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00:04:53 <Eddi|zuHause> not only yours ;) 00:06:06 <Rubidium> oh, lets integrate simsig too ;) 00:06:16 <petern> and openbve 00:06:19 <petern> and ror 00:06:25 <rortom> cool :P 00:07:00 <welshdragon> simsig?? 00:07:03 <welshdragon> openbve?? 00:07:58 <rortom> you keep growing: https://www.ohloh.net/p/openttd/analyses/latest :) 00:09:01 <rortom> google is your friend ;) 00:10:13 <Sacro> wtf 00:10:17 <Sacro> 385 lines of 'awk' 00:10:21 <Sacro> how did you manage that? 00:10:44 <Rubidium> by writing a few lines of awk ofcourse 00:11:17 <Sacro> a few? 00:11:18 <Roujin> rortom: hah, I can see NoAI :) 00:11:23 <Sacro> that's hardly a "few" 00:12:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.195] has joined #openttd 00:12:41 <Rubidium> it's only 313 lines of awk 00:13:01 <rortom> 300 lines of awk are quite something o_O 00:13:13 <Rubidium> it's a single script 00:13:31 * Prof_Frink rewrites openttd as a 2-line perl script 00:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> why does it list java when there are 0 lines of it? 00:14:26 <Sacro> Prof_Frink: imports openttd; 00:14:39 <welshdragon> as it is a coding language Eddi|zuHause 00:14:49 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: universal binary? 00:15:10 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but there are >500 more coding languages that could be listed, welshdragon 00:15:10 <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: So's fuckfuck, but that's not listed. 00:15:13 <rortom> strange, maybe there was some java used before, but not recently? 00:15:31 <welshdragon> Eddi|zuHause: point taken 00:15:47 * welshdragon ignores the rude remark of Prof_Frink 00:15:54 <Prof_Frink> welshdragon: No, really. 00:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause> is that a brainfuck dialect? 00:16:20 <Prof_Frink> Yeah 00:16:27 <Prof_Frink> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fuckfuck 00:16:45 <Rubidium> http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/tags/0.4.0/os/macosx/openttdmidi.java 00:17:05 <welshdragon> we should write openttd in fuckfucjk 00:17:15 <welshdragon> *fuckfuck 00:17:39 <rortom> i bet ohloh wouldnt detect whitespace :p 00:18:18 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly not when it is obfuscated within c code ;) 00:19:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.181.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:20:06 <Belugas> Roujin! 00:20:10 <Belugas> rortom! 00:20:14 <rortom> Belugas! 00:20:18 * Belugas ! 00:20:22 <Roujin> BaNaNaS! 00:20:28 <Belugas> aPPLES! 00:20:35 <Roujin> orangeS! 00:20:52 <Roujin> r4nd0mn3ss! 00:26:14 <Belugas> ResetButton! 00:27:31 <Roujin> UndoKnob! 00:27:58 <Belugas> o_O 00:28:01 <Belugas> knob 00:28:43 <Belugas> you do understand this is alomost considered as a provocation leading to a possible kick? 00:28:48 <Belugas> do you? 00:28:48 <Roujin> ha, I won :) 00:28:50 <Belugas> mhh? 00:29:04 <Belugas> hehe 00:29:45 <Roujin> If you kick me, I am actually forced to study for my upcoming exam, than spending my nighttime otherwise :( 00:30:00 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 00:30:37 <Belugas> is this a supplication? 00:30:45 <petern> is that so? 00:30:54 *** Roujin was kicked from #openttd by Rubidium [you wanted to learn for your exam] 00:31:00 <rortom> good decision 00:31:04 <rortom> ;) 00:32:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77C1E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 00:32:58 <Belugas> poor guy :) 00:33:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:33:15 <Belugas> riping him out of his only socialisation 00:33:33 <SmatZ> he's back! 00:33:42 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D15C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 00:33:51 <SmatZ> ah... I thought you were talking about eddi :-p 00:34:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i could have said "nobody helps me writing my thesis either" ;) 00:34:45 <SmatZ> :) 00:35:17 <Rubidium> this kick is for the benefit of the community; now he has a higher chance to pass his exam, so he might finish his education earlier, get a job earlier, donate more earlier ;) 00:35:22 <Belugas> nobody could help you since nobody understand a thing you're saying, Eddi|zuHause 00:35:52 <kd5pbo> Eddi|zuHause: On what is your thesis? 00:35:53 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:36:12 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:36:12 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 00:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> on source code abstraction and analysis 00:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> cross-language 00:36:47 <kd5pbo> Oh. 00:36:54 <Eddi|zuHause> specifically, a mixture of python and c/c++ 00:37:06 <rortom> sounds interesting :) 00:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it is, but i have not enough time to do everything i want ;) 00:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and i have problems actually writing stuff down 00:38:22 <kd5pbo> Why python and C? 00:38:26 <kd5pbo> Why not Java? 00:38:26 <Belugas> ever trying up? 00:38:27 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5D15C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:38:33 <kd5pbo> Nobody's gonna understand what you're writing. 00:38:35 <kd5pbo> :D 00:38:50 <Eddi|zuHause> because the code is in python and c, not in java 00:38:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (it is real world industrial code) 00:39:02 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:25 <kd5pbo> I've noticed that most real world code does not seem to be Java. 00:39:37 <kd5pbo> My professors, however, haven't. 00:40:36 <goodger> kd5pbo: java is the only programming language used in real-world situations, possibly alongside C++ or visual basic 00:40:55 <goodger> if you don't believe that, you're overqualified for your course 00:40:59 *** TinoM| [~Tino@i59F5D15C.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:41:03 <goodger> and I reckon you're probably at a british university? 00:41:07 <kd5pbo> Nope. 00:41:08 <kd5pbo> US 00:41:22 <kd5pbo> Why? 00:41:23 <Eddi|zuHause> my professor teaches his very own language ;) 00:41:56 <goodger> ah 00:42:08 <goodger> all computing courses in the UK treat java like it's useful 00:42:15 <goodger> I assumed this was limited to the UK 00:42:22 <rortom> i think thats a global knownledge 00:42:30 <rortom> its in germany like that as well ... 00:42:59 <kd5pbo> Same here. 00:43:18 <kd5pbo> For the first two years, Java is treated like it's the only language in existance. 00:43:24 <kd5pbo> All the others have died, or something. 00:43:41 <kd5pbo> Starting with the third year or so, professors seem to assume we know C. 00:47:12 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 00:47:46 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:48:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15441 /trunk/src/ai/ (ai_info.cpp ai_info.hpp api/ai_industrytype.cpp): -Cleanup: Use a return value instead of passing a pointer to where the result should be stored. 00:48:45 <kd5pbo> My plane takes six months or so to get across the map. 00:48:48 <thingwath> exams, exams, I have passed a formal langauges exam, lala :o) 00:48:51 <kd5pbo> My pasengers must really have to pee. 00:49:27 <Rubidium> that's not that hard 00:50:07 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has quit [Quit: TschÃŒÃ] 00:56:07 *** [Nemesis] [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:56:23 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 00:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> you must study at the wrong universities 00:57:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i have used at least a dozen programming languages 01:01:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-217-106.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:33 <Sacro> kd5pbo: we are doing c#, c++, prolog 01:03:50 <Sacro> next year we can do lexx/bison 01:04:30 <kd5pbo> I used prolog once. 01:04:43 <kd5pbo> The lack of return values got to me. 01:05:21 <thingwath> lack of return values? 01:05:38 <kd5pbo> Doesn't prolog not have return values. 01:05:47 <kd5pbo> It was a while ago. 01:07:15 <Rubidium> amanda, asm c, c++, c#, java, haskell, labview, maple, matlab, prolog, vhdl (and I've got the feeling I've forgotten some) 01:07:54 <thingwath> prolog is basicaly only a logic resolution with horn claueses, isn't it? 01:08:06 <SmatZ> Rubidium: vhdl, but not verilog? 01:09:09 <Rubidium> SmatZ: might be, but I don't remember that so clearly anymore 01:12:18 <SmatZ> impressive... my CPU is overheating when I open the case 01:12:25 <SmatZ> but when I close it, it isn't 01:12:42 <fjb> You learned about air flow. 01:13:12 <SmatZ> fjb: shouldn't open case reduce the temperature inside computer? 01:13:29 <kd5pbo> SmatZ: Not necessarily. 01:13:52 <SmatZ> well, the reason is the cooler runs at ~2800 RPM when the case is open... but goes up to ~4000 when it is closed 01:14:47 <SmatZ> so the CPU doesn't overheat 01:14:48 <fjb> SmatZ: No, as the closed cases assures that there is some air flow at the important places. 01:16:06 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:18 <SmatZ> fjb: it's more clever than I thought 01:17:37 <rortom> nite 01:17:38 *** rortom [~rortom@5ac3dbe5.bb.sky.com] has left #openttd [] 01:19:26 <SmatZ> anyway, I blame the thermoregulation of the cooler for this 01:19:48 <SmatZ> if it was controlled by MB, it wouldn't be overheating... and it would be more silent 01:21:08 * Sacro controlled by micheal blunck? 01:21:24 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177224195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 01:21:25 <fjb> I thought the same at the first moment. :-) 01:21:30 <SmatZ> hehe :) 01:22:14 <fjb> It would only work with main boards made by Intel. 01:24:38 <SmatZ> I got some gigabyte... and it offers CPU FAN RMP regulation too 01:25:09 <SmatZ> it even offers to choose between "regulate voltage / use PWM" 01:25:38 * SmatZ should have a look in his notes what would be the advantage of using PWM... 01:26:19 <fjb> PWM is the new 4 pin connector. 01:26:56 <SmatZ> is this PWM something different than "pulse width modulation"? 01:27:40 <fjb> I thinking about that. At least it uses some clock singal instead of changing the voltage. 01:28:22 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15442 /trunk/src/network/network_chat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: don't do magic on magic numbers when you can also use a single named constant. 01:28:56 *** Zorn [~zorn@e177235084.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:56 <SmatZ> if you send the "pulses" from MB, you don't need 4 pins ... 2 would be enough :) (+ 1 for reading RPM) 01:29:30 <SmatZ> well... maybe it uses that "weird" PWM that allows rotating in both directions... or so :) 01:30:41 <thingwath> hm, hardware, how do I like it... 01:31:10 <SmatZ> :o) 01:31:25 <fjb> Hm, don't know, but I found many meanings for PWM on wikipedia. 01:31:36 <thingwath> my computer died few times this week, with something like machine check exception 0+4 01:31:41 <SmatZ> hehe 01:32:46 <thingwath> so if it will continue, I don't have any other idea then buying a new one 01:32:48 <thingwath> :-/ 01:33:45 <SmatZ> MCE's are CPU-family specific, have a look at your CPU's documentation :) 01:34:03 <thingwath> I did, it seems it's just a generic error "something went wrong" 01:34:23 <SmatZ> :-/ 01:34:55 <thingwath> and it really shouldn't just blink and reboot itself :) 01:35:29 <SmatZ> if you are using windows, you can disable the "reboot after error" somewhere ... but you get a bluscreen, that's not much better :-p 01:37:38 <thingwath> well, I use linux :) and it displayed the MCE error when trying to boot again, the first reboot was just a sudden failure 01:37:55 <SmatZ> hmm 01:38:03 <SmatZ> I remember I used to have these errors too 01:38:12 <SmatZ> I installed mcelog, but it didn't help at all 01:38:15 <thingwath> the most common problem with this HP laptops is cracked motherboard or something like this, it may be this problem 01:38:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r15443 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/ (sqapi.cpp sqvm.cpp sqvm.h): [Squirrel] -Fix [FS#2627]: Squirrel stack corruption resulting if an AI was suspended in a metamethod. 01:39:05 <SmatZ> I was getting these errors when booting up... I don't remember how I fixed that though :-x maybe kernel upgrade did the job :) or disabling MCE in kernel config ;) 01:39:31 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:39:56 <thingwath> the main problem is not the MCE error, it doesn't happen on every boot :) main problem is the sudden reboot... 01:39:57 * SmatZ tries to remember 01:40:06 <SmatZ> I know it was quite recently... 01:40:59 <SmatZ> thingwath: if you are using 2.6.26, stop using it :) 01:42:08 <thingwath> I have Fedora 10 .27 kernel :) 01:42:18 <SmatZ> hmhm I don't know then :( 01:43:27 <thingwath> maybe it won't happen again :) 01:43:31 <SmatZ> hehe :) 01:44:36 <thingwath> I hope so, I don't like the idea of buying a new computer every 3 years or so 01:44:59 <SmatZ> I know I was having problems at one computer - locking up every ~7 days, and the other computer failed to boot once in ~4 tries 01:45:39 <SmatZ> but now I am using 2.6.28 and I don't have any problems anymore (I think I didn't have problems with 2.6.27 neither) 01:46:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15444 /trunk/src/lang/ (42 files): 01:46:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Fix (r15425): the chat messages gone gray. That gray colour was technically 01:46:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: right. The string contained {GRAY}, but due to a latent bug (accidentally fixed 01:46:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: in r15425) in the string drawing routing the gray would be interpreted as use 01:46:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: palette colour 14, which is a white. 01:46:49 <thingwath> I don't know, I still hope that if it was a kernel problem, it would still show some error message or at least blink with keyboard LEDs before dying completely :) (I know, I'm so naive.) 01:47:22 <Rubidium> not if the kernel overrides your ACPI stuff 01:47:24 <SmatZ> maybe PSU is going to die or so :) 01:47:54 <thingwath> it's mostly already dead 01:48:04 <SmatZ> hehe :) 01:49:10 <goodger> 27 isn't very mature yet 01:49:25 <goodger> and F10 was by no means mature when released 01:49:57 <SmatZ> goodger: it's the next kernel to be "maintainted for very long time" (as 2.6.16 used to be :) 01:50:10 <thingwath> or at least I think I need a new charger, only because a connector... 01:50:41 <thingwath> well, I've been using F10 from the second test :) I'm used to it, I do it with every fedora from version 4 or 5. :o) 01:51:04 <goodger> SmatZ: lovely 01:52:37 <SmatZ> hmm 2.6 tree is 5 years old! 01:55:08 <goodger> quite 01:55:24 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179094049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbar] 01:55:30 <goodger> and from an interview from circa 2.6.13, it will not be replaced 01:55:52 <thingwath> yes, but 2.6.28 would most likely be 2.10.0 with the old release system :) 01:56:13 <SmatZ> I think there was a discussion if it's better to use "another 2.6.xx , 2.8 or 3.0" 01:56:29 <SmatZ> the "use 2.6.xx" opinion probably won :) 01:56:34 <goodger> quite 01:56:35 <thingwath> Linus suggested something like Ubuntu date-based numbers. 01:56:47 <goodger> a problem with 2.2 vs 2.4 was observed 01:56:58 <goodger> people kept backporting things from 2.3 into the 2.2 kernel 01:57:12 <goodger> so they thought "sod it, we'll just release with linear version numbering" 01:57:29 <SmatZ> :o) 02:00:16 <thingwath> date-based release numbers are not that bad idea, for example, I can remember that .23 was almost unusable for me, because there were lot of changes, but I can't remember when it was... last year? 2007? I just don't know. 02:01:17 <goodger> does it really matter when it was released? 02:02:02 * SmatZ was surprised when he understood the meaning of ".4" and ".10" numbers ;) 02:02:20 <SmatZ> (in Ubuntu, month on release) 02:02:25 <thingwath> :) 02:02:28 <thingwath> me too. :) 02:02:54 <thingwath> it took me about two years :o) 02:03:07 <SmatZ> hehe someone else told me so :o) 02:12:41 <goodger> ¬.¬ 02:12:56 <goodger> it all went wrong with the 6.10 release 02:13:57 <goodger> they had four months to develop a new release of ubuntu. they decided to shove a lot of bleeding-edge features into it 02:14:20 <goodger> it became apparent that the bleeding-edge features would make it buggy as hell, and they decided to remove many of them 02:14:27 <goodger> despite this, it was still buggy as hell 02:15:13 <kd5pbo> Does anything affect an industry's production? 02:15:33 <kd5pbo> Percentage of cargo, transported, for example. 02:25:00 *** fjb_ [~frank@p5485C221.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 02:27:59 <Belugas> muuhh muuhh 02:28:47 *** fjb [~frank@p5485C6C4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:30:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15445 /trunk/src/core/smallmap_type.hpp: -Fix: little typos 02:40:00 <welshdragon> hmm 02:41:57 * welshdragon is tired, but has to get up in 4 hours 02:44:44 <goodger> welshdragon: stay up and drink a colossal amount of caffeine, then get to bed early 02:46:08 <welshdragon> goodger: i'm drinking fresh orange 02:46:16 <goodger> not good enough 02:46:28 <goodger> get yeself a two-litre bottle of pepsi max and a toilet 02:46:48 <welshdragon> hmm, all the pepsi max is gone :( 02:46:59 <goodger> buy more? 02:47:15 <welshdragon> nearest shop is closed 02:47:29 <welshdragon> 3rd nearest is about a 45 minute round trip walking 02:47:36 <goodger> go to a less-near shop? 02:47:37 * welshdragon doesn't drive 02:47:43 <goodger> ah 02:47:48 <goodger> problematic 02:47:54 <welshdragon> very :P 02:48:04 <goodger> see, if I really need anything, there's a 24-hour tesco ten minutes away 02:48:06 * welshdragon can't drive either 02:48:52 <goodger> inconvenient 02:48:55 <goodger> how do you move about? 