guess 17:31:48 <dih> :-P 17:32:02 <George> frosch123: Yes, but amount of production callbacks would be different. And amount of required resources should be different too! 17:32:11 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:39 <frosch123> yup, and that are so many questions, that daylength will not hit trunk in the next 10 years 17:33:15 <dih> uh.... 17:33:32 * dih applies the daylengthpatch to his life and fastforwards 10 years 17:33:56 <George> Belugas: Do you suppose that it can not go to the trunk? I think it is only a question of time. So, the question is only "When would day length patch go in trunk" 17:34:34 <Belugas> i agree with frosch123. It's very unlikely it would ever be in 17:34:39 <dih> George, you are behaving as every other tt-forums user 17:34:58 <George> dih: ? 17:35:06 <dih> when will x feature be in trunk 17:35:23 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 17:35:27 <dih> and "i think that i is easy / only a question of time... 17:35:31 <dih> *it 17:35:38 <dih> :-P 17:35:41 <Belugas> dih, calm down. George is not someone who is active in the developpement. 17:35:49 <Belugas> he has his own concerns and agendas 17:35:54 <dih> true 17:35:57 <dih> :-P 17:36:18 <dih> still - looks like a sneakey way round the back to ask the same thing :-P 17:36:24 <Belugas> he simply react on problems that have been raised while users are using his grfs with this or that patch 17:36:54 <George> I do not ask "When". I say what is required to support it on my side. I do not say "It is easy". I say "what is easier, A or B". 17:38:17 <dih> [18:34] <George> Belugas: Do you suppose that it can not go to the trunk? I think it is only a question of time. So, the question is only "When would day length patch go in trunk" 17:38:17 <Belugas> you see, dih? you're jumping too fast on the gun ^_^ 17:38:26 <dih> am i? 17:38:37 <Belugas> like a machine gun :) 17:38:48 * Belugas pats dih 17:38:56 <Belugas> good boy, good boy 17:39:26 <George> :) 17:40:03 <petern> hmm, does ms ts (rdp) require a specific type of ssl certificate? 17:40:06 <dih> fine :-( 17:40:39 <George> dih: and where did I say that it is easy? I know what is to make a thing. LVs are 5 years old. So, 10 years for a big patch is not much ;) 17:41:13 <dih> there was a slash (/) interpret that as "or" 17:41:49 <dih> and i never said _you_ said it, the tt-forum _users_ do that :-P 17:41:52 <Belugas> George, one thing for sure, i'm pretty sure i will not see the day where that patch will be in trunk 17:42:44 <Belugas> so i would not worry too much about it,if i were you 17:43:15 *** fonso [~fonso@e178067082.adsl.alicedsl.de] has left #openttd [Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org] 17:43:24 <George> Hey, you are not so OLD. I'm 30 and I suppose my daughter would play OTTD with day length patch ;) 17:43:26 <ccfreak2k> petern, are you using a self-signed cert? 17:45:31 <petern> yes 17:45:34 <petern> well 17:45:40 <petern> local ca 17:46:07 <petern> the cert & key are perfectly valid from the certificate manager (via mmc) point of view 17:46:10 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:21 *** Andel [~andel@owenrudge.net] has left #openttd [] 17:46:52 <petern> annoyingly i've done this before and it worked :o 17:46:58 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-82-26-69-27.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:09 <George> Belugas: I think that I should discuss it with day length patch devs. I suppose there are many users interested in this patch. So, I should plan the support it. At least I should to have a plan for future. 17:48:21 <Belugas> George, i'm about to be 44. Guess that's starting to count as old ;) 17:49:13 <Belugas> are you sure daylength triggers more callbacks? 17:49:25 <Belugas> petern, you're atill at work? 17:52:07 <frosch123> searching a companion? 17:52:15 <George> Yes. At least it was discussed on the forums, and it was said that the tick length is unchanged, while the number of ticks per day changes. Because production callback happens every 256 ticks, doubling day length also doubles the number of callbacks happen 17:53:53 <dih> then the daylength patch should reajust some loops :-P 17:54:33 <Belugas> should'nt it be simpler to know the number of ticks per day? 17:54:53 <George> well, my 23 y.o colleagues also call me OLD :) 17:54:57 <Belugas> cause it's a pretty tedious job to even find the number of days in a month. 