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Log for #openttd on 27th November 2008:
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01:26:47  <white_gecko> hello
01:27:17  <white_gecko> If I want do add a port to the order of a ship i get an error
01:27:46  <Patrick> does the error tell you it is too far from a buoy?
01:27:47  <SmatZ> hello white_gecko
01:27:52  <Patrick> the solution is to build more buoys
01:28:00  <SmatZ> good reply :)
01:28:54  <white_gecko> what is a buoy?
01:29:10  <white_gecko> is it a hanga in german ?
01:29:30  <Patrick> possibly
01:29:31  <white_gecko> ah a boje
01:29:50  <white_gecko> hm it tells mit it is to far from the destination
01:30:07  <Patrick> yes, set some waypoints in the middle on a boje
01:30:23  <Patrick> hey, is it true that singing deutschland uber alles is illegal?
01:32:41  <white_gecko> i don't know
01:33:24  <white_gecko> i have heared it is not ilegal, but it is not part of the german anthem anymore
01:33:51  <white_gecko> but it still belongs to the song of fallersleben and that is an historical song
01:35:54  <white_gecko> what is about the time in the orders
01:36:19  <white_gecko> in the timetable
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01:37:50  <white_gecko> can i set times less then one day?
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01:40:07  <Patrick> yes
01:40:10  <Patrick> there's a patch option
01:40:15  <Patrick> use ticks instead of days
01:40:19  <Patrick> and ticks are shorter
01:40:37  <white_gecko> so i need this pathc
01:40:39  <white_gecko> hm
01:41:05  <white_gecko> but why are days the default unit? days are to long
01:41:19  <SmatZ> because people count in days
01:41:22  <white_gecko> hm ok no the aren't
01:41:37  <SmatZ> and don't know anything about ticks
01:41:43  <SmatZ> like, how many ticks are there in day
01:41:51  <white_gecko> i didn't think yout that days are about two seconds in real lief
01:41:53  <white_gecko> life
01:42:04  <white_gecko> how may ticks are?
01:42:08  <SmatZ> do you know how many ticks == 1 day in OTTD?
01:42:19  <white_gecko> no
01:42:41  <SmatZ> 74
01:42:49  <SmatZ> so you would be confused too :)
01:43:06  <white_gecko> no i'm not :-D
01:43:25  <white_gecko> and how does the auto thing work?
01:43:33  <SmatZ> when you use timetable autofill, the value is filled in tick-exact time
01:43:47  <SmatZ> sorry I can't explain all about timetables :-x
01:43:53  <white_gecko> hm
01:43:58  <SmatZ> maybe there is something about it at wiki.openttd.org
01:44:00  <petern> Eddi|zuHause, is that a bug in the original game?
01:44:09  <petern> SmatZ would know :D
01:44:31  <white_gecko> but does the auto thing try to optimize the timetable for the best profit?
01:45:11  <SmatZ> petern: have I broken something? :-x
01:45:40  <SmatZ> white_gecko: autofill fills the timetable according to the time needed in the autofill run
01:45:49  <petern> no
01:46:00  <SmatZ> ah, good :)
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01:47:09  <SmatZ> ah... that "inflation stops after 140 years" (or so) was Rubidium's commit :)
01:47:11  <SmatZ> I think
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01:47:58  <SmatZ> hmm 170 years :)
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01:49:13  <petern> hmm?
01:49:27  <SmatZ> petern: I don't know what you are talking about
01:49:58  <petern> 23:36 < Eddi|zuHause> well, higher difficulty actually reduces this spread ;)
01:49:58  <petern> 23:36 < Eddi|zuHause> the (geometric) difference between 4% and 3% is less than between 2% and 1%
01:50:19  <petern> so a low interest is in fact harder
01:50:21  <white_gecko> SmatZ: and what does this mean?