02:48:59 * welshdragon points goodger to v 02:49:03 <welshdragon> argh 02:49:30 <welshdragon> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=40948 02:49:49 <welshdragon> that kinda explains about my sight 02:50:33 <goodger> :S 02:50:46 <goodger> how long have you had that? 02:52:31 <welshdragon> since birth 02:53:07 <goodger> how monstrously unpleasant a hand dealt by fate 02:53:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belugas * r15446 /trunk/src/core/smallmap_type.hpp: 02:53:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Revert(r15445): Seems that "iff" stands for "if and only if". So not much of a typo. 02:53:27 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Thanks, Yexo. I feel less ignorant today :D 02:54:02 <welshdragon> lol, what a revision! 02:54:08 <goodger> quite 02:54:47 <goodger> my grandmother is suffering from macular degeneration and cataracts, but my eyesight actually exceeds 20:20, so I have no idea what it must be like 02:54:57 <Sacro> blurry 02:55:03 <Sacro> and narrow fielded 02:55:11 <goodger> :S 02:55:31 <goodger> corrective lenses are powerless to help, I suppose, with this sort of thing 02:55:34 <welshdragon> goodger: my girlfriend has a similar condition, but hers affects her differently, she scored highly on an Autistic Spectrum test, so i believer she also has a form of autism 02:55:39 <goodger> still, I'd have thought there'd be a surgical assistance 02:56:02 <welshdragon> goodger: still, I'd have thought there'd be a surgical assistance < not necessarily 02:56:15 <Sacro> goodger: yep 02:56:27 <Sacro> cataracts can be lasered off 02:56:35 <Sacro> but only when they've developed sufficiently 02:56:44 <Sacro> macular degeneration is incurable currently 02:56:54 <goodger> I was talking about welshdragon's thing 02:56:55 <Sacro> btu there's hope of stem cells being able to regenerate them 02:57:08 <goodger> the NHS refused to treat the cataracts because she's too old 02:57:16 <goodger> I'm well aware the macular degeneration is incurable 02:57:31 <goodger> welshdragon: I can sympathise with her on that: I have asperger syndrome, it's not pleasant 02:57:37 <welshdragon> me and my girlfriend's vision can't be surgically cured, in fact, it could worsen and both of us could end up blind 02:57:44 <welshdragon> *mine 02:57:51 <goodger> still, I can't imagine having impaired vision 02:59:26 <goodger> that must be frustrating 02:59:36 <welshdragon> goodger: the easiest way to describe my vision is to get a crystal cleat picture on an analog television set 02:59:47 <welshdragon> then slightly detune it 03:00:01 <goodger> ah, that's what channel four looks like all the time 03:00:09 <goodger> I think I understand 03:01:06 <welshdragon> goodger: see /query :P 03:02:10 <thingwath> I'm happy with my shortsightedness :-) 03:02:31 <goodger> I'm happy with my superhuman vision :S 03:03:05 <goodger> I suppose I should be grateful for having a primarily conforming physical body 03:03:52 <goodger> if not a mind ^_^ 03:03:59 <thingwath> On the other hand, I don't like woodpeckers because of that. 03:04:16 <goodger> wha? 03:04:47 <thingwath> :) I were always told "look, a woodpecker there!", and I could never see any :D 03:05:42 <thingwath> they are still quite mythical creatures for me 03:06:36 <goodger> ... 03:06:45 <goodger> quite 03:07:38 <thingwath> seeing is believing 03:07:41 <thingwath> not seeing... :) 03:07:58 <goodger> I've never seen one 03:08:13 <goodger> then again, I've never seen one of those pigeons that goes "hoooooooo!" in the night obscenely loudly 03:08:26 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:10:43 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:11:10 <thingwath> I've heard them. Even tried to kill them. 03:12:23 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:12:36 <goodger> heh 03:15:00 <thingwath> they always managed to cover my balcony with 2 centimeters thick layer of shit every in three days after the last cleaning, bleh 03:16:34 <goodger> wonderful 03:26:15 <welshdragon> thingwath: just pour some poison over their food 03:26:24 <welshdragon> they will soon leave :P 03:31:52 *** const86 [~const@tower.mimas.ru] has joined #openttd 03:35:44 <thingwath> I left :-) 03:36:13 <goodger> heh 03:36:32 <thingwath> Not because of the pidgeons. :-) 03:38:42 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:42:38 *** TinoDidriksen [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 03:47:27 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 03:49:14 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:56:32 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Quit: Quit] 03:57:09 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:02:18 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest790 04:02:20 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:07:55 *** Guest790 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:21:27 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-98.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 04:47:12 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:49:21 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:54:26 <kd5pbo> Is there any way to increase a town's size besides moving people around? 04:54:35 <kd5pbo> Also, is there any way to convince a small town to accept goods? 05:00:08 <goodger> you can ship goods to a town to make it grow 05:04:41 <kd5pbo> My towns are too small for that, too. 05:05:39 <goodger> then move people about. :( 05:07:34 <kd5pbo> I am. 05:07:52 <kd5pbo> I get about 20 people a month to move. 05:08:33 <kd5pbo> And, the towns are 2000 squares apart or so. 05:08:36 <goodger> how small is this town? 05:09:02 <kd5pbo> One's got 251 people, the other 353. 05:09:12 <kd5pbo> 363* 05:09:35 <goodger> ah. 05:09:49 <goodger> I suggest you locate your bus station more centrally 05:10:02 <goodger> and possibly provide a shuttle bus service to the railway station if a railway station is used 05:10:18 <kd5pbo> I'll try that. 05:10:31 <kd5pbo> Is there any point to a bus service in a town that small? 05:10:58 <goodger> yes, if the railway station is located too far away 05:11:28 <kd5pbo> Two squares from what appears to be main street? 05:11:40 <goodger> indeed 05:11:41 <kd5pbo> One square, in the other town. 05:25:48 <kd5pbo> What does the red and green bar under the waiting cargo value bars represent? 05:25:57 <kd5pbo> In the station list. 05:32:11 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 05:32:11 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:32:17 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 05:32:30 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest801 05:32:32 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:36:20 *** Guest801 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 05:49:27 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest803 05:49:29 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:51:23 <De_Ghost> lol 05:51:47 <De_Ghost> the tried and true method of growing town 05:51:52 <De_Ghost> just build 9 stations 05:52:01 <De_Ghost> run a bus or 2 constantly 05:52:10 <De_Ghost> doesn't matter where as long as they are in the town limit :) 05:52:18 <De_Ghost> so they can acually be beside each other 05:52:19 <De_Ghost> :) 05:53:33 <goodger> heh 05:53:42 <goodger> bus station, tile of road, bus station 05:54:23 <kd5pbo> I don't think that would work very well. 05:54:31 <kd5pbo> Only one way to find out. 05:54:44 *** Guest803 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:24 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 05:56:55 <De_Ghost> it works perfectly 05:59:01 <De_Ghost> http://www.openttdcoop.org/wiki/PublicServer:Archive_-_Games_101_-_110 05:59:15 <De_Ghost> bad example 05:59:17 <De_Ghost> anyways 05:59:23 <De_Ghost> in openttd coop 05:59:28 <De_Ghost> we grow towns all the time 06:02:09 <kd5pbo> I did it. 06:02:17 <kd5pbo> My stations kept wanting to join together. 06:02:37 <De_Ghost> hold Ctrl 06:02:40 <De_Ghost> then drop station 06:12:52 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest805 06:12:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 06:17:40 *** Guest805 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:19:31 <kd5pbo> Oh. 06:19:36 <kd5pbo> Naptime. 06:19:42 *** kd5pbo is now known as kd5pbo|away 06:30:42 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:33:31 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:36:16 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:49:08 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@216-165-16-98.DYNAPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 07:05:25 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has joined #openttd 07:05:52 <petern> "if and only if" should be represented by the text "if and only if" not "iff" 07:07:04 <petern> i'm not quite sure what "if and only if" is supposed to mean here, though. 07:10:23 <petern> seems that "if" by itself is perfectly correct. 07:10:56 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iff 07:12:03 <planetmaker> morning 07:13:15 <planetmaker> [08:05] <petern> "if and only if" should be represented by the text "if and only if" not "iff" <-- petern, iff is widely used in the mathematical community :) 07:13:43 <petern> i don't give a shit 07:13:54 <planetmaker> iff as opposed to if means, if A -> B; if not A -> not B 07:14:19 <planetmaker> while if means: if A -> B; if not > -> anything 07:14:29 <petern> what part of "true if the key was found" is ambiguous? 07:14:31 <planetmaker> while if means: if A -> B; if not A -> anything 07:15:19 <Rubidium> it could also be true if the key was not found 07:15:31 <planetmaker> yep 07:15:47 <petern> well 07:15:48 <petern> okay 07:16:03 <petern> have fun updating a fuck load of comments just for your pedanticism 07:16:26 <planetmaker> computers are more pedantic than humans ;) 07:18:02 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15447 /trunk/src/core/ (smallmap_type.hpp smallvec_type.hpp): -Codechange: void functions don't tend to return true if and only if anyway 07:18:20 <planetmaker> lol :) 07:20:09 *** De_Ghost [~s@76-10-160-38.dsl.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:22 *** tkjacobsen [~tkjacobse@pppoe2-ves.broadcom.dk] has joined #openttd 07:24:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has joined #openttd 07:26:57 *** Yeggstry [~mind@cpc2-rdng14-0-0-cust631.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #openttd 07:27:50 <petern> planetmaker: computers don't read comments written for humans 07:28:02 <planetmaker> I know :) 07:28:24 <planetmaker> despite that it may be important to know, if a relation is either A <-> B or only A -> B :) 07:28:30 <petern> maybe in non-english your rules for if are different 07:29:04 <Sacro> if it is raining, i will get wet 07:29:05 <planetmaker> not really. 07:29:13 <Sacro> however that's not to say that if i'm wet then it's raining 07:29:23 <planetmaker> foam party! :D 07:29:29 <Sacro> planetmaker: hush you 07:30:00 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 07:30:00 <Rubidium> petern: some academic teachers seem to think they do 07:30:15 <petern> who gives a fuck about them? 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Thinking of coke... thinking of phosphorous acid, nitric acid and sugar are synonyms... :) 09:08:51 <goodger> I drink pepsi max, it only has the phosphoric acid 09:09:31 <goodger> and E150d, aspartame, acesulphame K, flavourings, sodium benzoate, and citric acid. 09:10:50 <goodger> I like how the E-numbering system has become basically worthless since manufacturers are putting the full chemical names of ingredients on the cans, to avoid customers looking at it and thinking "lots of E-numbers" 09:12:09 <planetmaker> well. Better the full name than just cryptic numbers. 09:12:25 <goodger> not really 09:12:36 <goodger> the cryptic numbers were designed specifically to be non-cryptic 09:12:45 <goodger> for instance, anything beginning with 1 was a colourant 09:14:48 <planetmaker> which doesn't tell you anything about how the substance works 09:14:56 <planetmaker> in biochemical contexts 09:15:38 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:38 *** el_en [~lanurmi@dyn-xdsl-83-150-113-243.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 09:22:32 <petern> planetmaker is missing the point 09:22:47 <petern> most people don't understand the names anyway 09:24:37 <planetmaker> true. Nor do they the E-numbers. 09:24:48 <planetmaker> so neither matters, does it? 09:25:14 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:46 <petern> except for the 'lots of E-numbers' bit that goodger pointed out 09:26:02 <goodger> the "lots of E-numbers" bit is quite important. 09:26:20 <Roest> mrng 09:28:27 <petern> it's amusing to see the number of names they can come up with for sugar to avoid it being first in the list 09:28:56 *** DaleStan is now known as Guest836 09:28:57 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 09:29:32 <goodger> heh 09:29:32 <goodger> yes 09:29:59 <goodger> glucose syrup. fructose syrup. maltose-fructose syrup 09:30:14 <goodger> my favourite is the words used for fats, however 09:30:15 *** Guest836 [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:17 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:05 <planetmaker> [10:28] <petern> it's amusing to see the number of names they can come up with for sugar to avoid it being first in the list <-- very true indeed :) 09:34:22 <planetmaker> every small change of a hydrogen atom called differently... 09:34:38 <planetmaker> goodger: what's that? (the word)? 09:34:45 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:35:02 <goodger> planetmaker: I can't find any precise examples 09:35:07 <goodger> but it was something like.... 09:35:14 <goodger> "mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids" 09:35:30 <planetmaker> he, yeah. :) 09:35:34 <goodger> "mono- and diglycerides of something else" 09:43:25 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 09:48:58 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@lies.students.cs.uu.nl] has joined #openttd 09:54:54 * petern wonders how X509Store works on mono... 09:56:40 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 09:56:44 <petern> Sacro! 09:56:51 <petern> how does X509Store work on mono? 09:57:05 <Sacro> Indeed 09:57:06 <Sacro> nfi 10:00:55 <petern> hmm, there's a certmgr but that's part of the 1.0 framework :/ 10:01:08 <Sacro> hmm 10:01:10 <Sacro> never used it 10:01:14 <Sacro> just doing my coursework 10:01:23 <Sacro> tcpclient :( 10:06:16 <petern> what's up with tcpclient? 10:12:16 <Sacro> meh 10:12:18 <Sacro> sucky 10:14:35 <petern> what is? 10:14:44 <Sacro> this uni 10:14:48 <petern> ah 10:14:58 <Sacro> lawrence has spent about 20 mins waiting for his desktop to load 10:15:02 <Sacro> and fire up visual studio 10:15:03 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has joined #openttd 10:15:13 <petern> more ram 10:15:18 <Sacro> Dunno 10:15:21 <Sacro> this lab sucks arse 10:15:29 <Sacro> we usually sneak into the .net lab 10:15:35 <Sacro> eerm s/\.net/games/ 10:15:39 <petern> heh 10:15:45 <Sacro> that has quad core phenoms and 4GB ram 10:15:52 <Sacro> and a gamecube devkit on each machine 10:15:55 <petern> just write c# in vim and use gmcs to compile it 10:15:58 <petern> simpler ;) 10:16:03 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has joined #openttd 10:16:44 <Sacro> haha 10:16:47 <Sacro> he's got VS 10:16:51 <Sacro> then 2 minutes for file 10:16:54 <Sacro> another minute to click new 10:17:05 <petern> yeah, not enough ram 10:17:07 <Sacro> let's see how long before it can figure out what to offer him 10:17:16 <petern> works fine for me, heh 10:17:31 <Sacro> does for us at home 10:17:33 <Sacro> and in other labs 10:19:11 <Sacro> grr, his server is giving unexpected results 10:19:27 <petern> bah, now certmgr won't import my p12 ;( 10:22:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:22:53 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has joined #openttd 10:23:24 *** mortal` [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:23:32 <smallfly> where i can upload a sourcecode easily? not like sourceforge, where you have to select the licence, type of project etc. i just want to upload my source to grant other programmers access to it, so that they can discuss about it 10:23:52 <dihedral> .... 10:23:54 <dihedral> forums 10:23:57 <SmatZ> nopaste.org ? 10:24:04 <dihedral> ohlo 10:24:04 <smallfly> not only one file 10:24:08 <smallfly> a whole project! 10:24:08 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CCD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 10:24:09 <dihedral> zip? 10:24:19 <dihedral> silly! 10:24:22 <smallfly> to complicated. i need something like a code viewer 10:24:27 <dihedral> ... 10:24:34 <smallfly> i want to update the source daily. 10:24:38 <dihedral> what do you think you have for an audience in the forums? 