17:55:03 <Belugas> hehe 17:55:28 <frosch123> dih: I would suggest a new tab in the advanced settings, where you can control like 30 parameters. I.e. number of ticks pers day, number of days till monthy-callback, .... 17:55:57 <dih> monthy python callback? 17:56:14 <planetmaker> FOR! monty python will spice up the game ;) 17:56:18 <dih> tell me a jock 17:56:21 <dih> e 17:56:22 <dih> gnah 17:56:26 <dih> bad timing for a typo 17:56:27 <frosch123> :p 17:57:00 * Belugas puts on a wig, grab his guitar and plays in front of the mirror, pretending he is still young 17:58:07 <George> Yes it is enough to know the difference between the current day length and default day length. 17:58:09 <dih> :-D 17:58:13 <dih> Belugas, nice one :-D 17:58:30 <dih> i am thinking that would be a lovely quote for my forums sig 18:00:26 <George> planetmaker: Old ECS vectors are here http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/downloadsold.html#dnc 18:01:48 <planetmaker> yes, I know, George . But I understand that you don't want them promoted anymore :) 18:03:48 <Belugas> frosch123, am i right in assuming ttdpatch does not have the same ticks per day as OpenTTD? 18:04:03 <Belugas> i think i've read that somewhere 18:04:05 <George> planetmaker: So, are there any questions left? If you'd like to distribute some old grf, let's discuss it. I may change my opinion about a single old grf 18:05:06 <planetmaker> George: generally we like to keep our repo up to date. But for backward compatibility (older savegames) we keep the old grfs. 18:05:21 <planetmaker> So, there might be in a legacy pack older grfs. 18:05:27 <Belugas> dih, i don't mind :) it would just be the second itme ;) 18:05:32 <Belugas> time 18:05:37 <planetmaker> They're not part of the usual distribution, though 18:05:45 * Belugas BadCats 18:05:45 <George> planetmaker: what are the old grfs that are already in use? 18:06:09 <planetmaker> George: the current pack has beta 4 - so people currently get them. 18:06:38 <planetmaker> the overall repository is some years old... 18:07:03 <planetmaker> I don't know myself what there actually is in the extension packs for very old savegames. 18:08:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host15-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:08:42 <Wolf01> hello 18:10:11 <planetmaker> everything which is outdated is also clearly marked as obsolete. http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF_History <--- history of the grfs... @ George 18:10:39 <planetmaker> but: that's current. My shopping around for licenses is in order to make sure that no one can take offence :) 18:11:32 <frosch123> Belugas: no, that would break a lot. but IIRC a tick takes different amount of real time in dos and windows (=OTTD) version. 18:11:45 <frosch123> like 30ms vs. 28ms 18:12:40 <planetmaker> frosch123: wouldn't that have clients on different OS desync? 18:12:41 <George> Well, I think the old versions should be removed then. Servers should use the new staff, while for old game a person can download the file from the authors site. 18:13:12 <planetmaker> George: the default download is new stuff 18:13:18 <frosch123> planetmaker: the question was about ttdp 18:13:34 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 18:13:35 <planetmaker> the rest is for historical reasons. 18:13:36 <Belugas> frosch123, i was under the impression. sorry 18:13:37 <George> planetmaker: My aborted GRFs are not in the obsolete list. 18:13:46 <planetmaker> which? 18:14:11 <planetmaker> sorry that I seem to ask so dumb... I am :P 18:15:04 *** Yexo [~Yexo@32-88-ftth.onsneteindhoven.nl] has joined #openttd 18:15:11 *** Aylomen [~a@DSL01.83.171.180.14.ip-pool.NEFkom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:21 <planetmaker> In our current pack there are AFAIK no grf of you which are obsolete. 18:16:17 <planetmaker> just to make sure: http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/GRF_Table_7.2 <--- that's what we currently distribute. 18:16:32 <planetmaker> Which are problematic for you, George? 18:18:16 <George> planetmaker: NewMonorailMrHuntW.grf for example. The one that I do not want to be distributed. 18:19:02 <planetmaker> ah, ok. We'll remove it then. 18:19:25 <George> planetmaker: Toyland2MarsW.grf & T2MarsBonusW.grf are a question for discussion. 