01:50:40  <petern> *rate
01:51:11  <SmatZ> petern: interesting :) usually you don't have any loan after <10 years though :)
01:51:26  <petern> SmatZ, nothing to do with loan
01:51:41  <petern> it's about inflation
01:51:50  <SmatZ> white_gecko: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Timetable should help you :)
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01:55:12  <white_gecko> thynkyou
01:55:14  <white_gecko> thankyou
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02:23:41  <fjb> Patrick: It is not illegal. It is just not part of the anthem. The anthem is the third verse of the Deutschlandlied.
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02:52:01  <TMS> holy crap, people actually want to play on my site's servers.  And after adding the server to the OTTD public server list (with my site's link in it) I'm getting a good 15% more hits per hour. o.o
02:52:17  <vraa> nice
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03:10:25  <TMS> Anyone here experienced with openttdlib?
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06:51:47  <dihedral> TMS: here
06:51:52  <dihedral> what you need?
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07:54:28  <Celestar> WTH?
07:54:33  <Celestar> ls
07:54:34  <Celestar> ls: .: Cannot allocate memory
07:56:23  <Celestar> something is _very_ broken
07:56:33  <mrfrenzy> need moar ram
07:57:10  <Celestar> # free -m total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
07:57:11  <Celestar> Mem:          3903       3717        185          0          0       1255
07:57:11  <Celestar> -/+ buffers/cache:       2462       1441
07:57:11  <Celestar> Swap:         4102          0       4102
07:57:22  <Celestar> you think so?
07:58:13  <mrfrenzy> weird
07:58:17  <Gekz> Celestar: it just works
07:58:18  <Gekz> (r)
08:02:38  <Celestar> no, it doesn't :P
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08:16:23  <planetmaker> morning
08:16:50  <Celestar> morning
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09:31:10  <Celestar> WEEEE!
09:31:17  * Celestar gets a 3-month extension for his PhD
09:33:54  <Rubidium> so you've got 3 months free for finishing cargodest and fixing some bugs?
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09:37:07  <petern> :D
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09:43:43  <Celestar> Rubidium: about that :D
09:44:53  <fonso> Hi Celestar. I got a problem with cargodest: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=39161&start=365
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09:45:03  <Celestar> fonso: looking
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09:45:38  <Celestar> fonso: yeah, I messed up crossloading of the latest trunk games.
09:45:56  <fonso> This isn't a trunk game
09:46:09  <fonso> It's a cargodest game from before the latest merge
09:46:42  <Rubidium> yes.. and the merge added some trunk savegame conversion which makes the cargodest savegames worthless too
09:46:54  <Celestar> I really have to repair that tomorrow :P
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09:47:13  <fonso> ok
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10:11:22  <dihedral> on the website - would it be possible to have a download page that lists all possible downloads? (e.g. cargodest, stable, nichtly, etc.)
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10:11:42  <Rubidium> dihedral: there is one
10:12:49  <dihedral> it's not /download (in comparison to /download-stable)
10:13:00  <dihedral> and there is no direct link "downloads"
10:15:33  <petern> nichtly :o
10:16:05  <dihedral> ops
10:18:43  <petern> hmm, 22" 1680x1050 with DVI-D for £99...
10:20:28  <Rubidium> that's not that expensive I reckon, but what's the catch?
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10:29:40  <petern> i'm using an ancient 15" lcd
10:29:52  <petern> with 120V - 100H viewing angles
10:29:57  <petern> i doubt a TN will be worse...
10:30:15  <petern> heh, response time, 30ms
10:30:42  <Rubidium> that's just quick enough for OpenTTD
10:31:16  <Rubidium> and 3? ms too slow for TTDP ;)
10:32:28  <petern> although possibly it might be, as i don't see any 'dithering' effects on this
10:32:47  <petern> (probably it just does nearest approximation instead)
10:46:58  <FauxFaux> It's probably not that bad, so long as you don't care about the viewing angle too much.
10:47:13  <FauxFaux> Or the colours, or the tearing.