10:24:44 <dihedral> smallfly, sf 10:24:48 *** Mortal`` [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:24:54 <dihedral> get yourself an svn repo 10:24:58 <davis-> >:O 10:25:08 <SmatZ> there are several places that host hg repos... but I forgot names 10:25:15 *** Mortal [~mortal@217.60.138.74] has quit [] 10:25:20 <smallfly> what means hg? 10:25:21 <dihedral> idiot! sorry - but honestly - you asked for that one 10:25:40 <dihedral> gooooooooogle 10:25:42 <dihedral> :-P 10:26:26 <Roest> http://code.google.com/hosting/ easy, fast and has web viewers 10:26:31 <smallfly> i know "google is your friend", and of course i googled before 10:26:41 <smallfly> Roest, thanks 10:27:05 <dihedral> smallfly, you seem to need everything predigested and your nappies changed by mom...! 10:27:20 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*dih@*.vserver.de] by petern 10:27:20 *** dihedral was kicked from #openttd by petern [yawn] 10:29:27 * smallfly suppresses any comments 10:30:17 <Roest> btw googlecode is svn so you will need an svn client 10:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Hg is the chemical symbol for mercury, of course 10:30:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:30:49 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 10:31:24 <Roest> honestly that's a typical nerd thing, no other normal person would make that connection 10:32:19 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!*dih@*.vserver.de] by petern 10:32:22 *** dihedral [~dih@vs241204.vserver.de] has joined #openttd 10:32:24 <smallfly> well, i have a svn client to download the openttd source. 10:37:28 <smallfly> had a look at code.google.com. they also ask for a licence type. perhaps i just host it myself ... 10:37:47 <petern> why not just pick a license? 10:38:01 <smallfly> because i dont the content of all those licences 10:38:10 <petern> if you were using opengfx then you ought to pick GPL anyway 10:38:10 <dihedral> then start reading it 10:38:13 <SpComb> smallfly: bitbucket/github 10:38:32 <smallfly> if you were using opengfx then you ought to pick GPL anyway <-- good point 10:38:32 <dihedral> publishing something without specifying a lisence is not a very wise thing to do 10:38:52 <Eddi|zuHause> distributing stuff _without_ license is generally a bad idea 10:38:57 <dihedral> smallfly, i would suggest you read the gpl license though 10:39:18 <SpComb> as the origional author, you have the copyrights and nobody can stop you from distributing that 10:39:19 <smallfly> i dont want to complete the project i upload, i just want to give other people the chance to see a fully functioning complex graphical game written in c# 10:39:37 <smallfly> AND want to discuss about the things, you could realize a better way 10:39:50 <dihedral> then visit the correct irc channel, and dcc send the source to everybody 10:39:57 *** KD5PBO233 [~KD5PBO@136.242.18.131] has joined #openttd 10:40:04 <SpComb> and my understanding of code sitting in a repo somewhere without any license is that you're free to download it and use it, but distributing it is a no-no 10:40:09 *** KD5PBO233 is now known as kd5pbo 10:40:30 *** kd5pbo [~KD5PBO@136.242.18.131] has left #openttd [] 10:40:31 <dihedral> SpComb, simple copyright would apply, would it not? 10:40:32 <SpComb> smallfly: bitbucket/github gives you an online source code browser that you can link to etc, wiki, and issue tracker 10:40:37 <SpComb> dihedral: indeed 10:40:41 * petern fancies some cola now, thanks to goodger :/ 10:40:44 *** kd5pbo [~KD5PBO@136.242.18.131] has joined #openttd 10:40:58 <smallfly> bitbucket/github gives you an online source code browser that you can link to etc, wiki, and issue tracker <-- now we get closer to my intention 10:41:02 <dihedral> petern, you are a very fast person today 10:41:11 <dihedral> :-P 10:41:15 <dihedral> he said that like 3 hours ago 10:41:16 <petern> i had coffee at the time 10:41:28 <petern> only 2 10:41:34 <goodger> petern: I'm flattered by the idea that I can influence someone like that ^_^ 10:41:36 <dihedral> smallfly, you would have to use git :-) 10:41:38 <dihedral> :-D 10:41:55 <SpComb> smallfly: bitbucket gives you 150MB for free, and you can learn how to use mercurial at the same time, as an added bonus :) 10:41:56 <dihedral> goodger, dont try it with patches :-D 10:42:43 <dihedral> SpComb, he will not want to do that - he would have to read more than just having to read a few license files, which he already does not want to do which is the reason why he does not want to use sf or google code 10:43:07 <dihedral> so that would be a huge contradiction 10:43:25 * Sacro installs IE6 10:43:27 <SpComb> version control and licensing are both important things for a developer to know and understand 10:43:31 <SpComb> but myes, --> 10:43:44 <Sacro> SpComb: does bitbucket force you to show source? 10:43:51 <Sacro> cos that's bad for uni things 10:43:54 <dihedral> smallfly, if you weigh out how many people would consider looking at the code, and how much upload bandwidth you have, just host it at home and use something like dyndns 10:44:34 <smallfly> (i have several websites; i can host the code there; i'd just need a php-based code viewer module) 10:44:36 <dihedral> i would not expect there to be too many requests :-P 10:44:49 <dihedral> smallfly, you have a svn repository? 10:44:57 <Born_Acorn> IE6? Noooo! 10:45:18 <smallfly> i have a svn client. does that answer your question? 10:45:25 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: i have Windows Me 10:45:25 <dihedral> ..... 10:45:29 <Sacro> i'm trying to get it to use NTLMv2 10:45:33 * Roest giggles 10:45:43 <Born_Acorn> Windows Me? Nooooooo! 10:45:49 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: OSX won't do what I want 10:45:52 * dihedral can think of many words now which he will not say because petern would possibly believe it would be an overreaction 10:45:52 <Sacro> so I need windows 10:45:57 <Sacro> I only have an ME VM on me 10:46:22 <Roest> so dihedral got up with the wrong foot today? 10:46:29 <dihedral> no 10:46:40 <dihedral> got out of the wrong bed :-D 10:46:51 <Born_Acorn> Sacro, if I was religious I would pray for your computer! 10:46:55 <Sacro> Born_Acorn: hehe :) 10:46:58 * smallfly just looks for a php solution 10:47:01 <Sacro> Macbook running Windows ME <2 10:47:03 <Sacro> <3 10:47:17 <dihedral> Born_Acorn, depends on the religion 10:47:29 <Roest> smallfly that leaves me speachless now too 10:47:49 <dihedral> Roest, now may i say that he is clearly asking for those comments? 10:47:59 <smallfly> what? that i do not know how to setup a svn repository? 10:48:09 <dihedral> no - there is more :-) 10:48:31 <Roest> there was a time i didnt know that either, but as a programmer you should educate yourself on how to do it 10:48:34 <dihedral> do you have ssh access to your webhost? 10:48:50 <dihedral> what is the prob with using google or sf? 10:49:05 <petern> hmm 10:49:12 <smallfly> no 10:49:16 <petern> can i "uninherit" a class method ? :o 10:49:28 * petern suspects not... 10:49:31 <kd5pbo> At one point there was some university in Taiwan that would give you free space for a repository. 10:49:50 <Rubidium> overload it an fill it with NOT_REACHED? 10:50:15 <SmatZ> petern: maybe make it private? (so it is "hidden" from outside world" 10:50:18 <dihedral> smallfly, is your only objection towards sf or google code the fact you would have to chose a license? 10:50:42 <smallfly> i dont need to share the code. just need a read-only possibility. think, that a php-based code would do its job in this case. only need to look for it. 10:50:54 <smallfly> smallfly, is your only objection towards sf or google code the fact you would have to chose a license? <-- yes 10:50:58 <dihedral> smallfly, where is 'read only' not 'share' 10:51:00 <petern> SmatZ, not allowed to change access from public to private :( 10:51:38 <dihedral> making it readable to public is equals to publishing it 10:51:41 <Roest> smallfly are you on windows? 10:51:51 <dihedral> Roest, duh 10:51:58 <kd5pbo> https://opensvn.csie.org/ <-- SVN server with very lax rules. 10:52:18 <Roest> no i didnt mean to imply anything about windows users 10:52:47 <Roest> but on windows you can just install svn as a service and run the repo, get dyndns and you're set for your purpose 10:53:33 <kd5pbo> smallfly: Your uni doesn't give you webspace or something? 10:54:41 <dihedral> smallfly, what do you study? 10:54:57 <Roest> careful 10:54:58 <Eddi|zuHause> smallfly: i would urgently advise you to chose a license 10:55:11 * smallfly needs to look up the word "wirtschaftsingenieurwesen" 10:55:24 <Roest> :) 10:55:33 <Roest> (: 10:55:50 <smallfly> somethink like industrial engineering and management 10:55:58 <smallfly> think = thing 10:56:26 <Roest> ok officially you are not required to know about setting up a svn repo 10:56:41 <energetic> I am looking for the code where food/goods affect town growth positively. I cant find it, after searching for a few hours. Is it there, and if yes, where (063)? 10:56:53 <smallfly> because of the opengraphics i use. i need to choose gpl i think 10:57:06 <energetic> I did find the code where water/food is required in desert/arctic towns. 10:57:13 <Sacro> smallfly: I don't think that's tue 10:57:15 <Sacro> *true 10:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> energetic: i'd try something like town_cmd.cpp 10:57:22 <dihedral> wirtschaftsingenieurwesen <- dann solltest du doch etwas heller sein ;-) 10:57:27 <dihedral> ops - sorry 10:57:31 <dihedral> english only 10:57:35 <dihedral> shhh 10:57:48 <energetic> Eddi: thats where I looked most of the time. Either I need more coffee or...? 10:58:06 <Eddi|zuHause> energetic: i don't think there is a positive effect 10:58:15 <smallfly> irc command to send a pm? 10:58:23 <dihedral> ditch that thought 10:58:30 <dihedral> have you on ignore for pm's anyway already 10:58:35 <dihedral> sorry pm 10:58:36 <energetic> so bringing food/goods to town doesnt help growth.... 10:58:49 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, it does 10:58:56 <smallfly> dont mean an extra pm window 10:59:06 <Eddi|zuHause> but it does not matter if you bring 5 or 5000 units each month 10:59:23 <energetic> right 10:59:32 <kd5pbo> smallfly: /msg 10:59:51 <dihedral> smallfly, if you want everybody to be able to read your code, that is the same as publishing it 10:59:56 <energetic> but i cant find the code anywhere. Also: the wiki states increasing food supply helps growth. Cant find that either. 11:00:02 <dihedral> then you should really pick a license to be on the safe side 11:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause> energetic: then the wiki is probably wrong 11:00:49 <smallfly> [11:56] <kd5pbo> smallfly: /msg <-- thx 11:00:50 <Roest> i kinda doubt make code readably equals publishing it as open source 11:00:58 <energetic> hmm, but I want to be sure. Since I have not read a whole lot of cpp code in my life, Im here to confirm 11:01:21 <energetic> thats why I am thinking more that _I_ am wrong, and I just missed the code. 11:01:27 <dihedral> Roest, why is that? where is the difference 11:01:40 <dihedral> well - rephrase 11:01:56 <dihedral> eitherway you have 'published it' 11:01:57 <smallfly> dihedral, i dont think that you may call me an idiot because of a lack of knowledge concerning several it things 11:02:10 <energetic> but the wiki article is incorrect/not complete on more parts, I will edit it soon i think 11:02:13 <smallfly> you cant know everything 11:02:15 <dihedral> smallfly, you are right 11:02:21 <energetic> If I can get the rights to do it 11:02:38 <dihedral> appology accepted :-D 11:02:39 <Roest> anyway lunch time 11:02:41 * dihedral giggles 11:03:41 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80E41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 11:06:43 <SpComb> Sacro: I don't use it, but there's some kind of feature called "private repos" 11:07:10 <SpComb> Sacro: if you really care about now giving the source to 3rd parties, then don't, i.e. don't use bitbucket 11:07:22 <Sacro> well not so much "3rd parties" 11:07:27 <Sacro> but other students on my course 11:07:36 <Sacro> if they find my repo then we both get done for plagierism :( 11:07:51 <smallfly> so, now you convinced me to choose a licence: which one should i take (its a c# project, programmed by myself, using the opengfx) 11:08:12 <Sacro> depends, do you want to allow commercial usage? 11:08:24 <smallfly> doesnt matter 11:08:34 <dihedral> smallfly, what aims to you have? 11:08:39 <smallfly> but remember, the opengfx are in! 11:08:42 <dihedral> you already said you dont want to publish it 11:08:53 <smallfly> i said i want to publish it 11:09:08 <smallfly> you always turn around the words in my mouth 11:09:13 <dihedral> but - you want it to be open source, and you want others to benefit from it? (use it without having to ask for your permission) 11:09:24 <smallfly> yes 11:09:34 <dihedral> smallfly, sorry - my typo - you said you did not want to 'complete' it :-P 11:09:43 <smallfly> correct 11:09:59 <smallfly> (i want to complete it, but i know that i would not be able to manage that) 11:10:15 <dihedral> you care for others being able to modify your code and redistribute it? or they can base complete new projects on your code.... 11:10:26 <smallfly> no problem for me 11:10:33 <Sacro> sigh, how to get hg serve to work with forests 11:10:33 <smallfly> everybody may use the code 11:10:54 <smallfly> the only problem i have are the opengfx i use 11:11:00 <Sacro> smallfly: even a business for profit? 11:11:13 <Sacro> say I wanted to sell your program 11:11:31 <energetic> so you may end up buying your own code in binary form :D 11:11:51 <kd5pbo> What license are opengfx? 11:11:56 <smallfly> if that leeds to a programm i really like, why not 11:12:00 <energetic> (this is what actually happened to some oldtime coders who bought a mac) 11:12:26 <dihedral> smallfly, what if it does not lead to an app you like? 11:12:50 <kd5pbo> What if Microsoft decides to appropriate it? 11:12:50 <smallfly> whats to wrong about it? 11:12:54 <dihedral> what if someone just packages what you have written, prints a manual booklet and sells that, perhaps even makes money on it 11:13:21 <smallfly> ok, ok, just say what licence i should take!! 11:13:37 <dihedral> those questions will give you options of licenses 11:13:48 <dihedral> we are not trying to annoy you 11:13:54 <smallfly> you dont 11:13:57 <energetic> haha 11:13:58 <dihedral> we are asking things where licenses differ 11:14:06 <petern> FreeBSD is more open than GPL 11:14:10 <smallfly> example: gnu. ok? 11:14:12 <petern> err 11:14:17 <petern> i think i meant to type BSD :o 11:14:20 <petern> sigh 11:14:29 <dihedral> :-) 11:14:48 * dihedral knows a mom who is more open than gpl :-P 11:15:03 <petern> english only 11:15:45 <smallfly> whats the main difference between gnu general public and gnu lesser public? asked a different way: what would YOU prefer for YOUR projects 11:16:09 <SpComb> LGPL = GPL for libraries 11:16:20 <SpComb> i.e. non-GPL code can use LGPL code as a library 11:16:36 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@lies.students.cs.uu.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:20 <smallfly> with libraries you mean selfmade dll files, do you? 11:17:21 <dihedral> SpComb, not true 11:17:35 <dihedral> LGPL was renamed from Library GPL to Lesser GPL 11:17:37 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba0633.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 11:17:48 <dihedral> precisely because of that misconception 11:18:06 <dihedral> smallfly, a good idea is to read them 11:18:10 <dihedral> it does not take very long 11:18:18 <dihedral> and is usually helpful 11:18:23 <dihedral> for now and for future stuff 11:18:29 <dihedral> at least you then know what they state 11:18:50 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:18:58 <SpComb> dihedral: well, that's the original idea, I believe 11:19:12 <SpComb> smallfly: if you don't really care, sounds like you just want the GPL 11:19:23 <smallfly> ok. version 2 or 3? 11:19:26 <SpComb> and if OpenGFX is GPL, then it's easier to just use the GPL as well yourself instead of wrangling about weird stuff 11:19:30 <SpComb> heh, now that's a slightly harder question 11:20:41 * smallfly comes to the point to use GPL. last question to clarify: GPL version 2 or 3 11:20:56 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@circle.a-eskwadraat.nl] has joined #openttd 11:21:12 <SpComb> I guess GPLv3 is the safe bet, and I can't really argue against it 11:21:20 <Timitry> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gpl#GPL_Version_3 11:21:26 <smallfly> ok. i take it. 11:21:30 <smallfly> thanks 11:21:44 <SpComb> in theory it's the same as GPLv2 with some loopholes patched up, but it's more complicated than the GPLv2 11:22:10 <SpComb> smallfly: for a one-man project, licensing isn't such a terribly important thing, and you can always change it later if it's your code 11:22:33 <smallfly> yeah, i never said something else. the licence is just required to host it 11:23:47 <SpComb> yeah, just making sure you don't stress too much about it, and spoil it all for yourself :P 11:23:56 <el_en> remember that GPLv2 and GPLv3 are not compatible. 11:25:28 <smallfly> "OpenGFX is licensed under the General Public License version 2.0." <--- should i also take 2.0 for my project to make it easier? 11:27:10 <smallfly> el_en, this question was directed to you (?) 11:29:39 <SpComb> you won't loose very much if you choose GPLv2 over v3 11:29:46 <smallfly> k 11:29:59 <SpComb> but the not-compatible thing sounds very silly 11:31:38 <davis-> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=103933 , does anyone know the name of the grf's? tracks and city 11:32:47 *** kd5pbo [~KD5PBO@136.242.18.131] has quit [Quit: 73!] 