18:19:42 <planetmaker> please license them. I like them :) 18:20:25 <planetmaker> they have some potential for improvement, but despite :) 18:20:39 <Sacro> George: they are not distributing it, you are 18:20:55 <Sacro> well, on that page anyway 18:21:00 <planetmaker> ^^yep 18:21:20 <George> And, of cause, I'd like to prevent distribution of LV1, LV2, LV3, LV33/4 and "New cargos for temperate" of cause 18:21:43 <Sacro> A good way of doing that would be to *never* post it online 18:22:52 <George> Sacro: Yes, but not for game servers. They are available for personal use by the players, but I dot want to go farther. They are too old even to speak about them. 18:22:56 <planetmaker> none of which is in the pack 18:23:26 <Sacro> George: so? 18:23:36 <planetmaker> george: the pack is downloaded by all kinds of people... 18:23:44 <planetmaker> I guess most use it for single player... 18:23:55 <Wolf01> George, you are right, but like the guy who posted his paints on his site and then blamed google because it indexed the paints, you can't do so much, internet is internet, once online you lose all the control 18:24:13 <Sacro> Wolf01: you have some control 18:24:20 <Sacro> but yes, basically once it's out then it's out 18:24:25 <frosch123> [19:25] <planetmaker> I guess most use it for single player... <- but fail to activate all grfs at once :p 18:24:36 <planetmaker> hehehe. Very much so. 18:24:51 <Ammler> Wolf01: he doesn't lose control about his grfs on the coop pack :-) 18:24:51 <planetmaker> You don't imagine how people complain - even server admins who should know better. 18:25:13 <George> planetmaker: Yes, you got the idea 18:25:16 <planetmaker> Actually the coop pack is the only means to travel back into time wrt grfs 18:26:09 <Wolf01> Ammler, but he lost the control on all other places 18:26:18 <planetmaker> george: The only thing which we can do - just like you - is keeping the _current_ grf pack up to date. 18:28:54 <planetmaker> which we actually did for now over two years. 18:29:04 <George> planetmaker: then I'd suggest (a point for discussion) to remove ECS alpha vectors too. CURRENT work is beta 5 18:29:36 <Ammler> George: where do you see alpha vectors? 18:29:40 <planetmaker> George: I don't understand. We don't have alpha! 18:30:27 <George> planetmaker: as for T2M - is there any body willing to provide more graphics for it? Also, it used original games graphics, what is the right way for licensing it? 18:30:48 <planetmaker> Original graphics cannot be licensed - I guess. 18:31:13 <planetmaker> But it's the same as the default grf files. So... and you modded it. 18:31:33 <George> planetmaker: ECS: Basic vector for tropic alpha 1 ECSBasTrw.grf Wiki r43 George, Wile E. Coyote, Michael Blunck, AgRiG 18:31:35 <George> ECS: Construction vector alpha 1 ECSConstw.grf Wiki r43 George, MHz, 447, Michael Blunck, AgRiG 18:31:37 <George> ECS: Construction vector by Pikka alpha 1 ECSCPikkw.grf Wiki r43 Pikkabird, George 18:31:38 <planetmaker> Besides that I'm not into the grf maker scene that much that I know who wants to build what. 18:31:39 <George> ECS: Machinery vector for tropic alpha 1 ECSMacTrw.grf Wiki r43 George, Michael Blunck, AgRiG 18:32:55 <planetmaker> eh... but they're unique, are they? 18:33:31 <Ammler> George: does those GRFs have new Versions? 18:33:52 <Ammler> or are they included in the "general" verctor now? 18:34:02 <George> planetmaker: So, the question for T2M is open. Ask lawyers about correct solution for this case. I suppose I can't specify it CC because the initial graphics is not CC 18:34:25 <planetmaker> You can talk about your contributions though - then it's our problem :P 18:34:49 <Sacro> George: stop spamming copy/paste 18:35:17 <planetmaker> Sacro: that was an answer. I appreciate that answer. 18:35:22 <Sacro> oh, alright, sorry 18:35:31 * Sacro reads the backlog and goes "ahh" 18:40:17 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:42:56 *** mortal` is now known as mortal 18:46:02 <George> ECS: Basic vector for tropic alpha 1 - aborted 18:46:04 <George> ECS: Construction vector alpha 1 - beta 5 now 18:46:05 <George> ECS: Construction vector by Pikka alpha 1 - will be updated later 18:46:07 <George> ECS: Machinery vector for tropic alpha 1 - frozen for unlimeted time. may be aborted 18:46:39 <planetmaker> well... but they're playable, not? 18:47:18 <planetmaker> I see the point with the construction vector. 18:48:11 <planetmaker> actually... that is the wrong text. I updated it to beta 5, I'm sure. 18:48:31 <Ammler> src/string.cpp:70: char* strecpy(char*, const char*, const char*): Assertion `dst <= last' failed. 18:48:43 <glx> again? 18:48:52 <SmatZ> Ammler: newest revision? 