10:48:08  <FauxFaux> http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/ocuk-viewingangle.jpg is a cheap PVA panel next to a decent one, for reference. ¬_¬
10:50:55  <DASPRiD> or anything else
10:50:56  <DASPRiD> :x
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11:08:23  <petern> FauxFaux, it's a monitor... how often do you need to view your monitor from the side?
11:09:15  <petern> also it's mainly used for programming, heh
11:09:43  * Celestar hands petern a single-line monitor :P
11:10:07  * FauxFaux slouches a lot. :p
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11:14:17  <petern> as i said, viewing angle on these is 120/100
11:14:22  <petern> which is pretty abmissal
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11:51:38  <welshdragon> hmm, http://pastebin.freeside.co.uk/40478 < fail script (dor raildriver)
11:53:21  <Fantasya> is this C++?
11:53:45  <welshdragon> angelscript
11:53:55  <Fantasya> hmm. long script
11:54:15  <welshdragon> Fantasya, do you know what a raildriver is?
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11:55:12  <Fantasya> engine-driver
11:55:16  <Fantasya> :]]
11:56:08  <welshdragon> yep
11:56:22  <welshdragon> and i'm trying to fix the script so it worrks
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12:56:57  <Celestar> oh man
12:57:20  <Fantasya> :)
12:57:50  <Celestar> since the day I have transferred responsibility for our main file server to our successors, not ONE SINGLE updated has been applied
12:58:08  * Celestar grabs club and walks to admin-cave
13:03:59  <davis-> to the batmobile
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13:12:17  <DASPRiD> Celestar, lol
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13:27:29  <Celestar> heh .. finally. Italy gets a proper airline
13:31:22  <fjb> Now they only need a proper president.
13:33:55  <Celestar> who needs a proper president?
13:34:01  <Celestar> :P
13:34:07  <Celestar> a proper airline is more important :P
13:34:29  <Celestar> it's much nicer to take photos of airlines than of presidents
13:34:38  <Brianetta> meh
13:34:44  <Brianetta> seen on airliner, seen 'em all
13:34:53  <Brianetta> It's not like they make them to stand out
13:35:24  <Brianetta> Now, if they looked like the futuristic aircraft in TTD...
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14:44:07  * Celestar shakes his head in disbelief
14:47:18  <planetmaker> heretic!
14:47:51  <planetmaker> ;)
14:49:19  <Belugas> [08:34] <@Celestar> it's much nicer to take photos of airlines than of presidents  <---  lines in the air??  Or airlineRs maybe ?
14:49:20  <Belugas> hihihih
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14:52:44  * Celestar bangs head repeatedly against a wall.
14:53:19  <Belugas> ho... looks like fun!
14:53:25  <Celestar> $BOSS just wrote an e-mail. Basically saying "Here's an invitation for a conference which I've had for some weeks. I somehow forgot to forward it to you, but please send an abstract. Slight problem: Deadline is tomorrow"
14:53:26  * Belugas does the same!!
14:54:01  <Belugas> it is uncommun in your world?  that's my daily ration!
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15:12:57  <Celestar> Belugas: deadline _tomorrow_ is uncommon.-
15:13:04  <Celestar> Belugas: usually I have like 48 hours
15:13:44  <Rubidium> Celestar: hop on a plane to the far west
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15:14:00  <Belugas> Celestar, you ARE a lucky man
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15:15:26  <Celestar> Belugas: I usually have 48 hours for tasks that would take about 120 hours ...
15:15:35  <Celestar> 24 hours is a new challenge
15:15:42  * Celestar goes copypasting from old abstracts/papers
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15:22:18  <Celestar> yay!
15:22:20  <Celestar> DB did it again
15:22:33  <Celestar> on Jan 23, I wanna to go Hamburg, going back the 25th.
15:22:43  <Celestar> two adults
15:23:03  <Celestar> Train 2nd class: 420 EUR, Train 1st Class 290 EUR, Flight: 205 EUR
15:23:40  <thingwath> first class cheaper?
15:23:42  <Celestar> yes.
15:25:12  * petern cries
15:25:16  <Celestar> petern: ?