11:33:28 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: for them to be compatible it must be "GPLv2 or later" 11:33:57 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot just take GPLv2 code and release it under GPLv3 11:34:15 <Ammler> davis, nacity, yarrs, citystations (newstations), newdepot or something like that (all in coop grfpack) 11:34:39 <petern> SpComb, lose 11:35:02 <davis-> thanks 11:35:09 <davis-> (: 11:37:38 <Timitry> Can i merge a patch with MinGW and MSys? 11:38:10 <SpComb> petern: quite 11:42:36 <planetmaker> smallfly: you may want to study that site: http://creativecommons.org/license/ 11:43:23 <el_en> SpComb: "loose" â "lose" 11:43:24 <planetmaker> it asks the correct questions and shows the differences between the major licenses 11:43:40 <smallfly> k, thx, i saved the link 11:44:47 *** frederyk [~frank@brln-4dba0633.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 11:46:43 *** fjb_ is now known as fjb 11:46:44 <smallfly> yuhu, i managed to upload something to google code via svn *being-proud* http://code.google.com/p/transportsimulation/source/browse/#svn/trunk 11:47:19 <smallfly> am i also allowed to upload the SDL *.dll 's as well as the opengfx? 11:47:49 <planetmaker> read the licenses which accompany those things. 11:48:17 <smallfly> "GNU LGPL license" --> so i may use the libraries = dlls as you said 11:48:25 <smallfly> but may i also upload the files? 11:49:57 <Timitry> Don't trust me, but: Yes, with proper credits 11:50:35 <smallfly> ok, i'll take that as a no. ;-) 11:51:05 <smallfly> (too unsafe) 11:55:36 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 11:58:31 <smallfly> dihedral, 11:58:44 <smallfly> now i uploaded the whole project 11:58:57 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 11:59:49 <smallfly> perhaps i can show you now, which advantages i see in c# concerning to readability of the code compared to c++ 12:00:35 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.18.131] has joined #openttd 12:00:42 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 12:01:15 *** Lisby^ [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 12:06:36 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 12:07:52 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:07 *** Lisby [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:09:51 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@circle.a-eskwadraat.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad923d1.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:51 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1bc.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 12:36:46 <dihedral> smallfly, you can write code nearly anyhow you like (for a lot of languages that is the case at least) 12:37:26 <dihedral> being used to or not being used to the coding style in openttd has nothing to do with readability of the language 12:37:39 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28CACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:38 *** Lisby^^ [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has joined #openttd 12:39:32 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:51 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 12:41:32 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 12:44:31 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 12:45:07 *** davis- [~iloveme@p5B28CCD9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:45:23 <fjb> Any C bases syntax is far from the optimum of readability. It is efficient to type and parse, but not to read. 12:45:29 <SpComb> el_en: quite 12:45:31 *** Lisby^ [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:46:04 *** glx [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:46:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:46:16 <SpComb> smallfly: the nth rule of SCM is that you don't store generated files under version control 12:46:45 <Ammler> SpComb: like openttdw.grf? 12:46:59 <glx> Ammler: wrong example 12:47:02 <SpComb> in an ideal world, you wouldn't 12:47:03 <Ammler> :-) 12:47:22 <SpComb> you'd have the grfcodec source and the nfo/image stuff, and generate the .grf at make-time 12:47:39 <SpComb> dunno how people handle versioning of the openttdw nfo/pcm now 12:48:02 <glx> it's in svn 12:48:27 <Roest> dihedral there is a big difference if i just let someone read the code or if i let them use and change it 12:48:40 <SpComb> but the nfo/pcx -> grf probably isn't part of the build process? 12:48:59 <smallfly> smallfly: the nth rule of SCM is that you don't store generated files under version control <--- do i? 12:49:01 <glx> there's a makefile for it :) 12:49:09 <dihedral> Roest, where is the difference between 'read access' for all and 'published'? 12:49:13 <Rubidium> SpComb: neither is the assembler for a C++ compiler... 12:49:33 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 12:49:42 <dihedral> if you can read the code, you can download it 12:49:48 <SpComb> well, tools are a separate thing, you could require everyone to install grfcodec to build OpenTTD 12:49:54 <Roest> but you're still not allowed to use it 12:49:56 <dihedral> if you then dont state a license it's simple copyright law applies 12:50:13 <Rubidium> nor do we add zlib, freetype, libpng, libfontconfig, libicu, directx's sources to the svn 12:50:13 <glx> SpComb: most people don't have the right version :) 12:50:25 <dihedral> sure you are - as long as no license is defined for the project 12:50:35 <SpComb> glx: the right version of gcc? 12:50:44 <glx> of grfcodec 12:50:48 <dihedral> SpComb, in it's source :-D 12:51:00 <dihedral> Rubidium, squirrel? :-) 12:51:02 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:13 <Ammler> grfcodec needs also boost, afaik... 12:51:22 <glx> dihedral: for squirrel it's different, we totally embed it in our code 12:52:09 <SpComb> but doesn't OpenTTD compile the language files using a tool compiled as part of the build process? 12:52:10 <Rubidium> and we change it 12:52:24 <Rubidium> SpComb: yes 12:52:34 <glx> yeah that too, it's not OOB squirrel 12:52:35 <SpComb> but whatever, in practice the openttdw.grf probably doesn't change often enough that it really matters 12:52:36 <Rubidium> but that tool isn't quite a 'general purpose' tool 12:52:55 <SpComb> but the principle of "no generated files under version control" holds 12:53:14 <dihedral> Rubidium, i know you change it - i was just pointing out that you have it's source in your svn, but i am aware of it being a different situation 12:53:21 <glx> well .vcproj are generated ;) 12:53:37 <Rubidium> yeah, lets remove the .vcproj 12:53:53 <SpComb> if you used e.g. cmake you wouldn't need to include generated .vcproj's 12:54:05 <Rubidium> actually... remove all MSVC project files; they're all generated with a tool anyway 12:54:07 <SpComb> but I guess you have our own replacement (some kind of generate.sh script) 12:54:08 *** De_Ghosty [~s@69-196-188-148.dsl.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 12:54:11 <petern> what generated file is in that folder? 12:54:31 <glx> at first bash was needed to generate it, but now we also have a wscript 12:54:44 <planetmaker> Rubidium: just a quick question inbetween as I don't have my dev computer here: is libiconv already a dependency for OpenTTD (on Mac)? 12:55:01 <Rubidium> planetmaker: yes-ish 12:55:13 <petern> Program.cs D: 12:55:13 <planetmaker> :) ok, thx. Then I may continue reading there :) 12:55:50 <Rubidium> well, not 100% requirement looking at config.lib 12:56:45 <Rubidium> although... well... OSX doesn't use UTF-8 for it's FS; it uses it's own interpretation of UTF-8 12:57:08 <Rubidium> like MS does for virtually any standard (including their own) 12:57:35 <planetmaker> yeah, it has some peculiarities... 12:57:46 <dihedral> to say the least 12:57:52 <petern> MS uses UTF-16/UCS2, doesn't it? 12:58:14 <glx> hmm yes, and utf16 is a nice thing ;) 12:58:23 <glx> 2 possible endians 12:58:23 <petern> no :/ 12:58:30 <planetmaker> :P 12:58:35 <petern> and i can't believe that people debated using it in ottd... 12:59:04 <glx> without BOM utf16 is unusable 12:59:15 *** Rexxie [~rexxars@62.113.132.255] has joined #openttd 13:00:28 <smallfly> if you used e.g. cmake you wouldn't need to include generated .vcproj's <-- i am not sure, if you talked to me, but i deleted the project file now 13:01:50 <petern> why? 13:01:56 <petern> how am i supposed to open it? :( 13:02:09 <petern> vcproj is not autogenerated 13:02:23 <petern> or csproj 13:02:44 <glx> petern: try projects/generate ;) 13:02:58 <petern> glx, not in smallfly's svn... 13:03:04 <glx> ha ok 13:03:09 <planetmaker> I wish for a function like work->generate_thesis 13:03:29 *** TrueBrain [truebrain@openttd.org] has joined #openttd 13:03:35 <dihedral> hehe planetmaker 13:03:57 <dihedral> welcome TrueBrain 13:03:58 * Rubidium welcomes the one and only TrueBrain ;) 13:04:05 <TrueBrain> lol @ Rubidium 13:04:13 <Eddi|zuHause> <dihedral> Roest, where is the difference between 'read access' for all and 'published'? <- having an unreleased film on torrents, you have "read access", but it is not "published" 13:05:10 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, wrt smallfly wanting everybody to be able to read his code, but not wanting to have chosen a license because he was not 'publishing' it! 13:05:44 <TrueBrain> lol @ Eddi|zuHause, glad to see he still has humour ;) Haha :) 13:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> ;) 13:10:42 <planetmaker> :P 13:10:49 <PierreW> any1 knows why the DB Set Trains GRF is shown as "deactivated" after adding it as NewGRF? Using nightly build 13:11:21 <TrueBrain> this aint SMS ... anyone ... how hard can it be ... :s 13:11:49 <Rubidium> wrong climate? 13:11:52 <SpComb> smallfly: I was referring to OpenTTD 13:11:54 <Rubidium> already loaded train set? 13:12:12 <dihedral> Rubidium, is the reason not usually mentioned? 13:12:12 <Rubidium> ancient buggy version? 13:12:53 <Rubidium> I'm not sure action B existed back then 13:13:05 <Rubidium> even so, lots of grf authors don't use action B 13:13:39 <dihedral> ah 13:13:45 <Ammler> PierreW: show us a screen of your grf list with the details of dbset... 13:14:29 <petern> bah, i left my railtype conversion patch at home :o 13:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> PierreW: the most common reason is loading it in arctic or tropic is disabled 13:14:42 <TrueBrain> petern: and no remote login? :( 13:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: write it again 13:14:42 <Rubidium> petern: what? the snow is gone? 13:14:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the third time is usually better anyway ;) 13:14:55 <petern> TrueBrain: machine is off, so no 13:14:58 <PierreW> ah i already found it, thank you 13:15:00 <petern> Rubidium: er, yeah 13:15:03 <PierreW> took wrong version 13:15:05 <TrueBrain> petern: WoL ;) 13:15:44 <petern> anyway, it needs review, cos it uses SlWriteByte/SlReadByte 13:15:52 <petern> like in cheat_sl.cpp 13:15:53 <Eddi|zuHause> for WoL, you need an active router that you can log in to from the outside? 13:16:04 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: very true :) 13:16:14 <TrueBrain> (or an other machine within the same network ;)) 13:16:21 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: does WoWL exist? 13:16:43 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: lol .. invent it ;) 13:17:04 <Rubidium> s/invent/patent/ <- use the right wording ;) 13:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> is that like PoWL? 13:17:11 <petern> arrr, my laptop is ssh'd in 13:17:22 <petern> can't do anything with that though :o 13:17:43 <TrueBrain> so you left your laptop on at home? :) 13:17:51 <petern> apparently 13:18:04 <petern> overnight, in fact 13:18:08 <Eddi|zuHause> wait, you cannot capture ssh connections from the outside? :p 13:18:13 <TrueBrain> lol, somehow I always read that how the girl in Coupling says that ;) 13:18:26 <petern> who what? 13:19:45 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:50 *** Osai^zZz is now known as Osai 13:20:03 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:20:11 *** Lisby^^ [~Lisby@nat-adm.tnb.aau.dk] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:25:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i have never watched coupling. i have no idea what you are trying to say with that 13:27:09 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 13:27:18 <Forked> haha 13:27:23 <Forked> Eddi: susan :D 13:28:28 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: you should watch it :) There is no way I can express it in words :) 13:29:30 <Forked> the pause that got out of control.. 13:29:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Forked totally reminds me of Samantha Who, where she has amnesia, and when her parents tell her something from the past, they repeat it again more slowly, because she doesn't get it. 13:30:03 * Forked doesn't get it :\ 13:30:09 <TrueBrain> me neither 13:30:10 <TrueBrain> :p 13:30:12 <Forked> anyway, I mixed up the nicks.. the Susan line was ment for TB :) 13:30:35 <TrueBrain> glad you watch it Forked ;) 13:30:42 * welshdragon wants to try upgrading the shared infrastructure patch 13:31:02 <welshdragon> but a;as i don't know any programming languages 13:31:09 <welshdragon> *alas 13:31:17 <TrueBrain> so that is going to be very very hard I guess 13:31:50 * Swallow knows that IS is being upgraded at this very moment 13:32:09 <Forked> TrueBrain: we've seen it all.. and I gave the complete dvd set to my mom for xmas :) 13:32:26 <TrueBrain> Forked: haha :) Only the last season is bad .. the rest is brilliant :) 13:32:29 <welshdragon> aah Swallow, thank you! 13:32:33 <dihedral> welshdragon, start with learning c# 13:32:34 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:32:34 <Forked> TB: it's a show that needs Jeff. 13:32:35 <dihedral> :-D 13:32:41 <TrueBrain> Forked: very much :) 13:32:49 <Forked> well "he" is in the last episode, but.. 13:32:51 <welshdragon> now we just need a server to play it on (once it is upgraded) 13:33:02 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:43 <dihedral> welshdragon, i would not be surprised of openttdcoop would host a game on it's dev server ;-) 13:33:51 <planetmaker> me neither :) 13:34:12 <planetmaker> but as so often: when it's done ;) 13:34:13 <Eddi|zuHause> brb (i hope) 13:34:26 <planetmaker> or at least in state to be tested 13:34:30 <dihedral> :-) 13:34:31 <dihedral> aye 13:34:36 <dihedral> talking of IS 13:34:43 <dihedral> ... 13:34:46 <dihedral> + cargodest? 13:34:51 <Ammler> wwottdgd/3 13:34:53 <dihedral> aye 13:34:58 <dihedral> Aali has a patch :-) 13:35:27 <planetmaker> yep. It's published in the IS thread even. 13:35:27 <dihedral> should already have the new company and client handling + move and rename patch ;-) 13:35:35 <planetmaker> yep 13:35:37 <dihedral> noice 13:35:37 <planetmaker> afaik 13:36:00 <dihedral> what else could be useful for wwottdgd? 13:36:07 <dihedral> it's all in trunk soon :-D 13:36:08 <Roest> is he just merging with current trunk or also bugfixing? 13:36:11 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B77DF5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:11 <planetmaker> wwottdgd/3 just needs a person taking care of / taking charge. Not me this time :) 13:36:20 <dihedral> hehe 13:36:25 <dihedral> dont blame you 13:36:26 <planetmaker> well. Both, sort of, Roest 13:36:27 <Ammler> oh :-( 13:36:38 <dihedral> planetmaker, it needs more than one person ;-) 13:36:49 <planetmaker> Too much to do, ammler :) 13:36:54 <Aali> Roest: I take care of any game-breaking issues 13:36:54 <dihedral> aye 13:36:54 <welshdragon> hmm? 13:37:00 <Ammler> well, beside the patch, a nice scenario is also quite important 13:37:05 <planetmaker> dihedral: sure it does. But one person taking the lead 13:37:15 <dihedral> yeah - as always 13:37:17 <dihedral> :-P 13:37:19 <welshdragon> what is wwottdgd? 13:37:20 <planetmaker> :P 13:37:25 <dihedral> world wide openttd game day 13:37:36 <welshdragon> when is it? 13:37:43 <planetmaker> that's the question :) 13:37:56 <Ammler> somewhen this year. 13:37:57 <welshdragon> hmm, i can help 13:38:09 <welshdragon> Ammler: *sometime 13:38:18 <welshdragon> somewhen diesn't exist 13:38:19 <dihedral> welshdragon, what you want to do? 13:38:30 <dihedral> welshdragon, it does 13:38:40 <dihedral> in our hearts it does 13:38:41 <welshdragon> dihedral: in german english yes 13:38:51 <welshdragon> but not in ours 13:39:10 <dihedral> "i have no problems, only the others do" 13:39:26 <Ammler> doesn't matter, just let it happen some... 13:39:31 <dihedral> time 13:39:56 <Roest> welshdragon but you understood what he wanted to say 13:40:00 <welshdragon> dihedral: i don't know what i would want to do, is there a list of jobs available? 13:40:15 <welshdragon> Roest: yes, dyslexics use it 13:40:26 <dihedral> welshdragon, "when the moon is in the 7 skies, and jupiter aligns with mars..." 13:40:26 <welshdragon> they have to be corrected 13:40:42 <glx> at least now you can easily have 15 companies ;) 13:40:51 <glx> and 255 clients 13:40:55 <dihedral> glx, and... yes that 13:41:04 <welshdragon> dihedral: ..... nice quote, but not relevant :P 13:41:05 <planetmaker> glx: with 255 clients and 15 companies wwottdgd doesn't need any tweaking in that part anymore :) 13:41:18 <dihedral> planetmaker, + move 13:41:23 <planetmaker> indeed 13:41:32 <dihedral> and yes - i can think of one addition 13:41:44 <Ammler> 555 clients :P 13:41:45 <dihedral> autokick "Player" and "force join as spec" 13:41:56 <dihedral> Ammler, we never even hit 55 13:41:59 <planetmaker> :) well... 13:42:03 <Ammler> lol 13:42:10 <welshdragon> dihedral: do you need somebody to be a moderator? 