18:48:56 <Ammler> no 18:49:00 <planetmaker> :P 18:49:04 <Ammler> update will fix it? 18:49:07 <planetmaker> yes 18:49:12 <Ammler> ok :-) 18:49:24 <SmatZ> should be fixed in r14564 18:49:46 <glx> SmatZ: you have an highlight on Assertion ? 18:49:55 <planetmaker> :) 18:49:59 <SmatZ> glx: :-) no 18:50:06 <SmatZ> good idea though 18:50:07 <planetmaker> it would fit, though ;) 18:51:41 <SmatZ> Assertion 18:52:04 * frosch123 wonders whether babyottd will ever create a context for "assertion" -> "already fixed" 18:52:13 <SmatZ> :-D 18:52:19 <SmatZ> hmm that sound I chose is empty 18:53:18 <SmatZ> hmm the problem is somewhere else, I need to install arts :-x 18:54:08 <frosch123> arn't notification sounds generally annoying? 18:54:11 <frosch123> +e 18:54:22 <SmatZ> I don't know, never used them 18:54:30 <George> planetmaker: george: The only thing which we can do - just like you - is keeping the _current_ grf pack up to date. 18:54:32 <George> _Current_ GRFs are beta 5 only 18:54:50 <planetmaker> well. But servers cannot update on a daily basis. 18:55:02 <planetmaker> You don't upgrade mid game. 18:55:22 <planetmaker> And beta5 (or a newer version) will be in the next release. 18:56:00 <George> They are beta 5 over a week 18:56:01 <George> BTW, beta 5 can be used instead of beta 4 in the savegames, they should work. Let me know if not ;) 18:56:38 <planetmaker> for a continuous upgrade you need automatic download. 18:56:50 <planetmaker> that's an idea, but yet not reality. 18:57:31 <planetmaker> you should allow a bit of time to spread around. It's also not really practical to update a whole grf pack for the update of two grfs. 18:58:34 <petern> automatic grf updates! 18:58:40 <planetmaker> yes :) 18:58:52 <planetmaker> well. download :P 18:59:00 <Ammler> petern: I see GRFPack 8 that way :P 18:59:01 <planetmaker> I still like the idea a lot 18:59:20 <Ammler> as of there is no pack anymore 18:59:36 <Ammler> just SpComb's nice patch :-) 19:04:10 <SpComb> yerwot 19:04:25 <SpComb> someone's talking in the future sense 19:08:18 <planetmaker> SpComb: got a linky for me to test? 19:08:50 <ln-> @seen Bjarni 19:08:50 <DorpsGek> ln-: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 2 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <Bjarni> goodnight (what's left of it anyway) 19:09:02 <SpComb> planetmaker: http://photos.qmsk.net/screenshots/ottdgrfs/ 19:09:34 <SpComb> planetmaker: there's no actually working patch, though, got stuck on integrating my code with OpenTTD's network code 19:10:09 <planetmaker> oh :( I hoped you'd have a provisional patch for that. 19:10:31 <SpComb> well, the code exists as a hg repo, although I haven't updated it for a while 19:10:42 <planetmaker> hm... is it online? 19:10:51 <SpComb> http://hg.qmsk.net/repos/ottdgrfs-openttd.hg/ 19:10:56 <SpComb> three months stale 19:11:43 * planetmaker clones 19:12:04 <Ammler> SpComb: does the server still run? 19:12:40 <Ammler> I guess, we will create the repo with or without support of openttd 19:13:01 <SpComb> no, it was just a django development server 19:14:25 <Ammler> tools like windowsupdater or autostart can download the needed grfs before start... 19:14:52 <planetmaker> that'd even render void the need for releases. 19:15:10 <planetmaker> you could always start with the newest grfs. No long waiting for ISR 8 on the public server :) 19:15:16 <planetmaker> +0. 19:15:21 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 19:15:30 <Ammler> planetmaker: yep, that is our main problem now. 19:15:43 <Ammler> and also of some grf authors like George 19:15:50 <planetmaker> yep 19:16:22 <planetmaker> but you cannot ask people to constantly stfw for new versions of their grf. It's a task which I don't relate to fun. 19:17:17 <planetmaker> hehe. We might give commit rights to some more active grf makers. 19:23:04 <davis-> what is more difficult , coding or pixeling? 19:26:21 <Rubidium> probably the pixeling; I haven't read stories about a monkey pixeling, but I've seen people claiming that their monkey wrote code 19:30:27 <Yexo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_qlt_qbfYw <- not exactly pixeling, but still :) 19:30:37 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:31:37 <davis-> lol 19:36:32 *** DaleStan_ [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:33 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest1884 19:36:33 *** DaleStan_ is now known as DaleStan 19:41:51 *** mikegrb_ [~michael@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 19:42:46 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:54 *** mikegrb_ is now known as mikgrb 19:42:59 *** mikgrb is now known as mikegrb 19:43:08 *** Guest1884 [~Dale@pool-71-98-67-2.