15:25:33  <petern> i can't get ms ts to see my openssl cert
15:27:35  <Celestar> so what would the reason be for going 2nd class?
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15:28:37  <thingwath> anti-elitism :o)
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15:30:23  <Celestar> thingwath: :P
15:31:53  <petern> :o
15:31:57  <petern> right
15:32:03  <petern> i have a fresh mug of tea
15:32:13  <petern> http://www.woolworths.co.uk/
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15:32:14  <petern> awwww
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15:36:44  <Celestar> thingwath: yet the flight is cheaper. and the train is slow .
15:38:36  <Celestar> 5.5 hours
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15:40:41  <thingwath> 5.5 hours isn't slow :-)
15:43:48  <Eddi|zuHause> it is, when the flight only takes half the time ;)
15:44:18  <Ammler> don't forget the check-in times
15:44:35  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't...
15:44:42  <Celestar> neither do I
15:44:44  <Eddi|zuHause> it's still faster
15:44:46  <Celestar> flight time is 65 minutes
15:45:17  <thingwath> to Hamburg from where?
15:45:28  <Eddi|zuHause> from MÃŒnchen, obviously ;)
15:45:31  <thingwath> Ah.
15:46:28  <Celestar> it's about 800 Rail-km.
15:46:38  <thingwath> And you call that slow :-)
15:46:41  <Celestar> about 410 of which are high-speed track. (280-300km/h)
15:47:11  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it should be faster than to berlin ;)
15:47:11  <Celestar> thingwath: it's an average of 145km/h. Not THAT great for a train that has a Vmax of 330km/h
15:47:17  <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: it's the same time.
15:47:18  <thingwath> I travel 5.5 hours home, and it's just 300 rail kilometers :-D
15:47:25  <Celestar> 5.5 to Berline, 5.5 to Hamburg
15:47:33  <Celestar> Berlin being about 580 rail km.
15:47:37  <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: not when you don't have any ICE-T to use ;)
15:48:19  <Celestar> one hour Munich-Nuremburg (180km), one hour Leipzig-Berlin (170km). 3.5 hours Nuremburg-Leipzig (220km).
15:48:49  <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: quite some are in-service agaim.
15:48:55  <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: I've seen two yesterday.
15:48:59  <Celestar> with passengers in them :P
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15:50:46  <Eddi|zuHause> well, it gets about time they finish that new track via erfurt
15:51:04  <Celestar> yes.
15:51:06  <Celestar> 2016?
15:51:14  <Eddi|zuHause> should cut those 3.5h to something like 2h
15:51:22  <Celestar> 1:39 (theoretically)
15:51:38  <Celestar> one hour Nuremburg-Erfurt. 39 minutes Erfurt-Leipzig.
15:51:38  <Eddi|zuHause> well, considering that they started 15 years ago ;)
15:51:50  <Celestar> then about 25 minutes layover in Leipzig for no apparent reason.
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15:52:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still wondering whether they'll actually divert any ICE via Halle instead of Leipzig
15:52:44  <Celestar> I'm wondering about having Erfurt-Berlin direct trains (via Halle)
15:52:45  <Celestar> er ..
15:52:46  <Celestar> LOL
15:53:15  <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: considering that Halle-Bitterfeld is slow as hell ...
15:53:26  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm assuming they'll route most freight trains through Halle
15:53:43  <thingwath> by slow as hell you mean...? :-)
15:53:43  <Eddi|zuHause> and they wanted to build a new shunting yard on the area of the old freight station
15:54:07  <Celestar> thingwath: 17 minutes
15:54:14  <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: Halle-Dessau was once the fastest track in eastern germany ;)
15:54:32  <Eddi|zuHause> because it was a test track for higher speed carriages
15:54:52  <Celestar> thingwath: it's about 25km of basically straight and level track
15:55:26  <Eddi|zuHause> they did already put in high speed switches in bitterfeld station
15:55:34  <Celestar> yes.