13:42:17 <dihedral> i like the thought of stopping "Player" from joining 13:42:42 <Roest> welshdragon you just got the job of the player renamer 13:42:43 <dihedral> Ammler, planetmaker: what about only chosing grf's from bananas? :-) 13:42:52 <planetmaker> dihedral: I rather would like them only joining spectator. Gives them the chance to change ingame and then join 13:43:00 <welshdragon> Roest: and kicker? 13:43:01 <dihedral> Roest, is possible, is a console command 13:43:05 <planetmaker> dihedral: an idea. Not difficult 13:43:24 <Ammler> dihedral: push MB and OzTransLtd to upload 13:43:31 <Roest> nah kicker is too much authority, you have to earn that first 13:43:38 <dihedral> Ammler, no - no pushing 13:43:42 <dihedral> pushing is never nice 13:43:49 <dihedral> ;-) 13:44:09 <dihedral> Roest, kicker remains mine :-P 13:44:12 <dihedral> or automated 13:44:36 *** M4rk [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 13:44:41 *** M4rk is now known as Mark_ 13:44:42 <Ammler> but it should be possible to make a scenario with just bananas, there is much time until then... ;-) 13:44:46 <dihedral> we could check if that skilled scn creator would make a map for us 13:44:48 <Roest> i'd make a list of like 100 degrading names and randomly assign them to people with player as name 13:45:03 <dihedral> Ammler, sure there is time - no date has been set :-) 13:45:13 <Ammler> or maybe wwottdgW instead D 13:45:17 <dihedral> Roest, yes, i did that once 13:45:21 <dihedral> but they never get the same name 13:45:33 <dihedral> each time they join it was a different name, even if it was the same person 13:45:36 <planetmaker> well. there's everything we need on Bananas: train sets, house sets, planes,... 13:45:41 <dihedral> which is kinda daft 13:45:43 <planetmaker> and special grfs can be uploaded, too 13:46:03 <Ammler> planetmaker: which houses set? 13:46:08 <Roest> hmm so the client needs to be the same version as the server and it needs to write their config 13:46:29 <dihedral> Ammler, and then after calling the event Game Day, and run it for a week, openttdcoop continues to announce each new PublicSercer Game in the forum thread of the Game Day 13:46:58 <dihedral> Roest, based on the same revision ;-) 13:47:07 <planetmaker> Ammler: sorry... the urban... was the monorail - not houses :P 13:47:13 <dihedral> :-D 13:47:40 <planetmaker> dihedral: not at all. A new thread for every game at least 13:47:45 <Ammler> the suburbanset ist just something like a orientation fix for default houses 13:48:02 <Ammler> no new houses, iirc 13:48:26 <dihedral> well, i gues one could kindly point bananas out to some grf authors 13:48:33 <Ammler> but at the end, we could also live with them. 13:48:45 <dihedral> and let them know we'd use their grf if it were on bananas for the event, but not if it's not there 13:49:19 <Rubidium> so you're possibly going to mix several house grfs? 13:49:32 <dihedral> no 13:49:34 <Ammler> Rubidium: we mostly do that already 13:49:39 <dihedral> yes? 13:49:41 <dihedral> oh 13:49:46 <dihedral> i never do anything with grf's 13:49:47 <Ammler> works fine, imo. 13:50:16 <planetmaker> I never had issues with different house grfs... 13:50:49 * dihedral would like to apply one of those to the house he lives in 13:51:47 <TrueBrain> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/02/10/2211220&from=rss <- you got to love it :) 13:52:11 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 13:53:20 * TrueBrain hits Conditional Zenith with a big solid wall of bricks 13:55:53 <Ammler> there are still some ideas for wwottdgd-patches/hacks like different climates, region-based newgrfs... 13:56:45 <Rubidium> Ammler: different climates is going to be hard to do properly 13:57:01 <Ammler> that is why I added "hacks" to my line :-) 13:57:36 <Ammler> wwottdgd has also space for "never-trunk" patches 13:57:36 <Rubidium> I dislike such hacks, cause people start whining why it isn't in trunk yet (almost) every day 13:57:42 <planetmaker> let's wait for the regions patch ;) 13:58:06 <planetmaker> I recently read somewhere some rumbles about it :) 13:58:21 <Ammler> a SmatZyPatchy? 13:58:26 <planetmaker> not afaik 13:58:42 <planetmaker> yexi-patchy 13:59:28 <Rubidium> doubtfull 13:59:32 <Ammler> well, if you have region based newgrfs, you can "simulate" different climates 13:59:36 <planetmaker> :) Rumblings ;) 14:00:43 <planetmaker> Well... :) Actually there's so many new things recently - they need decent exploit 14:01:21 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:01:33 <Rubidium> planetmaker: Hebrew town names? 14:01:44 <planetmaker> working on it :) 14:02:11 <planetmaker> but I guess no real news on that prior to the weekend. 14:02:25 <planetmaker> it's uncharted territory for me after all 14:03:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: it's for basically everyone 14:03:23 <planetmaker> Well, yes :) 14:03:35 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:42 <planetmaker> Just explaining my slowly-ness :) 14:03:58 <dihedral> Rubidium, we had a wwottdgd event where things were even hardcoded to match the scn we were running :-P 14:03:59 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 14:04:06 <planetmaker> it's a bit trial and error approach :P 14:04:09 <dihedral> it's ucky, but was a very nice effect for that game 14:05:59 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85f674.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #openttd 14:06:04 <Roujin> TrueBrain: awesome! 14:06:08 <Roujin> thanks for that link 14:07:04 <dihedral> smallfly, you want to contribute to OpenTTD and code in c# ? 14:07:14 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=764023#p764023 14:07:19 <dihedral> then that is for you :) 14:07:37 <Rubidium> rimbl ;) 14:07:44 <dihedral> ^^ 14:08:09 <Ammler> http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Temperate-snow-desert.png 14:08:32 <dihedral> http://www.google.de/search?q=rimbl 14:08:34 <dihedral> :-D 14:08:51 <dihedral> Ammler, yeah - that was quite neat ;-) 14:09:03 <dihedral> thou having transition tiles would have rocked even more 14:09:11 <Ammler> well, iirc, we didn't use it finally 14:09:34 <Ammler> because the industries in the desert had snow. 14:09:42 <dihedral> :-D 14:09:52 <dihedral> and we were not able to replace those tiles 14:11:48 *** Hirundo [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 14:15:16 *** Roujin [~chatzilla@mnch-5d85f674.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 14:15:24 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has joined #openttd 14:17:33 <planetmaker> that was a TB hack, right? 14:17:50 <Aali> station_cmd.cpp, line 954; a very dead link to sourceforge 14:18:17 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:18:27 *** Hirundo is now known as Swallow 14:18:32 <Belugas> [05:42] <@petern> i had coffee at the time <---- WHAAAAAAAT?????? 14:19:40 <dihedral> hello Belugas 14:19:55 <smallfly> cya 14:19:56 <planetmaker> hi Belugas. I hope for p3tern that you and him are in different time zones... 14:20:15 <Belugas> we definitively are 14:20:21 *** smallfly [~smallfly@p578F1B65.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 14:20:25 <Belugas> hello to those who waved hello to me 14:22:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:10 <dihedral> :-) 14:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> something is not right... 14:24:23 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B75C0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:35 * dihedral says thanks, to everybody he said "hello" to, for thanking him 14:26:55 <Belugas> dihedral : http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=41816 : he is about to code it. He's seeking for advices on how to 14:27:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7733F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:29:09 <dihedral> oh 14:31:20 <Belugas> indeed ;) 14:31:26 <Belugas> "So I am not sure where this code is. Which files would I look in?" 14:31:26 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:26 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:47 *** Zealotus [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 14:31:49 *** Fuco [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 14:34:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7733F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35:07 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7733F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:35:17 *** Timitry [83dc24f1@webchat.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 14:38:02 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.219.211] has quit [Quit: Sacro] 14:39:21 <dihedral> i misread him Belugas ;-) 14:39:27 <dihedral> i also removed my reply 14:40:14 <dihedral> sounded more like a 'this would be a great idea and would like to see someone do it for me' thing to me 14:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "Uhr: 310MHz" <- which idiot translated this thing? 14:41:32 <Roest> tsts idiot seems to be used lightly around here 14:42:31 <planetmaker> lool @ Eddi|zuHause 14:43:06 <welshdragon> grr 14:43:17 <planetmaker> Roest: given the context posted it indeed needs a different word... 14:43:21 * welshdragon is playing on Brianetta's Standard Server 14:43:44 <Tefad> historically idiot means someone with profound mental retardation 14:43:48 <welshdragon> but i'm having to tunnel under my competitor's tracks 14:43:56 <welshdragon> and i don't have enough money 14:44:01 <dihedral> Tefad, thankfully we live in different times 14:44:02 <planetmaker> "Takt" or something 14:44:33 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, which window is that in? 14:44:38 <Tefad> dihedral: yeah now we just call people retards instead as idiot lost its 'value' 14:44:46 <dihedral> :-D 14:44:53 * dihedral would not call anybody that name 14:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> the AMD Catalyst Control Center Linux Edition (or so) 14:45:05 <dihedral> ah 14:45:09 <dihedral> LOL 14:45:21 <dihedral> that is awesome 14:45:24 <planetmaker> maybe they lost market share as people thought they sell clocks? 14:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> strangely, in the same dialog a few lines below they use "Taktfrequenz" 14:46:21 * dihedral wonders if casio digital watches say "Takt" :-P 14:47:39 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179094049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 14:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> why would anyone translate "watch" with "Takt"? 14:50:39 <dihedral> why would anybody translate "timing" with "uhr" 14:50:49 <dihedral> or "clock speed" 14:50:50 <planetmaker> dihedral: the English word is "clock" 14:50:51 <petern> what does 'uhr' mean? 14:50:52 <dihedral> or "clock" 14:50:59 <planetmaker> petern: clock 14:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "clock" DOES mean "Uhr" 14:51:04 <planetmaker> or watch 14:51:06 <planetmaker> whatever. 14:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause> just it's the wrong context 14:51:18 <planetmaker> time showing device ;) 14:51:21 <petern> ah, literal translation 14:51:24 <planetmaker> yep 14:51:25 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, i makes no sense for the catalyst to use the word with that meaning at all 14:51:46 <dihedral> and people who work there should know that :-P 14:51:55 <petern> maybe the translator was just given "Clock:" to work with, no other context? heh 14:51:55 <dihedral> and at least look at their work before publishing it 14:52:06 <dihedral> petern, probably 14:52:09 <Eddi|zuHause> well, it does, if they pushed it through $generic_automatted_translation_service 14:52:11 <dihedral> probably outsourced too 14:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and not proofread it properly 14:52:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, outsourcing german translation to india, great idea ;) 14:52:36 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:52:42 <dihedral> out translators have to look through the entire web interface after translating 14:52:50 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, hihi 14:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause> translation without context is bound to be a bad idea 15:00:03 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has joined #openttd 15:01:38 <Belugas> i'm very surprised by how willing to help people are toward Morgsie 15:03:15 <dihedral> ? 15:03:51 <davis_> >:O 15:04:26 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 15:05:06 <dihedral> Belugas - stupid questions and kind replies? is that what you mean? 15:05:52 <Belugas> I WOULD NOT SAY STUPID QUESTIONS ACTUALLY 15:05:55 <Belugas> OUPS.. 15:06:04 <Belugas> i would not say... 15:06:27 <Belugas> kind replies do indeed fascinate me, since they are patient and numerous 15:06:58 <dihedral> it depends how people ask, and what the discussions background is i'd guess 15:07:07 <dihedral> how people show themselves 15:07:13 <dihedral> (the ones asking the q) 15:08:06 *** George [~George@212.113.107.216] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:08:09 <petern> who is morgsie? 15:09:06 <Belugas> no clue, a simple user from the forums 15:09:14 <Belugas> just keep on asking questions 15:09:51 <petern> ah, forums 15:15:38 <dihedral> :-P 15:16:42 <dihedral> petern, you could pick a few people out at make the a 'welcoming' team for new players :-P 15:16:51 <dihedral> that would raise the image of the forums :-D 15:17:04 <dihedral> well - to new people at least, not to us here :-P 15:18:44 <Roest> even though you're being sarcastic that wouldn't be too bad, the current "mood" on the forum isn't too friendly to noobs 15:18:58 <dihedral> i was not being sarcastic Roest 15:19:14 <dihedral> i meant that seriously 15:19:58 <dihedral> if someone people took the time to point people to the duplicate posts instead of (only) telling them to search 15:20:04 <dihedral> or ind the correct pages on the wiki 15:20:11 <dihedral> *find 15:22:35 <Forked> mmm.. cargodest+IS .. mmmmmmm 15:23:48 <dihedral> mmmmmwhat? 15:26:26 <Ammler> did something recently change chat text color? 15:26:41 <Eddi|zuHause> someone else asked that a few days ago 15:26:54 <Ammler> got he an answer? :-) 15:27:07 <Aali> there was some kind of bug related to that 15:27:14 <Aali> but it should be fixed now 15:27:27 <Ammler> now like after current nightly? 15:29:34 <Aali> @commit 15444 15:29:35 <DorpsGek> Aali: Commit by rubidium :: r15444 /trunk/src/lang (42 files) (2009-02-11 01:46:09 UTC) 15:29:36 <DorpsGek> Aali: -Fix (r15425): the chat messages gone gray. That gray colour was technically right. The string contained {GRAY}, but due to a latent bug (accidentally fixed in r15425) in the string drawing routing the gray would be interpreted as use palette colour 14, which is a white. 15:31:30 <Eddi|zuHause> "accidentally fixed"... lmao :p 15:33:08 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FA31.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:33:36 <petern> Eddi|zuHause has no arse? 15:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i learned how to put it back on 15:34:15 <petern> well that's convenient 15:34:21 <petern> DIAL.REVENGE 15:34:58 <Belugas> nope.. Yuo Don't know Jesus :) 15:35:25 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:01 <planetmaker> just join #hell ;) 15:36:42 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... since i installed the new ATI driver, wine does not start any games anymore... 15:36:54 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 15:42:51 *** PatCD [~chatzilla@ip565e965c.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #openttd 15:43:55 *** Wasila[ODN] [~raphael23@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #openttd 15:44:18 *** Wasila[ODN] [~raphael23@81-178-69-164.dsl.pipex.com] has quit [] 15:45:54 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, bummer 15:46:05 <dihedral> :-P 15:49:30 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:23 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 15:52:06 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad1d1bc.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:33 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc5.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:53:18 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: much easier to keep a tiny win partition for that :-) 15:54:07 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 15:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: and reboot? no, thanks 15:57:11 <Ammler> did those games really run proper before? 15:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> well, for certain definitions of "proper"... yes 15:57:35 <Eddi|zuHause> they ran, and were playable 15:57:42 <Eddi|zuHause> only had a few glitches here and there 16:00:36 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cc5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:00:59 *** bleepy [bleepy@5ad87cd2.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 16:03:19 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:36 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 16:06:31 *** Splex [~splex@121.165.245.9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:07 <Belugas> so... less games and more time to work your thesis, Eddi|zuHause ? 16:07:08 <Belugas> hehe 16:08:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7733F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B7733F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:17:46 *** Zahl_ [~Zahl@g229218254.