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:19 *** Char [~Ich@d83-181-118-44.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 19:54:19 *** Char2 [~Ich@d83-181-118-44.cust.tele2.ch] has joined #openttd 19:54:26 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d51A43482.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 19:56:49 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:13 *** rellig_xps [~kvirc@p549B425D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:20 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 20:00:27 <rellig_xps> hi 20:00:43 <rellig_xps> how can i change the game speed on a runing dedicated server? 20:00:54 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:15 <petern> you can use 'pause' and 'unpause' 20:01:16 <Yexo> you can't 20:01:29 <rellig_xps> damn... 20:01:45 <rellig_xps> and how can i change the gamespeed before starting a map? 20:01:55 <Yexo> you can't either 20:02:25 <Yexo> unless you're playing with the daylength patch, but Im not sure that one works in multiplayer 20:03:01 <rellig_xps> gna... 20:04:03 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 20:11:42 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 20:21:04 *** Dred_furst [~Dred_furs@resnet662.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 20:24:12 *** CIA-4 [~CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:11 *** Batti5 [~Lorand@92.82.64.8] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:46:43 *** grumbel [~grumbel@i577B8B3C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Client exiting] 20:53:13 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D72A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:53:19 <fjb> Hello 20:57:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fed43.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:56 *** welshdragon2 [~vista@87.102.17.234] has joined #openttd 21:17:46 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:18:06 <Nite_Owl> Hello All 21:18:56 <fjb> Hi Nite_Owl 21:19:43 <fjb> Did something change in the network protocol? I'm only geeting ip numbers without server names. 21:22:09 <glx> master server only send IP and port 21:22:20 <glx> your client then query servers 21:22:37 <fjb> Hm, all servers appear offline. 21:22:49 <glx> you have a problem with UDP :) 21:23:01 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.21.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:50 <fjb> Usually not... strange. Did ports change? 21:28:38 <glx> port doesn't matter 21:30:43 *** lobster_MB [~michielbr@86.89.201.189] has joined #openttd 21:31:59 *** Jezral is now known as TinoDidriksen 21:33:43 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5F0D6.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:41:31 *** FloSoft [~sifldoer@g230006198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: computer has gone to sleep] 21:43:14 *** BoneStorm [~bone@217.69.224.170] has joined #openttd 21:43:20 <BoneStorm> hi 21:44:29 <BoneStorm> is there an beginners quide covering the most basic game fundamentals, giving some tips and tricks what to do and what not? 21:44:47 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:44:54 <Wolf01> wiki 21:45:35 <jrgcool35> anyone here good with ottd servers. 21:45:39 <BoneStorm> Wolf01: i browsed the playing sections and hadn't found the infos i am loking for 21:47:04 <jrgcool35> anyone? 21:47:47 <Wolf01> if you don't tell us what are you looking for we can't help you 21:48:33 <jrgcool35> well if nobody here knows anything, whats the point of asking. 21:48:47 <Belugas> BoneStorm, apart from the wiki, there is always the possibility to browse the forums 21:48:58 <BoneStorm> i am looking for a guide how to survive the first years 21:49:12 <jrgcool35> ok, well when I start the server the server automatically creates a company called unnamed, is there a command for the cfg that I could put in to change the company name? 21:50:40 <BoneStorm> which transport jobs are good right after the start 21:51:42 <Wolf01> BoneStorm, find a coal mine and a power plant at least 50 tiles away and build a single track between them, one little train with 4-6 wagons and you should be able to make enough money 21:52:09 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 21:52:21 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:52:33 <jrgcool35> so nobody knows? 