15:55:37  <Celestar> the fastest in Germany.
15:55:46  <Celestar> 230km/h on the splitting track.
15:55:50  <Celestar> or was it 200?
15:56:00  <Eddi|zuHause> something like that, yes...
15:56:11  <Eddi|zuHause> and then continuing with a 160km/h track :p
15:56:29  <Celestar> I think they have 8 motors for the main switch ...
15:56:35  <thingwath> 160 km/h is max speed here, and only on few tracks... :-)
15:56:43  <Celestar> thingwath: where are you? Albania?
15:57:08  <thingwath> Czech republic :-D
15:57:21  <Celestar> heh.
15:57:22  <Celestar> I see
15:57:31  <Celestar> the AGV is currently in CZ for test runs
15:58:16  <Celestar> thingwath: FAST is Frankfurt-Airport to Siegburg
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15:58:21  <Celestar> 37 minutes.
15:58:48  <Celestar> 144km
15:59:04  <Eddi|zuHause> i'd assume the only track viable for high speed travels in czechia is the international route Dresden-Prag-Wien...
15:59:07  <thingwath> Nice.
15:59:24  <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: a 300km/h track from Dresden to Prag is under consideration apparently
15:59:27  <Celestar> I've got to go
15:59:33  <thingwath> "consideration"
15:59:53  <Celestar> cu tomorrow
15:59:54  <Celestar> \o
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15:59:56  <Eddi|zuHause> well, considering that the track was practically destroyed during the 2002 flood...
16:00:32  <thingwath> our government will spend billions for overpriced highways, but never on high speed rail, it's considered just a sci-fi, here (even though studies show it wouldn't be more expensive than the highways)
16:00:46  <thingwath> practically destroyed? :-)
16:01:45  <Eddi|zuHause> well... imagine a river with a century-flood... then imagine a railway track along that river...
16:01:47  <Eddi|zuHause> guess what happens...
16:02:37  <thingwath> the track was quite OK, after the flood
16:04:15  <Eddi|zuHause> the track was completely closed for half a year
16:04:47  <thingwath> http://www.zelpage.cz/fotogalerie/big/121048.jpg
16:04:48  <thingwath> :o)
16:04:54  <Eddi|zuHause> and it was the top priority to reopen that track, ignoring most of the other infrastructure that was destroyed back then
16:05:04  <thingwath> it's built on solid rock :-)
16:08:31  <thingwath> At least czech part wasn't closed for very long (and there is second track on the other bank)
16:10:42  <Eddi|zuHause> i assume the damages got bigger the closer you get to Dresden
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16:11:33  <thingwath> quite possible, from Děčín to Bad Schandau (and Dresden) it's very narrow valley and track is very close to water
16:16:52  <thingwath> never mind, even 100 km/h would be large upgrade on routes I use most frequently :-D
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18:24:13  <Wolf01> hello
18:29:56  <Belugas> olleh!
18:30:13  <SmatZ> hello
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18:33:27  <DASPRiD> holle!
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18:40:08  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r14638 /trunk/src/saveload.cpp: -Fix [FS#2430]: don't restore fast-forward when SaveFileDone() callback happens after we returned to the menu
18:40:55  <SmatZ> ehllo
18:41:28  <Belugas> lehlo
18:43:28  <thingwath> + next 115 combinations.
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18:46:13  <Wolf01> I always start madness...
18:46:45  <benjamingoodger> saluton!
18:46:55  <thingwath> Beer!
18:47:14  <Wolf01> gah... I have some ideas to code and some patches to fix
18:47:38  <Wolf01> and some other patches to sync
18:47:50  <Wolf01> and I don't want to do it
18:49:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r14639 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:49:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-11-27 18:48:40
18:49:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 4 fixed by tucalipe (4)
18:49:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1)
18:49:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: dutch - 1 fixed, 7 changed by Excel20 (8)
18:49:14  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 4 fixed by UltimateSephiroth (1), jpx_ (3)
18:49:17  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 1 fixed by glx (1)
18:49:35  <Chrill> Swedish wins
18:49:58  * welshdragon did some updates
18:50:18  <glx> <@DorpsGek> welsh      - 2 fixed by welshdragon (2)
18:50:23  <glx> yes you did :)
18:51:01  <welshdragon> aah
18:51:16  <welshdragon> when was that glx?