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 16:19:14 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 16:21:42 *** PatCD [~chatzilla@ip565e965c.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 16:25:06 *** Zahl [~Zahl@e179094049.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:06 *** [sleep]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:06 *** Combuster is now known as [sleep]buster 16:25:06 *** Zahl_ is now known as Zahl 17:16:49 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 17:25:17 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:36 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 17:25:52 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:30:47 <Belugas> the magic Ctrl key :) 17:36:47 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has joined #openttd 17:37:35 *** mikl [~mikl@90.184.195.93] has quit [] 17:42:25 <rebry> you need fulload if you are transporting gods ;) 17:44:24 *** rebry [~rebry@205.80-202-209.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: Gah.. error on computer] 17:44:49 <SpComb> multitheism 17:46:06 <frosch123> polytheism 17:46:17 <frosch123> never played civilisation? 17:46:25 <SpComb> nope 17:46:34 <frosch123> never learned greek? 17:46:53 <frosch123> you are doomed :p 17:47:54 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 17:48:00 *** rebry [~rebry@205.80-202-209.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 17:48:02 <Rubidium> frosch123: in Finland it's called multigamy and multimorpism ;) 17:48:17 <SpComb> rather 17:53:28 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 17:53:29 <fjb> multigamy? Is that when you play other games beside OpenTTD? 17:55:13 <frosch123> sounds like felony. what is the usual punishment for that? 17:55:42 <Ammler> how is mixing video/openttd called? 17:55:54 <Ammler> or TV/openttd 17:57:15 <Rubidium> Ammler: stupid 17:58:09 <Ammler> sometimes just watching openttd is nice enough :P 18:00:44 <fjb> Hm, being forced to watch the old ai all day long should be enough punishment. 18:01:31 <petern> RAAR 18:02:04 <goodger> meep 18:03:14 <Ammler> hehe, there should be a noai-AI (how are they called, btw.?) which simulates the old ai ;-) 18:03:49 <|Jeroen|> nah tha old ai is a pain in the arse 18:03:56 <goodger> I support this idea 18:03:57 <|Jeroen|> a real good ai would be nice 18:04:16 <petern> really 18:04:21 <petern> not real 18:04:30 <goodger> we could call it the HBOS AI 18:04:52 *** sigmund_ [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has joined #openttd 18:04:55 <Roest> actually i never understood the need for an AI in ttd 18:04:58 <goodger> it is programmed to do whatever is worse for itself and for the world in general 18:05:30 <goodger> other names could include the Brown AI, the Blair AI, or the Bush AI 18:05:51 <petern> Stupid One-Eyed Scotsman AI 18:05:58 <petern> DubyAI 18:06:06 <petern> Hmm 18:06:38 * petern goes back in time by putting Exquinoxe on 18:06:42 *** sigmund [~sigmund@91.80-202-245.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:06:55 <Ammler> Roest: managing MP companies with no players 18:07:43 <|Jeroen|> better leave the bush one out, it would only blow itself up 18:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> STR_CONTENT_DETAIL_UPDATE :{SILVER}Das ist ein Ersatz fÃŒr ein existiernde/s {STRING} <- what happened to genders? 18:08:32 <el_en> existiernde per second 18:08:57 <petern> heh 18:10:11 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.18.131] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:36 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, chu is the bad translatore of that one ;-) 18:10:50 <dihedral> r15197 18:10:55 <Belugas> Suite madame BLUUUUUUE 18:11:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm preparing a patch, posting it in the forum thread in a bit 18:11:10 <Belugas> gazing in yoyr looking glaaaaaas 18:11:22 <Belugas> you're not a child anymooooooooooooooooooooooore 18:11:30 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:11:54 *** DaleStan [~Dale@pool-71-98-104-215.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15448 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_gui.cpp toolbar_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Don't show rail types in selection drop downs if they have no label. 18:26:16 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:18 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:27:25 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:31:51 *** Swallow [~chatzilla@5355F5FD.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.6/2009011913]] 18:33:34 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:33:47 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: icebears... take care of them!] 18:34:02 *** tokai [~tokai@p54B80F48.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:34:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:34:40 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@94-224-31-113.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 18:35:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15449 /trunk/src/ (command_type.h town_cmd.cpp): -Codechange: Rename DC_NO_TOWN_RATING to DC_NO_TEST_TOWN_RATING as that is what it does. 18:36:02 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 18:38:36 *** xahodo [~xahodo@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: Goodbye.] 18:39:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r15450 /trunk/src/rail_type.h: -Codechange: Remove unused RailTypesByte, unused RAILTYPES_... enum values, and change INVALID_RAILTYPES to be UINT_MAX. 18:41:29 <Belugas> whoooooooo 18:41:46 <Belugas> "trunk is sterile" 18:41:48 <Lakie> Hmm? 18:41:54 <Belugas> buwhhahahahaha 18:41:58 <Lakie> sterile? 18:42:08 <Belugas> hello mister Nathaniel 18:42:14 <Belugas> yeah, someone said that once 18:42:26 <Belugas> U something Pator 18:42:52 <Lakie> Ah, him# 18:42:59 <Lakie> Hello J-F. 18:43:04 <fjb> Boiled trunk? 18:43:05 *** Sacro [~ben@adsl-87-102-39-137.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 18:43:28 <Belugas> yeah.. Him :) 18:43:37 <Lakie> I don't think the trunk would boil all that well? 18:43:52 <fjb> Hot bits. 18:43:59 <Belugas> by the way, Lakie, are you ok with the addition of those climate numbers i've told you yesterday in the specs? 18:44:23 <Belugas> not that i would add them right away, but i am more concerned about putting them in trunk 18:44:27 <Lakie> Well, I don't plan on adding generating custom objects ingame... 18:44:57 <Lakie> (Mainly because I'm too lazy to find the path way and work out how it works when I've got loads of work to do for my course)... 18:45:08 <Belugas> ok :) 18:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you better sterilise your trunk after you carried away a body in it 18:45:29 <Lakie> For the original types I can't see any issues for OpenTTD. 18:45:48 *** Chrill [~chrischri@80.216.48.180] has joined #openttd 18:47:24 <Lakie> Will these be usable in the grf code or special cases? 18:48:42 <petern> here we go... http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/railtypemap.diff 18:49:03 <petern> the printf could become a gamelog entry, perhaps 18:50:47 <Belugas> no special case, that's the idea 18:51:15 <Belugas> use them through the same path ways 18:51:19 * petern ponders committing Eddi|zuHause's patch 18:51:25 <petern> i assume Eddi|zuHause knows german well ;) 18:51:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r15451 /trunk/src/lang/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:51:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-11 18:46:59 18:51:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: afrikaans - 5 fixed, 9 changed by Ludslad (14) 18:51:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 7 changed by planetmaker (1), eddi (6) 18:51:31 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: hungarian - 5 fixed by alyr (5) 18:51:33 <Rubidium> petern: keep pondering ;) 18:51:33 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: indonesian - 17 fixed, 2 changed by rindu (2), fanioz (1), adjayanto (16) 18:51:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: persian - 11 fixed, 31 changed by ali sattari (42) 18:51:42 <petern> too late? 18:52:43 <Rubidium> yup 18:53:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15452 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: Add DC_NO_MODIFY_TOWN_RATING. 18:54:23 * petern ponders reverting it and reapplying it :p 18:54:48 <Roest> lots of pondering going on here 18:54:54 <Eddi|zuHause> commitwars! :p 18:54:55 * petern ponders banning Roest 18:54:57 <frosch123> petern: I just did that, in one commit :p 18:55:15 * Roest ponders being quiet 18:55:33 * SpComb ponders writing some code 18:55:39 <Alberth> Roest: these are dangerous times, apparently 18:55:49 <Roest> indeed 18:55:58 * petern ponders banning *!*@* 18:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> after all these years of pondering, i have still no proper translation of pondering ;) 18:56:20 <Alberth> that would ban yourself too 18:56:44 <Eddi|zuHause> on another (german) channel i once banned *.t-dialin.net 18:57:06 <glx> lol 18:57:13 <Roest> :/ 18:57:24 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause: Contemplating. 18:57:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: not a typical german word either ;) 18:58:07 <petern> ponder stibbons 18:58:24 <Rubidium> petern: doesn't look wrong to me 18:58:30 <Prof_Frink> Kontemmplatz. 18:58:34 <Roest> out of cheese error 18:58:40 <frosch123> [19:58] <petern> ponder stibbons <- is not translated either 18:58:41 <Prof_Frink> melon melon melon 18:59:03 <SpComb> return -ENOCHEESE 18:59:31 <Eddi|zuHause> "Melone" has a double meaning in german, but none of them appear to be related to pondering 19:00:42 <petern> thinking? 19:00:46 <petern> considers? 19:03:49 <Belugas> evaluating the possibilities? 19:04:18 <Eddi|zuHause> sure, that is the meaning, but there is no proper translation 19:05:10 <frosch123> "erwÀgen" 19:06:32 <michi_cc> grÃŒbeln? 19:08:06 <fjb> leo.org says erwÀgen, abwÀgen 19:08:35 <fjb> http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed§Hdr=on&spellToler=on&chinese=both&pinyin=diacritic&search=ponder&relink=on 19:08:53 <Belugas> ashtraff? 19:11:17 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has quit [Quit: ecke] 19:11:40 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:11:48 <Wolf01> hello! 19:12:43 <Wolf01> OTTD compiled succesfully, I should try to compile something for mobile now 19:17:36 <el_en> is there something wrong with audio in all versions of s05e04? 19:20:07 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 19:20:24 *** Mortal is now known as Guest900 19:20:24 *** mortal` is now known as Mortal 19:27:00 *** Guest900 [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:34:46 *** TinoM [~Tino@i59F5FA31.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:35:35 <petern> how does this gamelog thing work? 19:36:51 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: still with the 1 week late thing? 19:38:06 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: i know that in my version there was a bit missing from a scene in the middle 19:38:38 <Lakie> I'd say go for it Belugas, though I'm not all that sure about placement of custom objects (considering they are like industries). 19:43:08 *** Combuster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 19:43:08 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:13 *** Combuster is now known as [com]buster 19:47:42 <Belugas> true oh so true 19:48:24 <Belugas> by the way, Lakie, when we're talking about dimensions, we're really talkig about squares, aren't we? 19:48:31 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:37 <Belugas> lie 15x15 and not 15X2 or sormthing 19:48:39 <Belugas> or do we? 19:48:45 <Lakie> Rectangles yes. 19:49:02 <Lakie> I don't think we ever worked out a method for 'irregular' shapes like that. 19:49:08 <Lakie> Well, like an L or something 19:49:13 <Belugas> ok 19:49:27 <frosch123> 15x2 is a rectangle, isn't it? 19:49:38 <Belugas> but a 15x2 is possible, as well as 1X15 and all 19:50:05 <Lakie> Yup 19:50:28 <Lakie> As I said, rectangles from 1x1 upto 15x15 are supported. 19:50:53 <Lakie> (Though I never tested nything as large as 15x15 as it seemed rather large on a 256x256 map 19:52:32 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 19:52:57 *** Zorn [~zorn@g224108110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 19:53:04 *** Zorn [~zorn@g224108110.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [] 19:53:38 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:44 *** Phoenix_the_II [ralph@home.deboom.biz] has joined #openttd 19:54:16 <petern> # detachable penis 19:55:45 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks for the image 19:55:50 <Belugas> big 19:55:50 <Belugas> big 19:55:51 <Belugas> big 19:55:51 <Belugas> big 19:55:52 <Belugas> big 19:55:53 <Belugas> big 19:55:58 <petern> the bulge in my 19:56:35 <Belugas> BIG TIME! 19:56:43 <frosch123> mein teil 19:59:02 <Rubidium> petern: just summon SmatZ and maybe he'll even write the few lines needed for you 20:00:30 *** Zorni [~zorn@e177224195.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:21 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has left #openttd [] 20:11:05 <Darkvater> petern: what is this language! 20:11:12 <Darkvater> there are children present for god's sake 20:11:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r15453 /trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2450](r14613): Founding industries as OWNER_TOWN resulted in unwanted effects. 20:12:34 <petern> what? 20:14:03 <De_Ghosty> children where? 20:14:25 <Eddi|zuHause> goodger is a child 20:14:30 <De_Ghosty> really? 20:14:30 <Darkvater> your physical appearance does not make you a grown-up 20:14:40 <De_Ghosty> i though all the children play coutner strike or sumthing 20:14:42 <Eddi|zuHause> he admitted that himself :p 20:14:54 <Darkvater> that's a cute picture: http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/schule.jpg 20:15:10 <De_Ghosty> lol nice 20:15:22 *** energetic [~opera@ip82-139-119-221.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:23 <Darkvater> is that from eh... simutrans? 20:15:28 <petern> yes 20:15:44 <petern> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=760561#p760561 20:15:51 <Darkvater> raven's work? 20:16:00 <petern> it is one from there, scaled down to 64 pixel tiles instead of 96. 20:16:08 <Darkvater> that guy's an awesome artist :) 20:16:30 <petern> yeah 20:17:07 <Darkvater> I want to marry him :P 20:17:14 <petern> SmatZ! SmatZ! SmatZ! 20:17:15 <Darkvater> then I'll steal all his artwork 20:17:30 <petern> it seems he doesn't want to make a 64 pixel set for ottd though ;( 20:17:40 <goodger> Eddi|zuHause: I was told that my love of cola made me seem like a kid. I said that in some territories I was legally a minor, which is true 20:17:44 <goodger> I am by no means a child 20:18:02 <petern> wrong 20:18:07 <petern> anyone younger than me is a child 20:18:09 <Sacro> is that habbo land? 20:18:21 <goodger> Sacro: no, the united states 20:18:24 <goodger> and others, I presume 20:18:32 <Sacro> anyone older than me is a pensioner 20:18:36 <Darkvater> petern: that's too bad :( 20:18:48 <Sacro> petern: is your wife younger than you? 20:18:54 <goodger> :D 20:19:12 <Darkvater> about 6 months ago I wrote a decompressor for simutrans pak files... so I can bask in the glory of all the beautiful artwork :) 20:19:16 <Belugas> waht is best? a child stuck in an adult body OR an adult stuck in a child's body? 20:19:22 <Belugas> har har har 20:19:25 <Darkvater> the second 20:19:30 <Sacro> Belugas: both sound like paedophilia 20:19:35 <FauxFaux> Depends if I'm the adult. 20:19:46 <Darkvater> oh god, I could cuddle up to hot chicks and they'll all think I'm just being cute 20:19:50 <petern> Sacro, i'm not married... 20:19:56 <Sacro> I thought you were 20:20:11 <Darkvater> child stuck in adult body = retard 20:20:18 <De_Ghosty> lol 20:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause> <Darkvater> that's a cute picture: http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/schule.jpg <- these school buildings are literally all over the country around here 20:20:56 <frosch123> [21:20] <Darkvater> child stuck in adult body = retard <- rather pregnant 20:21:04 <Darkvater> lol frosch123 20:21:40 <Ammler> About page needs some updates: http://wiki.openttd.org/wiki/index.php?title=Website%2FAbout&diff=30911&oldid=29091 ;-) 20:21:41 <petern> Darkvater: yeah, too bad... so we'll just have to do it ourselves ;) 20:21:58 <goodger> heh 20:21:59 <Darkvater> the chicks part or the graphics part? 20:22:12 <petern> ... 20:22:18 <petern> graphics 20:23:05 <Darkvater> oh 20:23:26 <Darkvater> http://www.simutrans-forum.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7710%22%20target=%22_blank << does simutrans have cliffs? 20:23:51 <petern> apparently it does 20:24:04 <Darkvater> thank you mr obvious ;) 20:24:07 <petern> yeah, i seem to remember a land editing function in it a long time ago 20:24:17 <petern> back then it just used to crash the game though :) 20:24:30 <petern> it got a bit better when tron started working on it 20:25:22 <Darkvater> tron's been mia for a while. straciatella is pretty much dead and last time I spoke with him he was very very busy with school stuff 20:25:26 * Darkvater isses him :) 20:25:27 <Darkvater> +m 20:25:45 <De_Ghosty> it's all in german 20:25:50 <De_Ghosty> i wanna play simutrans now 20:25:52 <De_Ghosty> :o 20:25:56 <petern> no you don't 20:26:07 <petern> not unless they've got better rail junctions 20:26:08 <De_Ghosty> don't i? 20:26:11 <De_Ghosty> o 20:26:43 <Ammler> does it have rotateable maps? 20:26:45 <Darkvater> last time I tried simutrans it crashed when I shut it down 20:26:51 <Darkvater> and it was an official release 20:26:53 <Darkvater> :( 20:27:35 <Ammler> or how do "they" handle things behind cliffs? 