21:53:20 <BoneStorm> Wolf01: thank you very much this kind of game experience i am looking for, i will give it a shot maybe i am surviving more than a few years 21:53:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-108-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:54:15 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has joined #openttd 21:54:20 <Wolf01> I can repay all the borrow in 7 years with a good route and 2 trains 21:54:42 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 21:55:00 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:05 <jrgcool35> thats interesting 21:55:16 <jrgcool35> the server doesn't create a player anymore 21:55:30 <Char2> BoneStorm: you can as well just join some game and watch for a few minutes 21:55:33 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [] 21:55:35 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:54 <Char2> Wolf01: you should be able to repay in less than that 21:56:24 <Char2> unless you play with some weird options 21:56:29 <Wolf01> yes, one aircraft on a 2048 map in 2 years 21:56:38 <BoneStorm> Char2: is it possible to record a game and replay it? 21:56:48 <Char2> BoneStorm: dont think so 21:57:01 <Char2> if you can host a multiplayer game, i could show you some basics, though :P 21:57:10 <jrgcool35> You know what would be a very handy function when adding New GRFs to your list 21:57:14 <jrgcool35> a select All 21:57:17 <jrgcool35> function 21:57:21 <Char2> lol 21:57:55 <BoneStorm> Char2: i am too much a novice to host a game i think 21:58:11 <Char2> i guess i am behind some kind of router which would not allow hosting any game 21:58:15 <Char2> wait a second though 21:58:34 <BoneStorm> Char2: dont mind i had to get some sleep anyway 21:59:21 <BoneStorm> if i got more familar with openttd i can host it, have some servers around 22:00:03 <BoneStorm> gn8 @ all, thx for your time, tips and attention 22:00:35 <jrgcool35> another question 22:00:40 <jrgcool35> how do i change the map size 22:00:45 <jrgcool35> that my server generates 22:01:22 *** BoneStorm [~bone@217.69.224.170] has left #openttd [] 22:02:00 <dih> jrgcool35, 1. you cannot load _all_ grf's for one game 22:02:20 <dih> you should be stuck around 54 22:02:24 <dih> +- 22:02:36 <Rubidium> jrgcool35: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Openttd.cfg <- map_x and map_y 22:02:41 <dih> 2. there are 2 config options, map_x and map_y 22:02:46 <dih> read wiki.openttd.org 22:02:47 <jrgcool35> yea 22:02:50 <jrgcool35> they are 8 and 8 22:02:53 <dih> there are some great pages 22:03:03 <jrgcool35> i know i was looking through it 22:03:07 <jrgcool35> im finding nothing about servers 22:03:31 <dih> do you know the empty text field above the button named "search" 22:03:41 <jrgcool35> haha 22:03:49 <jrgcool35> i completely forgot that wiki pagese have those 22:04:03 <dih> + Rubidium just gave you a nice url 22:04:29 <jrgcool35> thanks a ton 22:04:36 <Rubidium> ofcourse there's also a http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Dedicated_server 22:05:10 <dih> Rubidium, is there really no .htaccess file to get rid of the index.php? :-P 22:05:28 <dih> would be so much nicer :-P 22:05:42 <Rubidium> for further reference: that page can be found by going to the wiki -> Gameplay manual -> Multiplayer -> Server -> Dedicated server 22:05:53 <jrgcool35> thanks 22:06:45 <Rubidium> dih: probably, but ... a) it works, b) setting up the wiki took more than enough time already, c) never change a working system, d) don't know what to change 22:07:07 <dih> nothing - it's just some rewrite rules 22:07:22 <dih> should be in the docs of the wiki system you are using 22:07:38 <dih> should be a simple thing actually 22:09:02 *** fredb219 [~fred@vau75-11-88-172-186-82.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:36 <Rubidium> dih: too bad things get very unsimple pretty soon 22:11:13 <dih> if you always look at things that way you should know that you then could ditch anything you ever wanted to do :-P 22:12:09 <jrgcool35> umm 22:12:17 <dih> mmu 22:12:24 <jrgcool35> one quick question that i cant seem to find in the wiki 22:12:35 <jrgcool35> the difficulty level of the server. 22:13:54 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@213.237.107.120.adsl.od.worldonline.dk] has quit [Quit: http://tinodidriksen.com/] 22:14:02 <Aali> jrgcool35: you could just generate the map from the gui and load the savegame on the server 22:14:16 <Rubidium> jrgcool35: what's the question? 