18:51:29  <glx> in #openttd.notice
18:52:04  <glx> the only place to get full translators commits
18:52:26  <welshdragon> aah
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19:02:00  <ccfreak2k> I might disconnect and rejoin several times in the next few minutes.
19:02:09  <ccfreak2k> Preferrably it should only happen once, but I might fuck up.
19:02:38  <welshdragon> ccfreak2k remove any autojoins :)
19:04:48  <ccfreak2k> Wish me luck.
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19:12:13  <ccfreak2k> Finished.
19:18:26  <appe> i did something major.
19:18:31  <appe> you know the map i was working on?
19:18:42  <appe> i had like 80 trains on a single line with signals
19:18:52  <appe> i accidently changed all the tracks to tracks without signals
19:18:58  <appe> and 80 trains died.
19:19:02  * appe didnt save.
19:19:16  <welshdragon> hmm, can scenarios be upgraded from 0.6.x to nightly?
19:20:54  <SmatZ> all (well, most of) OTTD savegames should be able to load in newer versions
19:21:01  <SmatZ> but there is not easy way back
19:21:52  <ccfreak2k> Yes.
19:22:12  <ccfreak2k> Usually you can just load them in the nightly, unless some big change to save files has been made.
19:22:22  <welshdragon> hmm
19:22:36  <welshdragon> it could be tib's patch pack
19:22:42  <Chrill> tibtib
19:24:28  * ccfreak2k contributed to the patch pack.
19:26:06  <welshdragon> the savegame i'm trying works in 14468, but not in 14000
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20:07:03  <yorick> since the gui rewrite, the current_selected of the client list gets initialized to 0 instead of 255 ;)
20:07:11  <yorick> which means the first client is always selected
20:07:35  <yorick> (when opening)
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22:17:04  <Wolf01> 'night
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22:19:10  <benjamingoodger> that was the only thing anyone's said for 130 minutes
22:19:17  <benjamingoodger> where's everyone gone?
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22:21:53  <dihedral> hello TMS
22:21:59  <dihedral> you read my post i take it
22:22:02  <TMS> I suppose you've been waiting for me...
22:22:07  <TMS> I did indeed.
22:22:12  <dihedral> no - i am always online :-P
22:22:17  <TMS> oh. well...
22:22:21  <TMS> in that case...
22:22:36  <benjamingoodger> life! at last
22:22:48  <TMS> your software fails me.
22:22:53  <TMS> or perhaps I am failing it?
22:23:31  <dihedral> where are you trying to set it up?
22:23:33  <dihedral> (url)?
22:23:42  <TMS> simulationnation.com/ottd/example.php
22:23:53  <welshdragon> benjamingoodger, you missed yorick then
22:24:08  <welshdragon> he spoke at 20:07
22:24:23  <dihedral> i geta 404 there
22:24:27  <benjamingoodger> yes, that was 130 minutes before 22:17
22:24:40  <welshdragon> hmm
22:24:49  <TMS> dihedral, question
22:25:03  <TMS> "however, if you have setup openttd with bind_ip, openttd will only listen to connections to that ip!" <-- Were you referring to openttd in the PHP code or openttd.cfg?
22:25:08  <TMS> this was in your forum post
22:25:33  <dihedral> yes - openttd.cfg
22:25:45  <TMS> oh, and the actual link is: http://www.simulationnation.com/ottdlib/example.php
22:25:45  <dihedral> network section as a bind_ip (or along those lines at least)
22:26:26  <TMS> server_bind_ip = 0.0.0.0
22:26:30  <dihedral> the timeout is too low
22:26:31  <TMS> Should I delete that line?