20:28:45 <Darkvater> this comic pak reminds me of that japanese game 20:28:48 <Darkvater> a-train 20:28:50 <Darkvater> or freetrain 20:28:53 <Darkvater> or whatever it's called 20:29:01 <De_Ghosty> when was that? 20:29:03 <glx> a-train IIRC 20:29:17 <glx> but it's not very user friendly ;) 20:29:26 <Darkvater> I haven't said I played it :) 20:29:55 <Darkvater> simutrans isn't user-friendly either..it took me a long, long while to figure out how to build a route 20:30:00 <Darkvater> I don't think I ever did 20:30:59 <goodger> click to start 20:31:02 <goodger> click to end 20:31:08 <goodger> delete improperly placed tiles 20:31:14 <goodger> return to step 1 20:31:17 <De_Ghosty> is there any free bit in current array? 20:31:55 * Darkvater gives ghosty a free bi 20:31:59 <Darkvater> t 20:32:03 <goodger> *snort* 20:32:14 <Darkvater> :O, shiny, simutrans has a new website 20:32:22 <glx> there are free bits, depends for what you need them 20:32:25 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the least free bits are in road tiles and house tiles, the most are in water tiles. 20:35:15 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: the latter is wrong 20:35:24 <Rubidium> MP_VOID has the most free bits 20:35:32 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, right ;) 20:36:02 <Prof_Frink> glx: zeros are free, but ones'll cost ya. 20:36:38 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-514c0e82.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:37:02 <goodger> Prof_Frink: you'll be hearing from Mr Adams' lawyers shortly 20:37:22 <Darkvater> we should use all the free bits of MP_VOID for rails 20:37:26 *** Gekz [~brendan@123-243-206-102.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:38:12 <Prof_Frink> goodger: Lies. 20:39:11 <De_Ghosty> let me rephrase my question 20:39:17 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has joined #openttd 20:39:21 <De_Ghosty> is there any unused bit in current array? 20:39:40 <goodger> Prof_Frink: true. I just wanted to make the point that I had detected your dilbert theft ^_^ 20:40:20 <frosch123> De_Ghosty: docs/landscape.html and docs/landscape_grid.html 20:40:29 <Prof_Frink> It's not theft if you have to be told where you stole it from. 20:40:40 <goodger> *tut* 20:41:10 <Prof_Frink> And even then have to think about it. 20:41:41 <Prof_Frink> To start with "Mr Adams" expanded to Douglas, and I was fairly sure it wasn't an H2G2 thing. 20:43:26 <Ammler> quote from BaNaNaS: "All this content is available via both this webpage, as via the OpenTTD game client." How do I download it over the webpage? 20:43:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r15454 /trunk/src/ (road.cpp road_cmd.cpp town_cmd.cpp): -Fix [FS#2614]: towns did not know about build_on_slopes in some cases, or made decisions on the 'original' slope instead the slope after applying the foundation.. 20:43:46 <Darkvater> Ammler: *magic* 20:44:07 <Darkvater> while we're at it.. 20:44:15 <Rubidium> Ammler: ask TB ;) 20:44:24 <Darkvater> Rubidium: are there plans of putting a link to bananas from openttd.org? I can't seem to locate it 20:44:25 <TrueBrain> I dislike questions 20:44:33 <Darkvater> hi TrueBrain 20:44:39 <TrueBrain> oh no, it is a Darkvater 20:44:43 * TrueBrain starts running 20:45:00 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Umm, you're on a treadmill. 20:45:03 <Darkvater> and that "latest user screenshot of 0.6.3".. what's up with that? 20:45:13 <Darkvater> 1. it's not clickable and 2. it's not even in the screenshots list 20:45:30 <Rubidium> hmm, that's not (yet) fixed? :( 20:45:30 <Darkvater> it seems to have been left over from the template X designed and never finished 20:45:39 <Darkvater> (it's clickable) 20:45:40 <Darkvater> now 20:45:42 * Darkvater hides 20:45:52 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: treadmill? 20:45:54 <Darkvater> but that screenshot doesn't exist 20:46:07 <Darkvater> and also.... while we're at it :) 20:46:17 <Chrill> there are 0.6 screenshots though 20:46:26 <Darkvater> do you mind if I either myself, or through the forum try and find some *real* 0.6 screenshots? 20:46:29 <Eddi|zuHause> last time i checked, that screenshot existed, but from way earlier 20:46:42 <Darkvater> the current ones are not special and not even 0.6 specific 20:46:46 <Rubidium> Darkvater: not at all ;) 20:47:01 <Sacro> Darkvater: might as well make yourself useful 20:47:10 <Darkvater> exactly me point :) 20:47:24 <Belugas> but beware of the wrath of the MB!!! YOU SHALL DEMONSTRATE OPENTTD ONLY FEATURES!!!! 20:47:38 * TrueBrain hugs Darkvater 20:47:38 <dihedral> hehe 20:47:40 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: could we have <prev and next> buttons when you click on a screenshot? 20:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the downscaled screenshots look weird 20:47:42 <frosch123> Darkvater: I guess no one would mind if you take some for 0.7 while bypassing :) 20:47:42 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 20:47:45 <TrueBrain> sorry Darkvater, wrong name :p 20:47:50 * Belugas licks TrueBrain 20:47:55 <Darkvater> it's a pita to browse'em 20:47:57 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: sure .. get a pen and paint them on your screen :) 20:48:00 * goodger kicks Belugas 20:48:07 * TrueBrain purrss 20:48:12 * Darkvater kicks wildly hoping to hit someone in the groin 20:48:21 *** goodger was kicked from #openttd by Belugas [guess what I can REALLY DO?] 20:48:29 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:48:32 <goodger> aww. 20:48:32 <Belugas> ;) 20:48:38 <Darkvater> frosch123: better release 0.7 fast then :) 20:48:46 *** goodger was kicked from #openttd by Darkvater [ok, now me!! yaaay] 20:48:53 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:48:53 <Chrill> lamers :) 20:48:54 * dihedral wonders whe he was highlighted with the kick.... 20:48:56 <Prof_Frink> Double kick! 20:48:56 <goodger> *scoff* 20:49:04 <Darkvater> combo bonus! 20:49:10 <Darkvater> high five Belugas ! 20:49:18 <goodger> hrmph 20:49:24 * dihedral wonders if that 'links' in the social map 20:49:35 <Eddi|zuHause> what's next? Monster kick? Ownage? 20:49:47 <Darkvater> fatality 20:49:54 <TrueBrain> me ... must ... resist ... 20:49:55 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: multikick 20:50:07 <dihedral> http://cod.spieleplanet.eu/images/openttd.png <- Darkvater: welcome to the 'center' of the map :-P 20:50:07 * Darkvater looks the other way for TrueBrain 20:50:11 <Rubidium> moster kick, kick spree? 20:50:16 <Rubidium> *monster 20:50:28 <TrueBrain> poor dihedral 20:50:32 <dihedral> hihi 20:50:40 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: you are right, a <prev and next> would be very useful 20:50:42 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@5ad4623c.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:50:53 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, HEAD SHOT 20:50:58 <Darkvater> dihedral: hehe, it was a whil ago I saw these graphs :) 20:51:02 <Darkvater> pasky used to make'em 20:51:13 <ProfFrink> OK, who instagibbed my internets? 20:51:17 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: yeah 20:51:23 <TrueBrain> ProfFrink: sorry 20:51:32 * Darkvater ponders updating his openttd commit movie 20:51:42 <ProfFrink> TrueBrain: Are you really? 20:51:44 <Eddi|zuHause> could someone recreate some of the thumbnail pictures with anti aliasing? 20:51:52 <TrueBrain> ProfFrink: if you want me too 20:51:53 <Eddi|zuHause> they look really ugly this way 20:52:11 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: very ugly 20:52:23 <Darkvater> Eddi|zuHause: help me find new ones and we'll replace (almost) all of'em 20:52:28 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: so I guess you have something to do ;) 20:52:57 <TrueBrain> I would personally remove all old screenshots ... but that is just me :) 20:53:05 <Rubidium> Darkvater: as long as you keep the photoshopped old PBS screenshot ;) 20:53:13 * Darkvater would kick TrueBrain then 20:53:19 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: you know I like that 20:53:26 <Darkvater> Rubidium: from 0.4? hehe 20:54:04 <Darkvater> I photoshopped most of the screenshots I put up 20:54:06 <Rubidium> http://www.openttd.org/media/images/screens/0.4.7/arctic_scenery.png <- that one 20:54:17 <Darkvater> for better aesthetic impressions 20:54:28 <Darkvater> http://www.openttd.org/media/images/screens/0.4.7/dbset2.png << I thought this one :P 20:54:48 <TrueBrain> bad Darkvater 20:54:51 <TrueBrain> bad bad bad Darkvater 20:54:56 * TrueBrain hugs Belugas 20:55:00 <Darkvater> aww 20:55:02 <Rubidium> oh... you didn't fotosoep that one :( 20:55:04 <Darkvater> Belugas, help me! 20:55:28 <Darkvater> Rubidium: I did, it was from the shared-tracks version 20:55:38 <Darkvater> just didn't see the double-lights on the signals 20:55:58 * Belugas hugs both of you, TrueBrain and Darkvater. and thanks both of you from distracting me fomr my work@work :P 20:56:21 <Darkvater> Darkvater/TrueBrain 1, Belugas 0 20:56:24 <Darkvater> \o/ 20:56:29 <TrueBrain> Belugas: any time :) 20:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> two vs. one... 20:56:37 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: <prev and next> are tricky 20:56:41 <TrueBrain> as it is a 'glob' ... 20:56:52 <Darkvater> hmm 20:56:58 <petern> ah, back when pbs was sucky 20:56:59 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5ad545e5.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:56:59 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 20:57:02 <Darkvater> for the old website I stored all the images in an array 20:57:11 <petern> i'm so glad i made the executive decision to remove that ;) 20:57:14 <TrueBrain> but this is not the old website .. sigh .. :p 20:57:17 <TrueBrain> hehe 20:57:26 <Darkvater> http://www.openttd.org/media/images/screens/0.5.0/winter_fun.png << this one took me at least 3 hours of photoshopping 20:57:37 <Darkvater> petern: I definitely agree 20:58:54 <frosch123> Darkvater: what did you cheat into it? 20:59:05 <Darkvater> into winter-fun? 20:59:12 <frosch123> yup 20:59:25 <Darkvater> small cottages in the mountains, buildings, the train at the station, sparks 20:59:29 <Darkvater> airplane 20:59:31 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: <prev and next> needs some internal rework 20:59:40 <Darkvater> chopper 20:59:48 <TrueBrain> why would you fake all that :( 21:00:01 <Darkvater> and the fores top-left 21:00:08 <Darkvater> cause it makes it look velly cool 21:00:20 <Darkvater> and it's (almost) possible 21:00:40 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: take your time :) 21:00:40 <TrueBrain> hehe 21:00:52 <Darkvater> I must be a sad person 21:00:57 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: you do know the list of web-related additions is .... long :p 21:01:06 <TrueBrain> (the outstanding requests for it :p) 21:01:12 <TrueBrain> and I am still in a fight with LeaseWeb .. 21:01:17 <Darkvater> but there were times where I opened up this image and just looked at it weekly 21:01:24 <Darkvater> for comfort :P 21:01:28 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: that _is_ sad ... 21:01:40 <frosch123> hmm, is someone sad that we do not have rocky land near water anymore? 21:01:48 <Darkvater> hey, don't judge me! 21:01:56 <Roest> frosch123 definitely 21:02:04 <Darkvater> it was the next best thing to being able to play/develop for openttd 21:02:06 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: I never do :p 21:02:15 <TrueBrain> haha :) 21:02:19 <TrueBrain> "afkick methode" :p 21:02:20 <TrueBrain> nice ;) 21:02:23 <Belugas> [16:00] <@Darkvater> I must be a sad person <-- hey... that's MY JOB! Refusing any new features that are pointing to realism! 21:02:48 <Darkvater> I was seriously addicted 21:03:01 <Darkvater> and it's all starting again :) 21:03:04 <Darkvater> I love it 21:03:18 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: got a list somewhere? 21:03:32 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: in my head :p 21:03:36 <TrueBrain> and it hurts :( 21:03:50 <Darkvater> can I see it? 21:03:56 <TrueBrain> my head? 21:03:57 <TrueBrain> sure 21:04:11 <Belugas> yurk.... 21:04:13 * Belugas runs away 21:04:20 * Darkvater grabs belugas 21:04:25 <TrueBrain> http://devs.openttd.org/~truebrain/photo_me/TrueBrain-Climbing4.jpeg 21:04:26 <TrueBrain> there you go 21:04:29 <Belugas> ugly dancing queen's head 21:04:30 * Darkvater tosses belugas back 21:04:49 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: damn you're hot! 21:04:58 <Darkvater> wanna go out for a drink sometime? 21:05:00 * Belugas lascively embrases Darkvater 21:05:16 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: sure 21:05:43 <Darkvater> Belugas: E_NOPARSE 21:05:50 <Prof_Frink> Climbing \o/ 21:06:11 * TrueBrain updates Darkvater's lexer 21:06:22 <Darkvater> E_WRONGVERSION 21:06:39 * TrueBrain updates Darkvater's parser 21:06:53 <Darkvater> BSOD 21:06:55 * Darkvater dies 21:07:15 <TrueBrain> glad we got that out of the way 21:07:16 <TrueBrain> :p 21:07:39 <Darkvater> wait... 21:07:41 <Darkvater> yes 21:07:46 <Darkvater> I think I zombiefied 21:07:57 <TrueBrain> I HATE ZOMBIE PROCESSES 21:08:01 <TrueBrain> KILL -9 1 21:08:05 <TrueBrain> that should fix it :p 21:08:15 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:08:27 <Rubidium> trying to kill the idle process? 21:08:37 <TrueBrain> no, the init process 21:08:42 <TrueBrain> should result in a restart ;) 21:08:44 * Darkvater mumbles someting unintelligble 21:09:11 * Rubidium writes something illegible 21:09:22 <Darkvater> but I'm not intelligent 21:09:39 * TrueBrain removes any and all traces of both Rubidium and Darkvater 21:09:42 <TrueBrain> too expensive words ... 21:09:59 * frosch123 shuts down 127.0.0.1 21:10:02 <frosch123> night :) 21:10:05 <TrueBrain> nighht frosch123 21:10:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590c3a13.pool.einsundeins.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:15 <el_en> important announcement to everyone: http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii161/sweetrescue/warning.gif 21:10:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: then http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8860158196198824415 is something for you 21:11:16 <TrueBrain> el_en: I like the latter two :p 21:11:43 *** ecke [~ecke@213.195.202.130] has joined #openttd 21:11:44 <Belugas> speaking of video... Darkvater, i THINK your video about the evolution of OpenTTD should not lay deep down buried in the forums infinite pages but on web site instead 21:11:53 <Eddi|zuHause> el_en: oooold! 21:12:14 <TrueBrain> Belugas: only if he updates it .. say .. weekly? :P 21:12:23 <Darkvater> I'm dead remember 21:12:52 * TrueBrain revives Darkvater 21:13:04 <Darkvater> interesting 21:13:13 *** BobbySixkiller [~dota.keys@ip-105.imafexbb.sk] has joined #openttd 21:13:21 *** Zeal [~Ping@78-69-54-150-no70.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 21:13:24 * TrueBrain starts Renegade 21:13:24 <Belugas> well... weekly.. trunk does not move that much 21:13:27 <Belugas> does it? 21:13:33 <TrueBrain> Belugas: twice a month? :p 21:13:37 <Belugas> or maybe... doing eras? 21:13:38 *** TinoDid [~projectjj@port432.ds1-od.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 21:13:40 <Darkvater> I'll update it over the weekend I think if I boot into linux 21:13:43 *** glx|away [glx@bny93-6-82-245-156-124.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx|away] by ChanServ 21:13:44 <Darkvater> now... thingie 21:13:52 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: can you automate it? 21:14:15 <Darkvater> rickH was cheating when he was syncing his branch...huge explosions periodically 21:14:17 <Belugas> random notes 21:14:23 *** smeding_ [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has joined #openttd 21:14:31 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: and my names weren't linked :( 21:14:35 <Darkvater> TrueBrain: most likely, I just have to see if it needs an active X-server or can write directly to file 21:14:55 <Darkvater> you mean TrueLight and TrueBrain? 21:14:58 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: we have X VMs running .. so maybe we can make a small VM which does it ;) 21:14:59 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: yes 21:15:05 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: anyway, then it can be updated automaticly ;) 21:15:07 <Darkvater> you are one? 21:15:12 <TrueBrain> we still are :p 21:15:13 <Darkvater> whoo 21:15:15 <TrueBrain> never realised? 