22:14:30 <Aali> or copy the config file from a gui install 22:15:01 <jrgcool35> found it 22:15:10 <jrgcool35> i already did it 22:17:08 <jrgcool35> god i wish there was a select all function 22:17:11 <jrgcool35> for the GRFs 22:17:33 *** welshdragon2 is now known as welshdragon 22:19:59 <dih> jrgcool35, you cannot load that many anyway 22:20:06 <dih> + loading order is an issue 22:20:10 <dih> grf's are sensitive things 22:20:45 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 22:22:03 <jrgcool35> yea 22:22:19 <jrgcool35> What are the most common 22:22:24 <jrgcool35> usually used on servers 22:22:26 <jrgcool35> O_o 22:22:29 <jrgcool35> nvm 22:22:34 <jrgcool35> I'll stop bothering you gys 22:22:45 <jrgcool35> 'cause i'll just ask my friend who runs a server 22:23:26 <Sacro> jrgcool35: there is no word length limit, please stop hitting enter when you'd normally breath in 22:23:48 <Sacro> tis like being with someone with asthma 22:24:01 *** mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [] 22:25:47 <jrgcool35> Ok, one final question that even my friend doesn't know. 22:26:33 <jrgcool35> How would I make the server, automatically create a company, with a certain name and password, because on this one Europe map scenario server they did that. 22:26:48 <Sacro> next grammer point, stop using so many commas 22:26:57 <jrgcool35> Ok sorry. 22:26:59 *** davis- [~suckyours@p5B28D9A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:27:00 <Sacro> :) 22:27:10 <dih> jrgcool35, you load a savegame that has an existing company? 22:27:15 <jrgcool35> ... 22:27:16 <Sacro> not sure how to do auto-company 22:27:21 <jrgcool35> :O 22:27:22 <dih> and there is no _most used_ grf's 22:27:32 <jrgcool35> I feel really dumb for asking that question. 22:27:45 <Wolf01> 'night 22:27:49 <dih> which one of the 2 you got answers for? 22:27:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host15-235-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:28:01 <jrgcool35> the auto-company thing 22:28:05 <dih> hehe 22:28:09 <jrgcool35> lol 22:28:13 <Sacro> hehe there is 22:28:43 <dih> well - i thought it was worse asking for 'most common' grf's when there are hundres around and hundres of players and all have their own taste 22:28:50 <Sacro> I think i use "ls /data/standard/*grf | awk '{print }' >> openttd.cfg" 22:30:09 <dih> so you add your grf files with no parameters to the [version] section? :-D 22:30:15 <jrgcool35> I'm looking at the maps based on real world, and uhhh 22:30:39 <Rubidium> dih: there is no most common grf? 22:30:47 <jrgcool35> and I'm seeing this one map called Carst's Europe map, but it says you need four GRFs do I actually need them? 22:31:33 <dih> Rubidium, plural! refering to a certain setup 22:33:38 <Rubidium> dih, top 5: generic trams 0.4, TTRS 3.02a, newstations 0.42, av8 1.331 and newships (in that order) 22:35:42 <dih> nice 22:35:53 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:00 <dih> well - then i was clearly in the wrong 22:36:09 <dih> jrgcool35, you now know the top 5 grfs :-P 22:36:42 <Rubidium> dih: what did you expect? 22:36:43 <dih> with a bit of generallized statements (and untrue ones) you can even get a dev to look those things up :-D 22:37:04 <dih> i did not expect anything 22:37:15 <dih> i forgot the stats 22:37:16 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 22:37:55 <jrgcool35> umm 22:37:56 <jrgcool35> ok 22:38:59 <jrgcool35> umm 22:39:09 <jrgcool35> I hate when you forget what your gonna say 22:39:21 <jrgcool35> oh yea 22:39:25 <jrgcool35> Is there a code 22:39:26 <dih> you dont type until you remember it 22:39:34 <jrgcool35> to give a person money in single player 22:39:46 <Rubidium> wiki:cheat? 22:40:09 <Rubidium> as it's very unlikely you're running a debug binary 22:40:15 <planetmaker> Rubidium? Got a minute or two? 22:40:20 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@78-106-110-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:40:29 <dih> jrgcool35: is there a tool to help someone find on the internet what he/she/it is looking for? 22:40:36 <jrgcool35> yes lol 22:40:46 <Rubidium> planetmaker: if you need minutes you should talk to Father Time 22:40:52 <planetmaker> :D 22:40:54 <jrgcool35> Ok i found the cheat but it gives no instructions how to do it 22:41:04 <dih> g 22:41:05 <dih> o 22:41:05 <dih> o 22:41:05 <planetmaker> he's very conservative, if it comes to loans 22:41:06 <dih> g 22:41:07 <dih> l 22:41:07 <dih> e 22:41:17 *** NukeBuster [~NukeBuste@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 22:41:24 <jrgcool35> Increases available money by £10,000,000. You can press it as many times as you like. 22:41:33 <jrgcool35> thats it no links no nothing 22:41:53 <Rubidium> jrgcool35: R E A D T H E W H O L E P A G E 22:42:50 <planetmaker> Rubidium: or maybe tomorrow a few minutes, when maybe also dih is around? 