22:26:38  <dihedral> now - that is fine
22:26:53  <dihedral> set it to 5 seconds for now
22:27:06  <dihedral> or dont change the timeout at first
22:28:18  <TMS> how do I set the timeout in the code again?
22:28:24  <dihedral> TMS: can you post the contents of that example.php to paste.openttd.org?
22:28:28  <TMS> oh, sure.
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22:29:13  <benjamingoodger> welshdragon: have you finished hmming yet?
22:29:26  <TMS> http://paste.openttd.org/177109
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22:29:32  <welshdragon> benjamingoodger, never!
22:29:36  * welshdragon bed
22:29:53  <benjamingoodger> good night
22:30:22  <Eddi|zuHause> not everybody has enough time to waste to watch this channel 24/7
22:30:52  <Jango> waste?
22:31:32  <dihedral> TMS: is it the same host?
22:31:38  <benjamingoodger> Eddi|zuHause: I find that sentence to be incredibly offensive
22:31:42  <dihedral> i.e. the php script and the openttd server
22:31:45  <benjamingoodger> I don't think you even realised what you said
22:31:56  <TMS> dihedral, no.
22:32:15  <Eddi|zuHause> no, i did mean that to be offensive.
22:32:30  <benjamingoodger> oh, ok
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22:33:35  <dihedral> TMS: http://pub.dihedral.de/OpenTTDLib/OpenTTDLib-0.3.1/example.php
22:33:46  <dihedral> please check the firewall for outgoing connections on that machine
22:33:57  <dihedral> also check the OpenTTD server's firewall
22:34:06  <dihedral> (for incoming connections this time)
22:34:11  <dihedral> pay attention to the udp ports
22:34:34  <TMS> I was playing with people in Romania and Russia on this server for 5 hours without interruption earlier today...
22:34:43  <TMS> and the firewall on the outgoing machine?
22:34:48  <TMS> It's a server hosted by GoDaddy...
22:35:22  <dihedral> try to query the host "openttd.dihedral.de" or "ps.openttdcoop.org"
22:35:37  <dihedral> incoming connection on the opentt server is probably fine
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22:36:36  <dihedral> but outgoing (from the webserver)
22:37:03  <dihedral> or anything else between the openttd server and the web server is blocking the udp request
22:37:23  <TMS> connection timed out #0 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/includes/OpenTTDLib.php(1589): OpenTTDLib->checkTimeout() #1 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/includes/OpenTTDLib.php(1632): OpenTTDLib->waitForServerResponse() #2 /home/content/t/h/e/theswordsman/html/ottdlib/example.php(16): OpenTTDLib->queryServer('ps.openttdcoop....', 3979, 1) #3 {main}
22:38:27  <TMS> dihedral: how do I remedy *that* kind of error?
22:38:58  <dihedral> the error is not the script
22:39:27  <dihedral> as the above link shows, openttdlib is fully capable of connecting to your openttd server
22:39:39  <dihedral> the issue is the connection between your webserver and your openttd server
22:40:06  <TMS> I understand
22:40:06  <dihedral> either the webserver itself has a firewall that does not allow that kind of connection to be made, or something between the 2 servers
22:40:16  <dihedral> do you have shell access?
22:40:20  <TMS> no I do not.
22:40:23  <dihedral> (to the webserver)
22:40:24  <dihedral> ah
22:40:28  <dihedral> well
22:40:51  <TMS> I'm about ready to get off the computer for now.
22:40:59  <dihedral> yeah - same here
22:41:05  <TMS> and stop worrying about this, seeing as this is a stupid problem.
22:41:11  <TMS> I'll find a way at some point.
22:41:13  * TMS is out.
22:41:32  <dihedral> TMS: i was hoping at some point to start a webservice
22:41:39  <dihedral> i will let you know once it's up
22:43:01  <dihedral> i.e. nothing more than a little xml fetched via http
22:43:37  <dihedral> anyway
22:43:40  <dihedral> i am off too
22:43:42  <dihedral> night
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