21:15:18 <TrueBrain> poor Darkvater 21:15:22 <Roest> Rubidium interesting video 21:15:40 <Darkvater> I must ponder on this new revelation 21:15:47 <TrueBrain> Darkvater: good luck with that 21:15:50 <TrueBrain> don't hurt your brain 21:16:08 <Darkvater> :) 21:16:13 <Darkvater> good night all :) 21:16:17 <TrueBrain> night Darkvater 21:16:20 <TrueBrain> enjoy your sleep 21:16:44 <Darkvater> will do 21:16:49 <Darkvater> good night TrueLight 21:17:12 <Darkvater> for he who is two will rule the one 21:17:18 <TrueBrain> exactly :) 21:17:23 <TrueBrain> two makes it smarter ;) 21:17:34 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> solenoid.oftc.net quits: Progman, DephNet[Paul], @Rubidium, NukeBuster, murr4y, Vikthor, Prof_Frink, Mark, goodger, Fuco, (+11 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:17:40 * TrueBrain summons back the server 21:17:53 *** Netsplit over, joins: Prof_Frink 21:17:53 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 21:18:00 *** Netsplit over, joins: murr4y 21:18:00 *** kjetil [~kjetil@presenterer.formye.info] has joined #openttd 21:18:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: welterde, Mark 21:18:06 *** kjetil is now known as Forked 21:18:14 *** Netsplit over, joins: eQualizer, stillunknown 21:18:30 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 21:18:34 *** mode/#openttd [+o Rubidium] by ChanServ 21:18:34 *** Netsplit over, joins: Rubidium 21:18:44 <welshdragon> hehe 21:19:14 <Sacro> TrueBrain: impressive 21:19:19 <TrueBrain> I know :) 21:19:22 <TrueBrain> I am good in those things 21:19:31 <Sacro> are you sat with the cable in your hand? 21:19:36 <TrueBrain> ghehehe :) 21:19:41 * TrueBrain hacks some other server ... 21:19:44 <TrueBrain> oftc servers are boring 21:20:37 *** Mortomes [~mortomes@i15108.upc-i.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 21:20:39 *** NukeBuster [~wouter@80.101.115.82] has joined #openttd 21:21:34 *** DephNet[Paul] [~paul@host81-158-78-47.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:21:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B649.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:22:02 *** divo [~asd@0x3e42e6e6.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:13 *** KritiK [~Maxim@78-106-138-92.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:22:13 *** goodger [~ben@host81-152-233-2.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:22:17 <petern> pom te pom 21:22:20 <TrueBrain> lalala 21:22:26 *** Vikthor [~Vikthor@161-18-80-78.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz] has joined #openttd 21:22:49 <petern> POM TE POM 21:22:53 <TrueBrain> LA LA LA 21:23:08 <Belugas> POOOOOOOOOOOM 21:23:11 <Belugas> TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 21:23:13 <Belugas> POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM 21:23:21 * TrueBrain things Belugas should concentrate more on his work :p 21:23:40 <Belugas> does it show? I'm fucking exhausted 21:23:42 <Belugas> POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM 21:23:43 <StarLionIsaac> you know, little things like that are starting to convince me the ottd devs are undeniably crazy 21:23:44 <Chrill> Sacro, find brianetta for meee 21:23:59 * TrueBrain too ... and girls are annoying ... but okay ... now I am finally home, and watching a nice movie :) 21:24:01 <Sacro> Chrill: he's probably busy 21:24:04 <Belugas> StarLionIsaac, it's the price to pay to be a dev 21:24:11 <TrueBrain> StarLionIsaac: what gave us away? 21:24:29 *** Mortal [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:33 <Prof_Frink> lalalalalaoohoohoo 21:24:34 <StarLionIsaac> I think it was the randomness that seems to come from both of you... 21:24:50 <TrueBrain> both .. as in 3 people? 21:24:52 <Belugas> you'v got to be crazy 21:24:59 <Belugas> got to have a reeeel need 21:25:02 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Fertilizer. 21:25:08 <StarLionIsaac> heh, yep... even my girlfriend says I'm mad 21:25:17 <TrueBrain> you have a girlfriend? 21:25:17 <Chrill> Someone wanna play some OpenTTD 0.6.3? 21:25:23 <Belugas> a doolll! 21:25:32 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:33 <StarLionIsaac> indeed... she's away having dinner at the moment, so I'm waiting for her to get back 21:25:40 <StarLionIsaac> so I can leave the well of randomness here 21:25:41 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Yer mum. 21:25:55 <Belugas> CLOSE THE LAPTOP!!! Don't show her the madness that creeps in here 21:25:58 <TrueBrain> StarLionIsaac: you need your girlfriend for that?! 21:26:11 * Belugas points to Prof_Frink, when talking about madness... 21:26:12 <StarLionIsaac> she helps me keep the sanity I'm losing to OTTD 21:26:23 <StarLionIsaac> I think she's winning at the moment 21:26:27 <Belugas> don't let her meet my wife :P 21:26:38 <TrueBrain> LOL! 21:26:42 <TrueBrain> that isn't really nice ;) 21:26:44 * Prof_Frink points StarLionIsaac at the topic 21:26:49 <Prof_Frink> | No Sanity | 21:27:00 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: where? 21:27:01 <Sacro> let me see if i can locate my .vdi 21:27:09 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: ^ There 21:27:11 <StarLionIsaac> eh, nuts... in that case, I must temporarily misplace my sanity 21:27:15 <TrueBrain> Prof_Frink: I can't find it 21:27:24 <Prof_Frink> < Prof_Frink> | No Sanity | 21:27:30 <TrueBrain> that isn't a topic :( 21:27:45 <Prof_Frink> No. It's a KitKat. 21:27:52 <Belugas> and it's not tropic either... 21:27:56 <Belugas> it's coooold 21:27:57 <TrueBrain> hmm 21:27:58 <TrueBrain> tropic 21:27:59 <Belugas> tropics 21:28:05 <TrueBrain> in 9 days I am in the snow!!! :) :) :) :) 21:28:15 <Belugas> :( 21:28:22 <Belugas> NOW I'M BORED 21:28:25 * Prof_Frink wants snow 21:28:32 <TrueBrain> Belugas: me too 21:28:36 <Belugas> hehe 21:28:47 <Prof_Frink> Actually, I don't. I want nice sunny weather so's the cliffs are dry at the weekend. 21:29:11 <TrueBrain> hmm .. 21:29:12 <StarLionIsaac> gah, I can't decide... snow, or sun... to freeze or burn in the sun 21:29:14 <TrueBrain> dry cliffs .. 21:29:56 <Prof_Frink> TrueBrain: Else the Limestone gets a prepended "s". 21:30:07 <TrueBrain> ieuw 21:30:10 <TrueBrain> green and ugly :p 21:30:45 <Prof_Frink> Of course, if the route's *called* Greasy Chimney, you kinda know what to expect 21:31:01 <TrueBrain> haha 21:31:12 <StarLionIsaac> I'll bet it's not as greasy as some of the greasy places I used to have to clean 21:31:24 <TrueBrain> StarLionIsaac: please don't talk about your girlfriend like that 21:31:45 <StarLionIsaac> ooh, you're lucky I don't tell her bout that one, she'd tell me to hit ya back for it 21:31:54 <TrueBrain> and she shoot :) 21:32:30 <Sacro> right, found a windows 7, windows xp and debian 21:32:35 <Sacro> no ubuntu 21:32:39 <StarLionIsaac> she'f probably hit me for not doing anything about it actually 21:32:45 <TrueBrain> Sacro: a Windows 7 vdi? Interesting :) 21:32:50 <TrueBrain> let me know when you find a Mac OS X ;) 21:32:58 <TrueBrain> StarLionIsaac: and again: she should :) 21:33:04 <StarLionIsaac> debian things usualy work on my ubuntu 21:33:31 <StarLionIsaac> TrueBrain: She does - when I forget about something she asks me to 21:33:46 <Sacro> TrueBrain: have one of those too 21:33:50 <TrueBrain> and again ... she should :) 21:33:57 <TrueBrain> Sacro: really? .vdi? As VirtualBox? 21:34:04 <Sacro> i have OSX86 on my desktop 21:34:08 <Sacro> errm, think so, yeah 21:34:15 <TrueBrain> pipe it to me please ;) 21:34:34 <TrueBrain> we failed so far to start it .. hangs on startup (pre-startup even) 21:35:27 <Sacro> no :p 21:35:34 <TrueBrain> no what? 21:38:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:39:00 *** Mark_ [~M4rk@5351EC68.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it] 21:40:47 *** rebry [~rebry@205.80-202-209.nextgentel.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:41:39 <planetmaker> g'evening 21:42:36 *** StarLionIsaac [~isaac@user-514c0e82.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Gone for an insanity break] 21:46:49 * davis_ anyone able to recommend me a good mp3 players , 2-4gb , able to play back videos? 21:47:07 <TrueBrain> iTouch 21:47:20 <davis_> i should have added the no ipod part :P 21:47:32 * davis_ nothing from apple if possible. 21:47:40 <TrueBrain> Zune 21:48:18 <davis_> ye that was my first wish 21:48:21 <davis_> no shipping to germany 21:48:25 <davis_> / Europe 21:48:43 <Sacro> oh god, not zune 21:49:02 <Wolf01> 'night 21:49:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host114-234-dynamic.21-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:50:57 <davis_> (= 21:51:57 *** jpm [pekka@kone.suomen4g.fi] has joined #openttd 21:53:25 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 22:02:20 *** davis_ [~iloveme@p5B28CACC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.2 :: www.regroup-esports.com )] 22:05:37 *** kd5pbo|away [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:07:16 <fjb> 1⬠phone with windows mobile. :-) 22:07:52 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 22:09:13 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.188.174] has joined #openttd 22:15:42 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:18:30 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has joined #openttd 22:19:34 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.251] has quit [] 22:21:30 <el_en> 1⬠phone and almost zero monthly bills? 22:22:23 *** glx|away is now known as glx 22:22:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.181.195] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:06 <Eddi|zuHause> in which dream world? 22:24:21 *** smeding_ [smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:24:26 *** mortal` [~mortal@0x573a3da2.odnqu1-re1.dk.static.dsl.tele.dk] has quit [Quit: from __future__ import antigravity] 22:26:49 <fjb> No, usual monthly bill which I had to pay anyway. And the new phone was accidently able to play viedos. 22:29:00 <el_en> i guess you pay a lot per minute then. 22:31:51 *** Roest [~schurade@p54B9C40B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 22:31:59 *** lhrios [~luis@20158081248.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openttd 22:32:26 *** FauxFaux [faux@compsoc.sunion.warwick.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:03 <Ammler> Flatrate 22:34:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd totally buy a 1⬠phone with no monthly fee and flatrate :p 22:37:06 <Chrill> does desert towns need food or just water to expand? 22:37:13 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:37:30 <Eddi|zuHause> both 22:39:03 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has quit [] 22:41:24 <fjb> I'm paying about 10⬠monthly + about 0,15⬠per minute. 22:44:42 <TrueBrain> I can't find where to enable VT-X on my Dell Studio Hybrid :( 22:45:04 <TrueBrain> (why can it be disabled anyway .. :( ) 22:45:53 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.174] has joined #openttd 22:46:34 <fjb> What is VT-X? 22:47:11 <TrueBrain> AMD/V? 22:48:10 <petern> virtualization stuff 22:48:51 <TrueBrain> :) 22:49:33 <fjb> Hm, I would look at the BOIS configuration. Oh, you have a labtop? 22:49:53 <TrueBrain> no laptop 22:49:56 <TrueBrain> but it isn't in the bios :( 22:50:17 <petern> bios update? 22:50:37 <TrueBrain> checking now .. 22:50:43 <fjb> Then you lost... almost. Usually it gets disabled by the BIOS. I don't know if the OS can enable it. 22:51:10 <el_en> fjb: i'm paying 0,66⬠monthly + 0,07⬠per minute. 22:52:00 <Eddi|zuHause> in the land of nokia... 22:52:40 <el_en> but admittedly i paid 140⬠for my phone, instead of 1â¬. 22:53:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so, it needs 2 years to pay off... 22:53:55 *** stillunknown [~stillunkn@82-136-228-38.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:33 <TrueBrain> nice .. no changelog ... 22:55:45 *** Lakie [~Lakie@91.84.251.149] has joined #openttd 22:56:38 <fjb> So that is not that much different. I'm paying nothing at the moment because I didn't take a new phone when I renewed the contract last summer. 22:57:59 <fjb> Why documenting any changes? The customers should be glad to get something new without paying. 23:02:47 <thingwath> demanding customers... 23:04:34 <TrueBrain> in general I like to know WHAT I update before updating .. 23:04:39 <TrueBrain> but that might just be my paranoia 23:06:25 <fjb> In that case I wouldn't buy Dell. 23:06:56 <thingwath> generaly, it's much better attitude than 'I need to have the newest version available" :o) 23:07:37 <TrueBrain> I hate it when google stalls on me :( 23:08:47 <TrueBrain> lol, the bits of changelog I did find: 1.0.4: new CPU, new blabla. 1.0.6: initial release 23:08:50 <TrueBrain> euhm .. yeah .. :p 23:08:56 <TrueBrain> but nothing of 1.0.9 ... weird shit :p 23:09:53 <fjb> You impossibly have paranoia if you are still using google. 23:10:09 <TrueBrain> only for searching the web 23:10:13 <TrueBrain> and only with a limited view 23:10:21 <TrueBrain> but no, I don't use any of the google apps 23:11:29 <fjb> Even searching the web is not the best idea. 23:11:30 <thingwath> as if logs of your google searches were not enough to tell almost everything about you... 23:11:36 <TrueBrain> fjb: give me an alternative :) 23:11:46 <TrueBrain> thingwath: you would be supprised ;) 23:11:57 *** kd5pbo [~kd5pbo@136.242.109.174] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:23 <thingwath> I used that google search logging feature for a few months and I was genuinely scared, quite a lot. 23:12:38 <TrueBrain> you should :) 23:13:00 <thingwath> But yes, I use google search for absolutely everything. When I'm cold, I google for thermoregulator manual. 23:15:22 <TrueBrain> worst usage of google: using it as a spell checker ... 23:15:43 <thingwath> uhm... :o) 23:15:58 <fjb> TrueBrain: http://ixquick.com/ http://www.metager.de/ 23:16:31 <TrueBrain> I hate german : 23:16:32 <TrueBrain> p 23:16:46 <fjb> ixquick is also english 23:16:56 *** lhrios [~luis@20158081248.user.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:56 <TrueBrain> I meant the latter of course 23:17:34 <fjb> It's german, but it doesn't log anything. 23:17:45 <fjb> ixquick also doesn't. 23:17:57 <TrueBrain> I don't get ixquick 23:18:11 <TrueBrain> they say: we remove your private data withint 48 hours 23:18:16 <TrueBrain> but then I wonder ... why store it at all? 23:20:22 <fjb> Good question. It's new that they do not store your IP at all. Maybe they didn't change the text yet. 23:20:46 <TrueBrain> they did 23:20:53 <TrueBrain> but I have to say, impressive story they put up :) 23:22:41 <fjb> But they are right about the privacy. 23:23:20 <TrueBrain> bah .. the BIOS update tool doesn't work :p 23:23:40 <TrueBrain> ah .. now it does 23:23:40 <TrueBrain> brb 23:24:06 *** Brianetta [~brian@client-86-10-28-138.bmly.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #openttd 23:24:23 *** worldemar [~world@81.28.174.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:23 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:47 *** [com]buster [~Combuster@82-171-220-59.ip.telfort.nl] has joined #openttd 23:27:16 <TrueBrain> still nothing 23:27:16 <TrueBrain> bah 23:29:09 <fjb> Buy a new PC. 23:29:13 <TrueBrain> I did :p 23:29:28 <fjb> You bought a Dell. :-P 23:29:38 <TrueBrain> intel.com now tells me my CPU Doesn't exist ;) 23:30:09 <TrueBrain> ah .. out of the whole serie, this is the only CPU not supported VT-X ... 23:30:10 <TrueBrain> sucks 23:30:16 *** Dred_furst [~Dred@resnet508.bournemouth.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 23:30:19 <TrueBrain> (as when buying they said it did :p) 23:30:23 <TrueBrain> I WANT MY MONEY BACK NOW! :p 23:30:25 <Sacro> TrueBrain: really? 23:30:27 <Sacro> hehe 23:30:31 <TrueBrain> Sacro: really 23:30:33 <Sacro> well in the UK that'd be breach of advertising 23:30:41 <TrueBrain> it was a telephone conversation 23:30:43 <Sacro> you can't misinform the consumer 23:30:46 <TrueBrain> I asked him: does it support VT-X 23:30:48 <Sacro> yep, even that'd count 23:30:48 <TrueBrain> he said: yes 23:30:48 <Dred_furst> hey, is there a way to randomly generate a new map every time a dedicated server resets? 23:30:55 <Sacro> TrueBrain: in the UK you could return it because of that 23:30:58 <Sacro> it was missold 23:31:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B649.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:08 <TrueBrain> Sacro: I have to proof that fact ... doubt I can 23:31:15 <TrueBrain> and .. after 7 months .. it might be a bit weird ;) 23:31:20 <Chrill> rainforest towns in desert, need anything to grow? 23:31:23 <Chrill> just food? 23:31:33 <Sacro> TrueBrain: true, might just be easier to get a new chip 23:31:37 <Sacro> what model is yours exactly? 23:31:45 <TrueBrain> it is not a computer where you can put anything new in ;) 23:31:47 <TrueBrain> T5750 23:31:54 <fjb> Dell always uses the parts with the least number of features. 23:32:07 * Chrill coughs towards Sacro's general direction 23:32:08 <TrueBrain> nah, only when you ask for it 23:32:13 <TrueBrain> I asked for a very cheap computer 23:32:14 <TrueBrain> I got one ;) 23:32:21 <Sacro> Intel VT: supported by all models T5600 or higher (except T5750), and some T5500s. 23:32:31 <TrueBrain> Sacro: as I said :) 23:32:42 <Sacro> sigh, that sucks 23:32:59 <TrueBrain> AMD is a bit better in that 23:33:03 <TrueBrain> enabled by default, and on all new CPUs 23:33:52 <TrueBrain> night all 23:33:53 <Sacro> Yeah 23:33:55 <Sacro> night TrueBrain 23:35:21 <fjb> A friend of mine always buys Dell, middle to upper class models. And always he got a special kind of graphics card that only dell uses. Always a crippled version of the gpu and needs special drivers because of that. 23:35:35 <fjb> Night TrueBrain 23:36:33 <Prof_Frink> Liquid Metal: supported by all models T1000 or higher. 23:37:33 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.37.178] has joined #openttd 23:38:54 <fjb> :-) 23:49:40 <Dred_furst> when can I actually use the random command in a script 23:50:06 <Dred_furst> in SP it tells me I cant use it as its only available to networked servers, then on a server it says it cannot be set whilst the game is networked 23:51:25 *** RS-SM [~RSCN@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: RS-SM] 23:52:22 *** worldemar [~world@213.178.37.178] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:14 *** lolman [~lolman@adsl-87-102-80-68.karoo.KCOM.COM] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]