22:43:22 <dih> like when i am not about to head to bed 22:43:27 <Rubidium> rather ask what you want to ask than asking when you may ask me... 22:43:38 <dih> it's a longer story 22:43:49 <Rubidium> ah bedtime story? 22:43:49 <planetmaker> we want to talk grfs 22:43:52 <dih> heck we have the 5 mins now 22:43:53 <planetmaker> yeah. 22:44:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-108-17.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:44 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 22:45:38 <dih> Rubidium, would you mind joining us in the other channel? 22:46:42 <Rubidium> what's so important that it needs another channel? 22:47:57 <dih> look at it as private messages just from 2 sources :-P 22:47:57 <planetmaker> I don't want to stick a stick into an anthive in public 22:49:00 <Rubidium> but... there's 3 people there 22:49:35 *** jrgcool35 [jacob@75-26-232-55.lightspeed.drfdil.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Bye for now!] 22:49:35 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 22:53:14 <rortom> hi all 22:54:19 <dih> JJ is just my bot - i drag it around wherever i go (normally) 22:54:22 *** nekx [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:36 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485BE88.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:58:36 *** fjb [~frank@p5485D72A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:08:35 *** mikl [~mikl@0x57372ee2.mrbnqu1.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:12:11 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179062226.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 23:15:26 *** elmex [~elmex@e180069125.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:12 *** rortom [~rortom_@5acfc1f1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27:48 <Nite_Owl> Later all 23:27:51 *** Nite_Owl [~Nite_Owl@c-75-74-51-51.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Read You Soon] 23:28:34 <Char2> whats wrong with nite_owl? if he (she?) is a night owl, he should be pretty much awake right now ;) 23:29:46 *** welshdragon [~vista@87.102.17.234] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:29:51 <dih> Char, how do you know what timezone he is in? 23:30:02 <Char2> no 23:30:33 <Char2> however, the timezone where it is 4AM right now would be something like moscow / abu dhabi or the like 23:30:58 <planetmaker> so? 23:30:59 <Char2> maybe also madagascar 23:31:04 <planetmaker> no 23:31:16 <Char2> hmmm 23:31:17 <Char2> well 23:31:24 <Char2> i think it is not likely that he is from there 23:31:25 <Char2> thats all 23:32:07 <Rubidium> I guess he's from Florida 23:32:14 <Char2> hmm 23:32:15 <Char2> well 23:32:16 <Char2> okay 23:32:30 <Char2> its .... 6:30PM there now? 23:32:33 <Char2> sth like that? 23:33:04 <Rubidium> depending on where in florida 23:33:18 <Char2> and maybe the sun has just gone down there... so he might be off hunting mice :P 23:33:51 <Char2> why is there two versions of me online? 23:34:06 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-225-75.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:08 <Rubidium> Char2: because you've got your IRC client opened twice? 23:37:16 *** Farden [~jk3farden@ram94-7-82-232-189-236.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 23:37:18 *** benjamingoodger [~ben@host217-44-221-18.range217-44.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: +++ Out Of Cheese Error +++] 23:37:50 *** welshdragon [~vista@adsl-87-102-66-136.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 23:46:37 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc1-rdng14-0-0-cust946.winn.cable.ntl.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:14 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@93.81.168.12] has joined #openttd 23:56:32 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-110-244.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:56:45 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 23:57:15 *** SmoovTruck [~imptruck@174.153.59.165] has joined #openttd 23:59:03 *** SmoovTruck is now known as Smoovious 23:59:18 *** Smoovious is now known as SmoovTruck